Transcript

Dan LeBatard (0:00)

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stu Guts podcast. You read her on Bleacher Report. She is one of the hosts of the Too Many Men podcast. She is Sarah Sivian. Sarah, hello. How are you today?

Sarah Sivian (0:17)

Oh, I'm fabulous now, how are you guys?

Dan LeBatard (0:21)

So help us out here with a conversation we were having earlier with, you know, you got putting the politics part aside with Team USA winning, but you know, USA Canada, massive rivalry no matter what. Is there a scenario like could Conor Hellebuk, who was amazing and won the gold medal, is there a scenario where the home crowd could wind up booing him when he's introduced?

Sarah Sivian (0:45)

I think so. And it's not just because of the politics, right. It's because the amount of times he wasn't able to do exactly what he did in the playoffs, whether it's his fault or not. I do have problems with the way the Winnipeg jets are structured, but beyond that, I think jets fans are really frustrated with the way this season has gone and they're kind of frustrated with the opportunities lost when they had a heart trophy winning goalie.

Dan LeBatard (1:11)

What about Auston Matthews? Like, same situation, right, where not winning big in the playoffs wins a gold medal as the captain. Could they boo him?

Sarah Sivian (1:21)

Yeah, they boo their own quite often, so I'd say they're more likely to boo. And they already got the headlines coming out that he's a traitor. So it is what it is.

Stu Guts (1:30)

In Toronto, as always, the conversation is going to be whether Connor McDavid likes it or not, whether or not he can make a Stanley cup run with his pals up there in Edmonton this springtime. And especially coming off of losing the gold medal game, what sort of odds do you put on their ability in in what feels like a top heavy Campbell Conference? I'm not going to call it the west in the, in the ca. It seems like there are a couple of real heavy.

Dan LeBatard (1:55)

But you know, by saying that Campbell and then saying you're not going to call the West.

Stu Guts (1:58)

I know now being called the west, you're right, I'm being cute, I'm being sel. But. But nevertheless, Sarah, how say you.

Sarah Sivian (2:05)

Nevertheless, that's going to. The current playoff format is going to sting them there because you look at how hard it is to get out of the west, right, with the Central Division, the top three there. But then again, they might eat each other alive in the first round. So I think that actually might give the Oilers in the Pacific a better shot. But they have to get past, of course, the Golden Knights. Then there's a few younger teams coming up. I don't know. The Kings are kind of flailing, and they're without Fiala now. So I think McDavid, I mean, he's so motivated to get it done. He has that bridge deal. I could see it happening. At the same time, the goaltending, it's improved since Skinner's gone, but can you really say that? I can see what they do.

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 2: Dave Doesn't Know Any Mariah Carey Songs (with Sara Civian)
Date: February 26, 2026

Episode Overview

Broadcast live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their crew welcome Sara Civian—Bleacher Report writer and “Too Many Men” podcast host—for a wide-ranging hour. They begin with passionate hockey talk (Olympics fallout, NHL storylines, and Team USA cultural controversies), blend in some trademark comedic banter, and end up delightfully lost in the Rock and Roll Hall of Fame’s questionable borders, hilariously shaming Dave Damashek for his admitted ignorance of Mariah Carey’s catalog.

Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Olympic Hockey, Booing Stars & the Perils of Success

Fan Backlash Dynamics (00:21–02:44)
- Sara Civian unpacks possible home crowd reception for triumphant U.S. Olympic goalie Connor Hellebuyck, noting, "Jets fans are really frustrated with the way this season has gone...they’re kind of frustrated with the opportunities lost when they had a heart trophy winning goalie." (00:45)
- Similar discussions about Auston Matthews, with Civian dryly observing “Yeah, they boo their own quite often, so I'd say they're more likely to boo.” (01:21)
- Stugotz poses about the Campbell (West) Conference’s heavyweights, leading Civian to note, “The playoff format...is going to sting them there...But maybe that helps the Oilers in the Pacific,” while expressing skepticism about Edmonton's goaltending. (02:05)

2. US Hockey and the Team USA Controversy

Handling Political Overtones (03:27–04:52)
- Audio is played from Team USA goalie Jeremy Swayman apologizing for the infamous joke involving the women’s national team and Trump: “We should have reacted differently. We know that...now that we're home, we get to share that together forever and see the incredible support that we have from the USA...” (03:27)
- Sara Civian: “That's all we needed, right?...Just admitting, hey, the joke was in bad taste...What Swayman did helps kind of quiet that and get the focus back...” (03:51)
- Civian doubts the women’s team will accept Trump’s White House invite, saying, “I think the statement some of them made...was by design. I think it was kind of, hey, we want to party with Flavor Flav, right? He celebrated us. Go where you're wanted. Not where you're tolerated." (04:30)
- US Women’s Captain Hilary Knight’s Take: “No, I just thought the joke was distasteful and unfortunate...I want the legacy of this team to be remembered. And so that's what I'm trying to, you know, shift the narrative on and really focus and championing what we've accomplished.” (04:52)

3. NHL/Olympic Growth and Critique

Why Doesn’t Hockey Stick? (07:11–08:18)
- Dan Le Batard wonders why hockey’s Olympic/International magic fades domestically: “If we're all acknowledging how amazing the sport is, when are we going to get to the point that the NHL and hockey now actually, you know, ascends in this country?” (07:07)
- Civian suggests, “The frequency of hockey is a lot...they're not all best on best, right. And there's 82 of them...Maybe the rules with overtime...teams are chasing a loser point. The third period is an absolute dud.” (07:51)

4. More Hockey: McDavid, Crosby, Playoff Outlooks

Playoff Hopes & Injuries (09:00–12:46)
- Civian details Crosby’s impact, Pittsburgh’s hopes sans their captain, and weighs in on top talent: “You saw even the best of the best offense in Team Canada kind of fall apart without their leader...[Crosby] would do everything humanly possible to play. So the fact that he didn’t means he really couldn’t.” (09:00, 10:44)

5. Hockey Player or Prescription Drug?

Lighthearted Segment: “Kobenphy or Pareko?” (13:07–14:36)
- Stugotz introduces a game for Civian: Is “Kobenphy” a Blackhawks goalie or a schizophrenia drug? “That's gonna be a schizophrenia treatment for sure.” – Civian nails it. (13:37)
- Next, “Pareko—St. Louis Blues defenseman or bronchitis medication?” Civian jokes: “That is, in fact, a Blues defenseman. I think a lot of people on that roster are suffering from bronchitis from how terrible this season has gone...” (14:20)

6. Trade Deadline Predictions

(14:57–15:13)
- Sara Civian predicts Vincent Trocheck as the biggest name likely to be moved: “To the Wild. I mean, Bill Garon has seen enough.” (15:10)

The Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: Banter, Debates and Mariah Carey Ignorance

7. “Why Are We Still Debating Who Belongs?” (20:22–24:00)

The crew dig into the annual "Rock and Roll Hall of Fame: Not Always Rock" tradition, railing against purists and unclear criteria.
- Dan Le Batard: “I feel like, it’s implied at this point that the Rock and Roll hall of Fame is just...the Music hall of Fame, right?” (20:44)
- Stu Guts: “Because even though rock and roll, much like jazz and otherwise and hip hop start in the US, the Brits alone have beaten us at our own game there.” (21:15)
- Dave Damashek rattles off the full list of 2026 nominees: Mariah Carey, Lauryn Hill, New Edition, Sade, Pink, Shakira, Luther Vandross, Black Crows, Jeff Buckley, Phil Collins, Iron Maiden, Joy Division/New Order, Inxs, Oasis, Wu Tang Clan. (22:47)

8. Ignorance Exposed: The Mariah Carey Gap

Stu Guts admits, shockingly:
- “I don’t know. Mariah care.” (26:54)
- “I don’t know what songs Mariah.” (27:01)
- “So far I’m over three, over four.” (28:56)
- The panel explodes at his lack of familiarity with hits like “Always Be My Baby,” “One Sweet Day,” and the Christmas classic.
- Mike Ryan: “Who’s this Michael Jordan I keep hearing about?” (27:04)
- Dave Damashek: “We can tell. Showing your bare ass.” (26:59)
- Dan Le Batard: “Somebody needs to make you Mariah Carey mixtape, man.” (29:23)
Memorable exchange:
- Mike Ryan: “What are you doing that face for?”
- Stu Guts: “I don’t. Mariah Carey...”
- Mike Ryan: “Absolutely, yes.” (27:10)

9. The One Album Rule & Lauryn Hill

Debate on Album Output as Hall Criteria:
- “Well, it’s quite possibly the most complete album ever created.” —Mike Ryan, on Lauryn Hill’s “Miseducation...” (31:22)
- Damashek: “She had the one album. This isn’t Lauryn Hill as a member of the Fugees...” (31:27)
- Argument continues about Jeff Buckley’s legacy and one-off Hall cases.

10. Are Some Legends “Locks”?

“Three locks: Mariah, Phil Collins, Wu Tang” (34:19):
- The panel agrees these are non-negotiable inductees but jousts over Sade, Oasis, and the supposed snubbing of Iron Maiden.
- “Sade’s going in before Wooten. Look, this is what I’m gonna say. I’m surprised Sade’s not already In.” —Mike Ryan (34:36)
- “Are you surprised that Iron Maiden is not in?” —Dan Le Batard (36:27)
- “I actually think the Rock and Roll hall of Fame is an utter and complete load of bollocks...” —Bruce Dickinson, Iron Maiden frontman (36:30)

11. Greatest American Bands?

Discussion veers to the “greatest American band ever” question.
- Stugotz: “REM is the best American band.” (38:09)
- Dave Damashek: “You like fish? In terms of influence…”
- Stugotz: “…I bet you if you were able to talk to Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder and so on, they would say, there is no us without REM.” (39:49)
- Panel further debates Tom Petty & The Heartbreakers, Bruce Springsteen & E Street Band, with jokes about “name a second Heartbreaker.” (40:44)

12. Band Naming Inequities and Chipmunk Logic

Hilarious Sidebar (40:49–41:59):
- Dan riffs: “The Dave Matthews Band, you know, is the greatest violator of this of all is Alvin with the two other Chipmunks. But you have to have low self esteem to be one of the other two Chipmunks. Alvin’s gonna front the band…” (40:50)
- Panel lists Simon, Theodore and muses on Hootie and the Blowfish, ELO (Jeff Lynne’s ELO).

Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

Sara Civian on Olympic Controversy:

“Just admitting, hey, the joke was in bad taste, and now it has spawned this whole conversation…What Swayman did helps kind of quiet that and get the focus back on how dominant these two USA teams are.” (03:51)
Stugotz, blissfully unironic:

“I don’t know what songs Mariah [Carey]…” (27:01)
Mike Ryan, riffing on the absurd:

“Who’s this Michael Jordan I keep hearing about?” (27:04)
Dan Le Batard:

“Somebody needs to make you Mariah Carey mixtape, man.” (29:23)
Bruce Dickinson (Iron Maiden), on the Hall:

“I actually think the Rock and Roll hall of Fame is an utter and complete load of bollocks, to be honest with you. It's run by a bunch of sanctimonious bloody Americans who wouldn't know rock and roll...” (36:29)
Dan Le Batard, chipmunk philosopher:

“Alvin's gonna front the band. Like, yeah, he gets name checked. We're just the two Chipmunks. You're magical chipmunks too...I think it's a disgrace on Alvin's part. But also the other two.” (40:50)

Timestamps For Key Segments

00:21–02:44: Hockey's Olympic stars & home crowd reception
03:27–04:52: Team USA locker room controversy/Apologies (Swayman, Knight)
07:11–08:18: Why hockey can't "stick" as a big American sport
09:00–12:46: Playoff races, injuries (Crosby, Matthews), and Preds for the Cup
13:07–14:36: Hockey player or prescription? (Kobenphy, Pareko)
14:57–15:13: Deadline trade predictions—Trocheck to the Wild
20:22–24:00: Rock and Roll Hall of Fame debate kicks off
26:54–29:23: Stugotz reveals he doesn’t know any Mariah Carey songs, group shaming
31:22–31:27: Lauryn Hill’s legacy: amazing album but one-album wonder?
34:19–36:06: Hall “locks” and snubs (Mariah, Phil Collins, Wu Tang, Sade, Iron Maiden)
38:09–41:59: Best American Bands? R.E.M., Tom Petty, E Street Band, and “Chipmunk Justice”

Tone & Style

The conversation is quintessentially “Le Batard Show”: energetic, irreverent, and self-aware—mixing pointed sports insight with gleeful pop-culture absurdities, and always ready to roast friends on air for musical ignorance or band name nit-picking.

For New Listeners

This episode is a perfect encapsulation of the show’s appeal—sharp sports analysis swerves seamlessly into riotous cultural debates, making both domains feel accessible and fun. The affectionate mockery of Stugotz’s Mariah Carey gap is a must-hear moment, topped only by the group’s willingness to debate Nickelodeon bands and the existential meaning of “greatest American band”.

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