Hour 1: The Greatest Redemption

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 1: The Greatest Redemption
Date: February 9, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcast live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their team dive into an irreverent, rapid-fire discussion covering the Super Bowl and its aftermath, focusing on the surprising rise of Sam Darnold, debates about NFL redemption stories, and pop culture tangents unique to the show. The episode captures the signature mix of sports analysis, comedic bickering, and ranting on whimsical (and, at times, bizarre) side topics.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The NFL's New Faces: Drake May and Sam Darnold

• Drake May's Ascendancy

  • Stugotz predicts May is poised to be the new “face of the league.” (01:04)
  • Chris Zaslow floats the idea of "Patriots Dynasty 2.0" driven by May, showing hesitance to compare him to Tom Brady but expressing huge faith in his talent. (01:10)
  • Dan scrutinizes May’s playoff matchups, suggesting that, after facing tougher defenses in Denver and Houston, May should "fear Seattle less," while Stugotz likens May to Josh Allen—unfazed by strong defenses.
    • Quote:
      • "I think it's a great opportunity for a new face of the league to ascend in Drake May." (Stugotz, 01:04)
      • "I just think New England is really being underrated..." (Chris Zaslow, 01:57)

• Drake May's Sack Stats: Correction On-Air

  • Dan misstates May’s sack numbers; it's clarified live that May was actually sacked more in the last game than in previous playoff games.
  • Quote:
    • "It's the opposite of what it is that I was saying. He was sacked more in this game than any of..." (Dan Le Batard, 04:54)

2. Super Bowl Reactions: Redemption, MVP Debate, and Defensive Dominance

• Sam Darnold: The “Greatest Redemption”

  • Animated discussion about Sam Darnold's journey: first player to lose his first playoff game by double digits and then win a Super Bowl the next year.
  • Dan is incredulous at the narrative—a QB replaced Geno Smith and led the Seahawks to a 10-game win streak, dominating both regular season and playoffs. (03:08)
    • Quote:
      • "It's the greatest redemption story the NFL has ever seen." (Dan Orlovsky, paraphrased by Dan, 03:08)
      • "You don't get to be discarded by five teams ... and now you have more titles than the combination of Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Dan Marino." (Dan Le Batard, 18:45)

• Who Should Be Super Bowl MVP?

  • The crew questions the offensive bias in MVP voting—debating if RB Kenneth Walker, kicker Jason Myers (who went 5-for-5 on FGs), the punter, or GM John Schneider deserved MVP over offensive players.
    • Quote:
      • "They won that game because of what the defense did ... We've just got offensive biases where we have to give that trophy to somebody who's an offensive player." (Dan Le Batard, 06:12)
      • "Why do you refuse to give Jason Myers any credit?" (Roy, 06:12)

• Defensive Masterclass and Game Management

  • The team hails Seattle's defensive superiority, noting that the only way the Seahawks could have lost was by a Darnold turnover. Dan highlights a crucial late-game decision to throw on third down rather than run, emphasizing the trust placed in Darnold.
    • Quote:
      • "It speaks to how much confidence they actually had in Sam Darnold not doing an idiotic thing." (Dan Le Batard, 11:40)

3. Redemption Stories in NFL History: Darnold vs. Kurt Warner vs. Elway

• The group launches into a passionate debate: Which is the greatest redemption arc—Sam Darnold, Kurt Warner, or John Elway?
  • Kurt Warner: Consensus that Warner's journey from grocery store shelf-stocker to Super Bowl champ is unmatched.
    • Quote:
      • "Kurt Warner was taking his right arm and putting pinto beans on the shelf. And they said, okay, you run the greatest show on turf." (Dan Le Batard, 22:08)
    • Warner's story is contrasted with Darnold's: Warner had to literally beg for an opportunity; Darnold always had NFL-level skill and multiple chances (22:04).
  • Elway: Roy argues Elway’s redemption is in finally winning after repeated Super Bowl losses with enormous pre-draft hype (19:26).
  • Darnold's Rebuttal: Some argue Darnold's journey is also about redemption after being cast off by multiple teams, but ultimately, the consensus is Warner’s is the better story.
    • Quote:
      • "They're not making a movie about Sam Darnold." (Stugotz, 24:14)

4. Pop Culture Tangents and Listener Polls

• Parody Songs in Super Bowl Commercials
  • Chris Zaslow laments his lack of whimsy in response to a spate of parody songs in commercials, while Dan asks Jeremy to craft a parody live on air. (07:45–09:02)
    • Quote:
      • "If you like Coinbase, you have no whimsy." (Chris Zaslow, 08:28)
• “Ginger Status” Debate: Is Sam Darnold a Purebred Ginger?
  • A running, irreverent sidebar debates which celebrities count as “purebred” gingers.
    • Sam Darnold’s status is hotly debated, with Andy Dalton, Ed Sheeran, and others offered as ginger archetypes. The conversation devolves into whether “freckles” are required, if skin tone matters, and if heritage counts.
      • Quote:
        • "You want to know a real ginger? Andy Dalton. That's a purebred." (Chris Zaslow, 26:13)
        • "Is Sam Darnold an imposter ginger?" (Dan Le Batard, 38:24, referencing a live poll)

5. Evaluating Darnold's Legacy

• Comparing Darnold to other unlikely Super Bowl-winning QBs (Brad Johnson, Trent Dilfer); debating whether a title alone makes him Hall of Fame worthy.
  • Roy suggests Darnold is Hall-eligible if he continues winning, but Dan and others are skeptical. (32:02–32:55)
  • Dan insists Darnold wasn't the chief reason for Seattle's title: "He is the reason they didn't lose that game because he's the only way they could have lost it." (Dan Le Batard, 33:51)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Darnold’s Redemption:
  • “It is a little difficult to reconcile that he now has more titles than the combination of Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Dan Marino.” (Dan Le Batard, 09:46)
• On Defensive MVP Bias:
  • “We have just offensive biases where we have to give that trophy to somebody who's an offensive player." (Dan Le Batard, 06:12)
• On Pop Culture Whimsy:
  • “If you like Coinbase, you have no whimsy. I am proudly zero whimsy. That's ridiculous.” (Chris Zaslow, 08:28)
• On Ginger Status:
  • "You want to know a real ginger? Andy Dalton. That's a purebred." (Chris Zaslow, 26:13)
  • "Is Sam Darnold an imposter ginger?" (Dan Le Batard, 38:24)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Drake May's Playoff Performance & Sack Stats – 01:04–05:02
• Super Bowl MVP & Defensive Credit Debate – 05:12–06:55
• Kicker MVP Tangent / Historical MVPs – 06:12–07:18
• Parody Songs in Super Bowl Commercials & Whimsy Debate – 07:45–09:02
• Sam Darnold v. Kurt Warner Redemption Debate – 19:01–24:14
• Ginger Debates: Darnold, Dalton, Celebrity Scale – 25:02–34:38
• Darnold's Hall of Fame Debate & QB Comparisons – 32:02–34:30

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Tone and Style

True to the Le Batard show's offbeat tone, the episode veers from analytical to absurd, with open, sometimes heated, but mostly comedic debates. A staple is the live “put it on the poll” queries, letting listeners weigh in via Twitter on everything from MVP choices to the nuances of redheaded identity.

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Summary Statement

If you missed this hour, you missed classic Le Batard chaos: sports debate with a dose of absurdity, challenging conventional wisdom on NFL redemption arcs, questioning beard genetics, and, above all, refusing to let anyone—on or off the air—get too comfortable with easy answers.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Chris Zaslow]

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[Stugotz]

I think it's a great opportunity for a new face of the league to ascend in Drake May.

[Chris Zaslow]

When I say that we may be seeing the beginning of Patriots Dynasty 2.0, it's because of Drake May. I think he's that good. I'm not comparing to Brady that's five years from now that you even dare do that. But I think Drake May is that good right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think Denver and Houston were the single worst matchups that Drake May could have seen. I think he should fear Seattle less.

[Stugotz]

Than those two Drake May having this stage against this defense, I actually think he's going to kill it because I think he's that kind of guy. I think he's like Josh Allen and doesn't matter how good your defense is, he's going to rise to the occasion.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are the Seahawks better than the Rams?

[Stugotz]

I'm a proud Day one stock owner of Drake Mason, you're not shook by.

[Dan Le Batard]

The last two games he's had to play against great defenses, bad weather.

[Chris Zaslow]

I just think New England is really being underrated going into the this game and and maybe that Seattle's being a little bit overrated.

[Dan Le Batard]

If I ask America right now, hey, do you think Seattle's defense was better than Houston's or Denver's? Because you saw what Houston's and Denver's did in weather to Drake May. I just think that Drake May might be about to show everybody in the country that that defense is not as good as you Think it is even though the metrics say that it is.

[Roy]

It's the heat.

[Dan Le Batard]

I believe that Sam Darnold will throw interceptions again.

[Chris Zaslow]

Yes, I do too.

[Stugotz]

I'm on four and a half. I'll take it. And it's brable an underdog. This one's easy.

[Chris Zaslow]

Does feel easy to bet.

[Stugotz]

Give me the points and give it to me. If you even want to take the Seahawks, why don't you hedge against that and cook up a little Drake May's superman parlay with like rushing yards or what have you.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Rams, that offense is better at offense than Seattle is at defense. Do you have an opinion given how close the games were between the Rams and Seattle, when it is that you look at Seattle in the super bowl, do you see an appreciable difference between who's better between those two teams? Between the Rams in Seattle? Yes. Well, of course the Seattle better because.

[Chris Zaslow]

They won that game.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's Fred Warner. So Dan Arlovsky says of Sam Darnold. It's the greatest redemption story the NFL has ever seen. Darnold is the first player in NFL history to learn to lose his first playoff game by double digits and then come back and win the super bowl the very next year. I don't think any of us, anybody, anybody had Geno Smith being replaced by Sam Darnold and it turning into this 10. What, what have the Seahawks won? Is it 10 straight games, seven of them by 10 plus points and their three losses by a total of nine points. They lost one game by four points. That's their worst loss of the season. That team was dominant and took on all comers being dominant. Jeremy, when we say that Drake May was sacked six times yesterday, but 21 this postseason, does that mean that that's the least that he was sacked in a postseason game? It must mathematically right. Because I don't think anybody had 10 sacks on him like that. The game we just saw is the least pressured that Drake May was when he played Denver and when he played Houston. If he took 21 sacks in three games and, and there were only six of them yesterday he played four games.

[Chris Zaslow]

Remember he played the Chargers to stop.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, my bad start this one.

[Chris Zaslow]

He was sacked five times against the Chargers. He was sacked five times against Houston, five times against Denver and then six times against Seattle.

[Dan Le Batard]

So it's the opposite of what I was saying. Stop.

[Stugotz]

Stop.

[Chris Zaslow]

Moron.

[Roy]

It was very different from all the words that came out.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right, Right. It's the opposite of what it is that I was saying. He was sacked more in this game than any of.

[Stugotz]

We're assholes, man. We just love it when people misspeak.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that happens sometimes around here, said Ruckus.

[Chris Zaslow]

I've started feeling that pressure when I'm on game broadcasts.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good.

[Chris Zaslow]

I never had. I never had any nerves going to game broadcast ever. I knew reading ads. I'm good. Reading my stories, speaking without having any script in front of me. I'm great. I'm good at this. And now because of working here, I find myself hesitating every time I speak. If you think you're family, that's why.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll, please. Who should have been super bowl mvp? Go ahead and do Kenneth Walker. Do Sam Darnold. Put the kicker in there, put the punter in there, and also put Seattle's general manager in there, John Schneider, because I want to put all five of those up there. Because the biases in this sport are such that they give it to Ken Walker, Kenneth Walker, and I understand, but he's not the reason they won that game. Like, he's just not. It's. They won that game because of what the defense did to the number two offense in the league. Kenneth Walker contributed to that. But five field goals? Get out of here. They won that game because of the defense and we've just got offensive biases where we have to give that trophy to somebody who's an offensive player.

[Roy]

Why do you refuse to give Jason Myers any Credit? He was 5 for 5. Most field goals without a miss.

[Dan Le Batard]

I said the kicker and the punter. I put them on there. I didn't name either one of them, but I put the kicker and the punter.

[Roy]

It's got a name.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, well, Myers scored more points than anyone.

[Stugotz]

It's Jason.

[Roy]

Speak his name.

[Stugotz]

I got your back.

[Dan Le Batard]

He just said Jason Myers. I'm not that forgetful.

[Roy]

It's all right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jason Myers and Michael Dixon are the punter or the kicker and the punter. And Jason Myers just scored more points in a season than anyone ever had.

[Roy]

That's right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ladanian Tomlinson was before him. They played one more game than ladanian Tomlinson did. But regardless, I'm not giving the MVP to a kicker, though I'm willing to consider the punter.

[Roy]

Do you think a single person had the balls to vote him?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm guessing there's probably a vote. Yes, I'm guessing there is. I mean, one of the things that we love around here is that in 1981, Mark Mosley won the MVP in football as the kicker for the then Washington Redskins, Mark Mosley won the MVP of American football in 1980.

[Chris Zaslow]

You say that, but it can't be true.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sure that if you guys look up the voting, you will indeed find that somebody voted Jason Myers.

[Chris Zaslow]

No, Mosley.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mark Mosley.

[Stugotz]

Mark.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, Mark Mosley. What. What are you doing? Jeremy, with your love of parody songs and the number of parody songs that were played yesterday in various commercials, how many did you get? A count of how many parody songs were played?

[Chris Zaslow]

I did. There were four different parody songs for this year's super bowl commercials. And I. I'm just saying I think my fee has to go up here because this is what I do every. Nearly every week on this show. There were four different parody songs for super bowl commercials. He had the Hellman's one with Andy Samberg where he was Meal Diamond.

[Stugotz]

Terrible.

[Chris Zaslow]

If you don't like that, you don't like whimsy. Be whimsical. The state farm living on a prayer to start. I mean, come on with. With. By the way, a lot of star power in that one. Yeah. Danny McBride, Keegan, Michael Key, Hailee Steinfeld's in it. You get Bon Jovi, then the NBA itself. Everybody wants to rule the world for the NBA versus the world in the all star game, so they do that.

[Stugotz]

You have no whimsy.

[Chris Zaslow]

And then T Mobile gets the Backstreet Boys. You have no whimsy. Put it on the poly songs. You don't have whimsy. You just like coinbase. You don't have whimsy. You're talking about AI. This is whimsy. When Bunyama like that was terrible. If you like Coinbase, you have no whimsy. I don't have whimsy. No whimsy. I am proudly zero whimsy. That's ridiculous.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on.

[Chris Zaslow]

You don't want to be a silly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Goose at Lebatard show. Do you have any whimsy if you hated the Neil diamond commercial? Jeremy, make me a parody song before the end of the show, please. Okay, I can do that.

[Chris Zaslow]

You want to pick a.

[Dan Le Batard]

You want to pick a.

[Chris Zaslow]

We want to pick Miller Lite as the sponsor. I can make any of our sponsors.

[Stugotz]

We need to make I want you.

[Chris Zaslow]

To go away parody song.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want you to go away. I want.

[Stugotz]

You have no whimsy.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want you and your whimsy dance Got whimsy. To go away and be alone together and see what it births creatively here before the end of the show. Por favor, getting back to the placement of Sam Darnold as Dan Arlovsky. Calls him the greatest redemption story in the history of the NFL. It is a little difficult to reconcile that he now has more titles than the combination of Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, and Dan Marino. It's a bit disorienting that he's now got as many titles as Aaron Rodgers, Josh Allen.

[Chris Zaslow]

I know. And Sam Darnold. Because I've seen them do golf content before. They're legit friends. And this just has to bother Josh Allen. Come on, I'm Josh Allen.

[Dan Le Batard]

He gets one. The. The part, though, that doesn't make a lot of sense to me. Led the league in turnovers. No turnovers the entire postseason. He didn't. Like he didn't learn something in the last three games. Like, that's not. That's not what happened yet. You guys are going to. You guys are going to take the last three games. As proof that he now learned something. He led the league in turnovers with 20. Now he learned something the last three games. That's how you have it.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Because they're champs. And he. He didn't have a turnover.

[Roy]

Well, can we do. Can we play it the other way as well, you know? Cause last year he was great all season, and then he got his ass kicked in weeks 18 and then got his ass kicked in the wild card round. Like, he didn't all of a sudden become crappy. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, but he's always been someone who turns the ball over. He's always been someone who goes gunslinger. And over the last three games, he was doing none of that.

[Chris Zaslow]

I think it's a great testament to Clint Kubiak and his offense and what they were able to establish, like make safe throws. Right. We're going to spread the field. We're going to put you in really good positions.

[Dan Le Batard]

To win again, though, you got to make that happen again. He had that coach all season and led the league in turnover.

[Chris Zaslow]

But they were also 143 and the best team in football.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, but they're the best team in football, at least in part because they could overcome all of those turnovers and be better than everybody. It's. In spite of all those turnovers, we.

[Chris Zaslow]

Were all doing the same thing late in that third 12. Nothing. We need Sam Darnold to get us back. Like we need. That's the only way it's going to happen at this point. The Patriots are not going to start moving, even though they did start moving the ball. But you needed Sam Darnold to do it, and he didn't do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Collinsworth at the end, okay. Gave voice to Something that I thought was interesting because Collinsworth is saying toward the end of the game, he's like, I cannot believe that on third down there they didn't just hand the ball.

[Chris Zaslow]

Off when they threw that one wide.

[Dan Le Batard]

Six minutes left. And they threw an out route. Because the only thing that gets you beat here is a pick six. But it speaks to how much confidence they actually had in Sam Darnold not doing an idiotic thing. Like it actually speaks to the guy in the booth who's got less invested than this in anyone trust the quarterback less than the people in that huddle and less than the people who have made that monster investment who are saying, no, we're fine. He'll throw it away if it's not there.

[Chris Zaslow]

And the complete opposite on the other side of the ball where there was a fourth and one almost in midfield and you're thinking, all right, if the PAT's got to do anything, they got to get this quarter converted right now in fourth and one around there like 45.

[Stugotz]

And they chose to.

[Chris Zaslow]

Didn't you predict that that was a mid third quarter. That was a big debate in our party.

[Stugotz]

Go for it.

[Chris Zaslow]

I was team. Go for it. Everyone was like, I was alone. Everyone's like, you can't panic. What the old. There was still seven minutes left in the third there. It's a two score game. And. And Vrabel did the thing of. I'm confident we're punting, let's go. But I'm with you. I was. I wanted him to go for it, but most people. That was punt there. That was the most obvious thing. I knew it from the moment when I said it the other day. It was like he. There's going to be a fourth down that's going to be pivotal, that he's going to look at his team and say, you know what? Punt the ball. Like, I don't need.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Roy]

Specialoffer Don LeBatard can I tell you something I don't know? Maybe like a month ago and I decided to watch Pitch Clock and I told Jeremy Stugats, this is a good show you're doing.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Don lebatar show with the stug. When I tell you the following When I say The Seahawks won 10 straight games, okay, seven of them by 10. Plus, in a sport where all the games are closed, they had three losses this entire season by a total of nine points. The worst of them by four points. You saw what they did to the 49ers in the first of these games. The Rams are the only team in the sport that can play with them that way because they've got the number one offense going up against the number one defense. And it doesn't look like the number one defense. You're looking at a run throughout the sport. That's one of the best we've ever seen with Sam Darnold at quarterback. That's what you just saw. And Sam Darnold is now 317 in his last 38. It's not quite as easy what John Schneider did there. They flipped out Russell Wilson and Pete Carroll. Like, that's not. That doesn't happen all that often. I know it happened on the other sideline because it took another coach in between with Gerard Mayo. But they. They did it on the other team where they reinvented their quarterback. But they drafted a quarterback. It's not a quarterback that was available to everybody. They got rid of Pete Carroll and Russell Wilson and there's not a holdover from when they were winning the championship the last time that John Schneider was the general manager there and they won the championship. That's nuts. Is it not? Like that's. It seems like we talk a lot about all the organizations in that sport. I don't believe that Seattle's regarded as one of the best. But none of us had Geno Smith replaced by Sam Darnold ends up in a title nobody had that.

[Stugotz]

You know what it is? They don't have an owner screwing it up. They've had this weird trust situation that has been the ownership and all sorts of ambiguity around who's going to be calling the shots. And a lot of people say this about The Green Bay 2. They're so consistent. They've been in the conversation for practically 30 years. They go from Favre to Rogers to Jordan Love. They don't have an owner screwing things up. He was able to do a full and complete rebuild without conviction from someone ahead of him in the corporate hierarchy. Maybe it speaks to that they also.

[Chris Zaslow]

Got the right guy. Right? Like Mike McDonald was the perfect coach for this team. And I'm betting Baltimore's looking around being like, damn, we should have had him like. And gotten rid of Harbaugh.

[Roy]

Can I also just mention, speaking of the owner, what a feel good moment it is when they hand the owner the trophy first after the super bowl win. It's so emotional it's so great, it gives me goosebumps. You know, the players, they put their bodies on the line week after week, day after day, and you just. You hand that trophy to the owner first, and you hear from her, it's just. It's. It's a moment that just can't be replicated.

[Stugotz]

You know what's so great is because me sitting at home as a fan, giving my money. That hurts to this frame franchise, I know that billionaire is going to be able to say pretty quickly that I'm the best fan in the world.

[Roy]

Yep. I just. I love, you know, someone. Someone who. Who I. I would never know their name and. And wouldn't recognize them if they smack me in the face. I. I love that she gets to hold the trophy first. And it's a beautiful moment in sports.

[Stugotz]

When the owner gets fan in the world.

[Roy]

Yeah. Love it.

[Stugotz]

Thank you.

[Roy]

Love it.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Sam Darnold story is crazy. You don't get to be discarded by five teams. Nobody believes that you're actually somebody who's a super champion. And now you have more titles than the combination of Lamar Jackson, Josh Allen, and Dan Marino.

[Chris Zaslow]

Better story. Kirk Cousins. Excuse me, not Kirk Cousins. Kurt Warner or Sam Darnold.

[Dan Le Batard]

Kurt Warner's a better story because you went from being unemployed, undercutting that Tony. You were.

[Stugotz]

It's not remotely.

[Chris Zaslow]

You want me to join Jeremy or.

[Stugotz]

Not remotely. Closed. He's a bag boy. He was stocking grocery shelves.

[Roy]

He wasn't supposed to be the starter.

[Chris Zaslow]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

And.

[Chris Zaslow]

And Sam Donald was seeing ghosts and was an absolute garbage man.

[Roy]

No, Donald's not the best redemption story.

[Stugotz]

Not a literal Warner.

[Roy]

Donald's not the best redemption story. Best redemption story is John Elway. Like, Elway had all of the hype. He was the greatest. He was supposed to be the greatest talent of all time, drafted number one overall, gets killed in his first three Super Bowls, and then a decade later finally wins one.

[Stugotz]

But he was always awesome.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but he was always the number one pick who could have played baseball or football. Kurt Warner was stocking shelves.

[Stugotz]

That's right. He wasn't the quarterback at Stanford or usc. He was stocking shelves after a stint in the Arena League.

[Roy]

Now, I'm talking about redemption story.

[Stugotz]

He went to. Was it Upper Iowa?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you find for me, please, Roy, some of the details? I just wanna get the details right on Kurt Warner's story because we do get forgetful here. Prisoner of the moment. I just want the name of the grocery store. I want, like, what he was paid. I'm sure because this was written about a great deal. I'm sure it's been reported what the details of Kurt Warner were. But Zsasz makes also an important point that very year that they were the greatest show on turf. One of the best offenses of all time, Trent Green, was supposed to be the starting quarterback and got injured in the preseason. Otherwise, Trent Green would have been. Because that. That was Marshall Falk and Isaac Bruce and Tori Holt, like, they would have had that offense.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he was looking good in the preseason. That would have been his moment.

[Dan Le Batard]

Trent Green would have been Kurt Warner if he had not gotten hurt that postseason. And you know what my proof is? They did it with somebody with stocking shelves.

[Stugotz]

Dick Camille was crying.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you'd cry, too, if a guy. If you had to go to a grocery store and get a guy who's in an apron and he's like, come on out here. I got the greatest show on turf. Trent Green is hurt. You can be the greatest offense in the sport and the greatest redemption story of all time. Why, Zaslaw, are you having trouble with the word redemption? Like, why is it that you're not giving Kurt Warner the redemption story that you're giving Sam Darnold?

[Roy]

Sam Darnold, how was he redeemed?

[Dan Le Batard]

Sam Darnold got five chances from five teams who knew he had a pro skill set. Kurt Warner got one because he was begging groceries.

[Roy]

Sam Darnold came from being all the way down to all the way. That's redemption. Kurt Warner just can't literally came out of nowhere with immediate success. That's not redemption.

[Dan Le Batard]

The entire league did not want him before that. He didn't have a. He didn't. He wasn't bagging groceries because he had a lot of full time NFL off.

[Stugotz]

Here's how it would go for them to have the same level of adversity. Sam Darnold, on his sixth stop, was told, I don't think this sport is for you. And then he can't find work, and then he has to stock a grocery shelf because he has to provide for a family and he doesn't have a job anymore.

[Roy]

I disagree. Kurt Warner found success immediately in the NFL.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, Roy, I want some details on this, but I'm just gonna. Just. Just so that you understand why Sam Darnold's not allowed to be this. Kurt Warner was taking his right arm and putting pinto beans on the shelf. And they said, okay, you run the greatest show on turf. And then he came in, and that is what redemption looks and feels and sounds like.

[Stugotz]

It was a hy vee grocery store in Cedar Falls, Iowa.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do we know anything about whether he was actually stocking the shelves and bagging groceries? Because that once I was promoted when I started as a bag boy at Publix and then I was promoted to stocking within. But when on busy days, that's how.

[Stugotz]

Shopping becomes a pleasure. Yep.

[Dan Le Batard]

On the busiest days, I would have to go back and then also bag groceries after being promoted.

[Chris Zaslow]

Versatile of you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, because, you know, we were understaffed and then, you know, they had. They had to do at a hands on deck. Yeah.

[Chris Zaslow]

You know, you did. You made a way.

[Stugotz]

He stocked shelves and based products for 550 an hour on a night shift.

[Roy]

By the way, you guys, I feel like. I feel like I'm taking crazy pills. If someone wins the super bowl in their very first year in the NFL, that's not redemption. It's immediate success. It's a success story.

[Dan Le Batard]

No one wanted him before that, though. Okay. He was available to every, every team and he wasn't going to be the starter like Sam Bogdan.

[Stugotz]

And you have to understand, like, there was a whole, like, final act for Kurt Warner in which the entire league once again didn't want him. And he was like Matt Leinert's backup in Arizona and he took the Arizona flipping Cardinals.

[Roy]

He was awesome.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's why put it on the poll plays more of a redemption story. Sam Darnold or Kurt Warner. John Elway was put parenthetically. Kurt Warner, former bag boy just to load the poll weighted in our direction. I like Chris Cody sort of throwing over his shoulder. I feel like we're getting bogged down here. Yes, of course they made a movie about it. Of course we. Well. But made a movie.

[Stugotz]

They're not making a movie about Sam Darnold. They're not making a movie about Sam Darnold.

[Dan Le Batard]

They may. They may.

[Stugotz]

I feel confident in this. No movie. Maybe a documentary.

[Chris Zaslow]

Gingers are never the lead.

[Stugotz]

They're not. They're not giving Sam Darnold the lead. He's got to be way more interesting.

[Chris Zaslow]

Not a real ginger, by the way.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why not?

[Chris Zaslow]

Not a purebred.

[Dan Le Batard]

What do you mean?

[Chris Zaslow]

You don't get to make this decision. I do.

[Stugotz]

I know what he means.

[Chris Zaslow]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

His skin is fine.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, what is it?

[Stugotz]

Hold on.

[Chris Zaslow]

What is that?

[Stugotz]

He doesn't need that freckle sunblock.

[Chris Zaslow]

He's got an orange. These orange beard guys. They're not ginger.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he's just a redhead. He's not a ginger. Yeah, I get him. I Know what you mean.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you elaborate though?

[Chris Zaslow]

You just did.

[Dan Le Batard]

You did.

[Chris Zaslow]

And the number one rule is you.

[Roy]

Don'T get to decide.

[Chris Zaslow]

I do.

[Stugotz]

He does. It's a freckles. It's the SPF on your face. It's. When I go outside, I need a long sleeve shirt. That's what he's.

[Chris Zaslow]

He takes his shirt off very commonly.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, he's pretty pale though, I think.

[Stugotz]

Telling you he's just a white with red hair.

[Chris Zaslow]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Is Sam Darnold a true ginger or is he just a white with red hair?

[Chris Zaslow]

Were you arguing this yesterday at your party? You don't want to know. Who are you arguing against? The old whites.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

They were already up in arms because they didn't like that.

[Stugotz]

Hold your position. You're right. He doesn't go through the same kind of adversity that you do.

[Chris Zaslow]

I was bullied way more than him.

[Dan Le Batard]

How did your father's gourmet meal go over? Was he pleased? Because I'm looking at the screen here and he's pale. He's the kind of pale.

[Roy]

He freckles all over his neck.

[Dan Le Batard]

He doesn't. I don't.

[Chris Zaslow]

You want to see all over?

[Stugotz]

He's just white.

[Chris Zaslow]

No, look at my elbow.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't want to see all over.

[Stugotz]

I'll look at your elbow.

[Dan Le Batard]

While you guys are getting frustrated by my constant need for elaboration here, I still don't feel like this has been accurately tackled. And I believe we're the show in America who is doing this correctly today. So I'd like to go from being stuck in the mud on the redemption stories of Sam Darnold and Kurt Warner because it's very difficult to talk about.

[Chris Zaslow]

Where you want to know a real ginger? Do you want to know a real ginger?

[Stugotz]

I do.

[Chris Zaslow]

Andy Dalton.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Chris Zaslow]

That's a purebred.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Chris Zaslow]

That guy gets it. That guy. You look at his arms. That's a ginger. Let me see. Sam, Donald Darnold.

[Dan Le Batard]

So it's freckles. So it's freckles.

[Chris Zaslow]

It's the whole package.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, but his package.

[Chris Zaslow]

And you're like ginger or not ginger.

[Dan Le Batard]

His package is pale. And I imagine it could have freckles if it had. If his package had freckles, would you nominate it? Would it. It if. If I told you think my package has freckles? Yes, I believe that the freckles are all over. I believe that's part of what we're doing here. Yes, I believe.

[Chris Zaslow]

Now there's a ginger.

[Dan Le Batard]

I believe that.

[Chris Zaslow]

Look at that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't see the difference. It's a little.

[Roy]

What?

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't see the difference?

[Chris Zaslow]

Side by side.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put them next to each other and you tell me who's paler. You tell me who's pale.

[Chris Zaslow]

That's just a different conversation.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's part of the origin. It's. Put it. Put them next to each other.

[Chris Zaslow]

Am I talking to. Okay, I think we're getting bogged.

[Stugotz]

He just doesn't get it.

[Chris Zaslow]

It.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're the expert.

[Stugotz]

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[Chris Zaslow]

It's better this spring.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Zaslow]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Zaslow]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Zaslow]

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[Stugotz]

Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

I ain't cheating.

[Roy]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Stugotz]

I have a list of people that you can make a ruling on.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right. All right.

[Stugotz]

Mark McGuire.

[Chris Zaslow]

Purebred.

[Stugotz]

Nicole Kidman.

[Chris Zaslow]

She's got. She's English.

[Dan Le Batard]

Australian.

[Stugotz]

She's Australian. She's Australian.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hail doesn't have anything to do.

[Stugotz]

I think. Think she's just a lady with red hair.

[Chris Zaslow]

Yeah. But not a purebred.

[Stugotz]

Emma Stone.

[Chris Zaslow]

Purebred. Nope. I take that back.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait. What?

[Chris Zaslow]

I need to see her arms.

[Stugotz]

Delonte West. You can get back to it.

[Chris Zaslow]

Yeah. Andy Dalton is the. Is my number one right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, you keep saying number one, but when they get up on the screen. Darnold next to andy Dalton, Reba McIntyre.

[Chris Zaslow]

She dies that thing. He dies that thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

What thing dies that day?

[Stugotz]

Ed Sheeran.

[Chris Zaslow]

Oh, that's a pure bear right there. Andy Dahl, Ned Sheeran. Those are my. That's my poker.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is this lighting on the screen when they flip back and forth?

[Chris Zaslow]

That is just clearly ginger. Fake ginger. Ginger. Fake ginger. I mean, it's just like night and day here.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, I will grant you that Andy Dalton's head is redder than Sam Darnold's head, but his. His beard is not redder than Sam Darnold's beard. And you're doing more than a beard on hair. Yeah, but skin. Andy Dalton has more tan than Sam Darnold does Prince Harry.

[Chris Zaslow]

Oh, he's like an eight.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sam Darnold's practically on the albino spectrum.

[Roy]

I didn't know that he was albino.

[Chris Zaslow]

You're focusing too much on skin, dude. Like, if you really look at me, I'm not even. Like, look at my arms.

[Dan Le Batard]

My arms are.

[Chris Zaslow]

I know. It's bad lighting. I'm not that pale.

[Stugotz]

Like Cynthia Nixon.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think.

[Chris Zaslow]

7.8.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think you're going to do better than Delonte West. I don't. I think that's the best to do in terms of getting the awkward silence you crave.

[Stugotz]

So waiting on a ruling.

[Dan Le Batard]

He has kind of abstained on that one. Huh? Like, did you guys notice that all of a sudden? The guy who wanted to be consulted on all these things.

[Stugotz]

Are you familiar with the Internet conversation?

[Chris Zaslow]

He's having some issues right now.

[Stugotz]

No, no, no, no. Not that.

[Chris Zaslow]

I'm talking about gingers.

[Stugotz]

Like the gingers. Ginger. Black adjacent stuff.

[Chris Zaslow]

That's true.

[Stugotz]

That's out there.

[Chris Zaslow]

I'm black.

[Stugotz]

I'm sorry.

[Chris Zaslow]

That's what I've heard.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, Blake Griffin.

[Chris Zaslow]

Not pure.

[Stugotz]

What?

[Dan Le Batard]

What?

[Stugotz]

He's got the freckles.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's got the whole thing.

[Stugotz]

He's got to wear.

[Chris Zaslow]

He's moving the goal post, guys.

[Roy]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on now, Dan, you said it has nothing to do with paleness. You said it has nothing.

[Chris Zaslow]

6.3.

[Dan Le Batard]

What?

[Stugotz]

Ma'?

[Chris Zaslow]

Am. More than half.

[Stugotz]

9 out of 10. But you know what? This is your plight.

[Dan Le Batard]

All of a sudden, he doesn't want to be the ruler. He wanted to be the ginger ruler a second ago. And then he gets put in the position to ginger rule, and he says, I don't want Delonte West. And then he says he's been having problems recently. He just leaves that out there for no. I know.

[Stugotz]

It's been like 15 years.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's been a long time. It hasn't been just recent.

[Stugotz]

Not just a new thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not what we were talking about, though. We were isolating simply pure ginger. Not pure ginger. You said you get to decide. So I throw it to you, and what do you do? You abstain immediately. Late.

[Chris Zaslow]

I'm going to have to, like, think I can't just. I got to do research on this stuff. I don't.

[Dan Le Batard]

You had no problem doing it with Darnold and Dalton.

[Chris Zaslow]

Well, because I've done those re. I've done the Research for that where.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaslow, like, honestly, this is going to be a very difficult thing to measure. Where are we going to classify Sam Darnold as quarterback for all times? Because when you get one of these, basically, let's play word association. If I say Brad Johnson or Trent Dilfer, there's one thing you think of, yeah, he won it one year. It's not the rest of it. It's just, yeah, he won it once. And Sam Darnold now has a resume over the last 38 games. It's not a small sample. It's more than Drake May has played over the last 38 games. Sam Darnold is doing more winning than anybody.

[Roy]

There's now a pretty fair chance that Sam Darnold is going to be in the hall of Fame one day.

[Chris Zaslow]

No.

[Stugotz]

No way.

[Roy]

There's a fair chance, Dan. He's only been the league for seven years. He's got a lot of career left, and he just won a Super Bowl. There's a fair chance that he's going to be in the hall of Fame.

[Stugotz]

I'm with you. No, right now, if you were to project, he's got a shot.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just put him with. I just put him. I did that purposely. I just put him with Brad Johnson and Trent Dilfer as one of the worst quarterbacks to win a Super Bowl. And look, I'm not actually discrediting the fact that he's 317 over the last 38 games, but he's not the Super Bowl MVP and shouldn't be. Like, he's not the reason. He's the reason they won that Rams game, and they needed to win that Rams game, and he's the reason they won that Rams game, but he's not the reason they won the Super Bowl.

[Chris Zaslow]

So if Sam Darnold. You're saying Zaz is a Hall of Famer because of the projection of what's going forward and what he's done recently? Do you not put Jalen Hurts in that same class who basically kind of has identical stats to Sam Donald the.

[Stugotz]

Last couple of years?

[Chris Zaslow]

Super Bowl, super bowl mvp.

[Roy]

There's a fair chance that Jalen Hurts will be in the hall of Fame. Let's say there's a great chance. There's a fair chance.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I don't believe so. Now, I understand that winning gets assigned to quarterbacks even though it's not a quarterback stat, because it's not. Okay, Sam Darnold's not a better quarterback than Drake May. He's not. He's won more the last Two years. He's not better than Drake May. He's not going to be better than Drake May. He's not. If I gave, if I gave Drake May what it is that Sam Darnold had, he would have won by a lot more yesterday than Sam Darnold won. Sam Darnold's not the reason they won that game. He is the reason they didn't lose that game because he's the only way they could have lost that game. Like he's legitimately the only way they could have lost that game.

[Roy]

I agree that Drake May is a better quarterback than Sam Darnold, but I'm not willing to say it as defiant as you are. Like we would have been saying this about CJ Strap crowd a couple of years ago as well. Heck, are we a hundred percent sure on Jaden Daniels? Like, yeah, I think Drake May is better than Sam Donald, but I'm not a thousand percent sure like you appear to be.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think it was made pretty evident in everything that happened yesterday whose supporting cast was better. Of this we will get no dispute. And Sam Darnold played quarterback better yesterday because there were plenty of times he was pressured also and he didn't actually make the mistake he makes customarily, but he led the league in turnovers. Like, I'm not making that stat up.

[Stugotz]

Sportsman. This is great. Keep it going. I like this. This is a good debate. An old fashioned sports debate broke out on the sports radio show.

[Chris Zaslow]

What's happening? I'm telling you, I know guys like this. If you ask Sam Darnold, he wouldn't say. He would say I'm not a ginger.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, he would.

[Chris Zaslow]

These guys, they don't want.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't want this smoke.

[Stugotz]

No, you don't.

[Chris Zaslow]

These guys don't want to be ginger. What Andy Dalton say he's a ginger. A thousand percent. Andy Dalton would say he's a ginger.

[Dan Le Batard]

What would Delonte west say?

[Chris Zaslow]

He would say no. I don't think he. Like, I'm being honest. I think if you say, are you a ginger? He would be like, no.

[Dan Le Batard]

What about Blake Griffin?

[Chris Zaslow]

I think he would be closer to saying yes. Then.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is it the freckles? It's the freckles.

[Chris Zaslow]

Then it's a combination, Dan.

[Stugotz]

It's just.

[Chris Zaslow]

It's kind of like a porn thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, when you see it, you. But I've got to consult with you. I don't know when I see it.

[Chris Zaslow]

People are wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

When you see it.

[Chris Zaslow]

Well, like unlike porn, other people are just like, oh, ginger. And then you see A little red. And you get so.

[Roy]

Oh.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pale. Freckles, ginger.

[Chris Zaslow]

And like, no.

[Stugotz]

One thing's for sure, you do not have the authority to tell Chris who is ginger and who is not.

[Chris Zaslow]

Za Gak.

[Stugotz]

His plight.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know. I just want definitive rulings from him.

[Stugotz]

On what it is to be what you need.

[Dan Le Batard]

I believe it is as an executive producer in the show. It's almost by definition, his job by.

[Stugotz]

Occupation, but not by race. And this is where you're playing with fire.

[Roy]

How do you know?

[Dan Le Batard]

How'd that get in there?

[Chris Zaslow]

That's how I feel right now.

[Roy]

How do you know?

[Chris Zaslow]

I do.

[Roy]

I know the definition of redemption. The action of saving or being saved from sin, error, or evil. So obviously, we're talking about being safe from error. Okay. John Elway was safe from error. He was.03 in the Super Bowl. He was going to be known as a loser. If Kurt Warner never won the super bowl with the Rams, no one would ever know who he was. He would not be known as some kind of failure. That's what makes Elway a redemption story. Warner is just a great story. He didn't redeem himself from anything.

[Stugotz]

Yes, he did. The league chewed him up and spit him out. He had the opportunity in New York, and they kicked him out of town.

[Roy]

He was already a Super bowl champion at that point.

[Stugotz]

Right, but you're saying, like, he didn't have that going for him, and he did.

[Roy]

Oh, so you're talking about his redemption story, King Aristotle.

[Chris Zaslow]

His whole career.

[Dan Le Batard]

His career as a whole juju. Put it on the poll, please. Is stocking grocery shelves filled with sin, error, and evil. Because I believe, like the phoenix rising, Kurt Warner came from the very bottom rungs of places that Sam Darnold has never and will never have to live because he was a top five pick, and he. He did play for five teams. And I do believe that a whole lot of people are gonna have trouble with whatever it is this looks like next, because we're about to go to the. You do realize, guys, right, Sam Darnold is gonna take over Joe Flacco's place on. Is Sam Darnold elite? When we debate these things on television, like, there is finally somebody who comes for the crown of. Let's argue about whether this person is actually elite or not, even though we know they're not. But they've won a championship, and so they've done things that have demanded that we turn it into a question. You do realize this is the closest thing that we've had since Joe Flacco because It's like, ah, he's not one of the best. He's clearly not one of the best quarterbacks. Maybe I'd put him at the bottom half of the top 10. However, he's won and I must give him credit. So I will merely ask the question if he's elite, thus proving he is not. Because you don't have to ask it.

[Stugotz]

About the elite Michael Fassbender.

[Chris Zaslow]

Nah, he's a Sam Darnold character. Top natural carrot tops. Yeah, the good stuff.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, but what do you mean natural? Like what, what is natural?

[Chris Zaslow]

Every part of it. Every part of it. The skin, the freckles, the hair.

[Dan Le Batard]

But nobody here's faking it, like, natural. There's no one here. There's not.

[Chris Zaslow]

Pure bread. My bad. Pure.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pure versus imposter. Because you're, you're, you're identifying Sam Darnold as an impostor. Ginger put that on the poll as well.

[Chris Zaslow]

Sam Darnold's got like, probably a grandma with red hair. Yeah, like this, this is not a mom or dad situation.

[Stugotz]

What you're saying is your culture is not as costume.

[Chris Zaslow]

That might, that might be what I have to do with it. Like, Sam Darnold seems like a grandpa had red hair and it got down to him through big Hammer. Did he ever had her? Whereas, like me, it's like my mom, Ginger, she gave it right to me. Pure.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll, please. At Levitard show, is Sam Darnold an imposter? Ginger. And also, where's. Where's Dick Hammer last week?

[Chris Zaslow]

See what he looked like in his 20s.

[Dan Le Batard]

Last week in. In super bowl week coverage, only contribution that you had creatively was to deny that you had any responsibility for that sound of Dick Hammer haunting our show.

[Stugotz]

Scalabrini.

[Chris Zaslow]

Dick Hammer was trying to. That's a pure. Dick Hammer was trying to tell us something all week that the Seahawks were onto something.

[Dan Le Batard]

But look at Dick Hammer right here. You have the original.

[Chris Zaslow]

It must have been his wife. Like his grandma. Grandma Hammer grammar. I'm telling you, it's not a parent. Show me Sam Donald's parents. I guarantee you there's not a ginger grandparent either.

[Dan Le Batard]

From the phone, just Grandpa.

[Chris Zaslow]

We got three other options, but.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you're saying that he refers to his grandma as grammar because it's Grandma Hammer and you combine the two and. So you're saying David Caruso.

[Chris Zaslow]

I gotta look him up.

[Stugotz]

The dude from CSI Miami that would walk away from explosions.

[Chris Zaslow]

Oh, yeah, that's a pure.

[Roy]

You refer to him as the guy from CSI not from NYPD Blue.

[Stugotz]

I could tell that he didn't know who David Caruso was. King of New York, Conan, Jade.

[Chris Zaslow]

Conan's appear.

[Roy]

Jade's a good movie.

[Stugotz]

He's twins.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike that is an amazing radar you have for insecurities in our group that you were able to see from looking at the back of Chris's head that he had no idea who David Caruso was. That whatever it is that's happening in terms of where it is, he tries to mask his insecurity. Under all that red hair and freckles he's got on the back of his neck, you you could see he had no idea who Caruso is.

[Chris Zaslow]

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