Hour 1: With One Eye Open

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – Episode: "Hour 1: With One Eye Open"

Release Date: August 13, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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NFL Updates and "Hard Knocks" Critique

The episode kicks off with Mike Ryan prompting Tony for the latest NFL headlines. Tony announces a significant contract for James Cook, a running back based in western New York, signing a four-year deal worth $48 million (01:26). This follows Cook's appearance on "Hard Knocks," sparking discussions about the show's current quality.

Greg Cody (02:52) shares his disenchantment with "Hard Knocks," stating, "I feel like the whole Hard Knocks franchise is on fumes. It was an innovative idea. It had its run. I don't watch it anymore."

The hosts delve into a critical comparison between quarterbacks Jordan Love and Tua Tagovailoa. Mike Ryan expresses skepticism about Love's potential, saying, "Jordan Love was nothing special last year. [...] No one's questioned it [Tua]." Greg Cody (07:29) supports this, noting Tua's playoff experience: "He won a playoff game. Great. He has one more playoff win than Tua."

The conversation intensifies around Jordan Love's recent thumb surgery following a fireworks accident, raising concerns about his readiness for upcoming games. Tony (08:24) adds humorously, "He's a Cyclops now," highlighting the uncertainty of his recovery.

Dan Le Batard (09:14) emphasizes Love’s playoff success over Tua: "He won a playoff game. That's a lot more."

The panel also touches on the broader NFL landscape, including comparisons to other quarterbacks like Justin Herbert and references to Ryan Tannehill's career trajectory.

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TV and Pop Culture: Taylor Swift and "The Bear"

The discussion shifts to pop culture with excitement about an upcoming episode featuring the Kelce Brothers alongside Taylor Swift. Mike Ryan (22:19) expresses anticipation: "That's going to be like this massive, massive episode."

Greg Cody (23:16) connects Taylor Swift's album release to the podcast's surge in popularity: "Taylor Swift just announced that she's got a brand new album coming out. [...] it's a guarantee [she'll achieve high streaming numbers]."

The hosts also review the critically acclaimed TV show "The Bear," sharing mixed opinions. Greg Cody (26:31) defends the show, while Mike Ryan (27:11) admits, "The acting is so good in this."

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Science Fiction Discussions: "Alien Earth" and Space Time Concepts

A significant portion of the episode delves into science fiction, particularly the new TV series "Alien Earth." The hosts discuss its high IMDb ratings and stellar cast, including Timothy Olyphant (28:50). Dan Le Batard (29:05) shares excitement: "I thought Romulus was my favorite."

The conversation evolves into a philosophical debate on the nature of time and the universe. Dan Le Batard (31:09) muses, "The universe already ended, and we're just living in its echo," sparking a lively exchange about cosmic timing and existence (31:10–33:24).

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UFC and Sports Media: Paramount Deal and Future of Coverage

A substantial segment is dedicated to the UFC's groundbreaking deal with Paramount, valued at $7.7 billion over seven years. Greg Cody (37:41) praises the deal, stating, "UFC is so big, so global, so prominent. [...] the faith in the brand is $7.7 billion. That's impressive."

The hosts contemplate the implications for UFC's media coverage. Ariel Helwani's insights (43:11) suggest skepticism about maintaining UFC's social media presence under Paramount's stewardship. Stugotz (43:18) adds, "UFC is in a very interesting point where they are probably the most social media friendly sport."

The panel debates the potential decline in UFC's exposure should ESPN reduce its coverage, drawing parallels to ESPN's earlier withdrawal from NHL coverage. Dan Le Batard (39:10) expresses concern: "What am I paying for? Stop announcing streamers that don't exist yet. I need proof of concept."

The discussion highlights the balance between increased financial investment and potential fragmentation of UFC's viewership across platforms. Tony (41:25) humorously speculates on high-priced pay-per-view events, while Greg Cody (43:44) emphasizes UFC's global dominance despite temporary lulls in superstar talent.

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Notable Quotes

• Greg Cody (02:52): "I feel like the whole Hard Knocks franchise is on fumes. It was an innovative idea. It had its run. I don't watch it anymore."

• Mike Ryan (07:09): "Jordan Love was nothing special last year."

• Dan Le Batard (09:14): "He won a playoff game. That's a lot more."

• Greg Cody (23:16): "Taylor Swift just announced that she's got a brand new album coming out. [...] it's a guarantee [she'll achieve high streaming numbers]."

• Dan Le Batard (31:09): "The universe already ended, and we're just living in its echo."

• Greg Cody (37:41): "UFC is so big, so global, so prominent. [...] the faith in the brand is $7.7 billion. That's impressive."

• Dan Le Batard (39:10): "What am I paying for? Stop announcing streamers that don't exist yet. I need proof of concept."

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Conclusion

In "Hour 1: With One Eye Open," Dan Le Batard and Stugotz engage in a multifaceted discussion covering NFL contracts and quarterback prospects, critiques of "Hard Knocks," enthusiastic commentary on pop culture events like Taylor Swift's album launch, philosophical musings on science fiction narratives, and an in-depth analysis of the UFC's significant media deal with Paramount. The hosts balance humor with critical insights, providing listeners with a comprehensive overview of current sports and entertainment landscapes.

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Note: Advertisements and non-content sections present in the transcript have been intentionally excluded from this summary to focus solely on the substantive discussions and analyses provided by the hosts.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach spotcast.

[Chris Cody]

This episode is presented by DraftKings. DraftKings. The Crown is yours.

[Mike Ryan]

A lot going on around the National Football League. Tony, can you help us out here? We got some headlines. What is going on around the league?

[Tony]

Zaz, we have a massive deal done in western New York. James Cook. Four years. 48 million for running back James Cook. Obviously, if you've been watching Hard Knocks, you know that he was in a hold in, right? Not a holdout. Hold in.

[Mike Ryan]

If I can interrupt you for one second, can we kick in some NFL music? Because that means this is serious business.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, thank you.

[Mike Ryan]

Like if. If NFL music is playing, then we know. Stop what you're doing and pay attention to what is being said. So let.

[Tony]

Let's get important note.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is a good note.

[Mike Ryan]

Everyone knows that, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Producing.

[Mike Ryan]

If you're listening to something, you hear the music. Oh my God. Like, this is serious stuff. Tony Robb.

[Tony]

Thank you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, not that one.

[Tony]

Hold on, hold on.

[Greg Cody]

I'm also really impressed by the geography.

[Chris Cody]

There of knowing it's western.

[Tony]

Western.

[Dan Le Batard]

I had no idea.

[Tony]

But they always say it. Yeah, Western New York.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. You watched Hard Knocks.

[Tony]

I'm also locked in on Hard Knocks.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I forgot it was on last night that. That first. And you know why I forgot it was on last night. That first episode was a bore. Was it good? You hate the bills and I hate the bills. And I don't like, I don't want. I know what's going to happen, Greg. They're going to. They're going to make Josh Allen into this. Like he's a cool guy. He's a good.

[Tony]

They did, they have.

[Mike Ryan]

And I don't want to like Josh Allen. I hate the bills. I don't want to like him.

[Greg Cody]

I feel like the whole Hard Knocks franchise is on fumes. And I've thought this for years. It was an innovative idea. It had its run. I don't watch it anymore.

[Mike Ryan]

You want to take a sip of your coffee? You want to take a sip of your water?

[Stugotz]

It's just not what he's saying, man.

[Greg Cody]

You know, I am getting emotional talking about it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just thinking about Bobby Sipio right now.

[Stugotz]

I still don't understand why your wife's ex boyfriend was sleeping over your house.

[Greg Cody]

But it's a long story. Am I the only one who doesn't like Hard Knocks anymore? I'm not riveted to it.

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Greg Cody]

Before. I don't trust it. I don't trust that it's. That it's 24 hour access. That it's going to be a tell all Chris that it's gonna do.

[Dan Le Batard]

Chris.

[Chris Cody]

Not this one either.

[Dan Le Batard]

No. This is a useless sound.

[Greg Cody]

What was that music?

[Tony]

Useless sound montage.

[Dan Le Batard]

Useless sound montage you'd find. All right. You played the two that you can't find literally any other one.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, that's better. Yes.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Greg Cody]

That's what I'm talking.

[Mike Ryan]

All right.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, works.

[Dan Le Batard]

Speaking of what you were talking about.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, I'm so into the music. No, I'm done with it. I don't trust it. I don't think it's going to be edited.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, you don't trust it. Like you think they're lying to you.

[Greg Cody]

I think that they're showing us only as much of the. What really goes on as is. As they want. You know, if. If Josh Allen says anything or does anything that's embarrassing after the fact, they're going to say, no, no, no, no. Edit that out. I just don't think it's as revealing as it pretends to be.

[Chris Cody]

They did show Vonte Davis, like, sobbing, asking for his grandma after being traded.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, okay. I mean every.

[Chris Cody]

That was also 15 years ago.

[Greg Cody]

Every once in a while you get a moment, but it's almost like I'm two dolphins.

[Stugotz]

Hard knocks ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's just Rest in peace, Monte Davis.

[Greg Cody]

Just give me the games. You know, I don't want that background. I don't want to see the sausages made. You know, I love driving a sports car. I don't want to see the car assembled at the plant. You know what I mean? I don't. I want to watch a football game.

[Stugotz]

I think most people have. Sports cars are the opposite. Like, they're really into the sports cars and like, all the, like, nooks and crannies, they're sports cars.

[Tony]

Oh, you know, that kind of thing.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that kind of thing.

[Tony]

You're right.

[Mike Ryan]

Sony, let's go.

[Tony]

The hard. The Hard Knocks thing, it's. I get what you're saying. They're trying to make Josh Allen these the mvp.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't want to like player.

[Tony]

They're making him super likable. He's got this wife.

[Mike Ryan]

He's already got Steinfeld.

[Tony]

He's a superstar in Hollywood. And it's like, what else could the guy have? Okay, he's got everything. What is he missing? Oh, he's got a good.

[Stugotz]

He turned out more money. He was like, turned out more money. I'll take a little bit less so the other people can get enough.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, what has she done after Pitch Perfect?

[Greg Cody]

Well.

[Chris Cody]

Overrated movie.

[Tony]

Anyways, this. This weekend's episode of Hard Knocks. Nice. The problem is, Zaz, you got the. The stars are obviously the lower tier guys and trying to make the roster, trying to fight for spots. You get enamored with their story. You got like K.J. hamler, who's been fun. Got the little scooter. I don't know if you've been watching that. Joe Andreessen, Buffalo Joe, been a fun little thing. They actually gave a shout out to the busted on the boys podcast. They were on this episode of Hard Knocks. And to make Josh Allen feel even better and seem even better, I think it was Taylor. The ones like, yeah, I've got a little ranch, you know, 13 acres, whatever. And Josh is like, yeah, I've got a place out in Central California is 1500 acres, but I don't want it. Whatever.

[Chris Cody]

Hate that thing.

[Tony]

And it's like, oh, sorry, dude, you 1500 acres, all this money and just.

[Dan Le Batard]

Cool guy.

[Tony]

Everything's cool. But major plot line. James Cook now paid.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't think they hit on that at all. In episode one. Kind of feels like an important thing when your top running back with 16.

[Tony]

Episode two, they dive into it.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay.

[Tony]

Brandon Bean's like, yeah, he's doing a hold in not a holdout so he's in meetings or whatever, and you kind of see him, like, there, and then he'll just, like, fade out of screen. You're like, oh, where'd he go? Oh, he's. He's not in the meeting anymore.

[Chris Cody]

Is Sean McDermott the most boring coach in the NFL?

[Greg Cody]

Pretty boring, visually? He is, yes.

[Tony]

Boring guy. You know, he's a nice guy, hard worker, western New York, lunch pail type of guy.

[Mike Ryan]

So James Cook signed the deal.

[Tony]

Same James Cook, same deal. I think that Kyron Williams got 4 for 48. All right, big deal there. So on a couple more headlines, he's.

[Stugotz]

From Nebraska, by the way, not western New York.

[Tony]

But he's in western New York now.

[Stugotz]

He's an Omaha man. Oh, yeah.

[Tony]

Once an Omaha man, always an Omaha man. Jordan Love sneakily had a procedure on his left thumb, had surgery on his left thumb. And we're trying to figure out if he's gonna be ready for week one. They say he is, but again, injuries linger.

[Mike Ryan]

I gotta tell you, I'm out on this. Jordan Love.

[Greg Cody]

Really?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, really. Yeah, really.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, you know, he had eight good games, and they're like, here's all the money. You know, Tuatanga Bailoa gets all the. In the same offseason when they both got paid, Tua gets all this criticism. We don't know if he's worth it. You saw eight games of Jordan Love. Nobody questioned it. And then the very next year. Last year, it wasn't that great last year.

[Greg Cody]

I agree with you. I think he's got a lot to prove with that contract.

[Dan Le Batard]

Whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa.

[Chris Cody]

This room does not agree.

[Greg Cody]

He.

[Dan Le Batard]

He won a playoff game.

[Mike Ryan]

I know.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a lot more. You compared him to Tua. Tua just make the playoffs.

[Stugotz]

All right.

[Mike Ryan]

He won a playoff game. Great. He has one more playoff win than Tua.

[Chris Cody]

You say no to that trade, though.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, Jordan lover Tua.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, like, just heads up. You do that if you're the Dolphins.

[Mike Ryan]

Nope.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, I would do it.

[Mike Ryan]

No, I mean, Tua's resume overall is better than Jordan Love.

[Tony]

If you add in collegiate.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, no, I'm not adding in collegiate.

[Tony]

You're saying just NFL resume.

[Chris Cody]

He's going with my eyes.

[Greg Cody]

My eyes.

[Chris Cody]

I would. I would go Jordan Love.

[Dan Le Batard]

In terms of passing yards, Tua's probably got him beat. I mean, Tua did have a monster season.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, according to every stat, he would have him beat. I mean, Jordan Love has been a starting quarterback for two years in the league.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I think two is better than Jordan Love.

[Stugotz]

I think everyone else, though, would take Jordan Love over Tua, like outside of Miami. I don't think there's a question. If you're given the two.

[Mike Ryan]

All right.

[Dan Le Batard]

And they did play. As mentioned earlier.

[Stugotz]

Wolf didn't go well.

[Mike Ryan]

Tony, what else you got?

[Tony]

Jordan Love having Naji Harris. Remember he had a firework accident July 4th.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, yeah. Is he like a Cyclops now? We haven't seen him.

[Tony]

I don't know what happened there and say there was a. It was a facial injury.

[Stugotz]

You didn't hear that? He got shot in the eye with a firework.

[Tony]

Something happened.

[Mike Ryan]

He's a Cyclops now.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Tony]

We don't know exactly what happened.

[Chris Cody]

He doesn't know how many eyes he has.

[Greg Cody]

He was blinded.

[Tony]

I don't know. Blinded. But they've been really damaged.

[Mike Ryan]

To the boy about what the injury is.

[Tony]

They have.

[Mike Ryan]

All we know is I think Drew Rosenhaus said that it's a. What's it called?

[Tony]

Superficial. Yes, it's a superficial injury.

[Mike Ryan]

Meanwhile, we haven't seen him.

[Stugotz]

There's something about Drew, man, I don't know what it is.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's magical.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just to be clear, Jordan Love, because of Tua's injuries, had a much better season than Tua last year.

[Mike Ryan]

He has one year. Tua's been a start in this league for four plus years.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I'd say that this is off to a fairly consistent start for Jordan Love as a starter. And we still have questions about Tua.

[Mike Ryan]

Jordan Love wasn't that. That's my whole point. Jordan Love was nothing special last year. And no one's. Everyone's on board with Jordan Love being this franchise quarterback. And there's still a million questions Tua about rightfully so, by the way. Like, it's totally. It's totally sensible. You know how this question to. But Jordan Love. Oh, we're all convinced. We're convinced.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's the guy says, you know how this is going to land. You're the anti Jordan Love guy now.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't care.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like you're going to.

[Mike Ryan]

Whatever you want to label me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nation's going to be all up on come at me.

[Greg Cody]

You know who's in that same category as Jordan Love? He's the guy who everybody thinks is great. Justin Herbert. What has Justin Herbert done? He is overrated.

[Chris Cody]

Looked really good as a quarterback.

[Stugotz]

He's fallen off a little bit, I think big year coming years. Yeah, he's fallen off.

[Greg Cody]

He. Well, he has. But like for me, I think Tua is just as good as.

[Chris Cody]

So you Would say no to that trade, too. You guys are taking crazy pills in there.

[Greg Cody]

Many people wouldn't say that. If you can tell me Tua makes the Pro bowl his only season of complete health. If you can tell me Tua stays healthy, I think He's a top 10 quarterback in the league.

[Mike Ryan]

Herbert has appeared in two playoff games. 02. And not just 02, but embarrassing losses in both of them. The first one blew a 27 nothing.

[Stugotz]

I was there.

[Tony]

I was in person.

[Mike Ryan]

How was that big game?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, I lost so much.

[Chris Cody]

That screwed me out of so much.

[Tony]

We won big time there.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, can you imagine Waldor Smart if tua blew a 27 nothing lead in the playoffs? They throw him at leak. All right, Justin Herbert. That was his first playoff game and Justin Herbert's second playoff game last year. He had three interceptions all of the regular season. Guess how many interceptions he had in the playoff game last year. And if you go under three and a half, you're a loser.

[Chris Cody]

Zaz Skyler Thompson has more career postseason passing yards than Tua.

[Stugotz]

Mm.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know what to do with that information.

[Greg Cody]

So. Weird set.

[Chris Cody]

Because it doesn't help your TUA narrative.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, look, no, I'm not trying to tell you that Tua is definitely this franchise quarterback. The point I'm making is I don't understand why guys like Jordan Love were convinced that they are.

[Chris Cody]

Because I see Jordan Love move out of the pocket, and I'm like, okay, decent. When Tua does it, I go, oh, no, that's fair. That's one.

[Greg Cody]

That's one reason that's fair.

[Chris Cody]

Everything has to go perfect for Tua. Like, these other guys, they can kind of, you know, make. Make a good play out of a bad play.

[Tony]

They can color outside the lines a little bit more than Tua can.

[Chris Cody]

That's what I was looking, which is.

[Tony]

If Tua starts coloring outside of the lines, we've seen what happens, and it's not always good.

[Stugotz]

I think what Zazzo is saying is when he colors inside the lines, he's so much better.

[Tony]

Great. Color inside the lines.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

When he colors outside the lines, it's like another book that he's coloring where these guys, when they color outside the lines, you're like, oh, come on, sweetie. Just a little bit over more. Like, don't do so much of the zigzag. Just, you know, try to follow the line.

[Greg Cody]

Well, the one thing I think we can all agree on, and I think Dolphin fans feel this way. It was the same with Ryan Tannehill. You went Seven years with Tannehill going, is he good? How good is he? And it's the same with Tua. Halfway through his NFL career, almost largely for health reasons, you're going, is Tua that good? Is he all that is? Can, can he. Can we win with two. So pocket stuff.

[Chris Cody]

The pocket stuff has nothing to do with health though. Like, he's just bad out of the pocket.

[Greg Cody]

Well, it. But that.

[Chris Cody]

You see Jaden Daniels, you see Josh Allen. Josh Allen when he's out of the pocket. Good golly, it's pretty okay.

[Greg Cody]

But they don't want him out of the pocket because they don't want him sacked. And get another the game though.

[Chris Cody]

You got to be able to do that stuff.

[Greg Cody]

Well, he's limited.

[Chris Cody]

That's what like when.

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Chris Cody]

When Tua has a perfect three step drop. Yes, he's accurate. Like, no one denies that, but that's not how football works.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Stugotz]

Did anyone overestimate their value more than Ryan Tannehill thinking like, oh, I went from like, you know, I was on like a playoff team a couple years ago to like, you know what? I'm, I'm only gonna, I'm only gonna sign with a team that's in contention.

[Mike Ryan]

He's waiting for the right situation.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

And he's gonna keep waiting. Like, just go back up.

[Mike Ryan]

Patrick, you noticed he was not in retired or not retired.

[Stugotz]

Well, because he still thinks that someone's gonna come calling us like, oh, you know, Ryan, we have this ready made playoff team and just we need a driver and it's you. That's not going to happen. Ryan Tannehill sign elsewhere right now.

[Greg Cody]

He, Tannehill would have been great for retired or not retired. But he's also a good example of how sometimes you don't retire. The NFL retires you because they don't want you anymore.

[Tony]

Profound game, though.

[Stugotz]

Someone would 100% take Ryan Tannehill as a backup today, but he wants to be a starter on a team in contention. Like when the Steelers don't have a quarterback and they're not calling you because they're waiting around for Aaron Rodgers. Like, that's a sign, buddy. You're not going to get a starting call right now. Just take a backup job, hope that your quarterback gets injured. Sign with a team where the quarterback is going to get hurt.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Stugotz]

And then in two years you'll be a starter again.

[Greg Cody]

And frankly, if I would rather have in Miami backing up Tua, I would rather have Tannehill than Zach Wilson. I don't think I'm alone There. Tannehill.

[Stugotz]

Tannehill is back Just because of that.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

They don't want that problem for Tua. Tua, like, with the backup situation. I don't know this, but, like, part of it, like, they need a backup.

[Mike Ryan]

That's that no one wants.

[Stugotz]

Not going to be a threat.

[Mike Ryan]

That none of the fans.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, they need.

[Stugotz]

They. They've been doing a bad job going.

[Mike Ryan]

There's a little truth to that.

[Stugotz]

They've been going too far in the opposite direction where it's like, okay, this person's not a threat at all. And like, also, this person seems incompetent in the filling in this role situation because none of his. None of his backups have been good with this system.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Was bad.

[Chris Cody]

That was not this.

[Stugotz]

Not as bad.

[Tony]

He was.

[Stugotz]

Everybody's making him in the preseason game.

[Tony]

It was terrible.

[Stugotz]

No, he wasn't. He was hitting people in the hands. They were dropping passes.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I don't think he was that bad.

[Stugotz]

Wasn't terrible.

[Greg Cody]

He lost two fumbles.

[Stugotz]

That was not good. Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

One of us lost sack on fourth down. It was anyway.

[Greg Cody]

All right.

[Tony]

Bad game for Quinn.

[Chris Cody]

If you're looking for the most optimistic spin you could possibly have for Tua in his career, if you're looking at a guy who isn't necessarily known for being out of the pocket, was considered undersized, accurate thrower. First four seasons as a starter, only starts one playoff game, loses that game.

[Mike Ryan]

Drew Brees, there it is.

[Chris Cody]

The rest of his career escalates from there, and he goes down as one of the greatest quarterbacks of all time. That's not saying that's what two is going to be. But over the course of the first five seasons, Owen won in the playoffs. Really accurate passer. Theoretically, it can go better from here. The difference being it took Drew Brees changing franchises and going from then San Diego to New Orleans.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm going to go on the record. Sometimes you got to go on the record. I'm gonna go on the record here because we're talking about Jordan Love, Green Bay packers this year. Last in the NFC north behind the Bears on the record. Him on the record. Yeah. If I said last, that would be behind the Bears, but behind the Bears.

[Chris Cody]

Remember, they're in that division because this is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, this has potential. It has. It has real potential to be an embarrassing look for you. I cannot wait for this audio in the NFC North. I cannot wait for this audio.

[Stugotz]

One way that it does it if they're actually last in the North.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right.

[Mike Ryan]

That's Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I hope Jordan Love wins mvp. In fact, I'm putting it.

[Greg Cody]

That's not a terrible prediction. Because if Caleb Williams has a much better season, which he will, the Bears have a very good chance to be appreciative.

[Chris Cody]

How you like your ally.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, it's not what I was hoping for, but we'll see. Remains to be seen.

[Dan Le Batard]

You hate him so much, I don't know what.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm just speaking truth. That's all it is.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not about hate, you know, it's. You're a hater.

[Stugotz]

It's basically just, are the Bears gonna be better than the Packers?

[Tony]

Is Caleb Williams gonna be better than Jordan? Love is basically what the Jordan over here.

[Mike Ryan]

That's right. I'm not sitting here telling you. I'm not sitting here telling you. The packers who win three games, maybe the packers win eight games last in the NFC North. That's what I'm saying. Tony, go ahead.

[Tony]

Getting back to Najee Harris. Superficial eye injury for July 4th. The fireworks. Back in practice, Back doing drills, back running again. So good to see.

[Mike Ryan]

Is he wearing a patch?

[Tony]

We don't know if he's wearing a patch or not.

[Mike Ryan]

Like a pirate.

[Stugotz]

You have to wear a pirate.

[Tony]

He's probably wearing a visor. So nobody kind of gets in there with an. With a hand, but I don't think a patch is. Is working.

[Mike Ryan]

That's a dirty move. Cuz like a lot of things happen in the bottom of a pile for a running back. You think someone's going to try and poke him?

[Tony]

You got to get the Willis McGee all black. You remember when he used to play for the Ravens, he had the all black visor.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look.

[Tony]

How did they not ban that?

[Stugotz]

I think they did.

[Greg Cody]

Did they?

[Stugotz]

I think they might have.

[Mike Ryan]

You have to have a prescription.

[Stugotz]

I believe they ban everything. That's.

[Tony]

What if you got one eye?

[Mike Ryan]

I feel like they get half. That's a disability. I feel like. Yeah, I think Billy's right. You have half a visor now you.

[Chris Cody]

Have to supply your own visor.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can't be good for a running back to have one.

[Tony]

You can't play running back with one eye. Right. You got to play with two.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know.

[Stugotz]

You sleep with one eye open, and that's a good thing.

[Tony]

Trying to hit the hole. You got to see both eyes.

[Chris Cody]

Do you do anything else with one eye open?

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, yeah. Like when you're. You're doing archery.

[Stugotz]

Skeet shooting, too.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Skating.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Any other headlines, Tony?

[Tony]

A couple of tertiary headlines here. Tyrod Taylor Yeah, that's true. Tyrod Taylor has surgery. He's done for the preseason. And Rondell Moore season ends again on a knee injury. All right. With the Vikings.

[Mike Ryan]

Nobody cares about.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I care about Rondo. I care about Rondell Moore. Yeah, remember. Remember that college game day piece that they did on Purdue and the cancer situation? Had a hell of a game. Purdue is America's team for one brief night. And Urban Meyer had to wear that.

[Mike Ryan]

Good job, Tony. And those are Tony's NFL.

[Tony]

Just filling in on what's going on around the league just in case you're like, where's Rondell Moore? Who's a Viking now? He's done.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, baseball notes. Now, Jeremy, I'm just trying to live.

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don LeBatard I saw a post on Twitter yesterday how the Toronto Maple Leafs. Yeah, that they won the division. Guess what? It's been two years and that's two years too long. Stugats could take that ass too. Oh, we're taking two asses. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats tonight. Tonight is this new heights, right? Tonight's this new heights episode with the Kelce Brothers. That Taylor Swift talking about this for like 36 hours now. That's happening tonight, right? Is that gonna be like. Is this gonna be like the most listened to podcast ever? I mean, I like when it be like when I say that it sounds like a stupid thing to say, but I don't know, it feels like maybe it's gonna be like this massive, massive.

[Chris Cody]

Listen, they already jumped up in the podcast charts to number one just off the news. Like they were five or six. Like, not that I track these things, but yeah, yesterday they shut skyrocketed up before it even came out.

[Greg Cody]

And the timing is not coincidental. Taylor Swift just announced that she's got a brand new album coming out.

[Chris Cody]

There you go, dad. Nothing gets by you.

[Greg Cody]

The album is going to be number one for several weeks. It's a guarantee. And she could be on for 10 seconds and say nothing. And just the fact that they can advertise her being on is going to make this just.

[Chris Cody]

You really got your thumb on the pulse of this story.

[Greg Cody]

Well, I mean, what am I missing?

[Mike Ryan]

No, he knows. It's. It's not a coincidence that, you know, she's coming on the same time the timing is. Yeah. Also happens to be, you know, coming out the album.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

Makes sense. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Are you guys going to listen to this episode?

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, no.

[Greg Cody]

I might. I might.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

How? I'm a Swiftie. I'm a closet Swifty.

[Stugotz]

Are you? Wow. Is. You're coming out here.

[Chris Cody]

Name three of her songs.

[Greg Cody]

I don't want to take a quiz, but I admire her. I think she's a great businesswoman. I like her music. I think she's very talented.

[Stugotz]

On the list of things that you admire about her, what is the like the power ranking? Because that like businesswoman was the first thing that you did and then you said, I like her music.

[Greg Cody]

I mean she's. She had all that stuff with her where she lost the rights to her music for a while. She made the most of that. She's a billionaire, which isn't usual in the music industry. She sort of has traversed from a country type feel to very much a pop feel. So she's genre bending. Yeah, I just think she's very admirable.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Did you see on her tour she gave like the truck drivers like a bonus of like a hundred thousand dollars.

[Greg Cody]

Stuff like very charitable, very Taylor.

[Stugotz]

It's very tailored.

[Chris Cody]

I feel like if we asked Chat GPT about this, Taylor. Still, we would have getting everything.

[Greg Cody]

My dad just said you're very critical today.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, today.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm glad you chastised him. This is the one episode in sports content history that everyone's looking forward to that you actually don't have to listen to if you're in media. And you'll know everything that happens on this episode because everything's gonna get clipped.

[Greg Cody]

Yep.

[Dan Le Batard]

Every single thing. Everything that she says, you will know. You don't actually have to download this now.

[Mike Ryan]

Is it gonna be like an in studio appearance or she's gonna be on her own separate zoo?

[Dan Le Batard]

She's with next to Travis.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, in the clip, she's next to Travis.

[Dan Le Batard]

It would have been great if she was with Jason and Travis was available via Zoom.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

So if she's gonna be with Travis, it'll be a little bit like when you were sitting on the same side of the booth with your wife then.

[Greg Cody]

That's a very good point by you.

[Mike Ryan]

They're just like each other like that.

[Greg Cody]

Just like that.

[Stugotz]

You are the original Travis and Taylor.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, you know what?

[Stugotz]

You guys? Just a bunch of hot sluts. Whatever it's called.

[Greg Cody]

It's a love story. Probably my favorite song of hers. Now that I think wow. Just popped into my mind.

[Mike Ryan]

That was good. Yeah, that was impressive.

[Chris Cody]

I'm not criticizing that. That was good.

[Mike Ryan]

That was impressive. Okay, so that's. That's interesting that you say that, because it reminds me, I want to talk about a couple shows on TV right now, and I'm reminded of the Bear because that song was in the television show the Bear. I'm watching the Bear season four right now. Has anyone watched it? Has anyone finished season?

[Dan Le Batard]

How did you make it to a fourth season of that?

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, you bailed on it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Season three was not good.

[Tony]

I bailed after two.

[Dan Le Batard]

I heard season three was out halfway through season two. I'm like, I get it.

[Mike Ryan]

Really? I'm the only one that's still.

[Greg Cody]

There's a lot.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's a lot that goes into making a sandwich. I'm good.

[Chris Cody]

It's not that intense. I've worked in a restaurant.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow.

[Stugotz]

We get it.

[Chris Cody]

You're out of fries.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm the only one.

[Greg Cody]

I'm still hanging on to the bear. But I will say this. What's ludicrous to me is they classify that as a comedy. The last season was some of the. Was some of the darkest show on tv. It was depressing.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was somber, pumpernickel shortage or something crazy.

[Mike Ryan]

That's not Cousin.

[Tony]

Chef, I got it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, Chef. Yes, Chef. Yes, Chef.

[Tony]

Behind.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow. I can't believe you guys are all out on the bear. Some. I'm. I think seven episodes through season four, I'll probably finish.

[Dan Le Batard]

How many of the episodes do they have a stressful situation in the kitchen of those that you've seen?

[Mike Ryan]

I'll be honest with you. This season four, so far, I don't think there's been any stressful situations in the kitchen.

[Dan Le Batard]

I might come back then. Is there actual character development, or is that not a thing they pay attention to either?

[Mike Ryan]

I. I think season four, it's back. Like, season three was not great. It wasn't what the first couple seasons were. I feel like they're back.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know what back means for that show. It's just not.

[Mike Ryan]

It means it's good again.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, it's just not for me.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, that's fine.

[Greg Cody]

Give it another chance. Remember the. Remember the promise of the first year and give it another chance now.

[Mike Ryan]

The acting is so good in this.

[Dan Le Batard]

I do like the actors. I do like the actors. And I will say, like, the first couple cameos, the first couple episodes were gripping. Oh, I was into it. I'm like. I think I really like this show. And then towards, like, the end of the first season, I'm like, all right, that's a good start off point. And then, like, I saw the first four episodes of season two. I'm like, all right, so it's just the same thing.

[Mike Ryan]

So you never even got to the fishes episode in season two? That's the Christmas episode.

[Chris Cody]

They had a fish special.

[Mike Ryan]

Seven fishes, Christmas. You never got to the Christmas episode. Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

Why is it called the Bear?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a restaurant.

[Mike Ryan]

Well. And the family is named Berzato.

[Stugotz]

Oh, so like the rat.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, yeah.

[Greg Cody]

I apologize.

[Dan Le Batard]

Art is subjective. Those people. Actually, the. The actors do a really great job on that show, and a lot of people like it. I'm the weirdo.

[Mike Ryan]

I like it a lot.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're fine.

[Mike Ryan]

But there's another show that just debuted last night, which I've been looking forward to. It's. It's. It coming out, I guess every single week, but double episode premiere came out yesterday. I haven't watched it yet, but I'm gonna watch it really soon because me and my boys are looking forward to it. There's a new alien.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, dude, the reviews for this are sick.

[Mike Ryan]

Very, very high scores. Right? Alien Earth.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love the alien franchise.

[Mike Ryan]

Me too.

[Dan Le Batard]

I thought Romulus was my favorite.

[Mike Ryan]

Romulus is an Excellent movie.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was my favorite movie.

[Mike Ryan]

That's a proper Alien movie.

[Dan Le Batard]

Great Alien movie. And I ratcheted up up expectations for.

[Mike Ryan]

This show, this Alien Earth. I saw the IMDb scores. They're, like, in the nines.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know who's in this show?

[Greg Cody]

Who?

[Dan Le Batard]

Timothy Oliphant.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, yeah. He's got, like, white hair.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love that dude. He's really good. Who's the guy that he looks like?

[Tony]

Timothy Oliphant Looks like another guy.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Josh Duhamel.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, that's who it is.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tony]

They both get kind of confused.

[Dan Le Batard]

You ever watch Justified? Goggins is in that one.

[Mike Ryan]

Yep. Is Goggins in Alien Earth?

[Stugotz]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

He would make a great Android.

[Mike Ryan]

That's too bad. Yeah. So. So no one has seen it yet. This Alien Earth, it just.

[Tony]

So hold on to me.

[Greg Cody]

So.

[Tony]

So we've got the original Alien movie.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, well, there's. There's a bunch of them. Yeah.

[Tony]

But, like, there's the original one, and then all the other ones are playing off of this one. So, like, where are we in the timeline?

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know because I haven't watched the show yet last night. But, for instance, like, Alien, Romulus, which came out last year, takes place between Alien and Aliens.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. This is. But this TV series, in terms of timeline. Second earliest on the. On the timeline behind Prometheus, because Prometheus. Well, I guess Prometheus had a sequel, so those first two are first in the timeline. This happens before Ripley, I believe.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, okay. All right. All right. So this is. Well, it's not in the past. It's an hour past, but it's in the future. Because the aliens.

[Dan Le Batard]

Alien universe, it's in the cinematic timeline. Pass. But in our future.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Here, because it hasn't happened yet. It's like.

[Mike Ryan]

You understand how time works, Billy.

[Stugotz]

I understand how time works. Usually there's a past and there's a future.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

This you're saying is both.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Yeah. Well, it's. It's our past. The original Alien is our past. That movie came out in the late 70s. Yeah, but it's. It takes place in the future because it's in, like, the year 2300.

[Stugotz]

That's a problem, is that we're quickly getting to the future of the past. I mean, we are in the future of the past, but, you know, we now are living in times that in cinema of yonder year, this was the future.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

And to be honest with you, kind of disappointing. We haven't really made as much of the future as they were anticipating.

[Dan Le Batard]

I saw something on Instagram, like a tile, and I was on a gummy, and it just freaked me out.

[Stugotz]

Oh, I think I know what this is.

[Dan Le Batard]

The universe already ended, and we're just living in its echo.

[Stugotz]

That's not what I saw.

[Mike Ryan]

You think that could be true?

[Dan Le Batard]

Think about that.

[Tony]

Let my boy cook.

[Stugotz]

What does that mean?

[Dan Le Batard]

The universe has already ended? Yeah, we're living in its echo. It just hasn't reached us.

[Tony]

No, I feel you. Because when you see a star, that star has probably been dead for hundreds of millions of years and we don't know it. And we're just seeing the light of it now from wherever it came from. And it's already dead.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

These are the things I think about when I'm on 10 milligrams.

[Stugotz]

No, but that is. I don't understand.

[Dan Le Batard]

The universe is already over, pal.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Billy, you understand how time works.

[Stugotz]

Be over if the universe was over.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no, no. It's like a plane going overhead.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You see it go overhead, and then a little bit later, you hear the sound. Because the speed of sound.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but I'm like. I'm moving my hands. I'm not dead.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but you understand like when they say, like, oh, that's, you know, like 200 million light years away.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but the stock. You're just seeing it. I'm living this, so it's not. Someone could be seeing just light years from now. You're in seeing it, but I'm still doing this. So someone will see this in light years. You know how, like, I'm presently still alive.

[Mike Ryan]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

But you know how in disaster movies, like, an asteroid hits the Earth?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. And where it hits like that, that. That spot gets blown up.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. They're dead.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it takes like a couple minutes to catch up to, like, the other coast. Yeah, that's what. That's what's happening now.

[Tony]

But just extrapolate that over hundreds of light year. Hundreds of millions of light years or billions of light years. And the time.

[Stugotz]

No, but you are alive still. They will experience it in light years. But you're still alive right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

When they experience it, you might be dead, but you're still alive.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, we're gonna.

[Mike Ryan]

Correct.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're gonna live out our lives, hopefully on this Earth, despite the universe being dead.

[Greg Cody]

Another concept of time that is under mauled is the fact that there really is no such thing as the present. Because what I'm saying right now is instantly in the past. And what I'm about to say is in the future. So the present as we define it. The present is fleeting. It's gone. What I just said. The past now the future. You know what I'm saying? There's no present.

[Stugotz]

No, there is a present in the present. It's just very short lived in that.

[Greg Cody]

What you just said is in the past.

[Stugotz]

Yes, it was present when I said it.

[Tony]

Now it's in the past.

[Stugotz]

Are you guys on gummies now? What's going on?

[Dan Le Batard]

I did go to clips last night.

[Stugotz]

What is that? That a haircutting place?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, basically.

[Tony]

That'd be nice though.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's oasis for but it's like blow aces.

[Mike Ryan]

So to sum up, I'm not the only one excited for alien Earth.

[Tony]

I'll check it out.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

You will not check it out. You're not a sci fi guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look at all these amazing things that we're creating. Even though the universe is over.

[Mike Ryan]

Tony, best sci fi movie?

[Tony]

Oh, I don't know.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, big sci fi guy.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Tony]

No, I mean so many to choose. There's a thousand movies.

[Stugotz]

It's like great.

[Dan Le Batard]

I like for Taylor Swift.

[Tony]

The original Predator.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a great one.

[Mike Ryan]

Good answer.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's my. That's my favorite sci fi movie too. I do like the end of the Matrix.

[Tony]

Matrix is fun. I like the Matrix.

[Mike Ryan]

Good answer.

[Dan Le Batard]

We could also be living in that. Even though the universe is over, we are. This could all be a simulation.

[Tony]

Which pill did you take?

[Dan Le Batard]

The 10 milligrams one.

[Mike Ryan]

I told you.

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[Stugotz]

We've got a lot of work to do.

[Tony]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don LeBatard. Yeah, very.

[Chris Cody]

Imagine if someone told you you couldn't have a Corvette.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Greg Cody]

I'm a grown ass man who's not. Who's not. Not filthy rich. I can't afford a Lamborghini. Well, I probably can, but that's.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. Did we. Dana White spoke yesterday, Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm more confused than ever, pal.

[Mike Ryan]

So, Dana White spoke yesterday. Greg, you know that there. There are all these new streaming deals. Yeah. That have been announced. We've been talking about it a lot here. ESPN and wwe. ESPN NFL. Which, by the way, I saw yesterday someone said the ESPN NFL thing may not take place until 2027. Boy, way to get my hopes up. That's a couple years.

[Tony]

But now we know where Red Zone is.

[Stugotz]

No, we don't. Where is Red Zone?

[Tony]

If it's. If it happens in 2027, red zone's gonna be right in Hulu, right where we want it.

[Mike Ryan]

And then we also found out most recently that UFC has a deal with Paramount for $7.7 billion over seven years.

[Dan Le Batard]

Greg wrote a column on this.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, did you?

[Greg Cody]

I did. In today's Miami Herald, if you want to take a look at it. Double the ESPN deal right now with ufc. It's. I'm telling you, I don't particularly. No offense, Tony. I'm not a huge UFC fan. I don't particularly have much admiration for Dana White, but respect this league Led by him, this sport is taking over the world. It's global. It's global in a way that the NFL and NBA aspire to be. I mean, UFC's a monster, but no offense, Tony.

[Tony]

No, you kind of made all my points for me.

[Chris Cody]

That's why you were like kind of praising his.

[Stugotz]

I did see Ariel Helwani though, on. I think he was on with Bill Simmons where he was kind of saying like, well, this is going to be an interesting stretch for them with CBS and Paramount because in terms of like social where they get aggregated, there's a lot of clips. ESPN social reach combined across their platforms is over 300 million, where the Paramount and CBS is only like 30 million. So while they are getting a lot more money, is this going to be a thing where now they lose exposure? They lose it being out there. And then he was also comparing it to when ESPN lost NHL. What if ESPN just decides, you know what, now we're not going to cover UFC anymore and then what happens to the sport if they don't have as much reach and the largest, you know, media entity covering sports just decides we're not going to cover it for the time being like they did with hockey for a little bit.

[Mike Ryan]

Could that be possible, do you think that could be the case that ESPN will take a step back because proof.

[Dan Le Batard]

Of concept like Billy highlighted, they stop paying attention to hockey altogether.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, but I think the, I think the main difference of that though is there's still a major gambling aspect when it comes to ufc.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think they'll set send like maybe a personality or two to big time fights, I mean big fights, and they'll break it down in a way that there was a model there for ESPN before they had the rights where they tried to pay attention to it, but it had to be a mega fight. And I think.

[Mike Ryan]

But the gambling was not as huge then.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a fair point. But they tend to just talk NFL, NBA. And if they have the rights, they'll use that programming to kind of pump people there. They did it. They use first take a lot of. But even with like their boxing, you'll all of a sudden see a boxing segment out of nowhere because they have the rights to push that. If they have no rights to it, they are not incentivized to it. And you may actually see a lot of that time that was dedicated to the ufc. Go to the other TKO property, wwe. But here's where I'm confused. We were told this is the end of the pay per view era.

[Mike Ryan]

Good.

[Dan Le Batard]

You Go. But you go behind this paywall, you go behind this paywall, you get everything. Which is massive for the sport.

[Mike Ryan]

Big win.

[Dan Le Batard]

You can kind of tangentially follow this sport now where I'm not going to spend, you know, 60, some odd dollars.

[Tony]

On every 90 bucks.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really? 90, is it that much?

[Tony]

It's 79.99 plus tax. Ends up being 90, 50.

[Stugotz]

I mean, you know a guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I'm not gonna, not gonna do that for every card. I've done that for maybe four cards a year. But now if you're, if it's coming with my Paramount plus I don't have to feel like, ah, I gotta be dialed into this. I gotta watch this. It can go up on a second screen and I could just pay attention there. I think it's going to be huge. No pay per views. That's amazing. That's a win for the consumer. Dana White came out yesterday, said, not so fast, my friend on the pay per View thing. He reserves a right to still do pay per view events. Can we figure this stuff out when we are announcing.

[Tony]

It's big fights, Mike, that, that's what you're going to be looking at.

[Dan Le Batard]

But the big fights are supposed to. That's what the seven point. That's what the money's for.

[Tony]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean they're getting $7.7 billion and they still make charge us for pay per view.

[Tony]

Yes. But if you're talking about something so big, something so massive that can charge 100, 120 bucks for a pay per view setting, like July 4th, White House lawn, biggest card of all time. If they can put all these massive fights together, all of a sudden you're looking and being like, yeah, we're not going to hide that behind. 13.99 at Paramount. We're going to charge 100 bucks.

[Chris Cody]

Better be Trump fighting.

[Tony]

People are gonna, people are gonna, they're gonna buy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Better be.

[Stugotz]

It's got to be 1776. Not a penny more, not a penny less.

[Chris Cody]

Who's Trump?

[Tony]

1700 bucks.

[Dan Le Batard]

$250 for the, the anniversary Trump versus Greg Cody.

[Tony]

And I pay for that.

[Dan Le Batard]

You saw this other thing. Who wins there? There's an ESPN plus Fox team up streamer now. You know that was, that's different than the one that got shut down. Where was Fox Confusing ESPN and hbo.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are we doing? What am I paying for? Stop announcing streamers that don't exist yet. I need proof of concept. What is this gonna look like? How much? Stop scaring me. Stop scaring me into what? I'm gonna pay for that. Why are these.

[Tony]

Mike, we're gonna go back to the future. We're going back to the future. We're gonna just get cable again, like Alien. Exactly.

[Mike Ryan]

Bill, you understand how time works now.

[Tony]

You see it, right? We're going back to the future. Anyways, let's really quick about the Paramount thing. And I think Billy brought up an.

[Stugotz]

Interesting point where Ariel's. I stole it from Ariel.

[Greg Cody]

Sure.

[Tony]

But like the point that you made, that Ariel made, that you brought here to us right now, the 300 million across all platforms when it comes to social versus CBS's and Paramount, 30 million. UFC is in a very interesting, like point where they are probably the most social media friendly sport because of the, of the instantaneous way and things happen. Right. Knockout submission this that. You don't need the, the buildup of an NFL play, an NBA play, a major league baseball play soccer this that. It's like six seconds, boom, you're out and you're gonna get seen a million times over.

[Mike Ryan]

Right?

[Tony]

So I think what the UFC is doing is they're betting, saying, I think as a brand, socially, we're big enough that wherever we go, people are going to follow and people are going to go look at the, the things on those pages.

[Chris Cody]

Right.

[Tony]

I don't think ESPN is the end all, be all when it comes to UFC or MMA social clips. They can put that out on their own stuff. CBS can do whatever they want, but it just feels like that's the bet they're making, is we're big enough where we can do it on our own and it doesn't really matter.

[Greg Cody]

And you know, this impresses me too, about this deal about UFC getting a billion dollar a year deal, because it comes at a time when a public perception and Ariel Helwani has said this UFC is looking for its next big superstar. They're on a little bit of a lull right now.

[Tony]

I believe they found it okay. Ilya Toporia.

[Stugotz]

That's their $7 billion.

[Greg Cody]

I know, but, but that's faith in the brand. Like even if they don't have all of the big superstars right now, that's faith in the brand. UFC is so big, so global, so prominent. Even if it's in a temporary lull, the faith in the brand is 7.7 billion. That's impressive.

[Tony]

And it's growing.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Tony]

Like you're, you're not seeing all these American fighters becoming champions. You're seeing worldwide dominance from all over the globe and people are falling in love.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. A bunch of Arab fighters. My son loves the Arab fight.

[Tony]

Big one this weekend.