Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy? (feat. Ron Magill)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – "Hour 1: Who The F* Is Willy?" (March 25, 2025)**

From the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz lead a lively discussion packed with sports insights, pop culture commentary, and engaging banter. This particular episode features a special guest appearance by Ron Magill and delves into topics ranging from controversial musicals to behind-the-scenes dynamics of the show.

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1. Introduction and Initial Discussions (01:18 - 03:50)

Attending the Michael Jackson Musical

The episode kicks off with Zaslow and Stugotz sharing their recent experience attending a Michael Jackson musical. Zaslow expresses mixed feelings about the production, particularly concerning the handling of allegations against Jackson.

• Zaslow (01:18): "The music is so enduring, so enduring that somehow posthumously he cannot be canceled by allegations that would obviously get anyone else canceled."

Debate on Documentary Impact

The conversation shifts to the influence of filmmakers like Ezra Edelman, known for his Oscar-winning documentaries such as OJ: Made in America. The hosts speculate about an unreleased Prince documentary and its potential to impact the artist's legacy.

• Zaslow (03:03): "Ezra Edelman, a perfectionist of the highest order who makes only the best things… But we'll never see it. No one will ever see it because the Prince estate will be able to protect it."

2. Show Dynamics and Internal Humor (03:50 - 15:57)

Addressing Internal Show Issues

The hosts humorously discuss internal show frustrations, particularly targeting Mike Ryan's habit of playing loud music in the morning, which disrupts the pre-show meetings.

• Dan Le Batard (12:35): "Mike comes in in the morning and he plays music on his Bluetooth speaker and he walks around with it, but at a volume that is, like, difficult to…"

Proposal for "Wild Willie Wednesdays"

Zaslow suggests creating a segment where they openly discuss internal grievances humorously, dubbing it "Wild Willie Wednesdays." This idea is met with playful resistance and further banter among the hosts.

• Zaslow (13:23): "Is the fight won by the first genital biter? Because I do believe that you guys have got that right. Like that's. The fight is over."

3. Special Guest: Ron Magill and Lyme Disease Discussion (15:57 - 23:25)

Introduction of Ron Magill

Ron Magill joins the show via LinkedIn, bringing his expertise to discuss Lyme disease and its impact on both humans and animals.

• Dan Le Batard (16:36): "Ron, animals can get vaccinated for Lyme disease, right? But there's no human vaccine for it. Is that correct?"

Understanding Lyme Disease Transmission

Ron provides detailed insights into how Lyme disease is transmitted, emphasizing the importance of careful removal of ticks to prevent infection.

• Jeremy Tache (23:08): "You don't realize until you're in the shower and you start rubbing around. You think, oh, my God, what's growing here… And then you have to realize you have to be very careful to get them off because you can't pull them off."

4. Animal Intelligence and Wildlife Stories (23:25 - 37:02)

Dolphins vs. Octopuses: Which is Smarter?

The hosts engage in a spirited debate about animal intelligence, particularly comparing dolphins and octopuses. Jeremy Tache defends dolphins' cognitive abilities while acknowledging the octopus's problem-solving skills.

• Jeremy Tache (26:02): "They can find their way to get it out of the… they can escape almost anything. They are very, very opportunistic. They're very resourceful as far as solving puzzles and thinking the way a dolphin does."

Harrowing Wildlife Encounters

Ron shares intense experiences from his career, including a terrifying encounter with a chimpanzee that nearly attacked him and a dangerous incident involving a king cobra at the Miami Serpentarium.

• Jeremy Tache (28:30): "A king cobra just goes right up in front of my face. And I just backed up, closed the door. And I went, 'Mr. Haas, I think there's one out.'… I froze. I panicked and just froze."

Ethics of Zoos and Animal Conservation

Ron reflects on the evolution of zoos from his early experiences at Crandon Park Zoo, highlighting the shift towards more humane and conservation-focused practices.

• Jeremy Tache (33:37): "In a perfect world, we wouldn't need any zoos. Everyone would be able to go out to Africa, see the animals in their natural environment… But in a perfect world, we wouldn't, we wouldn't need any zoos."

5. Listener Interaction and Boldest Takes (37:02 - 40:49)

Listener Submissions: Boldest Takes from the Weekend

The show features listener-submitted bold takes, presented humorously and critiqued by the hosts. Examples include remarks about the Los Angeles Angels and opinions on sports figures like Joe Burrow.

• Stugotz (39:27): "Everyone thinks he'll be back and he'll never get back."
• Stugotz (39:54): "With a limited fake Mufasa Simba…"

6. Closing Remarks and Final Banter (40:49 - End)

Wrapping Up with Humor

The episode concludes with light-hearted jokes and playful interactions among the hosts, maintaining the show's signature comedic tone.

• Stugotz (40:45): "If Mr. Boost Mobile himself asked me to. There is nothing funny about it."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Zaslow (01:31): "The music is so enduring, so enduring that somehow posthumously he cannot be canceled by allegations..."

• Jeremy Tache (23:08): "You don't realize until you're in the shower and you start rubbing around. You think, oh, my God, what's growing here…"

• Jeremy Tache (28:30): "A king cobra just goes right up in front of my face. And I just backed up, closed the door."

• Dan Le Batard (12:35): "Mike comes in in the morning and he plays music on his Bluetooth speaker…"

• Stugotz (39:54): "With a limited fake Mufasa Simba…"

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Conclusion

In "Hour 1: Who The F*** Is Willy?", Dan Le Batard and Stugotz offer a blend of personal anecdotes, expert insights from Ron Magill, and humorous exchanges that highlight both serious topics and the camaraderie among the hosts. From discussing the complexities of animal intelligence to navigating internal show dynamics, this episode provides listeners with a comprehensive and entertaining experience.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Jeremy Tache]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Zaslow]

Zaslo and I, lest you say that we are uncultured heathens, recently went to a musical not together. I don't know why I was so quickly defensive about that.

[Stugotz]

God forbid, I'd love to go to a musical with you guys.

[Zaslow]

You have to understand, the reason I said that is because he dressed like this. Oh, what's wrong with this for a musical?

[Mike Ryan]

Was it a Heat musical?

[Zaslow]

It was a Michael Jackson musical.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, boy. What'd they talk about?

[Zaslow]

It was a. Well, to me you say that, and that's one of the things that I found amazing about the entirety of the experience, because it was simply amazing. But the idea that music and talent, that one of a kind, never to be duplicated, would make it so that an auditorium would fill with people because the music was so good. Sort of ignoring that, probably. Yeah. Pedophilia was likely something that was. That he was doing in a way that has been documented in documentary form, even though a lot of people don't believe it.

[Stugotz]

What do you mean ignoring it? Several. All throughout the show, they were saying, can you believe what they're saying about me in the media? They didn't ignore it.

[Mike Ryan]

So they, like, mocked it?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, but look, also, that could mean anything. Like people are making fun of his appearance. There's a lot of things people were talking about in the media about.

[Mike Ryan]

It kind of sounds like a pro pedophilia musical you went to.

[Zaslow]

Okay, that is a way to frame it.

[Stugotz]

Billy, why do you Want to be starting something.

[Mike Ryan]

Beat it, Jeremy.

[Zaslow]

The music is so enduring, so enduring that somehow Posthumously he cannot be canceled by allegations that would obviously get anyone else canceled. I don't know. Some of you should look into a Prince documentary that Netflix will not allow to air and that the Prince estate will not allow to air. That would be the greatest of documentaries that I'm guessing Posthumously would do things to Prince's reputation that would make it harder to separate the art from the artist than Al Duncan just did with Malkin and I and Zaslow did at a musical. Together, but not together.

[Stugotz]

So how do we do this? I know Pablo's one of the only.

[Jeremy Tache]

People on the planet that's seen this.

[Stugotz]

Masterpiece of a documentary with the guy that made OJ Made in America.

[Zaslow]

Ezra Edelman.

[Jeremy Tache]

Ezra Edelman.

[Zaslow]

Don't say. What's his name?

[Jeremy Tache]

No, I didn't remember what his name was.

[Zaslow]

No, I didn't.

[Jeremy Tache]

Respect for him. He won an Oscar. Respect.

[Ron McGill]

Respect.

[Zaslow]

Okay. Win another one.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, he's been a while.

[Zaslow]

Well, he would have with this. Look, man, I. Oh my God, listen to this story, okay? Because this one crushes me. Just crushes me for Ezra Edelman, a perfectionist of the highest order who makes only the best things. Guy makes the OJ Documentary and it can't even be done again. Netflix tried recently. It's embarrassing. No reason to watch it.

[Stugotz]

I saw it.

[Zaslow]

I was like, man, no. It's been done so well. It cannot and will not ever be done again. Better in a way that masterpieces are. He had so many options right after that. So many options. Anything you want to do, like Clint Eastwood will take your seconds. You can do anything. But there's the pressure. I gotta make something better than that. And he did. Like he made something. And we'll never see it. And we'll never see it. No one will ever see it because the Princess State will be able to protect it. And imagine pouring yourself. Cuz he works dark, man, he works alone. And he is a genius. He is brilliant. He makes the perfect documentary. And his next one was going to be better. He was going to meet impossible expectations and exceed his own, which are impossible. Cuz the Prince documentary was going to be better than the OJ Documentary and no one's ever going to see it. Can you imagine how that would feel? To dedicate your life years to one thing?

[Mike Ryan]

It's perfect for him. Because no one can come out and say, wow, this was a flop. Like this didn't live up to expectations. It's just like, wow, this is Even better than the last one. But I can't show you. Just take my word for it and I'll show my friend Pablo and he won't say it back to me.

[Ron McGill]

So.

[Stugotz]

So here's the thing.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's make movies someone watches. He should have made a Marvel movie, made a ton of money. Everyone would have watched his movie, had all these options. Make a comic book movie, Ezra. That's the move.

[Stugotz]

How do we get Pablo in a state of.

[Jeremy Tache]

I don't know what to tell us.

[Stugotz]

What's in kind of the Cliff Notes of the documentary? Like drugging Pablo, but like a nice.

[Jeremy Tache]

Way, like truth serum kind of thing.

[Stugotz]

Well, what, is he not allowed to sign an NDA?

[Jeremy Tache]

I don't know.

[Stugotz]

Why can't he describe what he saw?

[Zaslow]

The print estate is very litigious. There are this to me. Look, man, I'm super curious whether people are noticing just in general what's happening with corporate greed and what's happening to the content when documentaries that are alleged. A place of truth in a time where you can't trust anything to be the truth. The best documentaries, we know when they're great and it's when they're societally large and tell you the truth, but they can be distorted and formed into anything with a good filmmaker. And the corporations right now are running scared of everything happening in America. And the way that they can crush someone like Ezra Edelman, who makes great things, is the way a lot of great things are going to get crushed under the weight of trying to tell the truth. It's embarrassing. Like what's happening in the media industry right now and in this particular content industry because the whole thing is shaking with. With the same people buying the things they want to make with others, with access to others. That might not be the true story that you get on Tiger woods on Max, even though he doesn't participate, which is hard to make. And now all of us, an athlete who spent his entire life in front of us, he marries and professes his love for Donald Trump Jr. S ex. And we don't know anything about that dude that resembles the truth because he's been in the machine of marketing for so many years. And even if it had breakdowns, we still don't know what that dude's politics are on anything. One of. One of the best athletes of our time. What do we.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, he was in the White House like a month ago.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I think we know something.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like some sort of award from Donald Trump.

[Zaslow]

But. But why, like, you can't get anything from him to explain what it is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, he asked for our privacy in his last post.

[Stugotz]

Am I ignorant in not knowing this? The scandal surrounding the Prince documentary. Like we all know the Michael Jackson stuff without actually watching a documentary. But not ignorant and not knowing.

[Zaslow]

Not everyone agrees there have been very good documentaries. This is another litigious place that's very difficult to tell the truth, which is where it is that some kids can get abused because of how difficult it is to go against these machines. A documentary has been made that I have seen that is extraordinary and that I believe to be the truth about Michael Jackson's accusers. But that auditorium was filled in 2025 with people recreating. Beautifully packed and degree of difficulty. Like, there's never been a talent like that. That song, that dance, that creative, like that many hits that will never exist again. Pitbull, 20 years after his death, is still filling an auditorium with a whole bunch of people who aren't making moral choices there. They just want to hear his music.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, like, I'm watching. I'm watching the show the other night. We're there and. And I'm like, it bothers me that there is a young audience, maybe the age of some of you guys there in the shipping container who may not understand how ridiculous this guy was. And even amidst all of the allegations. Yeah, it. You don't know. You almost don't know how to feel while I'm sitting in there enjoying it and, like, really loving this recreation of his music. And then there's the other part where it's like, all right, is it okay that I'm enjoying this this much? Would you say it was a thriller?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can we play Marlin or Panther?

[Zaslow]

Ooh, I don't want to play that.

[Mike Ryan]

Dan.

[Stugotz]

You'll do so well.

[Zaslow]

You guys can play it. I look forward. You tell me when you're going to play it. And I would like to watch it from afar and see how you.

[Jeremy Tache]

24 minutes. Can you give us 24 minutes? No.

[Zaslow]

Weird of you. Well, but you say I'm the coward, but I so badly stand in the corner and watch.

[Stugotz]

I'll do it. I'll do it.

[Mike Ryan]

He's afraid. He doesn't know Panthers or I don't know the Panthers.

[Billy Gill]

Oh, you're.

[Stugotz]

I know the Marlins.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're scared.

[Stugotz]

That's why I'm no longer paid to know the Panthers. He doesn't know Marlin. Churn Brooke. He doesn't know Marlins.

[Zaslow]

All right, so Seth Jones. I don't know the Marlins. I could. I can name a Marlin who? Sandy?

[Mike Ryan]

You know, we haven't been talking about it. Big return day today obviously for Jimmy Butler who's coming town first game against.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we haven't talked about that yet.

[Mike Ryan]

Talked about the fact that Jazz Chisholm is also coming back today to face the Marlins spring training game. However, return game. How do you think that's going to be received? Standing ovation. Video package bigger or smaller story than the Jimmy Butler return? What are you saying?

[Dan Le Batard]

Will he be returning to play against AJ Greer or Calvin Faucher?

[Stugotz]

Foshe.

[Zaslow]

So when they call me a coward, Zaz didn't it feel to you in the last segment that there was cowardice involved? But it was not mine. It felt like Tony and Jessica and Jeremy and Billy were going to have have a good, good argument live on television that would have been rich and resplendent for content. And I'm the coward.

[Mike Ryan]

In fairness, Tony stayed and you got up and left.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, that's true.

[Mike Ryan]

You didn't want to play on Marlin.

[Zaslow]

Versus Peter, but I don't want. I wanted to play the other game. Conor Gillespie, can we play the other game? Can we play the way that Tony sank the show with his multi shot that no one understands.

[Stugotz]

Evan Rodriguez. That's a tricky one, Dan.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, while you were gone, we watched the Kim Mulkey dap and I feel like all of the confusion was settled.

[Stugotz]

We united.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Incredible depth. The back row is united now.

[Zaslow]

How is the confusion settled when the interview got wrecked because Tony needed help and nobody gave.

[Dan Le Batard]

You would know if you didn't get up and leave.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. But united we stand.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah, United we stand on business.

[Mike Ryan]

Usa.

[Zaslow]

The multi. The multi one who is the most conflicting now because we've had this live, we've had this happen in the history of the show. I'm stunned to say this, that while in our lifetime, Mike Ryan made the grandstanding play of quitting his lifetime team, the Cleveland Browns, because he could no longer celebrate the he was lurking in.

[Mike Ryan]

The shadows the next season when they were flirting with the playoffs. All of a sudden it was kind of like, well, what happened with that stand again?

[Zaslow]

Okay, regardless, he made a moral stand virtue signaling and actually gave up his fandom and got accused of all sorts of things. But I felt like he left the team behind. When we talk about Mulkey or Michael Jackson, I genuinely ask you guys, where is the line?

[Jeremy Tache]

Like it's.

[Dan Le Batard]

I thought l already sort of answered this. Well, I will also mention we came together. I don't want to. I don't want to Take the opportunity to just like, dump on Mike Ryan because he's not here. That's not what I'm trying to do on. But the four of us did come together in the last segment off air and realize we all are really annoyed by something that Mike does every day that he hasn't been around to do, which is he carries around. When you were saying, you know, the person that plays their Bluetooth speaker out loud without headphones. Mike comes in in the morning and he plays music on his Bluetooth speaker and he walks around with it, but at a volume that is, like, difficult to.

[Stugotz]

It's an office wide volume.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's very loud. And it's like the first thing in the morning, so nobody's listening. Walk into the makeup room and it's like, I can't really talk to Jesse. Like, it's really loud. And then he'll leave. He'll leave the speaker in there sometimes and walk out. And then I'll get up and I'll lower the volume because I'm like, this.

[Mike Ryan]

Is my contourings all off. Because Jesse hasn't heard I've requested.

[Dan Le Batard]

He'll come and bring it in here while we do our pre show meeting. And I. We all discovered in the last segment something we've never talked about before. None of us really like that.

[Stugotz]

Okay. But again, cowardice. Like, have you. Have you said this to him? Well, we just did.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I passive aggressively lowered the volume, but that's. He's listening, not interested in confronting.

[Zaslow]

Oh, well. So here this is. I'd like to do this on Wild Willie Wednesdays. I'd like to. I'd like to have this become a thing that Billy Gill brings to us on Wednesdays.

[Stugotz]

What's Wild Willie Wednesdays?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Who the willy.

[Zaslow]

That's. That's just alliteration on Billy Gill.

[Dan Le Batard]

Willow. It's Willow.

[Zaslow]

So I want him tomorrow to make it so that we get stuck with just total chaos. As. As. What are you laughing about back there? Who the.

[Stugotz]

His Willie.

[Mike Ryan]

This one over here just says today wasn't good enough. I don't feel like I've caused any chaos. If anything, I'm trying to write the shift today. I've been doing my darndest to keep things on the rails today, believe it or not. Ron McGill, who will be joining us shortly. I'm doing my best to make sure that we're staying on track.

[Jeremy Tache]

I'm just sitting here.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just trying to change the subject and shit on someone who's not here.

[Zaslow]

I want. I want to do that on Wednesdays is what I'm saying. I want to list that you guys said that you didn't want to make my talk about Mike Ryan when he's not here. If there's a list that seems like a reasonable complaint, like a weekly office complaint that's bought by the group about somebody, I feel like should be fair game for all of us, because those things should be spoken that.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you're saying spoiler Wednesday and shit on whoever's not here. Wednesday and Wild Willy.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm thinking there's proper channels, though, to deal with, you know, inner office conflicts. I don't know that just airing it out is a good idea.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's historically what the show has done. Historically, it's just been done this way. I'm following the leader.

[Mike Ryan]

I will say this. You do kind of get a sense for the mood and what kind of day you're in store for depending on the music. That's.

[Zaslow]

That's the thing.

[Mike Ryan]

So it is a kind of a good tip sometimes.

[Jeremy Tache]

Sometimes it's really heavy metal.

[Mike Ryan]

If we're listening to Corn, you know, we're in for a long one.

[Jeremy Tache]

I don't need that. I never need it, actually, you know, done.

[Zaslow]

I would love, like, a weekly caucus where we get together and somebody is being rude. This what you've just said to me, I had not realized, and it's been happening for three years. Mike Ryan can absolutely alter the mood of everything we're doing with his musical choice in the morning.

[Stugotz]

He came in playing Chapel Roan the other day, and it literally led to our whole show discussing that and a new parody song and all of this fun. But then he'll come in playing heavy metal music screamo At 8, 10 in the morning, and it's like, hey, man, it's already an hour drive.

[Zaslow]

I. I didn't even realize that it was playing that loud, though. I thought it was just something he was occasionally do because he got here first. He gets here occasionally. Yeah, I thought. I thought he would. I. I don't know why it was all, music's only playing when he's here. It's not playing any other time.

[Stugotz]

That's right.

[Jeremy Tache]

Exactly.

[Stugotz]

I think it's a new thing for your show where you just shit on the person who's not here.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what we do every time. It's every day.

[Zaslow]

All right, Ron McGill is with us now.

[Stugotz]

The things I have heard about myself. Tomorrow it's my turn.

[Zaslow]

Yes, tomorrow. Gather your list.

[Dan Le Batard]

Everything's about Jeremy, by the way, on Wild Willy.

[Zaslow]

Wednesday. Yes. Gather your things. Go ahead, Roy.

[Jeremy Tache]

Ron McGill joins us via LinkedIn. Jobs. Post your job for [e-mail] DLS Terms and Conditions apply.

[Mike Ryan]

Can I make a confession? Just since we're coming clean on when we're talking bad about each other. So, like, earlier today, Jeremy was across the street and you said. Jeremy's joining us from the weeds. And I just said to Jess and Tony, go, I hope he catches Lyme disease.

[Zaslow]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

And I apologize for that, which is really mean. It is really mean. I didn't mean it. But I just. In the weeds. It was a joke that was just there. So I'm sorry to everyone.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ron, animals can get vaccinated for Lyme disease, right? But there's no human vaccine for it. Is that correct?

[Jeremy Tache]

No, animals don't get vaccinated for Lyme disease. I don't believe. No, they. They can carry Lyme disease without showing symptoms. They can be asymptomatic, so they can be, you know, conduits to transmit Lyme disease, but they don't necessarily show symptoms, and I don't think they can be vaccinated against it.

[Mike Ryan]

Do animals just take the shot or do they do their own research.

[Jeremy Tache]

Now? They just take the shot, Billy. Somebody's got to hold them, generally speaking, but they take the shot like your kid.

[Zaslow]

You know, what are some of the animals. Let's do a top three list here, a top five list of animals. Animals that Ron McGill has had an experience with while trying to give a shot. I'm sure that he's got. Do you have a list of five here that you could do off the top of your head? Because you. Because you're around animals during surgery and during emergency situations, I don't usually give the shots.

[Jeremy Tache]

There have been some exceptions to that. Usually it's the veterinarians that do that. But, you know, I have given shots to rhinos before. I've given shots to a giraffe before. I've given shots to crocodiles before. Why is that? One, the tada and the other ones were down.

[Zaslow]

No, they all got tadahs. You're just hearing it wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is it like a really thick needle for the crocodiles? Like, how do you penetrate it?

[Zaslow]

Is.

[Jeremy Tache]

It is. It is thick. And what we have to do is we have the crocodile in a type of chute. We put it, like in a. It's like a tube, and we have an access to a hole in the tube. So the crocodile just doesn't really much have a choice. I know that sounds kind of Cruel. But it's also for the safety of ourselves and the crocodile.

[Zaslow]

Well, because you can't have it buck all over the place. Right? Like it's got to be.

[Jeremy Tache]

Exactly. And they're incredibly powerful. So generally speaking, we used to have a transport tube we made this big, like an aluminum tube that has handles on the side that we get the crocodile to come through the tube and then we hold them in the tube there and we have access to the sides of the tube to do whatever kinds of treatment we need to do.

[Zaslow]

The rhino, is that a difficult or.

[Jeremy Tache]

The rhino, you know, we use a thinner gauge needle. And the rhino, once you're giving him his carrots and giving him his hay, distract him by the side. It just feels like a mosquito bite to him. So it's not much of a big thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

There is a Lyme vaccine for dogs, Ron, but apparently not a thing that's common in Florida because there's not a lot of Lyme down here, apparently.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah, Lyme disease is not found in this hot, hot climate.

[Dan Le Batard]

New York is the, is the hotbed right now where it's from.

[Ron McGill]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don Lebatard the elephant went into a.

[Zaslow]

711 and bought a pack of cigarettes.

[Mike Ryan]

But my question to Ron is this.

[Jeremy Tache]

Stugats.

[Zaslow]

That joke didn't really land the way you wanted it to, did it? We all just stared it all.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stug.

[Zaslow]

How does it work, Ron, if someone. Can you tell me about the tick? Because I have. I have heard stories from people coming back from places without realizing that they have a tick on them. Like what ends up happening there.

[Jeremy Tache]

You know, it's not a. It's not a. It's not a guarantee you're getting Lyme disease by any stretch of the imagination. I mean, I've been in rainforests where I've come back, and the ticks are tiny when they get onto you. But when they start gorging themselves with blood is when you realize that they're there. And, you know, at the risk of giving you too much information, you don't realize until you're in the shower and you start rubbing around. You think, oh, my God, what's growing here? What's going here? Because they tend to get in the dark crevices of your body and they expand there. And then you realize, oh, my God. And then you have to realize you have to be very careful to get them off because you can't pull them off. And sometimes their head remains there where the body comes off, and that is a portal for infection.

[Zaslow]

I want to play a couple of videos here for Ron. Let's start with these dolphins here and see what it is that he can tell us about. He's told us many, many times it's the smartest of animals. But the curiosity of these dolphins, yeah.

[Jeremy Tache]

I think, you know, that's, of course, when the. The spaceship there came back to Earth. Those poor astronauts are up there for eight or nine months, and I think the dolphins are both curious. They're intelligent, they're looking around. It's obviously a new thing in their area here. There's a lot of attention there. And I think it's almost like a childlike curiosity that they're checking it out. They're very curious about it.

[Zaslow]

The dolphin, when you talk about intellect, you would say the highest form of example of a dolphin being smarter than all the other animals is.

[Jeremy Tache]

I can't give you an exact example. I can tell you how dolphins tend to navigate and how they tend to understand dolphin therapy, a lot of therapy for autistic children, non verbal children, the way dolphins seem to be able to communicate and connect with those children, to me, it's profoundly moving. I've seen that happen on several occasions. As a matter of fact, I've seen a child who was non verbal actually start verbalizing around a dolphin, and the dolphin seemed to understand that there was a connection there. So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Zaslow]

A minute, wait a minute. You said you've seen a child who wasn't verbal at all speak just when in the company of a dolphin.

[Jeremy Tache]

And when I say speak, I don't say, you know, come out with entire sentences, but start uttering sounds where they would not do that at all before. I've seen that happen on two different occasions to where the parents just burst out in tears. They couldn't believe what they were seeing. So there's a power there. There's a connection there. And I think, you know, when you look at the size of the brain of a dolphin, I mean, really relative to its size of the rest of the body, it's very, very similar to a human being. Ron, when you talk about smart animals.

[Stugotz]

If I put up your dolphin, but I say octopus.

[Zaslow]

Ooh.

[Jeremy Tache]

Because they can, you can put them in a jar and they can find their way to get it out of.

[Zaslow]

The box, put it on the pole. Juju at Lebatard show smarter animal. Dolphin or octopus?

[Jeremy Tache]

Well, you know, the octopus got a lot of. A lot of big publicity with that, that movie that came out, the Oscar winning movie. I think my friend, the octopus, my octopus teacher. I think the octopus teacher. There you go. And they are incredibly intelligent as far as being able to navigate things. The way they can change their color, the way they can camouflage, the way they can escape almost anything. I mean, you look at an octopus that, you know, bigger than your fists, and it can get through an eighth of an inch of an opening area, and that's pretty incredible. So they are tend to be very, I guess, opportunistic. They're very resourceful as far as solving puzzles and thinking the way a dolphin does. I just don't think the octopus is that intelligent. I think they're very intelligent. I don't want to take anything away from the octopus, but I do think the dolphin.

[Zaslow]

Whoa. You just said, what are you worrying about? You just said they're not that intelligent.

[Jeremy Tache]

I didn't say they're as intelligent. I said they're not as intelligent as a dolphin.

[Zaslow]

You said, don't be putting words intelligent. That's a controversial thing to say. That's controversial. What you've just there. The octopus.

[Jeremy Tache]

You like controversy.

[Zaslow]

The octopus is why. The octopus is widely regarded as one of the smartest animals. And you're out here, you're disrespectful.

[Jeremy Tache]

And I said, it's not, in my personal opinion, is not as intelligent as a dolphin.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, well, that's not exactly what you said. You said not.

[Jeremy Tache]

That is exactly what I said. You stopped me when I said it's not as intelligent. Okay? I didn't say the octopus is not intelligent. I didn't say that, Dan.

[Zaslow]

Not that.

[Jeremy Tache]

Stop it. You know, you said, you just love this kind of.

[Zaslow]

Give me. Give me. Give me the example of you being in a surgery with an animal. And an. An. The greatest example. You have the animal coming awake because the anesthesia didn't last as long as it should have. And all of a sudden you got some real danger in the surgical area.

[Jeremy Tache]

Well, we weren't actually in the hospital in surgery. This is when I first started at the old Crandon Park Zoo. We had a chimpanzee, a male chimpanzee, his name was Colonel. And we anesthetized him, and we had to pull him out of the enclosure. And we put him on the grass next to a canal there. He was totally out. They used the drug which everybody knows about now called ketamine. And he was out. And Dr. Hubble, I'll never forget that the veterinarian was kneeled between his legs, leaning over. He had a suture up his arm. He'd cut his arm badly, so he had to suture up the arm. But of course, we had to have him anesthetized, immobilized to do that. So I'm holding one arm and another gentleman's holding the other arm. And Dr. Hubble's on his knees between his legs, leaning over, sewing up his arm. And then all of a sudden, Colonel just sat up, got right in front of Dr. Hubble's face and just went. I like that. The one guy on the one arm literally jumped into the canal. I froze. I panicked and just froze. And I just stood there. And then all of a sudden. And Dr. Humble didn't move either. He just looked at him, this chimp. If you've never heard a chimp scream in your face, it's something. It's blood curdling. And then all of a sudden, his eyes rolled back into his head and he just kind of went and fell Back down. So he was going through some type of hallucination because of the ketamine. And I looked at Dr. Hubble, I said, doc, he goes, that sometimes happens with this drug.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it weirdly cured his depression too.

[Jeremy Tache]

Well, I got to tell you what, I had to change my pants after that.

[Zaslow]

Well, I was, I was, I was just going to ask you, did you actually and literally shit your pants?

[Jeremy Tache]

You know, I don't know if I shit my pants, but certain bodily fluids escaped my body at that time. Let's leave it at that.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was a shark, Dan.

[Mike Ryan]

Baby, I'm not.

[Zaslow]

I'm not going to leave it at that. You have. Ron, you have often given us totally horrifying, terrifying situations. I don't think that's even the greatest story that you have. As it regards, not even an alive chimp, a dead chimp screaming.

[Jeremy Tache]

That was the orangutan when I was digging it out of the. Yeah. Oh, that was horrible. But I.

[Zaslow]

Number of times you have shit your pants in one of these situations.

[Jeremy Tache]

Actually shit my pants. I mean, I might have passed some gas. I don't know.

[Zaslow]

Okay, I'm sorry, I've gone too far.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yes, I think you have.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I just thought that literal shit stir.

[Zaslow]

But that's correct. And I would have. You've been correcting everybody in this segment.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've been right.

[Jeremy Tache]

I've been right a lot.

[Zaslow]

Every time you've been right, I have found that, Ron, your, your stories when it comes to this, this is a truly horrifying thing. Like, you would not have any other instances in which you would ever find yourself this kind of scared.

[Jeremy Tache]

No, no, I was really, I was really scared when that chimp said, because the chimp can rip your arm off and then beat you with it. I mean, a chimp is a very, very dangerous animal. We've all heard about chimps attacking people. And this is one of the biggest male chimps I've ever seen in my life. He looked like a small gorilla. And to have him get up, you know, be fast asleep and all of a sudden open his eyes wide and that scream. Just that. And these big canines sticking out. I mean, let me tell you something. And he's right. And I couldn't believe Hubble didn't just jump in the water. The one guy, Leroy Van, he jumped in the water. I sat there in fear. I was an idiot because I could have been killed. I should have water too. Fortunately, the thing just passed back out. But that. And that's like. I think it was like the Second week. I started as a zookeeper, man, I'd never been experienced, you know, exposed to that kind of thing. And it's just. That's blood curdling stuff. I really. That was very frightening.

[Stugotz]

Have you ever had.

[Jeremy Tache]

One time I was working. I was working for Bill Hosto when I was working at the Miami Serpentarium. My very first job. And I had to open up the right side of the lab, and there was one room where the king cobras were. And I remember I'd go in and open the door, turn on the lights, and a king cobra had gotten out. And I opened the door, and literally eight feet in front of me, this king cobra just goes right up in front of my face. And I just backed up, close the door. And I went, Mr. Haas, I think there's one out. And he went in there and he just, oh, yeah, there is. Let me put it back. And I was like, oh, my God, are you kidding me?

[Stugotz]

Have you ever had a moment like that where you actually said to yourself early in your career where you said, I don't know this for me, I'll.

[Jeremy Tache]

Tell you the hard thing for me. Yeah. I'm going to be honest with you. One of the first things they taught me when I went around is they were feeding condors, and the gentleman was feeding the condor a live rabbit. Now, this is back 45 years ago. We don't really do that anymore. But I remember the condor getting the rabbit and the rabbit screaming. And I just said to myself, now, I don't think I can do this. Even though it's nature. This is what happens in nature. I said to myself, I don't think I can do this. That was very difficult for me. Fortunately, we've gone past that. You know, we don't feed live animals to animals anymore. But that was a moment that it did hit me. I. I was. That was. It haunted me for several days after that.

[Zaslow]

Well, it sounds for several years, the way that you're talking, all of us are reacting the same way to that.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah, it was. Listen, I'm not going to lie. It was a very difficult thing to watch. Even though, you know, the person at the time was insisting, no, this is what gets them their natural behaviors going. And in fact, we were breeding those condors. And several of the condor chicks that hatched out at Cranh Park Zoo are now flying free in Colombia. They were released back into the wild. That was the most productive pair of condors, Andean condors, in the country at the time. And it was because they were provided all these natural behaviors. So, I mean, listen, I'd be a bit of a hypocrite because the bottom line is, you know, we've got to feed these animals animals. You know, it's a circle of life. And I just think that the animals can be more humanely put down as opposed to putting them in their life and having them fight for their life.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ron, I didn't know there was a zoo at Crandon Park. It says it closed in the 80s. What was the story with the Crandon Park Zoo?

[Jeremy Tache]

Yeah, that's where I first started working. It was a beautiful place. As far as the zoo goes, it was really horrific, especially when you look back at some of the classic cages with the metal bars, the concrete floors, you know, maybe a tire hanging from a rope for the chimps. It was really everything that is terrible about zoos, but, but, you know, they didn't know better back then. Everything back then was a different mindset. People, fortunately, have come a long way and realize that this is no way to maintain animals. So there's been improvements. You know, having said that, listen, in a perfect world, and I know that's going to sound strange coming from me, we wouldn't, we wouldn't need any zoos. In a perfect world, everybody would be able to go out to Africa, see the animals in the African plains, the Amazon, the Arctic, see these animals in their natural environment. Unfortunately, we don't live in a perfect world. Most people will never be able to see that. And I know as a kid who grew up in a small apartment in New York City, being able to go to the Bronx Zoo planted a seed in me that has enabled me to, you know, raise millions of dollars to protect animals in the wild where they belong. But having said that, if the zoo is the last place that these animals can safely live and zoos have failed and which would be their number one priority, and that's to protect and protect animals in the wild.

[Mike Ryan]

Ron, earlier I think you were talking about a chimp ripping off a person's arm and beating them with salt. It really is insulting. Is that necessary? And have you actually seen it seems like at that point it's adding insult to injury. Like, if you've taken my arm, why do you need to beat me with it?

[Jeremy Tache]

Also, I was, I was kind of just kind of setting up an example. The reality is when chimps come at you, one of the first things they do is they try to bite off your genitals.

[Mike Ryan]

That's the reality. The first thing a chimp does when it comes up to you is tries to bite off your genitals.

[Jeremy Tache]

That's how they fight each other. They go right for the genitals, they try to bite them off.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, hold on a second. Do you have chimps sans genitals at the zoo because they're biting them off?

[Jeremy Tache]

That's insulting. No, no, because we've worked very hard to have a cohesive troop of chimps. But if rival, you can almost equate it to gangs. You can see chimps in the wild when they go into. I, I agree with you, Dan. I'm rubbing my eyes.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Zaslow]

I'm sorry.

[Jeremy Tache]

Going down a bad rabbit hole here.

[Mike Ryan]

Dan, Dan, we're learning. Grow up.

[Jeremy Tache]

You wanted to be information so that these chips will fight with each other. And yes, a very common battle tactic in rival chimps is to go after.

[Stugotz]

The genitals fights over at that point, right? Like whoever wins the genital biting contest is done, Right?

[Jeremy Tache]

It's over. It's over, it's over.

[Mike Ryan]

But then you're primed for the next battle, right? Once you don't have genitals, you really have the upper hand in the next battle because they have nothing to bite off. You just get what? Honestly, if you're done reproducing as a chimp, take my genitals. I don't need my genitals anymore. I don't need little chimps running around that I then need to support or back.

[Jeremy Tache]

Bad mouth Billy. You planning to have any more kids?

[Mike Ryan]

I honestly. You can take my genitals at this point. I'm just, I'm learning. Probably make my life more difficult if I have more. I'm out of room at the Gill Manor. There's no more room in the inn, you know what I mean? And unless I'm getting some sort of raise, we're out of rooms there. So I don't have any more room for these kids. So take my genitals and then if I was a chimp, you take my genitals. Dude, I'm going undefeated champion of the world. Just, you know what I mean?

[Jeremy Tache]

Was that all your genitals were good for? It's just reproducing. There's nothing else you use those genitals for?

[Mike Ryan]

Nah.

[Stugotz]

What if the raise was dependent on having another kid? You have another kid, you then get a raise.

[Mike Ryan]

I get another raise for having a kid?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Sign me up.

[Zaslow]

Okay, deal.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if that's binding.

[Jeremy Tache]

What about me?

[Zaslow]

You gotta get things in, right?

[Mike Ryan]

I wanted skip Dan said, I want.

[Zaslow]

To be or I want it to be orally binding. Right there.

[Jeremy Tache]

I have never heard of anyone so willing to forfeit their genitals in my life.

[Zaslow]

It was shocking. I'll put it on the poll, please. Is the fight won by the first genital biter? Because I do believe that you guys have got that right. Like that's. The fight is over.

[Jeremy Tache]

It's over. It's over.

[Zaslow]

At that point, I was unaware after all of these years doing this with you that so the chimp is savvy that way. Like the chimp has learned over many years of evolution. I'm just going in first for the kill. Right there. That's my. That's my sweet spot.

[Jeremy Tache]

Bite his balls off. That's exactly right, guys. That's male chimps. That's how they go after each other.

[Zaslow]

Oh, my God. Ron, good seeing you. Thank you. Much. Much of what it is that he's talking about will be on display when he un. Retires 13th. His sex and the animals presentation, which has an assortment of amazing scientific facts in it and is fun for the whole family.

[Jeremy Tache]

And mutilated genitalia.

[Zaslow]

Some of the family fun for the whole family. Ron, can I say that April 13 is fun for the whole family or.

[Jeremy Tache]

This is more of that's the whole family, Dan. It's 21 and over, brother. All right.

[Zaslow]

It's an adult presentation.

[Jeremy Tache]

There you go.

[Zaslow]

Okay, See you, Ron. Good seeing you.

[Jeremy Tache]

Have a good one, guys.

[Zaslow]

Roy, are the boldest takes around here getting any better, are they?

[Jeremy Tache]

Not really.

[Zaslow]

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[Jeremy Tache]

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[Stugotz]

By far the worst name in sports is the Los Angeles Angels. It's the the Angels Angels. Hi, this is Steve from Denver. First time, long time. My hot take is that Joe Burrow is a modern day Dan Marino happening.

[Mike Ryan]

Right before our eyes. Or at least except chess makes it to the big game.

[Stugotz]

Everyone thinks he'll be back and he'll never get back.

[Zaslow]

Kermit the Frog here calling for Jessica. Hey now, call me.

[Stugotz]

Guys, it's Curtis From Charleston, South Carolina. I'm gonna zig While everyone's zagging on inflation, Big Banana should be charging more than they are. Every time I go and buy bananas, I'm shocked by how cheap they are. And I'm not rich by any stretch. If Big Banana wanted to charge me a dollar a banana, I'd be fine with it.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, this is Will from Grand Rapids.

[Stugotz]

With a limited fake Mufasa Simba. Hey, this is Will on a mobile in a car. Just wanted to say that fancy ballpark food, incredibly overrated. I did not need $30 sliders. Give me a hot dog. Give me soda, Give me popcorn.

[Jeremy Tache]

Maybe give me ice cream in the.

[Stugotz]

Little cup, but other than that, screw it. I'll hang up and listen.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, what's good? First time, long time. It's church on a mobile. I got a limited fake. It's Will Ferrell doing Harry Carry.

[Jeremy Tache]

If the blue were made of spare ribs, would you eat it?

[Stugotz]

Cause I know I would. Hey, this is a sledge from Ohio. I've got my.

[Zaslow]

My limited fake.

[Jeremy Tache]

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[Stugotz]

Straw man.

[Jeremy Tache]

You know what?

[Stugotz]

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