Hour 2: A Record-Breakingly Offensive Hour (feat. Dr. Fred Johnson)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz: Hour 2

"A Record-Breakingly Offensive Hour" (feat. Dr. Fred Johnson)

Date: April 22, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This hour of The Dan Le Batard Show is a chaotic, irreverent mix of sports conversation, comedic banter, and a headline-making, cringe-inducing guest segment with "leadership coach" Dr. Fred Johnson. The show covers NFL Draft culture, the importance of team chemistry, catchphrase lore, and various offbeat tangents, culminating in a moment that left the crew speechless and reflecting on boundaries in sports talk.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Setting the Table

• The hour opens with playful banter about generic names and the value of simple, straightforward monikers like "Fred Johnson"—prompted by guest Dr. Fred Johnson’s appearance.
• Greg Cody: Loves simple names because his own was often mispronounced, setting up a light mood before the guest comes on. (02:21)

2. Introducing Dr. Fred Johnson: Leadership Consultant

• Dr. Johnson is introduced as a "doctor of leadership" who consults for multiple NFL teams, including the Dolphins and the Seahawks.
  • Juju: "The reason we're having him on is because he's also worked with the Dolphins and the Dolphins are in need of leadership." (03:24)

3. What NFL Teams Want from Leadership Consultants

• Dr. Johnson says NFL teams call him to analyze whether a potential draft pick can uplift or harm the locker room. (05:25)
  • Dr. Fred Johnson (on why he’s called): "Because they're wanting to figure out if that player...is either going to give lift to their locker room or tear up their locker room. That's bottom line." (05:25)
• He describes his job as quickly assessing authenticity and team-first mentality.
  • Dr. Fred Johnson: "It's my job to figure that out within 10 minutes." (05:49)
• Greg Cody translates: "So you're basically a professional bullshit smeller." (06:49)
• Dr. Johnson confirms, noting that there’s more "bullshit" in coaching suites than in locker rooms. (07:00)

4. The "Expertise" and Controversy

• Dr. Johnson stresses his track record, listing players he advised for or against, including a dark anecdote about Aaron Hernandez.
  • Dr. Fred Johnson: "I interviewed Aaron Hernandez back in 2010...I said, if you hire this guy...he will kill your team." (07:23)
• He praises high-character athletes like Eric Berry and Calais Campbell and claims these are the types you need to win a Super Bowl. (08:15-09:06)
  • Dr. Fred Johnson: "I've never seen a great team that had a poor culture. I've never seen it." (09:06)
• At Juju’s urging, Dr. Johnson admits he sometimes gets fooled but claims findings ultimately bear out.
  • "You can get through the front door, but ultimately you can't get to the vault." (10:00)

5. The Seahawks and Credentials

• Dr. Johnson boasts about his influence with Seattle, stating the organization followed his seven draft recommendations en route to a Super Bowl win. (10:28-10:56)
  • Juju: "That's you nailing it more than anyone in the sport." (10:44)

6. The Awkwardness: "Would You Want Your Daughter Dating Me?"

• Tony (co-host) playfully asks if Dr. Johnson can read his character remotely.
• Dr. Fred Johnson: "Well, yeah, I wouldn't want my daughter dating you." (11:16)
• The room falls silent, shocked and uncomfortable. Laughter is awkward as the crew attempts to transition.
• The segment abruptly ends—catapulting the show into introspection.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Dr. Johnson's Leadership Philosophy (05:25–09:06)

• On player evaluations:
  • “It’s my job to figure out, is this guy real?... All of those are the things that I’m looking for…within 10 minutes.” (05:49)
• On NFL organizations:
  • "If I encounter a team that has executives with [a dismissive] attitude, I never have much hope for them in the future." (05:49)
• On team culture and character:
  • "I've never seen a great team that had a poor culture." (09:06)

The Aaron Hernandez Warning (07:23)

• Dr. Fred Johnson: "He may be able to fool you for a short time, but in the long run he will kill your team." (07:23)
• Trista (aside): "Dead eyes." (08:12)

The Guest’s ‘Roast’ (11:16)

• Dr. Fred Johnson: "Well, yeah, I wouldn't want my daughter dating you. You guys said you can give it out. I told you I can give it back." (11:16)
  • The crew is genuinely rattled; this lands as an offensive remark, leaving everyone shocked and without a retort.

Aftermath and Introspection (15:29–16:55)

• Juju: "I've simply never had that reaction that I just had—stunned speechless by someone...I’ve never been stunned into speechlessness by an answer where I’m paid to continue broadcasting." (15:29)
• Juju: "He did what Warren Sharp did that time… He came on with his expertise and then..." (15:29)
• Greg Cody: "And that's a leadership coach who said that, by the way." (17:04)

Team's Reaction & Processing (16:36–17:24)

• Conversation turns meta: was this the most offensive hour in the show's history? The group both cringes and jokes about the awkwardness, drawing comparisons to infamous past guests.
  • Juju: "Were having him on as an expert on being able to judge personalities and I feel like I've got a little bit of knowledge on how to judge this personality and he just gave us..."
  • Trista: "I was ready to jump on the mother table." (16:43)
  • Greg Cody: "That's a leadership coach who said that, by the way." (17:04)
  • Juju: "I just can't." (17:08)

Lighthearted Catchphrase Exploration (17:30–41:52)

• Reeling from the earlier encounter, the crew returns to safer ground by dissecting Greg Cody’s catchphrases:
  • "Fuller than Vern Fuller"—meaning feeling stuffed after a meal.
  • "Hee Haw 3 bidet up"—Cody's strike-three umpire call from childhood games.
  • "One-armed paper hanger," "one-legged punter"—debates about phrases signifying busy/hopeless situations.
• The group debates the physics of one-legged punting, riffing on Cody's literalism and penchant for underdog encouragement.
  • Greg Cody: “If you're out there with one leg and you aspire to be a professional ... punter, chase your dream.” (34:01)

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Important Segment Timestamps

• [03:24]–[04:41]: Greg Cody’s name musings, awkward parrot catchphrase explanations.
• [05:25]–[10:00]: Dr. Fred Johnson on NFL draft evaluation, player character, anecdotes about Hernandez and Berry.
• [11:16]: Dr. Johnson delivers the infamous "wouldn’t want my daughter dating you" line.
• [15:29]–[17:24]: Cast processes the cringe, discusses surprise, offense, and the burden of "keeping the show moving."
• [17:30]–[41:52]: Greg Cody catchphrase deep dive (Fuller than Vern Fuller, Hee Haw 3, let's go states, one-armed paper hanger, etc.)
• [43:09]–[45:47]: Greg Cody's mock draft approach, rivalry with Mel Kiper, and invention of the “super zagacto.”

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Tone and Style

• Irreverent and unpredictable: The episode lurches between absurd, heartfelt (catchphrases and family) and uncomfortably raw (Dr. Johnson’s remark).
• Meta/self-aware: The crew reacts in real time to the discomfort, discusses speechlessness, and turns that vulnerability into humor.
• Sports and personality blend: Uses draft and football as backdrop but spends much time on show lore and on the blurred line between character judgments and character assassination.

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Notable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• Greg Cody on straightforward names: "I love names like Fred Johnson, you know, Bob Edwards, Al Miller, you know, just names that are right out there." (02:21)
• Dr. Johnson on his job: "It's my job to figure that out within 10 minutes." (05:49)
• Greg Cody (summarizing): "So you're basically a professional bullshit smeller." (06:49)
• Dr. Johnson on being fooled: "You can get through the front door, but ultimately you can't get to the vault." (10:00)
• Dr. Johnson's infamous response: "Well, yeah, I wouldn't want my daughter dating you." (11:16)
• Juju reacting: "I've simply never had that reaction that I just had—stunned speechless by someone." (15:29)
• Greg Cody (mock encouragement): "If you're out there with one leg and you aspire to be a professional ... punter, chase your dream." (34:01)

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Summary

This hour of The Dan Le Batard Show is one for the highlight (and perhaps lowlight) reels: it promises the wackiness associated with Greg Cody’s quirky catchphrases, pivots into serious NFL team-building talk, and then veers hard into a moment of uncomfortable, possibly offensive live radio. The crew’s genuine surprise and subsequent introspective breakdown forms a rare behind-the-scenes look at the limits of “giving it back” and the challenges of spontaneity in live sports entertainment.

A record-breakingly offensive hour? At the very least, an unforgettable one.

Transcript

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[Dr. Fred Johnson]

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[Tony]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Dr. Fred Johnson]

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[Juju]

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[Roy]

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[Juju]

Okay, very little breath issue. I'm sure the new sponsor is very proud of how you read that. It's tomorrow night we're doing as part of our draft coverage, we're about to bring in Dr. Fred Johnson. He's the doctor of leadership in a second. And Greg Cody was saying fred Johnson seems like a name from another time. I don't know how you become a doctor of leadership, but he became a doctor of leadership and you Fred Johnson seemed like a name to you, you were saying that isn't common.

[Greg Cody]

Well, I love names like that because I grew up with a name that I always had to, you know, it was always mispronounced. I had to always spell it. So I love names like Fred Johnson, you know, Bob Edwards, Al Miller, you know, just names that are right out there. They, you know exactly what they are. You don't have to, you know, how many times in his life has Fred

[Juju]

Johnson been asked no follow up questions? That's right. You've got just, that's it. He gets to say Fred Johnson. Everyone understands. So you love names like Steve Smith.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, there you go.

[Juju]

Just real easy. You don't, you're never going to get tripped up. You don't have any follow up questions.

[Greg Cody]

Well, the. Yeah, the other thing I wanted to say about Dr. Johnson is that you got to have a lot of talent, which you do, obviously, to live up to the name leadership coach. Okay. And here's why. If you call yourself an influencer, you better influence people. Right. If you call yourself a motivational speaker, my hesitation is I'm going to say you can't motivate me. I'm going to challenge that. So when you're a leadership coach, man, you better lead. And congratulations to you. What's up, Doc?

[Juju]

Okay, he just went off the rails. And what's up, Doc? He has done work with the packers, with Jacksonville. The reason we're having him on with Seattle. The reason we're having him on is because he's also worked with the Dolphins and the Dolphins are in need of leadership. He's the founder of Initiative One and I'll get to him in a second. But Trista, do you have any follow up questions for Greg Cody on his list of catchphrases?

[Trista]

What was the screech with Ver. Good screech.

[Greg Cody]

No, it's not very good. It's very good. Very good. You know, we say it like a parrot. We say it like a parrot that may be off in the distance. You're hearing a talking parrot off in the distance saying, very good. And we're trying to get that started so that fans use it at stadiums and arenas.

[Roy]

We use it at the, at the fronton.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Roy]

And the Cyclones get a big point.

[Greg Cody]

Very good. We do. And I'd like to hear that during PGA Tour events, a guy sinks a putt, the gallery in unison goes, very good. Why? So we're trying to.

[Trista]

What's the secret to the parrot?

[Greg Cody]

Uncle Dick. Yeah, Uncle Dick will say that.

[Roy]

But Uncle Dick of Dick's Rough Riders.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, but I invented that. It's just a parrot off in the distance. What can I say?

[Juju]

Okay, we'll get back to this in a second. I want all your follow up questions, but Fred Johnson is a leadership coach and he's been waiting very patiently here and you got very self involved with that explanation. Really enjoyed it. Trista. It's a parrot that says very good out of the side of its mouth.

[Greg Cody]

Right?

[Juju]

That's it.

[Greg Cody]

As if in the distance.

[Roy]

You want people in the room to be confused on who said it.

[Greg Cody]

Poor Dr. Fred Johnson right now shaking his head.

[Juju]

General managers are finalizing their draft boards right now. Fred, so help us. When you are the founder of Initiative 1 and a franchise, self serious sacred franchise that's a billion dollar business, comes your way and is soliciting your leadership. Why and how are they doing that? Why are they coming to.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Because they're wanting to figure out if that that player that they're about to draft and for a 27 million dollar contract is either going to give lift to their locker room or tear up their locker room. That's bottom line.

[Juju]

And so you're studying personality types. You're teaching them how to measure someone's character.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Well, to be honest with you, most coaches, and it's a problem most coaches, character and leadership is a nice little add on. If I encounter a team that has executives with that kind of an attitude, I never have much hope for them in the future. So it's my role, based upon my background and my particular gifts, to be able to walk into a combine room, cut through all the polite yes sir, yes sir. They're all coached up, they're all saying the right perfect things. It's my job to figure out, is this guy real? Is it authentic? Just going through the motions, Is he full of himself? Does he care about himself? Does he put the team first? All of those are the things that I'm looking for when I walk in. And it's my job to figure that out within 10 minutes.

[Greg Cody]

Doc. So you're basically a professional bullshit smeller. You walk into the building, maybe kick the saloon door open, you look around, you go, this guy's full of shit.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

You know, that's exactly what I do. And there's a lot of it in these. Not as much in the locker rooms as there is in the coaching suites.

[Juju]

Are you saying that the reason that people come to you is because they're about to make a multimillion dollar investment and you're better at sniffing out fraud than others?

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Well, I All I can tell you, I don't know if I can sniff it out better than others. I'm just very. I'm very confident in my ability to get to what is real and, and to separate someone who you don't really want in your locker room as opposed to. That's one of the best decisions we ever made. I'll give you an example. I interviewed Aaron hernandez back in 2010. He walks in with a swagger and I'm going. They walked out and they said, man, this guy is fantastic. I said, if you hire this guy, I'm telling you, in the long run, he may be able to fool you for a short time, but in the long run, he will kill your team.

[Trista]

Dead eyes.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Yeah. Literally and figuratively. Another one was Eric Barry, who was drafted out of Tennessee by the Kansas City Chiefs. He walked in and I'm telling you, he owned the room within a moment. The guy has charisma. Walking out of every pore. You could tell he was the real deal. Earl Thomas was another one. And so, you know, I think probably my all time favorite character guy who combined both high performance and high character, which is what you want, was probably Calais Campbell or Maurice Jones.

[Dan Le Batard]

Drew.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Those are the three to four people that you want on a team. If you can have three to four people, which I call high trust, high performance guys, and you surround it with solid performers who don't bring in a bunch of drama and are not narcissists that only care about their stats and their glory, you can compete for the Super Bowl. Your culture is. Your culture will determine whether you've got a collection of individuals or you've got a team that's going to come together. I've never seen a great team that had a poor culture. I've never seen it. And I've worked with college basketball, I've worked with professional baseball, I've worked with college football in the NFL.

[Juju]

What about all the times you were wrong? What about all those times you were wrong? You're giving us all the times you got it right.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

I have been fooled. I have been fooled. And the very best can fool you in the short term. But you know, I can. I'll. I'll tell you that. That you can get through the front door, but ultimately you can't get to the vault.

[Tony]

Hello.

[Zad]

How do you find teams that you've worked with? How do you find most them balance, how strongly they feel about the player compared to how strongly you're feeling about the player?

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Well, with Seattle, I remember one year I gave them Seven recommendations. And they followed all seven recommendations. But I have deep, deep trust with John Schneider. I mean, I coached.

[Juju]

Forgive me for interrupting you. The only reason I'm interrupting you is that's you nailing it more than anyone in the sport. Nailed it. You just gave us your credentials the way Dwyane Wade did before the show. Seattle did what I told them, and they won the championship.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Well, they've come to me twice. They came to me right before they won the super bowl, and they came to me again after they won the Super Bowl.

[Tony]

Salute. Can you tell? I mean, I don't want to put you on the spot, brother. Can you tell like my character? Or is it like you have to be around me more? Or can you read me from here?

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Well, yeah, I wouldn't want my daughter dating you. You guys said you can give it out. I told you I can give it back.

[Tony]

Yes, sir.

[Roy]

Do me next.

[Greg Cody]

There you go.

[Trista]

Pause. Big time pause. Dr. Johnson.

[Juju]

Doctor, thank you for being on with us. He's the leadership coach and the founder of Initiative One. We appreciate the time.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Thank you.

[Greg Cody]

What happened?

[Juju]

We're gonna go to commercial.

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[Zad]

I did not expect that. Who could have saw Lakers going up 2 0? That's nuts.

[Juju]

I have been doing this long time and I have simply never had that reaction that I just had stunned speechless by someone. Something someone had said and I had Tim Hardaway on our show saying he hated gay people. Like I've never been stunned into speechlessness by an answer where I'm paid to continue broadcasting. I'm also paid for the judgment of being sort of the managing editor of what we're doing around here and someone surprised me so much with an offensive answer to a question that I just get stunned into speechlessness because we're having him on as an expert on being able to judge personalities and I feel like I've got a little bit of knowledge on how to judge this personality and he just gave Us. He did what Warren Sharp did that time. He came on with his expertise and then went over 16 on the games that he was picking. Like, how. How can that be the answer when we're having you on as an expert to talk about how to judge draft picks? Like, how does that. How does that even happen?

[Roy]

Can we one time for juju's grace in that spot?

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Juju]

Good job. Good job. Better man than me.

[Trista]

I was ready to jump on the mother table.

[Juju]

I've never had that happen to me before where I just. I don't know what I. I don't know what to say.

[Greg Cody]

You're also pretty stunned. Yesterday when I brought up the FIU story, you didn't say anything there for five seconds.

[Roy]

Should I put it in the club? I'll think about it. We'll circle back.

[Greg Cody]

And that's a leadership coach who said that, by the way.

[Juju]

I just can't.

[Zad]

That was such bad judgment.

[Juju]

We're having him on because his judgment just made a champion Seahawks team, and he could tell that Aaron Hernandez was a murderer.

[Roy]

Good shout by him.

[Tony]

Dummy up. Say bop. Am I right?

[Greg Cody]

Yes. Well put.

[Juju]

Krista, what other questions do you have about his catchphrases?

[Trista]

Hams. What about the hams?

[Greg Cody]

Oh, when it's. When it's really, you know, in a freezer, when the hams are hanging on hooks, you're walking into an industrial freezer where it's probably about, you know, 45 degrees or something of that nature. And so when it's so cold in here, there ought to be hams hanging 45 degrees. That's like your fridge. Your fridge is cold in there.

[Juju]

It'll be freezing. It's got to be freezing.

[Greg Cody]

It's lower than freezing.

[Juju]

Can you explain to her?

[Greg Cody]

Fuller, 20, probably 25.

[Juju]

She still doesn't understand the very first of your catchphrases. Number 50.

[Greg Cody]

She still umber fur from her fur. Yeah. I'm fuller than Vern Fuller. Verne Fuller was a nondescript journeyman second baseman who played mostly for the Cleveland, maybe entirely for the Cleveland Indians, circa mid-60s. And when I invented that phrase, I thought of the only Fuller I knew, the only person with the surname Fuller. And I invented I'm fuller than Vern Fuller. I'm coming up from the dinner table. I just had seconds. I'm a little bit bloated, man. I am fuller than Verne Fuller. And it just stuck with me. And Verne Fuller, to this day is still with us, age 82. And I mean to get him on my podcast to discuss with him and congratulate him for the honor of being one of my catchphrases.

[Juju]

You're going to bestow it on him as part of your podcast Pageantry. You and an 86 year old picturing

[Roy]

an 80 year old coming on like, all right, I've got on the zoom.

[Greg Cody]

What do you want to tell me?

[Roy]

I'm number what on your catchphrases?

[Greg Cody]

I think he'll be honored.

[Juju]

I would love to hear the original sound of your father explaining to Verne Fuller why he's having him on a podcast as an 82 year old guest. I think I would like to listen to what that conversation would sound like.

[Greg Cody]

Didn't have a batting average over.250 his entire career. Vern Fuller. Yeah, there you go. Hee Haw. Hee Haw three.

[Zad]

Well, okay, hold on. Before you explain it, what do you think that is?

[Trista]

I have.

[Zad]

Give it to her again.

[Juju]

But wait, she doesn't know. She didn't hear the little sneak at the end, which he didn't put. I don't think he put it in the original catchphrase. When we went through the top 50. I think we got to do it again.

[Greg Cody]

He didn't. He always does. He always puts it in. Always.

[Juju]

No, he didn't do the bidet up.

[Greg Cody]

But you have to take a beat or two. You can't say it immediately. It's Hee Haw 3. Pause.

[Zad]

What do you think is.

[Trista]

Oh, I didn't hear that.

[Zad]

What do you think that is?

[Trista]

Is that about a toilet? No, it's not about a bidet?

[Greg Cody]

No, no.

[Juju]

Greg, don't tell her yet. I'd like to explain this and I'd have also a visual reenactment, if you don't mind. Just. I want to tell this story again because it is a real delight. Back. Back in my day when kids played in the neighborhood with other kids for the audio audience.

[Roy]

He's getting behind Dan and Greg.

[Juju]

Cody was the umpire for the games of street ball that he, his brother and the neighborhood kids would play. He was the home plate umpire. Okay. And the. The kids. And I think I can. It can be said now, the kids were embarrassed by him consistently. And it's because his strike three, he

[Roy]

made it about himself.

[Juju]

His strike three call. Okay. If you happen to either swing and miss or take a pitch that you shouldn't have taken both times, he would call. This is his signature umpire call that would echo throughout the neighborhood.

[Greg Cody]

Hee Haw three bade. Not much of a pause there.

[Juju]

Not much of a pause. He got a little Scared under the big lights of having to go back to his umpiring past.

[Greg Cody]

Well, originally it was just hee haw 3. The bidet up came later.

[Trista]

What's the bidet?

[Greg Cody]

Bidet up is nothing but a sound.

[Roy]

Just a dismount.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, it's. It's just a sound. There's no individual meaning to it.

[Zad]

It's your day up, so you're just making up words.

[Greg Cody]

Does it.

[Roy]

Or, like, essentially. Does it have anything to do with batter up? Like the next batter he haw three. Batter up?

[Greg Cody]

No, everything. But. But that's a good.

[Juju]

That's what I. I thought.

[Zad]

It's batter up.

[Greg Cody]

No, it's not. We're gonna add that to the etymology, though.

[Roy]

But it's not true, but it could be.

[Greg Cody]

It could be. It's in the neighborhood. Thank you.

[Juju]

Please explain what it means to point at your son and say, we're going to add that to the etymology.

[Greg Cody]

Part of the catchphrase countdown is that I explained the origin of all the phrases. How they began, why they began, what they mean. Some of them are popular or even known because of this show or my own podcast. Some of them are private. The only people who've ever heard me say them are Christopher and maybe a couple of friends along the way. So there's an etymology behind all of them. You know, a backstory.

[Trista]

You're the kind of guy that. What?

[Greg Cody]

I'm the kind of guy. I'm the kind of guy that will give you that etymology whether you want it or not. You know, that kind of thing.

[Roy]

That kind of thing. Probably a top tenner.

[Greg Cody]

I'm the kind of guy that is an homage to my late, great friend Alan Cherry, who passed away, gosh, probably eight years ago or so.

[Juju]

Your singing inspiration as well made you think you could be a songwriter and a performer. Correct?

[Greg Cody]

Not a songwriter, but a performer. But a performer.

[Roy]

Who made you think you could be a songwriter?

[Greg Cody]

Well, my love of music and my ability to write sort of were a nexus for me.

[Juju]

I would love a freestyle between you and Trista at some future date, but

[Greg Cody]

that would be a collab.

[Juju]

I mean, of course. Like, that's the way to go. I'm still reeling from Dr. Fred Johnson.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, me too.

[Juju]

I'm simply not right.

[Trista]

I looked at Juju when he came on this is behind the Scenes, and I go, true story. I said, this guy seems racist.

[Roy]

She called it.

[Trista]

I said, this guy.

[Roy]

He did. With Aaron Hernandez. She called it.

[Trista]

With him, I could be Fred Johnson.

[Zad]

I got scared. I. I gave a really bad secondhand

[Greg Cody]

embarrassment I did, too.

[Zad]

I. I, like, I was. I was.

[Greg Cody]

I was very scared. I'm shocking to say.

[Roy]

I'll admit that. After Trista said it, I kind of piled on and was like, yeah, he definitely thought Lamar Jackson was a wide receiver.

[Trista]

When we get those crazy things that come out of Draft Day and they're like, oh, do you know these GMs were asking how many toothpicks will fit inside of a glass box? And do you have any outstanding babies we've never heard of? That's Fred Johnson.

[Tony]

I'm like that James Franco meme. It's just a Wednesday for me. First time, guys.

[Juju]

I just want to put up their faces side by side, side by side. You guys were afraid of Fred Johnson. You guys. Fred Johnson walked on into the doctor. Dr. Bullshit Smeller kicked open the saloon door, as Tony called him. Dr. Bullshit Smeller, who comes in and tells everybody, Seattle, all their picks. They did what I told them,

[Greg Cody]

and

[Zad]

they won the Super Bowl.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, that kind of thing.

[Juju]

I can't.

[Trista]

I'm the kind of guy that knows that Aaron Hernandez is going to kill people.

[Greg Cody]

Yes. That's what he should have said.

[Roy]

Catch.

[Tony]

His catch. Can.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, right.

[Zad]

Shocking answer he had in the holster ready to go when juju asked. And, man, can you. Can you judge me?

[Roy]

And, man, did he think it was funny. He started laughing. He was like, oh, no.

[Juju]

And the. Even. The even better part, like, his daughter's 34. Like, he's making the decisions on who his daughter dates. That throw. Throw that one in there as well.

[Greg Cody]

He wouldn't want it. Let's just be very.

[Tony]

He's not enforcing.

[Juju]

It's a sitcom. It's a sitcom. You being buddies with that guy and going through the world with him, with him making.

[Zad]

It'd be like. It's. It's like in carb.

[Greg Cody]

It's.

[Zad]

It's Larry David and what's his name?

[Tony]

Davey Smooth.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Yes, sir.

[Zad]

That's right. You'd live together.

[Juju]

I'm. What I'm telling you is that I can't write a better skit than what just happened on our show, where we're telling the audience, this is a man who judges people correctly. Four football teams. That's how. That's the whole setup. It's the whole. If I were writing a comedy hour on how to do this, let me bring somebody in who's a doctor. I'm gonna inform the audience. He's a doctor and he's the leadership coach. It's unlike most guests we do around here. This is not a It's not a normal thing. Anybody who's been listening to our show might have been suspicious from the beginning. Why are they even doing this? This isn't something that they normally do. Why is this person on? Just in general, our audience might have been surprised by that guest. To have that go that way. Stunned into silence for the first time in my career. At the end of it, old freedom fighter Dan, just so stunned that he cannot speak.

[Trista]

Never really been part of true racism where you could stand up and fight, Dan. Only in theory.

[Juju]

I'm on the front lines.

[Greg Cody]

You were silent.

[Juju]

Silenced by Fred Johnson and his doctor credentials.

[Greg Cody]

You always think that when you see somebody robbing somebody else, you're like, I'm gonna step in and do something about it. And then they run off with the person. You're like, I'm frozen.

[Zad]

Do you think we could hear it in your voice when you said goodbye?

[Juju]

I didn't know. I don't remember. I blacked out. I don't remember how I said goodbye. I think my eyes were closed. I was trying to figure out how

[Zad]

I was embarrassed through the height of

[Juju]

both offense and embarrassment. Do I respond without embarrassing everybody involved?

[Trista]

He thought it was an excellent joke. He was like, you said. He said I needed to be able to dish it out, and I dished it.

[Zad]

Yeah. He was like, yeah, clip this out, too.

[Tony]

Look. What a bad day for Dan's inner monologue to not be here. Goodness gracious alive.

[Juju]

That would have been great for that. To make an appearance during Dr. Fred Johnson.

[Zad]

Who feels worse right now, you or him?

[Tony]

I think my boy flying high right now. He told us, all right, y' all f with me.

[Juju]

I think I feel worse. I think he doesn't know what's going on.

[Roy]

Picturing Ron Burgundy after he says, go bleep yourself, San Diego. He's like, good show, everyone. Yep, good job.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Zad]

Like, is he saying himself? I thought they were gonna have me on for longer.

[Roy]

His goodbye did make it seem like he was like, ooh, did I do something wrong?

[Trista]

I could see him mouthing. Still. He was on Zoom. And I'm like, we need. We need to either go to break or like, we need him off Zoom.

[Roy]

Good times.

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[Greg Cody]

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[Roy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Greg Cody]

Yo.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together in unison knows to stand up on their feet? Oh, absolutely, Mike.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Been at many big time sporting events. You know that moment quite well. That's what it's like when you take your first sip of Cuervo.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, delicious.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's the signal that says we're not checking the time anymore, pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. Cuervo, man. It's that high five. A random stranger effect. That's right. The game is popping. You're hugging people you never met before. That's the kind of energy that Cuervo brings. It's so smooth, so delicious. That's the Cuervo effect. Keep it Cuervo.

[Tony]

Don LeBatard. I ain't never met nobody in the world that's done Hate on Blues.

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Great nomination.

[Tony]

Like who don't like Blue's Clues? Bruh, if you don't like Blue's Clues, you're a loser.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Tony]

Look, you get one paw print. That's the first clue. You put it in a notebook. Now what do you do? Blues Clues. Blues Clues.

[Roy]

Sit on the chair and think about it.

[Tony]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Juju]

Any other catchphrase questions?

[Trista]

States. What's up with the states?

[Greg Cody]

Let's go states. I invented that four years ago, right before the World Cup I believe, which is coming up in a month or so, couple of months. I was tired of the USA chant and so I invented let's go States as an alternative to USA us Let's go states.

[Juju]

It hasn't caught on.

[Greg Cody]

It hadn't quite caught on. But at the same time Mike Ryan told me that he heard the crowd chanting that at live nightclub in Miami. So it has caught on.

[Roy]

He said he started the chant.

[Greg Cody]

Well, nevertheless, it was heard. Mike Ryan, a big fan of the catchphrases. I'm sorry to miss him today.

[Juju]

Everyone is.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Thank you.

[Trista]

One paper hanger.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, one arm paper hanger. We had on our current episode that just came out. We had Field Yates on the ESPN guy talking about the draft. And I said field special thanks for you being on at this time of year because you're busy in a one armed paper hanger. What that means paper hangers. They were a thing. I don't even know if kids nowadays know what a paper hanger is, but

[Juju]

put it on the poll at Levitage show. Do kids today know what a paper hanger is?

[Dr. Fred Johnson]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

You'd be on a step ladder with wallpaper which had glue on one side of it and. And with a particular brush you'd be hanging paper. And it was a two handed job to say the least. And so if you're busier than a one armed paper hanger, it's like being the alternative to that is I'm busier than a one legged punter. You can't punt with one leg and you can't hang wallpaper with one arm. So that was a natural for me. I wanted to invent something that, that said busy.

[Trista]

That's actually not busy. If you can't do it then you're not busy.

[Greg Cody]

I know, but, but if you, if, if you can do it, it would be.

[Roy]

It would if you had to do it one arm.

[Greg Cody]

Right. I'm busy in a one arm paper hanger. What's busier than that?

[Roy]

Well, I wouldn't be that busy. I'd be so focused on doing this thing that's hard to do. I probably wouldn't be that busy.

[Greg Cody]

Well, let's not split hairs, that kind of thing. Exactly. Well said.

[Juju]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Is a one legged punter busier? Busiest.

[Greg Cody]

Imagine being a one legged punter.

[Roy]

Yes or no?

[Greg Cody]

You would be working so hard. I would love to see somebody try it. You know, if you're out there with one leg and you aspire to be a professional called football player as a punter, chase your dream.

[Juju]

No, don't do that.

[Greg Cody]

Chase your dream.

[Juju]

Physics are against you. You won't be able to do it.

[Roy]

Be hard to chase anything.

[Greg Cody]

He's been the one legged man has been told all his life he can't

[Juju]

do it because he can't. Because he needs to hop to your dream.

[Greg Cody]

Exactly.

[Juju]

You said it, Greg. The one legged punter needs to get some of the power from the other leg. It's not. You can. What you're describing is not a physical possibility. There is no possibility of somebody who's a one leg punter being able to successfully punt in the NFL.

[Greg Cody]

He's been told that his whole life.

[Zad]

If he gets past the initial punt coverage, like it'd be tough to count on him to, you know, he's not making any tackles. Be the last man.

[Greg Cody]

No, he's not making any tackles.

[Zad]

Tripping people last defense.

[Greg Cody]

It's physically.

[Juju]

It's a penalty.

[Greg Cody]

It is ability. It is physically possible.

[Juju]

No.

[Greg Cody]

To punt with. No.

[Juju]

But not, not, not professionally.

[Greg Cody]

Not.

[Juju]

Well, like you can.

[Greg Cody]

I didn't say. Well, I didn't say he's busy. Than a one legged. Excellent Pro Bowl.

[Zad]

I don't think physics can allow you to punt with one leg.

[Roy]

I'm gonna try to do it.

[Juju]

No, you could probably. No, you can do it. But you got two legs.

[Greg Cody]

You do with two legs.

[Juju]

No hang time. You can do it. You can, you can do it. But you're gonna land. You're gonna land on your ass jump.

[Roy]

Essentially.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Juju]

You'll land on your four yard punt. You're gonna kick it in the line a lot.

[Zad]

Like all of a sudden he's gonna punt and he's be lying. He's gonna like he's he fell and he was lying on the ground.

[Greg Cody]

You would fall after contact. That's true, but that doesn't mean you

[Juju]

ball at the pudding. I'll even grant you that. We've got such a remarkable acrobat that he's able every time to jump up with one leg, kick a football, and then land on that same leg. I'll even grant you that.

[Greg Cody]

Thank you.

[Juju]

The ball's going 4 yards.

[Greg Cody]

Nope, it's going 28 yards with hang time. That's because he's got power in that leg.

[Juju]

There's so many. There's so many shanks.

[Greg Cody]

He is right about this. I know where he's going. You have a stronger leg if you got one leg. Thank you.

[Juju]

You.

[Trista]

If the quadriplegic guy can kill somebody while driving, anything's possible.

[Greg Cody]

He was driving. It was a drive by. Yeah, drive by, that's right. No way. No, that can't be true. The cornhole guy. The cornhole guy was. Was a drive by shooting.

[Tony]

Well, it was not a drive.

[Greg Cody]

Okay, he can. What are we doing? He steers with stub stubs for. Okay, but how about the gun into the mic? And he also does this.

[Juju]

That's one I don't want near the mic. That one I don't want any closer to the mic than Dr. Fred Johnson.

[Roy]

Doesn't even crack the top five for problematic shit. That's out.

[Greg Cody]

I was asked about one legged punter. I explained it, that's all.

[Trista]

No, you weren't. You were asked about the one leg one arm paper hanger.

[Greg Cody]

Oh yeah, right. One arm paper hanger.

[Trista]

I think we got to retire with that one. As more we peel back the onion, the less it holds water.

[Greg Cody]

I will say that it's more realistic to be a one arm paper hanger than it is to be a one legged punter. But again, the people out there with one leg and there are dozens.

[Zad]

Again, we're doing this dozens.

[Greg Cody]

I'm. And I say chase your dream. Just a comp. If you want to be a one legged.

[Juju]

I'm saying don't chase your dream. Yeah, I don't like active. I'm active.

[Greg Cody]

Look, you're first off, you didn't stop racism when it happened and now you're against one legged people chasing their dreams.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you imagine?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, Greg. Yeah, sick. No, it's. It's twisted. Very disappointing. Crazy town. You got to stand up for it. We don't even call them handicapped anymore, by the way. We don't call them handicapped. They may be disadvantaged by their physical

[Roy]

abilities, but you Get a power through.

[Juju]

Dad, just stop. Stop. Just stop.

[Greg Cody]

I'm. I'm standing up for the man who stands up on one leg. I'm behind Greg. Thank you. And women. The one legged women out there. You know, flag football is happening like in the Sopranos. Yeah, right. I've said nothing wrong. I explained. One legged punter.

[Roy]

Yeah, nothing. Right.

[Greg Cody]

One legged paper hanger.

[Juju]

Flag football is out there.

[Greg Cody]

In other words, women can be one legged punters too. That's all I'm saying. He's an ally. Thank you, Roy. Neil rogers. Uncle neil.

[Roy]

Enjoy that swig.

[Juju]

Take a swig.

[Greg Cody]

I got nothing left.

[Juju]

That's good. That's what it's going to say on his tombstone. We got to put that on the tombstone. Put that among the nominees. I got nothing left. Him petering out when we're still on live, taking vigorous swigs.

[Greg Cody]

Vigorous when casual. Swigs when

[Juju]

dropping hall of Fame gold non stop. On the one legged punter who's not physically possible and cannot chase his dreams, literally or otherwise, because the physics of kicking a football require the second leg and the power of the glutes and everything else. And you're not going to have it if you're just swinging it without the ability to swing another leg. The physics of it. That's the most perfectly placed catchphrase of all time.

[Trista]

I have. I have one more and we'll circle back to punt. But not going to take a quiz is the last one that I have on my list.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, not going to take a quiz. That's actually something I generally say as an excuse. Excuse for. I have no idea what you just asked me. You know, like. Like I'm not going to take a quiz as a way of saying I don't know without really admitting it.

[Juju]

If you haven't heard him on the show. Whenever we've trapped him in something and we know that he doesn't know something, that is when he declines to take the quiz. It's 100% truth test. If he declines to take the test, it's an admission without being an admission.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. And I'll give you an example if somebody asked me right now. Name five starters for the Milwaukee Brewers. Okay, I can't do it, but I don't want to appear stupid. So I'm going to say I'm not going to take a quiz. As if insulted by the question, not flummoxed by it.

[Roy]

Who is the Marlin starting third baseman?

[Juju]

No, let's not do this to him. That's not. That's not the Game. He wants to play.

[Roy]

Yeah, I was trying to team him

[Greg Cody]

up to say it. I mean, give it to me.

[Juju]

He'd say it if he knew.

[Roy]

No, I meant to say the phrase.

[Greg Cody]

No. The Milwaukee Brewers. I don't know. The Marlins. I know.

[Roy]

So third baseman.

[Greg Cody]

But I'm not going to take a quiz.

[Juju]

So there you go.

[Roy]

And punt, if you're asking, is just during football games, anytime there's a punt, he just says the word. Very low punt.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Juju]

But no, it's not just any time there's a punt. And this is, this will be part of the wonderful experience tomorrow night. I don't know what's going to happen when we're interfering. Greg Cody's workday. This is an important time of year. Zad, you had some questions when he was trying to get an army of thousands to make him a cup of coffee, you had a question about how seriously he takes draft night. But this is an important time of the year to him. He takes pride in beating Mel Kuyper Jr. Every year. And so I don't know what catchphrase is going to make an appearance tomorrow night during our watch party. But punt is something that he says that way when the ball makes contact at the precise time that it makes contact with the foot and it is meant to recreate the sound that the ball makes when it hits the foot. So he does it in NFL games whenever there's a punt at exactly the moment the ball hits the punter's foot.

[Greg Cody]

Right. And I do that at all times. Like my wife and I will be watching a game on TV and I'll go punt because to me it's the sound that the foot on ball makes.

[Roy]

Kind of an onomatopoeia situation.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, you could say that.

[Juju]

I don't know that you could say that. Put it on the poll.

[Roy]

Thank you.

[Juju]

Tony at lebartard show. Juju, does the word punt sound like the ball hitting the foot during a punch?

[Greg Cody]

It sure does. I don't want to influence the jury, but that.

[Roy]

What about the one legged. That sound any different?

[Greg Cody]

I don't know. I've never.

[Roy]

A little softer.

[Greg Cody]

I've never witnessed a one legged punt.

[Zad]

So I do have a couple questions. Yeah, I see that your mock draft came out today. Very big day for you.

[Greg Cody]

Actually, it came out yesterday afternoon.

[Roy]

Today in print.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Zad]

So are you specifically going like, do you specifically go after Mel Kuiper? That's my first question. Is it specifically about being better than Mel Kuiper?

[Greg Cody]

I use him as an example because he's King Kuiper. You know, when you think of mock drafts, you think of Mel Kuiper. He didn't invent the mock draft, but he was at the forefront of it. And. And I've been doing mine since 1991, so I've been doing it a lot longer than 90% of everybody who does a mock draft now, which is everybody and their mother.

[Roy]

But the inventor of the mock draft is.

[Greg Cody]

I like to think of it as Joel Bucksbaum.

[Roy]

Karl Mock.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, there you go.

[Zad]

All right, next question.

[Greg Cody]

How many baseball manager.

[Zad]

Exact. Those are when you get the pick. Right. How many of those is a successful draft for you?

[Greg Cody]

Exact. Those are the correct player to the correct team or in the correct draft order. Okay.

[Roy]

Remember, there's a difference between an exacto and a zugacto.

[Greg Cody]

Well, the exacto has come to be known as the zagacto. They are the same, though. Now, the super zagacto is when you get exact player to exact team in exact order. Okay. Last year I got nine of those. I led Junior the entire draft.

[Roy]

You just created a super zagacto. No, it's exacto and zagak.

[Juju]

I don't think I've been doing this for years. I don't think I've ever heard of a super zagato.

[Greg Cody]

I think you've heard that one.

[Juju]

No one in this. He's got to evolve in the modern age.

[Greg Cody]

I think last year he had super sigacta. The super Zach was the trifecta. Right player to right team in right order.

[Juju]

You had nine of those last year.

[Greg Cody]

I had nine. Junior. I led him nine, seven. Late in the draft. He hit too late and ended up beating me 11. 9. I had beat him three previous years, but. But he edged me out last year, so I'm out for. I'm out for blood tomorrow night.

[Zad]

I feel like nine is pretty good.

[Greg Cody]

It's pretty good.

[Juju]

Nine supers. A gag. Those.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, yeah. And. And now the only gimme in the entire draft is Fernando Mendoza at number one. That's the only gimme because there's even debate on number two. Will it be.

[Juju]

We've been talking about. Will it be Bailey, the respect on the name thing? Him calling Mel Kuyper Jr. Again and again is a bar.

[Roy]

Also called him King Kuiper.

[Greg Cody]

But Junior, I like alliteration and I give him respect. You know, he may. This is the difference between he and I. He makes a yearly cottage industry of this mock draft. That's all he does. Mel, what do you do for a living? I do mock drafts. You don't hear anything about Mel for 10 months of the year, but then he's omnipresent this time of year. Whereas I, I don't do film study. You know, I don't. I'm going to be honest with you. I don't talk to scouts. I might call up somebody I know in a, in a opposing city and say, hey, who do you hear the packers might be taking? But I'm not. You know, I look at, I do look at other people's drafts, but I don't follow their drafts. That's why, that's why Kuyper and I always differ on so many.

[Juju]

Do you guys think we set a record for so many offensive things said this hour in the history of our show? Was this a record breaking hour? Do we just produce a record breakingly offensive hour?

[Greg Cody]

We did it everybody.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a play on for me.

[Roy]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Sports fans, all the sports are coming together. It's a great time to just sit on your couch. Text your friend, hey, come over. Let's watch the games. And when I do that to my friends, guess what? They text me back, I got the Miller Lites. That's right. They pick up Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer and they come over to my place, we take that first sip and we realize, man, we just made a regular old fashioned night into a special night. Thank you, Miller Light. And shortly thereafter, we got multiple screens on. Everybody's dialed into something different, and the whole night just keeps building and building and building. That's why I reached for Miller Lite. It can take an ordinary night and take it to an extraordinary place. It's clean, refreshing, easy to drink, brewed for taste with simple ingredients, just 96 calories and 3.2 carbs. The original light beer since 1975. And it's still hitting different. Cheers to legendary moments with Miller Light. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to Millerlight. Com Dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Light pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.