Hour 1: Twenty To Eleven

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 1: Twenty To Eleven
Date: December 16, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Main Theme & Purpose

This episode is a blend of classic Le Batard roundtable banter and in-depth discussion, combining sharp (and often ridiculous) sports insights with pop-culture detours and comedic asides. The group dives into topics including escalating NBA salaries, rare franchise stability in the NFL (with a focus on the Steelers and Ravens), anticipation and skepticism around the Anthony Joshua vs. Jake Paul fight, Knicks fandom, and the impact of injuries on NFL teams as the playoffs approach—all delivered with the show’s trademark irreverence and chemistry.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Exploding NBA Salaries and Player Perspectives

[01:45–03:46]

• Jeremy Tache asks Tony Kaladiu about the current spike in NBA max contracts and the collective bargaining agreement.
• Tony Kaladiu: “I love it. Go get your money” ([02:08]). Tony reflects on how, growing up, NBA salaries seemed huge, but recent contracts ($280-300M for stars like SGA, Tatum, Brown) are staggering.
• Tony jokes that he might have had a chance at an NBA check if not for injuries and “politics”—slightly tongue-in-cheek about being a “tweener” (neither big nor fast enough) ([02:38]).
• Jeremy: “So I was Derek Williams, if you will, a tweener. A Michael Beasley of your day.” ([02:52])
• Tony emphasizes respect among athletes, the unseen sacrifices (like parenting after games), and mutual appreciation for the grind:

  “We’re gladiators…My ankle’s hurting. That’s not something I get money for…Let’s have some fun. So I don't feel bad for my opponents ever. I respect my opponents.” ([03:03–03:46])

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2. NFL Franchises: Stability, Coaching, & the Steelers/Ravens Conversation

[03:46–10:01]

• Chris Cote marvels at the Steelers’ insane head coach stability (only three since 1969) compared to teams like the Phoenix Suns ([03:46]).
• The group discusses whether this stability is impressive or just middling, considering the Steelers haven’t been legitimate title contenders in a while:

  “If the standard is you win the championship or you're irrelevant, man, you are hardened and cynical.” — Chris Cote ([04:56])

• Dan Le Batard notes that both Tomlin and Cower have never lost a home Monday night game ([05:16]).
• Mike Ryan/Zaz argue that neither the Steelers nor Ravens have been recent threats, and both head coaches could be on the hot seat, with mutual “parting of ways” predicted rather than firings ([08:02–08:22]).
• Greg Cody: Skeptical of “overestimating” Tomlin’s legacy despite never having a losing season:

  “In almost 20 years in Pittsburgh, he’s won one Super Bowl. You gotta win more than one if you’re going to rise to that level of elite all time coach.” ([09:42])

Notable Exchange:

• Chris tries to get Greg to do his “Back in My Day” segment for his birthday, but Greg bluntly refuses:

  “No. Hell no.” — Greg Cody ([10:04])

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3. Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua: Real Fight or Circus?

[15:35–23:10]

• Dan Le Batard & Chris Cote tee up the fight, stunned it’s happening and not a “cancellation.”
• They play respectful press conference audio, with Paul trying more psychology than trash talk:

  “For me, it’s not just going in there and being dominating physically. I want to break him down spiritually and mentally.” — Anthony Joshua ([17:02]) “That’s not exactly Jake Paul trash talking.” — Chris Cote ([17:50])

• Dan paints it as a massive mismatch.

  “If [Jake Paul] were to beat Anthony Joshua, I’d put it with the biggest upsets all time in sports.” ([18:37])

• Chris and Dan discuss skepticism about odds (+700 for Jake, -1200 for Joshua), suspecting people think the fix might be in.
• Debate over fight “fixes” and the legacy of big-money fights like Mayweather/McGregor:

  “People would go to prison [for fixing].” — Mike Ryan ([19:44]) “If Jake Paul does anything but get knocked out here, the Internet narrative is going to be the fix is in.” — Dan Le Batard ([20:00])

• Greg Cody relishes the chance to see Jake Paul knocked out:

  "I would pay big pay per view money to watch Jake Paul get his. Come on, big money...Wait, when is it?" ([22:10; 22:34])

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4. Knicks Fandom & NBA In-Season Tournament

[24:05–30:05]

• Dan highlights how deeply this Knicks team is loved, with fans preferring to keep the current squad rather than trade for Giannis, even though they’re likely not title contenders ([29:18–30:05]).
• A hilarious, awkward press conference clip is played:

  Reporter asks about Jalen Brunson: “When you factor in his height and not the most athletic—” Josh Hart interrupts: “Jesus, you’ve said it.” ([24:15–24:25])

  • The room cracks up, with the group noting Jalen Brunson and Josh Hart are friends and barely keeping themselves from laughing while Brunson listens to this roast ([25:10]).

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5. Tony’s Top Five NFL Observations

[31:43–35:49]

(Set live from emerald Miami waters, with Miami weather banter)

• Tony Kaladiu’s Top 5 (presented by Smirnoff):
  1. 49ers are “frisky” – “Nobody’s talking about them. Just keep an eye on them.” ([32:17])
  2. Trey McBride’s historic tight end season – 105 catches, 1,071 yards, 10 TDs in 14 games, mostly without Kyler Murray ([32:25]).
  3. Duval County/Jaguars alive at 10-4 – Jaguars not getting national attention; Tony hypes them ([33:06]).
  4. Josh Allen as 'centaur', Bills make AFC East a race again ([33:34]).
  5. Potential Rams vs. Broncos Super Bowl – Tony’s “pin in it” dark horse prediction ([34:03]).
  6. Philip Rivers’ “turning back the clock on his 5-year NFL healthcare benefits” ([34:55]).
  7. Patrick Mahomes (jokingly) tearing his ACL—joking that every QB wants to copy Mahomes now ([35:16]).

Spirited Side Commentary:

• Miami weather—Tony: “It’s kind of cold here…maybe like 69, 70, 71, but there is a breeze. So I am a little bit cold…” ([31:04])
• “You can’t be a chicken if everyone else is a chicken.” — Chris Cote, on not wanting to attend the big fight ([22:42])

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6. NFL: The Toll of Injuries, Detroit Hopes, and Shifting Narratives

[35:53–44:49]

• Deep dive into how roster health completely changes analysis; Detroit is called “the team I want to see in the playoffs” ([40:49]), but their secondary and O-line have been decimated (“playing people who shouldn’t be on a football field”) ([38:21–42:05]).
• Chris Cote: “The average football team is losing 10 players to severe injuries. That’s just your average football team. If I had to guess, Detroit’s got more of that…You can’t keep having these kinds of people injured.” ([41:16])
• Chicago’s success is chalked up to unsustainable turnover luck; the Broncos and Seahawks are highlighted as elite defensive units that could make a “boring" but high-level Super Bowl ([44:00–44:27]).
• Jeremy Tache & Zaz: Defend Bo Nix’s emergence, arguing his production is being overlooked due to system/offense critique ([44:30–44:47]).

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• Tony Kaladiu: “We’re gladiators…Let’s have some fun. So I don’t feel bad for my opponents ever. I respect my opponents.” ([03:20–03:46])
• Chris Cote: “If the standard is you win the championship or you're irrelevant, man, you are hardened and cynical.” ([04:56])
• Greg Cody: "No. Hell no." – on doing “Back in My Day” ([10:04])
• Dan Le Batard: “If Jake Paul were to beat Anthony Joshua, I’d put it with the biggest upsets all time in sports.” ([18:37])
• Mike Ryan: “People would go to prison [for fixing].” ([19:44])
• Dan Le Batard: “If Jake Paul does anything but get knocked out here, the Internet narrative is going to be the fix is in.” ([20:00])
• Josh Hart/Reporter: “Not the most athletic—” / “Jesus, you’ve said it.” ([24:15–24:25])
• Tony Kaladiu: "It’s kind of cold here in Miami today. It may be like 69, 70, 71, but there is a breeze." ([31:04])
• Chris Cote: “You can’t be a chicken if everyone else is a chicken. That’s not the way any of that works.” ([22:42])
• Chris Cote: “The average football team is losing 10 players, 10 players to severe injuries. That’s just your average football team.” ([41:16])
• Zaz: “The drop-off with LaPorta and Ross Dwelley is cavernous.” ([42:05])
• Dan Le Batard: “The only team I want to see in the playoffs is Detroit.” ([40:49])
• Jeremy Tache: “Bo Nix…he’s got Mahomes numbers and yet everyone is doubting this guy.” ([43:34])
• Greg Cody: “Can you imagine a Denver-Seattle Super Bowl?” ([44:22–44:27])
• Chris Cote: “The NFL is an injury attrition experiment by about Week 13.” ([41:16–42:50], paraphrase)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• [01:45] – NBA salaries explode; Tony Kaladiu's athlete perspective
• [03:46] – Steelers’ franchise stability discussion
• [09:42] – Tomlin, Cower, all-time legacy vs. Super Bowls
• [15:35] – Jake Paul vs. Anthony Joshua preview and skepticism
• [18:37] – Dan on the potential “all-time” upset
• [24:05] – Knicks fandom, press conference clip roasting Jalen Brunson
• [31:04] – Tony's weather report from Miami
• [32:08] – Tony’s Top Five NFL (49ers, Trey McBride, Jags shoutout)
• [35:53] – Micah Parsons injury & its fallout
• [41:16] – Injury attrition across the NFL, impact on playoff picture
• [44:00] – Broncos, Seahawks, Bo Nix, and overlooked defensive brilliance

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Final Thoughts & Tone

This episode channels a classic "Sports Bar With Friends" vibe—irreverent, good-natured, but full of genuine insight and inside jokes, often poking fun at their own bits and each other. There’s a real appreciation for both the mundane (Miami “cold” snaps, the quirks of press conferences) and the momentous (franchise legacies, title windows slamming shut due to injuries, and the theater of fight promotion).
If you’re missing the episode, you’ll come away with a sense of the shifting sands of pro sports—how money, injury, and culture shape what’s possible, and how, in the LBSW universe, everything is up for debate, ribbing, and gleeful over-analysis.

Transcript

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[Dan Le Batard]

Let's drive.

[Chris Cote]

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[Jeremy Tache]

Welcome to another episode of Insights to Mediocrity. I'm Jeremy Tache here with our expert, our superstar, Tony Kaladiu.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Good to be here, Jeremy.

[Jeremy Tache]

What do you think about the salaries of today's NBA? Given the salary cap, the collective bargaining agreement, how do you feel about the way that salaries have exploded for the max player in the NBA?

[Tony Kaladiu]

I love it. Go get your money.

[Greg Cody]

Right?

[Tony Kaladiu]

Like when, when we were growing up, it felt like guys were making all these millions of dollars, but it didn't really feel like, oh, wow, it's, it's this level. But now you see the SGA's of the world, you see the Jason Tatums, the Jalen Browns of the world, where they're making 280 and some change, $300 million, and you're like, okay, perfect. Selfishly, it's like, hey, could I have hung around somewhere and Made a couple of scratch here and there. Like I felt like I should have and could have and possibly would have if it weren't for a couple injuries and a couple of politics. I think it was the politics more than anything then the injuries, of course, because I was also in this weird transition of time between I was a little too small and slow to be a big. And then I wasn't fast enough to be a guard.

[Jeremy Tache]

So I was Derek Williams, if you will, a tweener. A Michael Beasley of your day. That's what they say. You know, he was a bucket and 10 day Tony, he's a bucket. Thank you. Of course. Do you ever feel sorry for your opponent?

[Tony Kaladiu]

No. Because it's a mutual respect. They know what we're going into. We're gladiators. We're getting onto the, onto the floor. The times where I come home and my ankle hurts and my daughter's crying at three in the morning and I have to get up and change her diaper, my ankle's hurting. That's not something that I, that I get, you know, money for.

[Jeremy Tache]

It's a sacrifice people don't see behind the scenes. Right.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Thank you. So I'm going in with the appreciation and the gratitude of the man across from me, knowing that he's got work in the market tomorrow too. He's got to go home with a bad hamstring and then work an office job that he hates. So I put the respect on the game for my fellow man across from me saying, I know what you pay to be here. You know what I pay to be here. Let's have some fun. So I don't feel bad for my opponents ever. I, I respect my opponents.

[Chris Cote]

Too long. The Steelers have won eight plus games, 22 straight seasons. And I legitimately think that one of the amazing, most amazing stats in sports is that since the merger, the Steelers have had three coaches. Since 1969, the Pittsburgh Steelers have had three coaches. The Phoenix Suns have had that in the last 24 months. It's just nuts when you think of the consistency of that franchise. We were talking earlier, this is partly because the Browns and Bengals are so cheap that you've been able to play in a division where you're stable and nothing around you is stable, so you get to win it all the time. But are you guys numb to the fact that the Steelers in 50 years have had three coaches?

[Mike Ryan]

I, I suppose. I mean, it's not like they're, it's not like they're any kind of threat. They're not Going to do anything. Like they're probably going to win the division because they're one up with three to play. And they played the Ravens final game of the season, which will probably be for the division. Steelers already beat them earlier in the year. But no one's afraid of this Steeler team. I don't know. I kind of feel like I'm not.

[Chris Cote]

Wait a minute, though. Okay, if the standard is you win the championship or you're irrelevant. Yes. If second place is just the first loser. Yes. But, man, you are hardened and cynical. If I'm giving you 22 straight seasons of eight plus wins, and I just told you three coaches since 1969, that's crazy. Stability.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tomlin and Cower have never lost a home Monday night game.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, no, that's the streak. That's crazy. 23 in a row. I think it is now.

[Chris Cote]

Mine wasn't. My three coaches since 1969 is not crazy. Yours is crazy.

[Greg Cody]

No, it's less surprising because we sort of knew that, you know, I mean, come on.

[Mike Ryan]

But when's the last time someone mentioned Chuck Noll?

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah, that's. Tannehill's a receiver, but Dan.

[Greg Cody]

Chuck Noel. That's back in the Shula era.

[Chris Cote]

I mean, stay in front of the microphone.

[Greg Cody]

No, no, I'm right in front of the mic. But here's the point. The standard in Pittsburgh is so high that for the first time a couple of weeks ago, Tomlin is all of a sudden getting. Getting your. You're distracting me.

[Chris Cote]

I'm just trying to. Put the microphone closer to your mouth.

[Greg Cody]

Tomlin all of a sudden is getting hectored. People want his job, okay? And. And so he. It's been a minute since he's won a playoff game. Like he. He done.

[Chris Cote]

His Teflon is where the Dolphins haven't won1 since 2000.

[Greg Cody]

Give me all the Dolphins, all the.

[Chris Cote]

Coaches the Dolphins have had just since 2000. Please give me the names. And I'm just giving interims to the list of all the coaches.

[Dan Le Batard]

You do like, who does. Who didn't start the fire?

[Mike Ryan]

Dan Campbell, can. Cameron Saban, Adam Gay.

[Chris Cote]

You guys are awfully hard.

[Mike Ryan]

That's my.

[Chris Cote]

If you're not impressed by stability. Like the noise is so loud around all of the pressure in football for you to shrug your shoulders at. They always have winning seasons. As if it doesn't matter.

[Greg Cody]

Like it matters. But look where they're at right now. And Zaz is right. They're not a threat to win a series.

[Mike Ryan]

They haven't been a threat for at.

[Greg Cody]

Least 10 years and they're recycling a 42 year old quarterback.

[Dan Le Batard]

Everyone in the AC, everyone in the AFC wants to play Pittsburgh in the playoffs.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, that's right.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, I agree.

[Jeremy Tache]

Starting in 2000. Wonstad, Jim Bates, Nick Saban, Cam Cameron, Tony Sparano, Todd Bowles, Joe Philbin, Dan Campbell, Adam Gase, Brian Flores, Mike McDaniel.

[Chris Cote]

I do think that we're a bit unreasonable. If you're not impressed by what Mike Tomlin has done in Pittsburgh with an assortment of different pieces. Like it's not, it's not just getting to have Tom Brady the entire time. I mean, he had Roethlisberger, but it's not, it's not what Mahomes. I understand that Mahomes and Brady are the standard, but you're basically saying that Baltimore also hasn't done a lot of winning. Baltimore hasn't done a lot of winning of the championship, but represent one of the most stable franchises that I've seen across sports over the last 25 years.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, they won the super bowl at least like 10 years ago ago, right? It's not that long ago.

[Zaz]

I think both these franchises have new coaches next season.

[Mike Ryan]

I, I agree.

[Chris Cote]

You think that John Harbaugh is going to be out in Baltimore?

[Mike Ryan]

I think there's a better chance Harbaugh's out than Tomlin.

[Zaz]

I hear things.

[Dan Le Batard]

They'll both. It'll both be mutual though. Like neither of them will be fired. It'll be. They've parted ways.

[Chris Cote]

You guys think John. I have not. Tomlin, I've heard Hot Seat about. I have not heard it about Harbaugh. Remember, if he goes to the pros.

[Zaz]

Do you remember before Lamar Jackson had started?

[Chris Cote]

What do you mean if he goes to the pros?

[Greg Cody]

If he goes to another team. I meant, in other words, he's not going. I don't think he's going to college football. I think he's.

[Zaz]

People forget, like the Ravens and John. John Harbaugh did part ways. It was announced that they were going to separate at the end of the season. And then Lamar Jackson started playing really well. It was. Look it up. It was understood.

[Mike Ryan]

I believe you.

[Zaz]

Yeah, it was a great Cody move. John Harbaugh and the Ravens were gonna part ways and then Lamar Jackson caught lightning in a bottle and they decided, hey, you know what, we'll run it back.

[Chris Cote]

I believe that Mike Ryan was just fully ignoring you that you said in the pros and nobody understood what you meant. And then you doubled down with if he doesn't go to college, which I don't think anybody's talking about John Harbaugh takes a job in the pros and Mike just ignored you. He ignored you the way you would.

[Zaz]

There's a lot of Michigan people suggesting, hey, hire John Harbaugh.

[Greg Cody]

The point is if John Harbaugh leaves Baltimore, there's a million other, not a million.

[Mike Ryan]

He'll be for the NFL.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, there's plenty of other job for him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Same as Tomlin.

[Greg Cody]

Same as Tomlin. Right. Those guys, if they decide to take.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jobs in the NFL, could get them.

[Greg Cody]

But I will say this about Tomlin. Let's not overestimate him. In almost 20 years in Pittsburgh, he's won one Super Bowl. You got to win more than one if you're going to rise to that level of elite all time coach.

[Chris Cote]

He's never had a losing season in Pittsburgh.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I get that.

[Zaz]

Cower only got one, right?

[Tony Kaladiu]

Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

Okay. For my birthday, do you have a back in my day?

[Greg Cody]

No. Hell no.

[Zaz]

Wow, that was blunt.

[Mike Ryan]

More blunt than usual.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, he's become defiant with this. Well, he's like he's dug his flag into I can't do him anymore and he's just not gonna.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, I'm trying to. That's in a nice way give you the idea that maybe that bit has been retired. But yet every Tuesday you bring it up again. So it's getting a little frustrating.

[Zaz]

A lot of nerve wracking change around the show. It'd be really nice to have that nostalgia trip of back in my day. Nice little thread. Legacy thread.

[Greg Cody]

Legacy thread.

[Chris Cote]

It is Tuesday. You didn't say it was retired. You just kept saying, well, it's not Tuesday. It's not Tuesday.

[Greg Cody]

Now that's a Tuesday. Yeah, that's a joke that it isn't Tuesday thing. It might. It may make a comeback. You don't know. That's the beauty of life. You don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Zaz]

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[Chris Cote]

Military time. 20 to 11 is 20 to 11.

[Mike Ryan]

20 to 11.

[Chris Cote]

Oh, 2211. I thought you were saying. I didn't think you were saying 10 11. I didn't realize that military time could get complicated. I thought you were saying that it was 20 minutes to 11. You were saying, Mike.

[Zaz]

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[Chris Cote]

So you don't know 2211 is it? Is 10:11pm okay? Are you going to keep doing that though? Military time. I want to know if the audience is with me. On having heard. Everyone here had heard. Having my back, having my six. That's an expression all of you had heard before I was alone.

[Greg Cody]

No, I hadn't heard it.

[Chris Cote]

Where is the Heisman Trophy now? Is it, where does the ceremony, where does it take place now?

[Zaz]

Lincoln Plaza or something like that. It's a very impressive looking soundstage with that huge Heisman Trophy there. Like it looks great on top.

[Mike Ryan]

Is that Radio City?

[Zaz]

I know you guys haven't watched it in 20 years, but it looks really impressive lately.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Zaz]

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[Tony Kaladiu]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Tony Kaladiu]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don LeBatard what do I got here?

[Greg Cody]

I got a Magnum condom. We won't get that out.

[Chris Cote]

That's shocking.

[Zaz]

Stugats.

[Greg Cody]

Here's a picture of Christopher when he was like three years old.

[Chris Cote]

Right next to the condom.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

Never forget, this is the Dan Levatar.

[Mike Ryan]

Show with the stugats.

[Chris Cote]

Chris, can you get me the sound please from the Anthony Joshua Jake Paul press conference? Has Jake Paul been more respectful this time than he usually is in the talking and the sales on the way to the fight? Because this is by leaps and bounds. I mean, the There is a gulf of difference between everyone he's been fighting and the fight that he is now entering? Because Anthony Joshua is a legitimate heavyweight. He's at something close to his prime and they are talking up the fight to sell it. Because it's across the street this weekend. Correct. It's this weekend across the street here. And I'm surprised that this has gotten to the date where it is, they are indeed going to do this fight. It doesn't appear like there's going to be a cancellation. I'm really stunned that Jake Paul is fighting this human being because this is a legitimate heavyweight contender. Champion contender. Let me hear what the back and forth is here between Anthony Joshua and Jake Paul. I've just seen in fights when I can see someone's, let's call it energy, frequency leaving their body, and that's what my goal is, to do the same to.

[Tony Kaladiu]

You have that instinct.

[Chris Cote]

You can see it when you're fighting. You can just see a small glimmer.

[Zaz]

Of someone that's just about to start fading.

[Chris Cote]

And then you just keep exploiting that, keep exploiting that, keep exploiting until some people give up, some people get knocked.

[Zaz]

Out, will figure out.

[Chris Cote]

But as I said, for me, it's not just going in there and being dominating physically. I want to break him down spiritually and mentally. That's some deep boxing. You just broke down.

[Zaz]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Now, yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

It's funny because the pressure's on you. And like when I win the first round, in the second round, and I think it's going to be you that starts to crumble because all the pressure's on you. I'm fighting free the way there's no weight on my shoulder. I don't have to do anything. I don't have to prove anything. You have so much to prove. The whole boxing world's like, oh, here's two rounds, or AJ sucks. The pressure's on you, brother.

[Chris Cote]

You know what it is?

[Mike Ryan]

I'm free. Like, I, I already took over this whole game, did everything I want. I'm playing on house money. So I think it's going to be you that starts to be like, oh, one or one round, two round, three.

[Chris Cote]

Round, and then I live up to the expectation. That's not exactly Jake Paul trash talking.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, that's him kind of respecting him. And Jake Paul is right. But the part he's overlooking is how difficult it is to win those first and second rounds.

[Zaz]

He sounded like Pat Narduzzi before Notre Dame. I'm going to go ahead and lay some more on Anthony.

[Chris Cote]

I mean, how big a favorite is he? What is the, what are the betting odds on this fight? Because I, when I tell you that I'm legitimately stunned that all of this is happening, I just thought it was going to be circus, sideshow and novelty and freak fights the rest of the way. This started with him fighting Nate Robinson, didn't it? Isn't that where it started with him fighting a 5, 9 basketball player.

[Dan Le Batard]

According to DraftKings. Joshua minus 1200. Jake Paul plus 700.

[Chris Cote]

If he were to beat Anthony Joshua, I'd put it with the biggest upsets all time in sports. All time. I don't think that the people who have been following Jake Paul's career really have paid attention or know.

[Tony Kaladiu]

The.

[Chris Cote]

The mechanics of boxing, how lame all of his opponents have been compared to this opponent. I believe those numbers are too small. I believe even while saying that a heavyweight of any kind always has a puncher's chance, I believe those odds should be three and four times as large as they are. I don't understand. It must be people thinking that the thing is rigged. Like, because anyone who knows anything about boxing would tell you that this is not a fight that Jake Paul has any kind of chance of winning. That Jake PA comparatively as an amateur and is an amateur with far less punching power.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I think this is kind of what Ariel alluded to a couple weeks ago. Like, if Jake Paul competes, everyone's just going to think it's fixed, right? Like, can Jake Paul leave this fight? And people legitimately think it's legit.

[Mike Ryan]

I really don't understand the fixing accusations.

[Greg Cody]

Of just not boxing. It's not. People go to prison.

[Dan Le Batard]

But people said that, like with Mike Tyson, that Mike Tyson fight, like, he could have knocked him out, but he chose not to.

[Mike Ryan]

People would go to prison. So everyone, they're just making a pact where our.

[Jeremy Tache]

Shh.

[Mike Ryan]

We say anything, it'll be our secret.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm with you. It's. They probably aren't doing that, but a lot of the Internet thinks if Jake Paul does anything but get knocked out here, the Internet narrative is going to be the fixes in.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think anyone's risking going to federal prison.

[Chris Cote]

When you watch the Conor McGregor Floyd Mayweather fight, it's one of the biggest pay per views that there's been in boxing over the last 25 years. Could you tell that Mayweather was carrying McGregor around? You will know whether or not any of this is legitimate or whether there have been whispered agreement in the first couple of rounds. If Joshua's afraid of him, if he's not charging, if he's not throwing punches because he's so much bigger, stronger, and has such an incredible reach advantage over Jake Paul.

[Mike Ryan]

There's a difference, though, between Floyd Mayweather deciding, okay, I'm gonna carry Conor McGregor and people getting together before a fight and deciding the way shit's gonna go down.

[Chris Cote]

Okay, but we had One of the biggest pay per views ever was a sham because Mayweather was indeed carrying McGregor around was just. He's a defensive fighter. This is different. Right, Because Joshua's a. Joshua is an attacker. Joshua can also have a reach advantage over everyone he's fighting against and. And keep them at bay. But there will be no. There will be no absence of punches thrown by Joshua unless there's an agreement.

[Zaz]

You're also acting like there's just two bets to make in a boxing match. Several different ways to rig it.

[Dan Le Batard]

We have total rounds. Over two and a half is minus 135. Under two and a half plus 100. I don't hate under little plus juice.

[Chris Cote]

People will be tuning in to watch him be knocked out, right?

[Greg Cody]

Yes, I hope so.

[Chris Cote]

That is. But that's that Floyd Mayweather made great money for a very long time and is one of the great marketers of all time because people would tune in to watch him get knocked out and then nobody knocked him out. Like the way that he fought might have been aesthetically boring to some of you, but it is the point of fighting. Don't get hit and don't get hit. And that, that is what Floyd Mayweather mastered. He mastered the not getting hit part.

[Greg Cody]

Well. Jake Paul has mastered the idea of developing this unlikable Persona. At least that's the way I interpret it. And so I, I would pay big pay per view money to watch Jake Paul get his. Come on, big money. What's a pay per view now?

[Dan Le Batard]

Say that.

[Mike Ryan]

90 bucks.

[Dan Le Batard]

Say that. While I guarantee you won't watch it.

[Greg Cody]

I might, I might. When is it?

[Dan Le Batard]

Friday.

[Greg Cody]

I'm there.

[Chris Cote]

I hear chicken.

[Greg Cody]

No, I'm not.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let's get him. We'll get you a credential. Should we get him?

[Greg Cody]

A cred was literally there.

[Chris Cote]

You get lost on the way to the studio. You know, Bring some time. You can't be a chicken if everyone else is a chicken. That's not the way any of that works.

[Greg Cody]

I love being a chicken. No, in this, in my view, everybody hates Jake Paul and wants him to lose.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm rooting for him. No, I'm.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I wouldn't mind seeing the upset. I don't hate Jake Paul. I don't like him. But I. I wouldn't say maybe.

[Greg Cody]

I'm alone. I'm alone on a lot of things currently.

[Dan Le Batard]

Name them.

[Greg Cody]

You're lonely, Tua. And this.

[Chris Cote]

Where is Tony setting up for his. Tony's top five. Do we know the whereabouts of Tony? I want to get to some sound here. That we have of Josh Hart before we go to Tony of Josh Hart and a reporter teaming up on Jalen Brunson. The Knicks play for their, their first championship here tonight against the Spurs. I mean, I mean got it right when he said that OKC would not win the in season tournament. You've got San Antonio playing the Knicks and I believe over the last 25 years or so the Knicks have over celebrated winning a single game in the playoffs, winning a single round in the playoffs. This will be a point of pride for the New York Knicks to be able to beat San Antonio.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is a funny clip from a press conference a couple days ago. This is a reporter asking Josh Hart about how unathletic and short Jalen Brunson is. Right in front of Jalen Brunson.

[Chris Cote]

Ask you this because I think you would answer honestly when you factor in his, his height and not the most athletic. Jesus, you've said it.

[Mike Ryan]

You've said you've said it.

[Chris Cote]

You didn't have to say it though. How many guys in the NBA do you think score the basketball better than he does? Probably not many.

[Zaz]

You know, he's barely six foot guard.

[Chris Cote]

This is your fault. Not physically impressive, not athletic, but he's able to manipulate, you know, defense obviously big head. So he has a big brain. He's able to, you know, figure out those angles and find themselves in positions to be successful. So you know, inch for inch I.

[Zaz]

Think is probably the best, best one.

[Chris Cote]

Those are legitimate friends. And you could see in the clip at the end that they're both holding their faces hidden behind their hands to keep from laughing because Jalen Brunson the entire time sat there. You could on his face. I'm sitting right here. You're talking about me as if I'm not right here. I'm sitting right next to you.

[Tony Kaladiu]

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[Greg Cody]

To do this with us?

[Tony Kaladiu]

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[Chris Cote]

Don Lebatard is there. Back in My Day.

[Greg Cody]

There is, actually.

[Chris Cote]

What?

[Zaz]

Were you not going to tell anyone? Wait a minute, you guys. Guys, it's a Tuesday. Stugats.

[Chris Cote]

Here's your guy, Greg Cody with Back in My Day.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, here it is. Sorry. Adultery.

[Zaz]

Waiting for this one.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Chris Cote]

The Knicks have their most beloved team since when? Because they didn't. They didn't love the Carmelo Anthony teams like this. This is a team. The number of people I've heard say, with Knicks fandom, that they don't want to trade for Giannis because they've fallen in love with the team, and they want. They want this team to win the championship when this team can't win the championship.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I think probably the last team that went to the finals in 90, you know, Sprewell, Marcus Camby, Larry Johnson, they definitely love.

[Chris Cote]

But wait a minute. Okay, look. Look at what you said. Look at the names you just said. They may have loved that team. Nobody else loved that team. Latrell Sprewell and Larry Johnson. This team, a lot of people love because their best player is also the smallest player on the court every time he steps out there.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah, they have a really lovable group. I mean, Zaz, you're talking about a time before the Dolphins won their last playoff game. That's how far back you have to go for a lovable Knicks team. But, Dan, I think you're right. Like those Knicks fans. Management should follow them. They should not offer anything for Giannis. Definitely make it good.

[Chris Cote]

That's Chris just cutting you off. Jeremy. He didn't want to listen anymore.

[Zaz]

You could have played.

[Jeremy Tache]

Stop talking.

[Dan Le Batard]

I thought he was wrapping up.

[Jeremy Tache]

You always think I'm.

[Dan Le Batard]

I didn't mean that one. Mean, honestly, usually this time.

[Chris Cote]

Where is Tony? Where can we find Tony? I need video of Tony. Somebody show me video, please, of Tony so I'm not just. Just listening to him. Oh, look at that. Oh, my God, the country at large is so jealous. Look at that. It's winter in South Florida. Tony's on the water, and it's 74 degrees, not a green screen. That is a real green, lovely water. I'm assuming there's not a sewage alert like there usually is around this time.

[Tony Kaladiu]

No sewage alert, Dano. The water I would actually characterize as emerald. I wouldn't say green. I would say emerald. A beautiful emerald water. We've got, obviously, the causeway going over here. We're actually on the bridge that goes to the port where you leave for the cruises, we've got Bayside and the pier over here with boats and stuff. So, yeah, this is not a green screen. This is the real deal. And if you want me to be really honest, guys, and this is just between me and you, and maybe you guys feel it too. It's kind of cold here in Miami today. It may be like 69, 70, 71, but there is a breeze. So I am a little bit cold because I can feel it. So I don't know if you guys feel it from over there, but I feel a little cold here.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, it's just like in Chicago off of. Off of the lake there where it's minus 20 degrees. Yeah, just like that. Do you have any Olis on your NFL weekend observation?

[Dan Le Batard]

First, Dan, let me jump in and tell you. Tony's top five is presented by Smirnoff, the official vodka sponsor of the National Football League. Smirnoff. Please drink responsibly. The Smirnoff Company, New York, New York. Vodka. 40% alcohol by volume.

[Chris Cote]

Let's go, Tony. What do you got?

[Tony Kaladiu]

Couple Olis will start first. 49ers.

[Dan Le Batard]

Frisky.

[Chris Cote]

Question mark, 49ers, anybody?

[Tony Kaladiu]

Can I sell you on the 49ers?

[Chris Cote]

Please, somebody. Aren't they always frisky? Nobody's talking about the 49ers. Nobody.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Nobody's talking about them. Just keep an eye on them. All right. Another Oli here. Have you seen Trey McBride's stats this season without Kyler Murray? Yeah, on Sunday he had 12 catches for 134 yards and two touchdowns, giving him 105 catches for the season, 1071 yards and 10 touchdowns. He's the first tight end in NFL history with 100 plus catches, a thousand plus yards, and 10 plus touchdowns through 14 games. How many games has Kyler Murray played this year? Not that many. I'm just gonna keep it real. All right. And just gonna leave this one here. Duval county, stand up, 10 and 4. The Jags are alive, cats. Baby.

[Chris Cote]

Was that number five or was that an Oli?

[Tony Kaladiu]

No, that's number five. That's number five. Duval county, stand up, 10 and 4. Keep an eye on them, baby. We are rolling. 904. Stand up, number 4. The bill said. Not so fast, my friend. The pit. The pat stop. They had it in the bag, okay? They thought it was over. Then the unicorn. What do you call them, Dan? A unicorn? A centaur of some sort. What is Josh Allen? What do you call him?

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, he's a centaur. He's got. He's got the body of a centaur of a horse and the upper body of Josh Allen.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Right, exactly. So he said, not so fast, my friends. We'll keep the division over on this side in western New York. Number three. I want you guys to put a pin in this matchup for a potential Super Bowl. Rams. Broncos. Just put, put a little pin in that. We'll go to it later on the season. I like those two teams to come out of their respective conferences. Put a pin in that.

[Chris Cote]

Is that a good Super Bowl? Do you guys want to see the Broncos in the Super Bowl? Does anybody want to see Bo Nix in the Super Bowl?

[Zaz]

You hate on Bo Nix. I mean, he played with really well against the Packers. A lot of touchdowns. They're beating good teams. I understand why, because he's looked really bad at times. But you are not high on them.

[Chris Cote]

I asked you a question though. Do you guys want to see Denver in the Super Bowl?

[Zaz]

No, I want to see the Bills. Yeah, it's the only team.

[Greg Cody]

I want to see the centaur, Josh Allen.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'd rather see the Chargers.

[Greg Cody]

Half horse, half man.

[Jeremy Tache]

If the Broncos win out, Bonix will have the most wins for a quarterback through their first two seasons ever.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Ever.

[Jeremy Tache]

He's presently tied with Big Ben, Andrew Luck and Dak.

[Chris Cote]

I saw Sam Darnold win 14 games for Minnesota.

[Jeremy Tache]

He's gonna win a lot of games for Seattle too. And you like them to potentially go to the Super Bowl.

[Chris Cote]

Go ahead, Tone.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Number two, Philip Rivers turning back the clock on his five year NFL healthcare benefits. Turning back the clock would have been 300 yards and a couple scores. This is turning back the clock on his five year NFL health care benefits.

[Chris Cote]

Got a lot of kids.

[Tony Kaladiu]

We're on to you for a little bit.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. Number one.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Number one, Dan. In the biggest news of the NFL weekend and basically the NFL season, Patrick Mahomes tears his acl. All right, Dylan Raiola. I'm sorry, buddy. You know what you got to do. That's the brakes, buddy.

[Chris Cote]

What is he gonna want to be?

[Tony Kaladiu]

He's gotta cosplay as Patrick Mahomes. You gotta tear your acl. Nothing I can do about it. You gotta do it.

[Chris Cote]

Sorry, Tony. Thank you. It looks lovely out there. I'm sure that everyone that's watching this outside of Florida is jealous of what it is that you have surrounding you there. Thank you, sir.

[Tony Kaladiu]

Gotta put on a hoodie out here.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. Little nippy.

[Mike Ryan]

Nipply.

[Chris Cote]

We didn't talk at all about the Micah Parsons injury yesterday because it was the second of the most important Injuries that happened over the weekend, obviously all things Mahomes engulf everything there. But the packers are super fraughty this year. Like, they seem like they're close, but they don't have the skill, position, help that Jordan Love needs. And Micah Parsons was a piece that was brought in in order to win them the championship this year. It was a piece away. And they are not the same defense, same team or same pass rush, obviously. I guess. I guess it's an obvious thing to say because I felt like you were laughing that Tony's top five has a lot of obvious stuff in it. That's kind of the bit. But Micah Parsons. It goes without saying. Micah Parsons is obviously important to their pass rush, but numerically and empirically, they become a very pedestrian pass rush when it's not him doing the pass rush.

[Greg Cody]

Absolutely. And everybody's talking about New England, Buffalo. But for me, Green Bay and Denver was the sneaky game of the week because those are two teams that a lot is expected from. But they both have question marks and Denver winning that game was indicative of that. Without Micah Parsons, their defense is not ordinary, but much less good. And I don't think Green Bay is a team you think about anymore for the, for the Super Bowl.

[Mike Ryan]

I feel like Detroit is so much better than Green Bay.

[Greg Cody]

I think so.

[Mike Ryan]

They're two games behind them. Like they're really long shot to catch him. I feel like they're so much better than the backers.

[Chris Cote]

They've been really hurt though. Their secondary, Detroit secondary can be scored on because of how hurt they are in the secondary. I find some of the analysis around football a bit frustrating for a couple of reasons. One, the schedule is not often taken into account when doing measurements on how good or how bad someone is. But also, whatever your assessments were in week four are rendered moot by week 13 just because there are so many people who are damaged. Like, it's just. It's. It's damn near impossible for anybody to go through a season and be healthy. And when you look at what happened to the Detroit Lions in some of their games this year where they play poorly, they're really beat up. Like their offensive line and their secondaries are hurt in a way that they're playing random people out there, people who. Who shouldn't be on a football field.

[Zaz]

As someone that just likes watching the NFL don't have a team, I was so looking forward to the NFC playoffs in particular. Micah Parsons is super fun to watch. I love the way that Green Bay uses him. He's moved all across the line, he was an all in move and it was an all in move that was paying dividends. You looked at Green Bay, it was Toyota Thon. And you had their guys coming back, Jade Reed and Christian Watson. They were starting to look a certain way. And that kind of. It feels like it nukes their championship odds and makes some of those games a little less interesting.

[Chris Cote]

Okay, you saw the game last night. Okay. You saw what limited quarterbacks were doing in terms of accentuating tight ends. Aaron Rodgers was throwing to three of them. You just mentioned Trey McBride as well. The best help that Jordan Love had was Tucker Craft. That was. And after that it would have been Josh Jacobs.

[Zaz]

When these people like ascending, but their two top targets were injured, Watson and Reed.

[Chris Cote]

When these people end up getting hurt and Watson wasn't that. Watson's coming back, but Watson's like a third receiver. You can't.

[Zaz]

Watson came back, looked great from that knee injury, avoided a major injury. I know he went down, but he seems to be good to go this week.

[Chris Cote]

You can't keep having these kinds of people injured. When Greg Cody corrected himself and said they're not an ordinary defense without Micah Parsons. Yeah, they are. They're an ordinary defense that no one actually fears because they can't get the pass rush with Mike without Micah Parsons that they can with Micah Parsons. They traded for him as a last piece on we're going to win the super bowl. And what can you do about Jacobs and Tucker Kraft being out? It's going to limit your offense in a way that makes you lose to Carolina and Cleveland because. Because you've got a great quarterback. We know that that's a great quarterback. But you can't keep. You can't keep having guys hurt that and not see the quarterback play slip.

[Greg Cody]

I would argue that even without Micah Parsons, Green Bay is a better defense than, for example, Detroit. That's all.

[Chris Cote]

I mean, healthy Detroit. Like, I maybe I just know that when we were early in the season and everyone was healthy, Detroit's the only team I've seen that could combat what Philadelphia was doing on the line of scrimmage, both offensive line and defensive line.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, I know it looks like Kansas City is. Kansas City's missing the playoffs. Baltimore might miss the playoffs. To me, the one team. It's going to be annoying that would miss the playoffs that I would have wanted to see is Detroit.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, that's.

[Mike Ryan]

That that's the most interesting team to me, each of these seeds. I like Detroit being in the playoffs.

[Zaz]

I get the storyline.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Like their Story I.

[Zaz]

You didn't want to see Mahomes try to do it on the road.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I don't care.

[Zaz]

No, it's like it's an unfulfilling way for that whole thing to end. I'd like to have seen Josh Allen try to smite them. I'd like to see a team take them out, a division team. And this is not satisfying when I.

[Chris Cote]

Give you guys these numbers. Heading into week 15, 320 players have suffered injuries severe enough to cost them multiple games. That means that the average football team. You guys tell me as I put this in front of you, okay, what your assessments would be. Week 4 versus Week 14. The average football team. Team is losing 10 players, 10 players to severe injuries. That's just your average football team. If I had to guess, Detroit's got more of that. Because the drop off from Detroit, you could say, if you want to say it's Ben Johnson, I won't argue with you that much. But their secondary is ravaged. It's a. They've got a bunch of people out there playing when they're on their third or fourth guy in the secondary and you're like, that's not a person who should be on an NFL field.

[Zaz]

Not just that. The drop off with laporta and Ross Dwelly is cavernous.

[Chris Cote]

What do you guys do with the analysis? Not mattering at all. When you're making the analysis. Assuming a team is healthy and then it's unhealthy, and we're not factoring in the unhealthy on Dan Campbell. What we're doing is, oh, look at Ben Johnson. Chicago's winning because they got 29 takeaways. They've got 29 takeaways, which I will continue to say is not recreatable. And the reason I say it's not recreatable. Go look at what Denver did last year with turnovers, how good they were at turnovers and how bad they are this year. Even though they've got pass rush, they've got the best pass rush in the league. And they're still. They're not good somehow at turnovers this year as they were last year.

[Jeremy Tache]

But they're better. Like their defense is better even without forcing those turnovers because they can stifle an offense in a way that they don't need those turnovers. They can win the turnover battle because Bo Nix is not turning over the ball. He's in terms of yards per attempt. I mean, not near the, the, the top echelon in terms of starters. He's only at six and a half yards per attempt. But that's because Sean Payton has designed this offense to prevent turnovers because their defense can get after the quarterback in a way that's insane. Next Gen Stats had it. Broncos pressure Jordan Love on 52.2% of his drop backs in Week 15, the highest pressure rate he's ever faced in any game of his career. They have a 40.5 pressure rate this season.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's crazy.

[Zaz]

That's historically, I understand why people doubt Bo Nix. I've seen it. There are games like the Raider game where you're like, does this guy suck? But then you look at what he's done over the last two years and that would be somebody that we'd literally be catching our breath in terms of what an incredible start to a career. If you look at his numbers outside of yards per attempt, which isn't that far off by the way. He's got Mahomes numbers and yet everyone is doubting this guy.

[Greg Cody]

I think part of that though is what Jeremy said. The defense is so good. If you told me it was going to be a Denver, Seattle Super Bowl, TV might hate that. America might hate that. It would be a great super bowl because those two defenses are elite. A lot of great defense in the NFL this season which, which never gets enough attention because it's all about the quarterback.

[Dan Le Batard]

But.

[Greg Cody]

But great. Can you imagine a Denver Seattle?

[Chris Cote]

I don't want. I don't want to imagine.

[Greg Cody]

I do. I think it would be a great Super Bowl.

[Jeremy Tache]

Going to be a great challenge to those defensive backs in Seattle because even with that yards per attempt being low, most touchdowns on 20 plus yard throws since 2024, it's Bo Nicks with 18 of them. I don't know why we're not complimenting this guy more.

[Zaz]

He's a winner.

[Chris Cote]

He could throw the ball. He could run.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's all the things Dan says.

[Jeremy Tache]

Drake May is awesome.

[Dan Le Batard]

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