Hour 1: The Dexter Pittman Game (feat. Rory Hoochiemara)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 1: The Dexter Pittman Game (feat. Rory Hoochiemara)
Date: April 13, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the regular ensemble dive into a typical, rollicking mix of NBA drama, South Florida sports nostalgia, the oddity of modern basketball, Miami Heat history, LeBron James's latest playoff quest, Miami's evolving culture, and the spectacle/politics of UFC. The episode is seasoned with playful bickering, running jokes about name mispronunciations, and the show's signature irreverence.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Doc Rivers' Strange Tenure & Basketball's Weirdness

Timestamps: 00:43–06:54

• Doc Rivers’ Firing After Hall of Fame Induction
  • Dan highlights the oddity: “Guy gets inducted into the Hall of Fame, then gets fired like weeks later... I haven’t seen this before.” (00:43)
  • Stugotz: “Every fan base of the teams that he coached couldn’t wait for their team to get rid of him.” (01:52)
  • Juju insists Doc did bring a “championship” to Milwaukee, referring to the NBA in-season tournament, sparking panel mockery.
  • Dan: “He overachieved in Orlando, but... his entire career has been about telling everybody about him being a champion with Boston.” (04:31–05:50)
• NBA Parity & Playoff Chaos
  • Dan notes the record margins, math distortion from the three-pointer, and the odd landscape of teams not trying to win. (00:43)
  • The Bucks firing Doc while paying him an 8-figure salary to sit at home stuns the team.

2. LeBron James & The Lakers: An Epic Playoff Test?

Timestamps: 02:39–09:12

• Oldest Player, True Contender?
  • Dan marvels: “I can’t believe the oldest player in the league is going into a playoff series where he’s got home court advantage. And it’s all required of him again.” (02:39)
  • Mike Ryan: “If LeBron wins that series... it is the biggest achievement of his career.” (08:12)
• Roster Woes and the ‘Rui Hoochiemara’ Bit
  • LeBron forced to lean on inconsistent role players as injuries mount, leading to running jokes about correctly pronouncing Rui Hachimura.
  • Stugotz: “Rui Hoochie Mara” (08:58), drawing laughs and setting up a theme.

3. Name Game, Mispronunciations & ‘Sui’ Nominations

Timestamps: 15:12–25:33

• Dexter Pittman Game & Heat History
  • Memories of the Miami Heat’s desperate solutions at center, with Dexter Pittman’s infamous 3-minute playoff start vs. Indiana.
  • Dan reminisces about the era: “All of Miami was scared of the Indiana Pacers...” (15:47)
• Running Gags with Mispronunciations
  • A whole segment is dedicated to botched NBA names—Rui Hachimura as “Hoochiemara”, Mikel Gladness, Jarvis Varnado—with the group riffing on who can butcher a name worst.
  • Zaz: “Mikel gladness and Ruri Huchimara” (20:11)
• The Sui Category for ‘Mispronuncifications’
  • Dan: “This can be a sui category of mispronuncifications.” (20:11)

4. The Art of the Awkward Question: ‘Did Winning Feel Better Than Losing?’

Timestamps: 22:05–25:16

• Stugotz’s infamous, poorly worded interview with FAU’s Dusty May is dissected and teased.
  • Actual question: “Coach, did the winning feel better than losing in the Final Four with FAU?” (23:49)
  • Jeremy: “I will say the words are probably the biggest part of asking a question.” (24:17)
  • The crew jokes about putting that on a poll and debate what he was really trying to ask.

5. UFC in Miami: Modern Spectacle and Discomfort

Timestamps: 25:33–41:18

• Dan’s Evolving Relationship with UFC
  • Expresses sadness at UFC’s politicization and ties to Trump:
    “It’s become a propaganda arm for, like, some... It hurts to watch something that I love, that’s contaminated on every side...” (31:40)
• Live Event Vibes: Trump at Cage-Side
  • Stugotz and Zaz share their jarring experiences with Donald Trump’s adoration at Miami UFC events and fighters running up to him post-fight.
    • Stugotz: “I found it jarring... that someone is allowed to jump over the cage and just run up on the President...” (33:01)
  • Dan draws historical parallels: “This is what the Cuban government did with their sports teams...” (34:00)
• Watching Fights Live: Human Cost and Barbarism
  • Stugotz: “I felt bad a few times... not liking it when a guy was getting beat up... it made me uncomfortable.” (37:20)

6. Miami, Freedom Tower, and the Looming Trump Casino

Timestamps: 40:14–41:13

• Mike Ryan and Dan discuss plans for a Trump hotel/casino near Miami’s Freedom Tower, mixing nostalgia for their immigrant roots with comic resignation about Miami’s evolution.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Doc Rivers’ Legacy & NBA TV Power
  • Dan: “Television is powerful. J.J. Redick got the Lakers job. Stephen A. Smith is considering a run for president.” (04:29)
• On the Heat’s Ancient Centers
  • Dan: “It was Joel Anthony who had frying pans for hands.” (10:25)
  • Mike Ryan: “It was Eric Dampier who played in flip flops.” (10:38)
• On the Lakers’ Playoff Odds
  • Mike Ryan: “If LeBron wins that series... it is the biggest achievement of his career.” (08:12)
• On Sports Memory & Five-Hour Nights
  • Dan: “Wherever it is that your best sports memories reside, those were five hour nights. They were not three hour nights.” (38:34)
• On Political Overlap in Sports
  • Dan: “To see those three people, Rogan, Dana White, and Donald Trump, turn this into something... is a cartoon caricature form of idiocracy...” (31:29)
• On Question Formulation:
  • Stugotz: “Coach, did the winning feel better than losing in the Final Four with FAU?” (23:49)
  • Jeremy: “I will say the words are probably the biggest part of asking a question.” (24:17)

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Key Timestamps for Important Segments

• Doc Rivers/Hall of Fame Firing & NBA Landscape: 00:43–06:54
• LeBron’s Playoff Prospects & Lakers Roster Jokes: 02:39–09:12
• Miami Heat Center Nostalgia & Name Gags: 10:15–25:33
• Awkward Questions & Polls on Words: 22:05–25:16
• UFC in Miami, Politics, & Fan Culture: 25:33–41:18
• Miami, Freedom Tower, & Casino Futurism: 40:14–41:13

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Overall Tone and Flow

The episode keeps its trademark blend of curiosity, sarcasm, nostalgia, and Miami-centric references, all peppered with affectionately cutting humor. The crew bounces from sharp basketball analysis to personal, often self-deprecating anecdotes—never missing an opportunity to riff on each other’s slips, the changing sports landscape, or the absurdity of contemporary Miami.

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For Listeners Who Missed It

If you skipped this hour, you missed a masterclass in chaotically blending NBA news, Heat lore, jokes about mispronunciations, playfulness about poorly worded questions, and pointed, sometimes melancholy observations about Miami culture and the growing overlap of sports with modern political spectacle. The laughs are big, the inside jokes loud, and the cultural observations sharper than ever.

Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugats]

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[Dan LeBatard]

There are a number of different things that I'd like to get to that I find interesting about basketball as we approach the most exciting time. But a really weird season. Weird for a couple of different reasons. The average margin of victory was 13 and a half points. So some of that math distortion that has come to baseball, to baseball, the three pointer has distorted things. And also the distortion of you've got 20 teams that are good and 10 that don't care about being good or whatever it is and you end up in a situation where they're expanding. And also one of the bad teams had Giannis on it. One of the bad teams just fired. I haven't seen this before. Maybe you have. Guy gets inducted into the hall of Fame, then gets fired like weeks later. Like has that happened a lot? You guys got a lot of memories of. Guy gets into hall of Fame and then two weeks later the Bucks say Doc Rivers is about to make. He was about to make more than $10 million. He's going to make more than $10 million next year to not coach for the Milwaukee Bucks. Right. His is an 8 figure salary, not a 7 figure salary.

[Stugats]

I mean, look, I'm with you on him being fired. It's going to wind up being called. He stepped away, you know, I think he was very clearly going to get fired. But you're right about the hall of Fame part. Like he was just named the hall of Fame inductee for this year was a couple of weeks ago. I just, I don't get the Doc Rivers thing. I really don't like if, even if you don't count Milwaukee, who would have fired him? He's been fired three other times in his career. He was about to be fired in Boston too, before that Kevin Garnett trade. And. And the thing that gets me the most is ever Since Boston. So we're talking about Milwaukee, Philadelphia, Los Angeles and even Boston before they hired Kevin Garnett. Every fan base of the teams that he coached couldn't wait for their team to get rid of him. I don't understand how he's all.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think, I don't think Orlando. I don't think that's accurate for Orlando. Not Orlando, but when you say so he'. And 103 in Milwaukee. And look, I want to talk some about the Masters, but just let. And, and LeBron's first round is super interesting as well. Just because I can't believe the oldest player in the league is going into a playoff series where he's got a home court advantage. And it's all required of him again,

[Mike Ryan]

like, because the other. The younger guys broke down like, so

[Zaz]

now look at Jared Vanderbilt like, buddy, I need help.

[Mike Ryan]

But it's crazy. He's looking at Luke Canard. He's like, really? So it's okay. All right, here, here.

[Dan LeBatard]

Huh?

[Mike Ryan]

All right, here, Go.

[Dan LeBatard]

But, but Doc, I want to examine for a second what has happened with Doc Rivers. When a basketball expert says to you. I don't get it. And he's going in the hall of Fame. So, so there's a, there's a gulf there.

[Juju]

But he did bring a championship to Milwaukee and he.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no.

[Juju]

Yes, he did. Yes, he did. He brought a championship to Milwaukee.

[Stugats]

Are you doing. Is this like in season tournament?

[Juju]

That. Yeah, a championship. NBA in season.

[Zaz]

The Emirates Cup.

[Juju]

He brought a title to Milwaukee.

[Dan LeBatard]

Zaz is smiling at you as if he's cringing at the joke you're making.

[Juju]

It's a trophy.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a fake smile.

[Stugats]

That's a made up thing.

[Juju]

It's a. It's something that every team competes for in the league and everybody was going for it. And honestly, the Lillard thing wasn't that big of a failure.

[Stugats]

They were 31 and 13 before he took over.

[Juju]

Champions forever.

[Dan LeBatard]

I want to go back for a second and look at the entirety of it. So Doc Rivers, man, television's powerful, okay? Like there are any number of broadcasters who parliaming. J.J. redick got the Lakers job.

[Juju]

Stephen Hayesmith is considering a run for president.

[Dan LeBatard]

Television is powerful. Doc Rivers overachieved in Orlando and it was the last time he overachieved and got a television job. And he charms the hell out of everybody. Everybody likes Doc Rivers, even though many people think he's also a phony because he's learned to do all of that in the name of he Gets great jobs. Like, great jobs, not good jobs. Great jobs.

[Juju]

Look at the job he got. You said the record of. Was it Budenholzer that they let go or was it Adrian Griffin?

[Stugats]

He was an advisor for Milwaukee and then he advised them to hire him.

[Dan LeBatard]

But he's got epic failure on his resume with the Clippers. Like, this is a complicated legacy. It's interesting. He's got. He had the best Clippers teams that there have been, the most successful ones. And so that was viewed as overachieving. But then in those series with Chris Paul, he has a series of Game 7 blights that are on no other coach's resume.

[Zaz]

Well, I mean, you have to give him credit for getting those teams. The Clippers franchise was nothing. Was literally a nothing. And he built this team in the front office, helped build this team into the Lob City threat and all that stuff. That was super fun in the early two, you know, 20 teens. And yeah, he lost, but, like, what do you want him to do?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, but he won a championship in Boston or resurrected the franchise, even though he did it with those three players that were clearly the three best to have in a league. So much so that LeBron decided he was going to form his own three because he couldn't get past those three.

[Stugats]

He won 20 something games in 2007 with Boston. He was about to be fired. And then they traded for Kevin Garnett. And his entire career has been telling everybody about him being a champion with Boston.

[Dan LeBatard]

They're paying him though. Milwaukee, it is. I'm pretty sure It's. It's a $10 million plus salary that they're paying him to not work next year.

[Stugats]

Well, I mean, if. If it is technically him stepping away, they're not going to pay him anything, you know, like.

[Zaz]

Well, I think that's why he didn't, quote, unquote, retire, because then they're off the hook for paying him.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no, guys, guys, guys, no, he's.

[Dusty May]

He.

[Dan LeBatard]

He'll consult. He'll do something. He's going to get that money they're going to have. He's not taking a pay cut. He's not leaving that job. What are you talking about?

[Mike Ryan]

Like, he's not. He's not leaving that job willingly because

[Dan LeBatard]

he just decided, I don't want my $10 million salary.

[Stugats]

Instead, he wants hang out with grandkids,

[Dan LeBatard]

but sub 500 with Giannis. Sub 500 with Giannis and a championship.

[Juju]

Hard to pull that off.

[Dan LeBatard]

Seems impossible.

[Stugats]

Yo, stop saying that, man.

[Juju]

Stop ignoring it.

[Dan LeBatard]

The grin you were giving him Were you? It seemed disbelief was hiding behind a fake. A fake. Mike, are you really making this joke again and again?

[Stugats]

I think it's the first time anyone has ever referenced the in season tournament Emirates cup championship as as part of their resume.

[Dan LeBatard]

The Knicks will always have that for Anunoby. Like that's. The Knicks will always remember. That's an all time memory for the Knicks franchise.

[Juju]

Honestly, when you look back at LeBron's time with the Lakers, it should be noted he's won two championships there because

[Stugats]

that wasn't a bubble championship too, right?

[Juju]

So a lot of people were like, well this one doesn't count. And then you know what the King did? Showed him in front of a full house. I can beat the Pacers. Are you guys not in a single elimination?

[Mike Ryan]

Are you guys not interested in LeBron just playing in the first round with a Lakers team where young guys have broken down like it is funny to

[Dan LeBatard]

think that Rich Paul was saying during

[Mike Ryan]

the season the Lakers are not a,

[Dan LeBatard]

they're not a championship contender.

[Mike Ryan]

And now the only way they get to be a championship contender is if the oldest player in the league drags

[Dan LeBatard]

them out of the first round with

[Mike Ryan]

a tough young defense like this.

[Zaz]

Thompson on the other side, swarming defense

[Mike Ryan]

on the other side. And he's more limited than he has been in the half court. If he wins that series, if he wins that.

[Zaz]

That's why I'm saying it's an all timer possibly in the Western Conference because LeBron does it with no Luka, no Austin Reeves.

[Mike Ryan]

If what I'm telling you, I'll say this flatly. If LeBron wins that series is the home court favorite in the higher seat. It is the biggest achievement of his career.

[Juju]

Well, what if he keeps marching through the playoffs? So then he ties Jordan.

[Mike Ryan]

No, to do it by himself.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, not to do it.

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's doing the Chris Bosh. He's doing the. He's doing the role of Kevin Love.

[Mike Ryan]

Now he's the third player and they've actually started to play well. But he's lost both his two young guys. The oldest player in the league winning a first round playoff series against that

[Dan LeBatard]

Houston defense and against KD too.

[Juju]

Like trying to bring a third title to Los Angeles.

[Mike Ryan]

But where's the help?

[Zaz]

Jared Vanderbilt and Ruri Uchimara.

[Stugats]

That's not right.

[Mike Ryan]

Canard. That is right. That's what the hand is right. What do you mean it's not right?

[Stugats]

Rui Hoochie Mara,

[Zaz]

would you call him?

[Mike Ryan]

I thought you were saying that those weren't his Teammates. I didn't realize you were, you were coming out.

[Dan LeBatard]

Rui Hachimura, deandre Ayton last heard JJ

[Mike Ryan]

Redick just said flatly he's having trouble catching the ball.

[Zaz]

Go ahead.

[Mike Ryan]

That was, that was. But that was what J.J. redick's assessment was of Deandre Ayton. It was just the sentence of. Here it. Let's hear it. You just. It's crazy to think that you're hearing about. You're hearing this about a number one overall pick.

[Juju]

You're gonna ask DeAndre to do some different things.

[Stugats]

How. What, what are those things and how do you think he's.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, you know, he's had trouble catching the ball. So we've ran a bunch of plays for him. He's just had trouble catching the ball. And you know, I don't know if that's the passing or if it's, you know, him trying to get position. He just, he hasn't been able to catch the ball

[Mike Ryan]

three times. Three. Three times. He's having trouble catching the ball. This is what you would T baller.

[Stugats]

You would say it to someone playing in YMCA or like with tiny hands,

[Zaz]

like, yeah, it's hard to catch the ball. I've got tiny.

[Mike Ryan]

No, a toddler. A Todd. You would say this if you were watching T ballers. My third baseman, he's having trouble catching the ball. You don't say this with DeAndre Hayden.

[Juju]

It's a huge thing. Remember the Heat had to bring in Rony Turioff just because he could catch the ball.

[Stugats]

If a parents were to say to the manager of the T ball team, why isn't my kid playing more is having trouble catching the ball.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mike Ryan is right. You talk about liking to talk about the old days. This is what happened to the Miami heated center when they got three guys and couldn't pay anybody else. It was Joel Anthony who had frying pans for hands.

[Mike Ryan]

It was Eric Dampier who played in flip flops.

[Juju]

You forgot about Big Z.

[Zaz]

Big Z.

[Mike Ryan]

Don't forget that Big Z could catch the ball. LeBron. LeBron loved paying.

[Dan LeBatard]

LeBron loved tossing him the ball in the post. But he was a thousand years old. He was a mummy.

[Mike Ryan]

His last season with the Heat, he should have.

[Dan LeBatard]

He needed WD40 when he was running down the court.

[Mike Ryan]

Who else? Hold on. What's the order of this?

[Dan LeBatard]

Go through this with me for a

[Mike Ryan]

second because they did get Tory off

[Dan LeBatard]

specifically and I think he was off a heart attack.

[Juju]

That might be. He had some kind of ailment heart issue. That's A good memory.

[Stugats]

Straight up heart attack.

[Juju]

We were trying to piece it together. We had Joel Anthony, Roni Turioff, Eric Dampier, and we were like, Roni Turioff was a revelation.

[Zaz]

Greg Odin, too. You forgot Greg Odin.

[Juju]

Yeah, Greg Odin, Eddie Curry. But then we got Birdman. We're like, what is this?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, he just dunks it.

[Juju]

Birdman was so much better than that. Wait a minute.

[Mike Ryan]

This is what Big Z should have been doing if he wasn't a mummy.

[Juju]

He can catch the ball and do something with goes through the hoop when he catches it. Birdman, wow. What was in his past? There's always that shift after college hoops ends where you think things are going to slow down, and instead it's just different sports pulling you in. Now it's baseball. Every night you swear you're only half watching, and then suddenly you're locked into the seventh inning. Then you flip over. It's the cars making left turns for three hours, and somehow you're locked in. This was me, actually, the other night. I told myself, I just stay home, keep it casual. Then my buddy, college Mike texted me, hey, come through. We've got everything on. And I said, yeah. I picked up a pack of Miller Lite on the way. The next thing you know, we've got multiple screens going. Everybody's locked in on something different. And the whole night just builds and builds to one of those moments where you take a sip, you look around and you realize, yeah, this was the right call. Cheers to legendary moments with Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.

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[Juju]

See moneylion.com hey, Roy, buddy. Yo. You know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together in unison knows to stand up on their feet? Oh, absolutely.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mike.

[Stugats]

Yeah?

[Juju]

You've been at many big time sporting events. You know that moment quite well. That's what it's like when you take your first sip of Cuervo.

[Zaz]

Oh, delicious.

[Juju]

It's the signal that says, we're not checking the time anymore, pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. Cuervo, man. It's that high five. A random stranger effect. That's right. The game is popping. You're hugging people you never met before. That's the kind of energy that Cuervo brings. It's so smooth, so delicious. That's the Cuervo effect. Keep it Cuervo.

[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard.

[Stugats]

John, can you rate my Al Pacino from that billiard scene in Carlito's Way? If I do it for you? I think it's pretty good.

[Juju]

Yeah.

[Stugats]

Okay, Stugarts, you think you're big time or you're going to die big time. That is on my infamous scale of 1 to 10.

[Juju]

That's a.

[Stugats]

That's a 7.6 solid.

[Dan LeBatard]

Good job.

[Juju]

That's a suey nominee right there.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

Roy, play for me, please. The start of the day Music.

Start of the day, Start of the day it is the start of the day Start of the day Start of the day it is the start of the day Start of the day Start of the day the DC Start of the day, Start of the day Start of the day the DC Start of the day.

[Juju]

Dexter Pittman. The Dexter Pittman game.

[Stugats]

Remember he started that game against Indiana.

[Juju]

I thought SPO was gonna lose his job to Tom Cream.

[Dan LeBatard]

Look at the Pittman game, Jeremy, and tell me if he had 5,006 minutes.

[Juju]

When the Longhorns were making a run in the tournament, they showed old clips and Dexter Pittman was in the background and a chill legit my spine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Please, please look up that box score. I want to know the. When all of Miami was scared of the Indiana Pacers and Dwyane Wade was walking to the Marquette campus to fall

[Mike Ryan]

to his knees and have Tom Crean

[Stugats]

pray over them through that bow into

[Dan LeBatard]

Lance Stevenson, When Roy Hibbert made me tell Stephen A. Smith that I fear Roy Hibbert more than Tim Duncan against LeBron James because LeBron was doing baby

[Mike Ryan]

hooks in the Heat's gym in secret because he was so afraid. Afraid of Hibbert.

[Stugats]

You said you would start your team with Hibbert.

[Dan LeBatard]

I just. Just against LeBron? Just against LeBron? I would say yes, I did. I. I was appalled that Stephen A. Smith would select Tim Duncan.

[Juju]

We have to play this audio. We played it on a day that you weren't in. Dan, you are not going to believe this. I know you have a stat.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's great and we'll get to it,

[Juju]

but play this audio.

[Dan LeBatard]

You got a seven game series against the Heat that you've got to win tomorrow. I'm giving you the entire league to pick players from. Who's your first pick? You have to beat the Heat in a seven game series.

[Dusty May]

Your first pick is, I would say, Tim Duncan. You need a big. Because. Because. Because obviously Miami.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no.

[Dusty May]

Yes. Yes, Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

I want.

[Dusty May]

I want Tim Duncan. Especially after he missed. Especially after he missed the shot he missed last year because he's hungrier than ever.

[Mike Ryan]

I can't believe you took Duncan over Hibbert. Like, what are you talking about?

[Dan LeBatard]

Stay strong, Stephen.

[Dusty May]

I would take Tim Duncan.

[Juju]

Yep, me too.

[Mike Ryan]

Over Hibbert.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yep. Those are the longest 27 seconds of my life.

[Stugats]

Duncan won the title that year.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you know how afraid LeBron was of Hibbert? He was doing Skyhooks. Anyway, look up the Pittman minutes for me and see if it was 5,006 minutes.

[Jeremy]

So it was not.

[Zaz]

It was.

[Jeremy]

He started game three of the conference semifinals against the Pacers.

[Stugats]

Which year?

[Jeremy]

In year two.

[Stugats]

2012.

[Jeremy]

20. Yeah, the 20112012 season. He played three minutes. He had one personal foul. He was minus 5, 0 for 2 from the field. The Heat scored 75 points in that game. In a game in which LeBron James and Dwyane Wade both started and played 35 or more minutes.

[Stugats]

We went down two games to one, right?

[Jeremy]

That's right. Lost 94 to 75. Roy Hibbert in his 33 minutes had 19 points and 18 rebounds over Hibbert. Five blocks.

[Stugats]

And then the Heat went down 10 at halftime a game four.

[Dan LeBatard]

The stat of the day. It's been making its way over around the Internet and I was surprised by it. It's great. I can't credit it because a lot of people were sharing it. Rory McIlroy has won two Masters since the jets last had an interception.

[Stugats]

What a stupid team.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's crazy.

[Stugats]

Damn.

[Dan LeBatard]

It does seem impossible. I think the jets were the first franchise ever to go an entire season without an intercept.

[Juju]

What's more impressive, what's tougher to do in the history of sport when back to back Masters or go an entire NFL season without an. That's wild. There's a lot of golfers in that field.

[Dan LeBatard]

Put it on the poll, please. Juju at LeBatard. Show what's more impressive, winning back to back Masters or going an entire season without an interception? We've got some word problems around here. I've been having trouble speaking lately. We've got some Alzheimer's in the last couple of weeks. We will be a forgiving show.

[Juju]

We got some Alzheimer's today.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. How many do you have here, Roy? When we just play. We've got one all timer today.

[Mike Ryan]

Jeremy.

[Dan LeBatard]

That. That's the worst that Jeremy has ever been at a microphone. And it's also weirdly the most efficient.

[Jeremy]

Do you like breathing hot neck on hot. Hot air on the neck.

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[Jeremy]

Hot neck.

[Zaz]

Good start.

[Juju]

Justin Hamilton.

[Stugats]

Nice.

[Juju]

Josh Harrelson

[Dan LeBatard]

jorts that.

[Mike Ryan]

Good start.

[Zaz]

It's kind of like a. Like a karate chop to the neck that I do to Chris, like verbally.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not the forgiving though.

[Mike Ryan]

Easter.

[Zaz]

It wasn't. It wasn't. Again, I had to do everything and then give him the plan.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, but let's. Let's see. I want. I want to actually vote on this. I want. I want juju to put this as well out there and get a vote on which is the worst of these because this can be a sui category of mispronuncifications.

[Zaz]

Mikel gladness and Ruri Huchimara

[Stugats]

gladness. Rui hoochie Mara.

[Zaz]

I like zaz just saying Hoochie mara.

[Stugats]

Why would you tell me all those?

[Zaz]

Right.

[Stugats]

Rui hoochie Mara.

[Mike Ryan]

But I thought. Because I thought you were saying. I thought it was right because I thought what you were saying is that you were recognizing who the two teammates were and saying there's no way that's all LeBron is going into the playoffs with. I didn't realize that you were.

[Juju]

Jarvis Varnado.

[Stugats]

That's how Mike Breen says it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Roy, do me the favor of grabbing for me some.

[Juju]

We should stop this game.

[Dan LeBatard]

Truce peace treaty. Tool their tool.

[Mike Ryan]

Do something.

[Stugats]

Yeah. Why? Why, Mike? Why did. Why did we do it the next to last game?

[Juju]

I'm here to broker peace. This needs to stop.

[Zaz]

You had a couple today. I didn't jump on, by the way.

[Mike Ryan]

Me.

[Juju]

Yeah, you did. No sensitive topics.

[Zaz]

I didn't say anything.

[Juju]

Oh, on the Bane thing, I was taking my time. Almanac. That's from a couple weeks ago, right?

[Stugats]

Still plays Almanac.

[Juju]

You're not gonna like this.

[Zaz]

Are you gonna say it in Spanish? Where are you going with that?

[Juju]

You're trying to drag me down to your tier. I'm not in this year.

[Mike Ryan]

This begins with me yelling at Stephen A. Smith. No one will have a greater shame than me no matter where this ends up. Over Hibbert, how has Zas asking Dusty

[Dan LeBatard]

May whether winning the championship felt better

[Mike Ryan]

than losing in the Final Four?

[Dan LeBatard]

Not made an appearance on this list of things because it's not on you, right?

[Jeremy]

You did what?

[Zaz]

Jeremy wasn't here for that. He was out that day. So he has no idea that he says, asked Dusty May, is it better to win or is it better to lose?

[Dan LeBatard]

Roy will find that in a second. Roy, how much more sound do you have here? Mike is asking us to pull the parachute on this, and I want to follow this wherever it goes, but I've lost my confidence in you. If you can't find the most recent

[Mike Ryan]

example of Zask asking Zaz, asking Dusty

[Dan LeBatard]

May if it's better to win than

[Juju]

lose, Dan, I'm actually adding more stuff right now.

[Stugats]

Wow.

[Juju]

Careful. Dan messed up Zaz's name.

[Jeremy]

Zask.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Juju]

We should stop.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think we should. I think we should press the gas on this and see where it is that we end up. If it's. Especially if Zaz went to UFC Saturday, if Zask went to usc, if Zask went to UFC on Saturday and felt. Felt remorse because he was thinking about how dumb Dusty May thinks he is, well, it wasn't.

[Stugats]

I didn't feel bad. Yes, I felt bad about what Dusty May likely thinks of me, all right? Because I'm the guy in the Waymo and the guy who asks a stupid question. So that does make me feel bad. But like, Dusty May definitely knows who I am.

[Zaz]

100.

[Stugats]

100, you know, but that's how he knows me. But no, I. I felt. I felt bad. You go ahead, Roy. Go ahead, Coach. Did the winning feel better than losing in the Final Four with fau?

[Mike Ryan]

What?

[Stugats]

You coached the winning feel better than losing in the Final Four with fau. The hardest part to. To swallow there is. There was such a wide variance in. If I had used the proper words. It's a great question, but I used bad words. And so it ends up being the worst question. A massive variance there. Coach, did the winning feel better than losing in the Final Four with fau?

[Jeremy]

I will say the words are probably the biggest part of asking a question.

[Stugats]

I know I meant to use different words.

[Dan LeBatard]

Put it on the poll. Juju. Are words the biggest part of asking a question also? I don't think when you say the biggest variance. Jeremy, do you understand what he was going for there? Because he says he thought he had a brilliant question. Did you understand the brilliance in the question. What did you think the question was meant to be?

[Jeremy]

So is this a. Is the run that you had before a better feeling than this one? No.

[Stugats]

No, You.

[Jeremy]

So you asked genuinely, did it feel better to win the National?

[Dan LeBatard]

But you understand what he meant. He's saying he is not wrong when he says that the question he meant to ask was a good, good question, but nobody gets it right when they ask. Nobody understands what he was trying to ask. This is what he was trying to ask.

[Stugats]

Coach, did the winning feel better than losing in the final four with fau?

[Dan LeBatard]

Losing felt bad.

[Juju]

Did.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did the feel good feel better than the feel bad? Felt bad?

[Jeremy]

The juxtaposition.

[Zaz]

That's a good question, Dan. Did I.

[Mike Ryan]

That.

[Zaz]

That would have been perfect.

[Stugats]

That's a good alliteration and all, but

[Dan LeBatard]

that's what he was.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what he was trying.

[Zaz]

He would have never said that.

[Stugats]

He would have never said.

[Juju]

Let's be honest.

[Zaz]

Let's hear.

[Dan LeBatard]

So it haunted you. How. How was your UFC experience? Because we're headed toward. Look, something that's about to make me very sad as someone who. This was the place that me and my brother shared in sports. He didn't really like sports at all, but he liked the measurements and the sciences of the combat sports. But the combat sports have been taken over by Trump and are a propaganda arm for, like, some.

[Juju]

Did Lebo like the measurements and the sciences, or did he like to watch two guys in a fight?

[Dan LeBatard]

Nope.

[Juju]

It's like, this is such a danism. Measurements and. No, he sc. It's my two guys beating the shit.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, but. No, but it's styles. It's. No, the specifics of my brother. Like to see ground game against striker, like to see jiu jitsu, just all of it, the science of it, the people who are great at it, who love what Tony loves about the technicians of the craft and that you're. It's the oldest thing that people do, and they've been perfecting it over many, many years. And, you know, judo against karate, which. Which wins, whatever. And it is a sport that I've loved since the beginning, right when they had the theatrics of the guy comes to the cage with a crucifix, a giant wooden cross on his back, and it's all like this. It's a gutter of. Not mainstream stuff that you can't get anywhere. That's, like the dirty place. Long before Kimbo slice even exists on the Internet, there's this sport that. Where they're doing. What. How's that legal. And John McCain is saying it's cockfighting. And Skipper won't sit next to Dana White, even though Dana White wants him right next to him. So that they can see this has been legitimized. It's not cockfighting. It's not barbaric.

[Mike Ryan]

It's.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's beautiful. It's the gladiator sport. There were.

[Juju]

There were dudes fighting in shoes and you could straight up.

[Zaz]

Those are the wrestlers?

[Juju]

Yeah, the wrestlers straight up punch somebody in the dick.

[Stugats]

They used to wear a gi.

[Juju]

Yeah, yeah, he was wearing the gi. No, there was another dude, a Kenpo Canadian. It was not mixed martial arts. The mixing was that you had all these different disciplines, but everybody basically stuck to one discipline.

[Dan LeBatard]

But.

[Juju]

And there was this Kenpo dude that just punched people in the dick. The video's online. No, it was illegal. There's just one round where he's just

[Dan LeBatard]

like, yes, it was the most barbaric. It really has been one of the most amazing things in my sports lifetime to see a major professional sports league spring out of the gutter and become what this has become now, which is a propaganda arm for, you know, a felon crook who has lost the approval rating of everybody because he's dangerous.

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[Stugats]

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[Dan LeBatard]

K Pop Demon Hunters, Haja Boy's breakfast meal and hunt tricks meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say?

[Juju]

To that Rumi.

[Depop Advertiser]

It's not a battle.

[Dan LeBatard]

So glad the Saja boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Quaker Advertiser]

It is an honor to share.

[Zaz]

No, it's our honor.

[Quaker Advertiser]

It is our larger honor.

[Stugats]

No, really, stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle.

[Dan LeBatard]

Pick a meal to pick a side and participate in McDonald's while supplies last.

Don LeBatard.

[Zaz]

Did someone say conservative entity?

[Mike Ryan]

Wow. No.

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, See, this is why stugats.

[Zaz]

Hers is better than mine.

[Mike Ryan]

The fifth Zagaki, yours was flooded. How is the fifth Zagaki better than the third and the fourth zagaki already?

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Stugats]

Dan, when the President walked into that building, I mean, Tony can attest, it's like it's. It's almost obscene how much these people love him.

[Dusty May]

Him.

[Stugats]

The place erupts.

[Zaz]

Yes and no, though. Cuz I've been to obviously the last three Miami fights and he's also been to the last three Miami fights. Getting bigger applause.

[Stugats]

Yep.

[Zaz]

Every time back, I felt like the one from last year was bigger than the one from this year.

[Stugats]

Oh, really?

[Zaz]

I felt like the pop was way bigger last year. This year is a bit more. A bit more mooted.

[Juju]

Anyways.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're not. You're not sure. You're not sure.

[Mike Ryan]

You used.

[Dan LeBatard]

How are you?

[Mike Ryan]

How did you spell what you said?

[Zaz]

How did I spell it?

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know.

[Zaz]

I said it mooted. I should have said muted. It's a moot point. Thank you. Good start. We're all friends here, right?

[Dan LeBatard]

We're forgiving. The Gracies are. Were my brother's favorite because they beat everybody, no matter their style and whatever. And so that's where my interest in the sport lied. And I really did and do love it. But it's been contaminated from every corner for me by the fact that Joe Rogan, who I really admire as a broadcaster because he really understands that sport better than almost any of the broadcasters

[Mike Ryan]

anywhere doing any of the broadcasts. Like, he's really good at that.

[Dan LeBatard]

To see those three people, Rogan, Dana White, and Donald Trump, turn this into something that's now going to be on the White House lawn as a cartoon

[Mike Ryan]

caricature

[Dan LeBatard]

form of idiocracy where no sports and politics can't mix unless it's these people doing this thing. It's obviously something that hurts to watch. It just. It hurts to watch something that I love, that's contaminated on every side by the fact that I feel lonely in my own Miami because I'M like, what the fuck are these people doing making this guy feel like he's a hero? What are my people doing making this guy feel like he's a victim them. And this is the place where he can feel best about, I'm being wronged, I'm persecuted, when all he's doing is lining the pockets of his family with riches. After avoiding jail by getting this presidency and attacking every form of democracy there is. How do I separate their two? How do I separate those two things? Because it's, it's killed my interest in this in a way that I don't want to be.

[Stugats]

So he was on camera a lot like he was, he was front and center.

[Zaz]

Obviously we were what, maybe a 200ft from. 250ft from where we were sitting.

[Stugats]

I'll tell you something that was so surprising to me. So who was the fighter after he won?

[Zaz]

Paulo Costa jumped the cage.

[Stugats]

He jumped the cage and then went to go talk to the president and the president was like, you know, it's a beautiful man. He's too handsome to be fair.

[Zaz]

He's like an Adonis level like fighter

[Stugats]

looking guy like his, his body is

[Zaz]

not a typical ufc.

[Juju]

Glad they were being fair.

[Stugats]

But I found it, to be fair. I, I found it jarring. I mean, think about it. Maybe I'm being naive. I thought I found it jarring that someone is allowed to jump over the cage and just run up on the President of the United States.

[Dan LeBatard]

It happened the last time too.

[Stugats]

But doesn't that, isn't that wild? Like, forget, you know, he's not just anyone. Even this is a professional killer who is allowed to just run up on the president where it's like, it'll be okay. Like, what if this guy actually hates the president? I mean, he's a professional killer. I thought it was, it was very jarring to me that he's just allowed to run right up on the present, touch him, talk to him. Everyone's like, yeah, it's cool.

[Zaz]

It's happened a couple times. Like when he's been cage side, where people jump over and kind of, you know, shake his hand, talk to him or whatever it is, or talk to him. From Rogan, interviewing them where he sees him through the cage, like that's kind of normal behavior. But yeah, to your point, if somebody fakes it and says, yeah, no, I love him, but then all of a sudden hits him with an elbow. Yeah, that'd be like wwe, that'd be crazy.

[Stugats]

Yeah, and kill him.

[Dan LeBatard]

I cannot think of a time that I feel lonelier in my city than when this happens. I've gone to a couple of them and this part is disorienting to me because I do know that in that space, he is absolutely beloved. And what I'm watching there, though, is what my parents told me was what the Cuban government did with their sports teams. Like, you use them as an arm so that you have an army of soldiers to be feared. And these guys are the crazy ones. Like, you understand. Part of my admiration for some of these people comes from most of the people fighting didn't have much of a choice. Like, these are hard lives. To fight the world for money is an insanity. Like to fight war torn mountain people who are crawling out of war torn mountains to, to. I'll. I'll show you the ground game. None of this will be interesting. It won't be fun to watch. I'll ruin the sport from down here. But no one can beat me because I train with Wolverines.

[Zaz]

The guy that Paulo Costa actually beat head kicked him into oblivion. Literally had a head kick where he hit him so hard across the eyebrow on the thing where he kind of stumbled back and then fell, and that's where they called it. He's from some war torn part of Russia. So it's like you have all these different places. Obviously Paula Costa is Brazilian and you have a lot of Brazilians, a lot of Russians. So it's like a good mix of people on the car, hard. But Paulo Costa, you know, decided to do that with his time, which was jump over the fence and talk to Donald Trump.

[Stugats]

It was, it was my second time going. I went last year as well as my second time going to one of these UFC events.

[Zaz]

Last year was a great event.

[Stugats]

Yeah, no, I thought, I thought Saturday was really good too. I mean, three of the. And I don't know anything. Three of the five main card fights were really good, really entertaining. Huge shocking finish to the, the championship main event. But damn. I went with my son. My son is 17. He loves the Arab fighters, all right, but loves UFC MMA in general. He's way into it. I was wondering why he was so adamant about bringing me, because I don't know anything. And then I learned on the way over there, it's because his friend was out of town. It's like, oh, okay. That's why.

[Zaz]

Take the old man. He drives me for free.

[Stugats]

So he, he makes me go, we got to get there at 7pm we got to get there for all the prelims. Dan. I'm sitting there for five plus hours.

[Dan LeBatard]

The first three by yourself, I would imagine, right? Like there wasn't anybody there.

[Stugats]

Oh no, it was a decent crowd.

[Zaz]

A lot of people like to say the gate and this Napa like when the fights really started rolling, like there

[Stugats]

was a lot, a lot. Oh yeah. When the main card started it was completely packed. But Dan, let me tell you something. Five hours, I'm out there. I'm at the age in my life now. I don't need to be anywhere for five hours. It's too long. I was so tired by 9:30pm I want to be in bed. Can you imagine being somewhere for five hours? It's too much time. It's way too long to be out.

[Zaz]

Zaz, what did you think when Cub Swanson made his final? Swanson?

[Stugats]

Yeah, that was pretty cool.

[Zaz]

Octagon who's 42 years old, I go to Lewis, I'm like, that's three years older than Zaz. Imagine Zaz land.

[Stugats]

Nateware, he dominated that guy.

[Juju]

Swanson fights now.

[Zaz]

Yeah, Swanson, yeah.

[Stugats]

Dominated.

[Juju]

That's what I'm saying.

[Zaz]

No, I don't know who you're saying,

[Stugats]

but I'll tell you.

[Juju]

Swanson Dansby.

[Stugats]

I found myself. I felt bad a few times, okay. I felt bad because I found myself not liking it when, when a guy was getting beat up and, and there's all these people there watching him get beat up.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like that's what, that's what it is.

[Zaz]

But you like wrestling.

[Stugats]

But I don't mind it. I don't mind when I'm watching on

[Juju]

TV sciences and measurements.

[Stugats]

For some reason watching it on tv, I don't have a problem. But being there, I guess and being able to experience there's all these people who are enjoying watching this person get beat up. I didn't, it made me uncomfortable. I didn't like it.

[Zaz]

Did it make you more uncomfortable when Dominic Reyes and Johnny Walker and the cooked off the unk off the disruption of the fight when everybody was yelling bullshit.

[Stugats]

My son told me, Dan, that that fight was rigged. Did you know that?

[Juju]

Rigged.

[Zaz]

They were supposed to both knock each other out.

[Stugats]

My son said that fight's rigged.

[Zaz]

What a terrible fight.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dan, to get this straight though, you think the way to appeal to today's young people is to say that you can't handle being anywhere for five hours. Just a great sporting event, a great party of any kind. The most memorable nights of sports.

[Zaz]

One of the best fights in the last two decades.

[Dan LeBatard]

But, but wherever it is that your best sports memories reside, those were five hour nights. They were not three hour nights. They were five hour night. All of them are five hour nights.

[Mike Ryan]

That's not true.

[Stugats]

Panther games, two and a half hours. He and a.

[Dan LeBatard]

Before the. After the. All of it.

[Juju]

Baseball now 90 minutes. Inexplicably.

[Mike Ryan]

The. The.

[Dan LeBatard]

I understand what you're saying. But then you add to that I need to be in bed by 9:30 and the main fights don't start till 9:30. Like you're you you. When I say nobody's at the prelims. Nobody's ever at the prelims. Compared to what is later. There's just blood on the mat. When the people arrive, there's a lot of blood on the mat was. And not a lot of people watched how that blood got spilled.

[Mike Ryan]

And they don't clean it up all the time.

[Zaz]

Well, they clean it up, but the problem is you can't get it out of the canvas.

[Mike Ryan]

So yes, it's. It's very barbaric.

[Dan LeBatard]

And soon UFC license plates are coming to the state of Florida because all of this is very welcome and warm here for him near Mar a Lago where they will soon one day hide more classified.

[Zaz]

You want me to get you1a UFC?

[Dan LeBatard]

The toilet says UFC lives here. And it'll be so will be just surrounded by the UFC guys.

[Zaz]

The UFC UFC plate looks great, by the way. Way nice. Black with a nice little red on the side. Looks very nice.

[Jeremy]

They look almost as good as the fighters.

[Juju]

It'll replace the Vice City, am I right? License plate as that guy just tried to kill me.

[Zaz]

It's a good looking plate.

[Jeremy]

A lot of those say what you want cyber trucks.

[Zaz]

I'm gonna get Jeremy one too for making that comment, please.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you have them? You.

[Dusty May]

You have.

[Dan LeBatard]

You have.

[Mike Ryan]

You have access to the call a couple people.

[Dan LeBatard]

The.

[Mike Ryan]

The. I you guys. Do you guys know how close we actually are?

[Dan LeBatard]

Because I was thinking about this. I saw some of the video for

[Mike Ryan]

what the Trump library is going to be and it's not a Trump library, it's a Trump hotel where he's talking

[Dan LeBatard]

about like a 747 being in the lobby. It's going to be a hotel that also may have a library.

[Mike Ryan]

Like a library like by the bar, a place with a couple of books like. But it's not. And it's right here between here and

[Dan LeBatard]

Freedom Tower, which is literally the first place my father was when he arrived in the United States from Cuba. It's literally the first place. It's a great joy to be able to see it from the windows here while we're doing what we're doing until

[Mike Ryan]

we won't be able to see it because there's going to be a giant hotel and casino next door. And Mike Ryan's been teasing me since

[Dan LeBatard]

the announcement that my father's going to end up being a casino greeter at

[Mike Ryan]

the Freedom Tower, that my father's going to be at the front of the. He's just going to be, in a way, dancing in his 80s next door to Trump Casino while I'm surrounding by UFC and guns and truck testicles.

[Zaz]

So did you watch the Josh Hocut fight? Because that was sick. Can we talk about that later?

[Dan LeBatard]

That press conference he did was cringe.

[Zaz]

He's an interesting guy. Let's just leave it at that. But I think he won over a lot, a lot of people with this performance on Saturday.