Hour 1: The Details of Alligator Alcatraz (feat. Congressman Maxwell Frost)

Summary

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Title: Hour 1: The Details of Alligator Alcatraz (feat. Congressman Maxwell Frost)
Release Date: July 15, 2025

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1. Introduction to Alligator Alcatraz and Congressman Maxwell Frost

In this episode, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve into a pressing social issue: the controversial migrant detention facility known as "Alligator Alcatraz" in Florida. Joining them is Congressman Maxwell Frost, who provides firsthand insights into the facility's conditions and the broader implications for immigrant rights and public resources.

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2. Congressman Frost’s Tour of Alligator Alcatraz

Congressman Frost recounts his two-hour tour of the detention facility, highlighting alarming conditions that starkly contrast with the facility's purported purpose.

• Overcrowded and Inhumane Conditions:
  "The cages hold 32 people per cage... And it's hot in there. These guys were sweating when they opened that door." (14:31)

• Lack of Adequate Facilities:
  "One of the top complaints... the toilets aren't working right now and one of them is backing up." (17:03)

• Restricted Access:
  "I was denied access to the medical unit... They said HIPAA, but I've been in many facilities where they've let me in." (19:55)

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3. Misallocation of Public Resources

Frost criticizes the use of state emergency funds for the detention facility, arguing that it diverts essential resources from critical services like hurricane management.

• Financial Misuse:
  "They're using up the money meant for hurricane response for this political stunt. It's a $450 million facility, probably more." (14:31)

• Private Security Over Public Law Enforcement:
  "I saw almost nothing but private security... We're paying for a ton of rent-a-cops to run the facility." (19:55)

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4. Legal Process and Impact on Immigrants

The conversation sheds light on the flawed legal processes and the detrimental effects on detainees, many of whom have not committed serious crimes.

• Detention Without Conviction:
  "These immigrants are being held in detention as they go through a legal process. It's not supposed to be a jail or a prison." (14:31)

• Pressure to Deport:
  "The conditions are so bad that immigrants get demoralized and sign deportation papers just to escape the facility." (28:25)

• Access to Legal Representation:
  "Detainees are not being allowed to use the law library. Lawyers can't properly connect with their clients." (27:00)

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5. Personal Stories and Broader Implications

Frost shares personal anecdotes and constituent stories to humanize the issue and underscore its severity.

• Personal Connection:
  "My mom came here as a refugee from Cuba. She'd be one of the people being scooped up had she come more recently or if she wasn't a US citizen." (29:08)

• Tragic Outcomes:
  "My friend Manuel Oliver... moved to Parkland, Florida, and he was murdered at Marjory Stoneman Douglas." (29:08)

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6. Response to DHS Statement

Frost directly addresses a statement from the Department of Homeland Security (DHS) claiming that ICE detention standards surpass most U.S. prisons, disputing its accuracy based on his observations.

• Debunking Official Claims:
  "The last part is not true. We've been given three to four emails for lawyers to schedule in-person visits... It's bullshit." (17:20)

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7. Plans for Further Action

Committed to effecting change, Frost outlines his strategies to address the issues at Alligator Alcatraz.

• Legislative Efforts:
  "I'm going to hit the floor this week to put this on the record. I'm also going to release an op-ed." (22:33)

• Unannounced Visits:
  "I am going to do an unannounced visit soon because what I saw was bad." (29:38)

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8. Call to Action and Public Involvement

Frost urges listeners to take tangible steps to support immigrant rights and hold authorities accountable.

• Get Involved:
  "If you're in Florida, get involved in one of these local immigrants justice groups. Donate to pro bono legal organizations." (22:59)

• Support Due Process:
  "You have to believe in due process for everybody. These people can't afford attorneys. Support legal funds." (22:59)

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9. Conclusion: The Urgency of Addressing Inhumane Detention

The episode concludes with a strong affirmation of the inhumanity of the detention practices at Alligator Alcatraz and a call for collective action to rectify these injustices.

• Moral Imperative:
  "Being patriotic is more than just like, bald eagle, flag and beer. It's about loving the people who live in this place." (29:38)

• Systemic Change Needed:
  "We live in the United States of America. We don't want the state running around scooping people up in unmarked vans." (29:38)

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Notable Quotes

• "The conditions are so bad that immigrants get demoralized and sign deportation papers just to escape the facility." – Maxwell Frost (28:25)
• "It's about loving the people who live in this place." – Maxwell Frost (29:38)
• "They keep saying, well, no, it's a good operation... But the conditions are so bad... I don't want an internment camp even if it's run well." – Maxwell Frost (17:20)

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Final Thoughts

This episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" brings to light the grim realities of Alligator Alcatraz through the eyes of Congressman Maxwell Frost. It underscores the urgent need for oversight, humane treatment of detainees, and the proper allocation of public resources. Listeners are encouraged to engage in advocacy and support legal efforts to ensure justice and due process for all individuals affected by these detention practices.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Maxwell Frost]

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[Stugotz]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Maxwell Frost]

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[Stugotz]

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[Maxwell Frost]

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[Maxwell Frost]

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[Greg Cody]

There is something that is sort of diabolically delightful about seeing Greg Cody with that particular mustache. And I've asked video to see if there's any public domain footage we can get of man in late early 1900s running away from railroad tracks in black and white. Movie because of how sinister the mustache looks, but also good. Everyone is telling Greg Cody that this look works for him, that he looks better and younger than he normally does.

[Maxwell Frost]

He does look good. I did say to him, because I saw it before the show, Dan, and I said, you look like a guy who would tie me up and leave me on the railroad.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, that is what he gives off. So if we can find any video like that and pair it against what it is that Greg Cody looks like, I'd like that. But to see come from under that mustache, the helpful tip as we head into this segment, he's like, hey, Dan, A lot of laughs coming up. Fun segment with Congressman Maxwell Frost coming up, huh? To have it come from that mustache. Because we're going to be talking about Alligator Alcatraz. And something that I probably think, it goes without saying that you would know in 2025 feels an awful like. Like something that doesn't feel terribly American to me.

[Maxwell Frost]

Big shocker. But I'm a huge fan of Maxwell Frost.

[Greg Cody]

You would? Yes. That is not surprising anybody. So we're going to talk to him though, because I do want people to understand the conditions down here. The Everglades are particularly cruel. It's the entire history of Florida makes it so. None of us should be living on this land. You guys are feeling it right now. Just because the air conditioning has gone down for a couple of days, you guys are crawling around on your knees without mosquito issues in here. And I feel like everyone is broken, physically broken by the heat in here. I feel like makeup is running all over the place. Everyone's having troubles. Do I have this wrong? Greg Cody's complaining, but he's also wearing a long sleeve shirt because he's having a bad arm.

[Maxwell Frost]

Well, he thought the AC was working. I mean, right? Yeah. You guys don't pay the electric bills. How does that work?

[Greg Cody]

It's not an electric bill thing. It is that when the summer gets really hot down here, the equipment is in some danger.

[Stugotz]

It's a common thing in the Northeast when it gets hot, just. They have blackouts. It's crazy.

[Maxwell Frost]

Yeah. Because I can change the air filter if you need me to. Like, I'm versed.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I know you're very. You're handyman. Yeah, established. Chris, I was asking at the beginning of the Sampson segment and we wandered off. There's some Francesca sound talking about Superman that I'm told is delightful. Now, Francesa does have a real podcast. It's not a fake. Fake podcast. I don't know the name of that podcast. Does anyone, anyone off the top of their head know the Mike Frances a podcast? I think it's miked up.

[Maxwell Frost]

Maybe. I don't know.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, good guess. A reasonable guess. I would have assumed that might have been taken, but I think Mike Ryan had mic'd up at some point.

[Stugotz]

I did have a Chelsea mic.

[Maxwell Frost]

I had a Miami mic'd up. Get this.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's called the Mike Francesa podcast.

[Maxwell Frost]

Oh, wow.

[Greg Cody]

So let's, let's listen to Mike Francesca here. He did not like Superman.

[Maxwell Frost]

Evidently there's a super dog who came up with a super dog. I mean, we all like dogs. Okay. And I don't like the dog getting beat on in the movie. It bothered me. But, hey, who came up with a dog with a cape? When did that arrive? I watched Superman for years on television. I never saw a dog with a cape.

[Greg Cody]

It's good coverage. He's right.

[Maxwell Frost]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

He's not wrong.

[Stugotz]

You nerds. Crypto was a big part of the comics.

[Maxwell Frost]

I mean, we all like dogs. Okay?

[Greg Cody]

He didn't want to get too far out there with the take, so he made sure that everyone understood, look, I'm on the side of dogs.

[Maxwell Frost]

You won't like dogs.

[Greg Cody]

I'm a pro dog. Pro dogs. Okay, but you don't need to be making them super. That could be just for a man. The super could be for a man. We don't need the dogs. Dolls will be super.

[Maxwell Frost]

And I didn't like the dog getting beat on in a movie. It bothered me. But, hey, who came up with a dog with a cape? When did that arrive?

[Greg Cody]

It's a good question.

[Maxwell Frost]

They had a meeting and they're like, get the dog a cape.

[Greg Cody]

Well, how are you going to convey that the dog is super dog if it doesn't have a cape? How are you going to. It needs to have a cape. Put it on the pole at Lebatar.

[Maxwell Frost]

The dog got beat up.

[Stugotz]

I mean, once the dog starts flying around, I think it's pretty well established that this is a super.

[Greg Cody]

It needs a cape. A bulldog without a cape flying around is ridiculous.

[Stugotz]

It's comic book accurate. And also credit to the filmmaker because it's hard to cover new ground with Superman. Right?

[Greg Cody]

You don't have a super dog if it's not wearing a cape.

[Maxwell Frost]

Put it on Superman. For years on television, I never saw a dog with a cape.

[Greg Cody]

Put it on the pole at Levittard show. Can your dog truly and indeed be super if it doesn't have a cape? Now, I have not heard before, you guys. This was something that actually took me aback. I found surprising to hear it. It's obviously not something we can entertain in any way, but I really appreciated that Pete Alonso had thought it all this far through. We have talked before about the undercurrent, and it's not even an undercurrent. The overt way in which hockey fighting is allowed because it's a bunch of white dudes, generally, that are fighting. And whenever it is that basketball players fight, next thing you know, everybody, all the rules have to be changed because those players mostly aren't white. To find ourselves. What are you smiling about, Chris Cody?

[Maxwell Frost]

I'm listening to you. Just the show. Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

You look like you were looking off into the distance dreamily on something.

[Stugotz]

Tell you what, all fights should be legal in all sports. If they have to fight on ice.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Maxwell Frost]

And with helmets, if they have to.

[Stugotz]

Try to find a leverage point in a fight on ice, I'm good.

[Greg Cody]

Okay. Understood that you're making this distinction. It's not about race, it's about the skates. Fine, no problem.

[Stugotz]

Oh, no. It's about race too. No doubt.

[Greg Cody]

But Pete Alonso, have you heard any of this?

[Maxwell Frost]

No.

[Greg Cody]

Pete Alonso, the polar bear, he is advocating for something that I had not heard anyone advocate for with this kind of specificity.

[Maxwell Frost]

He's asked, if you can change any MLB rule, what would you change? And this is what his answer was.

[Stugotz]

One rule I could change. So I don't think people should get ejected after charging mountain fighting. So I think it should be hockey style. So no. No teams, no nothing. Because that's when people can, like, seriously get hurt. So I think there's the rule. If you want to go out and.

[Greg Cody]

Char.

[Stugotz]

Then you should be able to. But if the pitcher or hitter or whoever charges, and if they don't want to fight, they take a knee, and then they don't have to fight. But if someone charges them out, it's 1v1 hockey style, and then that's it. I love that. That's inspired thinking. And the main reason that you hear about hockey being allowed to have fights when no one else has fights is these players are skating around, they're holding deadly weapons in their hand with these sticks. If you don't give them the fighting outlet, something really bad is going to happen. Well, a baseball is a projectile that can do some serious damage. You got guys with baseball bats in their hands, essentially clubs. I think you could apply the very same logic. And if it's in the state of Texas, you can clear it with police. As we learned yesterday, the Mariners can do this as well, and you can have a formal duel.

[Maxwell Frost]

The optics, though, of kneeling, who's going to take a knee? Who's the right? Yeah.

[Stugotz]

It's also going to lead to a very ugly incident where there is a dude taking a knee and a guy's got a full head of steam and he's full of rage and he's still got a clock.

[Maxwell Frost]

You're not allowed to take a knee on a field. We learned that a few years ago.

[Greg Cody]

The thing that Pete Alonso is saying there is, I love the narcissism in all of this, but I also love the caveman in it. Because I imagine it's really frustrating to Pete Alonzo that people are allowed to throw something at him at 100 miles an hour and he's got to go walk to first base or both dugouts, right? So wherever it is that his most outrageously stubborn and dumb male pride resides. Oh, you give me the right to change any rule in baseball. Here's the rule. I want to be able to tear off my shirt and then tear off the head of the person in front of me. And if he doesn't want to fight, get on a knee in front of everybody, in front of America to say that you're afraid of me. And under those circumstances, I can be king of the sport. It's such a great idea for him to have to take out all of his years of resentment because I imagine Stu guts. I don't know. I don't know. As you guys laugh at, why should this guy be in the All Star game because he throws 104 miles an hour. The idea of standing against against somebody who might hit me in the wrist or elbow with 104 mile an hour fastball, if I had to do that as a career for 20 years, I'd like to beat the holy hell out of every pitcher of the bat. Like if that was my life. If I went to bed before games at night knowing someone's coming inside at 99, I said, who's going to kneel? But if Peter Alonzo is running at you, probably a good idea to kneel. I don't know. I think that if he's going to say you have to be that publicly coward, then just run into the outfield. So maybe lay down. So now you're running away. So we avert the situation Mike's talking about, which is someone in submission getting ravaged anyway, then the teams can get involved authorities.

[Maxwell Frost]

You just lay down on the grass like you're taking in midday position.

[Stugotz]

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[Stugotz]

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[Maxwell Frost]

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[Greg Cody]

All right, so Greg Cody here prefaced this segment with a lot of laughs. Yes, there are not a lot of laughs here, but we've talked to Maxwell Frost before and to the degree that we could take some of the politics out of this, I don't know that we can. The congressman is joining us, Florida 10th District, and he's had a chance to take a look at least at the parts of Alligator Alcatraz. And so I don't know what is factual, what is inhumane. I know how all of this looks. I know how it's all purposely meant to look. What can you give us in the way of facts about what is happening in swampland when it looks optically from over here that this is just cruel stuff and human beings being used as propaganda pieces?

[Maxwell Frost]

That's exactly right, man. I mean, it's just cruel. And, you know, cruelty isn't just the point, it's the strategy in this. But let me I'm gonna just give you straight up facts about my visit and people can make their own determination, right? I walk in and I'm greeted by nothing but private security. Right now. This is a facility that they're saying is going to cost about $450 million. It's probably going to be a lot more. It's being run by the Florida Division of Emergency Management. These are the people that, you know, help us with our when we have hurricanes, help us prepare, help us respond. They're using pretty much all the the money, which is they can use up to $500 million without going to the legislature if there's a state of emergency. That whole thing is meant to be there if there's a hurricane so they can work quickly. That's all being used up now for this political stunt. And that's something everyone should recognize if you're A Floridian, especially. But so I walk in, you know, we go in, we're checking out the conditions. And, you know, I'll tell you, the worst part for me was when they opened that door to the tent that had all the cages in it. And people should know that these men are being held in cages. The cages hold 32 people per cage. And then there's three toilets in each cage. And it's one of those, you know, jail units where the spigot is connected to the, to the, to the toilet, essentially. It's like a hybrid with washing your hands and drinking water from it. And it's hot in there. I mean, these guys were sweating when they opened that door. These guys were yelling at me, hey, call my family. Here's my phone number. Some guy yelled, I'm an American citizen. We're looking into that. Right? I mean, when you do this stuff in the brazen way they're doing it, sometimes citizens get swept up into the whole mess. So we're looking into that as well. But the conditions are not good. They're abhorrent for a place that humans are being held in. And the thing people also have to realize is when you're an immigrant being held in detention, it doesn't mean you've been convicted of a crime, right? They're holding you in detention as you go through a legal process. And so it's not supposed to be a jail or a prison. It's supposed to just be a detention center. So these are very bad conditions. It's very hot out there. These are a bunch of tents in the middle of the Everglades. And the last thing I'll say on this too, is they were going to build an air full airport on this location years ago. Then the event, they abandoned the idea. Why? Because the conditions are so poor out there in terms of weather that they couldn't build an airport there. And now they're housing. They want to house up to 4,000 people there. So I think it's completely ridiculous.

[Greg Cody]

What is your response to the DHS written statement on X Tuesday? Quote, ICE has higher detention standards than most U.S. prisons that hold actual U.S. citizens. All detainees are provided with proper meals, medical treatment, and have opportunities to communicate with lawyers and their family members.

[Maxwell Frost]

The last part is not true. And I know this because I have many constituents in there, and I speak with the lawyers. My team checks in with the lawyers on a daily basis. In fact, we've been given three to four emails for the lawyers to hit up so they can schedule in person. Visits with their client. And so that's just not true. You can talk to any lawyer in Florida doing this work. And they're very frustrated. They haven't been able to really connect with the person that they're representing. The other thing I'll tell you is, look, I mean, before Congress, I was community activists. I've been arrested, I went to jail. And I'll tell you, the jail I went to. Two people, one cell, one bathroom in the cell, okay? These are 32 men with only three toilets in a cage in the hot Florida sun, Right? And what I'll tell you is this. They keep saying, well, no, it's a good operation. I'm not debating the operation. It's run by the Florida Division of Emergency Management. We have one of the best emergency management divisions in the nation. The operation is great, but at the end of the day, a cage is a cage, Right? The conditions are the conditions. And so I'm not here to debate whether it's not being run well. I don't want an internment camp even if it's run well. Right. And so that's my opinion on it. And I think everyone, no matter what your politics are, you should be frustrated that they're using the department that helps us during hurricane season. And we're supposed to. And I'm knocking on wood, but we're supposed to have a tough hurricane season. Like, we've had the last five. And so, you know, in these times when you have these storms, every minute matters. And the fact that they're going to have to go back to the legislature and ask for more money if there's a hurricane, just shows the priorities are out of whack. And it's a stunt, but it's a stunt with real human consequence. I mean, I got to tell you, from a human perspective, looking at those cages, I mean, I saw myself in there, right? Like, I saw people who looked exactly like me. I'm Afro Cuban. I'm the first Afro Cuban in Congress. Like, I was looking at myself in those cages. And as I walked out of the. The facility, I told myself, I'm gonna be one of the only people that looks like me that can walk in this place and walk out on my own accord. And I just gotta tell you, as a human, like, my heart sunk. And not everyone in here isn't a violent criminal. We saw with the Miami Herald, posted all the data. You got 250 people in there who've never done a crime, who've never been charged with the crime, and then you got a Bunch of people in there. The crime is like they got pulled over for a speeding ticket or something. Come on.

[Greg Cody]

How long was your tour? Were you denied access to any requested areas?

[Maxwell Frost]

The tour was about two hours. Yes, I was denied access to a couple areas. And so people know, it is in the law, it's in federal law, right, that members of Congress have to be let into detention facilities and we have to be able to conduct our oversight and as part of our job is to go in and make sure things are being run correctly, that conditions are good, all of this. So we had a two hour tour. But there were two things I couldn't see that are really important when you do these tours. One was the medical unit. That's one of the most important things. We need to be able to go in there, speak directly with doctors, understand, you know, I have a lot of questions about mental health. If someone has a mental health crisis, what happens? Do they have a segregation unit or are they put with everybody else? Nobody can answer these questions for me. And they wouldn't even let me in the medical unit. They said hipaa, they, they said, we can't let you in because of hipaa. That's bullshit. I've been in many facilities before where they've let me in the medical unit. Now I can't sit down in an appointment and listen in, but I can walk through the unit and ensure that things are up to par. So they didn't let me into the medical unit. They also didn't let me. I could see the cages from the door, but they didn't let me walk in. And the reason I wanted to walk in is because one of the top complaints we're getting are the toilets. We have a bunch of guys who have called their lawyers and called their family late at night on the phone and said, hey, I just want to let you know that two of the three toilets aren't working right now and one of them is backing up and there's like, you know, stuff is being sprayed or, you know, coming out of the toilet essentially. And reportedly it was hours till it was cleaned up. So I wanted to see the toilets as they were, but they said, we can't let you in there. They'll throw feet, they'll throw poop at you is what they said. So, you know, just all these excuses for not letting us go in and check things out. One point I want to bring up that I didn't, I didn't see a lot of law enforcement in this facility. What I mean to say is I saw Almost nothing but private security. Which means part of the reason the price tag is so high is we're essentially paying for a ton of rent a cops to run the facility. This is supposed to be a federal detention facility, and so people should be concerned about that. People are making big money from this thing as well. When I came in on the airstrip, two private jets for the companies, for the contractors that are there, two private jets on there, probably hire, you know, the CEO or a higher executive being there. So it's just like everything else. Another instance of, like, our tax money being siphoned off to big corporations. To make this stunt possible, the president toured the facility.

[Stugotz]

And I guess with everything going on in the nation, there are a lot of misconceptions that this is a federal facility. However, just hours after the administration kind of distanced itself from alligator Alcatraz, after the photo ops, and put it all on the state. So here on the state level, what can Floridians do about this to voice their anger? We've seen plenty of protests. Is there anything, any additional pressure that we can apply to local and state leaders?

[Maxwell Frost]

Yeah, the whole hot potato with the state federal thing is. Is insane. And the reason they're doing it, number one, there's a lawsuit happening right now. A bunch of the environmentalist groups are suing the state. And you know what the state said? They said the federal government has no involvement in this. Why? Because it hurts the lawsuit, and that lawsuit could shut this thing down. I went in there, and you know what Kevin Guthrie told me who's running the whole damn thing? He said, ICE is calling all the shots. So he's telling me directly that the federal government's calling the shots. I'm going to hit the floor this week to put this on the record. I'm also going to release an op ed talking about this as well, and do as much as I can to get out these specific quotes, and hopefully it'll help not just a lawsuit, but, you know, everything going on. But I would say, of course the protests are always important, but honestly, people, especially if you're in Florida, get involved in one of these local immigrants justice groups. If you have some cash that you can donate to a pro bono legal organization that's doing immigrant law. They need resources. There's not enough resources to go around. And a lot of these immigrants. Look, whatever your belief is in politics, you have to believe in due process for everybody. And we live in a country where the amount of money you have is directly correlated to whether or not you're gonna get off or not? Because you're able to afford an expensive attorney. These people can't afford attorneys. Expensive. Even expensive ones. Right. And so if you can donate some money to some of the legal funds and these are just lawyers working a pro bono way to represent a lot of these immigrants who again most of whom have not committed a crime and most of them who have been in this country for over a decade like these are our neighbors, these are people living in our communities. We don't wanna see them treated this way and snatched up by mass people. I mean it's wild to me that this is even a debate. We live in the United States of America. Like we don't want the state running around scooping people up in unmarked vans. I mean I don't care what your political persuasion is. You gotta be against that. Cuz even if you don't care about these folks, which you should, but even if you don't, I promise you it's them today, it's you tomorrow. I mean and I'm not being hyperbolic, we've seen US citizens caught up in this whole mess. Ryan Reynolds here from Mint Mobile.

[Greg Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Stugotz]

You underscored the need for access for immigration attorneys. I know Laura Kelly from the Miami Dade Democratic Party is an immigration attorney herself Volunteering a lot of time fighting this fight with the TPS expiration or executive order presently. What is access to immigration attorneys for people that are detained? Can they make phone calls. What is that process like for someone that's detained, for someone who is screaming at you, hey, I'm a US Citizen.

[Maxwell Frost]

Yeah. So what? The way it's supposed to work is these, these immigrant detention facilities are supposed to have what's called a law library. The law. It sounds fancy. What it really is is it's a phone in a place that's not being surveilled in terms of audio, so you can speak with your lawyer privately through the phone. Right. And this facility, the Everglades, did have a law library. But what we've heard is the detainees are not being allowed to use. Use it. And so a lot of the lawyers are telling me, well, I'll randomly get a call from the person I'm representing, but it's at like 3am when they turn on the general phones for like, you know, your phone call to call your family. And it's. And the way this works is you. Those phones are supposed to be used to talk with your family. The law library phones are supposed to be used to talk with your lawyer. Right. And so. But what we're finding is they're having to use those other phones to talk with the lawyers. The lawyers are having trouble getting in contact with a facility to set up in person visits. But there is a process here because again, deportation is a legal process. When someone is being detained, they're really supposed to only be detained if they're considered a risk to society. They've committed a violent crime, but they're detaining people who have done no crimes, who their crime is like a traffic stop, or maybe they had the wrong license plate and stuff like that. And that's part of why the cost tag is going up so much. But there is a.

[Greg Cody]

This is.

[Maxwell Frost]

This whole thing is supposed to be a legal process, and that's why. And again, I'm not trying to be super hyperbolic. I'm just calling it like I see it. What we're seeing now isn't even deportation, because deportation can take a week to a year to battle out. Right? It's a process. This is really. They're kidnapping people and then they're trafficking them. The other state, other nations, they don't even have to be from that nation. And so I'm just really concerned. I mean, you know, I'm a Floridian. My mom came here as a refugee from Cuba. She'd be one of the people being scooped up had she come more recently or if she wasn't a US citizen. So it's very concerning he's representing the.

[Greg Cody]

People of his hometown in Orlando and central Florida. He's joining us two days after filing a lawsuit against DeSantis for being unlawfully denied entry to inspect conditions of the migrant detention facility that is now being known as Alligator Alcatraz. Last notes. And you said your mother is Cuban American. The most appalling of the things that you're feeling are not what this country has ever supposedly been about, are blank.

[Maxwell Frost]

Say it again.

[Greg Cody]

For me, the most appalling, un American, sort of. How are we even talking about this? How are we even discussing an argument about internment camps and treating human beings this way, randomly? Like, how is it. How is this a conversation in 2025?

[Stugotz]

Could be that part.

[Maxwell Frost]

Yeah. I mean, for me, it's that part I don't. I don't like. And, you know, I think about. This is so politicized, it's so partizan in the national sense. But I'm telling you, like, on the ground, I go and speak with people and I speak with people who are. They say they're conservative, they're progressive all around. People are starting to wake up to the fact that this isn't right. And that's why Trump's numbers on immigration have tanked. Right? I mean, this was a big issue for him in the election. And so it just. People don't like this cruelty at this level. And I just, again, yeah, I mean, my mom, she talks about, like, this is the stuff I saw in Cuba. Sorry, that's my voting alarm going off. We can't turn it off or down.

[Greg Cody]

People love to vote.

[Maxwell Frost]

Yeah, people love to vote, but this is the stuff that she fled, right? And now it's here. And. And I hear this from so many people. My friend Manuel Oliver, his family lived in Venezuela. They left Venezuela to keep their son safe. They came to Florida. They went online and looked up the safest community they could live in to keep their son safe. And it said Parkland, Florida. They moved to Parkland, Florida, and he was murdered at Marjory Stillman Douglas. His name is Joaquin Oliver. I hear these stories so much of people who have come to this country for the opportunity and greatness we have. And we are a great country, but there are things we have to fix. And if you love something, when there's a problem, you call it out and you do everything you can to fix it. You know, being patriotic is more than just like, bald eagle, flag and beer, Right? It's about loving the people who live in this place. And they're treating our people in Just inhumane ways at these internment camps. I can't even believe it's a debate, but I do think, I think the pendulum is swinging. I think people are waking up to it. From the very name Alligator Alcatraz to the terrible optics of crowded chain link fence jail cells, this is aggressively inhumane. Do you believe it's. Why is it intentionally inhumane? Why are they doing it in this way? Yeah, the reason why is it's not part, it's not just the point. Right. It's the strategy. And this isn't even just for this facility, but it's for a lot of these ICE detention facilities. I visited one called Baker and the conditions were horrible at the time. I wrote to President Biden and I told him, you need to close this place down. The conditions are horrible, but what they do is the conditions are so bad that these immigrants who are fighting a legal process that can take like a year, they get to the point where they go, I can't be here another month. I'm gonna sign the deportation paper. I'm done fighting it. Send me wherever. And it's to demoralize them. I spoke with two Haitian men a year and a half ago in Baker and they told me, congressman, I've been fighting this for eight months, nine months tomorrow I'm signing the paper. Cuz I rather fight for my life and live on the streets of Haiti than be in this institute, in this facility another month. And that's a big part of it is it's just such horrible conditions. I mean, you're literally in prison and depending where you're at, if not worse. And at the same time, you're in this grueling legal battle and the whole purpose is for you to go, screw it, send me wherever. And it's just, it's, it's, it's horrible and it's sad. And also one thing, the lawsuit is the state legislators that went a couple weeks ago, they were denied entry. And you know, my good friend Rep. Honest Kamani and Carlos Gable, Seth Chevron Jones, there's Michelle Rayner, those are the ones involved in that. I'm not on that lawsuit because I wasn't there. But my visit was this past week and we, we were able to get in. But I am going to do an unannounced visit soon because what I saw was bad, man. But they had three days notice, right? Like, you know, and when they have noticed, they will make things cleaner. I mean, I heard from a family that spoke with someone that's there that magically the Day before we got there, he got his first shower. Oh, and the day before we got there, he got, like, one of the first good meals. And so I'm gonna be coming back unannounced. And that's really the only way to do these visits, because you see things for how they are, and it's in the law. I can show up at a time and place of my choosing, and I will do that.

[Greg Cody]

Join us after that, please. Thank you for the work that you're doing. And the cruel is not the accident. The cruel is the point. Thank you, Congressman. We appreciate it.

[Maxwell Frost]

Thank you. Thank you, guys.

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