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Dan Le Batard
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Stugotz
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Pablo Torre
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast, joining us now from Meadowlark Media's New York studio, where he's hobnobbing around with another one of those obnoxious liberal elites, Pablo Torre. Chris Hayes is with us. He's the host of all in Weeknights on msnbc, that propaganda outlet for the woke. He's the author of a new book called the S Byron's Call. It's not about Trump or politics, it's about attention. And I want to get into some of the inauguration with him because he's written a think piece for the New York Times about how content is king. How, of course, Musk buys talking and Trump rules the world. That content is king now. Attention is the currency of the day. So, Chris, thank you for joining us. And you wrote this because what, because you realize you, too, were a content mercury merchant, an addict?
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Chris Hayes
I'm both an addict. I both, I'm both a seller and a user. I don't know if you feel the same way, but yes, I am a. I, I, my livelihood is keeping people's attention. I'm also just, just compulsively online. And even if those are personal dispositions, I feel like we live in an age in which attention is the most important resource, it's the most valuable, and we're watching it play out before our eyes. I mean, yesterday was a spectacle that perfectly illustrated this point. Elon Musk, Donald Trump, like, these guys are where they are for a reason. And a lot of it has to do with how they manipulate attention.
- [03:26]
Pablo Torre
Well, tell me about how you experienced Elon Musk and Bezos and Zuckerberg at the inauguration with better seats than the incoming cabinet, a cabinet that is not unlike the cabinets in many white households. All white.
- [03:42]
Chris Hayes
Well, it was, I mean, it was almost too on the nose. There's so many things that Trump does that are on the nose, passed on the nose. It was a really striking image. I don't think I've ever seen anything like that before. You had, you know, the head of Google, the head of Apple, the head of Amazon, the head of Facebook, the head of Tesla X, I mean, all standing in a line. They're all shot there. And it was pretty funny. I saw someone, I forget who it was, but someone was like, well, it's interesting that when we did his rallies, like, the people behind him were like, coal miners and, like, first responders and construction workers, and suddenly he gets elected president. Like, they can't really find any coal miners up there on the dais. You can't really find any first responders, but the most powerful billionaires are, are up there. And I thought, you know, it was an intentional bit of symbolism, but it was not. It wasn't like a mistake. It wasn't like they were like, oh, where do we seat these guys? I'll just give them the front row. They were saying something. They're both, both the people attending Bezos at all and Trump and his crew.
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Pablo Torre
But when you examine it from that angle, Right. Like, of course, it can be dark humor, but the idea of a party running on against elite and big tech and then to see Bezos, who owns a newspaper as a side toy, not give any kind of endorsement, sit out waiting for this moment. And Zuckerberg also fights for our attention and Musk tries to out buy them all while following the President around like a lap dog as if he, you know, wants to buy America while he's at it. Like, when you're watching all of that, you're experiencing that how as an American.
- [05:18]
Chris Hayes
As an American, I feel anger, but I also feel a kind of cold sense of clarity in some ways. I've actually thought that the last few weeks have been usefully clarifying, you know, the interests of these folks are aligned with the interests of Donald Trump and that they, they were working very hard to obscure that before. But I think that it's useful for everyone to see it for what it is. It reminds me a little bit of, you know, there's a moment after 9, 11, and particularly that first, you know, 2002, 2003, in the run up to the 2004 election with Bush, where all of these powerful forces in American life aligned with George W. Bush. You know, the Dixie Chicks were, were blacklisted because they, they said something disparaging about George W. Bush. And it was clarifying then in that moment to understand the forces arrayed against you. And in the end, no matter how much the people who dissented against George W. Bush were berated, they were proven right in the end. And I don't think that image of those guys standing there in line at that inauguration is going to age very well. In fact, I feel almost certain it won't.
- [06:29]
Pablo Torre
You write in your book the sirens call. We have a country full of megaphones, a crushing wall of sound, the swirling lights of 247 Casino blinking at us. All part of a system minutely engineered to take our attention away from us for profit. Under these conditions, anything resembling Democratic deliberation seems not only impossible, but increasingly absurd, like trying to meditate in a strip club. The next four years are bringing what?
- [06:59]
Chris Hayes
Oh, I don't know. I mean, I find the total uncertainty liberating. You know, I remember so clearly. This is a really important lesson. I remember first impeachment of Donald Trump, which happens in January and February of 2020, and when it ends in him being acquitted by the United States Senate, there were all these stories about what this year was going to be and how Trump was resurgent. And I remember thinking to myself, I was Stressing about travel because it was an election year and I was gonna have to go to these primary states. I was thinking about childcare and of course, covet hit two weeks later, three weeks later, everything I'd stressed about, everything I thought about, all the think pieces, all the stuff about completely washed away, none of it, none of it mattered. And I've just taken that lesson to heart that we do not know what's coming. You can prepare, you can stick to your principles, you can think about your craft, you can think about what you want to do as a citizen. But I have no idea what these next four years are going to be like, and neither is anyone else. And the degree to which I have no idea, I actually find, like, personally liberated.
- [08:01]
Pablo Torre
But you're assuming that the government is going to get ransacked, correct? You're, you're, Are you not assuming?
- [08:06]
Chris Hayes
I don't. Yeah, I don't think it's going to be good, I guess, if that's your question. No, I mean, I think this thing, the, the meme coin, the crypto meme coin, he launched it, you know, a day before becoming president. That, that people, people who are hardcore crypto heads, like partisans of crypto, love crypto, think it's the future. They were disparaging it as a blatant, you know, a blatant grift. This is going to be a ransacking, a pillaging, a plundering. It's going to be corrupt. I think the first day. And the executive orders he signed confirmed all the worst fears and also made the people who are extending some, you know, sense of good faith look a little silly. It's going to, it's going to be bad. Just the question to me is like, how bad? And, and, and what, what it implicates for all of us. But yes, it is not going to be good. The government is not going to be run. Well, that's one thing I feel confident predicting. The, the whole changing the name of.
- [09:04]
Jessica
The Gulf of Mexico to the Gulf of America just felt like a complete distraction because of those executive orders. What do you think the worst executive order was signed into law yesterday?
- [09:15]
Chris Hayes
That's a really good question. I'm still. First of all, let me be honest, I'm still sorting through them. I think there's a few. The worst in terms of its intent is the revocation of birthright citizenship, which is a foundational American right. It's plainly in the text of the 14th Amendment. It was put in the text of the 14th Amendment by the second founding generation. Of this country who came together to write the 13th, 14th and 15th Amendments after the bloody Civil War, to try to found a multiracial, pluralistic democracy.
- [09:46]
Jessica
The natural that. I'm sorry, no, no, no. I don't want to stop your train of thought. I thought you were, you were done.
- [09:52]
Chris Hayes
Please continue to attack that. To attack that is the cornerstone of. Of to. It is to attack the foundation of the project of the nation's second founding after the Civil War, which is a multiracial democracy. It is a distinguishing characteristic, birthright citizenship. Birthright citizenship in the U.S. it's one of our finest attributes. He cannot undo it through a piece of paper. It's in the Constitution. But in terms of what that represented, not in terms of its effect, which I hope will be essentially nothing, that was the most insidious.
- [10:22]
Jessica
It was certainly symbolic, but it does face several legal challenges. I don't know how you actually go about enforcing this. One of the reasons, as you mentioned, constitutional. What does this look like it's going to get?
- [10:35]
Chris Hayes
It's a great question. It's. It should again, who knows with this, with the Supreme Court, it should get blocked immediately and then challenged and then thrown out. Blatantly unconstitutional. The plain text of the Constitution means what the plain text the Constitution means. And so in that respect, in terms of the effect it's going to have, I don't think necessarily that was the worst because I hope to your point, that it gets, it basically gets thrown out and doesn't go into effect. The, the pardons and commutations for the, the January six folks, including people that like assaulted cops, people getting out of prison who had 22 years for seditious conspiracy. I mean, that just says something. It's not just that granting them this clemency itself is, is bad, though. It is. It's the message it communicates about the, about political violence, about his support for political violence, about his encouraging future political violence. That is pretty dangerous stuff that he's playing with.
- [11:37]
Pablo Torre
All right, Chris, objectively, though. Okay, objectively, explain objectively.
- [11:41]
Chris Hayes
I'm always objective. Dan.
- [11:42]
Pablo Torre
Explain to me the difference between Joe Biden pardoning his son and Donald Trump pardoning all of the January 6th people because a proud boy here in Miami who got 20 plus year years through our legal system is now at home ready for the next time the violence might be needed. Can you explain objectively the difference between those two pardons? Because both pardons seem wrong.
- [12:12]
Chris Hayes
Yeah, I don't think. I, I don't support the Hunter Biden pardon. I think it was the wrong thing to do. I think the difference is in the details of the cases. I mean, it should be really clear. Hunter Biden was prosecuted for what's called felon in possession, which is extremely rare case. I mean, we're talking about a handful of cases, despite the fact there are tens, hundreds of thousands, millions of addicts across the country. Basically, he had a gun, and he said he wasn't a drug addict when he got it, but he was a drug addict. There are former federal prosecutors, including former Republican congressmen, who say this thing is never, ever, ever charged. It's. It. The only reason that he was charged was because his name was Hunter Biden. He was on the wrong side of essentially presidential privilege. And. And that would be the justification for that, for that pardon. I still think because he's your son and you're the president, you shouldn't do it. But on the merits, it was just as an empirical matter, an extremely, extremely, extremely rare form of prosecution that was brought to bear on him. And I think it's inarguably, it's because of what his last name was. Now, that said, look, if they had gone through and. And they had taken a class of three or four hundred of those folks convicted for January 6th, who never assaulted a cop, never celebrated what they did, walked into the building and walked out, possibly that's more defensible. They did not do that. This was a full jailbreak. And in fact, J.D. vance, just days before they did it, said, obviously you shouldn't give clemency to people that assaulted police officers. People that assaulted police officers got sprung yesterday. I mean, we've got the tape. Like, you could look at them bashing in the heads of cops, and now they're walking the streets. Like that is on a completely different level than. Than anything that that happened in terms of Biden pardons.
- [14:01]
Pablo Torre
I want your attention. I need your attention. Here is how I mastered my own. It's the opinion guest essay he has written for the New York Times. Why did you write it? Are you. You're being introspective during dark times about being complicit to feeding this machine. You whore.
- [14:16]
Chris Hayes
Well, I think that. Look, I think like all of us in this age, I wrestle with being inside my own head. You know, I mean, I think. I don't know if you guys are this way. You walk around all day with podcasts in your ears. If you. If you leave your car in the. In the. If you leave your phone in the car and you stop and double park and you run to a Starbucks. And you're getting a cup of coffee and you reach for the phone and it's not there. Then you have this moment of panic. You're like, oh, what's that moment of panic? Like, why has it become harder and harder to live with our own thoughts, to be alone with ourselves? And the reason is we are being conditioned away from it. And the more we're conditioned away from it, the more difficult it is to be with our own thoughts. But being with our own thoughts is the stuff of life. It's all we got. We don't get to run, outrun our own head. So for me, the project of, you know, this book and the project I'm trying to work through is what are we running from? Like, how do we get back to being okay with our own thoughts? How can I go for a 20 minute walk and just, you know, be in my brain and not need some escape?
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Jessica
Dan, where was the comma in your question? Was it comma, or is it that you're whoring this also? It was a great deflection, because I believe you called an essay an essay, C.J.
- [15:27]
Stugotz
Stroud.
- [15:28]
Pablo Torre
I did call it an Essie, yes, brown wave.
- [15:32]
Mike Ryan
But what happened to the comma? You called him a whore.
- [15:34]
Pablo Torre
I did call him a whore. He knows what I'm talking about. Put it on the poll at Lebatard. Show juju. Being with your own thoughts. Is it the stuff of life? No, I think he's, he's, he's. I think the reason the poll.
- [15:49]
Chris Hayes
Dangerous Game.
- [15:50]
Jessica
Daniel.
- [15:51]
Pablo Torre
I think the reason that he's written this think piece is because he understands that in some ways, the, the liberal media elite was outplayed by a group of people who realized earlier than the mainstream media did that they were buying up people right and left. And this is where not just he gets turned around, I get turned around as well. And I'm on the losing side of a fight where that particular oaf took out journalism, that particular, that thing ended up just wandering around yelling, fake me. Fake news, Fake news. And because he's a reality TV contestant, he now gets, he gets immunity. Gets immunity all over the place and all of our judges so that this guy, a journalist, is on here saying, yeah, it's unconstitutional, but who knows what the Supreme Court is going to do? Like to take a hatchet to America like that. Like, how the hell is this, this the first day?
- [16:44]
Chris Hayes
It's pretty tough. I mean, look, you know, yesterday was. I was watching it as a professional. So there's a certain amount of, like, regulation that One undertakes. But it was tough to watch. I'm not gonna joke. I mean, I'm not gonna deny it or joke about it. And, and look, this, this is. I, I can't offer any comforting words about like who wins in the end. You know, I think that I don't know who wins in the end.
- [17:13]
Mike Ryan
It's always Mahomes.
- [17:15]
Chris Hayes
It's. Look, I wish we had Mahomes. You know, I don't, I don't know. I don't know who our Mahomes is. We're biding our time the regular season and just waiting, waiting to, to, to bust it out in the playoffs. But, but I don't know. I hope we have our own homes.
- [17:31]
Pablo Torre
How do you feel about deep dish pizza?
- [17:34]
Chris Hayes
It's a great question. I love it. I think it's, it's one of those things that, you know, that's maybe a once or twice a year thing. Like I feel about it the way I feel about turkey. Like when it. In the right context, in the right place and time, it's delicious. Do I want a deep dish pizza, you know, multiple nights a week? You know, it's.
- [17:53]
Mike Ryan
No, it's a commitment dish pizza. Right?
- [17:56]
Chris Hayes
It's a commitment and it's, it is a, it is a great thing to, to savor when you're doing it. But like you're not, that's not going to, you're not going to run up on a deep dish pizza a few times a week.
- [18:06]
Pablo Torre
No. But once a week.
- [18:07]
Mike Ryan
No, no, no, no.
- [18:09]
Chris Hayes
Once a week is really pushing.
- [18:10]
Mike Ryan
That's a bad idea.
- [18:12]
Chris Hayes
Would you go once a week?
- [18:13]
Pablo Torre
I can't get once a week. I would be 600 pounds if I lived in Chicago. 600 because.
- [18:20]
Chris Hayes
Because of the deep show.
- [18:21]
Pablo Torre
Would be my 600 pound life if I live. Yes, because. Because, yes. It's like three pizzas on top of each other. Like, why wouldn't I want three pizzas on top of each other? Why wouldn't I want more? What's happening here with this gold chain?
- [18:35]
Chris Hayes
It's brass. It's $60.
- [18:37]
Mike Ryan
That's a fine.
- [18:38]
Pablo Torre
Okay. Is it a fine that I didn't know that it was. It was.
- [18:41]
Chris Hayes
My wife got it for me. You know, I was born in the Bronx in 1979. So I'm just, as I, as I age, I'm just aging back into my roots. Does my wife love me? She does love me.
- [18:53]
Mike Ryan
A brass necklace.
- [18:54]
Chris Hayes
So I got a $60 brass chain.
- [18:56]
Pablo Torre
That is a killer. One question to ask in an interview. Billy, thank you for Your.
- [19:01]
Chris Hayes
I'm gonna tell her you said that. You're gonna hear from her.
- [19:03]
Pablo Torre
Thank you for.
- [19:04]
Chris Hayes
You're not getting a.
- [19:06]
Pablo Torre
We appreciate you being on maiden voyage. Good talking to you, Chris. Thank you, sir.
- [19:10]
Chris Hayes
Thank you, fellas.
- [19:12]
Jessica
The Dan Lebatar show with Stugats is presented by DraftKings.
- [19:16]
Pablo Torre
DraftKings.
- [19:17]
Jessica
The Crown is yours.
- [19:18]
Pablo Torre
Stugats. There are a couple of things that I wanted to talk to you about that we did not get to earlier in the show because we were just wandering around. And Xavier Lucas, he has entered the transfer portal, or he has come to the University of Miami through a portal that his attorney is arguing does not exist just so that I. So I can get this right. I want him correct.
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Jessica
Here's how the appeal went.
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Mike Ryan
I love a secret portal.
- [19:43]
Jessica
Here's how the appeal went. Wisconsin's like, well, we're not gonna let you into the transfer portal. And guess what? The transfer portal is closed up now, so you can't go. And Xavier Lucas and his representatives were like, the transfer portal doesn't actually exist. And the NCAA was like, you got us there, pal.
- [19:59]
Pablo Torre
That is not how that happened.
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Jessica
Anyone would figure this thing out. That it's not actually Muppet.
- [20:04]
Pablo Torre
Well, what I loved about it, it bypassed all of the other ways that. And once I got involved and read his attorney said. And then I just saw the NCAA backpedaling from. We don't have any actual power here. We like to complain about things and pretend like we're making the rules, but we're not allowed. We don't have any jurisdiction here. No.
- [20:24]
Jessica
And look, the Big Ten, especially in its statement, and Wisconsin have used a lot of big words, but it's all flash paper because they've already lost in all the meaningful places. Essentially, what they're only doing with these statements, very strongly worded, is begging the NCA safe harbor status from Congress. It's basically a press release that says, congress, save us so our illegal cartel can continue going with impunity because we just lose case after case after case. The argument is, he signed a document committing to us for two years, not a full contract, but we get to keep him here. They're arguing we get to keep him here and play for us. We get to force him, because we're gonna pay him to that. That, quite honestly, is a step away from slavery. Like what they were trying to actually execute in the arguments that they were making, which, again, they lost everywhere. And they're trying to win this in the court of public opinion, but you have to pay attention to what These statements don't actually say what it is, is it's a sad, pathetic attempt for a conference and several programs within that conference that have gotten away with skirting the rules all the time and are once again upset that they just can't poached local kids like they used to. So they lost already and now they're sore losers just begging for Congress to pay.
- [21:44]
Pablo Torre
Well, let me stop you for a second because we just got done stugats. This is a reason for celebration. And we can also speak honestly at the greed and the churning of bodies that is making profit out of football. On the professionalization of what we watched last night, which is Ohio State beats Notre Dame. Everyone's riveted. And the last Chiefs game is the biggest number in the history of ESPN. Goodell comes out and says 18 games and we're now playing 15 and we're playing 16. Like that. Those records up there when Notre Dame and Ohio State are playing are 141 and 13 2. That's a lot of. That's a lot of games being played. And we just keep throwing more and more into it. As Saban makes a lot of money while saying X, Y and Z on nil. While being a paid lobbyist on behalf of I will protect saintly football. I'm Saint Nick from Alabama. And the business of it is such that Cam Ward is now worth about six or seven times what he was just paid in one season. And Leonard Hamilton has his players boycotting games and and a lawsuit because they want their $1.5 million. And Mike Ryan is saying, and this is when a like this goes flammable. When you turn this amateurism, this promptly into just greed capitalism, it's gonna get crazy. The left tackle's about to cost $10 million. And if he's protecting Cam Ward, you're gonna get crazy. Mike Ryan says, a step away from slavery. And once you say slavery, you lose just about everybody a step away from slavery.
- [23:24]
Jessica
I own your rights. I tell you where to work, even though you don't wanna actually work there. Tell me what it's a step away from.
- [23:32]
Pablo Torre
It's what's happening with business. And of course they're going to try and get the shackles on the freedom. It's been the problem that you don't understand what a great quiet secret this was that we all kept together on the idea. Like, yeah, just churn through their bodies for profit and everyone will make the money. It'll eventually be the acc and all the guys in the media are all the guys in the press box in their orange jackets. But then the television executives will steal it from the bowl executives because the bowl executives had this grift on the Download quietly for 25 years, running a straight up crime organization a step away from slavery like they've been doing it. It was just all agreed upon the terms. We all agreed. Yeah, I'll do rah rah on Saturdays and it'll feel good. And I won't pay attention that they're paying Ricky Williams with a briefcase full of watches like the watch.
- [24:20]
Jessica
So the ones making the most noise are the ones that got away with it before and they don't like it. And that includes Nick Saban, who said one roster spending $30 million and the other one spending three, that's not sustainable, isn't Nick, is it? Because I guess you were one of those rosters that were just paying 3 back when everybody was paying 0. Also, what's unsustainable is you being the highest paid employee in the state of Alabama. That's what's unsustainable. But you never hear them complain about the money that the coaches are making.
- [24:48]
Mike Ryan
Why are we surprised that the old school coaches don't like the new system? Of course they don't like it. They've been stripped of all their power.
- [24:54]
Jessica
Yeah, they got unprecedented power and they got to abuse a system. And they used to turn their nose at people and think and get to fool their fan bases and people nationwide that they were doing it the right clean way. It's, you know, it's a lot of loser talk too, because there used to be an honor amongst thieves. But when you got Nick Saban out there and the big Ten doing what it did, it's kind of pathetic.
- [25:20]
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Dan Le Batard
I know.
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- [26:38]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, sure thing. Hey, you saw that car yet?
- [26:41]
Chris Hayes
Yeah, sold it to Carvana.
- [26:43]
Dan Le Batard
Oh, I thought you were selling to that guy.
- [26:46]
Chris Hayes
The guy who wanted to pay me in foreign currency, no interest over 36 months. Yeah.
- [26:52]
Pablo Torre
No.
- [26:52]
Chris Hayes
Carvana gave me an offer in minutes, picked it up and paid me on the spot. It was so convenient.
- [26:58]
Dan Le Batard
Just like that.
- [26:59]
Jessica
Yeah.
- [26:59]
Dan Le Batard
No hassle?
- [27:00]
Pablo Torre
None.
- [27:01]
Dan Le Batard
That is super convenient. Sell your car to Carvana and swap hassle for convenience. Pickup fees may apply.
- [27:08]
Mike Ryan
Billy.
- [27:09]
Stugotz
Yes?
- [27:10]
Mike Ryan
You know what we've been talking about all season long?
- [27:12]
Stugotz
Smirnoff.
- [27:13]
Mike Ryan
Yeah. How'd you guess?
- [27:14]
Stugotz
I knew it. I'm a good guesser.
- [27:16]
Mike Ryan
You are? They are the official sponsor of the Dan lepentard Show with Stugat Soap. You already know that. It's an official vodka. A partner of the NFL. And Super Bowl 59. We're going to be there.
- [27:26]
Stugotz
Oh, yes. I can't believe we're by 59 already. Yeah, time flies.
- [27:30]
Mike Ryan
It does?
- [27:30]
Chris Hayes
Yes.
- [27:31]
Stugotz
We're old.
- [27:32]
Mike Ryan
I'm old.
- [27:33]
Stugotz
Hey, you know what I was thinking?
- [27:35]
Mike Ryan
Yes.
- [27:35]
Stugotz
Since football season's winding down, super bowl is coming up. Super Bowl 59. We've been celebrating football all year. I have an idea.
- [27:42]
Mike Ryan
What?
- [27:43]
Stugotz
Let's do a toast.
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Mike Ryan
Okay. Oh, wow.
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Stugotz
To football.
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Mike Ryan
Really?
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Stugotz
Yeah. Me and you. Let's toast football.
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Mike Ryan
So, just a toast. So we're. We're raising our glasses of smears up.
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Stugotz
Yeah. All right.
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Mike Ryan
And we are toasting.
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Pablo Torre
To football.
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Stugotz
To football.
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Mike Ryan
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Stugotz
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Jessica
Don LeBatard. Jazz. You can't talk about double digit national titles when every single call of you winning the national title sounds like this. Oh, there's. There's Chubby Jagger running down the sideline if the audio. Yeah. And there's a World War II veteran pitching into another white guy. And he avoids another white guy.
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Dan Le Batard
Oh, my God.
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Jessica
Notre Dame. The Fighting Irish have done it again.
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Chris Hayes
For the eighth time.
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Jessica
I'm playing white people.
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Pablo Torre
Sts.
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Chris Hayes
Chubby Checker.
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Jessica
Sorry, sorry.
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Chris Hayes
He's black.
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Jessica
He's black. And I was really. What's a white named Chubby Checker? I picked him. Like, I'm sorry, man. I'm improv in here. This is a pretty cool riffy.
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Pablo Torre
Checker running down the side.
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Jessica
He spells it differently. All right. His name is Chubby. Maybe you didn't hear me correctly. His name is Chubby Checkers. There's an S at the end.
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Mike Ryan
I feel like that should be the largest of five.
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Jessica
Yeah, Chub. And it sounds like a college football name.
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Pablo Torre
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. Jessica has popped into the call here. Stugatz. I was looking forward to her being here today. She was at the game. I was looking forward to crowning her the. The queen of all of college football as a very ardent Notre Dame supporter. And then they come out last night and the first drive, exactly how you want Notre Dame to play and start that game. And Ohio State just sort of happened the next. You know, three methodical drives down the field. No real pressure on the quarterback, converting every third down. And then the game gets away from Notre Dame. How was it? Jessica, I'm sorry. I am sorry for your pain. It was a great Notre Dame football season. And I wanted that game to be closer earlier because once Ohio State got carried away, they proved over the last month that they were better than everyone else in college football.
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Dan Le Batard
Yeah. But we'll Always have that opening drive, Dan. What a beautiful drive it was. I've never seen a drive like that. I mean Pacific Coast Highway. I don't know. The other scenic American drives, Nothing like an 18 play, 75 yard drive, nine and a half minutes, your quarterbacks puking and rallying. I loved it.
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Pablo Torre
It was exactly the way the game needed to start it. It just, it needed to start. It just had to stay there the entire rest of the game.
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Jessica
Herb street said for them to have a chance in this game, they need to run them about like 15 times in this game. And the first drive he runs nine times and is puking afterwards the only.
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Dan Le Batard
Way that it was like the Raven Steelers wild card game but like Lamar Jackson was on the team that I was rooting for for once. I'm like, oh, they're going to keep running him. Okay, sure, it's working.
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Jessica
Were you okay with possibly hospitalizing Riley Leonard if it meant you got more drives like that?
- [31:46]
Dan Le Batard
He was okay with it. I mean I think he would have, he would have definitely take. He was so sad after the. That that made me sad. Seeing him and Jack Kaiser, who's been at Notre Dame for six seasons after the game was. Was I. Yeah, like you said, Dan, like Ohio State, they were the best team in college football all season. Even though they lost some games and had some, some really bad moments and some bad games like, you know, they were, they were better than Notre Dame. So I think Notre Dame really lost this game in the second quarter. Ohio State really won this game in the second quarter.
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Pablo Torre
But there's no shame though in the fact that over the last month of the season, since December 21st, Ohio State beat two of the three best SEC teams, beat Oregon, the number one team in the country, and then beat a one loss Notre Dame team. And I think all of the wins were by double digits. Like. Yeah, I don't know how you argue with that. Is that is a steamrolling. We haven't seen over four games at the end of the season since LSU did it.
- [32:42]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, it's like very different than what college football fans are used to too. I mean I've seen all these arguments about like devaluing the regular season. I'm not saying like the 12 team playoff is better or worse, but it is just different than what fans are used to. Like to have a team, you know, that lost twice in the regular season go on a run like this and win the national championship is different. But you can't say that they didn't deserve it. You can't say they're not the best team in college football. They've beaten like four of the top 10 teams in the final eight people just like in the last month. Like they're obviously stand out amongst a crowd of really good teams and you know, unfortunately I'm a Notre Dame fan and Notre Dame was a really good team this year. They just weren't as good as Ohio State and I think, you know, it's a bummer and obviously it got close late in the game so there's like a little bit of hope. But at the end of the day Ohio State was just, you know, played a better full game, a better, more complete game. And so yeah, they came away with the win. Much deserved though I think.
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Jessica
Jess, I know I'm playing the result a little bit because the field goal was doinked and the miss actually did loom large there as it was potentially a 10 point game. It could have still been a one score game. But I was surprised that Notre Dame decided to kick it at that moment. Were you?
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Dan Le Batard
Yeah, I was very surprised. That was the sort of in game decision making that went, you know, I kind of at this point in, in like the three years of Marcus Freeman, I kind of know when he's going to go for when he's not going to go for it. I was surprised and I saw that, you know, the math said it was a toss up. It's basically your four or nine from like, you know, the nine yard line. The chances of scoring a touchdown on fourth and nine, very slim. The chance of making the field goal much higher. But you're only cutting it from a two possession game to a two possession game. So it is a toss up at that point. I understand his explanation of it. I think that, you know, obviously that that's a kick that Mitch Jeter makes most of the time. Like he was hurt during the season and so he wasn't a very accurate kicker. But in the postseason he's been very, very good. He's made much longer field goals than that. So definitely the Doink looms large. However, I understand the decision either way it's a really tough spot. It's probably not what I would have wanted them to decide to do, but ultimately yeah, it looks a lot worse because you missed a chip shot field goal there.
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Pablo Torre
Juju, put it on the poll please. Does the Doink loom large?
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Mike Ryan
It always does. Am I wrong to not care about Riley Leonard's disappointment after the game last night? Like I understand the other guys, they poured five or six years into Notre Dame. He poured one like he was lucky to have that opportunity. I don't care what Riley Leonard felt like after the game started. Sorry.
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Dan Le Batard
It's okay if you don't care about. Right. No one's making you care about Riley letter. You could care about whatever you want to care about.
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Pablo Torre
Put it on the poll.
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Dan Le Batard
Notre Dame fans care about it, but, like, you don't have to care about.
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Jessica
It on the poll.
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Pablo Torre
Does Dugouts have to care about Riley?
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Dan Le Batard
Why would you have to care?
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Mike Ryan
You were close to getting me there.
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Chris Hayes
You really were.
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Mike Ryan
The tears. He was upset. The other guy put in six years.
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Pablo Torre
I do think just. I think people want to know how you felt. Do you immediately go to perspective? Great season. Oh, my God. Ohio State is overwhelming. Or does it. I mean, you had. Certainly after that first drive, you must have been like, oh, maybe.
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Dan Le Batard
I mean, yeah, like the first drive was. Was great. And I was like, this is a good start. But going into the game, I think I was pretty realistic about it. Like, it had to be a low scoring game for Notre Dame to win. I think it was a difficult test for Notre Dame. I predicted Ohio State would win, so I wasn't, like, expecting Notre Dame to. To pull one off. I hoped that they would, but. Yeah, I mean, honestly, to be honest, I know you guys want my tears. I understand this isn't fun for anyone to have perspective the day after losing a national championship game, but I had a really fun weekend. I got some. The media gift was this nice Nike fleece crew neck. I got a Perry the Pylon stuffed animal.
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Pablo Torre
That's all that really matters.
- [36:30]
Dan Le Batard
I got to be on field before a national championship feels like one, and see the end of this amazing season come to its conclusion. It's been a really fun run, and I hope Notre Dame's back next year. I think there's so much young talent on this team. Obviously, Riley Leonard's gone, and CJ Carr will probably start at quarterback next year. And he, you know, hasn't. Hasn't played before. He's. He's a underclassman right now. But there's a lot to look forward to if you're a Notre Dame fan. And it's. I mean, the. The last three games that they won were some of the most fun games Notre Dame's won in, you know, 30 years. So it's hard not to have that perspective. Right. I didn't expect this team going into season. We all had high expectations for Ohio State. This roster cost a ton of money. They did so well in the transfer portal. And they're, you know, always a great team. They're always in the hunt for the playoff. They're always in the hunt for the Big Ten championship. That wasn't how I really felt about Notre Dame going into the season. I thought this would be a really good Notre Dame team. And then, you know, some attrition started happening. They obviously lost to niu. And I thought, like, okay, this is a above average Notre Dame team, but I don't expect them to play in the national championship game. Obviously, I was wrong. This is a well above average Notre Dame team, and they're the second best team in the country when all is said and done. So, you know, I don't feel like this is, like, team of destiny stuff, missing out on a championship.
- [37:44]
Pablo Torre
We're out of time. I need to know the name of that thing. What is that toy that you got there? It makes it all right. It makes everything all right.
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Dan Le Batard
Big winner.
- [37:51]
Pablo Torre
Big winner. Look at that. Look at there. That's all you need in times of soothing. There it is. They give her a toy and everything is fine.
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Dan Le Batard
Yeah, sure thing. Hey, you sold that car yet?
- [38:05]
Chris Hayes
Yeah, sold it to Carvana.
- [38:07]
Dan Le Batard
Oh, I thought you were selling to that guy.
- [38:09]
Chris Hayes
The guy who wanted to pay me in foreign currency, no interest over 36 months.
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Jessica
Yeah.
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Pablo Torre
No.
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Chris Hayes
Carvana gave me an offer in minutes, picked it up and paid me on the spot. It was so convenient.
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Dan Le Batard
Just like that?
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Jessica
Yeah.
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Dan Le Batard
No hassle?
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Pablo Torre
None.
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Dan Le Batard
That is super convenient. Convenient? Sell your car to Carvana and swap Hassle for convenience. Pickup fees may apply. All set for your flight?
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Jessica
Yep.
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Pablo Torre
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Chris Hayes
Wait.
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Stugotz
I'm gonna leave you to it.
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