Hour 1: The Inconclusive Legacy Game (feat. Nate Tice)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – Hour 1: The Inconclusive Legacy Game (feat. Nate Tice)
Release Date: April 22, 2025

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Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz dive deep into the multifaceted world of sports and pop culture from their base at the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami. The conversation spans an array of topics, including the evolving landscape of professional wrestling on ESPN, a critical analysis of the TV show White Lotus, and an engaging segment featuring NFL analyst Nate Tice discussing the upcoming draft. This comprehensive summary captures the essence of their discussions, enriched with notable quotes and insightful perspectives.

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Professional Wrestling’s Infiltration into ESPN’s Programming

[01:44]
Dan Le Batard kicks off the discussion by highlighting a significant shift in ESPN's approach to sports entertainment, particularly how professional wrestling has begun to intertwine with traditional sports journalism.

Dan Le Batard: "We're gonna play Naughty or Tice with Nate Tice and Billy Gill of God Bless Football to get our draft information."

[02:08] - [07:48]
The hosts delve into the recent events involving Pat McAfee and Shannon Sharpe’s tumultuous appearances on ESPN. They critique the blending of wrestling-style drama with factual sports reporting, suggesting that the lines between entertainment and journalism are blurring.

Dan Le Batard: "Wrestling's going to Netflix. Tony Khan knows how to sell stuff in the streaming service. ESPN's going to get into the wrestling fighting information business."

The conversation touches on Pat McAfee’s charismatic yet controversial presence, comparing his role to that of a wrestling superstar, and questioning the implications for ESPN’s credibility.

Pat McAfee: "You don't care about the opinions of most people who are very relevant in your life. You don't get what the opinions are."

Additionally, the hosts discuss the strategic leak of Shannon Sharpe's contract details, pondering the motives behind releasing this information over the weekend to sway public perception during intense discussion periods.

Dan Le Batard: "Strategically, over the weekend, it leaks Shannon Sharpe's contract worth $100 million... Why is this happening now?"

The Rise of WWE on Traditional Sports Platforms

[07:48] - [10:05]
Nate Tice and Billy Gill analyze how WWE is leveraging ESPN's platform to reach a broader audience. They discuss Paul Heyman’s aggressive heel persona and the mutual benefits derived from integrating WWE content into ESPN’s lineup.

Nate Tice: "That's the most pro wrestling, I think, that's ever been on ESPN television."

The hosts acknowledge the strong relationship between WWE and ESPN, suggesting that this collaboration is mutually beneficial despite potential controversies.

Billy Gill: "ESPN suits were watching that and being like, awesome."

Critical Analysis of the TV Show White Lotus

[10:05] - [24:16]
Transitioning from sports entertainment, the hosts shift focus to the critically acclaimed TV series White Lotus. They dissect the show's conclusion, expressing mixed feelings about its ending being "inconclusive," especially for a "legacy game."

Dan Le Batard: "A legacy game has to be conclusive."

The discussion highlights how the finale left many plotlines unresolved, leading to dissatisfaction among viewers who had invested emotionally in the characters and story arcs.

Dan Le Batard: "If he'd gone totally dark with how beautiful... the ending was just not artful."

Nate Tice and other panelists weigh in, debating whether the show’s finale was satisfying and pondering if future seasons could redeem the inconclusive ending.

Chris Cody: "I think he can reel me back in with season four. If season four is good, I'll be back in."

The hosts also compare the storytelling techniques of White Lotus to pro wrestling, noting similarities in character development and dramatic plot twists.

Nate Tice: "It's about being there for moments. And Mike got several moments this weekend, which makes it an amazing time."

Nate Tice on the NFL Draft

[28:07] - [37:20]
The episode warmly welcomes Nate Tice, an NFL analyst from Yahoo Sports, who brings his expertise to discuss the upcoming NFL Draft. The segment begins with light-hearted chatter before shifting to more substantive analysis.

Nate Tice: "Most interested, I just want to see where the quarterbacks end up because there's been a lot of hoopla."

Tice offers insights into key draft prospects, focusing on quarterback Shador Sanders and the predictability of his selection. He emphasizes the variability and lack of consensus surrounding this year's draft class.

Jessica: "Shador Sanders experience... it's been a very different age."

The conversation explores the depth and value of various position groups, highlighting that running backs are arguably the deepest class, with significant talent available even in later rounds.

Jessica: "I would say the deepest position is running back."

Engaging Trivia: Naughty or Tice

[41:10] - [46:24]
In a lively and interactive segment titled "Naughty or Tice," the hosts play a game where Nate Tice answers questions by choosing between being "naughty" or offering his perspective as Tice. The game is filled with banter, humor, and spontaneous moments, reflecting the show's signature energetic style.

Dan Le Batard: "Naughty or Tice? Shador Sanders deserves to have his jersey retired at Colorado."

Despite some confusion initially, the segment becomes a playful highlight, allowing listeners to engage with Nate in a more relaxed and entertaining format.

Stugotz: "Can I propose a spin off to Nadia or Tice? Naughty and Tice."

Closing Remarks and Final Thoughts

[46:24] - End
As the episode wraps up, the hosts share a few final thoughts, including shout-outs to Nate Tice’s playing career and humorous exchanges that underscore the camaraderie and light-hearted nature of the show.

Dan Le Batard: "Your eyes are lagoons, Tice."

The episode concludes with acknowledgments and light-hearted commentary, leaving listeners with a sense of community and anticipation for future episodes.

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Dan Le Batard [02:08]: "Wrestling's going to Netflix. Tony Khan knows how to sell stuff in the streaming service."
• Pat McAfee [05:25]: "I'm Pat McAfee. Watch me swing my schlong all over the place."
• Nate Tice [07:48]: "That's the most pro wrestling, I think, that's ever been on ESPN television."
• Dan Le Batard [10:05]: "A legacy game has to be conclusive."
• Nate Tice [28:07]: "Most interested, I just want to see where the quarterbacks end up because there's been a lot of hoopla."
• Dan Le Batard [41:11]: "Naughty or Tice? Shador Sanders deserves to have his jersey retired at Colorado."
• Dan Le Batard [46:25]: "Your eyes are lagoons, Tice."

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz masterfully navigates through diverse topics, offering listeners a blend of in-depth analysis, humor, and spirited discussion. From dissecting the merging worlds of professional wrestling and sports journalism to scrutinizing the narrative choices of White Lotus and exploring the intricacies of the NFL Draft with Nate Tice, the show delivers rich, engaging content that resonates with both avid sports fans and casual listeners alike.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Because people need their football. Nate Tice is gonna join us here in a segment executive produced by Billy Gill. We're gonna play Naughty or Tice with Nate Tice and Billy Gill of God Bless Football to get our draft information. Billy is looking through papers right now wondering what is Naughty or Tice.

[Billy Gill]

You know, though it's one of those games, you hear it, you know, I.

[Dan Le Batard]

Think Billy just found out that he's executive producing that segment. We'll get to it in a moment. Also, I still want to get to Wrestlemania because we have not. And I also want to get to the stuff happening with McAfee and Shannon Sharpe because wrestling happened yesterday on ESPN. And if you're welcoming in the age of wrestlers and wrestling and it's all content and it's all drama, what happened on McAfee's show is about some inner office tensions there. That super interesting to me, watching the athletes come and try and run off the journalists like Stephen A. Smith isn't going to. Stephen A. Smith might be the coolest of us, but it's a new time, and McAfee and Shannon Sharpe are in the $100 million game. Before I'm going to let play out some of the Shannon Sharpe stuff, because there's time to know what's true or what's not. I'm just going to address what I saw happen this weekend, which was strategic. Over the weekend, it. It leaks Shannon Sharpe contract up worth $100 million, whatever the numbers were. And I'm like, why would that come out on the weekend? Oh, because then everything that comes after that can be framed as money grab or whatever it is that people do when they're arguing about money. And now accusations of rape inside of a consensual relationship. The money was leaked first, and then you get what you got yesterday from Shannon Sharpe. Busby's a lawyer that does these things. But I'm not going to try and talk about the particulars of who's right, who's wrong. I just thought it was interesting that purposely money is leaked on the weekend, and I'm like, why is this happening now? Who's doing this and why? And then what happens the next day as you find that McAfee and Shannon Sharpe and Stephen A. Smith are becoming a class of journalist, celebrity entertainer. It's all wrestling. Wrestling's going to Netflix. Tony Khan knows how to sell stuff in the streaming service. ESPN's going to get into the wrestling fighting information business. All of it mixed together. What happened yesterday on ESPN is something I've never seen watching ESPN in my lifetime, where Pat McAfee, who's independent as part of a wrestling promotion where he stars because he's a monster media talent. An event that Mike Ryan goes with his buddies to and that Zaslow wants to cover. McAfee, a giant star, has a wrestling superstar manager on, and that guy's too hot for television. Like, what he's doing cannot be controlled by Disney. Wrestling has arrived to Disney. And it's like, here's what it looks like. We're in the middle of your game, and we're going to say McAfee smoking pot and he's mother bleep. And Stephen A. Smith. Let's play that sound so that people can hear as McAfee gets sheepish. And they all do wrestling on television in a way that's great if you like drama and entertainment and wrestling storyline.

[Pat McAfee]

Do you care about the opinions of people who are irrelevant? You don't care about the opinions of most people who are very relevant in your life. You don't get what the opinions are. The people who pay, they sit there and they go, hey, Mr. McAfee, don't talk about Shannon Sharp on the air today. And you go, I talk about anything I want. I'm Pat McAfee. Watch me swing my schlong all over the place. They go, mcafee, don't talk about your podcast on the air. What do you do? I'm King Schlong. Watch me Pat McAfee, right? This is on you. This is about you. Not me. Not me. Last night when the roast was over and you and I were out back, and you're going live spit. By the way, it's puff, puff, pass. Not puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, puff, chase down the gummy. Puff, puff, puff, puff, pass, right? And you go, wise man. You know, Stephen. Stephen A. Smith really sucks, right? And I go, I love Stephen A. The man calls me the goat. The man, Stephen A. Smith is on the air saying, if there's one person in the universe that I, Stephen a. Smith, at $70 billion a year here wannabe, it's the wise man, Paul Heyman. And you sit there and you go, dzbn bastards give me the same money as him. Or they can. No, that's not true. None of that's true.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've loved professional wrestling all my life.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, that's not even, like the clip that went super viral for. For Paul Heyman there, where he's saying, you look like you're about to get deported to one of the people. And he's just going like, he's trying to get a new heel Persona. He's always kind of been heel adjacent, but he's launching a more aggressive heel character, and he's using the Pat McAfee show to do it by doing things that are considered third rail did a good enough job in protecting Pat. Pat being like the traffic cop. Like, no, you can't do that. And so maybe he hears about it, maybe he doesn't. But WWE and Pat McAfee and ESPN clearly have a very good, strong relationship. They find this mutually beneficial. WWE produced an incredible event that Pat had at the. At the Penguins arena that was all entirely a WWE production that went on Hulu or that ESPN used. So I think that that's. That's actually pro wrestling happening on. On a television show. I'm not reading too much into it, even though it gets people's attention.

[Nate Tice]

That's the most pro wrestling, I think, that's ever been on ESPN television. And it's. It's not a coincidence that it comes from that guy, because that guy, Paul Heyman, is so embarrassing. Embedded in this is the gimmick. And we're. If a camera's on or if we're recording something, then I am in the gimmick. And that was what we saw. You know, it's leading up to what he wanted to take place and ended up taking place last night, you know, and this is a very bitter man and he's angry, and he brought that on television there. And he's old school pro wrestling, where. Yeah, it doesn't matter that I'm on your stage. This is me. This is my.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. But when you guys talk about old school pro wrestling, I don't know how the rest of the room feels. I have not asked Billy, Jessica, Chris, or Roy how they feel about the grown man allegiances that Zaz and Mike Ryan have to the entertainment spectacle that is WrestleMania and professional wrestling.

[Nate Tice]

I love it.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, I see what you're trying to do there. We're not the guys that fell for pro wrestling. You are like, y'all thought that Paul Heyman was doing something like super dangerous that was very controversial because he just invoked some names like, that was a. That was pro wrestling.

[Billy Gill]

He brought up the lawsuit.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, that's pro wrestling. It's pro wrestling. And he got heat and he got. He got his bit over. He's one of the greatest minds in the history of pro wrestling in terms of getting things over.

[Billy Gill]

So you think ESPN suits were watching that and being like, awesome.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm sure there's a suit. I'm sure that maybe it was at least communicate it even before or after. But this is a work. Like, don't work yourself into a.

[Nate Tice]

You know what a work is? You know what that means?

[Dan Le Batard]

I do, yes. And I would say that Mike Ryan is applying some expertise here that when egos get involved. Mike, like, I understand that you might cite it as a work. McAfee would know. It's a work. Not everybody at ESPN is in on that particular joke. And so we have learned on occasion, when we are doing the joke at the expense of Dana White, who might not have the same sense of humor as we have that sometimes what we think is a work and know is a work and the audience knows is a work is not taken as a work by a Dana White who might have a different view of things.

[Mike Ryan]

I totally understand. And if someone on First Take feels some some way about it, it would be explained to them the way that we explained our bits to people that took offense. Buster only not liking the looks like game. Like we've had all these things happen and we've had to explain this is the kind of show that we do. We didn't mean to hurt your feelings. We understand. We're committed to our show and McAfee is very truly committed to. I think the wrestling thing is the thing that he enjoys the most. I hit the show probably that that afforded him this opportunity to have all these crazy doors open. But the Pat McAfee that you get on WWE seems genuinely like the happiest to be there. I think that's the most fun he has.

[Nate Tice]

He got choked out last night on live television in the show.

[Stugotz]

Spoiler alert.

[Dan Le Batard]

You guys were living and dying with WrestleMania. So what were the takeaways between the two of you? Because Zazzle hasn't offered me anything other than Cena 17 time champion.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, if you want to mark out, go for it, Zaz. I'm sure I love the spectacle of it. It's always a great part of the air.

[Nate Tice]

This is the way wrestling has changed for me from when I'm a kid where, okay, I'm rooting for certain wrestlers. I want certain guys to win because I'm a child to now as I'm older. It's more about. Especially if I go and Mike went to WrestleMania. I didn't. You want go into a wrestling event now? For me as an adult, I want to be part of a moment. I want to be part of something big. I want to be there when the crowd all simultaneously, all 60,000 people at that arena, at that stadium this weekend, they're all cheering at the same time for the same thing. It's a great feeling. I love the emotion that comes that it's about being there for moments. And Mike got several moments this weekend, which makes it an amazing time.

[Billy Gill]

Isn't John Cena, though, the face of like the PG era of wrestling?

[Nate Tice]

Well, and now he's a real piece of garbage, this John Cena.

[Dan Le Batard]

But are we.

[Stugotz]

Are we another pg?

[Billy Gill]

Are we liking this? Like, are we buying this is I. I'm seeing some people being like they're.

[Stugotz]

It.

[Billy Gill]

Like it feels like wrestling is just. I Don't know. It just feels almost, like, lazy.

[Mike Ryan]

It. It look that Triple H very clearly took offense to people criticizing the build to WrestleMania, and I think the build was the build. And Triple H can say you don't know where it's going, but we're just in a vacuum criticizing the lead up to it. It does actually seem like there's clarity in the direction of this heel character. John. John Cena turned heel a month and a half ago, and he just found his character, and he's just starting to get it over, beginning with last night. That probably was a disappointment. The. The very main event.

[Nate Tice]

And I think that's part of it, though. I think they want you to be disappointed. They wanted you to be angry at them. That's part of this story. I mean, some people want you to.

[Billy Gill]

Be disappointed after a main event.

[Nate Tice]

Well, I mean, I think you got to look at the bigger picture, where it's like, hey, the whole show is not just the main event. Like. Like, Mike, maybe you didn't like the main event. Did you think. Did you have a great time? Did you think it was a great show?

[Mike Ryan]

I thought the. The. The triple threat match. That one.

[Jessica]

That's what matters.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was a great show.

[Nate Tice]

You had a great time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

No, it's a spectacle every time. I enjoy it. And I actually spoke to a friend of the show that is working on a project exploring different types of sports with them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Go on.

[Mike Ryan]

And he took into account this WrestleMania event for the first time, not knowing anything about it. And it was really cool to kind of be texting with that person as they were experiencing it, kind of being swept away by the spectacle.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's nice that you tried to protect your source, but somebody revealed that source on yesterday's show, and I was learning of who it is you were at WrestleMania with, at least in part, because that person was trying to learn about what the WrestleMania experience is, because that person doesn't think that what you guys are attached to here is a sane thing, that human beings should be emotionally invested.

[Nate Tice]

It's ridiculous. Why would anyone. Why does.

[Jessica]

I don't.

[Nate Tice]

I just don't understand the part where people have a problem with other people enjoying a show. That's what it boils down to.

[Mike Ryan]

I get it, but.

[Nate Tice]

You do?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I didn't like Big Bang Theory. I thought people that liked it were not my type of people. So I get.

[Nate Tice]

But are you telling people, don't watch Big Bang Theory. You shouldn't be watching that?

[Mike Ryan]

I would.

[Nate Tice]

You're an adult.

[Mike Ryan]

I would. I mean, I'm more chill now that I'm older. There was a time where I'm like, how can this be a good show? How do you like this show? I don't understand it. And then I realized art is subjective, and if people put their heart and soul into it, I shouldn't be criticizing it all that much. But to me, it's no different than being a fan of the Last of Us. But wrestling events, though, wrestling fans do kind of deserve the ribbing.

[Billy Gill]

Such a good shout on that show. He couldn't have picked a better show. It's just a polarizing show. Some people really love it. And you're just like, why the Last of Us? No, no, no. I'm talking about Big Bang Theory. Very polarizing.

[Chris Cody]

I thought you were talking about the Last of Us too, which, by the way, season one was really scary. So I decided I'm not going to watch season two, but I am going to lurk. I'm going to be aware of that.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's been. It started strong, it's visually fantastic, and.

[Chris Cody]

It'S a great show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Everyone likes the acting.

[Billy Gill]

It's a good show. I just finished that one, by the way. And season two, Season three.

[Stugotz]

Oh, I have.

[Billy Gill]

I have thoughts.

[Mike Ryan]

Can we talk about it now? Can it?

[Dan Le Batard]

Is the embargo spoiler Wednesday? It's Wednesday. White Lotus.

[Mike Ryan]

If you haven't caught up, like, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert. Like, it's very interesting to see how people, like, view the relationship of Walton Goggins character a little bit, because there were some people that were really devastated by it. And as someone that kind of was just passively following it, I understand the trauma, but they did a lot of foreshadowing that this wasn't actually going to go anywhere and it led to demise. Like, so I don't. There are people that are really swept up and romanticizing it, and you can kind of tell some people have had trauma in their lives, and I get why they associate it that way, but I didn't think that this was, like, it wasn't couples goals to me, the way that a lot of people felt like it was.

[Chris Cody]

No, I. The last part, 100% agree with you. I was not really sold on the emotional arcs of several of the characters this season simply because I just don't think the writing was as tight as the first couple seasons. Like, I think there was just not enough to make me really invested.

[Dan Le Batard]

My appraisal toward the end of it was that they copped out and if he'd gone totally Dark with how beautiful. And again, spoiler alert, spoiler alert, spoiler alert. If they had stayed with the only one who died amid the riches was the kid who was looking up at the Buddhists. The artistry of all of that. Visually, if they had ended dark with death, that ending would have been beautiful. But instead they just wrapped up all the storylines after that, including spa owner waves as if she's on a cruise ship. And they just sort of wrapped it up in a way that wasn't artful. That was my criticism of the end of it. But the journey of it, where that's the death that you get and the plot twist. I understand why everybody was or so many people were watching that show and then that the conclusion of it would be unsatisfying. Because why? Because they wanted different results. They wanted.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think it was unsatisfying. I think it kind of delivered in that it gave you a moment to discuss. People can have their opinions as to whether or not it was good or bad, but I think everybody was there for the event. And in terms of like an appointment viewing event, the White Lotus finale did kind of deliver on that and giving you talking points.

[Chris Cody]

It's a very entertaining show. And I just think that the characters in this season weren't the strongest, especially compared to the first two seasons, which were shorter seasons and shorter episodes and sort of had delivered more of a punch.

[Nate Tice]

I don't think it's that entertaining. I think it's intriguing. I think it's an intriguing show, but most weeks I feel like nothing is happening.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's easy to watch, though, because it's a mystery.

[Chris Cody]

Can you be intrigued by something but not be entertained by it? Because I think entertainment is intriguing sometimes.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, yes, pro wrestling sometimes.

[Nate Tice]

That is entertaining and intriguing.

[Chris Cody]

But if you're intrigued, you must be a little bit entertained to be intrigued.

[Nate Tice]

I'm interested. No, because I want to find out the mystery. I want to find out what's going to happen. Doesn't necessarily mean I'm entertained. Every some weeks I'm sitting there for.

[Stugotz]

60 minutes like, where's the entertainment line for you? Like, what is what crosses? And you're like, now I'm entertained.

[Chris Cody]

How intrigued do you need to be?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a good question. How intrigued do you have to be to cross over into entertain? Because Goggins is having a moment to have both of those shows going Sunday nights where he's the critical character he's been for all this time with McBride and others, he's been number two. He's rising to a number one, especially because on gemstones, he's using a prosthetic of a 78 year old penis.

[Nate Tice]

Amazing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can I get the sound of White Lotus creator Mike White telling his customers, you're not allowed to be a bossy bottom?

[Roy]

There was complaining about how there's no plot, and that part I find weird because it never had a. Like, it's never been. It's like, part of me is just like, bro, this is the vibe. Like, I'm world building. You know what I mean? It's just like, you know, like, you know, if you don't want to go to bed with me, get out of my bed. Like, you know what I mean? I'm edging you. You know, it's like, enjoy the edging. Like, if you don't want to be edged, get out of my bed. Do you mean it's just like, don't be a bossy bottom or get the.

[Jessica]

Out of my bed.

[Roy]

Like, don't come home with me. Don't get naked in my bed. Get the out of my bed.

[Mike Ryan]

Right.

[Chris Cody]

I love being edged by you.

[Roy]

Obviously, something's gonna happen. I'm not gonna just like, yeah, we're not gonna leave you here.

[Chris Cody]

I'm not gonna leave you here with nothing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Seems defensive.

[Stugotz]

Not a great moment for him. I mean, I like him. I used to watch him on Amazing Race and then Survivor. So big Mike White guy, less interested, honestly, in his art than his reality TV appearances. But if you. If you say the sentence I'm world building, you kind of lose me.

[Mike Ryan]

Triple H had the exact same reaction to people criticizing the build of the WrestleMania main event.

[Stugotz]

I mean, it's like, he. He had two good seasons. This one was a bit of a letdown for people. Like, that's fine. You don't have to get, like, so angry about it.

[Chris Cody]

I actually get a fourth one, so.

[Billy Gill]

I actually thought the second and third season were better than the first.

[Dan Le Batard]

Personally, I don't know what the reaction was. Was it a polarizing reaction to both the ending and the entirety of the season? Were there a lot of complaints? Because popular thing growing, which is what this is over three years, though, whatever it is, the more it grows, the more criticism it's going to get, no matter how good it becomes. Until at the end, Game of Thrones is falling apart because there's a Starbucks cup in one of the scenes.

[Stugotz]

Well, I mean, people were criticizing White Lotus, like on season, like on Episod three this season. They were, like, already out on it. They didn't like it from the beginning. And they were just kind of waiting for it to end to find what to complain about. On Mystery Crate, we were saying how the finale was a legacy episode for Mike White. Big episode.

[Dan Le Batard]

And what was the conclusion?

[Stugotz]

Inconclusive.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. I think he can. He can reel me back in with season four. If season four is good, I'll be back in. I just. I think the common criticism, Dan, was that the finale was unearned. It was just not. A lot of it was a little, you know, predictable.

[Nate Tice]

I found it predictable, and that is.

[Chris Cody]

A bummer, because I think the first couple seasons. The way the characters die in the first two seasons are, like, totally absurdist and unpredictable. And the way the characters died in this season was like, in a sad, like, shootout at a resort, Some of.

[Stugotz]

The stuff was, like, rushed. Like, spoiler alert, he shoots his dad. And his dad, like, went and yelled at him. And then. And then the wife was like, that was your dad. And it's like, should have told him.

[Chris Cody]

We did have told Star wars, like, 40 years ago. Like, it was that part. Yeah, it was just a little.

[Nate Tice]

We knew that he was going to be the dad we knew, but that's.

[Billy Gill]

What the big reveal. I did not. That was a surprise.

[Stugotz]

Wait, hold on, Chris. Wait, hold on. Chris, walk us through the surprising moments of this season of White Lotus.

[Billy Gill]

For you, I'm the. The lady saying, he's your dad. He told me this morning that part.

[Stugotz]

Well, what did you think? Who did you think his dad was? I think that had died.

[Billy Gill]

I thought that that guy had killed his dad.

[Mike Ryan]

Sort of Goggins.

[Billy Gill]

I mean, that's how it was set up. The.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, I need to stop. Everyone, just please and forgive me for doing this just because I have to stop. Jessica, for a moment, I thought if something was a Legacy game, whatever happened at the end of that couldn't be inconclusive.

[Stugotz]

It can't. Like Covid tests sometimes. Remember back in, like, the height of COVID you'd go. You wait in the long line. They'd stick the thing up your nose. In your car, you'd have to go like this, and you have to tilt your head back. Then you're waiting around like, can I go on vacation? Can I not? Can I go to work? Can I not? And it comes back. It's like, inconclusive. Like, how. How is this inconclusive? It's like, well, they did it 14 times instead of 15 times. So we don't know if you have it or you don't. Same thing with the Legacy game. Legacy episode. Inconclusive.

[Dan Le Batard]

A legacy game has to be conclusive.

[Stugotz]

No, not always.

[Jessica]

Always.

[Stugotz]

Soccer could be a time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Always. It's a legacy game. If it's a legacy game. If it's for your legacy, must be conclusive.

[Chris Cody]

Now here, I think. I think what the problem is, Dan, there was enough in the finale that we're not writing off the show completely. There was enough moments.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not a legacy game.

[Chris Cody]

Monologue was a moment. There were other, like, small moments. Saxon having his tearful look back at Chelsea after he realized, how is he.

[Stugotz]

The one that grew the most soulless?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, it's a great question.

[Stugotz]

The weirdest part of the season. He's the only one that left a better person than when he got there.

[Billy Gill]

What brother would do that?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, that was a weirder part.

[Stugotz]

Which part?

[Nate Tice]

I think his legacy moment was.

[Billy Gill]

Do you guys call that part too? You guys saw that part coming.

[Dan Le Batard]

Very predictable.

[Stugotz]

I mean.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, yeah, there was like a ton of foreshadowing that something weird was gonna happen.

[Stugotz]

First episode, you're like, okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

Kind of foreshadow. Foreshadowing. Not that, though. Not that much. Not that much.

[Chris Cody]

Mike White gave us enough.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I'll watch season four.

[Chris Cody]

We're willing to suspend the legacy conversation until season four ends.

[Dan Le Batard]

Then it's not a legacy, but season.

[Stugotz]

Four is definitely a legacy season.

[Chris Cody]

It's gotta be good.

[Jessica]

It's gotta be good.

[Stugotz]

Big bounce back season we need.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I don't understand how you're.

[Stugotz]

Legacy. Legacy episode.

[Dan Le Batard]

If it's a legacy thing, it ends Inconclusive.

[Stugotz]

No, it can't sometimes.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no.

[Stugotz]

Have you ever had a medical exam?

[Mike Ryan]

You're inconclusive all the time.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not a legacy medical exam.

[Stugotz]

It depends on what they're testing for.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Billy Gill]

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[Jessica]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard.

[Nate Tice]

That was a long story.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's the only kind he tells.

[Stugotz]

It's a short one for me. I tried to speed it up for you guys.

[Mike Ryan]

You forgot about the league's cup stugats.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

La Carreta is a place where the best of the celebrations has to be the 97 Marlin celebration, because it was Lavon.

[Stugotz]

Well, when Fidel died the first time. This is the Dan Lebatar show with the Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's an NFL analyst for Yahoo. Sports. He's the host of the Football 301 podcast. You can also watch Nate on Yahoo. Sports draft live streaming for the first three rounds on the Yahoo. Sports website and app his first appearance on this show. Thank you for joining us, Nate. Before we get started, though, and play Naughty or Tice, which is the only reason we're having you on, I think you're most interested about what in this upcoming draft. And thank you again for joining us.

[Jessica]

Most interested. I just want to see where the quarterbacks go. As always, I'm basic. You know, quarterbacks, they draw my eyes. I follow the stars. But thank you for having me. But yeah, I just want to see where the quarterbacks end up because there's been a lot of hoopla, a lot of flags being planted. I want to see some of those flags go down.

[Dan Le Batard]

We've already gotten to the hoopla.

[Mike Ryan]

I thought it was who.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, so. All right, we're at the hoopla before we get to draft stuff. Did you see the story with A.J. brown getting his car recovered after it was stolen? Did you see all of this?

[Jessica]

I did not. I did not see A.J. brown's. Was he reading a book and that's why it's got stolen? No, I was a little distracted reading a book.

[Dan Le Batard]

I only bring it up because it's breaking news now, and I expect you to know every single thing that is happening anywhere in sports in. In the sport right now at this time. So you don't know anything about what I'm talking about?

[Mike Ryan]

That'd be a weird.

[Jessica]

I do not mobile. I do not. I'm Five layers deep in the draft, I'm watching Ashton Genti versus Nevada Reno. You know that that's what I'm pulling right now. So did not see A.J. brown do that.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, Billy. Billy. More information on this story, please, as it breaks. Jessica, I'm sorry I interrupted you with the breaking A.J. brown news.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, you didn't interrupt me, Dan. I listened to Nate's podcast with Charles and I'm a huge fan. And he's. He, like he said, he's basic. He wants to see where the quarterbacks go. I'm also basic. I want to see where the quarterbacks go. And right now there's obviously been a lot of news about Shadur Sanders. Where is he a reach? Where is he sort of a good pick? Like, are the Steelers going to take him at 21? Where do you see that unfolding?

[Jessica]

Yeah, I think Steelers kind of seems like the on a floor is the right word or ceiling where he can go highest. Because I think what happened with the Shadow Sanders experience is that experience, I'll say, because it has been experienced this whole draft cycle is that I think was more evaluators started evaluating him. You know, the one, the decision makers, the coaches, the GMs, assistant GMs, the ones up top, they all just kind of went, oh, okay, this is what you are. And this is good and bad. And I think that the realistic slotting for him is starting at pick 20 into the early second round. And you never know because teams get frisky with quarterbacks, especially in the 20s. Oh, our guys dropping, we gotta move up for there. But I think that at pick 20 is where. Or 21, I believe it's where the Steelers are, is really where it starts for him because I just think that it's realistic expectations for him. I view him as a second rounder or a day two guy, as I would put it, because quarterbacks grading gets wonky and where they actually go. But that is kind of, I think more of the consensus than not what has been kind of like publicly happening. And I think it's kind of catching up. And we'll see that on draft night. But the Steelers might be one, but we'll see it can be all over the place because that's how this class, not just quarterbacks, but the entire class of the draft is. There's lack of consensus. So it might be, it might be even more wonky on a Thursday and Friday than we usually see.

[Billy Gill]

Man, I want to listen to the words you're saying, but I'm just so lost in your eyes. Just beautiful eyes.

[Dan Le Batard]

You have swimming. Swimming in lagoons is what it feels like. He said three times. I didn't hear anything else. There were just a couple of wonkies and something else, and. And I was just lost. Swimming in his eyes.

[Jessica]

I know I'm awake, so my eyes are actually open. Usually they're just slits, and then that's all you can usually see with them. So I appreciate that. Appreciate the. The blue eye compliment.

[Stugotz]

Nate, do you know who Andrew Hawkins is?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Who's hotter, him or Method Man?

[Jessica]

Hawkins, definitely.

[Stugotz]

I have an update on the AJ Brown situation. So AJ Brown's car was stolen and he put out on Twitter, Dear Philly, to whoever stole my car last night, I'll make a deal with you. Bring back my car and I won't press charges. Or when I find you today, it's going to be what it's going to be. Take it or leave it. My guy and his car has been returned. But Brown says the police returned his car and the thief is dealing with consequences. So either he found that car and consequences are being dealt with, or he may have lied to the people saying there'd be no consequences if they returned the car. That's the latest at the news desk. I'm Billy Gill.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you. It's a good story. So basically, A.J. brown threatened someone, a thief, to return his car successfully.

[Chris Cody]

He made an ultimatum, it sounds like.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is excellent work by AJ Brown, but I'm surprised that Nate Tice hadn't even heard of the story because again, I know. Well, but I just.

[Stugotz]

If his car was getting drafted, maybe.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's all I know about it.

[Jessica]

I had a late second grade on his car, so I'm surprised it went this early and that he signed a deal to be dropped in the news this early. I thought the new CBA didn't allow that to be signed before the draft.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nate. Jessica, do me this favor, please, and explain to me something I simply don't understand. Because while I love that Greg Cody does his exactos and his mock drafts, and I've been making fun of him about it for 20 years, I believe that Jessica and Nate care about this draft more than reasonable human beings should. I also believe that our friend Mina Kimes cares about mock drafts in general more than she cares about anything else in the world, and I'm genuinely confused by the phenomenon. Please explain it to me in your words.

[Jessica]

Hope. I think that's what it is. I think hope is what you're selling on draft night. And I think that's why they've packaged it, stamped it and sold it to everybody. I think that's really what it is and I think too is that college football is so big that you have people that, hey, we're playing member berries with some of these guys. Hey, this guy, you know him, he won the Heisman. Hey, this guy was really good, a four year starter for your school, which is unlikely now with everyone transferring, but really that's what you're selling to teams is that, that all 32 teams have hope. It's the games haven't started, they haven't started 0 and 6, they haven't started 0 and 5, they haven't fired their head coach, their quarterback isn't actually a lemon, you know, and I think that's what you're selling. And also the draft now, if you notice, is it's rotating all these cold weather cities and I think that's been a great thing for actually the NFL. It's like, well also they make more money off of it so of course it's a great thing for them. But they have gone, oh, the super bowl gets the warm weather cities. Well, how do we reward or bring this event to the fans? And I actually think that's been a good part of this. I know it's in Green Bay this year, which is kind of a pain in the ass for most people to get to, but I know being in Pittsburgh, Chicago, Kansas City, Detroit, Detroit, it was awesome last year. So I think that's a part of it too is that it's the fan event. While the super bowl is the corporate event, the draft is truly the fan event. And I think that's why so many people get hyped up about it.

[Chris Cody]

The college football side of it is why, I mean, I'm a fan of the NFL and college football, but like you said, I love seeing players that I watch playing college get drafted and usually especially in the first round, it's like their dream come true. It's like the best day of their lives unless they get drafted to the Giants or something like that. But I was going through your one of your mock drafts in the car yesterday. I was on like a seven hour car ride and Lehman was just naming players and I was giving their positions and where they went to school just because we were bored. And it seems like a really deep draft for edge rusher specifically. Is that the position group that you think has, has the, the most value later on in the later rounds?

[Jessica]

I would say the deepest position is running back there. There might be double digit running backs in the first two days that that gets selected. I looked it up. The record since the new millennium, since 2000 is 11 in the top three rounds. I think the all time records in mid-90s was like 15 or 14, which is. Tells you it's a different age. But I think that the running back is the deepest class with Ash and Genti two on top. And there might be two or three running backs selected in the first but. But edge is another spot and not just edge. D line in general is pretty good. Pretty deep at the top and into the second day. And actually the. The position that I think has been kind of overlooked a little bit is that there's some depth at offensive line. There might not be the really, really great guys at the top of the draft, but there's a lot of players. I would say late first, early second, that it's a little juicier than you. You'd expect then I think it's been kind of made out to be. And then tight end is another position that has talent at the top. And on day two, some interesting guys there like real tight ends too. Not the Mike Kasiki types. I know I'm giving a shout out to Dolphins fans here, so how dare.

[Dan Le Batard]

You blaspheme against Kaseki types.

[Mike Ryan]

What's wrong with others?

[Dan Le Batard]

What's wrong with Kaseki types? I like Kosiki type.

[Nate Tice]

Can't block.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, you can't block. All right. I don't need you disparaging Gasekis around here.

[Jessica]

Yeah, too many Kaseki references already. He's in a nice little renaissance.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've got no problem with Kazakh. I'm fine with Sicky. You're the one who said about him.

[Jessica]

I just want him to block once. Just once.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just.

[Jessica]

Just. That's not what he does.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not what he does.

[Nate Tice]

Nate, what is the Nate, what's the comp for Travis Hunter on both sides of the ball?

[Jessica]

The one I've gone with for him as a receiver is Chad Oenko. Chad Johnson. Chad was a much better route runner, became a very polished route runner. But as far as body type and. And skills and ball skills and everything like that, the. They're one to one. Really. To me, Travis might be a more explosive, but Odell Beckham is another comparison I've heard with him. But that body type, Twitchy, he's just an excellent athlete. And then defensively I've kind of struggled with a few like Asante Samuel. Senior might be one. Champ Bailey is another one, which is maybe the High end comparison. But the fact that I'm comparing Chad Johnson and Champ Bailey to this guy, it kind of speaks to how crazy he is. He's really the top tier athlete I've watched in a long time. I grew up around Randy Moss and he's kind of the top tier, top athlete I've ever been around. Bobby Bowden, who coached Randy Moss for a semester, I think before he got kicked off, I had to go to Marshall, said, hey, Randy Moss or Deion Sanders to me is the barometer for athleticism. And Randy is a bigger Dion. So I'm saying Travis Hunter is a smaller Randy Moss. Well, then I'm comparing him to Dion, which is, you know, kind of in a roundabout way, but no matter what, he's a freak athlete and there's some rawness with him as a receiver, but just the talent and just his athleticism, that's like he's going to figure it out. That's what's so cool about him.

[Chris Cody]

Nate, while we're doing player comps, what tier of prospect is Ashton Genty? A historic season, but is he historically a good running back? Prospect. The speed and power don't jump off the screen like someone like Adrian Peterson's did. Quote sku you said it was a good question, so it was a good question.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I have been, I've been like officially quote, unquote, evaluating guys for about 10 years now. 11 years.

[Mike Ryan]

And.

[Jessica]

And the best, the top tier running back, to me, my favorite running back prospect was Ezekiel Elliott. And then the other guys I would say are in that top tier are Todd Gurley, Bijan Robinson, CMC and Saquon Barkley. And then if I had to like split that tier, it's Zeke. And then it would be Gurley and Saquon. And then CMC Bijan, I would be, I would put Genti in that CMC Bijan tier.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do these tears, do these quadrants come to you in your sleep? Like when you're actually dreaming at night? Is this in your actual sleep? It is. Correct. Correct.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Yeah. I grade everything off tears and then everything. Everything. Oh, that shower was a blue chip shower.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Day. That was a day two. Toothbrushing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you guys, do you guys remember Nate? Excuse me. Nate. Nate Tice's playing career. Do any of you remember his playing career?

[Jessica]

This interview is longer than my career.

[Dan Le Batard]

No. Do you want to give me this? Can you guys get me the stats from the game? Can or does. Does Nate know the stats?

[Stugotz]

They only play one game. Game.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nate.

[Jessica]

I, I have one stat ever. It's one. One rush for 17 yards, one touchdown. And 17 is also how many drinks I had that night. So that, that was to celebrate it.

[Dan Le Batard]

What was the score of that game?

[Jessica]

Oh, my God. Didn't we drop 80 on them? And then Michael Senior called us out and like actually like said it was an embarrassment to the sport. I was like 83, 20. I think you. It was. I was, I. I was the human victory cigar.

[Pat McAfee]

You.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait a minute. You average 17 yards a carry at Wisconsin. Yeah.

[Jessica]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. One for one, baby. One. One touch one touchdown. That's. That's how we do it.

[Chris Cody]

Indiana made the playoff before Wisconsin did.

[Jessica]

Ah, no, no, we're Wisconsin. Football is a little touchy subject right now. It's. It's not. I'm not happy with what's going on there. Running the air rate for two years. What are we doing here?

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's speed him up a little bit let's speed him up a little bit before we get him out of here and before we play Naughty or Tice. Are you ready to play Naughty or Tice?

[Jessica]

Let's do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's do it first before we play. Nadia. Tice, just fill in the blank you just mentioned. Best running back prospect you've ever seen. Best quarterback prospect you have ever seen.

[Jessica]

Andrew Luck, easily best. He's the best prospect ever.

[Dan Le Batard]

Best offensive lineman prospect you have seen. Tristan Wurfs, best wide receiver prospect you have seen.

[Jessica]

Oh, that's hard. Marvin Harrison, senior. Actually, no, that's a lie. Julio Jones. Julio Jones. But that was maybe a little before me.

[Dan Le Batard]

The most likely to be transcendent superstar not named. Travis Hunter is blank.

[Jessica]

Oh, that's a great question. Not named. Oh, I would say Abdul Carter would probably be the one.

[Dan Le Batard]

Naughty or Tice? Shador Sanders deserves to have his jersey retired at Colorado.

[Nate Tice]

Good question.

[Jessica]

So Ty says, I agree. And Nadia's I do not agree.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't complicate this game. Don't complicate this game.

[Jessica]

Naughty.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, he's naughty. What happened?

[Stugotz]

Billy doesn't seem to get this game.

[Dan Le Batard]

Billy, you're executive producing it. You want to help me out?

[Stugotz]

Okay. Omarion Hampton will be a first round pick in the draft. Nadia. Tice.

[Jessica]

Tice.

[Billy Gill]

One word like it.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Everyone is sick of Aaron Rodgers and he won't be signed before the draft. Nadia.

[Jessica]

Tice I Tice, I I. Not before the draft. I think that's going to be a little bit after that. Okay, but you want me to expand on that running back one. Yeah. There might be three running backs that go in the first round and. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

All right. Naughty or Tice. Trevor Lawrence is not that guy.

[Jessica]

Naughty. Absolutely naughty. No, no. Trevor Lawrence. Lawrence is legit.

[Billy Gill]

Are you saying naughty to him?

[Dan Le Batard]

Not being that guy by this game. I'm confused.

[Chris Cody]

Which totally means.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, the question was he's not that guy. And he said not to that so that's too negative. So he's saying that he is that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Guy but he's not positive that Trevor Lawrence is good.

[Stugotz]

Why are you guys complicated such a simple game?

[Jessica]

I'm. I'm positive he's good. I'm very positive he's good. A lot of people watching Jacksonville at 1pm Are we all watching watching Jacksonville Jaguars tape.

[Stugotz]

That's. It's very simple. All right. Nadia or Tyce. Ben Johnson will lead the Bears to a winning record this season.

[Jessica]

Tice. I think they just go over there. I'm actually buying the Bears hype this year. Finally.

[Dan Le Batard]

Naughty time. More. More than two quarterbacks will be taken in the first round of the NFL draft this year.

[Jessica]

Naughty. I actually my one of my bold takes is only one will go in the first round round.

[Nate Tice]

Naughty or Tice. Nico I Amalava got bad advice.

[Jessica]

Oh, Tice. He got real bad. Well, Tennessee might be happy with it. I think he got bad advice trying to up the number and everything. I think he should have just taken his taking his soup and been happy with it to be honest, based on his play. So I do think he got bad advice.

[Dan Le Batard]

What expression was that? What was that expression?

[Jessica]

What? I have no idea. That was. That was around.

[Dan Le Batard]

What happened there? Soup taken there in my head.

[Jessica]

I pictured. Can I have some more, sir? You know, like that came to my head.

[Mike Ryan]

Look.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right. This is disgusting.

[Mike Ryan]

That's from Chris.

[Billy Gill]

I do but to Roy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nate.

[Mike Ryan]

Come on, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nate.

[Pat McAfee]

It.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is not Naughty or Tice. And then. Well, like you gotta pick either naughty or Tice.

[Stugotz]

Can I. Can I propose.

[Jessica]

I've been answering and then copy.

[Stugotz]

Can I propose a spin off to Nadia or Tice? Naughty and Tice. And we ask you a question. You tell us the naughty side. And then from the other perspective, the people that think it's Tice Jackson Dart.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is no longer attending the draft in Green Bay because he will not be drafted in the first round.

[Jessica]

Tice. I think he goes in second, but I think. I think the Saints do like him though.

[Dan Le Batard]

But he's asking you to play the game differently. He's asking you to make the argument on one side for naughty.

[Jessica]

Okay. The naughty side. The naughty side is that he is going the first round. He just wanted to be with his family and just hang out. The tight side is that actually he's going on day two, which is where he should be going. I. I think that's my perspective on it.

[Chris Cody]

Nate, our. Our guy, our special boy, Riley Leonard. Naughty or Tice? Day two player this year.

[Jessica]

Naughty side. Is that. No. Have you watched him throw? Oh, my God. That's day three. The tight side is. Oh, my God. Yes, he is. He's a surprising guy that might go on day two, maybe even top 90 because he's a good athlete, he's tough and he actually has a little bit more arm talent than people give him credit for. But yes, that is our guy. Jess, me, you and Michael Jr.

[Billy Gill]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

Hand up. I think I made this game more confusing. Now we're not getting any. I don't know what he believes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Executive produced by Billy Gill, ladies and gentlemen. Naughty or Tice? Thank you.

[Stugotz]

Oh, wait, one more. Naughty or Tice. Andrew Luck, considering the highest and how he retired early because of injury bust.

[Jessica]

Naughty. That. That's that. I'm not even going with the tight side there. That's not.

[Dan Le Batard]

Executive produced by Billy Gill. One last question. Thank you. Appreciate your time. Nate. It is true your eyes are lagoons, Tice.

[Jessica]

They are lagoons.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you.

[Billy Gill]

Folks, listen up. They're here and they're hot. Get ready because Jimmy John's is turning up the heat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Eat.

[Billy Gill]

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[Mike Ryan]

Hey, you in the audience, it's Mike. You've been a fan of this show, hopefully for a long time, and you know how much Miller Lite means To me, this partnership, it's real. It's documented. For almost 20 years, Miller Lite has been a partner of the Dan Levittard show with Stugotz. And now Miller Lite is celebrating its 50th anniversary. I've had so many great moments with Miller Lite, so many great activations, so many great events presented by Miller Lite. A great partner. Cheers to them. Cheers to 50 incredible years. And for you at home, you know that Miller Time always means a good time. From game night to parties with friends or a special anniversary, celebrating important occasions means more moments with the coolest people in your life. Cheers to 50 years of Miller Light, the great tasting light beer. For people who Love beer since 1975, now's a perfect time to celebrate legendary stories with friends, family and a great tasting light beer. It's Miller Time. Miller Lite great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. You or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.