Hour 2: Carolina Mike (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 2: "Carolina Mike" (feat. Lucy Rohden)

Date: November 18, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

In this lively second hour, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew—joined by guest Lucy Rohden—navigate the college football coaching carousel (notably James Franklin's new job), debate quarterback developments, and dive into the quirks of college fandom and pop culture. Lucy brings reporting from the field and delivers her “Internet Minute,” while the group reflects on the unpredictability of both sports and the online world. The conversation is punctuated by playful banter, jokes about fashion, irreverent sports commentary, and a dose of sentimental updates on figures like Bernie Kosar.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Embracing College Football’s Culture (01:15–07:13)

• Tailgate Fandom: Lucy, Rose, and Dan swap stories about the ritual of “barking” at football games in Athens, Georgia, and contemplate if Texas Longhorns fans should respond with “moos.”
  • Notable Quote:
    “If Texas moves at people, they're just getting a lot more barks right back.” – Rose (02:20)
• Quarterback Analysis: The group dissects Arch Manning’s reputation, calling him “overrated” and a “nepo baby,” and compare him with other QBs, expressing preference for Georgia’s Gunnar Stockton.
  • Dan’s verdict:
    “Extremely overrated...He was supposed to be the Heisman front runner. No, he's not as good as people think.” (03:49)
• Coach Speculation: They muse on the value of Texas’s Sarkisian and possible job changes.

2. Behind the Scenes: Reporters and College Football Royalty (05:27–07:13)

• Lucy recounts the press box view of a game, mocking Rose for only filming Matthew McConaughey, and the crew giggles about running into McConaughey but failing to engage.
  • “All of Matthew McConaughey. She did not get shots of anything else...” – Lucy (06:18)

3. James Franklin to Virginia Tech: The Coaching Carousel (11:54–21:17)

• Franklin’s Fit: Lucy methodically explains why James Franklin is a smart (if imperfect) fit for Virginia Tech, given his recruiting ties and experience rebuilding programs.
  • Notable Quote:
    “For what Virginia Tech needs, James Franklin I think is the best guy for that job.” – Lucy (20:56)
• The Big Ten’s Changing Landscape: The group discusses how buyouts work, with Lucy demystifying contract offsets and the implication on Franklin’s salary.
  • “His contract was like, hey, we're going to give you this $50 million, but you have to go find another job...We will pay the difference.” – Lucy (17:54)
• Job Quality: Lucy and others debate whether Virginia Tech is truly a “good job” and discuss past successes and scandals at both Vandy and Penn State.

4. Coaching Carnage & Mel Tucker’s Fallout at Michigan State (22:55–24:51)

• Mel Tucker’s Rapid Rise and Fall: Lucy contextualizes Michigan State’s forfeiting victories and questions around the craziness of coaching hires/retention out of fear.
  • “The funniest part of these college football...hiring cycles is how everyone gets so scared they're willing to commit to somebody who is bad.” – Lucy (23:23)

5. Wild College Football Results and Playoff Picture (25:11–28:29)

• A&M vs. South Carolina: Lucy recaps the wild Texas A&M comeback and South Carolina’s knack for “absurdity.”
  • “That is what South Carolina is. A level of stupidity and absurdity.” – Lucy (25:44)
• Playoff Storylines: She lays out key narratives around playoff rankings, focusing on Miami/Notre Dame, Texas, Alabama, and Oklahoma.
  • “Anyone who’s telling you that Texas still has a shot at the playoff, that’s wrong...They’re dead.” – Lucy (26:51)
• Oklahoma's Defense: The defensive slugfest between Oklahoma and Alabama is described as “anemic” on offense but “lock for the playoff” thanks to the win.
  • “If your defense is that good, you're going to be competitive...I think they are a lock for the playoff right now.” – Lucy (27:23)

6. Lucy’s Internet Minute: "Carolina Mike" and the Panthers’ Secret Weapon (28:32–29:44)

• Lucy spotlights TikTok’s “Carolina Mike,” who updates his viral “$150,000” song each week and has become an unlikely good-luck charm for the Carolina Panthers.
  • Notable Moment:
    “Ever since he has started singing this song...they’ve had a very good season.” – Lucy (29:19)
  • “They have a better record than the Kansas City Chiefs.” – Stugotz (29:44)

7. Fashion, Banter, and the Art of the Insult (11:14–14:18)

• The crew debates Lucy’s hat and fashion risks, with Dan and Stugotz playfully criticizing her choices—a microcosm for the show’s irreverent, interpersonal humor.
  • Memorable exchange:
    “This is what happens, Lucy. You walk through the streets and people are complimenting you on your style. And then you walk in here and Dan says, is that a punishment?” – Lucy (13:20)
  • “I think you have to take risk in fashion. Sometimes things work out, sometimes things don't.” – Lucy (13:59)
• The group also riffs on the “I hope you have the day you deserve” Southern-style insult, celebrating its subtlety.

8. Gas Bag of the Week: Shador Sanders/Browns Debate (34:08–36:35)

• The show plays a heated Cleveland radio argument over Shador Sanders’ playing time, mocking the “gasbaggery” of sports talk culture.
  • Notable Quote:
    “This is not sports talk radio in Seattle. No, shut up for a second here...” – Ken Carman via soundbite (35:28)
• The debate leads to a playful poll: “Are you allowed to immediately retract your ‘shut up’?”

9. NBA Themes: LeBron’s Absence and the Lakers’ New Era (36:42–40:28)

• The group muses on LeBron James’ time away from the Lakers, Luka’s rise, and the sense that “the NBA hasn’t missed him.”
  • Notable Quote:
    “The stories that were told for 22 years...are coming to a close. And there are new stories that people care about now.” – Mike Malley (39:00)
  • Amin asserts LeBron will help offensively but doubts his defensive impact.

10. Updates and Personal Stories (40:28–43:16)

• Bernie Kosar’s Surgery: Greg shares that the Browns legend’s liver transplant went well and Bernie is upbeat, showing the community’s continued connection to past sports heroes.
  • “He woke up feeling great. And in Bernie style, said, 'I’m looking forward to the rest of my week and the rest of my life.'” – Greg (41:04)
• The team swaps stories, including an anecdote about Bernie Kosar paying for their meal at Chili’s.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Lucy on Insults:
  “I'm not like, go f yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.” (10:50)
• On Lane Kiffin's Future:
  “If you want someone to stay, you don’t give them an ultimatum.” – Lucy (22:44)
• Stugotz on South Carolina Football:
  “That is what South Carolina is. A level of stupidity and absurdity and just I cannot believe that happened to us.” (25:44)
• Fashion Shade:
  “Am I wrong that your hat is too straight and it's a little bit too large as well?” – Stugotz (12:41)
• On LeBron’s NBA Absence:
  “I haven't seen anywhere people like, when's LeBron coming? Nobody cares.” – Mike Malley (39:00)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:15 – Athens “barking” culture and Texas/Georgia fandom
• 03:38 – Debating Arch Manning and Gunner Stockton
• 11:54 – James Franklin to Virginia Tech, contract and coaching implications
• 17:54 – Buyout mechanics and why Franklin fits
• 22:55 – Mel Tucker, Michigan State, and extension mistakes
• 25:11 – Texas A&M wild comeback vs. South Carolina
• 26:40 – College football playoff storylines; playoff hopefuls
• 28:32 – Lucy's Internet Minute: “Carolina Mike” and the Panthers' success
• 34:08 – “Gas Bag of the Week” – Shador Sanders/Browns argument
• 36:42 – LeBron, the Lakers, and shifting NBA narratives
• 40:54 – Bernie Kosar’s liver transplant update
• 43:02 – Bernie Kosar’s Chili's story

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Overall Tone & Style

The episode balances sharp sports analysis with the show’s trademark irreverent humor. Banter is fast-paced and inside jokes abound, but thoughtful segments—especially from Lucy Rohden—provide genuine insight into college football’s inner workings. The conversation is authentic, raucous, and welcoming for both longtime listeners and newcomers.

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Transcript

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[Lucy Rodin]

Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Hey Dan, it's me, Lucy. And we're here at Texas, Georgia in beautiful Athens from the best college towns in the nation. And everybody keeps barking at me. Are you the type to bark at somebody if needed?

[Rose]

Yes.

[Lucy Rodin]

I'll give people a subtle, just woof. Like I'll be kind.

[Dan LeBatard]

I would say not often enough. I certainly do. I did three, four times on the way over here. You have to, you know, they gotta know what Athens is about.

[Rose]

I have the overalls on, I take off one of the straps and I'm like, I'm like, take this from me. And then I get down on all fours. So I reenacted.

[Lucy Rodin]

Yeah, okay.

[Rose]

And I'm like, I'm like, I'm like hustling at a fan. I'm like. And I'm like, I'm. It's like a leash, you know what I mean?

[Lucy Rodin]

So I feel like if a Texas fan came up to me, I'd probably bark. You know, if they were, if they were starting the aggression a little bit, I'd be like, ah. Do you think Texas fans should moo?

[Rose]

If Texas moves at people, they're just getting a lot more barks right back.

[Dan LeBatard]

I was about to say, yeah, this is not going to be good if they start mooing at people.

[Rose]

I think it would be hilarious.

[Dan LeBatard]

I like that. I think they should. It wouldn't be that intimidating and, but it would be entertaining for sure.

[Rose]

I was like thinking, I was like, what sound do Longhorns make? And obviously the real answer obviously is mooing. You know, like, would it be like a deep moo?

[Lucy Rodin]

Oh, definitely a deep moo. It's like guttural, like, like, I can't make this. Wait, Rose, Are y' all scared of Archmanning? Do we not care about him? What's the, what's the approach there?

[Rose]

I love, you know, I love the University of Georgia. We have the arch. I don't even know who Arch Banding.

[Lucy Rodin]

Is, honestly said, honestly not concerned at all whatsoever. I mean, he has sure some good throws every now and then, but nothing to be concerned about. He's no gunner. No gunner. I mean, Gunners, Chef's kiss, rumor has it.

[Rose]

I mean, I think he was named after the arch for the University of Georgia.

[Dan LeBatard]

So I think Arch Manning is actually rated pretty well. I think it's his auxiliary players, his running backs, wide receivers that don't bring as much of a punch as Georgia has this year.

[Rose]

Kind of like that perfectly rated, overrated, good football player when it comes to pressure, kind of falls back a little bit.

[Lucy Rodin]

Nepo, baby.

[Rose]

Yeah, I think he is coming around. He was overrated, overhyped, I should say, at the first of the season, but he's coming around. I think next year he will be a top tier quarterback.

[Dan LeBatard]

Extremely overrated. I'm not going to lie. He was supposed to be the Heisman front runner. No, he's not as good as people think. He's not bad, but he's not as good as people think he is.

[Lucy Rodin]

Okay, so who do we have here? Yeah, this is Toro and Zora. They look like Longhorns. Yeah, well, they're Bevo's backups. How long have we been doing Bevo's backups? Well, so she is 12 and he's 10 and so we've been traveling with them their whole lives. Okay, so what's. Oh, we got. We got the cord caught. Can I move your paw, buddy? You think you could be the offensive coordinator? That's a yes. Do you think Texas fans would be happy or sad if Sark decided to leave for the Titans job?

[Rose]

That's a great question. I mean, they should just be sad all the time because they're rooting for Texas. So I think they'd probably be sad because, I mean, think about it. Who else do they got? I think they would be sad because who are you going to get that's better to replace him?

[Dan LeBatard]

I think Sark Would be more sad if he left for the Titan job. I'm not going to lie. With the amount of nil money Texas has, I think he can probably spend more money with the Longhorns that he can with the Titans and be more successful.

[Lucy Rodin]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Elmo Animal. I've gotten a few of that. I've told, like, a Runway type of outfit. There's a lot of options you could go with.

[Lucy Rodin]

So how do you put this together?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, so over the course of last semester, I collected about 200 pom poms as I left the stadium, pocketing about 20 each week. Just, you know, got a shirt, some pants that I wasn't wearing anymore, and just hot glue did the trick. It was perfect.

[Lucy Rodin]

You have, like, a name you call yourself?

[Dan LeBatard]

I call myself Pompom Man. Typically pretty straightforward.

[Lucy Rodin]

Do you guys miss Carson Beck at all? Not at all. Get him out. Not even a little bit? Not even a little bit.

[Rose]

I think he's starting to show exactly the quarterback that he really is. He's a good quarterback, but when you put pressure on him and he has to come through, he's not what you think he is. I mean, when I just see him throwing his team under the bus, I mean, I'm glad he's out of here.

[Stugats]

They wanted him.

[Lucy Rodin]

Yeah. And they got it. I mean, they paid, like, 4 million. Wasn't worth that. He's not worth that. I mean.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. I mean, everybody was saying Carson Beck, it was Georgia's fault. And then he went and actually turned into Carson Beck and threw four interceptions. And, I mean, I'm just happy that he's finally revealing himself. I think he had, like, a Halloween mask on or something for the first four weeks. But, yeah, no, I'm kind of. We. We like Gunner. Gunner's our guy.

[Rose]

I mean, I've been watching him play some games and stuff, and, like, I'm definitely happy that he found his crew. I feel like he has a really good fit there. But you know what I'm about to say to that?

[Lucy Rodin]

Boo. Okay, so here's the situation. Rose's job is to film B roll on the field. Myself and Mike Malley, who you may or may not know, are up in the press box, uploading, working, watching football. So we look at Rose's footage, and it's entirely all of Matthew McConaughey. She did not get shots of anything else but Matthew McConaughey out of it, Tom. Yeah, but that is not your job. And then as we are walking down to the field to meet Rose at the end of the game, who do we meet? Matthew McConaughey. Rose. Did you meet him? No, we. We just look at each other, but he was ignoring me. All right, all right, all right, Dan. Some teams just have that dog in them and some teams don't. And that would be Texas. That doesn't. That was unpleasant. Woof. Woof.

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[Lucy Rodin]

Don LeBatard. He seems like a not nice guy, and he's always been a not nice guy. I don't care for him, and I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Greg]

Oh.

[Lucy Rodin]

Stugats.

[Stugats]

I hope he has the day he deserves.

[Lucy Rodin]

That's how I get people when they're really mean to me. I'm not like, go f yourself. I'm like, I hope you have the day you deserve.

[Stugats]

It's a great kind. It's a great kind. Insult. Yes, it's beautiful. It's leaving it to the cosmos to sort it out.

[Lucy Rodin]

That's a less Southern. Bless your heart. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Greg]

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[Stugats]

All right, we've officially beaten that joke into the ground. He's run out of Coaches to use. I don't know why he chose that. He makes some choices that are unusual around here.

[Greg]

Let me do the etymology of humor here. Part of the joke is you start with the famous coaches and then you work your way down to really, really obscure coaches.

[Lucy Rodin]

Major penalty. 5 minutes.

[Greg]

Grooming comedy enhancing comedy is more like.

[Stugats]

Okay, you can just leave for a little while. We will welcome you back after Lucy Rodin has told us of her travels. And it's too bad too because I wanted your thoughts on James Franklin. You came in here saying that Virginia Tech had a shiny toy. They just hired a shiny toy. But inst. Instead, I'll get Lucy's opinion on this instead of yours. An informed one, an expert one. Instead of, as I mentioned, yours. Welcome, Lucy. That is an ill fitting hat you are wearing. I salute you for wearing it. You shouldn't wear. Am I wrong about this? I'm not a stylish person. I just think the brim is a little too straight. I think it's a little too wide. It looks more like a canopy. Like an awning. It looks a bit like an awning there. So am I wrong that your hat is too straight and it's a little bit too large as well? I would say, man, damn. Okay.

[Lucy Rodin]

Do you want to tell me my sweatshirt's ugly too? Is the Jeremy okay Already.

[Dan LeBatard]

Already did that to me last week.

[Stugats]

I don't. I don't think your sweatshirt is ugly. Okay. It is the fast.

[Lucy Rodin]

I will say when I bought this hat, I. I agreed with you and I thought the brim was a little too straight. But then someone was like, hey, that's the coolest hat I've ever seen. You should buy it. This is what happens, Lucy. And then when I was waiting in here in the waiting room, Lewis literally said, hey, I want to say nice hat and not asshole. Nice hat. It's a cool hat and I get complimented on it all the time. People are dming me trying to buy this hat off me and you think it's ugly.

[Rose]

This is what happens, Lucy.

[Lucy Rodin]

You walk through the streets and people are complimenting you on your style. And then you walk in here and Dan says, is that a punishment?

[Stugats]

I don't think it's an ugly hat. I just believe ask you if it was a punishment.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes, he did do that to me last week.

[Amin Elhassan]

I saw that. No one compliments.

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The security guard in the street, the.

[Amin Elhassan]

Concierge in the lobby.

[Lucy Rodin]

Every person in that room, you can ask them to a man, to a woman. Do you my cardigan Was great. Five minutes for being Jeremy.

[Rose]

Do you understand Sarcasm again?

[Stugats]

The hat is one of them. Lucy, that. The hat itself is nice. It's just the brim. It. You just bend the brim.

[Greg]

Bend the brim.

[Lucy Rodin]

No, it doesn't. It really doesn't bend. Like, look at this. That's not. That's not something that's gonna happen here. I also have glasses on, so it doesn't help. I think it looks cool. I think you have to take risk in fashion. Sometimes things work out, sometimes things don't. I think it's worked out fine. And purple is one of my colors.

[Stugats]

Fair enough. We'll just agree to disagree and move on.

[Lucy Rodin]

No, I'm right.

[Stugats]

James Franklin as the hire for Virginia Tech. And now the buyout at Penn State is slightly less because why is my.

[Lucy Rodin]

Dad not in the penalty box?

[Stugats]

I don't understand what your dad. Your dad just does. He plays by his own rules. What did you think of Virginia Tech hiring James Franklin?

[Lucy Rodin]

This is exactly what I thought was going to happen. Like, when James Franklin got fired, I was like, virginia Tech is the most natural landing spot. And despite all the things I've said about James Franklin, I really do think this is a good hire. He has a ton of experience in the area. He was an assistant coach at both Maryland and James Madison. Virginia Tech has announced they're putting a ton of money into their athletics department, like $229 million. And like James Franklin, we know he could build a program. He's done that with Penn State. He sort of did that with Vanderbilt. Like, that is something that he has experience at. And the issue was obviously the big games. Not to be rude, that's a little less likely in the acc. Like, the odds you're running into Ohio State every year is it's not really going to happen as much. So I really think that this is a good move by Virginia Tech because you have the DMV right there. That's an area that James Franklin is going to be able to recruit really well. Like, I think that this will get Virginia Tech back into, you know, competition for winning the sec. I certainly don't think that it's like a national championship level spot with that James Franklin hire. But I do think that this is what Virginia Tech needed, and I think this works out well. And now with Penn State, the buyouts dropped to what, $9 million? So you can kind of guess what his salary is going to be at Virginia Tech based off of that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Lucy.

[Lucy Rodin]

Not me, because I'm not good at math.

[Amin Elhassan]

Lucy, do you think that was his top choice if he had the pick of the litter?

[Lucy Rodin]

Yeah, I would think so, because I don't think that LSU or Florida were possibilities. I think that it's like a cultural fit, like, sort of like Virginia Tech and James Franklin just seems like it works. Like, I don't think James Franklin was, like, dying to go to Arkansas or anything, which Arkansas. Twitter has been so weird this week. They truly believe they're getting every single head coach. So they were, like, devastated when James Franklin went to Virginia Tech. I think that this is the most natural fit for both sides, and I really do think this works out to a certain extent.

[Stugats]

Is Virginia Tech a good job? Because Frank Beamer sort of made it a good job. But is it a good job?

[Lucy Rodin]

I think with the. With Virginia Tech saying, hey, we're investing a ton of money into this, then it becomes a good job. I. I would say that he's built such a culture there that, like, Virginia Tech doesn't necessarily resonate with, like, people my age is this, like, powerhouse, but, like, people a little bit older will sort of feel that Virginia Tech's a great job. I think James Franklin has the ability to make this a really competitive job. Like, once again, you have the acc, which just is not as good as these other cars conferences. The competition is a little less. And I think something that's, like, weirdly kind of interesting about this is this comes off the heels of Maryland telling everyone that Mike Loxley is going to stay there another year, which I'm assuming half the people who were listening to the show had no idea Mike Locksley was still there. That works out really well for Virginia Tech because that's your top competition when recruiting the dmv. And they're not going to go play for Mike Locksley at Maryland. They're going to go play for James Franklin at Virginia Tech. That just seems like a better fit. So I really, truly think that this is going to work out for both parties.

[Amin Elhassan]

Look at this current landscape in the. You'd be surprised if Virginia Tech was a player next year, because I would not.

[Stugats]

Greg, did you have any thoughts here on James Franklin to Virginia Tech?

[Greg]

Well, the buyout, I think, went from almost $50 million to, like, 10 million. So it seems like the winner here is Penn State. How were they able to negotiate that buyout down that far?

[Lucy Rodin]

So his contract was written so that it was an offsetting buyout. So I'm assuming because that buyout has dropped to $9 million, you can sort of figure out that Virginia Tech is Paying James Franklin X amount of money because the contract was like, hey, we're going to give you this $50 million, but you have to go find another job. You have to get that job and get a salary that's market value. And then whatever you make there, we will pay the difference versus what you originally had. So it was like kind of standard, just contract stuff. So we don't know James Franklin's like, contract yet at Virginia Tech, but you can kind of take a guess once again, and that is for someone who's good at math to figure out.

[Amin Elhassan]

Lucy, is that the key right there when you say you have to get a job, that's market value? Because I would think, hey, if I'm James Franklin, want to take a really small contract, but you have to use that money on nil.

[Lucy Rodin]

Yeah. So like, Virginia Tech has already said that they were putting this money into their athletic department. That was something that they announced like a few months ago that it was $229 million that would be invested into Virginia Tech athletics. So, like, theoretically, you could have used the money from James Franklin's salary to boost NIL back, but I don't think he was ever going to make what he was making at Penn State to do that. And his contract did require that he takes a job that you would be like, that's appropriate for him to make that amount of money.

[Stugats]

They are on their fifth losing record in the last six seasons and they haven't won more than eight games since 2017. If you think of them as a big program, you're doing so on information that's 10 years old because they have not been a relevant program. But James Franklin was the first person to make Vanderbilt matter. He made Vanderbilt matter, though, with a whole lot of questionable shit going on off the field.

[Lucy Rodin]

No. Yeah, and that's. That's true. And that's something you have to look out for, especially when like this, this year of a lot of college football coaches getting hired that have less than stellar rep or fire. Excuse me, that have less than stellar reputations. I think you can look at the Penn State job as well and think about how, you know, where that program was at when he inherited it. Obviously Bill o' Brien did some work them back a little bit, but he was taking for Penn State specifically a program that had been decimated by ncaa, you know, horrifying, horrifying scandals that had really, like, you know, truly almost broken that football program to bring them back to where they was.

[Greg]

Were.

[Lucy Rodin]

Were really impressive because a lot of people have been like, why would James Franklin work here if Brent Pride didn't? Because Brent Pry was the D.C. under James Franklin at Penn State. It's because Brent Pride had never built a program up before. James Franklin has done that. It's one of the things that he has done really well and has shown that he can do really well. The sort of question you have with James Franklin is, what happens when Virginia Tech comes back? If that happens and now you're competing for a college football playoff and you got a big game again and your in game decisions are going to matter a lot more when you're in, you know, the ACC championship game against Miami or potentially a good Clemson team again. That's when we're going to start to see the old, like ugly kind of James Franklin head, like up here. But for right now, for what Virginia Tech needs, James Franklin I think is the best guy for that job. Lucy, how much do you think skin weighs?

[Stugats]

Skin?

[Lucy Rodin]

Yep. The skin on your human body. 20 pounds.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

Wow.

[Stugats]

Wow.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, my God.

[Stugats]

You are great at this game. You are wonderful at the how much do you think skin weighs game. I didn't.

[Lucy Rodin]

I've played it so many times before.

[Stugats]

Exactly right. Where is Lane Kiffin gonna end up? Do you have any thoughts here?

[Lucy Rodin]

Well, this one is weird because last night it came out, the Athletic reported that Ole Miss came to Lane Kiffin and was like, you have to decide by the Egg Bowl. So by the Mississippi State game, it's going to be lsu, it's going to be Florida, or it's going to be us. Which I think is kind of a bold move for the Ole Miss administration to make because it was reported this week that Lane Kiffin's family, not Lane Kiffin, got a trip to Baton Rouge where they were shown around the town. And then the same thing actually happened earlier that week in Gainesville. So, like, those seem to be the two primary options. Lane Kiffin is taking approach that it feels like he's going to leave because he's not explicitly saying, saying, hey, I'm not going to leave and I'm not signing a contract. Like Matt Rule at Nebraska signed an extension, one that I would not have given to him, but he signed an extension. Dan Lanning came out and said, I will not leave Oregon. I will be here as long as they want me. And Lane Kiffin's like, I don't want to talk about this right now, guys. What a game, huh? Like, I don't want to mention it. So it does feel like he has one foot out the door. I think what's really interesting about this is now that there's an ultimatum, now that there's a deadline, Ole Miss feels like not necessarily a lock, but Ole Miss will most likely make the College Football Playoff at this point. What if Lane Kiffin says, okay, I'm going to lsu, I'm going to Florida? Where does that leave Ole Miss during the playoff? Who is going to be coaching that team because he has an ultimatum in front of him here? It's very sort of weird how Ole Miss has gone about handling this. Like, I personally wouldn't have done that because, you know, maybe if you want someone to stay, you don't give them an ultimatum. But it's a very sort of weird situation. I can. I feel like he's going to leave personally.

[Stugats]

Can you walk me through what happened at Michigan State? So they get Mel Tucker, they give him a giant extension. He was good for one year with Kenneth Walker as his running back, and now they vacated three years worth of wins. They were fined a small amount of money, but also 1.5% of their athletic or, I'm sorry, their football budget.

[Rose]

That's right.

[Stugats]

Which is a big number. That seems like a legitimate penalty. But the forfeiting of victories, that's silly, right?

[Lucy Rodin]

Yeah, it's. It's weird, especially because, like, as an Iowa fan, when this came out, Iowa, like, the university came out and they were like, we are not marking any of those games against Michigan State that we lost as wins. Like, we're not doing that. So, like, I don't. I've never understood, like, forfeiting the victory is because, like, what does that really mean? Mel Tucker is sort of like, he's kind of a. Speaking of Matt Rule a little bit earlier, this is a very different situations because Mel Tucker ended up being kind of like a gross dude. And I don't think Matt Rule is where, like. Like the funniest part of these college football, like, hiring cycles is how everyone gets so scared that they are willing to commit to somebody who is bad. Because I believe they gave Mel Tucker that giant extension after the LSU job opened up because they were terrified he was going to leave, when in all actuality, all that money should have gone to Kenneth Walker iii. That was what made Michigan State so good that season. And so it was just a bad judgment move on Michigan State to extend this guy that they only really had seen one year of, which just ended up being an anomaly. Obviously, everything went down the hill from there where he was, you know, a really creepy dude to someone whose entire job is to teach you about really creepy dudes. And then now they've hired Jonathan Smith, which this just doesn't seem like it's working out either. That's another interesting sort of school to watch right now. They're a really bad football team. Do you hire Jonathan or fire Jonathan Smith? Given the competition around you, it's a weird spot. Michigan State is an athletic department that just like there's messy stuff going on there all the time.

[Stugats]

Can you explain to me because I didn't see the game, explain to me how Texas A and m got down 30 to 3 and explained to me how they won that game by allowing zero points in the second half but scoring four touchdowns. Because that without having seen it, seems to me the wildest result in college football this season.

[Lucy Rodin]

I only got to watch the first half and the first half, let me tell you, you don't want to be throwing interceptions and you don't want to let South Carolina get hot. It was just so quick the way South Carolina was moving. Where would be. OK, you pick off Marcel Reed. 80 yard touchdown pass. All right, cool. Texas A and M has the ball again. Marcel Reid throws another interception. All right, you're driving down the field again. It was just like efficient defense from South Carolina that they were able to like really translate into points very, very quickly. I know that you say it's the most shocking result of the college football season and I agree with that in the sense that that's a crazy comeback and like congratulations A and M. It's not shocking in the that happened to South Carolina. That is something that South Carolina football just is. It is a level of like stupidity and absurdity and just I cannot believe that happened to us. That is what South Carolina is. I did not get to watch much of the second half. From what I saw later, it was just that Texas A and M was a completely different football team. It was that Mike Elko remembered, Hey, I signed a fat extension this morning. We're going to turn this around. I think that is one of the more. Texas A and M hasn't played anybody with a winning record in the sec, I believe at this point. But that was their most impressive win. To me, because you're in that position where you're going to have to fight back. You're going to have to show that you really are one of the most talented teams in the country. This really solidified Texas A and M for me there because that's a difficult situation to be in, especially getting down at home like that in the first half. That's embarrassing stuff. Lucy is there when your state troopers are fighting people. That's not good.

[Amin Elhassan]

Lucy, is there a storyline going into the playoff rankings coming out tonight that you're most interested in?

[Lucy Rodin]

I think Mike Ryan's not there, right?

[Stugats]

He is not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not here.

[Lucy Rodin]

Okay, cool. Yeah. Miami, Notre Dame I'm interested in. It seems like there's a lot of things going online with him about that, so I'm a little nervous to talk about it. Miami, Notre Dam to see how those two sort of line up will be interesting. And I'm also really excited or intrigued to see what happens following Alabama Oklahoma this weekend. For me, anyone who's telling you that Texas still has a shot at the playoff, I think they that's wrong. I think they're dead. I think that is a team that should not be in the playoff. I'm excited to see what happens with Oklahoma after the win this weekend, how they jump and how far Alabama falls.

[Stugats]

What did you make of Oklahoma Alabama. That was weird in that Alabama had twice as much yardage in that game as Oklahoma. Oklahoma is only good at defensive line play.

[Lucy Rodin]

Yeah, no, it's, it was literally an entirely a defensive victory for Oklahoma. That was it. Their defense was just so good that they won. Their offense can be pretty anemic. It's very, very like single faceted. They cannot score many points. Like it's, it's very Brent Venables of them. But like hey if you win, like if your defense is that good, which their defense is that good, you're going to be competitive in everything. I don't see them moving on. I think they're a playoff team with that win. I think that's a good enough win that's going to take you far. And I think that if you look at their record loss to Texas and Red river, that doesn't count to me. Red river is a weird made up like vortex in the universe where whatever happens there just like isn't real. And then a loss to Ole Miss, I think that they are a lock for the playoff right now. I don't see them moving on beyond the first round though because their offense is so anemic. It was just such a good defensive game for them that they were able to win.

[Stugats]

Put it on the poll Juju, please. Is Texas Oklahoma just a weird vortex in the universe that isn't real? At Le Batard Show Chris Cody make yourself useful here to put the punctuation on this segment with the only sound you're good at making. There you go. Let's let's go ahead and do Lucy's Internet minute.

[Mike Malley]

Time to get in it.

[Lucy Rodin]

It's Lucy's Internet minute. You are good at making that sound. So we have a sports Internet minute today. Yay. Yay. Yay. Everybody clap. And it's about the Carolina Panthers.

[Stugats]

Really?

[Lucy Rodin]

Oh, yeah. The clapping's still going. So obviously, the Carolina Panthers are having a weird, fun year. And there's a direct correlation with a tiktoker named Carolina Mike. And he is a Carolina fan that lives in Minnesota. And all he does is every week before the game, he sings the same song he wrote, but it's really not about the Carolina panthers. It's called 150,000. And the song is like, hey, if I had $150,000, what would I do? And he was like, well, I wouldn't buy the Carolina Panthers because that's not enough money to buy. Buy the Carolina Panthers. But maybe I would give some money to the Carolina Panthers. Maybe I would buy some tickets for the Carolina Panthers. Maybe I'd buy some gear for the Carolina Panthers. And ever since he has started singing this song and getting the Carolina Panthers, like, fandom really going, they've had a very good season. And they actually invited him to perform this song called 150,000, which you should all look up because it's really, really catchy at a game a few weeks ago. And that has been the secret to the Carolina Pack Panthers success this year.

[Stugats]

They have a better record than the Kansas City Chiefs. I proclaimed their season done. After they beat the Dolphins. So just for the record, after Carolina beat the Dolphins, I proclaim their season done. After Seattle lost to the Rams, I said, they're the best team in the NFL. Lucy, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate your time, as always. She is headed to Gainesville this weekend. Yes. As the Gators play host to the Volunteers. Did you and Lucy, did you see each other?

[Amin Elhassan]

Nah, I didn't get to meet up with her this weekend.

[Stugats]

You were in the same place.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

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[Amin Elhassan]

You know, I understand, but, like, you know, it's a big city. She's working, I'm working. Didn't work out.

[Lucy Rodin]

I'm actually curious to hear your thoughts on what you. What you felt about the Georgia vibe.

[Amin Elhassan]

You know what, it's interesting that you say that because this was my second time in Athens this season, and as we were leaving, we were saying to each other, felt different this time, and we couldn't explain it. So that's really interesting that you say.

[Lucy Rodin]

That some more like different in a good way.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, no, it's.

[Rose]

It.

[Amin Elhassan]

Something was off about Athens and even around the stadiums. We did the show, like right out front the stadium. Something was off, Lucy. But I can't put my finger on it. You're 100% right.

[Lucy Rodin]

It's kind of sleepy. Yes.

[Amin Elhassan]

It was sleep. And it was such a monster game. Especially because right before it, you know, Oklahoma, they beat Alabama. So kind of, you know, opens the door a little bit more for Georgia. It was a sleepy atmosphere. You're right.

[Mike Malley]

Opioids.

[Stugats]

Was it haunting? Lucy, make a ruling on this. Is this sound here haunting?

[Lucy Rodin]

Let's go Dolphins. Yes.

[Stugats]

Yeah. Echoey pirate sounds.

[Lucy Rodin]

That is Dan Marino starting a let's go Dolphins chant in Madrid.

[Greg]

Yeah.

[Lucy Rodin]

The trailing Dolphins. Yeah.

[Stugats]

And that. Yeah. And the audio. I'm sorry. The video accompaniment is Ed Orgeron made by AI as a pirate, which doesn't have any link to anything. But if he. He was singing yo ho ho, let's go Dolphins, it would sound something like this. Thank you, Lucy. Appreciate the time.

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[Chris Cody]

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[Greg]

This week.

[Lucy Rodin]

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[Chris Cody]

Simply sign up for a 30 day free trial.

[Lucy Rodin]

It's the Bills and the Texans on Thursday at 7pm Eastern only on Prime Video. Restrictions apply. See Amazon.com amazonprime for details. Don LeBatard it's all about me. Stugats. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Stugats]

I've been told that the crack staff here has finally and they do this intermittently gotten gas bag of the week sound are you guys interested in hearing? I see all over ESPN they're arguing about Shador Sanders. It's maddening. It's a ratings grab. I don't understand why we're talking so much about a 5th round pick unless all you care about is fame. You don't care about the football. You don't care about anything. You just care about fame. And in Cleveland we've got Ken Carmen. I don't know who he's arguing with.

[Lucy Rodin]

Anthony Lima, his co host.

[Stugats]

Okay, so they are arguing and Shador Sanders has created a great deal of tension and passion. Let's go ahead and do.

[Lucy Rodin]

And it starts with Ken Carmen and he's talking about how this was a like Chedeur was supposed to be a developmental pick.

[Chris Cody]

They used the term development. I didn't use the term development.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

You didn't.

[Dan LeBatard]

They didn't.

[Chris Cody]

So I'm gonna blame them. That's not what this league is is this doesn't matter what this league is who they are. But this league is not. Kenny. About making sure to force feed a fifth round pick that should not have been drafted after they took a third round quarterback. That is not what this league is. We're not a charity case. This league is not set up to make sure that Sander's son gets a thousand reps. I'm sorry, Joina. And I'm sorry, Ken. And I'm sorry. All these people that are trying to act like the Bronze are set sabotaging him. He's a fifth round pick. I didn't say it was. What are you guys expecting? This league is about.

[Mike Malley]

Hold on.

[Rose]

Hold on.

[Chris Cody]

This is a little league. Hold on. This is a T ball. Hold on. We're not trying to foster some great environment for kids to learn. This is the NFL. This is not sports talk radio in Seattle. This is no shut up for a second here. Sorry. Ridiculous. I take that word away. Take the shut up part away. But let me get back to the. Get back to the matter because now you got me really pissed off at you because let me tell you the truth of this matter. You are not talking about any NFL team. You are talking about the Cleveland Browns. That's who you are talking about. You need to adjust your conversation to this football team because that's the entire reason we're in this quagmire Gas bag of the week.

[Lucy Rodin]

Quagmire.

[Stugats]

He immediately regretted and took back the shut up.

[Lucy Rodin]

Go shut up. I'm sorry about that.

[Chris Cody]

I didn't mean that word.

[Stugats]

Put it on the poll at the lebatard show. Are you allowed to immediately retract your shut up without while taking the sting out of your shut up?

[Amin Elhassan]

If you do it right away, I think it's okay. If any amount of time go by, it's like, nah, nah, it's too late.

[Greg]

You got to own it.

[Amin Elhassan]

He did it right away.

[Greg]

Can't regret it. You got to own it. If you tell somebody to shut up, own it now.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

You're right.

[Amin Elhassan]

But he's allowed to acknowledge that was not nice of me. I'm taking that back he knowledge right away. I. I would.

[Stugats]

First, you have been very hard on LeBron James. As low you have said that LeBron James is faking an injury.

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Oh, yeah.

[Rose]

Oh yeah.

[Stugats]

I did think it made me laugh to see the headline LeBron James and then parenthetically sciatica returns to the Lakers. You are thinking what's about to happen here given that the usage rate of Luka has made the Lakers look like, like the Mavs that went to the finals. Because when you give Luka the ball all the time and just allow him to dominate the ball, he will dominate the game. And I mean, I'd be curious about your thoughts here because the Lakers with Luca through 14 games and Luka has missed a few of them and Austin Reeves has been great. They haven't looked like they missed LeBron at all, even though statistically LeBron was a top 10 player in the league last year.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, and you also have to point out, you know, Luka's usage rate and all that. This is Luca in the best shape of his life right now with that usage rate. No, I think tonight's super interesting. He's questionable return tonight, so maybe he returns against Utah. Lakers are 10 and 4. They're having a terrific start to the season. I think this is super interesting, like how he's going to be reintegrated into the lineup and you know, like if they lose to A Utah team. That sucks. That's a fun story tomorrow. That's right at my wheel. That's in my wheel. I house.

[Mike Malley]

I didn't know your name was Amin.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, no, he first started off.

[Mike Malley]

No, he asked the question to me and I'm curious to hear what you have to say.

[Amin Elhassan]

He was following it over. You just don't. No, he first directed that at me.

[Mike Malley]

I don't know the question.

[Amin Elhassan]

I will say you said Zazlow been critical.

[Lucy Rodin]

Dan did the move of. Started with Zazlow and then midway through was like Amin. I'm also interested in.

[Greg]

Yeah, Dan does that.

[Mike Malley]

I got your back. Then that question was coming to me.

[Chris Cody]

Shut up for a second here.

[Lucy Rodin]

I think there was an original Zazlo.

[Amin Elhassan]

Am I on face here?

[Lucy Rodin]

Started originally at.

[Mike Malley]

Shut up for a second here.

[Chris Cody]

Shut up for a second here.

[Mike Malley]

Take that. Shut up back. Hold on.

[Stugats]

All right.

[Mike Malley]

You know what's funnier? A bigger story, a crazier story. What's that we talk about? Oh, the Lakers haven't missed him. Hey, guys. The NBA hasn't missed him. Y' all don't feel that like they're. He's been gone a month and there's. I haven't seen anywhere people like, when's LeBron coming? Nobody cares.

[Amin Elhassan]

But is that because we know he's coming back at some point?

[Mike Malley]

No, I think it's because. Well, first and foremost, because the Lakers are playing well without him. But beyond that, it's like, yeah, this league is evolving. The stories that were told for 22 years or whatever are coming to a close. And there are new stories that people care about now. People care about Shay. People care about Donovan Mitchell. People care about all these stars all over the league. It's like, crazy, because even I would say even a year ago, it's like, how's the NBA gonna adjust to when LeBron's gone? And like, we just had a month of it. And like, just it pretty fine and pretty quickly, if you ask me.

[Stugats]

The Lakers are 17th in offensive rating and 15th in defensive rating. Is LeBron going to make either of those things better? I mean, Zaslo, I don't know.

[Mike Malley]

Zaz, you could take this one.

[Lucy Rodin]

Yeah, take this one.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, he should make them better offensively. He's not going to make them better defensively, but he should make them better offensively. Because even if we're not talking about him scoring, you know, the smartest player in the league, maybe, like, he's going to be able to fit himself in offensively and help there.

[Mike Malley]

I would think the question we all ask is like, how much is he willing to relinquish? This is the ultimate control freak. Not that it was a bad thing, obviously, to great success, but at this point, is he willing to relinquish that control and to be something lesser than what he probably believes he can do? Or maybe he looks forward to it. He's like, man, I'm old. I want to save myself for April, May, and possibly June. And so in order for that to happen, I need to let Luca and Austin Reaves do more.

[Amin Elhassan]

We're gonna overanalyze everything. I love it.

[Stugats]

It's going to be fun to watch what happens because they have been winning and Luca has looked great. Yesterday on the show, 24 hours ago, we ended at about this time, the second hour of the show, talking about Bernie Kozar, and Bernie Kzar headed in to get a get his liver replaced. You have an update for us, Greg? Did you?

[Greg]

Bernie's friends and family, just by text, not in person. But the surgery went well. He woke up feeling great. And in Bernie style, he said, I'm looking forward to the rest of my week and I'm looking forward to the rest of my life. It was a long awaited surgery that he desperately needed after one disappointment. And apparently it went well. And that's the update.

[Mike Malley]

Y' all ain't ready for my analysis, man.

[Lucy Rodin]

I was just. He wants to say what he said before. I'm like, you get out of here. Here. We don't want your take on this. See judgment right here. Dan. Yeah, they were playing back and forth here of like, I think I should do it. And I was like, no.

[Stugats]

Yes. Amin's opinion before the show was not helpful. Was not. So the opinion of an that should be on air.

[Greg]

Oh, I never heard that.

[Stugats]

But when I went to Cody on this, uh, I thought he would have more in the way of an update, but all he did was shoot Bernie a text and get a response.

[Greg]

Yeah, I apologize that I didn't speak directly with Bernie during the surgery. While the surgery was ongoing. You know, he was under general anesthesia. But still, he might have come to the phone and spoken to me during the surgery. I apologize. I didn't make that happen.

[Mike Malley]

Greg, you know where you messed up? You should have called Speaker. Cause I'm pretty sure SPO would have had an update.

[Greg]

That's a very Good point. Excellent.

[Rose]

Spo was brought up unprovoked by LeBron James yesterday. Just throwing that out there. LeBron James said, you know who always said positionless basketball Eric Spoelstra. And you know what else he said is that he could fit on any team in the NBA.

[Lucy Rodin]

Fit in, don't fit out.

[Greg]

By the way, Bernie Kosar is also projecting that Barkov's gonna be back on the ice a lot sooner than most people think.

[Amin Elhassan]

Former Panthers minority owner Bernie.

[Sponsor Voice 1]

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[Greg]

There you go. I like it. I have no idea if it's true, but if it is, it is true.

[Stugats]

What do you mean you don't know if it's true? You didn't know that Bernie Kozar was a minority owner of the pants?

[Sponsor Voice 1]

No.

[Greg]

What was, you know, like one thousandth of one scintilla?

[Lucy Rodin]

Dad, remember the time we ran into Bernie Kar at Chili's?

[Greg]

Yes. He paid for my meal.

[Lucy Rodin]

He did?

[Sponsor Voice 2]

Away.

[Greg]

Yeah, I brought that up to him when I talked to him Saturday. I brought that up and he. He remembered it. Yeah.

[Mike Malley]

What did you order?

[Lucy Rodin]

Oh, I got everything.

[Dan LeBatard]

Two for 20.

[Greg]

No, he. After the fact, he.

[Lucy Rodin]

This is a new alone improved and Levitar show with the Stugarts.

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