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Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Folks, listen up. April 7, 6:30pm Eastern on LeBatard Show, YouTube. It's the cheap seats, 305 Equinox, three games at once. Marlins, Panthers, Heat. We're watching all of it probably poorly presented by Never Miss yous Shot Golf.
Dan Le Batard
So I would imagine you guys saw this earlier in the week, right? Mark Cuban, Mark Cuban finally admitted that not finally, he, well, I guess admitted out loud.
Stugats
He admitted out loud nonstop over the
Dan Le Batard
last year that he regrets selling, not regrets selling the team, he regrets selling the team to Adelson and Dumont. And I mean since the trade was made here, I said it, I said it on espn. I said I've said it on my podcast that Mark Cuban deserves his share of the blame for what happened with trading away Luka duncich.
Amin Elhassan
At least 27% of the blame.
Dan Le Batard
And, and I remember like, like I remember getting hammered. What does Mark Cuban have to do?
Stugats
Well, you should get.
Dan Le Batard
But literally, Cuban is coming out now and saying what I've been saying.
Stugats
What have you been saying? You're saying that he should get the.
Tony
What do you say?
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, that he should not have sold to these people. You're. When you own one of these teams, you're essentially a caretaker of the franchise. You're not going to own the team forever. You're a caretaker of the franchise. And he decided to take the highest bid, which is his right as a businessman. But he just totally. But then people like me can say, you know what? You can't now sit there and complain about, I wouldn't have done this. I wouldn't have traded Luca. I wouldn't have done this. You deserve your share of the blame then, because you. You decide to take the highest bid and sell it to people who don't care about basketball and decide to do this instead of maybe it took a little bit less and you sold to people who are going to take care of the franchise you care about.
Stugats
Well, I think.
Dan Le Batard
And he's admitted that now, I think
Stugats
it's tough to say that because he sold it to people who seem like they care about basketball. And the reality is they do care about basketball. They just don't know much about it. And so they had a general manager who Cuban hired. Who. Who Cuban hired. Yeah. But, like, they're just taking him to the finals, and they don't know any better, but this guy seems to know what he's doing. Right? So they do what they do. Any new owner who does it, who's not like Matt Ishbio, who's like a hoops junkie is probably going to fall prey to this kind of thing. By the way, new owners, every single time you go throughout the history of the league, particularly recently, they all come in, they talk a great game, and then they learn the hard way that this ain't as easy as it looks. Matt Ishbia had the most expensive payroll ever for team that missed the playoffs. Right. Even the warriors, light years ahead. Ownership group, remember, they came in, they used the amnesty on Charlie Bell because they tried to sign DeAndre Jordan, who was already a restricted free agent. The Clippers matched easily. Then they traded Monta Ellis and the guy got booed at the thing. Everyone has a rocky start. There's no owner who comes in and like, yo, I've been awesome at this. Steve Ballmer, do you want to talk about his rocky start, which may lead to freaking who knows what circumvention and picks Wallace and all that. None of them have any idea. And the whole thing about billionaires is these are people who their lives are built on. Everyone said no, but I said yes, right? And it's true, like for many of them, especially the self made ones, maybe not so much the Nepo babies, but if you are a Vivek Ranadive, a guy who came here with like, legend has it, like 150 bucks in his pocket and you became a billionaire and you bought an actual NBA team and kept it in a city where they thought the team was going to be left leaving. How can anyone tell you, yo, this four on five idea you got sucks. Like, no, you guys, I heard, I heard this a lot in the tech sector.
Tony
I love the four on five idea.
Stugats
You know what I'm saying? Like, like, he's like, their whole lives are against incredible odds, amassing an obscene amount of success. So when you get to the point where it's like, hey, we own this team now. And Mark Cuban thinks, no, but they'll still listen to me. He thought the deal was they own it, but I call the shots. And very quickly they're like, nah, man, we're gonna listen to this guy. And he gets shoved out the way.
Tony
And to the absolute meager, meager, meager defense of Nico Harrison. Like, prior to the Luka trade, like, he had made some good moves.
Stugats
He made some really good moves.
Tony
The PJ Washington move was good. Like, drafting was good. Like, Gafford, they had done like a couple of good things that were the trajectory of like, okay, like, wait a second, this is, this is going to the right track.
Stugats
It was. Yeah, it wasn't. I don't think he presented, based on his track record, as someone didn't know what he was doing. Right. Like to have that kind of doubt in him. Obviously, once he comes with something as drastic as that, you always say, hold up. But that goes back to the other part of this, which is the Mavericks front office. This is through all the reporting and all the people I talked to behind the scenes, they had really pushed into this group think place where it's like, if you are someone who is an outside thinker, we don't want you. We're not gonna include you in this. And I've been part of a front office like that where it's like, hey, my job is to give you guys all the reasons why this couldn't work. And then you make an informed decision like, nah, nah, nah, you're yucking already up. That happens, man. This happened when I was at Sloan. There was the guy who owns the Philadelphia Soul Mike. His name escapes me.
Amin Elhassan
The arena team. Jon Bon Jovi.
Stugats
The MLS team.
Amin Elhassan
The MLS team is a Philadelphia Union.
Stugats
Union. My bad. Philadelphia Union.
Amin Elhassan
I believe the Soul were Ron Jaworski and John Bon Jon. Tell him I said, hi, that's a great crew.
Stugats
No, but so the guy, Colin Kaepernick, greatest quarterback ever, he owns the MLS team. And he was like, yo. I came in and the first thing we did is we studied like all this analytics about soccer because turns out soccer, they're not as up to date as some of our American sports. And we found out like throw ins are incredibly important. And so they did all of the stuff invested into areas that they felt could be a competitive advantage. And as a result, like, is that all the football people, all the soccer people told us, oh, that's crazy, that's not how you do it. But we were like, no, no, no, no, we're going to do it this way. It's basically his own version of Moneyball. As a result, they've been one of the most successful by regular season terms, clubs in the mls. But they haven't won at all, right? And so the moderator asks him, hey, how do you guys get to the transition from like doing something so different? And the guy says, well, first thing you gotta do is you gotta get rid of all the soccer people, all the, all the old world thinking people. I said, what? You get rid of them all? Yeah, get rid of them all. Because if you have one person who's dissenting, it ruins the room. The room has to be lockstep. And I'm like, that is the dumbest thing I've ever heard. You want dissension? You want some. Even if your idea is right and needs to be and it's a drastic change, you need the voice of dissension in the room in order to protect you, in order to challenge your beliefs, in order for you to know what I'm doing is unequivocally the right thing as opposed to a hunch. Nico eliminated all dissension in that thing, including Mark Cuban, who was pushed out. And that's why I don't blame him, because they purposefully excluded him from the conversation. Cuz they knew if he's in it, he's gonna dissent. And his dissension is probably gonna have some good points in there.
Dan Le Batard
Last night in the NBA, the big story, the Lakers, I walked, I walked into my family room last night. I got home from the airport and my older son was luggage. I don't know where it is right now. It's it's, that's why I had free time, right. When I walked in the house, didn't have luggage enough to any laundry. Right. It's the bonus. Right. And so I walk into the family room, my son is my older one who we left behind. He's watching the Lakers and thunder on peacock and scores.54 to 22. Like, what the hell is that score?
Stugats
Then it got worse.
Dan Le Batard
But yeah, well, it really got worse because Luka Doncic suffered a hamstring injury in the third quarter. I think they were down 90 to 58 when he suffered the injury. And apparently he actually tweaked it in the first half. And then you got halftime where you kind of get a little bit cold and then you come out in the second half and he tweaked the hamstring and now he's going to get an mri. Not good. Not good, Bob. I mean they got like five games left in the regular season and, and this could be a several week thing.
Tony
Yeah, March was fun, wasn't it for the Lakers? It was like, wow, we're the one of the hottest teams. Well, spurs are probably the hottest team, but we're the second hottest team in the league. Luka's playing out of his mind. He's got more points than Anthony Davis did in his 10, you know, his entire tenure with the Mavericks. And then the one thing that can happen is that engine gets hurt, which is kind of something that happens to him towards the end of the season.
Stugats
Not, not just that, but also the, hey, this guy should be MVP of the league. I don't know what you guys are watching. This guy's the best player in the league. And, and now because of the 65 game dumbass rule, not only is he perhaps not going to be MVP based on this injury, and of course if you're the Lakers, well, it's also.
Dan Le Batard
He won't be on an all NBA team.
Stugats
Exactly.
Dan Le Batard
That's the more pressing.
Stugats
Exactly.
Dan Le Batard
He wasn't going to win mvp, but.
Stugats
Well, I mean he had a chance, but he definitely don't have a chance of being on either that or all NBA.
Dan Le Batard
He would have been all NBA. First team.
Stugats
Yes, strong chance, strong chance. But the Lakers, obviously, they are incentivized. Look, we're trying to make a playoff run here. You've got to rest the maximum amount of time. So the, in a, in a regular world, three years ago, five years ago, before the 65 game rule shut him down, he shut down for the rest of the regular season.
Dan Le Batard
Well, why would he play in the second half. He got hurt in the first half
Tony
because he kept trying to warm it up. Like you would watch him like try to get on like a, a leg and kind of do one of these.
Dan Le Batard
So why is he playing?
Stugats
So you need. So, so the 65 game rule isn't just to appear in 65 games, there's a minimum amount of minutes you have to play. Yeah, something like that. So like he's probably thinking, oh no, no, I can't punt on this. I, I gotta thug it out. But again, five years ago, he sits out at halftime. They shut him down. They shut him down till April 12, that's 10 days from now. And then they've got a whole week. Cuz they gotta wait, see what happens in the plane or whatever. So they're immune from that. So he would have had legit 17 to 20 days of rest. Instead he tries to come back the same night and makes it worse.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, but. Okay, so, so let me throw in here. He played 26 minutes. So he was six minutes over this threshold in a game. They were down by 32 in the second half. Why is he out there?
Stugats
Should have pulled him, should have pulled him.
Dan Le Batard
Like that's, that's a tough look, you know, I don't know if it's tough for, for Redick or, you know, Luca, oh, I have to play. I don't know. But they were down 90 to 58.
Tony
It also goes back to like the Lakers. When they lose, they lose big. Right? That's what we kind of talked about
Stugats
all season, where it's a good team.
Tony
This, this team is like very interesting. If the, if they're down, it's very easy for the lead to get exponentially larger. And going into the, into the playoffs now it's like, all right, if they get this three seed and you're looking at Houston, maybe at the five, Denver, maybe at the four, five, six, whoever is there, Minnesota, like this is a very big.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, they'll drop a couple games.
Tony
They're going to be going against a very good team in the Western Conference. Like without Luka or Luke at 50%, 60%, like they, they're getting blown out.
Dan Le Batard
Well, it is interesting, right, because you go back just a couple months ago, it's like, oh man, this Western comps be a bloodbath. You know, there's five, six teams. These are really good teams. I don't know. Kind of feels like you got the Thunder and Spurs and that's it, right?
Tony
The Nuggets are very good team. The Nuggets are a very, very good team.
Amin Elhassan
I think Houston, Houston can be feisty.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Yeah.
Stugats
Like, they defend, and then they got a guy that nobody can guard and like, we, we can hammer them and,
Dan Le Batard
and, But I'm talking about winning the West. Like, it's the thunderstorm.
Tony
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
But I mean, a seven game series against the teams like Denver and Houston, like Amin said, like, I, I, I would like, it's a foregone conclusion. I know we're talking about okc, which feels like we're at the start of something, but you got the two teams with two extraterrestrial talents at center that are well equipped to give OKC some problems.
Stugats
And, and also, let's not forget a team that last two years. Everyone's like, I don't, I don't see it in them. And they get to the conference finals. The Minnesota Timberwolves, they're another one. That's.
Dan Le Batard
I think they're the most mysterious. I think they're the most mysterious team in the league. I have no idea what to think about.
Stugats
See a lot of mystery there. Yeah, I do. What's happening?
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. Yes. I don't know what's happening with them.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah. I don't know what to expect. And I, I tend to overlook them, too, in the West. I mean, we literally just did. But they got a guy that has had postseason success, Jamal Murray. Jamal Murray, playing the way that he is lately, does that. I mean, obviously, he's got to sweeten the pot. They got guys that can give OKC some problems if that ends up being the matchup outside of, like, the obvious.
Stugats
Yeah. Like, you got to start with Jokic. Yeah. They got a guy who can give them problems. Right. And they have. Look, the Jokic formula is to have enough big guys to throw at them. Right. That's what Minnesota did. That's what, I guess what the spurs can do. Right.
Dan Le Batard
Houston's big.
Amin Elhassan
Right?
Tony
Houston's big.
Stugats
Houston's big. And certainly, like, OKC can do that. Right. You have Hartenstein, you have Chet Holmgren, you got Jalen Williams. Right.
Tony
So you have Caruso, who did a great job covering him last year. That was kind of like the secret key.
Stugats
Yeah. But then also remember that series went seven, Right. And it took Aaron Gordon having a ruptured hamstring, pretty much just hobbling out there, hopping on one leg to basically give them that game seven. So a little look, Oklahoma City is a great team, and if you said, hey, I put my money on them to win it all, I wouldn't be shocked or surprised. But they're not infallible. They certainly have problems. They certainly run into things. And I think again, when you talk about in the playoffs, where it's like, I have a week to sit around and just think of you, everyone here is just thinking about you, It's a little different than what it is in the regular season, folks.
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Oh, absolutely.
Stugats
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Dan Le Batard
Don LeBatard John Kennedy can you rate my Al Pacino from that billiard scene in Carlito's Way? If I do it for you, I think it's pretty good.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
Okay.
Stugats
Stugats.
Dan Le Batard
You think you're big time or you're
John Zaslow
gonna die big time.
Stugats
That is on my infamous scale of 1 to 10.
Dan Le Batard
That's a 7.6.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Solid.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
Good job.
Stugats
Good job.
Amin Elhassan
That's a SUI nominee right there.
Dan Le Batard
Good.
Stugats
This is the Dan Levatar show with the St. GS.
Dan Le Batard
I know in the NBA, you know, they're like these small windows essentially to win and things can change on a year to year basis.
Stugats
They call windows.
Dan Le Batard
Especially with the way the cba, you know, allows you to, to build your team these days. Like things can really change and that's why the windows are even smaller, you know. But I, I look at Oklahoma City and San Antonio. How can anyone not believe that these two teams are going to be the teams fighting for championships for like the next decade?
Stugats
You know what's funny?
Dan Le Batard
Like, am I making it too simple simple by saying that it's.
Stugats
You just said because of cba. It's, it's almost right.
Dan Le Batard
Like, I understand that, but I still, I still. It feels like these are the two and like what's going to change?
Stugats
It felt, man, all it like Golden State felt like it was never gonna. Miami felt like it was never gonna.
Dan Le Batard
Dude, Golden State had like Golden State became really. They won the title in 15 and they won their last title in 22. That's eight years, man. That's a long time.
Stugats
But like I'm saying, like in 2019, right? Or 2018, I should say it was like, oh, they're gonna do this every year forever. And then Durant gets hurt and then Durant leaves, and then they go into this really dark era.
Tony
Clay's hurt, too.
Stugats
Clay gets hurt. Yep. And then 2022, they come back and they win one, and we've kind of put them on the earth. They're always going to be on the list, but, you know, they've been in the play in pretty much every year since that championship, so it's like these things feel like they're going to be permanent. Miami felt like it was. It was never going to end.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah. And even rising teams like Memphis, I'm like, well, they're going to be in the conversation for a while.
Stugats
Memphis versus Minnesota. Remember that playoff series? Like, these guys are going to be running the West.
Amin Elhassan
Memphis eliminated Golden State.
Dan Le Batard
I understand, but what. What, like, that's, you know, those Memphis teams. That's not what we're seeing with OKC and Stone.
Amin Elhassan
No, no, no, I. I understand, but, like, we do work ourselves into. Like, these guys are next, and they're going to be around for a long time.
Tony
But like the Beam Kings, everybody thought
Stugats
this was the team.
Tony
They're going to get to the next level.
Dan Le Batard
That's what these two.
Tony
I agree. But, like, still, it was that next team in the West.
Stugats
So for San Antonio, this is actually a very interesting thing because the way their checking account and their saving account is set up is they never. Or at least for the next, like, five years, they never have to pay everyone all at the same time because there's a stagger because Wemby was drafted first and then Castle and then Harper. And so everything is kind of staggered. And if you look at their books, it's like, ooh, they've always gonna have some guy who's on the books for his rookie scale, which helps him alleviate versus Oklahoma City. They've got a money crunch coming in the very near future that Chad. And why'd I say Chad? Chet Chad and Jalen Williams both came in on the same year, so their salaries are equal. And then obviously, sga, he's getting paid the most. And so at some point, they're going to have to make a hard decision on Hartenstein. And if they can't, they've got to find a replacement there. They're going to have to make a hard decision on a lot of their role plays. Lou, Dortmund, Case and Wallace, like, all of these guys are going to want.
Amin Elhassan
That's what the picks are for.
Stugats
Sure. Like, and then you go and get someone else.
Amin Elhassan
That's why their model is just.
Stugats
That's why Jared McCain was a great pickup for them. They burned a first round pick for a guy is like, is he great? Doesn't matter. He's good enough to play for us and he's going to be cheap. But like, make no mistake, they are now walking the tightrope. Last year it was like, everything's awesome. Now they're doing this right here with the umbrella or whatever the hell, like on the tightrope, trying to balance this whole thing. The parasol. There you go.
Dan Le Batard
That's what Mary Poppins had, right?
Tony
An umbrella or parasol.
Stugats
She had an umbrella. She lived in England, dude. It was raining all the time over there.
Tony
Do they call umbrellas parasols in. In England? Do they call it umbrella only?
Stugats
No, cuz they call it umbrella cuz they never have a sunny day.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
I thought when you're on the wire though, you have like that long stick.
John Zaslow
Yeah.
Tony
Does that really help you balance?
Home Depot Announcer
Yeah.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
I thought that's what you guys were
Tony
t. But I know what. I know what he's talking like a little par.
Stugats
Sometimes they do it with.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
You're just thinking of Mary Poppin.
Amin Elhassan
Really long stick for aesthetics.
Dan Le Batard
I don't know. I feel like if I'm trying to balance, I don't want to hold. I don't want to hold something.
Stugats
Hold on. Let me ask.
Amin Elhassan
When I'm trying to balance, I absolutely want to hold something.
Stugats
No, no.
Dan Le Batard
You want to hold on to something. I want to hold a rod, not hold something. You want to hold on to something, a rod.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
That's right.
Stugats
There we go. I'm looking at it. Functional. Functional purpose of the umbrella. Center of gravity. Much like a traditional long balancing pole, an umbrella helps a walker shift their weight.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
You can get AI to tell you,
Dan Le Batard
man, I don't think it's true.
Stugats
Aerodynamic drag. In outdoor performances, the canopy of the umbrella can provide a slight amount of air resistance, which may help stabilize a performer against minor gusts of wind. And a visual aid. It allows the performer extend their lever arm, making it easier to correct small imbalances before they lead to a fall.
Dan Le Batard
I still got questions. They got pictures anyway with that.
Tony
With OKC walking the tightrope anyway with the umbrella, it's. With the umbrella, it's worth it, right? Because when you win, if you win this year, you go back to back. SGA wins the MVP again.
Stugats
It's like it's always worth it.
Tony
It's worth it.
Stugats
All right, so the warriors lost money every year they won a championship. But you, like now the value of the franchise is incredible. And they still sell a bunch of shit. Everything is premium Price for them, whether it's their tickets, their corporate sponsorships, everything. Because of the success you. You are affiliated with that success. The Bulls, for the longest time were raking in money hand over fist just off of the six titles, even as they were one of the worst teams of the 2000s.
Dan Le Batard
I don't know if you guys saw over the last couple days, but I've been getting peppered on Twitter with people sending me the link to this New York Post story, where apparently the New York Post was just now alerted. See this headline? American Airlines passengers shocked to learn their flights were actually bus routes. There's quote, no plane. And it's a picture of an American Airlines. Not plane, bus. And this was the New York Post a few days ago, who just now apparently discovered this story. I told everyone this like five, six months ago.
Stugats
College football season.
Dan Le Batard
That's right.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Was that another trip you cut short?
Dan Le Batard
No, no, no, no. I was working dog.
Tony
But the work trips, he doesn't cut short the ones with family. He cuts short because he doesn't want to be with us.
Dan Le Batard
You know, can't cut work short because you know what wives love. It's also why I'm here. I can tell them to vacation and wives love. Everybody knows. That's why I'm here. All right.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Your wife is still in Colorado.
Dan Le Batard
But I was in. I was connecting from Chicago to South Bend. And yeah, like I. They bust me from Chicago to South Bend, what should be a very short flight ended up being a two and a half, three hour bus ride. That's right, bus ride. Even though I purchased a plane ticket. And just now the New York Post has this whole long story with people freaking out because American Airlines is now in the bus business. How are they just. I did this six months ago.
Stugats
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
How are they just doing this now?
Stugats
They're late. You know the thing, Zaz, is you should have been the person they quoted in. Right, right.
Dan Le Batard
I really believe that no one had this story before me. I really do believe I'm the first.
Stugats
I've never heard. I'd never heard it until you told me.
Dan Le Batard
People didn't believe me. And now it's everywhere.
Stugats
You sound like a guy like, like Independence Day, you know, the end of the world is coming. He was right. And the aliens go like, ah, I told you guys.
Dan Le Batard
Speaking of end of the world, did
Tony
you see the last episode of Paradise?
John Zaslow
Yes.
Tony
What'd you think of it?
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
No spoilers.
Amin Elhassan
It was good.
Stugats
You haven't seen it yet? I mean, I haven't seen it.
Unknown Guest 1
You've been Here I'm midway through season two.
Stugats
I got to do.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
I got a lot. I can't lie. It's been tough.
Stugats
Season two is not as good as season one.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
I've been trying to stay with it.
Dan Le Batard
Well, it's a different show now. Season season two, like, it's not. The show's not even close to what you thought the show was.
Stugats
It's not even about what you thought the show was. It's just the execution is not good.
Tony
Very clunkily written, and there's some bad
Stugats
acting and a lot of bad acting. And guess what? That look, that Jane episode, Wolf. I was like, get this out of me.
Dan Le Batard
Well, have you gotten to the next episode after the Jane episode?
Stugats
Episode seven. I've seen. I saw episode seven.
Dan Le Batard
Episode kind of the best episode was
Stugats
the first episode where we see my man Sterling Brown out in the wild trying to find his wife. Like that one. I was like, okay, we're back. And then get the flashbacks of how his wife survived. Yeah, I was like, I'm back. Okay, Rough start, but they're back now. And then they went back to being bullshit. And. And so I'm trusting you, Tony, when you tell me.
Dan Le Batard
I like it.
Stugats
The last episode was good.
Tony
The last episode, it was good. It puts things together like that. His voice was a little high like that. Since I saw it, I can talk about it, and I won't spoil it for you. There's. There's plot holes that get filled, and then there.
Dan Le Batard
And then there's more questions, and then there's more questions.
Tony
Then something happens. You're like, oh, wow, interesting.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
So the episode was in you. You said, get this out.
Stugats
Get it out of me.
Tony
That episode. That episode was weird, though, because there was a lot of unanswered questions there, and I don't know if I can speak freely. Can I speak freely? Spoiler alert. If you haven't seen the Jane episod Paradise, Please skip another 35 to 40 seconds. The whole thing of, like, the guy at Circuit City getting told, hey, by the way, do this. And then everybody's like, okay. And we just. And we just accepted it. You don't know who sent it.
Dan Le Batard
We do know who sent it.
Stugats
No, not now. You do, probably, but at the time.
Tony
Exactly.
Stugats
Because I don't know. I don't know who sent it, but I do know this. I do know that. And this is the part where I don't know. But I have a feeling, because I'm on the Internet, time travel is coming into this, and this is where I'm
Tony
like, you know, see that? Okay, now you haven't seen the. That's why Travel. Exactly.
Dan Le Batard
Everybody knows my two favorite movies. TV shows. What are they? I'll tell you. Time travel. Prison. Those are my shows and movies. I'll watch anything with time travel. I'll watch any prison movie. I love time travel. And if. And if there's time travel, it's in prison. Holy. That movie hasn't been made yet, but, boy, sign me up.
Stugats
Hold on. Time travel, Prison. A prison where you go and you get sent back in time.
Dan Le Batard
Wow.
Tony
Like, all of a sudden, all right, you're going to jail now, but you're going to ancient Rome.
Stugats
Yeah.
Tony
Good luck in the gladiators.
Dan Le Batard
Who wants to make that movie?
Unknown Guest 1
And it sends you back to earlier in your life, and you have to figure out which choices you made that led you down the path to ultimately being imprisoned. But if you can come upon those moments and make the path different, then you. You don't end up in jail. You're released later on.
Tony
That's a different back. We could do. We could do a different.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Not an action movie.
Unknown Guest 1
This is just like a redemption story.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. You know what's a medieval time.
Unknown Guest 1
I like doing something.
Amin Elhassan
Your penalty is four years before years in a medieval prison.
Tony
All right.
Stugats
No. All right, I'm in.
Unknown Guest 1
I'm in.
Stugats
Do they spin a wheel or. How do they figure out where you're going to go?
Tony
They do an entire. On the crime biometric scan, and they see in your heart and in your mind and your spirit what you're afraid of most, and they send you there.
Amin Elhassan
You get 25 days in Alcatraz.
Stugats
I'll do that one. Oh, will you?
Tony
Oh, will you? Have you ever been to Alcatraz? Have you been to Alcatraz before?
Dan Le Batard
You'll be holding someone's pocket, no doubt.
Stugats
Not in alcatraz.
Amin Elhassan
You get $48 in Sheriff Joe's tent.
Stugats
Tent City Ten City.
Tony
How about now?
Stugats
So you could do al.
Tony
Alcatraz for 25 days.
Stugats
You can't do tent 10 city. Man, it's hot. Man, That's. That's the idea. It's. It's so goddamn hot. Folks, listen up.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
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Stugats
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Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
All this time travel talk makes me think of a hypothetical I once. All right, so I'm making you, in this hypothetical, the richest person on earth.
Stugats
Got it.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
How far back? How far. Do me next.
Dan Le Batard
Do me next.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
How far back in time would we have to go for you to say, I'm good, I'll stay here. Like, would you go back to the
Stugats
1500s to be the richest?
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Like, I'm not going back to 1682. Like, I'd rather just be here with what I have. What's the year that you would say no to the question? I don't want to be. Like, I don't want to be the richest.
Dan Le Batard
I'll just say.
Stugats
I would say, look, all right, so I got to. I got to. Got to ask some questions. Like, am I draft?
Dan Le Batard
Good question.
Stugats
Right? Because I don't want the richest man in the world. You just got sent to Vietnam.
Dan Le Batard
Now, you're your age. You're your age.
Stugats
No, no, I'm talking about you have
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
to live in those times. So if the richest person was draft eligible in that day, then, yes, you're drafted.
Tony
I think you're okay being the richest man on the earth. You could pay a couple of people to take your state.
Stugats
Yeah, yeah, but I'm black too though.
Tony
Yeah, but you're the richest guy though. Post 18, you're the richest guy.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
Jim Crow situation again.
Tony
When you're rich, it doesn't matter.
Stugats
I can live anywhere. I can live anywhere.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
You're the rich rich, yes.
Stugats
If I'm the richest man alive and I can live anywhere, then I'll go back as far as electricity.
Tony
Good point.
Dan Le Batard
Gotta have electricity.
Tony
Electricity, but not like early electricity. Cuz we still don't know it's air conditioning.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
But do I have the knowledge of what I've given back?
Dan Le Batard
Like cuz no.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
What if I'm like the richest guy and I'm. I'm like, damn, I kind of want to. I can't play Xbox.
Dan Le Batard
No, you won't know that you miss it. But we know right now.
Stugats
No, I think, I think you have to know. I think you have to know that you're going to miss.
Tony
That's part of like giving it all is like going back. Having the knowledge of what you know now. And I remember the iPhone, it's like
Stugats
I can't give you the ignorance is.
Dan Le Batard
So Chris, how far would you go back then?
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
I, when I've talked about this with my buddies, like I feel like the 50s and 60s, like I don't know if I'm going much further past that. And I know I'm white, so this is a different game for me.
Stugats
Does the money increase as I go further back?
Tony
Inflation. But deflation.
Stugats
Because, because in that case I would just say no, just send me Back to like 2005 and I'm good. Right. Like there's no advantage to going further back. I'll go back to 2005.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
The game is how far back would you go? Yes, Obviously we'd rather have 05, but
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
after the banks get built out, right.
Stugats
Before I'll buy all the toxins, we
Amin Elhassan
have a working knowledge of what is to come, right?
Stugats
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
Sports almanac, Almanac.
Stugats
A dog. It's in my head.
Tony
But do you stay in that time in perpetuity or do you live the rest of your life like you would?
Stugats
Yeah, it's like you go back to
Tony
2005 but you're the richest guy, but then you start 2006 or do you always stay in 2005?
Amin Elhassan
I have the opportunity to invest in MySpace early on and then like get it.
Stugats
Wait, hold on, hold on. Tony. I was like, yeah, of course you. Wait a second.
Tony
But now you say I can be
Stugats
the richest man ever, and it's 2005 forever.
Tony
That's what I'm saying. Because it's not like you live in 1682 and you're like, all right, I live 80 years. And at 1730, whatever. And like, all right, I'm dead. It's like, no, you live in that state in perpetuity. Like, I would go back like 1985, stay in 1985 the entire time. The Internet hadn't existed yet. You still have the landline.
Stugats
Phone games are good.
Tony
I'm telling you are good. You can watch that all the time.
Stugats
You want to be right in the mid-2000s when Internet is available. But it hasn't ruined.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
You guys are playing a different game of like, when would be the best time to be better?
Amin Elhassan
I won 2009.
Stugats
2009.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, it's 2009 forever.
Stugats
Forever.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah.
Stugats
But then you never have an iPhone.
Amin Elhassan
And I got good indie rock.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
03 was a great music politics.
Amin Elhassan
So I haven't gotten like, oh, yeah, you know what? If I see something on the Internet, I could largely believe it.
Stugats
2010, then I'm taking 2010.
Tony
Good year.
Stugats
I'm doing a 2010. I'm working for the Suns. We went to the conference finals.
Tony
Yeah, but you're the richest guy in the world.
Amin Elhassan
Better than 09. Because I got LeBron. Yeah, I'm with you.
Unknown Guest 1
20 and a whole season of Glee's already.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
Yeah, and.
Amin Elhassan
And Kanye is not that weird.
Stugats
Oh, yeah, no, 2009, 2010, Kanye. That's great.
Dan Le Batard
But think about, with all that money, you might be able to invent time travel.
Stugats
No, I just did it. I don't want anyone else to be able to do it.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
So you destroyed it then?
Stugats
Pretty much, yeah.
Dan Le Batard
That's selfish, man.
Stugats
Of course I'm selfish.
Dan Le Batard
That is.
Stugats
So why am I gonna let people just time travel? You never see Time Cop.
Dan Le Batard
I love Time Cop.
Stugats
You know about Time Cop.
Dan Le Batard
Great movie. Ron Silver. Wow. Great movie. As the evil senator president wannabe.
Stugats
Well, look, I'm telling you something. Watch Time Cop now. You guys are like, that's a lot of similarities, man.
Dan Le Batard
You know about Mia, Sarah. Come on.
Stugats
Yeah. Oh, wait, she was from Ferris Bueller.
John Zaslow
Hell, yeah.
Stugats
No, how about my guy Matuszak? That's his. But what's Matusak's name?
Tony
Scott Matusak?
Stugats
No, the actor who plays. He's. He's Van Damme's buddy who forgets him when he comes back.
Dan Le Batard
Yes, yes, yes.
Stugats
He's got Reminded like Dennis Rodman. No, it's a different movie.
Amin Elhassan
Me and Amin were watching the parachute. That was also a basketball.
Tony
Me and me were watching The Dennis Rodman 30 for 30 yesterday on the
Stugats
TV in the middle of dance, and
Tony
we forgot that he went to. It was like a Tiger woods serious topic. And we're looking over the screen, and it's Kim Jong un and Dennis Rodman playing basketball. We're like.
Stugats
And then he cried, yo, Kim Jong un is playing. I mean, Dennis Rodman is playing basketball at 5 on 5 on the court. Kim Jong un is sitting courtside watching it in legit. A throne. In a throne, like a medieval rod.
Tony
Rodman is wearing sunglasses in the game.
Dan Le Batard
It's incredible.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
Bruce McGill is the actor, you think?
Stugats
Bruce McGill. My man Matuszak, man.
Dan Le Batard
Time cop's coming out.
Stugats
Time cop's a great movie.
Dan Le Batard
Time travel movies are the best. Time travel.
Tony
Should I watch Time Cop?
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
Yes.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, yeah, you should watch Time Cop. I'll bet Time Cop still holds up.
Stugats
I thought Time Cop could have been so much better if they flew.
Dan Le Batard
Focused more if he was in a
Stugats
prison on the crimes. Well, the whole thing is like, time travel exists, but people are using it to fund criminal activity. So the time cops go back in time to thwart them. So, like, the opening scene of Time cop is. It's 1862 in the south, right in the middle of the civil war, and a guy is on a horse and buggy, and a guy comes out of the bushes.
Dan Le Batard
He's got some crazy gun or something.
Stugats
Give me all the gold. And the guy get out of the way, and then he pulls out a machine gun. And they're like, what the hell is that? He mows him, and it's like, oh, wow. And then we learn, like, the time police go around all throughout history, they're stopping terrorists and movie rules. Yeah, Zaz.
Tony
Demolition man.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
Prison.
Tony
Time travel movie.
Stugats
Time travel because it's traveling Time stasis.
Dan Le Batard
No, that's not time travel movie.
Tony
No, but it's a prison movie.
Stugats
It is a prison.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, but it's not time travel.
Amin Elhassan
It starts in l. A in 1998 and ends up in San Angeles.
Stugats
Well, the. The stasis part. Right? So the.
Dan Le Batard
But they didn't get there from time travel.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, but it's got all the time travel, like, quintessential things. Like, I'm from the 90s and I have a laser gun, right?
Stugats
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
I mean, it's a time travel.
Dan Le Batard
Best time travel movie looper.
Stugats
No, come on.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
That is a good movie.
Amin Elhassan
You're A nuts.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
That's a good movie.
Tony
Why'd you say it that way?
Dan Le Batard
It's Back to the Future, you know, future setting. Back to the. That's. You can't set. You can't set that gold standard. All right? Set that aside.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Also a good closer.
Stugats
The best basketball player ever, Right?
Dan Le Batard
Put Michael Jordan aside.
Stugats
Paul George. I mean, put Michael Jordan aside.
Dan Le Batard
That's right.
Unknown Guest 1
About time.
Dan Le Batard
Looper.
Stugats
What's about Time?
Unknown Guest 1
Oh, man. Real tearjerker.
Tony
Beautiful.
Unknown Guest 1
Donald Gleason. Rachel McAvoy.
Tony
I don't like your taste of movies. I just. I just noticed. I don't like.
Amin Elhassan
I mean, we're stuck in 2010, okay? We're at a sports bar, and we're looking at each other and, like, can you believe this? Roy Hibbert.
Stugats
It's like, I take over Tim Duncan.
Tony
Yeah.
Amin Elhassan
He's a LeBron Sopper.
Stugats
I take him over Tim Duncan. Man.
Dan Le Batard
I'm telling you, I saw a couple days ago. I finally. I mean, look, it's only been out for a couple weeks, but. What are you laughing at?
Stugats
I'm laughing at because I remember Dan, like, berating with the Stephen A. You're telling me you had the choice and you wouldn't take Roy Hibbert over Tim Duncan? Like, he was so indignant.
Tony
Can we find that?
Amin Elhassan
And then he would be like, we'll discuss with Jason Whitlock in 10 minutes.
Dan Le Batard
Hibbert was a major problem.
Amin Elhassan
That was a part of our history, guys.
Stugats
Maybe 2010 wasn't the right year.
Amin Elhassan
He was a. He was a Pacers guy.
Dan Le Batard
I saw Project Hail Mary a couple nights ago.
Amin Elhassan
That's a film.
Podcast Host (Dan Le Batard)
That's a good movie.
Amin Elhassan
Cinema.
Dan Le Batard
What a movie. Oh, I mean, have you seen it yet?
Stugats
I have not seen it. I'm gonna be honest. The. Some of the reviews I got back. Not for me, Clive.
Dan Le Batard
Not that you got reviews that weren't good. You just didn't like what the movie's about.
Stugats
Yeah, it's like. It's saccharine. It's, like, sappy. I'm like, oh, yeah. We need this positivity in our lives. Like, don't give me positivity in my movies. I want, like, things that make me go, oh, my God. You know what I saw the other day? Roofman. Y' all seen that? Roofman. You know about that? Roofman.
Dan Le Batard
You made that up?
Stugats
Channing Tatum, Roofman. This dude.
Amin Elhassan
Toys R Us, right?
Stugats
Yeah. So this dude was like a cereal burglar. He would, like, drill a hole into the top of McDonald's and come in and then rob the McDonald's and then leave, right? And they couldn't catch him. He finally gets caught. He goes to prison. The guy breaks out of prison and by the way, his whole ethos in robbing these places and also bringing out prison, just be a good dude, just be a nice guy, and people will mess with you. They'll. Man, he's cool. He's cool. Whatever. So he escapes and lives in a Toys R Us for, like, a month without being detected because it's behind, like, the bicycle wall or whatever. So basically, the guy ends up spying on the Toys R Us people, falls in love with one of the employees, comes out from behind the thing, pretends like he works for the government, whatever, starts dating her, and then he messes up because one day when he's, like, showering in the Toys R Us, the manager comes home and sees he's there, whatever. And so now there's a manhunt for him because, like, oh, that's a guy. And so it's a great movie, and it's based on a true story.
Dan Le Batard
I'm looking now I'm looking at the. At it on IMDb it's a good movie. I can't go, I've never heard of this.
Stugats
It is a very delightful movie.
Dan Le Batard
So you don't want delightful, though. You don't want a movie.
Stugats
Delightful meaning like, hey, I watch this and I get too deep. I don't get to have to whatever. It's entertaining, right? Delightful in that way. Not delightful.
Dan Le Batard
So you don't think you're gonna understand Project El Mary.
Stugats
I just. I.
Amin Elhassan
He's good.
Stugats
He's good.
Tony
Why are you pushing Project Hail Mary?
Unknown Guest 1
It's not just feel good. Like, I think what you're taking is
Stugats
like, oh, it's the Ted Lasso. It's this. It's that.
Unknown Guest 1
That's just a nice little dude side effect of what you feel afterward while watching a very entertaining movie with a great acting.
Stugats
So much PTSD from the pandemic when it was like, ted Lasso's the most amazing ever. And so I watched Ted Lasso the original digital shorts that NBC put out. And I'm like, this guy's a buffoon. Oh, this is about to be awesome. And then I watched that Lasso, and it's like, is it just feel good stuff? He just likes quips, but, like, he's like, he's lovable. And I'm like, no, I want to Ted Lasso as an idiot.
Unknown Guest 1
No Cool story in Project Hail Mary. Very entertaining. Lots of interesting sort of Twists within it as. As a movie. And also nice feel good feeling at the end of it because of the relationships.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Real quick, do you guys want to hear Dan dismissing Stephen A for cla saying he would take Tim Duncan over Roy Hibbert? You got a seven game series against
Stugats
the Heat that you've got to win tomorrow. I'm giving you the entire league to pick players from. Who's your first pick? You have to beat the Heat in a seven game series.
John Kennedy
Your first pick is, I would say, Tim Duncan. You need a big. Because. Because. Because obviously Miami.
John Zaslow
No, no.
John Kennedy
Yes, yes, yes. I want, I want Tim Duncan. Especially after he missed. Especially after he missed the shot he missed last year because he's hungrier than ever.
Stugats
I can't believe you took Duncan over Hibbert. Like, what are you talking about? Stay strong, Stephen.
John Kennedy
I would take. I would take Tim Duncan.
Stugats
Yeah, me too. Over Hibbert. Yep.
Dan Le Batard
That next season Duncan won his fifth title. Mike, what's going on with the Cyclones tonight?
Amin Elhassan
We play today, 7 o', clock, first toss. Come on out rivalries and Battle Court. We play you Donnis, Haslam's Renegade.
Stugats
Oh, I don't like them.
Amin Elhassan
Two of the most decorated teams in the history of Battle Court. The long spanning history of Battle Court, which is, you know, post Covid now
Dan Le Batard
you know they're rivals. Like is there fraternizing?
Stugats
Yeah, I think I see you guys as like rubbing elbows with.
Amin Elhassan
We do rub UD's elbows. Very sharp elbows. You ask anybody. Ask Roy Hibbert about those elbows. But yeah, you did. He's a great owner dude. Like he definitely cares about the sport. He enjoys it. He comes out. If he's not on TV covering the NBA, he comes out and he supports his Renegades. They probably have the best player in the world. And go Cherry. We have the best backorder in the world. And Manu, the last time we played them, which was a couple of weeks ago, played out to a match day draw. So exciting Battle Court highlight tonight at Casino Miami. It's free with a promo code. Get your tickets online or if you want premium seats. Great bang for your buck. Come out and join us. We got a large crew coming out there. Great game today.
Stugats
Doesn't sound like rivals.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
It's an interesting league because there's so much turnover in the league and like guys end up playing on different teams throughout the season. So it is. It's different than other.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, we're really close with all the ownership groups. Are there teams that we don't like and we really like to Beat. Yeah, absolutely. The Renegades are one of them, no doubt, because they're the most decorated team in the history of Battle Court. They have three championships. We're chasing them. We're trying to become the first Battle Court team to ever go back to back. No one's ever done that. Right now we're in second. We had to bring it in tight. Some real adversity here. Back to back match day draws after a loss.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
That one of those draws felt like a loss, though.
Amin Elhassan
Yeah, we kind of lost ourselves a little bit. But I like what we've done in the week that we've had for this big ramp up against the Renegades.
Stugats
I think we're dialed in now.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
Did some of the Cyclones enjoy Miami Music Week more than I would have preferred? Maybe, but we don't need to talk about that.
Stugats
My question is this. If you. Donna says, hey, guys, let's go grab a drink over here at this bar over here. You guys heading out with.
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
You think I'm saying no to ud? If UD comes up to me, that's not a ride. And says, hey, you want to go out and grab a beer? You think I'm going to say no?
Stugats
You think Mickey Arison is following Peter Goober or Joe lacob like, down the hall?
Amin Elhassan
Actually, yes, because they're all billionaires, so they seem to, like, all get along great.
Dan Le Batard
You think Pat Riley is going to have a drink with Brad Stevens before the game?
Amin Elhassan
No, that's not. Not before the game. No, no, no. I think they're cordial.
Stugats
They'll.
Amin Elhassan
They'll shake hands. They'll. They'll talk about what's going on in the field of play, and that's kind of how we are with ud. You know, we're intense when the. When the Palota starts flying like we're
Chris (Guest/Co-host)
playoff time, we're not friends.
Amin Elhassan
We are not friends there. We respect one another.
Dan Le Batard
All right?
Episode: Hour 1: The Time Travel Prison Movie
Date: April 3, 2026
Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their panel deliver another lively mix of sports commentary, pop culture tangents, and sharp-witted banter. This hour features a deep dive into NBA ownership pitfalls, a heated debate on the evolution of Western Conference contenders, an unexpected detour into TV time travel tropes, and a spirited hypothetical about being the richest person alive in different historical eras. The show’s signature irreverence is on full display, with offbeat pitch sessions and sharp pop culture asides.
Timestamps: 01:53–09:08
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Timestamps: 44:18–47:02
On Mark Cuban and NBA owners:
On Luka’s injury and NBA rules:
On rich-in-any-era hypothetical:
On time travel prison movie pitch:
On movie tastes:
On Battle Court rivalries:
This episode is a quintessential slice of the show: smart sports commentary, pop culture chaos, surreal tangents, and lots of laughs. Perfect for fans old and new.