Hour 1: Tony's Hard Out (feat. Spice Adams)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – Hour 1: “Tony’s Hard Out” (feat. Spice Adams)

Release Date: December 4, 2025

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Jeremy, and company deliver another lively hour blending sports, pop-culture, and irreverent humor. This “Local Hour” leans into the absurd, as the crew tackles a viral “pizza-walking” debate, dives into football insight with guest Spice Adams, and navigates a hilariously botched sponsored interview with abrupt, on-air interruptions. The episode oscillates between playful nonsense and sharp sports commentary, all in the show’s signature chaotic style.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Walking Pizza Debate with Spice Adams

• Prompt: “If a piece of pizza walked, would it walk with the crust at the top or bottom?”
• Stugotz sets up former NFL player and viral entertainer Spice Adams as the “expert” (on behalf of Red Baron Pizza) to resolve a crucial, utterly silly show debate.
  • Spice Adams, after clarifying the question:
    • “Spicy on the bottom, everybody.” (03:00)
    • The group ponders: is the crust or the pointy end “the bottom”?
    • Dan Le Batard: “But what do you consider the bottom? The crust or the pointy end?” (03:00)
  • Jeremy jokes about Dan’s pizza expertise. Laughter erupts over the topic’s absurdity.
  • Stugotz proposes, “Put it on the poll at Lebatard Show: Is the bottom of the pizza the pointy end or the crust?” (03:26)

2. Spice Adams’ Journey: Football to Entertainment

• Spice shares his early inclination toward entertainment due to growing up as an only child.
  • “Entertainment has kind of been what I've been doing my whole life...So everything all worked out, and it's been a great ride, man.” (04:05)
• He details his unusual early size (290 lbs at age 12; mistaken for a Little League coach), and how his mom nudged him into football.
• Locker Room DNA: Spice credits former teammates for encouraging his post-NFL content creation, especially Earl Bennett and Chris Harris.

3. Football's Physical Toll & Comedic Perspective

• Discussion shifts to the mangled hands of linemen and wide receivers:
  • Spice holds up his deformed fingers, humorously: “I'm throwing up the west side, and I ain't even really doing this...I can't put my fingers on a flat surface.” (05:26)
  • Reminisces on Torry Holt and Anthony Munoz’s infamously bent fingers.
  • Dan Le Batard: “His job is to catch footballs, and his pinky finger is a 90 degree angle. It's insane.” (06:44)
  • The group marvels—and winces—at the lingering physical cost of football, with jokes about how ex-players struggle with daily tasks.

4. Coaching Hot Seat at Penn State & Mike Tomlin Rumor

• Spice reacts to Ben Roethlisberger suggesting Steelers’ coach Mike Tomlin leave for Penn State:
  • Spice champions interim coach Terry Smith as the right fit:
    • “He's passionate about it...He has these guys on fire right now. So why not hire from within and hire someone who understands Penn State tradition? So I say keep Terry Smith.” (07:40)

5. Meme Fame & the Red Baron “Humble Pie” Plug Fiasco

• Dan brings up Spice’s internet omnipresence: yellow jacket, rubbing hands meme.
• Spice leans all-in on the sponsor tie-in, launching into a Red Baron “Humble Pie” promo (spicy Carolina Reaper version) mid-answer:
  • “Guess what? If y'all into fantasy football league, y'all could get this humble pie...Got the red bear Carolina reaper sauce on...” (09:16)
• Stugotz and Dan call him out for the blatant promotional detour.
• Abruptly, a disembodied voice interrupts, repeatedly insisting “We gotta wrap, Tony!” (with “Tony” being Spice Adams’ real name).
  • The crew, confused and laughing, is forced to end the segment.
  • Stugotz: “That was total, unequivocal bullshit, what just happened at the end.” (11:00)

6. Bots, Interruptions & Air Time Chaos

• In the aftermath, Dan, Stugotz, and Jeremy express annoyance at the sponsor-imposed “hard out.”
  • The reveal: “Tony” is Spice’s real name.
  • “How is it that that person ended up live on air with—” (Stugotz, 11:33)
• Group vents over lost opportunity (“Great American Baking Show” question), unplanned live interruptions, and the frustrations of time-constrained branded interviews.

7. Show’s Signature Bickering & Meta-Chaos

• Banter about who was actually yelling, whether the voice sounded like David Samson or an old woman.
• The crew riff on the chaos of air traffic control, multiple voices, and how the show’s production soup often spills over into the live product.
• Ongoing inside jokes about “we have to rap, Tony!” reverberate throughout the next segments.

8. Sports Talk: NFL Turnover Luck & Team Analysis

• Stugotz, Dan, and Jeremy tackle the “randomness” vs. “skill” of turnovers in football:
  • Stugotz: “I believe that turnovers are largely lucky...I don't actually think the causing of turnovers is an ability.” (35:36)
  • Dan pushes back, emphasizing game-planning and execution, citing Carolina’s recent performance.
  • Jeremy references running back usage and late-game execution as variables in team fortunes.
• Statistical tidbits sprinkled throughout:
  • “Cardinals have lost seven games by four points or less.” (40:24)
  • Debates on one-score game outcomes, changes year-to-year.

9. Show Picks—NFL Helmet Bucket

• “Dentek bucket” game: hosts select NFL matchup “helmets” for picks, riff on team chances, and futility of some franchises’ playoff hopes.
• Tons of joking about rules, helmet re-drawing, and the perennial chaos of this running bit.

10. Meta-Jokes & End-of-Hour Levity

• Bit concludes with the ongoing “we have to rap” impression, now a meme within the show.
• Short forays into impersonations (Trump, Biden) and debate over “putting a bow” vs. “putting a button” on segments.
• Show ends as it began: with raucous, circular debate and relentless self-reference.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Pizza Dilemma (03:00, Spice Adams): “Spicy on the bottom, everybody.”
• Mangled Fingers (05:26, Spice Adams): “I'm throwing up the west side, and I ain't even really doing this...this is just how my fingers are.”
• On Meme Fame (09:05, Spice Adams): “I knew it was famous when I saw what I was looking at. I was looking at a Red Baron pizza.”
• Sponsor Plug Interruption (09:16, Spice Adams): “...y’all can get this humble pie at redbaron.com...”
• Hard Out Chaos (11:00, Stugotz): “That was total, unequivocal bullshit, what just happened at the end.”
• Frustration with Sponsorships (12:59, Stugotz): “What is the great urgency with Spice that he's got to get out of here after exactly nine minutes with such urgency that he crams in his promotion?”
• Turnover Luck in Football (35:36, Stugotz): “I believe that turnovers are largely lucky. There are some instances...but I don't actually think the causing of turnovers is an ability.”
• On Production Chaos (14:54, Dan Le Batard): “You almost screamed at Lewis. I saw it.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• [01:41] – Opening, Set-up for Pizza Debate
• [02:33] – Introducing Spice Adams and the Walking Pizza Question
• [04:05] – Spice Adams on His Entertainment Roots
• [05:26] – Spice Details His Deformed Fingers
• [07:18] – Penn State & Mike Tomlin Topic
• [08:43] – Meme Fame & Red Baron Plug
• [09:16] – “Humble Pie” Promo and Rapid Sponsor Pivot
• [10:08] – On-Air "Hard Out": “We gotta wrap, Tony!”
• [11:00] – Show Crew Rants About Sponsorship Chaos
• [15:28] – Inside Baseball: The Chaos of Live Show Production
• [20:15] – Shift to Clippers Announcer/Trivia Tangent (endless digressions)
• [35:36] – Deep Dive: Turnovers, Luck, and NFL Team Analysis
• [44:03] – “We have to wrap, Tony!” Returns

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Tone and Style Notes

The episode embodies the Le Batard Show’s chaotic, improvisational personality: fusing never-too-serious sports talk with running gags, absurd debate, and a self-aware, often meta approach to their own format. The interplay between hosts is alternately zany and sharply insightful, with playful antagonism and tongue-in-cheek irreverence at every turn. Even the “hard out” and sponsor chaos becomes fertile ground for roasting, in-jokes, and escalation—a testament to the show’s ability to find comedy in behind-the-scenes mess.

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Summary Takeaway

This hour is classic Le Batard: a blend of comedy and sports, existential “pizza-walking” ponderings, and a revealing glimpse into the unpredictability of live radio/podcast production. Whether you’re here for football nerdery, internet meme lore, or the escalating absurdity of creative sponsorship gone awry, there’s no escaping the show’s unique gravity—or the sound of someone yelling, “We have to rap, Tony!”

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Jeremy]

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[Jeremy]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugach podcast.

[Stugotz]

We needed to get an expert on to talk about the question that plagued us for 24 hours from yesterday, which is if a piece of pizza walked, would it walk? If it walked upright, not slithered across the floo all fours, but if it walked on two legs, would the crust be at the bottom or the top? So we went to get Spice Adams, who is here on behalf of Red Baron Pizza so that we can get some expertise on this subject. And we now welcome in the former NFL player. He's a comedian, he's a host, he's an entertainer and we ask him the question, what is your vote here? Thank you for joining us. Spice, what is your vote on how a piece of pizza walks? Is the crust at the top or.

[Spice Adams]

The Bottom, how it walks.

[Jeremy]

If it had two legs.

[Stugotz]

It's a good question.

[Jeremy]

We're painting an odd picture.

[Stugotz]

It is a good question for you to ask. I appreciate that you interrogate me that way, but, yes, that is the question I am asking you. If it walked on ostensibly two legs like a human being.

[Jeremy]

Has to be the weirdest question he's ever had to start an interview.

[Stugotz]

Upright, you think? Which it's. But it's why we're having him on. On behalf of Red Baron Pizza. He is here as an expert. It's the reason we're having him. So answer the damn question.

[Spice Adams]

Spicy on the bottom. Everybod.

[Dan Le Batard]

But what do you consider the bottom? The crust or the pointy end?

[Jeremy]

The crust goes on the bottom.

[Spice Adams]

He's saying the pointy end.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Thank you. All right, so it's settled.

[Stugotz]

Cool.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm sorry that we frustrated you.

[Spice Adams]

I mean, that's how I would picture it. Walking.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Although humans slender point is at the top. We didn't discuss that.

[Stugotz]

You know what? Put it on the pole.

[Spice Adams]

You know, he don't really do leg day.

[Stugotz]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Is the bottom of the pizza the pointy end or the. Because I thought the crust was the bottom end of the pizza. That's how I was thinking backwards. No, but I was. I was just pointing at the bottom. I was just. I get what you're saying, but I never considered it before this moment.

[Jeremy]

Do you even eat pizza, Dan?

[Spice Adams]

Y'.

[Stugotz]

All.

[Spice Adams]

Y' all must argue all the time.

[Jeremy]

It's an important conversation.

[Spice Adams]

Got to.

[Stugotz]

I'm glad we're having it. I also wanted to talk some football with him, but before I do that, I wanted to talk a little bit about your ascent into entertainment. How did you get involved with Shaquille o'? Neal? Where and when did you know that you wanted to be something in entertainment, be being a football player?

[Spice Adams]

Well, this entertainment has kind of been what I've been doing my whole life. You know, I don't have any brothers and sisters, so I always wanted to entertain people. So they always wanted to come back over to my house. And then by the time I turned 14, I've been this same size and height since I was 12. When I was 12, I was 290 pounds. And so I looked like a grown man. My mom took me to Little League practice, and they thought I was one of the coaches. He said, you know what? Just for fun, have them get on the scale. And then I was 290 at 12. So I've been. Right, right. So when I turned 14, my mom made me play football, and I've been playing football ever since. But when I retired, I felt like, man, what am I gonna do now? And I just kind of gravitated towards entertainment because that's all I've been doing my whole life. So everything all worked out, and it's been a great ride, man. I had a lot of fun, but I'd like to shout out all my teammates, man. Into doing it, man. They was like, man, go out there, man. We see how funny you are in the locker room, but nobody else really get a chance to do it. So shout out to Earl Bennett. Shout out to Chris Harris. Cause they were the main ones who were like, man, you need to get on this social media stuff. You built for it. But all I wanted to do was play football and have my fingers look like this.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I was just noticing his fingers, Dan, how that happened? Yeah, they are. No, no, wait a minute.

[Spice Adams]

I'm throwing up the west side, and I ain't even really doing this. Like, I'm not. Like, this is just how my fingers are just throwing. I can't put my fingers on a flat surface. They all just pop right up from grabbing. All these years, you say.

[Stugotz]

You say, how did that happen, Zas? That is something that football players just laugh about. Right? The dislocated finger, the idea that you would catch your finger between helmets. You guys are built differently than the rest of us. Right. You can't pull change out of a place. What are some of the things you can't do because of what football has done to your hands?

[Spice Adams]

Like, get out of bed, maybe?

[Stugotz]

Well, your hands just. I was just. I wasn't talking about the entirety of your body. I'm just talking about your. Your. Your hands. Because people don't understand what it takes to do what it is you do and what the sacrifice is.

[Spice Adams]

Yeah. This is just kind of what you signed up for, man. Like, that's how you can tell if somebody plays defensive line or not. You can just look at their fingers. But this is. This is. This is what you signed up for, man. And, you know, sometimes it's hard to put on gloves because all your fingers are. They're like, you know, have you seen Torrey Holt's fingers? Yeah, like, his fingers.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a 90 degree.

[Spice Adams]

They got a mind of their own. Like, all his fingers look like they're getting lost.

[Jeremy]

They can't be Brian Baldinger.

[Spice Adams]

They look like they're just doing, like, this, like, hog on different. I Don't know how he put gloves on.

[Dan Le Batard]

His job is to catch footballs and his pinky finger is a 90 degree angle. It's insane.

[Spice Adams]

It looks like, like Anthony Munoz fingers just like this.

[Stugotz]

I thought. Oh, I thought Baldinger was the standard there in terms of weird fingers. I didn't think that wide receivers had that problem, though. I thought it was interior lineman more.

[Jeremy]

Than wide rece from Kurt Warner Dano.

[Spice Adams]

That's how you know he catches.

[Jeremy]

Those are Torrey Holt's hands. We're showing the audience Torrey Holt's hands right now.

[Spice Adams]

Fingers are ridiculous, I'm telling you. They all look like they're getting lost.

[Stugotz]

I want to ask you a handful of football questions about what you presently see happening in the league. When you see Ben Roethlisberger throwing out the idea that Mike Tomlin should leave the Steelers to go coach Penn State, your alma mater, your. Your alma mater is. Is in disarray. Franklin has left and took the recruiting class with him.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Spice Adams]

Wow. I didn't. Roethlisberger said that. Yep. That's. You know, as much as I would love to see that, I love Terry Smith. I think they should just hire Terry Smith. I mean, he's played there. His dad played there. Like, he's a legacy and he understands everything there is to know about Penn State football. He's passionate about it, and he's took a team that was. They didn't know where they were going to go next. They were lost. He took a. That had someone take their leader from them, and he got them to get to a bowl game. He got them to get that fire again. He's speaking to these kids parents to let them know, like, hey, they're still in good hands even though we fired Coach Franklin. But I'm here. So he has these players, like, in his corner and they love him, and he has these guys on fire right now. So why not hire from within and hire someone who's. Who understands Penn State tradition? So I say keep Terry Smith spice.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're a very famous meme where you're.

[Stugotz]

In the yellow jacket, rubbing your hands together, you know, crooked fingers behind the tree. When did you realize, whoa, like, this is a really famous meme now.

[Spice Adams]

I knew it was famous when I saw what I was looking at. I was looking at a Red Baron pizza.

[Stugotz]

This red bear this guy gets.

[Dan Le Batard]

You've been asked this question on this story before.

[Stugotz]

This is his segue into promoting the.

[Spice Adams]

Looking at this red beer.

[Stugotz]

That's not true in any way. He's totally lying right now.

[Spice Adams]

Guess what? If y' all into fantasy football league, y' all could get this humble pie. Y' all can get this humble pie@red Baron.com HumblePie between now and December 15, if you lose in fantasy football league, you ain't got to worry about sprinting a marathon and doing all that crazy stuff. Just eat you some humble pie, man. Got the red bear Carolina reaper sauce on. Got the spicy mozzarella, ghost pepper cheese. It got cayenne pepper on the pepperoni, Habanero jalapeno and habanero flakes all over the pizza. That's what I was looking at behind.

[Stugotz]

The tree like this. Seamless spikes. That is nonsense, what you just did. You just turned on the promotion.

[Jeremy]

The man's an entertainer again.

[Stugotz]

You turned on.

[Jeremy]

I didn't even notice.

[Stugotz]

What'd he do, the promotional Red Bull?

[Spice Adams]

I was just answering your questions.

[Jeremy]

That was an ad.

[Spice Adams]

What are you talking about?

[Jeremy]

I'm gonna get a humble pie.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't even think that pizza was invented.

[Spice Adams]

Go to redbarry.com humblepie now 15th. You can do that.

[Stugotz]

Get out of here.

[Dan Le Batard]

That pizza was not invented when you did that.

[Spice Adams]

Get out of here.

[Stugotz]

I don't believe you. And when I say get out of here, I don't mean it sort of figuratively. I'm telling you. We have to wrap. You have to wrap.

[Producer/Caller]

Tony, go.

[Stugotz]

Get out of here. Everyone. You that lady. Tony.

[Producer/Caller]

We gotta go.

[Stugotz]

Get out of here. Who is that person talking to me? Yelling who? We gotta go.

[Dan Le Batard]

We gotta go. Tony.

[Stugotz]

It's a hard out. Tony. Tony.

[Dan Le Batard]

Your real name is Tony.

[Stugotz]

Take a bite of the pizza. Did you see what Spice just did to me? Spices. But he doesn't bring the whole thing down.

[Jeremy]

That pizza does look good.

[Stugotz]

We heard you the first three times. The first three times. We got a rap. We got a rap. There's an emergency here.

Get out of here.

[Dan Le Batard]

And Zoom.

[Stugotz]

And the Zoom Spice has to go. Get Tony out of here. Everybody out of here. Tony. Out of here.

[Jeremy]

Rap, rap, rap. They call him the Rapper.

[Stugotz]

That was total, unequivocal bullshit. What just happened at the end? There was that song that lady get on. I wanted to ask him about the Great American Banking Show. Jeremy wanted some advice on how to be a game show host. That's all I want in my life. He had to get his plug in. He knew he had a heart out. I didn't know he had a heart out. Tony didn't know he had a heart out.

[Dan Le Batard]

You really messed that one up, Tony.

[Stugotz]

That woman just started screaming.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's A shame. I could have talked to that guy forever. Our chemistry was incredible.

[Stugotz]

How is it that that person ended up live on air with.

[Jeremy]

I thought it was David Sampson. Like a drop of David Sampson, say, we got a rap Tony. I was like, where is.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're on the Zoom listening, and then they mic themselves. That. That used to happen when we were on the radio. I used to get a phone call on the other guest line, like, yeah, I'm trying.

[Stugotz]

Sometimes it'll be on the air. Sometimes on the air sometimes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, yeah. But how is it first time on Zoom?

[Stugotz]

Okay, let me explain something to Red Baron and that lady. I don't like that lady. Your time constraints cannot be so 10 minutes that you're yelling at me in the middle of what it is we're talking about out here and saying, we gotta wrap Tony in the middle of the program that we're doing and stop.

[Dan Le Batard]

Trying to break up with me. We broke up with you first. The tie goes to Dan. He said, get out of here. Well, before they said, we gotta rap Tony.

[Stugotz]

And the reason I said, oh, we.

[Jeremy]

Just figured it out.

[Stugotz]

I know who Tony is.

[Dan Le Batard]

I figured it out.

[Spice Adams]

Spice. Adam's name is Anthony.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I cracked that code. Seymour. And also his name's Tony.

[Jeremy]

Dan got by me.

[Stugotz]

Thought he was talking to him. I'm still angry about what Tony did there. Where. Where Zaz asked a legitimate question about the meme, and he went straight into his promotion because he knew he had a minute left before Tony had a heart out. And that woman started yelling at everyone in our audience.

[Jeremy]

Tony, specifically me. I was like. I didn't even say anything.

[Stugotz]

What do you want me to do?

[Dan Le Batard]

She wasn't talking to her.

[Stugotz]

His name is Tony.

[Jeremy]

A couple of Tony's coming up.

[Stugotz]

We need to make sure that we talk to the good people at Red Baron and never let them do that again to us.

[Jeremy]

I like Red Baron, Dan. Red Baron a lot.

[Stugotz]

It's a good.

[Jeremy]

It's a good frozen pie. Yeah, I don't know about that. The humble pie. The roast pepper sauce that made me chill. That was good for Red Baron, though.

[Stugotz]

Like, that's. You were saying, Tony, that you like Red Baron, at least in part, because as. As it relates. Pizza. Pizza that's easy to make for yourself. It's extra doughy that you've got some. That it's not flimsy with its doughiness. It's. You. You like it?

[Jeremy]

No, but sometimes the Red Baron, they got the thin cut. I don't know. I like the Thick. Oh, you like the thick? I like the thin cut. It's like a very. Like, not cracker, but very, like very tough, very crispy.

[Stugotz]

I like that.

[Jeremy]

I like it thick with two Cs.

[Stugotz]

We have to rap.

[Jeremy]

How does that not sound like David Sampson?

[Stugotz]

We have to rap. Well, it does sound like David Sampson.

[Jeremy]

But it was a guy.

[Stugotz]

I also thought it was an old woman, though. I'm. We have to rap.

[Jeremy]

I feel good about that.

[Stugotz]

Well, do you feel good about it being an old woman or an old man?

[Jeremy]

Yeah, to me, that sounds like a woman.

[Stugotz]

I think it's a man. We have to rap. Yeah, I think it's. Man, it's. It's an aggressive.

[Jeremy]

I think we should stay in these waters.

[Stugotz]

It's an aggressive. Wow. Look, it already got to awkward. We might as well stay here. It's a specialty of ours. I've got some random person yelling at Tony that we didn't know was his name. I've been referring to him as Spice the entire time. I didn't know he was Tony. I thought she was. He was yelling at Kaladiyude. And. And I didn't know where the voice came from. I also didn't know, as an added bonus, whether it was just in my ear or everybody was hearing it. Like I said, because. Because I've got a bit of air traffic control system in my ear where I've got 17 different voices. And then you know what my reaction is? And it should never happen on our show. My reactions are, who the hell is that?

[Dan Le Batard]

You almost screamed at Lewis. I saw it.

[Jeremy]

I felt like a Lewis mistake. I'm not gonna lie.

[Stugotz]

When it was happening, I didn't know whether. Whether it was public. I didn't know whether it was this Tony. I didn't know the Spice was named Tony. I didn't know we were out of time. I didn't know there were time limits with Spice. Nobody informed me of anything. What is the great urgency was Spice that he's got to get out of here after exactly nine minutes with such urgency that he crams in his promotion. And furthermore, and I don't like this part either, turns on the energy. The moment it is time to just.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chill pizza and I'll pull back the curtain. He was early.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, he was 10 minutes early.

[Dan Le Batard]

This was a 10:30 Eastern hit.

[Stugotz]

We have to rap.

[Dan Le Batard]

You have to rap.

[Stugotz]

For who?

[Dan Le Batard]

Us.

[Stugotz]

I would like to have a conversation with the people who gave us Spice Adams, in which I explained to them. And I'm gonna try and keep my hostility down. You didn't let me ask about the Great American Baking Show. You didn't tell me that I had a limit on my time. You got him out after nine minutes. And the only thing that he did at the end that had energy was shill pizza. And that's bullshit.

[Jeremy]

Penn State answer, though.

[Stugotz]

He was surprised by that. He was. I mean, I was. Breaking News.

[Dan Le Batard]

Interim was 3 and 3.

[Stugotz]

That's why we have to rap.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really rallied those troops.

[Jeremy]

I feel good that that's an old woman.

[Stugotz]

You're sure? Because I'm. I'm not. And put it on the poll as well. Does David Sampson sound like an old woman? Because we have to wrap it. It does sound like David Sampson. I can't dispute we have to rap.

[Jeremy]

I thought it was in my headset. We have to rap, Tony. And I'm listening. I'm like, okay, like, what do you want me to do about it? Like, Dan's doing the interview.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan seems like he's pretty well on his way to kicking him out. I hear that.

[Jeremy]

If I was listening to that interview.

[Stugotz]

Right there, I would think that Tony.

[Jeremy]

Was the point person.

[Producer/Caller]

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[Jeremy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Checkout.

[Jeremy]

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Don LeBatard.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Stugotz]

Every cup game and at what? This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

I want to backtrack here for a second on something that we were talking about as it related to Chris Paul because there's been some sound I've been wanting to get to since Monday that I have not been able to get to, which is since Pablo Torre ruined the Clippers. There is not a whole lot of interesting going on around the Clippers that is positive. It's mostly negative. Negative. And we have sound here of Clippers announcers during a game. Okay. They do not talk about the game. You guys tell me if you know what it is that's going on in the game. Their job is to talk about the action in the game. But I think they are in this Lou Riddick chuckle situation where the Pittsburgh Miami game was so bad that they end up at the end just doing Mike Ryan's propaganda because the game wasn't close and they just had to talk about other things. And a fine thing to talk about would be the debate, the sports debate around the university.

[Jeremy]

These guys, these Clippers broadcasters just get into some debate about some trivia question. We don't even have the trivia question. They're reacting to some previous trivia question and they go about three minutes, hardly even referencing the game at all.

[Stugotz]

So I go back to that trivia question you sprung on me. Ambushed is a better word. The trios in the.

[Spice Adams]

I didn't.

[Stugotz]

Ambush.

[Spice Adams]

What was it? Ambush.

[Stugotz]

So the whole premise of the question was way off.

[Spice Adams]

No, it was not.

Verbat. No, no, no. Go ahead. You tell me. No, I telling you.

[Jeremy]

Wheels inside.

[Stugotz]

You tell me exactly what I asked you of family members. I didn't say.

[Spice Adams]

What was the first. I didn't say that the last. I didn't say that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Go ahead.

[Stugotz]

Didn't give me the question. No, cuz I'll tell you where it's off.

[Spice Adams]

Okay. Would it be Mr.

Main Event? That was his big name. Get it?

[Stugotz]

I do get it. Why?

[Jeremy]

You could go one of two ways.

[Spice Adams]

Boxing had a main event.

[Jeremy]

Also a little thing called the WWF.

[Stugotz]

Running back and forth that. They're not the speakers.

[Spice Adams]

That's what I'm saying.

[Stugotz]

Play on words.

[Spice Adams]

No, no, no. They just ask you.

[Dan Le Batard]

So give me the question.

[Stugotz]

I'm not waiting. Give me the question.

[Dan Le Batard]

I forgot it.

[Jeremy]

Your premise is inaccurate.

[Dan Le Batard]

And that's the whole reason that it.

[Stugotz]

Threw off my equilibrium. So you just can't say you didn't.

[Spice Adams]

Know you were wrong.

[Stugotz]

Ask me the question.

[Spice Adams]

I didn't. I don't know how I asked it.

[Jeremy]

Just give me the. Give me the. Give me the topic.

[Stugotz]

It was name.

It was a trio of.

A trio.

[Spice Adams]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Family members.

[Spice Adams]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Three.

[Spice Adams]

I said three.

[Stugotz]

And that's why the whole thing is erroneous.

[Spice Adams]

Why?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's three.

[Stugotz]

Cooper flag controls.

[Jeremy]

I'm going to let you marinate in this for just a moment.

[Stugotz]

So you said trio and you kept going duo.

[Spice Adams]

You kept going duo.

[Stugotz]

No, no. You kept. You kept I said. I said, because the answer isn't the berries.

You have Rick Barry, John Barry, our favorite Barry, Brent Barry, and then the youngest brother, Drew Barry.

[Spice Adams]

I said, same team.

So that's why it was the nan.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's why.

[Spice Adams]

Completely.

[Stugotz]

No, no.

No, no.

[Spice Adams]

You didn't miss. I said they played for the same team.

[Stugotz]

Christy in the corner for three. That's the first game, actually.

That's what threw you off. Had duo, but you didn't have trio for the same team. Just admit it, man. It's okay.

[Spice Adams]

So I'mma put a button on this.

[Stugotz]

You were going to say the Four.

[Spice Adams]

Bears that played in the league. Right? I asked you specifically on the same. For the same team or franchise.

[Stugotz]

I mean, we got the tape. Maybe we're not going to roll it.

[Spice Adams]

So remember that when one of your boys has something.

[Stugotz]

And they use it.

Why do we put a button on things? Why is there a button?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think we do we put a bow on it?

[Jeremy]

Put a pin in it.

[Stugotz]

Is it a pit? So he said. But he did say, I'm going to put a button on this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Maybe just a button.

[Jeremy]

You put a bow. When you're done with it, you put a pin. If you're just, like, not done yet, you got to go back to a pin is. I want to continue. That's also when you send someone your location. He meant button.

[Stugotz]

So a pin is like a bookmark. Putting a pin in it is something you come back to. Putting a bow on it is something that's finished. But what happens when you put a button on it?

[Jeremy]

He meant bow.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, close it.

[Stugotz]

So but is there not a button put on it? There's not. It's just he might have meant bo. I don't know what he meant because they described no part of the game. I'm hoping that that was radio. I think there were like nine, three pointers made while they were talking about that.

[Jeremy]

To put a button on it comes from the theater world, where it means to add a final touch to a scene or provide closure, a sense of completion. It's been used since at least the 1930s. I don't believe it.

[Stugotz]

Okay, but that doesn't really explain, like, while I know what it means to put a button on something and he did use it correctly.

[Dan Le Batard]

So on brand for Jeremy with that correction.

[Stugotz]

Well, it was a correction he was trying to add, but all he did was explain something I already knew. I want to know why the fuck the button was put on it. So is the button the last thing that gets put On a costume. Is it. Is. Is it the final.

[Jeremy]

I'm on it.

[Spice Adams]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

I just was curious about that. Thank you. I appreciate you moving us off of that.

[Jeremy]

We got a wrap.

[Dan Le Batard]

We got a wrap. Dan. We got a wrap. We were going to stay on that sound longer than they bickered.

[Stugotz]

We got a wrap. Tony. We got a wrap.

[Jeremy]

Like, what the hell did I do?

[Stugotz]

I am going. We have to wrap. I want you guys.

I want you guys to get for me, okay? Everyone involved with marketing at Red Baron Pizza so that I can have a conversation with them after the show to explain to me how it is that they thought that that was the way to handle. I don't think that's. We have to wrap. It's a live show.

[Jeremy]

Let me just go on the intercom.

[Stugotz]

Here and tell someone named Tony, which we learned was spice. It's time to rap.

[Jeremy]

That bothers me.

[Stugotz]

I hate that. We are getting to the bucket here. The Dentek bucket. I will remind everybody to put their mouthpieces in. And I will remind everybody listening to this that if you have any headaches in the morning, if you do not know that you're grinding your teeth while you sleep at night, Dentek is a way to alleviate that. I know this because it was happening to me and I was able to get some headaches out of my life that I didn't even know were happening because I was grinding my teeth.

[Jeremy]

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[Stugotz]

Jeremy, what did you pick there?

[Jeremy]

So I never thought that I would have a team playing the Cleveland Browns that I want to put back, but this is the Titans, so I'm putting it back.

[Stugotz]

We have to wrap. They are four and a half point underdog at Cleveland. By the way, one of the helmets or some of the helmets that you'd like. Carolina, the Giants, New England and San Francisco are on a buy. You picked the Colts. The Colts are the. I've got the Colts after the jags. They're a 2 1/2 point favorite at the Jags.

[Jeremy]

Jags are frisky.

[Stugotz]

Dan the Jigs, Colts favorite on the road. The money does not believe in the Jags because they continue to be underdogs in games at home even though they've got an 8 and 4 record.

[Jeremy]

You know the Colts haven't won in Jacksonville since 2014.

[Stugotz]

I did not know that.

[Jeremy]

You know who the quarterbacks were? Andrew Luck and Chad Henney.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know Spiro Adidas was there for it.

[Stugotz]

We have to rap.

[Dan Le Batard]

New York Zombies. That sounds bad.

[Jeremy]

Oh, I think they're on a buy.

[Stugotz]

Ooh, yeah.

[Jeremy]

Dan said they're on a buy.

[Stugotz]

Giants got a buy. Congratulations. He didn't win that back. No one is happy for you.

[Jeremy]

Here we go. Here we go. Let's see what I got here. I got the Dallas Cowboys tonight in a game that is a live or die game on Thursday Night Football. It's a do or die game. I don't know.

[Stugotz]

They are a three and a half point dog against Detroit. Look at their schedule, by the way. This is their last hard game and furthermore they have the potential to win out and not make the playoffs.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. The thing is if Detroit loses, I think they're on a similar path where they're out of the playoffs too. So it's like can Dallas win and maybe get some help to go to the playoffs or is Detroit gonna lose and get out of the playoffs? I'm gonna put that one back.

[Stugotz]

Two higher stakes. A three and a half point dog.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, two higher stakes in that game. I got em again. So it doesn't matter. We got a wrap.

[Dan Le Batard]

We got a wrap.

[Stugotz]

I don't think that we're supposed to. This has happened to me a couple times. I think we're supposed to take that helmet out and keep it out.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think that's why you put.

[Jeremy]

It back for that possibility.

[Dan Le Batard]

We've only done this for 10 years.

[Jeremy]

I got the Eagles.

[Stugotz]

They are at. They're at the Chargers and they're a three and a half point favorite at the Chargers.

[Jeremy]

Justin Herbert had surgery on his non throwing. He's gonna play in the game. Why are you doing the Steph Curry mouth guard in your mouth.

[Stugotz]

Packers.

[Jeremy]

The packers are big game against the Bears, Dan.

[Stugotz]

Oh, that is a big game. Okay.

[Jeremy]

Bigger favorite. I'll take it.

[Stugotz]

So the packers and the Bears play a meaningful game. Man, it's been a long time since both of these teams were good at the same time.

[Jeremy]

Six and a half points is a big line.

[Dan Le Batard]

Maybe since Smokin J.

[Stugotz]

So the Bears are. I had the Cardinals. I don't even have to look. I'm throwing, throwing that back. Okay, you're not looking even. And the Cardinals are at home against the Rams and they're eight and a half points. I got the Rams and the Rams. That's much better.

[Dan Le Batard]

Remember that Caleb Haney playoff game?

[Stugotz]

I do not remember that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Packers, Packers, Bears. Caleb Haney came in the Titans.

[Stugotz]

I know. I don't want that at the Browns.

The Panthers have a buy, so they're.

[Jeremy]

Playing good ball too.

[Stugotz]

Dan, their season is over. Over.

I've been saying that since they beat the Dolphins. They beat the Dolphins and I proclaimed their season over. And the Carolina Panthers are now 7 and 6. They have a chance to win the division. That's the only way to do it right. They're not going to get into the playoffs. The the disparity between the AFC and the NFC is something to behold. The 49ers are what, right now at 9 and 4 they are a 5 seed or a 6 succeed. What are. Where are they third in their own division?

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

Don Libertard. No one else here is willing to do a trump or a biden.

[Jeremy]

That's not true, Dan.

[Stugotz]

Okay, Tony, you can impersonations.

[Spice Adams]

That's not bad, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

Finally.

[Stugotz]

Terrible. Pretty good st. Yours is terrible.

[Jeremy]

You just gotta get a little redder, a little pinker. You're right there, man.

[Stugotz]

Yours is not that you're biting. What do you mean?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, his is good.

[Jeremy]

That's actually not bad. Not terrible. That's not terrible.

[Stugotz]

We gotta come together.

[Jeremy]

Little Southern, little George Bush in that one.

[Stugotz]

This is the D. Levatar show with the st.

The 49ers are 9 and 4. They have done what they always do. No matter how injured they they are. They're the seventh seed. They're hanging on. Okay, so they're the seven seed at nine and four, while the Bengals at four and eight have a chance to get in the playoffs in the afc, if they win their division, the only way for Carolina to actually make the playoffs. And the reason I keep saying their season is over is because that team does not have a legitimate chance to do anything. Anything if they get into the playoffs. No. No team from that division does. Including the Bucks. But why? Where are we on the idea of the Carolina Panthers chasing down the Bucks? I see a lot of people on television these days looking at schedules. The Colts schedule is an apocalypse the rest of the way. They've got too many difficult games. Panthers beat the Rams last week, the.

[Jeremy]

Best team in football. They beat the best team in football last week.

[Stugotz]

All right, look. Yes, they did and they've played well at home. And they beat the Falcons 30 to nothing at home. They beat the Rams though, because the Rams had three turnovers. And that's not a team that ever turns the ball over. You hadn't had Matthew Stafford throw an interception in 10 weeks.

[Dan Le Batard]

So no credit to them for forcing them to look like that. They forced turnovers.

[Stugotz]

I believe that turnovers are largely lucky. There are some instances. For example, the jets have been bad this year, at least in part, because before last week I think they'd caused one turnover. But I don't. I don't actually think the causing of turnovers is an ability. You go ahead and look at. For example, go ahead and help me this year with the randomness of football turnovers given that I thought that the jets and the Steelers were going to have good defenses this year because they had good defenses last year. But I don't actually believe that unless you have a pass rush, like unless you have what they have in Denver. I don't believe that turnovers are a recreatable thing. For example, that Chiefs Dallas game. The Chiefs Dallas game that got decided with the Cowboys winning. You tell me whether you think the turnover, the fumble at the end of the game that the Cowboys did not actually lose. You think that that's an ability, what Turpin did there?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I. The Carolina's top 10 in turnovers. But yes, I think that you force turnovers. I think you prepare for weeks on end for an opponent. You see something in film and you execute a game plan. I do think, yeah, there's sometimes a ball slips out of a hand, but that's not what happened against the LA Rams. They forced those turnovers. They played really well.

[Jeremy]

Or you're playing against that lamb man. You know about that Lamb man? Yo, stop asking me if I know.

[Stugotz]

About that lamb man. So let's examine this for a second Because I do believe there is a large element of luck with forced turnovers everywhere except where it regards pass rush. Because if you have pass rush that you can get, that is a disruption, that is something that can be forced upon the other team. It can also make your secondary a great deal better. Because if you have pass rush, we all know what that is. But I am not that impressed with Carolina's pass rush. They were good against the Rams. I thought Stafford had a bad game, and I don't think that Carolina forced that upon him. And the rams still scored 28 points in the game.

[Jeremy]

The thing is about NFL like, it's a weird game. The ball is weird. Weird things happen. It was just one of those games for the Rams. Like things didn't click and they had all their pieces there and it just didn't happen.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, it is what it is. You're kind of in a roundabout way talking about what's happening with the College Football Playoff. You're just projecting assumptions and macro data points. When they played a game on the field and their pass rush was effective and they forced turnovers in that game. And that's why we have competitive athletics.

[Jeremy]

They also won at Green Bay. So when you talk about like only being good at home, they did win on the road at a team that's going to be be pretty high up in, in the playoffs. And the thing that you bank on if you're the Panthers is the same thing that you're banking on actually, if you're the Bears, which is we have not one, but two different running backs we can go to. The reason they beat the Rams is because they ran the ball. What they ran the ball 40 times, five times with Bryce Young, but 17 carries for Chuba Hubbard, 18 carries for Rico Dowdle. And when you can con control the possessions that way and not turn the ball over, you have a chance to to turn out on the other side of the turnover margin. On the other side of the coin, though, they lost the Bills 49 and they lost the Patriots 42 13. So it's like, where are you in the hierarchy of are you a good team? Are you a bad team? If you create turnovers and you can run the ball okay, you're a little bit better. But then when you have a team that plays really good offense, you kind of suck.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're an execution team and they're lining up against these teams with a talent disparity. And yes, it's about limiting the opponent's possessions because the more possessions they get, the more likely they Are are to score points. So you try to control the game and you stick to a game plan. Again, this is why we play the games.

[Stugotz]

They have a couple of games against the Bucks in the last five games that will end up deciding that division. But I do think when we talk about the analysis around some of this, I'd like to explore this with you guys. Okay? Small samples, right? 13 games played, you're seven and six. We all know that all the football games are closed. Go look at Arizona's schedule and how many games they've lost by 1, 2, 3, 3 or 4 points. Just go look at Arizona and if you think one score winning is an ability, you explain to me why the Chiefs were great at it last year and are terrible at it this year when we all know that the Chiefs are great. We've seen over the last few years they are consistently great. So I believe that part of the problem that happens with football analysis is you get small samples, you get a whole lot of randomness and you get what I'm talking about with forced turnovers which are not recreatable. Like I don't think if A team causes 16 turnovers this year, returns all its starters on defense next year that they then can create 16 turnovers again next year.

[Jeremy]

It was Dallas a couple years ago where they had this incredible defense and had like 30 different turnovers throughout the season. The next year they returned basically all of their starters except maybe a couple and then were a laughing stock defense.

[Stugotz]

Cardinals have lost seven games by four points or less.

[Dan Le Batard]

I, I, I don't disagree with what Dan is saying about one score games and them being a trade. But if you look at the teams that they've lost one score games to, they're all excellent teams. And late game execution usually comes down to who can execute better, who's more talented. And if you look compare that to last year. The problem why everyone was saying look out for these Chiefs, they might be inflated is they were doing those one score games and those getting those dubs against teams that were inferior to them this year. Not, not the case.

[Stugotz]

You're right in a way. But when you say late game execution matters, there's no team in the sport that I trust more with late game execution right now than the Rams. Then the Rams and what happened at the end of that game is oh look, Stafford's fumbling because he didn't see that coming from the, from the blind side and that never happens to them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's a great sport.

[Stugotz]

It's also a random sport.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, there's some randomness to it. We've talked about how the ball isn't round. Like sometimes there is randomness, sometimes there's a bad call. But there's also days and weeks and months of preparation for an opponent on how do you strategize to stop somebody. It's awesome.

[Stugotz]

It is awesome. And you can increase some probabilities, but turnovers are super random. And if you don't think the defense is recreatable from one year to the next, if you return all your starters, I don't know how you would think that turnovers are recreatable from one year to the next. When you need guys to fumble yet like you need. You need to punch the ball correctly in order to get a fumble. You can prepare, you can try.

[Dan Le Batard]

But.

[Spice Adams]

But it.

[Stugotz]

You are ignoring that the other team is also preparing to not fumble.

[Dan Le Batard]

Force turnovers historically not something that carries over year after year. Teams can get hot. There is randomness at play. But I, I'm not in the the headquarters of the Carolina Panthers, but I'd imagine the majority of those first four turnovers were the byproduct of preparation and execution.

[Stugotz]

So you say this and I know we want to talk about preparation and execution, but Michael Jackson, the guy who had the pick six is also the gu. Allowed the Pukinakua catch. How do you prepare for that? Pukinakua.

[Jeremy]

You can't but that.

[Stugotz]

But how do you. How do you prepare for. I'm going to throw it at Puka's right wrist and he's going to catch it with the back of his right wrist. Like what, what are you. What, what are you preparing for?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean he, he. He executed. It's just Puka executed better. I mean it was great. It was great.

[Jeremy]

D better. Oh, Dan, you know that saying great D better.

[Stugotz]

O Yes, I know that saying, but I am simply maintaining that I don't believe that in many instances that turnovers are a thing that you can prepare for and execute. Unless you're playing against Max Brosmer or Bromer or whatever.

[Jeremy]

Brosna or whatever.

[Stugotz]

Whatever. Whatever his name is.

[Dan Le Batard]

We never speak it again.

[Stugotz]

So they Seattle prepared for Brosmer panicking, getting caught by the arm and simply flipping it straight to a Seattle seat. Hawk.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, but they prepared for a first start quarterback and hey, let's throw hell out of him, Adam and see how he reacts. And that's how he reacted.

[Jeremy]

Poorly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not a good reaction. You're.

[Stugotz]

You're dead set on believing that there is some outfit out there that can create a great many fumbles. You're outside of pass rush. Outside of pass rush, which is quarterback strip sacks and all that stuff where you're just getting to the quarterback. You believe there's another scenario where I'm.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not going to discount it as all random. No. I think that there are teams that are coaching this.

[Stugotz]

I'm not discounting it as all random, but I think there's a lot of random in it.

[Producer/Caller]

We have to wrap. Tony.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now's a good time to remember where tequila's story truly began. In 1795, Cuervo invented tequila.

[Stugotz]

Cuervo.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are you doing here?

[Stugotz]

Cuervo? Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I do know that to be true. But even during ad reads like Cuervo, I think he could lay out especially for one of our great partners.

[Stugotz]

Sweet, delicious is Cuervo.

[Dan Le Batard]

Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots. The same family, the same land, the same passion.

[Stugotz]

Cuervo.

[Dan Le Batard]

So enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo. Cuervo the tequila that invented tequila. Proximo Cuervo. Com. Please drink responsibly.

[Stugotz]

Cuervo.