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- [00:02]
Dan LeBatard
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Jon Weiner
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Jeremy Tache
This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.
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Mike Ryan
All right, so Jerry Jones at it again. Man, this guy is the most impressive reality TV exactly. Producer in history. I used to get frustrated and I still sometimes one of the things that I I enjoy doing is pointing out when owners and management in general drop the ball on one of the very few things that only they are responsible for. And that is like the external communication. So between the Cowboys and the Bengals right now, who are both in contract negotiation situations with top of the league talents at pass rusher, at marquee positions, they both seem to be bungling the external communication part about this. The last time that someone messed this up so bad, or not even negotiations part, but the communications part was when the owner of the Giants kind of Put all his coaches and general managers on the hot seat bus and making a joke, suggesting that, like, they better show me something fast. And I was like, you're putting them in a bad spot. But fast forward to now. Jerry Jones is supposedly in negotiations with Micah Parsons. He had one on one conversations with Micah Parsons, which Jerry Jones believes is some sort of level of like binding negotiations, I guess. But Michael Parsons has an agent, and rather than be quiet is one thing you could do. Rather than do that. Jerry Jones says the agent is not a factor here or something to worry about. And I don't know his name like his name is David Mulaguer, who. Everyone knows his name because he might be the agent. But that aside, what are you doing other than trying to get on, get up in the morning or trying to get people to talk about, like, he has to be. Unless he is careening towards some sort of, I don't know, mental aid situation, he has to know that that's not gonna sit well with Michael Parsons. And it's not gonna look right for him unless we're just accepting that he's like, man, how can I get them to talk about me?
- [03:59]
Jeremy Tache
Well, I think it's a guy who. The only wins that Jerry Jones seemingly is going to get is in these art of the deal moments now where you look at how he's done things in these face to face, give me your handshake. And that should be binding conversations. I was long put in a position long, long, long ago and told by people who dealt with contracts, if anybody makes you feel funny about the money that you have earned, see it for what it is and keep it moving. Michael Parsons can't keep it moving. You gotta take what's on the table. But saying that David Mulagueda is not a person that you should have to even have any speaks with, any conversation with nor acknowledging his one that is setting a precedent for all these contracts going forward. Like, oh, yeah, if I'm the Rams and I'm talking to, you know, somebody who I've drafted, I don't need to talk to their agent. I don't need to bring in one of the power brokers of the game. He's. He's not winning on the field. He, you know, any attention is good attention. I think he still, he still operates under that premise. But the whole art of the deal and the whole negotiation and the whole, you know, oil tycoon and businessman kind of vibe that he is trying to give off, he's still having those wins in his mind. And Also, also, please believe when these owners get together and talk like they need to talk without the cameras around, Jerry Jones is walking around with the big stick in his head. So he continues to, you know, go.
- [05:23]
Mike Ryan
About things this way within the owner's room. He still has this type of leverage. He went on to say that I'm not trying to demean him, but it isn't about an agent. I'm not demeaning the agent. Which you only say if you know that what you just said was demeaning.
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Jeremy Tache
It's the no disrespect preface. No disrespect, but your baby's ugly. You know what I mean?
- [05:43]
Mike Ryan
Like, with all due respect. Oh, that's one of my favorite.
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Dan LeBatard
I love it.
- [05:47]
Mike Ryan
With all due respect, if you say with all due respect, Shade is coming. Oh, I can't wait. I am hanging on to the very next phrase that you let out. But I don't know. And he hasn't won these negotiations like everyone. He waits till the last moment he loses negotiations. I guess I just don't understand the point of this. The only way that I can.
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Jeremy Tache
Well, he thinks he's one of some of them, though. He thought he won the Tony Romo one. And by the way, these are all the face to face.
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Mike Ryan
Tony Romo, how long ago?
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Jeremy Tache
Tony Romo, DeMarcus Lawrence, the recent ones, Zach Martin. Yeah, but that's, that's the thing though. As long as you can go back and hearken back to a day that you won one of these, the next one is the one you think you're going to win. And with Micah Parsons, you know, if you, if you were going to give him the highest non quarterback contract in the league anyway, you saying I don't want to talk to your agent is just you drawing a line. That's not necessary. We, I mean, you see it in relationships all the time where it's like, I'm going to do this, but I'm gonna do it my way and on my time. And his way and his time has a little bit, you know, there's constrictions and confinements to it that you gotta get this thing going. And the more that we talk about this and the more it's public, I mean, the two sides are gonna come to an agreement. It's just how much angst do you wanna put upon your organization and your fan base and especially a player now who, you know, you don't signing a deal that you don't feel good about and then going to have to perform the three games in a row that you don't get pressures, you gonna think, damn, did I make a mistake? Was this the right thing to do? You know, do these people still revere and care about me?
- [07:16]
Mike Ryan
Like it's signing Michael Parsons. The thing that I don't get about these Jerry Jones negotiations is signing Michael Parsons and signing Dak Prescott, signing CD Lamb. Signing these guys is easy, especially Michael Parsons right now. It's like, you know what? Add $1 onto whoever had the less deal and let's keep it moving. Unless you're trying to revolutionize this thing or you're trying to take advantage of him. I don't know what we talking about. Like he's that type of player that when he's up, you pay him. Whatever, the guy is ahead of him. And I think they all accepted that he's going to be the highest paid, like non quarterback, at least on defense out there. Or maybe tie him with Miles Garrett. Either way, this is not a heavy conversation. I understand why the sentiment is. Maybe we don't need an agent, but why ever say that? That's what I don't understand is like this is not making the negotiations any better when it's Jerry Jones. Sometimes I'm willing to think that the purpose for doing this is just to create a story, because he knows how to create a story. But I'm not quite sure why Katie Blackburn, who runs the the Bengals, would say what she said because everything that she said seems like it makes Trey Hendrickson not want to sign with that team. And he has one more year on his deal and Michael Parsons not up tomorrow either. So both of these guys will likely play for their team going forward. But. But it's as if they believe that we're in a fantasy football world where it doesn't matter how you interact with your star players, where it doesn't matter what you say about him or whether you embarrass him. Just so you know, this is what she said. She said, I think he should be happy at a. At a certain rates that maybe he doesn't think he'd be happy yet. I think some of it is on him to be happy at some point. And if he's not, you know, that's what holds it up sometimes. What are you talking about?
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Jeremy Tache
A lot of that.
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Mike Ryan
Why, but why say it? I don't understand.
- [09:05]
Jeremy Tache
Their situation is different though. Cincinnati's situation is different. I think Jerry resetting the market for three different positions in the span of what, three or four years? I think he has to go back to the owners and go, hey, man, I fought. You saw how much I fought. I know we gotta sign these jerks, but I fought with the Bengals. Chance to cover the Bengals, Rams, Super Bowl. The stories that I heard about how that team still travels, how that team still eats, how that team still goes about their business like, this is ingrained. Hey, listen, we don't do this. Your name is Trey Hendrickson, and we might lose with you. We take what you can get, and this is what you can get. I think it's. I think it's a different. A different lens that the Bengals and Katie that you mentioned just now, whose name, just like, you know, Jackie, I can't remember. Katie Blackburn. Exactly. I think they. I think they're looking at this.
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Mike Ryan
I would think that Trey Hendrickson actually has more leverage than we would think he does because of the way that this team is constructed. This team is constructed in a way where they believe that they can make a run, but they don't got nobody on defense except for him. So, like, if he actually decided. We look at Emmett Smith situation, if he actually decides not to show up.
- [10:22]
Jeremy Tache
Couple games, but they gonna lose. But this is the thing. The defense was trash and they lost with him. Yeah, that's what Katie Blackburn's like, hey, man, you lost and got our heads beat in with you.
- [10:32]
Mike Ryan
But I guess, and this may be an impossible question to answer is, I always love those. Just because someone put a microphone in front of you or just because a reporter asked you a question does not mean that you have to answer it or doesn't mean that you have to answer it honestly. I also think that these aren't curveball surprise questions. You should be ready to deliver a nothing answer that won't get talked about on the Dan LeBatard show or Pat McAfee show when Trey Hendrickson went on there to respond to it, or on any of the other ESPN shows. You should be able to do that or make a comment that helps you in negotiations. Because what she did there, I don't think helped telling him, you gotta be happy. At some point, you just gotta be happy. Maybe that's how you feel. Maybe that's right. But can't you just be like, yeah, we're working on it. We really believe he's important to us. We're gonna figure it out. I don't care what it takes.
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Jeremy Tache
It kind of tells you what the environment is, though, of the people that you are bouncing things off of and conferring with. Right. The ecosphere is different for you now, you know like, now that you're removed from the situation and you take a look from a zoomed out perspective and you're part of the media now, we have different. We have different environments that we talk about these things. And if I'm in a, in a, in a boardroom and I'm sitting here like, hey, we were terrible on defense last year with this guy. And then, oh, yeah, we were. And then there's another, oh, yeah, we were. Yeah, he should be happy about what he's getting. And then you surrounded by, hey, you know what? Good talk. Let's go to lunch. Oh, by the way, on the way to lunch, a microphone gets stuck in your face. Hey, what the hell's going on with Trey? Hey, you know what? Damn it. Rob in the meeting said that you should be happy about this money. And I don't care how it comes out. This is what it is. Like, we act as if, like rich people and people who cut checks for rich people aren't different in their thinking. And when they become different in their thinking and verbalize it, we're like, wait a minute, did the ultra rich person or the person who has the ultra rich person's checkbook in their hand gonna be different? No, we see, like a lot of these organizations have zombies walking around them. Just whatever you say is fine. Whatever you say is good. This is what they spit out.
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Mike Ryan
Though it'd be interesting, it'd be really nice if we had someone to give us an NBA perspective, because so rarely. Where we gonna find that so rarely do we get the NBA owners and general managers talking bad.
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Jessie P. H. M. H.
Jeremy, what do you think?
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Jon Weiner
Speaking of NBA perspective, I was kidding. You know, there was perspective.
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Jeremy Tache
If you look at the game from.
- [12:56]
Jon Weiner
Last night, you know, Jason Tatum, 4 of 17 from the field, guarded by Pella Larson, a shutdown defender.
- [13:02]
Mike Ryan
Thank you.
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Roy Bellamy
Wait, before we get the basketball perspective, can we relive you mentioned a few minutes ago saying no disrespect or no offense, no shade. We had a pretty famous incident between Dan and Jay Bilis on this show where there was a no offense involved.
- [13:15]
Dan LeBatard
If someone with Tyler Hansbrough's resume were black, do you think people might say he's unathletic or he's not athletic enough? Dan, Dan, no offense, but this is stupid. I mean, you know, all due respect, I mean, if you guys want to talk about this, I'm here to talk about whatever you want. Outside of this, we don't have to talk about anything, but it's not stupid. And you can't start a sentence Jay, you can't start a sentence with no offense and then say, this is stupid. Okay, then take offense. It's stupid, and I don't want to talk about it anymore. You want to talk about something else? No, thank you. Good talking to you. You do? Jay Billis of espn. Yep. Now, to the other.
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Jeremy Tache
I thought this was. I thought that was going to steer back into the direction of. And we can. Hey, bring up some other North Carolinian basketball player that you shouldn't care about.
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Dan LeBatard
Yep. And by the way, for the listeners, the younger listeners, that sound at the end was the sound of a phone hanging up. See, back in day, it wasn't like a touch screen and you just said end call. You had to physically pick the receiver and clang it down on this cradle and it would create this sound that everyone understood is. That's the sound of getting hung up on.
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Jeremy Tache
You know. You know what we call that?
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Dan LeBatard
Espn?
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Jeremy Tache
We call that a landline.
- [14:21]
Dan LeBatard
A landline.
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Jeremy Tache
I miss banging the phone.
- [14:23]
Dan LeBatard
Oh, my God. Angrily ending a call.
- [14:26]
Jeremy Tache
Bsbn, the ultimate form of disrespect. VSN communication wise. Oh, it's a. It's a. It's a. It's a subtle one too. It's like a drop on the line. Yeah. It wasn't a bang. It was like, you know what? I'm done with this pity conversation.
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Dan LeBatard
Espn.
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Jeremy Tache
That's nasty.
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Dan LeBatard
J. Billis, man.
- [14:44]
Jeremy Tache
Cowboy, don't play. Don't play around. Don't play. Hey, all them Jeezy lyrics he recites.
- [14:50]
Dan LeBatard
I gotta go to work.
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Mike Ryan
All right, let's get the basketball perspective.
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Jeremy Tache
Yeah.
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Mike Ryan
Nice voice. Nice.
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Jeremy Tache
Let's get it.
- [14:56]
Mike Ryan
So we were talking about contract negotiations and how ESPN blows my mind every time. And it happens fairly regularly in the NFL where the contract negotiations are happening and the team and the team representatives say something that I believe to be unnecessary and counterproductive and somewhat disrespectful. Right now Jerry Jones is doing it to David Mulaguetta and Katie Blackburn is doing it to Trey Hendrickson. And I just don't like, I can't remember a time where it's happened recently in the NBA where they just are straight up like, eh, he gonna be happy with this deal. But I guess in part because those contracts are already kind of predetermined where it's like, either you're gonna get a max deal or you're not.
- [15:36]
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, the. The negotiation in the NBA happens for the middle class people. If you are a certain caliber player, we don't have to guess what you're worth. We know what you're worth immediately, by the number of years you've played in the league. Basically, it's a fixed number. It is a percentage of what the salary cap is. And so that takes a lot of the guesswork of to. Which would be really interesting conversation, which is in an uncapped, not unsalary cap, but unmaximum capped society, what is Steph Curry worth? 70 million? 80 million? 90 million? There is a legitimate conversation about Steph Lebron, Giannis Jokic, like these guys, whatever you're paying them is probably still not gonna be enough. And at some point, then you. Then it comes into which I imagine in the NFL, there's a lot of the conversations like, I want to pay you this, but also, I want to also be able to field the team. And that's what the team salary cap does, is it makes it harder for that distribution of money. Now in the NFL, I think they do a better job of giving the money to the people who impact winning the most. For us, we are limited and we take that extra money and we make multimillionaires out of guys who are fairly replaceable on that level. What would.
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Mike Ryan
I've always wondered. This is. I think you could make up a couple of different scenarios, but maybe you have a better projection than me. What would it look like if you removed the max salary? What would happen? Because I think my. My desire is to remove the max salary because it generally feels like an unnecessary restriction. But I also am willing to accept that there's a possibility that you could end up in a world where there are a lot of teams or a number of the very best players don't find themselves in the most consequential games at the end of the year because they are on teams that have given so much of their salary to them. And then there are these other teams that are made up of a lot of really good players that end up finding their way to the championship, which would be a result that we wouldn't want.
- [17:34]
Dan LeBatard
But. But ultimately, if it happens, what's going to happen? That team is someone's going to be like, I deserve more money, man. And once that happens, it throws everything off. It's funny, as a player, as a player advocate, you should want the max salary because it helps more players than not having a max salary, which helps a handful of players. But what would happen is, take the lakers, for example. LeBron is, I think, like, it's whatever LeBron agrees to. But if he was like, I don't want to leave a dollar on the table, he could easily say 90 to $100 million a year, and Luka could probably say 70 to 80. So now with two players, you're over both aprons, basically. Everybody else. Austin Reaves, he's making minimum, right? Rui Ichimura, he's making minimum. All these other things.
- [18:20]
Jeremy Tache
Wouldn't you have to get rid of the salary cap, period?
- [18:22]
Dan LeBatard
No, because the whole point would be like, y'all want to be paid what you're worth, for real? Okay. It's going to be one of y'all per team, though. Like, that whole. I'm going to team up with him and him. It gets debted or either it gets debted or someone says, I'm willing to leave money on the table. And that's a big. Like, everyone loves to be teammates and homies until, like, I got to leave money on the table. And it's not necessarily that.
- [18:43]
Jeremy Tache
Can't eat these championships.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah. And it's not even about, like, oh, I'm making 60 versus 80 million. Like, what can I do with 80 that I couldn't do with 60? Right? It's not about that. It's about I'm making 60 or 30 or whatever, and that guy makes. And then the moment he messes up, like. And y'all gave the money to him.
- [19:00]
Jeremy Tache
See, and that's where I would enjoy it more, to be honest with you, because I like as much scrutiny as we give players on. Across every platform in every sport. Like, to me, the architects of these teams don't get called into question as much as they should. Let's find out who the real talent evaluators are. Let's find out who the guys who. Who are paying 12 million to a guy who's probably worth 35, 40 million because they found a diamond in the rough or they found a good fit. Like, I'd be fine with that across the board. That's the more American way to do.
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Dan LeBatard
Well, that's the other. The other part of this. Right. The other salary cap altogether is like, I don't. I don't mind it. I think. I think it's good. If you. If you are, would you say it's ruined baseball not having a salary cap? I think. Yeah. There are teams that know instantly on April 1st, hey, we're not. That ain't us.
- [19:46]
Mike Ryan
Every year, baseball ruined baseball. But I think that the David Sampson. Yeah.
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Jon Weiner
Pitch clock coming up soon.
- [19:54]
Mike Ryan
Although I am very excited about Shohei Otani and the A and O Dodgers.
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Roy Bellamy
Right now, but not pitch clock.
- [19:59]
Mike Ryan
And I'm even more Excited about Pitch clock with my man, Jackie with the mid.
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Jeremy Tache
Jackie with the mid. I'm sorry.
- [20:07]
Jon Weiner
No, it's great.
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Dan LeBatard
You know what's funny about baseball is that Shohei is finally someone that like I think is a star that transcends. I've told this story before. I went to White Sox game, right? And they were playing. Yeah, it was, it rained that day. It was, it was a bad day in Chicago, as all my days in Chicago are. But they played, they played the Blue Jays. And this is when the Blue Jays had like. I don't know if it's still the case, but they had all these guys who were like the sons of like famous baseball players.
- [20:35]
Jeremy Tache
So they were like Dante Bichette, the.
- [20:37]
Dan LeBatard
Black girl, junior Man. Oh my God. He's. I'm like, oh, that's why I remember Black Railroad. I remember. I was like, cool. I'm excited. And I went to the game and like he got walked twice and like he fouled out or whatever.
- [20:48]
Roy Bellamy
A good eye.
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Dan LeBatard
And then. And then like defensively he didn't do shit because the ball never came his way. And I said, how do you have a sport where you have a player? Like if I go to an NBA game and I say I'm going to a LeBron game, I'm going to see some LeBron ass shit. Like, oh my God, if I go to a Chiefs game, I'm going to see Mahomes do some crazy shit. Baseball is the only sport, even soccer. I'm going to go to Inter Miami. I'm going to see Messi do some shit if he's playing. But when it comes to baseball, it's the only sport where like I can legitimately go and watch a three game series. And the best player perhaps of all time in Mike Trout doesn't do shit. Not. Cause it's his fault.
- [21:25]
Jeremy Tache
I just had this experience. The Angels were in town. I took my son to his second baseball game for all time, right? I sat pretty much in the batter's box for $115. Ron Washington is like six feet away from me. My man Mike. Always gonna be my man, Ron Washington. Deny, deny, deny. It's the.
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Mike Ryan
I tried it.
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Jeremy Tache
Hey, come on, man.
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Dan LeBatard
You know, who among us, who among us hasn't been curious?
- [21:47]
Jeremy Tache
Exactly. You know, how does this smell? So, so I'm sitting there and Mike Trout comes up and I tell him like, yo, this is like the Mickey Mantle of our generation. So I was like, okay.
- [21:59]
Roy Bellamy
And they're like four pitches.
- [22:01]
Jeremy Tache
Walk them. Yeah. No, he gets walked and. And then. And Then the rain starts and then we go back into the concourse and I'm like, damn, this experience really wasn't what I thought it would be. I think baseball has an issue with accentuating the dopeness and the intricacies. Like the turning of a double play and how athletic it is. We've become like, it's kind of what the dunk used to be for us. And then Sports Center. Everybody was like, oh, everybody dunks too much. And now we don't get anybody to bodies. We don't accentuate certain things that the. That should be marketed. I think that's what happens in baseball far too often. And we get these issues.
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Jon Weiner
I always talk about the dopeness of.
- [22:35]
Roy Bellamy
The intricacies in anything in my life. I want that I have dopeness or any intricacies.
- [22:43]
Mike Ryan
Two of the things that jumped out.
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Roy Bellamy
I gotta say that word.
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Mike Ryan
Two of the things that jumped out to me as you were talking was one. You tried to sell Mike Trout to your 8 year old son by saying he's like Mickey Mantle. Yeah, your son.
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Jeremy Tache
I was trying.
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Mike Ryan
Your 8 year old son is a big Mickey Mantle guy.
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Jeremy Tache
I was trying to give him a frame of reference. You dropped these names on him so that when they're 15.
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Jessie P. H. M. H.
No, you gotta compare him to a basketball player.
- [23:07]
Mike Ryan
You gotta compare him. He's like Lamar Jackson, my little Bob Cuzio.
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Jeremy Tache
My little guy's a gymnast. So I. Hey, Frederick Richard from the University of Michigan. That's what he's like.
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Jessie P. H. M. H.
I love that guy.
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Jeremy Tache
Yeah, you don't even know love that guy. You don't know who that guy. He was on Team usa.
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Mike Ryan
Oh, there you go.
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Jeremy Tache
There you go.
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Mike Ryan
Thanks, Jess. Jess got your back.
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Roy Bellamy
That's the guy with the glasses that was on Dancing with the Stars.
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Jessie P. H. M. H.
No, it wasn't. That was the pommel horse guy.
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Dan LeBatard
Oh, you actually know. I thought you were being funny. He's on tv. Like that's a great guess.
- [23:32]
Jeremy Tache
Thank you, thank you.
- [23:34]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
No, I actually know stuff.
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Jeremy Tache
There was no frame of reference. There was no frame of reference.
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Jessie P. H. M. H.
Do it. I dare you.
- [23:39]
Jeremy Tache
By the way, another Chicago shot. We're going to have to arm wrestle.
- [23:43]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
He only goes Chicago in like February. And he's like, this stinks.
- [23:46]
Dan LeBatard
I've been every season possible. The weather is always the same.
- [23:50]
Jeremy Tache
It's the greatest summer city in the world. What are you talking about?
- [23:53]
Dan LeBatard
Absolutely not. What are you talking about? I went there in the summer. It was raining. It rained the whole time.
- [23:57]
Jeremy Tache
Because your sadness brought the rain. That's why you're bringing dark clouds over there. Exactly. No pun intended, man.
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Mike Ryan
What the hell is going on?
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Jeremy Tache
Dark clouds. I like right now.
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Mike Ryan
Oh, and we got Roy. I think we set a new record.
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Jeremy Tache
The blackest show ever.
- [24:13]
Dan LeBatard
Wait, later, when juju comes on. Oh, critical mass.
- [24:16]
Jeremy Tache
Oh, boy.
- [24:17]
Dan LeBatard
Critical mass. This is the last time I went to Chicago. I got invited to an after party.
- [24:22]
Jeremy Tache
That's a bad start.
- [24:24]
Dan LeBatard
Hold on. It's a bad. It's a bad start. Wait till the finish. And it's like, oh, it's at the studio. I'm like, whose studio? Well, Rob's gonna be there. Rob's gonna be there. I'm like, rob, Rob, Rob. And then I realized, so an R. Kelly. I got invited to an R. Kelly after party in the studio in Chicago. And I was like, I'm gonna go home. A lot of girls there. I. I have no idea.
- [24:44]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Roy.
- [24:44]
Dan LeBatard
I didn't. Didn't want to find out. I think there was a. What? There was a.
- [24:48]
Jeremy Tache
He just sent a pallet of Capri Suns over to. The location. Is like, hey, guys, this is my. This is my.
- [24:54]
Dan LeBatard
There was a molecule of curiosity. I was like, I mean, this is going to be the greatest story you'll ever be able to tell. And then I was like, absolutely not. When that raid happens. And then it's like.
- [25:04]
Jeremy Tache
And then you're a witness in court.
- [25:05]
Dan LeBatard
Witness in court. Like, I'm gonna be like, that picture.
- [25:08]
Jeremy Tache
Like, so the third market in the country.
- [25:12]
Mike Ryan
Defendant.
- [25:13]
Jeremy Tache
You. The only thing that you had happen that was interesting is being invited to an R. Kelly after party.
- [25:21]
Dan LeBatard
Pretty much, that's the most important.
- [25:22]
Jeremy Tache
All the people that you know in the NBA, all the people that you might know in that city. That's what brought its way across your agenda.
- [25:29]
Dan LeBatard
I have this argument with a lot of people in my life, a lot of people either from Chicago or love Chicago. And I'm like, I don't like it. I. Would you tell me right now?
- [25:40]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
We started having this argument, and then I was like, you know what? We don't like you either. Don't go back.
- [25:45]
Jeremy Tache
I did not notice all these years.
- [25:47]
Dan LeBatard
That I've, you know, this is why you never saw. You never see me up there. I would tell you right now if someone said, I mean, you got to spend a month. Doesn't matter what season it is. Well, okay, let's say summertime. Say a month in Chicago or a month in Milwaukee. Send me to Milwaukee.
- [26:00]
Jeremy Tache
Are you kidding me?
- [26:00]
Dan LeBatard
I love Milwaukee. Milwaukee. I love Milwaukee.
- [26:02]
Jeremy Tache
All right.
- [26:03]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Milwaukee.
- [26:05]
Jeremy Tache
This is ridiculous.
- [26:06]
Dan LeBatard
Milwaukee. What I'm gonna tell you, I'm Gonna tell you why.
- [26:08]
Jeremy Tache
Because you go to the Fister Hotel and get cheese curds, and then you're done for the. For the entire. What are you gonna do the next 29 days?
- [26:15]
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, I'm gonna tell you.
- [26:16]
Jeremy Tache
What are you talking about?
- [26:17]
Dan LeBatard
I'm gonna tell you why Milwaukee is.
- [26:18]
Mike Ryan
Because you're a contrarian. You're the guy.
- [26:20]
Jeremy Tache
It's.
- [26:20]
Mike Ryan
You're the guy. Everybody likes this. I cannot believe.
- [26:24]
Dan LeBatard
Dumb.
- [26:24]
Jeremy Tache
I cannot believe this. I'm legit.
- [26:26]
Dan LeBatard
I'm gonna tell you why.
- [26:27]
Taylor
Because.
- [26:27]
Dan LeBatard
Because Milwaukee. The people in Milwaukee are like, eh, it's Milwaukee, man. Like. And I'm like, you know what? Like, I came in trying not to like it. They're like, ah, man, it's what we got.
- [26:36]
Roy Bellamy
They set your expectations low.
- [26:38]
Dan LeBatard
No, they were just cool about it. They understood their place in life. And once I was like, okay, Chicago.
- [26:43]
Jeremy Tache
People need to get Now.
- [26:44]
Dan LeBatard
Chicago people, this is it. This is the greatest city. Like, what he does. I'm like, man, please.
- [26:49]
Jeremy Tache
The greatest summer city in the world.
- [26:51]
Dan LeBatard
Give me LA or New York anytime.
- [26:52]
Jon Weiner
What is the.
- [26:53]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
No, New York in the summer is.
- [26:54]
Mike Ryan
Oh, I love it.
- [26:55]
Dan LeBatard
It.
- [26:55]
Roy Bellamy
What is the ideal summer day in Chicago? Like, when you say best summer city? Like, what are you doing?
- [26:59]
Jeremy Tache
Oh, my God. You can go. You can go to the. The art museums.
- [27:03]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
You have to go ride your bike on the Lakeshore.
- [27:06]
Jeremy Tache
Right? You can go on a Magnificent Mile.
- [27:07]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Drink outside. It's warm, but it's not humid. Chris, you wouldn't even believe what that feels.
- [27:12]
Roy Bellamy
I'm asking.
- [27:13]
Dan LeBatard
I'm just saying.
- [27:14]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
You can't fathom warmth without humidity. Broward brain could not comprehend.
- [27:21]
Jeremy Tache
Broward brain is outstanding.
- [27:22]
Roy Bellamy
I'm sweating just. Just thinking about heat.
- [27:24]
Jon Weiner
It's also just the happiest summer city.
- [27:26]
Dan LeBatard
Everyone's so happy to be outside. Oh, this is so much better than us. Shut up. All you have to do is compare yourselves to real cities.
- [27:33]
Mike Ryan
People are skipping real cities.
- [27:34]
Dan LeBatard
Real cities.
- [27:35]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
It's a giant.
- [27:35]
Dan LeBatard
And you got an airport that closes. It's the second city. It's the third.
- [27:39]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
At best.
- [27:40]
Jeremy Tache
It's the second city because the first one burned down. We were strong enough to build ourselves back.
- [27:44]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Exactly.
- [27:44]
Jeremy Tache
That's why it's the second.
- [27:45]
Dan LeBatard
It should have burnt it down a second time.
- [27:46]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
My grandma grew up on the street where the great Chicago Fire started, right?
- [27:50]
Jeremy Tache
Oh, white privilege.
- [27:52]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
But she was. It was like 40 years later.
- [27:56]
Dan LeBatard
For her, for her grandma.
- [28:01]
Jeremy Tache
We had to put it back together. No, no, seriously, though, I did not know you felt this strongly about this. We need. Hey, can we. Can we do A field trip.
- [28:08]
Dan LeBatard
Okay, so can we do a field trip?
- [28:09]
Jeremy Tache
I'm in.
- [28:10]
Dan LeBatard
Yes.
- [28:10]
Jeremy Tache
Can you come through? All right, let's go. Let's go. Cody.
- [28:13]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
I mean, it's a city where. It's a big city. You can do a lot of things, but it doesn't cost you $26 to get a cocktail.
- [28:20]
Jeremy Tache
It's the best.
- [28:21]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Unless you go to, like, the tourist places that your friends took you to.
- [28:23]
Roy Bellamy
Best food city.
- [28:24]
Jeremy Tache
Best food city.
- [28:25]
Roy Bellamy
Can't be better than New York.
- [28:26]
Jeremy Tache
Absolute bear.
- [28:27]
Dan LeBatard
Let's go.
- [28:28]
Jon Weiner
You know what you guys can't do, though? Go to a playing game, because the Heat are going to end up hosting that 910 matchup.
- [28:33]
Dan LeBatard
Tell them, Jackie.
- [28:35]
Jeremy Tache
All right, there it is.
- [28:35]
Mike Ryan
Jackie with the M.E. dumped on y'all.
- [28:38]
Jeremy Tache
I'm so disappointed that you feel this way, man.
- [28:41]
Dan LeBatard
Look, we got to do.
- [28:41]
Jeremy Tache
We got to change.
- [28:42]
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, we do a Detroit field trip too.
- [28:44]
Jeremy Tache
And I'm going to take you to some actual Chicago places, too, not just the places where d. Federales. Yeah. No, never that. No, that's where he went. Really? You went to Federalis to throw. To throw shots at any of barrels?
- [28:57]
Dan LeBatard
Do you trying to throw the shot?
- [28:58]
Jon Weiner
I mean, is this what it comes back to?
- [29:00]
Jeremy Tache
Did you really do.
- [29:00]
Dan LeBatard
To throw the shot there? The ice shot?
- [29:02]
Jeremy Tache
Oh, that was.
- [29:03]
Dan LeBatard
That was like the pinnacle of Chicago.
- [29:05]
Jon Weiner
How bad was the throw?
- [29:06]
Dan LeBatard
No, I hit it. Don't believe it. The bell range.
- [29:10]
Jeremy Tache
Did you have some deep dish pizza too? Did you have like the thing that no one eats there?
- [29:14]
Dan LeBatard
While we're going over on time? Let me just address something. Charl. Look at the back right here.
- [29:18]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Easy on deep dish pizza, by the way.
- [29:19]
Jeremy Tache
Look at the production. Pete, over here.
- [29:21]
Charlie
Charlie, pizza pie.
- [29:22]
Dan LeBatard
You think? Think you hold on. You think that my uber bad athlete. My Uber rating is low because you have me talking to Uber drivers. That's what you think?
- [29:33]
Jon Weiner
No, I had you drunk in Ubers.
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- [32:43]
Taylor
Don LeBatard It's a 3. The crowd goes into a delusion. Winning in the playoffs, not an illusion. It's a he.
- [32:54]
Jeremy Tache
Check.
- [32:54]
Charlie
He's on fire.
- [32:56]
Jeremy Tache
Stugats, Harry us.
- [32:58]
Charlie
Jalen Bronson, thumbs up.
- [33:02]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Clutch.
- [33:02]
Charlie
That's why we won. New York knows you are the best.
- [33:09]
Taylor
Not the joke no more.
- [33:12]
Jeremy Tache
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.
- [33:15]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Welcome back to God Bless March Madness presented by Priceline. Dreaming about that trip? Book it and go to your happy price with Priceline. Taylor and I are going to talk about a little Final Four action coming up this weekend. On the men's side, Taylor, who do we got?
- [33:32]
Taylor
It is Florida versus Auburn in a battle of two of the best teams from the sec. And then we have Duke versus Houston. Jess, I hate to say this with this Duke team.
- [33:42]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Don't say it.
- [33:43]
Taylor
It's their tournament.
- [33:44]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Oh, no.
- [33:45]
Taylor
It's their tournament to lose.
- [33:47]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
I mean, that's going to make it even better if they do lose a game. And then everyone posts the White Lotus meme of Jason Isaac's holding. That Duke was like, we hate this meme.
- [33:57]
Taylor
This Duke team, they just have, like, such unbelievable size. Everybody in their rotation, including their point guards, they're all bigger than. Than six foot five. And with this Duke team, Duke's always had the NBA talent, the lottery picks. But the way this team has kind of been playing together has been unbelievable to watch and, you know, to. To steal a line from Andrew Hawkins. I like. I like this Houston team.
- [34:21]
Jeremy Tache
I like them.
- [34:22]
Taylor
I like every team that's about to play Duke until they play Duke. And that's where I'm kind of running into with this Houston team.
- [34:30]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Houston, Tennessee was a tough watch, right? Like one of the. One of the toughest watches of the tournament. 30 points through, like, 30 minutes of play.
- [34:39]
Taylor
And Houston. Houston kind of has that strategy where out of the 364 teams in college basketball, they're like 360th in adjusted tempo. So they're trying to drag you down into the mud. But this Duke team is unbelievably efficient. It's Ken Palm's number one offense, Duke versus the number one defense in Ken Palm. Houston.
- [35:01]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Oh, Taylor, what does that mean?
- [35:03]
Taylor
You know. You know what that means.
- [35:05]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Should we say it on the count of three?
- [35:06]
Taylor
One, two, three.
- [35:08]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Something's got to give. We totally didn't plan that. Okay, we're going to talk about the other game, too, in the men's tournament, and then I'm going to talk a little bit about Final Four matchup in the women's Tournament. So what can you tell me about this Florida Auburn SEC showdown this weekend?
- [35:24]
Taylor
Yeah, this is a rematch from a game where Florida won at Auburn. And this Florida team feels like they've been playing with fire this whole tournament where UConn, they have the crazy comeback against UConn, they have a crazy comeback against Texas Tech where it looked like they were dead. A lot of people are comparing Walter Clayton Jr. To Steph Curry. In the words of Stu Gotts, don't do it. Don't do it. Stop, please. But, yeah, Walter Clayton has been unbelievable, and this is just a win. Win for the sec because somebody has to get in. Auburn comes in with some injury concerns. Janai Broome is expected to play, but if he's not 100%, it's. It's tough to see how Auburn can beat this loaded Florida team without their SEC Player of the year at. At 100%.
- [36:10]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
So you think this is Auburn and Duke in the. In the final? That's your prediction?
- [36:14]
Taylor
I think. No. Duke. Duke. Florida.
- [36:16]
Jeremy Tache
Duke. Florida.
- [36:17]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Duke. Florida.
- [36:17]
Jeremy Tache
Okay.
- [36:17]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Okay. Yeah, got it. Interesting. I am really happy that everyone who picked one sees this year in their Final Four was rewarded in the men's tournament. That's always fun when. When, like, the least knowledgeable person in your group of friends is, like, winning. Winning. Because they just picked all the ones to go through. That's my sister.
- [36:34]
Taylor
It's a good strategy.
- [36:35]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
That's my sister. She also. She just. She does the silliest thing. She'll pick, like, she picked Green Bay to beat Alabama in the women's tournament bracket that we made. And I'm like, how are you so chalky in the men's one, and then in the women's one, you were like, yeah, let me just pick this crazy upset real quick. God bless her. She does not watch sports. But we're going to talk a little bit about another SEC Final Four matchup, which is South Carolina, the Gamecocks, Don Staley's Gamecocks Cox, the defending national champions, against Texas, a team that they've already played several times this year. Because when they made the women's tournament bracket, they were like, what if we just put UCLA and USC on one side, the Big Ten championship teams, and South Carolina and Texas on the other side, the SEC championship teams, and then hope that maybe they won't just play against each other again in the Final Four round? Well, that's almost what happened, except for the fact that UConn upset. Not really an upset, because JuJu Watkins obviously went out with the ACL issue injury in the second round of the tournament. But UConn's very, very good. But they're only two seeds, so they're going to be playing against UCLA on one side and then the other side, South Carolina, Texas, like I mentioned. So it's been an interesting tournament for South Carolina. Obviously last year they were undefeated. They were a team that was just blowing people out. They were just so dominant. And this year that has not been the case. They've been grinding out wins against really good teams, but they haven't been winning by, you know, multiple possessions, like big margins. It hasn't really been that easy for them. That, that doesn't mean though that they can't win the national championship. I think they are fully capable of playing in the national championship game and I think that's probably what's going to happen. If I, if I had to guess, these teams played against each other like three weeks ago in the SEC tournament championship, like I said, and man, Texas had no gas in that game. It was 64 to 45, complete blowout. Madison Booker, who's Texas's best player? She was SEC player of the year. She's sort of been not a non factor in these South Carolina games. And so that's going to be a huge key for Texas. They're a great defensive team and if they can hold South Carolina's scoring to as low as possible, there's a real chance. But they don't shoot the three ball really well at all Texas. So that's a really tough, it's really tough. When you're playing in South Carolina who has a deep bench, they have like a player like Malaysia Full Wiley who can come off the bench and just completely take over offensively. It's going to be, I think, a South Carolina win, but I'm hoping it's a better game than the last time these two teams played each other.
- [39:05]
Taylor
If you tell me a team's not a good three point shooting team, I almost automatically cross them off.
- [39:10]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
I mean, they're still, they were still a 1 seed in this tournament. Like Texas is still, I want to give them some credit, like they're still a very, very good team and their defense is excellent. The TCU Texas game in the Elite Eight round was an extremely low scoring affair. It was not pretty and I think that, yeah, it's eventually like that's gonna, it's gonna hurt you when you don't have that. And they, I think they're, they were 1 for 8 the last time they played against South Carolina from 3 so like I said, I think South Carolina wins that game. According to ESPN, Texas is 23 and oh, when opponents shoot less than 40%. So that's the, I guess the magic number for Texas is like shut them down as much as you can defensively and try to get Madison Booker to cook on offense and have a better field goal percentage than the last couple times she's played against South Carolina. The last time they met, she was held to 14 of 13 shooting. So I predict Don Saly's team will be playing in the national championship game, who she's playing against. Well, and we will find out on the other side of the, the old Final Four bracket because UCLA and UConn. I kind of like UConn more just because their offense has, has more. They can spread the ball out to more players and have more players just have go like go off and have crazy nights. Paige Beckers is obviously the best women's basketball player left in this tournament. She's going to be a number one overall pick in the WMA draft coming up. And she's had a legendary career at UConn. And her 105 points in the last three games is the most prolific three game stretch in UConn history. And that is saying a lot because UConn history is littered with some of the best women's basketball players ever in the whole world. So I think this game, I think it's going to be a good game. Lauren Betts, who is UCLA star big, she's 6, 7 and UConn really doesn't have a lot of height that they can match up with her, but they're big, I guess. Sarah Strong, she's sort of playing like a more versatile position. She's not quite as big as Lauren Betts, but she's been playing really, really well. And she can sort of shoot from anywhere on the floor. So that's going to be a really interesting matchup to watch. I think that I give UConn the edge because, because Gino Ariema is just, he's a legendary head coach. He knows what he's doing. He knows how to win these games and to win these sorts of matchups. And I think that they have more guards that can have 20, 30 point games. If you shut down one of them, you still have to deal with like two or three more. Um, and that's a Fudd and Sarah Strong and Paige Beckers and Caitlin Chen even had a huge game in the Elite Eight round. So I'm really looking forward to this game. I give the edge to UConn. But if UCLA did win, they were the number one overall seed in this tournament. They are a really good team. And when they do have the support from the rest of the team to. To, like, help play through the post and also shoot on the perimeter, they're obviously really, really good, too. So I'm excited for these two games, Taylor, but if I had to pick right Now, I'd say UConn, South Carolina.
- [41:56]
Taylor
And after the injury that Paige Becker's had, this feels like this would be kind of like the storybook ending to her. Yeah, UConn career.
- [42:03]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Absolutely. She's had so many injuries, but she's had this, like, long, prolific Yukon career and is about to have, hopefully a long, prolific WNBA career. She's a great player to watch, and it's super fun player to watch play.
- [42:13]
Dan LeBatard
So.
- [42:14]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
So Friday night, Final Four women's NCAA Tournament, Taylor winner. Our men's game Saturday got Saturday and then Monday championship. Exciting stuff. Wow.
- [42:24]
Taylor
I'm sad it's coming to an end.
- [42:25]
Dan LeBatard
I know.
- [42:25]
Jessie P. H. M. H.
Me too. It's been so fun. God bless March Madness.
- [42:28]
Charlie
Weather is starting to warm up. Regular season starting to wind down. Games of consequence in sports starting to ramp up. I know what you're gonna need by your side. It's by my side already.
- [42:39]
Jeremy Tache
Already.
- [42:40]
Charlie
Miller Lite. Yeah, that's right. I'm making my springtime a Miller Time. I'm making my sports time. Miller Time. Going to a car race Miller Time. Gonna see some tennis. Miller Time. Gonna chill in the backyard with some friends and make some memories. Miller time. I love Miller Lite because it's got taste that I know I can depend on. No games, no gimmicks. It's that simple, folks. It's just a great beer. For people who like beer, Miller Lite is brewed for taste. It hits different than the other light beers. It's got simple ingredients, and at just 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces, Miller Time is always a good time. The original light beer since 1975 and still the very best one. Miller Lite.
- [43:23]
Jeremy Tache
Great taste.
- [43:24]
Charlie
96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Tastes like Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. Hey, audience. You know, it's that time of year where everyone is debating who the number one pick is going to be. Well, let me tell you something. That is undebatable. Who the world's number one vodka is. That is Smirnoff. And as fun as it is to debate whether or not the team with the number one pick goes past Russia, wide, receiver, quarterback, one thing that we all know is we're going with Smirnoff as our number one vodka pick. Isn't that right, Dano?
- [44:07]
Dan LeBatard
Smirnoff rules.
- [44:08]
Jon Weiner
Smirnoff rules.
- [44:10]
Charlie
So while you're over there hosting your draft parties, you know one thing in particular you need. Well, there's two things that you absolutely need. The draft on tv, that's a must. But number two, what is it? Dano Smirnoff. Do you like Dano?
- [44:22]
Dan LeBatard
Support the people who support us? Smirnoff support. I like Smirnoff. I don't like Dano.
- [44:28]
Charlie
And thanks to Smirnoff, God Bless Football is doing their first ever watch along livestream in front of a live audience in Nashville, Tennessee. Join God Bless Football during round one of the draft on the Levittard Show YouTube channel on April 24th. More details to come. Please drink responsibly. Smirnoff number 21 vodka distilled from grain, 40% alcohol by volume. The Smirnoff Company, New York, New York. Please do not share with anyone under legal drinking age.
- [44:53]
Dan LeBatard
Woohoo.