Hour 1: The Farm Machine

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 1: The Farm Machine

Date: October 6, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Mike Ryan, Chris, Billy
Location: The Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Overview

In this episode, the crew digs into a wild weekend of football, focusing on the ongoing saga of Baker Mayfield's redemption, the downfall of Bill Belichick’s legacy, and the evolving landscape of both NFL and college football coaching. With their signature blend of wit, irreverence, and Miami-centric banter, the show explores major storylines like the resilience of quarterbacks, shifting power structures in football, and what truly makes a sports icon. The episode also features laugh-out-loud moments, hot takes, and some classic Dan-versus-Mike philosophical sparring.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Baker Mayfield's “Redemption Arc”

(01:13 – 09:55)

• Baker Mayfield’s Narrative: The hosts celebrate Baker Mayfield’s persistence and authenticity, contrasting his journey with privileged stars like Tom Brady.
• Quarterback Celebrity: Mike Ryan discusses the difference between good QBs and the select few who get to become household names and lead TV careers post-retirement (e.g., Tony Romo, Mark Sanchez).
• Cleveland & Carolina’s Follies: The crew lambastes the Browns and Panthers for mismanagement, wasted assets, and their failure to recognize Mayfield or Darnold's potential.
• Mayfield vs. Brady: A recurring thread explores the roots of likability—Baker’s genuine edge and emotional connection versus Brady’s corporate polish.

Notable Quote:
“Baker Mayfield’s real. Like, whatever that is has been on display for a long time. That part's super interesting to me…” — Mike Ryan (08:04)

Timestamps:

• Mayfield as the polarizing outlaw—(01:13–03:00)
• Mayfield’s humility in the league—(03:58–05:18)
• Browns/Panthers’ quarterback mismanagement—(05:19–06:20)
• Comparing Mayfield to Brady—(06:58–10:07)

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2. The Unraveling of Bill Belichick’s Legacy

(10:07 – 16:22; 21:30–29:44)

• Coaching Myths Debunked: The show explores how Belichick's reputation has crumbled post-Brady, as he's exposed by the new realities of college football—a space where NFL-style genius falls flat without recruitment and NIL leverage.
• Schadenfreude & Regret: Mike Ryan expresses "remorse and regret" for past criticisms of Saban, contrasting Saban's graceful exit with Belichick's awkward coda.
• Kraft vs. Belichick: The panel sees Kraft and Brady “winning” the divorce, while Belichick can’t adjust to college.
• Comparison to Historic Coaches: Dan draws analogies to Don Shula and Vince Lombardi, underscoring the unprecedented nature of Belichick’s decline.

Notable Quotes:
“He is disgracing himself with what all of us thought was... smarter than everyone else. And the legacy and the resume prove it. In all the competing that Brady, him, and Kraft and the Kraft family do... the Krafts can sit here and say... hey, organizations win, Bill. Organizations win. And Brady would say, no, I won.” — Mike Ryan (22:20)

"Without Tom Brady as his quarterback, his record reflects that of Dave Wannstedt. Not the greatest of all time." — Dan Le Batard (29:30)

Timestamps:

• Collapse of coaching icons—(10:07–12:16; 21:30–24:06; 24:43–26:56)
• Comparing Saban’s end with Belichick’s—(21:30–22:07)
• Belichick’s reputation vs. reality in college—(24:06–29:30)

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3. Football Weekend Roundup: NFL and College Hot Takes

(15:41–21:30; 32:32–39:30)

• Wild NFL Parity: The show debates what’s more important—coaches or quarterbacks? The case of Bo Nix and Sean Payton in Denver exemplifies the league’s unpredictability.
• Dolphins’ Defensive Disaster: Miami’s defense is roasted for failing to stop anyone, juxtaposing this with the way other teams are built to “run the ball and flex a muscle.”
• Darren Waller and Reception of Takes: Dan’s recent skepticism about Waller gets vindicated on-air, providing a meta-commentary on their own fan discourse.
• Funniest Moments Segment: Standout moments include a Bills fan stealing a game ball (37:31), chaos at a Lightning-Panthers hockey brawl (39:07), and team “farm machine” analogies.

Notable Quotes:
“The Dolphins cannot run the ball, and every single team in the league will run for 300 yards on them.” — Mike Ryan (34:17)
“It's a little militaristically weird... Our footballs are precious things. Only certain people can have them. No fan can run off with it. It's got microchips. No one can deflate-gate.” — Mike Ryan (37:51)

Timestamps:

• NFL/college weekend review—(15:41–16:58; 17:26–18:55)
• Funniest Thing from the Sports Weekend—(37:15–39:07)

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4. Metaphors & The "Farm Machine" Bit

(41:12 – 43:14)

• In a classic Dan-and-Mike riff session, the show tries to name the massive farm equipment that best represents the unstoppable run games of the Eagles and Lions, eventually settling on a “combine.”
• The metaphor becomes a running joke about football teams as agricultural juggernauts.

Notable Quote:
“That right there, that is them. That is Eagles offensive line right there... the farm machine.” — Mike Ryan (43:14)

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Memorable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• “We’re gonna let our quarterback win these games for us…doesn’t matter how good your defense is, because that is a brilliant defense that Seattle has, and it didn't matter.”
  — Dan Le Batard (06:20)

• “America loves redemption, right? We've seen Baker be humbled... We saw him run DN for the scout team in Carolina. We saw him go send over to the Rams and played on Thursday night with 36 minutes of studying the playbook.”
  — Billy (09:26)

• “How much national shame? This is not the same. The Colts rebounded from Mitchell doing this at the goal line...”
  — Mike Ryan (16:58) (referencing weirdness in NFL outcomes)

• “If right now I played this baseball game and I had all of these players having all of these fights, there would be arrests, a basketball game if I did this. This is not... this many penalty minutes...”
  — Mike Ryan (39:57) (on hockey brawls vs. other sports)

• “That’s the farm machine. Farm machine. Thank you. That right there, that is them.”
  — Mike Ryan (43:14)

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Segment Timestamps

• Baker Mayfield & QB Celebrities — 01:13–10:07
• NFL Power, Brady/Belichick, Coaching Legacies — 10:07–16:22
• NFL/College Week Review & Coaches vs. QBs — 15:41–21:30
• Saban vs. Belichick, Legacy, Media Legacies — 21:30–29:44
• Funniest Thing from Sports Weekend — 37:15–39:07
• “Farm Machine” Metaphor Bit — 41:12–43:14

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Summary/Takeaways

The episode masterfully pivots from Baker Mayfield’s rise, which acts as both a psychological case study and a sports business critique, to the unraveling of legends like Belichick. The hosts interrogate what resilience, authenticity, and legacy mean in modern sports, blending insider analysis with the kind of chaotic, warm humor that defines the show. Football itself is presented as both a chess match of personalities and an absurdist spectacle—sometimes a carefully scripted plow, sometimes a brawl, sometimes a punchline.

For fans and newcomers alike, this episode is a microcosm of the show’s best: smart, self-aware, and always ready to laugh at both sports and themselves.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

The Baker story is a cool one when I tell it through the context of what it takes to be one of the people who gets the privilege of being a star at that position in America which makes you in the game that these guys to dust. One of the 1015 guys allowed to be a superstar. Not a fantasy sports superstar. Not the guy that your league loves to have. No one of the quarterbacks who gets to be Mark Sanchez walking around in retirement with a great broadcasting career because once we anoint you here, you got a broadcasting job for life as I'm Americana. I told you my story in college when I was at Oklahoma and the school mattered more when I was there when I ran Johnny Manziel off the road and I'm the guy with the video that you can see me trying to run away from the cops. I'm an outlaw. People are all polarized by him as he gets to the pros. Not unlike Tua. Polarizing guy. Why is he polarizing? Polarizing guy. Cleveland has expectations for the first time in 30 years. Never should have done it. Swallows him whole. Odell Beckham ends his career Travis Landry thanks for trying. Wouldn't want to limp through retirement with you because of how you had to play trying to keep that shit machine at 500. The ship machine. Browns don't have anything good. Can't be trusted with anything good. Spend all their money on a quarterback and are crippled for forever no matter who they play back there. 17 points in the last 10 games. That's how you're uninteresting. The same way you were when you were 1 in 31 for two seasons. Franchise done. Miles Garrett, you should have forced your way out of there. They're going to eat up your career and it's not going to be worth it. And you're tired at the end of the games and look, it's Carson Wentz and Minnesota's bastard. They. They'll do things with Flores. Your career is going to be wasted there, Miles. It's going to be a bummer.

[Dan Le Batard]

He seems aware it's.

[Mike Ryan]

He'll make. They'll make him quit the way that the Lions once made Calvin Johnson quit and Barry Sanders quit. Because you can't. You can't play physically that way and be ravaged by that sport. But the Baker Mayfield story. I want to talk about this for a second because you're not really allowed to come and ransack the league from behind on a horse collar because no, no, no, you guys left me for dead back there. And I had one Monday night game with McVay and I got back in the game and now me and Sam Darnold got back to the riches. When there are 10 of these jobs in America like these things eat everybody up. But what is it? Is it 10? Is it 15? How many quarterbacks? Sam Darnold's a football player. He's not a star. I'm talking about the guys who get to be personality and story. And this guy's got. Playing the whole game. What's the equivalent of the modern equivalent of what used to be the cigarettes tied up in the sleeve of the shoulder pads like this. He's. He's John Wayning his way to victories on the road. When Sam Darnold's playing out of his.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mind, all the games are going the exact same way. It's kind of like Philip Rivers in a way, with the same kind of attitude. And what I love so much about Baker Mayfield, outside of his playing style, which I think everybody. There's consensus. He's fun to watch. He is a great player to watch. And everybody roots for those situations at the end of games because they know they. He has the arm talent and the moxie to get the ball downfield. And he's going to try. He's going to give it his best. He was humbled by this league. But the Humbling came by running scout team defensive end for Carolina. He had to save his career. Thank God for Sean McVay, because if it wasn't for that, we probably don't have Baker Mayfield doing this on Sunday. But he didn't change his personality. He kept to his authentic self. He's out there mixing it up with fans before and after the game, finding them after the game. He had every reason to change his approach to the game. He remained true to himself, to his playing style, to his guts, guile, to his attitude. I'm so happy.

[Mike Ryan]

But you're doing. You're doing a bunch of guile and moxie. And I just want to go back to the arguments we had back before you got desean Watson, when you were an actual Browns fan. And I was saying, why would Baker Mayfield keep trying to get three more yards to get this thing to 500 when he's clearly playing hurt? We saw what he looked like. And then he's giving himself to this cause and it's going to ruin his career. It's going to end his career.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's moxie.

[Mike Ryan]

None of that is moxie. That's crazy. What I'm. What I'm describing to you is scout team, defensive end for Carolina. Go, Mike. Find that tweet you send me the other day. Of all the things Carolina has given up to try and find a quarterback when they had Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield and had to get let go of both of them because clearly Carolina never knows what it's doing at professional sports. The only time they're any good at anything is when North Carolina basketball makes them feel good at something. Sure. Shit is never the football team.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have it here. I did the. I did the math, took inventory. A total of five first round draft picks, 2 seconds, 1 third, 2 fourths, DJ Moore, and a staggering $230 million guaranteed for the privilege of having DeSean Watson and Bryce Young play quarterback over Baker Mayfield for your franchise.

[Mike Ryan]

They had Sam Darnold and Baker Mayfield, and losing organizations are going to be losing organizations. That's what the jets are and that's what the Browns are and.

[Dan Le Batard]

But that's what the Bucks are supposed to be. Without Tom Brady and this guy, you couldn't pick a tougher guy to follow and a more different dude, by the way. Yeah, he does the LFG stuff, but his approach is different. That's why last year in Tom Brady's greatest moment as a broadcaster, you kind of saw the difference in their approach. And Tom Brady kind of took offense to it. They have an identity. Their identity is as clear as anybody's in the league. We're going to let our quarterback win these games for us, and he's going to check with his receivers, and he's going to go downfield. And doesn't matter how good your defense is, because that is a brilliant defense that Seattle has, and it didn't matter.

[Mike Ryan]

Let me. Let me frame this, though, a different way for you, because when we talk about stars and faces for this league, okay, One of the reasons they're giving Brady that much money to be abroad broadcasters, because if they keep America tethered to the broadcast. Hey, that's Tony Romo. I remember him. They keep the quarterbacks in your living room on Sundays because Troy Aikman's one of the voices, and I remember when he. His best season was 20 touchdowns. Like the way that they continue to grow the sport through all of its voices and everything that they're doing. Baker Mayfield, Tom Brady, from on high, lorded down during the broadcast. As Mike just said, it was the most interesting broadcast moment he had is because that's not the way he would have done it. But this is the way Baker does it. And when I think about likability, I like Baker a lot more than I do Brady. And I know, Brady, you're the winner. You get to win at everything. But that seems more authentic to me, flaws and all, than whatever it is you're grinning about with your perfect teeth and saying nothing during the broadcast, even though I know you know shit. But you've got so many corporate conflicts and compromises that you can't say anything through that grit teeth except, give me more money. Like, there's no it's all, like, stamped on your face. I can't professionally broadcast here. I'm too compromised. I've got too many sponsors. Baker Mayfield's real. Like, whatever that is has been on display for a long time. That. That part's super interesting to me, right? When I see what happens to Belichick, I see Kraft try to redo the story. I see Brady try to redo the story over here. And now Drake May's the star in New England, and they get to take over with Vrabel. And, oh, look, Belichick wasn't actually all of those special things. He kind of needed the quarterback who thought he was responsible for it. And at the end, Brady win. He always wins. But what does he do with. What I think a lot of us would say is, I like Baker more. You're selling all these brands, but I like that. That seems flawed and weird and, oh, look at what happens when it's the arrogance without all the talent and winning. And you had it like, Brady comes from privilege cooperatively, right? Like seventh round pick, but didn't have to go through what Baker did.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, people liking it more seemed to be the thing that got under Tom's perfect skin last year is like, this team has really rallied around Baker, and Baker's saying, look, I got a different way of doing it. And Tom Brady's like, but my way of doing it has me as the greatest of all time winning a championship for this franchise. Baker's a vibes guy.

[Billy]

I think the thing is America loves redemption, right? We've seen Baker be humbled. We've seen him be the best. We've seen him be chased by police. We've seen him win the Heisman. We've seen him gone in the first round. We saw him broken in front of us. We saw him run DN for the scout team in Carolina. We saw him go send over to the Rams and played on Thursday night with 36 minutes of studying the.

[Dan Le Batard]

The.

[Mike Ryan]

The.

[Dan Le Batard]

The playbook.

[Billy]

And then with Brady, there's never been any sort of humbling. It's just been, oh, I'm here. Oh, I'm the best. I went through. Then I went through Super Bowls after that, and then I'm the perfect guy.

[Mike Ryan]

It's funny. It's the one who comes from privilege is the seventh rounder. It's. It's just a funny thing to look back on and see, like, Baker's first overall pick.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's weird.

[Mike Ryan]

When you think about how quarterbacks are made in this board and how we don't actually know. Right? Like, we can have an argument just last week about. So hold on a second. Who's better? Is it Brock purdy, who was Mr. Irrelevant in the draft, or is it Mac Jones, who went high in the draft? Who's. Who's better? Oh, it's whoever plays with Shanahan the longest is the one who's going to get to be better. Okay? That's how it works. Thank you for teaching us that. It's an interesting thing to learn that way. Belichick wanted to trade Garoppolo over to Shanahan. They've got something figured out over there. That's Belichick. Not the smartest guy anymore. We've all seen it strip. Brady won. He takes the credit. Kraft tells the story. Belichick is running around the earth embarrassing himself at the end of his career. Has no Chance against these teams. Mike Lombardi game passed him by sending apology letters. Everyone mocking him for not knowing what actual pros look like because they didn't get any of them. And North Carolina is not playing top tier football. Belichick's thing ends in disgrace. Where they're being. They're saying as a university, we're not going to celebrate Drake May because they're rebuilding it in New England without us. They're going to. Oh, it's going to be very bull and it's going to be Drake May. And they just knocked off the Bills. No word from North Carolina. How small is that as an ending for Belichick? Brady's not going to lose at the end here and neither is Kraft. But Belichick loses all the way to the grave. Like just that.

[Chris]

Everything that was winning at some aspects. Which girlfriend?

[Dan Le Batard]

One.

[Billy]

Yeah, one aspect that's young.

[Mike Ryan]

That's winning to end. To trade it all for disgrace, though, like, because what I thought that was royalty. I thought that that was genius. That knew no bounds. I thought that that knew more about how to win that all the other people trying to compete at how to win. And now, no, like professional football over money is being played in college and the old men have been left out. I mean, I just saw James Franklin run out of the sport this weekend. Like, that's one of the highest paid coaches in the game. He just lost to 04 UCLA. That never happens to a real program. That never happened. That's a Never thing lose to 04. When you're a top. When you're a top program in the country.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, it's not a normal thing for the own four team to have a quarterback that held his college football playoff team hostage over an nil package. It's just a very strange time. Bill Belichick's got to struggle with it. Hopefully he realizes he's getting smacked in the mouth right now. Hopefully he realizes he's not smarter than everybody else. Oh, I need to get dudes. This isn't about scouting James Franklin, though. That one's a weird one. And the excuses were not great. Cross country flight. Are you kidding me? Howdy, folks. It's Mike Ryan. I want to talk to you about Gametime, the official ticketing partner of the Dan LeBatard Show. They've been on with us for quite a while and I practice what I preach here, people. It is my go to when I'm trying to get in demand tickets. Why it's got so many incredible features. It was ahead of the game. What you see is what you pay all in pricing zone deals, panoramic seat views and when I became an NFL free agent, I just wanted to see the best games in the best places and gametime had me so covered they take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets. It's incredibly easy to use and the gametime guarantee means you can trust you'll get 100% authentic tickets on time and at the best price. Plus fees are always included. So what you see is what you pay. Take the guesswork out of buying NFL tickets with GameTime. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use code DAN for $20 off your first purchase Terms apply again. Create an account and redeem code dan for $20 off swipe tap ticket. Go download the Gametime app today.

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[Billy]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris]

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[Mike Ryan]

Oh my God one in spite of him. Oh wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love You, Duke.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach. I want to talk about the college football of the weekend because I love that Washington, Maryland game. I love the K State Baylor game. But before I do that, can you guys just tell me, like, how many touchdowns DeMarcado has in his career? Because I was not familiar with this person's work before yesterday and this is my fault, not his, because I don't mean to call him a nobody. He's just not somebody whose name I associated with touchdowns. Even though on this particular play he carried the ball 70 yards, he was.

[Dan Le Batard]

Forced to step up last week or two weeks ago in Thursday Night Football, made a big play. He has in his career three total touchdowns. Seen the playing time because of the terrible injury situation that Arizona has in their backfield.

[Mike Ryan]

And James Conner is out. And the, the difference between the Cardinals mattering this season and being like the difference between what, three and one?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's all field goals. That's. That's all their losses that they. They're out. Connor, they're out. Trey Benson, D. Markado was always going to be the backup. Michael Corder actually flashed quite nicely for Arizona yesterday. But no, it's a bad. It's a bad situation.

[Mike Ryan]

How much national shame. This is not the same. The Colts rebounded from Mitchell doing this at the goal line. The Colts lost the heartbreaker. Let's think about what we're talking about here when we do these examinations of these teams, okay? The Broncos, the Broncos just beat Philadelphia. Team that could not beat, beaten 20 of 21 times, went into Philadelphia. Do it with Sean Payton saying, oh, I'm down 17, 16. I'm going for two here. Don't care about everything you've got going on. Champion Philadelphia. I'm not going for the tie here.

[Dan Le Batard]

They didn't play a clean game. But last couple of weeks are concerning because this is a team very strange season. All right? They're a team that is built to hold on the leads better than anybody else in the league. And these second halves have been.

[Mike Ryan]

The Eagles could be 05. That sport is super weird. The Broncos are a couple of bounces from being five. And oh, and Sean Payton going into Philadelphia and doing with Bo Nix what I now ask all of you, so who is it? Is it the coaches or is it the quarterback backs? Okay, Because Bo Nicks, I saw him play for a long time and I didn't think Bo Nix was this. I. Sean Payton has made something in Denver that can walk into Philadelphia and do what nobody does. And because it wasn't the late game, because it wasn't Buffalo and New England, and because we will get bored with droning excellence. Even if you're win like we will, Even if it's 20 games in Philadelphia and you get to win all the time, we'll throw in. Yeah, let me figure out. Oh, A.J. brown's not happy. Oh, Saquon's not getting enough carries. Jalen hurts, doesn't throw interceptions at home. That team is just meant to be a bunch of cement mixers that go down the field and churn up your bodies until you limp through retirement. That's. They're just 11, 11 cement mixers going down the field. And so Saquon's thighs are bigger than all of your players. And Jalen Hurd squats, you know, whatever, £7,000. That's funny. And then that's the lion standing in their way. Dan Campbell saying okay, bang.

[Dan Le Batard]

And a dude in the corner with cigarettes tucked under his sleeve.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, let's talk about this for a second. Okay, let's talk about. Because Kansas City is playing Jacksonville tonight and I want. Look, I want to believe in Jacksonville.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a big one, Dan. This is a huge game for the show.

[Mike Ryan]

Jacksonville athletically. I watch them and they just drop the ball and they do dumb shit. But you're not going to convince me that Jacksonville does not have every bit at home on Monday night playing what is an enormous game against a Kansas City team that's ready to be doubted. You will not convince me that Jacksonville cannot athletically you something today to America that hasn't been watching Jacksonville. Cuz it's coming out of grainy land over there that smells like paper mills still, even though it was 20 years ago. I know it was 20 years ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

And now Worthy's hurt the great equalizer. Dan, you may get to be right about the Chiefs again. The way that you were, by the way, about Darren Waller, you know, ball pal.

[Chris]

Yeah, sorry about that. Sorry about that, Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

We owe you all an apology and quite frankly a debt of gratitude. Because after last week, I'm not skeptical of old Darren Waller and Dan's takes here. You made me some money over the weekend. Thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

So Darren Waller is another one of these ridiculous physical freaks. Like Philadelphia's got one and Goddard, they just don't use him that much.

[Billy]

They use him a couple times the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Last couple of weeks.

[Billy]

Remember he got that underhand pass.

[Mike Ryan]

Two of them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Your Waller takes, by the way, have completely erased. Your Belichick is going to be a Beast in North Carolina.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, no, I'll tell you one. That's an all time loser for me. You mentioned this. I was thinking about this this weekend as I see Brady try and claw with the end of his career on how do I protect my brand. What Nick Saban has done is an all time L for me in being a very vigorous public critic of him when he came to dabble in professional ball. And there's a documentary coming about on this soon, and I express my remorse and regret in it as well. Nick Saban had a deal with Wayne Huizenga that if he didn't like it in the pros, he could just go back. It's how Huizenga got him. And it's the reason Huizenga was never mad at Nick Saban for leaving the Dolphins because he said, I'll try it for a year. He didn't like it. What Nick Saban has done with the last 25 years of his career to now go into broadcasting, to go and get real power and influence within the nil game, to get out at the perfect time at Alabama. What just happened to Belichick is the ego of him not knowing what Nick Saban already knew, which is, no, I've been in this game. You ain't coming down here with Mike Lombardi. Nah, that's. No, you and Mike Lombardi aren't gonna know that. I. No, no, no, no, no. You're not that much. You and Charlie. You and Charlie Weiss were not that much smarter than everybody.

[Dan Le Batard]

They seem to think so. Lombardi talked a lot about this conference and the coaches in it and about how their program was gonna be a lot better from the jump. You need dudes.

[Chris]

But Saban also left on his own terms, which Belichick didn't. So, like, Belichick left coaching or left the Patriots with a bad taste in his mouth. So he wanted to kind of change his ending to coaching, where Nick Saban kind of got to choose his ending in coaching.

[Mike Ryan]

But do you guys realize this stuff, this. This stuff is interesting. When I watch what Deion and Michael Irvin are doing with their media legacies over the last. You know, they've been as famous in retirement as they were during. During play.

[Dan Le Batard]

Again, it was mentioned by Billy earlier, but Mike's media legacy kind of. Yeah, towards the end. Sideways.

[Mike Ryan]

Agreed.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just talking as nicely and probably unjustly. So.

[Mike Ryan]

I have my regret already from an hour ago saying that Michael Irvin should be the mascot for the University of Miami because there are some details there that are Ugly and flaws and all has always been the thing that has been in Miami. Something that at the very least is authentic. But when you talk about Belichick and his legacy, at the end here, there is literally no precedent for what it is that we're witnessing happen to this man in North Carolina. He is disgracing himself with what all of us thought was, which is he is smarter than everyone else. And the legacy and the resume prove it. In all the competing that Brady, him, and Kraft and the Kraft family do in the last, I don't know, 10 years, the Krafts can sit here and say more credibly than Belichick can, hey, organizations win, Bill. Organizations win. And Brady would say, no, I won. I won. Because Tampa was a laughing stock. But the Patriots have rebuilt it like that's unusual. To go. Jared Mayo, okay, You'll be the guy who's the sacrificial lamb after the guy. Let's drag you out of here. Let's get you out of here in a hurry. Get a first round pick. 2, 4 and 12 seasons. All right, we're back. MVP. We got Drake May. Now let's see what the next five years look like.

[Dan Le Batard]

He looks good. The Pelic thing is so confusing because I know he wants to get back to the pro game. Everyone knows this. And he was always the guy that was like, keep the distractions away, Patriot away, no distractions. And the thing that is standing in his way is totally manufactured by he and his camp.

[Chris]

Like.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it makes everything. The lack of success is one thing everyone could understand if it wasn't a circus. Everyone can understand that there's an adjustment period getting into the ACC when you haven't been a college guy in this new, unprecedented time where everyone's trying to.

[Mike Ryan]

Figure out, but the.

[Dan Le Batard]

The dabo's having a hard time.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but the worst place, though, this is the worst. Where Belichick will get swallowed. There will be not time. There won't be time to repair this like this.

[Dan Le Batard]

He could have just been quiet. He could have loved whoever he wanted to love and just been quiet, and he'd eventually get his path back to the league. And now over the last few months, I think someone's gonna take a chance on the go. I don't know, dude. He might be done. He might be done. What he hasn't, we can all proved. What does he prove?

[Chris]

He might end up down here.

[Dan Le Batard]

We. We can all agree he's hurt his chances with this North Carolina thing and the ensuing circus.

[Mike Ryan]

The precedent that I'm speaking Of okay. Because I do want to stop for a moment and be truly awed by it. Because whatever it is that you guys think of America's greatest leaders through sports, through time, Don Shula, Vince Lombardi, whatever it is you thought greatness looked like because those people had a way to greatness none of us understood. Belichick was that. And now at the end, has been left behind by an assortment of things that include your scheming and advantage. Isn't as great as the others have because their players are better than yours, because they're not inhibited by a salary cap to equalize things. Because all of these advantages at this mercenary level are going to leave you stripped naked on a front porch for all the world to see that you're not a genius. You're just a guy leaving an apartment. And we knew it was you. We knew from the shape of your body. We knew it was you back then. And we said that looks too much, remarkably like Belichick to not be him. And then it all came out. Think about this for a second. That's like Vince Lombardi doing that. I want you guys to imagine at Alabama. Go ahead and imagine at Alabama. Bear Bryant on a Bear Bryant leaving. This guy taught Saban everything he knew. Saban did it. Save it. You think Saban would get caught doing that?

[Billy]

Hamas.

[Dan Le Batard]

It'd be funny if Ms. Terry was following him out the door, though.

[Mike Ryan]

It is crazy. We're in agreement. We're in agreement that the enjoyment that that team. The worst part of what's happened to him there is the following. Because everything's been so sped up. Bill, that's the four games you got. Those are the. That's the grace period. Deion had to do it in a year. Like Crystal Ball. Crystal Ball's got three years to do it. You got to do it. Oh, this is what it looks like the first year. Oh, no, you're not competitive. All and also North Carolina no longer interesting. No. Zero interest. Clearly. Well, behind everyone else. That is not. That's minor league football. In minor league football, that is not a top program, period. End of story. We can close the book on this.

[Dan Le Batard]

That I, I, I gotta think he knows now what it, what it's about. I think he's a little behind the eight ball in that he thought he could scout his way to it a little bit. And I think he knows immediately it's not all about that. There is like a scouting network in eval. Look, Miami's doing it with some true freshmen that weren't like the Highest rated guys. There's some of that too, at play. North Carolina has the budget to fix this. North Carolina has the resources to just be like, we're gonna attack the portal. We're gonna attack high school recruiting. It's just he kind of wasted a year and he looks bad in doing so. He's getting embarrassed. And there is nothing that is in the gossip sphere that remotely reminds us of who this guy was when he was a pro. Belichick was a.

[Billy]

Okay, good in the early days, evaluator. But the last couple times, the last maybe what, 10, 15 years of the draft, like, what has shown you that he's.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but. No but.

[Billy]

So many evaluations that hit.

[Mike Ryan]

So this is the most interesting part of this to me as someone who will concede on the front end and must, as we all must. Oh, these people know millions and millions and millions of times more about what they do for a living than we do. And we'll dissect every part of it and we'll say the case quarterback was better. They devote their life to this. And Bill Belichick has for a long time believed that he is smarter than everyone else because they had a quarterback who won all the games and we were convinced was because of the military discipline of the Patriot Way that can harbor a murderer and survive it and keep winning championships because whatever. They ruled football because they were smarter than everyone else. But then Brady won as soon as he left and went through Mahomes Rogers and somebody else on the road in order to do it. Like, who was it? It was Mahomes Rogers. It was a holy trinity. Brady went on the road.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think Breeze was on that path.

[Mike Ryan]

He ended all the quarterbacks on his way out. Like, he took all the winning with him and this is what's left. Like, it's an all time fall from grace. It has. There will. There will be no time in recorded sports history where you'll be able to find this happening to somebody where they get unmasked. Oh, you weren't a general who was smarter than everyone else. You were Charlie Weiss in a different.

[Dan Le Batard]

Uniform if the story ends right now. Yeah, probably. But it would be a footnote. I mean, you get some separation from it. Everyone's gonna.

[Mike Ryan]

No, of course it's gonna be a footnote.

[Dan Le Batard]

But I'm gonna probably rename the Lombardi Trophy after him. He's one of the greatest to ever do it.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but you guys understand what I'm saying, though. Yeah, he can have all the trophies and he can and will get forevermore Greatest ever. No one can ever change that. But we all now know, and it's like, ooh, you showed us. You showed us that it wasn't actually that he was smarter than everyone else. Like, it's an unmasking that.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Billy]

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[Billy]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Billy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris]

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[Billy]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats. Kicked by what you just said I did. I mean, come on.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's pretty, it's pretty crazy. Now he gets credit for developing Tom Brady. He found Tom Brady. He and his team found Tom Brady. They developed him because remember what Tom Brady was at the start of his his career. He was a guy that was winning really on the back of that Bill Belichick defense. He does deserve credit for that.

[Mike Ryan]

Can we do funniest thing from the sports weekend because there's no more reason to talk about North Carolina football until next season.

[Chris]

I think I'd take Dave wants that back right now for the Dolphins. Like if you could assure me like a Dave wants that type run from like the early 2000s. Would you guys not take that?

[Mike Ryan]

Billy what's funny in retrospect is that Dave wants that was run out of town for going 11 and 5 and 10 and 6 every year. But he was doing it because he was just burning up Ricky Williams for 400 carries a season. And then they didn't win any playoffs games with him either. Like they'd go 10 and 6 and 11 and 5, but they get to the playoffs and they didn't have a.

[Chris]

Quarterback 19 yards yesterday on the ground. How?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, the Dolphins cannot run the ball, and every single team in the league will run for 300 yards on them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike McDaniel copped to them not being fully prepared for that.

[Chris]

I know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I saw his ass like. Well, then if that's the case, fire him.

[Chris]

Yeah, he looked like a broken man walking into the locker room.

[Dan Le Batard]

He took his glasses off.

[Chris]

Took his glasses off. He was walking in.

[Mike Ryan]

Where are you guys on this? They were up 17, nothing in the game. They lose to Carolina on the road. The season is over. Even Greg Cody. Greg Cody's done. He finally wrote the column. Yes, I. I did. Chris, did you read your father's column? Greg Cody has arrived. He's going to be mad if you guys. If he comes in here tomorrow and you guys didn't read this column where he. He has bailed on the Dolphins.

[Chris]

I wonder what that column looked like when they were up 17. Nothing. I feel like they thought I was thinking about. I'm like, God damn it, my dad's.

[Dan Le Batard]

Gonna come in here this week and.

[Mike Ryan]

Say I was right. Told you they'd be. Be 2 and 3.

[Chris]

They thought they won that game and they just kind of tried to coast to the end and then somehow thought like, oh, we're just gonna have a game winning drive. And then they did seem to have a game winning drive. And then Bryce Young had two game winning drives, and then they decided to punt it on fourth down with like a minute and 40 seconds left.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sometimes you just run into Rico dowdle.

[Mike Ryan]

It was 4th and 17.

[Chris]

Yeah, it was 4th and 17. But they couldn't stop them all game long, and they only had two timeouts. Like, you knew you weren't gonna get that ball back.

[Mike Ryan]

I. Mike Ryan doesn't want me to be right on. The Miami Dolphins have a historically bad defense that you will see over the course of this game.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not Mike, it's not me. It's a Ravens. It's all the defenses that are worse in the league. C.J.

[Billy]

Stroud, you think you're good.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sorry. The Ravens were watching that game along. All right, we got to top this. We got to give 50 points to CJ Stroud.

[Mike Ryan]

This. I'm going. What I want you to do before the end of the season is disprove me. When this becomes a defense that puts up statistics that you've never seen from a Dolphin defense. They can't get off the field against anybody. Not him, not 10 yards of carry. He's their backup. They had two backup offensive linemen, it was confusing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Their edge rushers were doing the thing I thought they would do during the season, but they're still. They're still so bad.

[Mike Ryan]

You guys understand the predicament that we're in? Billy, surely you understand this. The way the championships are won now. It's Sirianni and Dan Campbell. It's flex a muscle. It's we're going to run the ball on you and you're not going to be able to stop our pass rush.

[Chris]

Even the plays we make. Bradley Chubb, they just handed him that.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was a great play. That was a great play. I'm waiting for someone to do that to Reuben Bain.

[Chris]

Drop the ball.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Here.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can have it.

[Chris]

If we want to look at the positive, admittedly, this week's a test against the Chargers, but the Chargers have dropped two in a row. All right, so they're kind of coming in. This is going to be a who wants it more game. Then you got the Browns. Dylan Gabriel, I mean, I don't know how we felt about him yesterday.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a moment.

[Chris]

We'll see what happens there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Falcons, we don't know what they are.

[Mike Ryan]

Chris, let's do fun.

[Chris]

And the Ravens. That look like a game.

[Mike Ryan]

You were sure funniest thing from the sports weekend. Chris.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, people, what in sport made you laugh hard?

[Mike Ryan]

This is weekend. It is a segment we call what make you laugh this weekend. I've got the Yankees. That's a good one.

[Chris]

I'm gonna go with the Bills fan that caught a pass from Josh Allen, put the ball under his shirt and just started sprinting up to run away because why do they. They should let the fans keep those balls. Like what are we doing here?

[Mike Ryan]

I know it's a little weird. I don't understand that.

[Chris]

I think it's cuz nowadays teams like prep their balls so like that off.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like we.

[Chris]

We've been prepping that ball. Give us like, I don't like that rule.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, the whole, the whole football thing, it's a. It's a little militaristically weird. You'd agree, right? Like that. Our footballs are precious things. Only certain people can have them. No fan can run off with it. It's got microchips. No one can deflate gate. You remember what we did to Kraft and Ted Wells? It cost us $5 million. Never again. Again.

[Chris]

We can't play the sound, but Chico did like play by play of the guy taking off.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like there he goes up the concourse and he's out of here.

[Chris]

He Had a plan, like from the beginning, like if I ever catch a ball, I'm sprinting out of here. Because there was like no time to think. And the security at the top kind.

[Dan Le Batard]

Of glanced at him and was just.

[Chris]

Like, go ahead, man.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't give a.

[Billy]

You think if they can tell where the microchip is on the ball, they can tell the microchip is at your house?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, let me ask you a question, but that. Is that thievery or is that person now. Does that person now have a souvenir? Is something that is protected by the football military that is not allowed to get outside the stadium? Does he now have something that would sell at a local pawn shop? Did he run a out of there with $30,000? Like is that.

[Chris]

I think it was the second quarter. Did that guy just leave?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, but did he just win the lottery of I catch a football and I run out the concourse, I can sell this famous football for X number of dollars vastly more than what I paid to get in here.

[Chris]

Famous. It was an incompletion way out of the back of the end zone.

[Mike Ryan]

What are those footballs worth when they're so protected about? You're not allowed to run out of the stadium with them.

[Dan Le Batard]

My funniest thing from the weekend is Saturday's Lightning Panthers game which saw 322 penalty minutes. It was a. It was just a.

[Mike Ryan]

So Roy, I steamrolled you there. What are the funniest parts of a brawl that again, if I made it happen in football yesterday, everyone would be arrested and entire football team would be desecrated publicly because you're not. This was a full on riot that was disguised as a hockey game.

[Dan Le Batard]

There was so many game misconducts in that game that nobody noticed that Nico Mikola, who had a game misconduct a couple of minutes earlier, got an assist on a power play goal which was then stripped.

[Chris]

They're like, wait, he was supposed to be ejected. That goal doesn't count. I love it.

[Mike Ryan]

Chaos.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was five minutes later, by the way.

[Mike Ryan]

Because it was a riot. Because that's not.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's.

[Chris]

What's he still doing here?

[Mike Ryan]

That's not professional sport.

[Chris]

You killed a guy.

[Mike Ryan]

That. How are we so two time champions makes it so that we don't understand the absurdity of the sport. That if right now I played this baseball game and I had all of these players having all of these fights, there would be arrests, a basketball game if I did this. This is not. When's the last time a game had this many penalty minutes Any Any game. Any, any time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Senators, Panthers.

[Chris]

Every time they play.

[Dan Le Batard]

Every time they play.

[Chris]

Brothers. You know, brothers.

[Dan Le Batard]

The record is what, 412. That was Senators flyers in 2004.

[Chris]

Just off the dome, I found on ebay an authentic Philadelphia Eagles game used football versus Atlanta Falcons from October 26, 2008 for $109 plus 1250.

[Mike Ryan]

But that's not the champion. This is not this Eagles. A football from these Eagles stolen. And you do understand that the Eagles and Lions are playing a primitive brand of football. And it's funny that in the space age of modern offense, you can't trust Dylan Gabriel to throw a ball 15 yards downfield. But these two. You know what the device is? I was thinking of the farm machine. What is the biggest of the farm machines? Because cement mixer doesn't really work, a big plow. But there's something that. Something that eats up wheat. Something giant like a hay baler.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like it. Being described as a farm machine.

[Chris]

Yeah, cement.

[Dan Le Batard]

You do this with a two wheel. Are you talking about a tractor?

[Mike Ryan]

What are we talking about?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm talking about the big thing that.

[Billy]

Like runs through the grain.

[Dan Le Batard]

And like my guy just call a tractor a farm machine.

[Chris]

Cement mixer.

[Mike Ryan]

It's not just a tractor. It feels to me like there is something that is larger that runs through hay or runs through cornfields that isn't merely a tractor, a farm machine.

[Billy]

No, that's a wood chipper. Chris was asking if a.

[Chris]

Sometimes like lawn guys, you see him throwing a tree and all of a sudden it's getting shrubs.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not doing lawns, though. I'm doing the great outdoors and I'm doing something that has great outdoors.

[Dan Le Batard]

Something John Candy.

[Mike Ryan]

Something that has to butcher fields and.

[Chris]

Like a cornhead or front folding brain drilling farm machine.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, so this is what I'm saying to you. This is my analysis of the Lion, Lions and the Eagles. Tell me if there's a third team you put in here as I tell you that the Lions are averaging more points per game for two seasons than anyone since the 1941 Bears. Give me the third team that plows like a farm machine through the American terrain of real estate acquisition. Give me. Give me the third team that you put in this class of category because I thought the Ravens were that with their physical defense. And it took a month for John Harbaugh to get exposed. Zaz over here has been telling us for the last five weeks that Jim Harbaugh is better than even Belichick, is the greatest coach ever. And then I say oh, no. But if you have Jaden Daniels. No. That kind of changes everything. It kind of changes whether you're good at your defense or not.

[Dan Le Batard]

My funniest thing was Michael Irvin taking a belt to a brick wall, but now it's dancing. Farm machines.

[Chris]

I think you're thinking about a John Deere T6,800 combine.

[Mike Ryan]

Combine machine.

[Dan Le Batard]

The farm machine.

[Mike Ryan]

That's the farm machine. Farm machine. Thank you. That right there, that is them.

[Dan Le Batard]

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