Dan Le Batard (2:49)

We do. We have. We have air traffic control dispatches that Chris Cody is now going to play.

Chris Cody (2:55)

Yes, sir. We have got an altercation on board. We knocked at a clarity emergency and land. We got a bunch of basketball players fighting. The flight deck is secure. The flat level is contained for the moment. We just had police on the ground and we had two players that got into physical altercation. Clothes were ripped and one blood player. And center 20,681. It's kind of crazy. Will we direct Montgomery?

Dan Le Batard (3:24)

So this was en route to Houston where this fight broke out. And you might be thinking, hmm, like why are they have to turn a plane around for a fight? But then I saw a picture of how small this plane was and there's. There's a decent chance the pilots could feel the jostling around back there. This plane was probably rocking. It was a small plane and people were. Body parts were flying. I guess clothes were ripped and it kind of makes sense. They ended up flying back the. They chartered a different flight, went back to Houston. Those players stayed behind and then Auburn won and they celebrated by referencing this incredible moment.

Chris Cody (4:02)

Yes. They're running around the court the way that Patrick Mahomes ran around the field yesterday when they won. Is it more fun to run around with your arms spread like this? This is how Mahomes, Mahomes showed more joy on the field at the end of that blocked field goal. And I would ask this question via poll at Le Batard show. Can you have any faith in your Athlet athletic team when you're sending Lutz out there to do the winning? Someone named Lutz.

Dan Le Batard (4:29)

I will take it one step further. I didn't realize until last week he only has one L in his first name. That one slipped by me. That one slipped by me.

Chris Cody (4:38)

For you thought it was a double L?

Dan Le Batard (4:40)

Yeah, I mean. Oh, oh, I'm sorry.

Chris Cody (4:43)

No, I just. I'm just. I'm asking because how the lut you were imagining was a double L. Are there a lot of double Ls in last names that start a last name?

Dan Le Batard (4:54)

Will has one.

Stugotz (4:55)

The first name has one.

Greg Cody (4:57)

Fine.

Dan Le Batard (4:57)

See you made the same. How many 1L wills do you know?

Chris Cody (5:01)

I thought, well, he's got another L today.

Dan Le Batard (5:04)

He thought it was like Lloyd, like two Ls in the last name, like Lutz or like Greg Williams.

Mike Ryan (5:11)

Why would you spell Will with one L? Like, what's the parent thinking? You know, what's that short for?

Greg Cody (5:16)

I mean, you spell Greg with one.

Mike Ryan (5:18)

G. That's the norm.

Dan Le Batard (5:20)

Did everyone know this? Am I?

Chris Cody (5:22)

Well, I thought.

Greg Cody (5:23)

First time I learned it, when you.

Chris Cody (5:24)

Said it, I thought you were talking about Lutz. Started his last name with two Ls, and so now I'm just looking at ways to make jokes about Ls. Because he got an easy field goal blocked. He got the 30. You're not expecting the 35 yarder to get blocked. You're expecting the 50 yarder to get blocked.

Stugotz (5:42)

You got to get that low trajectory on those 50 yarders, and that's where those big boys can put up. But when you get that one, you got that pop shot up. It's just a great.

Dan Le Batard (5:49)

I'm sorry.

Stugotz (5:50)

Great, great penetration by the. By the line.

Dan Le Batard (5:52)

Oh, yeah. I need to go back for a second. We all didn't know Will Lutz had one L in his first name, correct? Correct. Okay, that. Actually, that makes me feel a lot better because I don't play fantasy football anymore. And that when I saw it, I was like, I bet if I played fantasy, I would know this. So then I googled it, and I was like, maybe his first name is just W I, L and not William. Or maybe it's William with one L, but it's not. It's William with two Ls, but then.

Chris Cody (6:17)

Shortened to one L. Shortened to one L? That doesn't make any sense.

Mike Ryan (6:19)

No.

Dan Le Batard (6:20)

Thank you. If anyone knows why this is the case, please let me know.

Chris Cody (6:23)

It's been bugging me all the time. Let all of us know. And in the interim, let's just hear Kevin Harlan's guttural reaction. He went and got it. He went and got it from under his groin.

Stugotz (6:36)

He always does, though.

Chris Cody (6:37)

Yeah, but this was. This was a stunner. We weren't. We weren't expecting that. I don't know what I expected. Maybe a miss. Is Kansas City going to get lucky here? I wasn't going to actually expect them to produce their own luck by blocking the field goal. I was as surprised as Harlan was.

Mike Ryan (6:55)

Maybe the Chiefs will give him another.

Chris Cody (6:56)

L. I've already felt like I made that joke a couple of times with the L, and you guys are not listening. He did it better. He did it better. Okay.

Stugotz (7:05)

All right.

Mike Ryan (7:05)

Well, when I do it, it's done.

Chris Cody (7:07)

Okay.

Mike Ryan (7:07)

Me maximum.

Chris Cody (7:08)

All right. All right, let's see.

Mike Ryan (7:10)

There's a Will, there's an L. Okay, That's.

Chris Cody (7:14)

Greg Cody.

Greg Cody (7:15)

Major penalty, five minutes. Me maximum.

Dan Le Batard (7:24)

I'll serve that on Greg's behalf.

Chris Cody (7:26)

That was my joke, right. Wow. I haven't seen that happen around here before. But we're making our own rules.

Dan Le Batard (7:32)

I haven't seen Greg deliver a line I've delivered in his ear before.

Mike Ryan (7:35)

Thank you.

Dan Le Batard (7:36)

So really good teamwork.

Chris Cody (7:38)

Yeah. Okay. Or bad team work. That's getting you.

Mike Ryan (7:41)

It's on me. I wasn't going to throw you under the bus. No, that's totally on me.

Chris Cody (7:45)

Okay. Way to go, Greg. Good. Good team player. I wanted to talk with you and Mike Ryan about what happened to Inter Miami on Friday, because Saturday. Saturday. Thank you. It's the highest paid team in the sport. It's the best regular season team there's ever been in the sport. The first time there have been two 20 goal scorers. I saw that Taylor Twelman put out that in the last 18 games that Messi has played, where he has played all 90 minutes for Inter Miami, they are 15 and 3. All three of the losses are against Atlanta. And they just had their season extinguished in something that has to represent one of the great postseason collapses that we've seen. Losing that early, when you have that payroll and that kind of star power we discussed last week. I was saying I will not call this season a failure just because they're building something here and they've built it. And there were plenty of people who cared about what was happening against Atlanta. But there is no arguing that when you've had the regular season, they have. And when you have that payroll, you're expecting more. And that this ended with the greatest duck fart that you can can have. Losing at home in Fort Lauderdale to Atlanta, losing to a team that you're better than because soccer happens sometimes. And, and losing to a 40 year old goalie, on top of that, losing to a 40 year old goalie. When you control the entire game, you're taking all the shots, you control everything. And next thing you know you're finished because the. The Guzman is laughing in your face.

Billy Gil (9:22)

Brad Guzan, not Guzman. Legendary international keeper for the US Men's National Team. To dismiss him as a 40 year old keeper is. Guzman got unbelievable disrespect for one of the great legends.

Chris Cody (9:39)

He's 40 years old.

Mike Ryan (9:40)

Yeah, he's really good though. And he doesn't have to move around that much. You can be a 40 year old goalie.

Billy Gil (9:46)

Brad Guzman, as Dan likes to call him. Yeah, you can be, especially at the club level, you can be a very effective goalie at 40 years old. Brad Guzman.

Mike Ryan (9:56)

It does sound like a name. American legend in respect to Dan, Brad.

Billy Gil (10:00)

Guzman sounds like we do one thing historically well and consistent enough and that's produce but apparently not good enough for.

Chris Cody (10:07)

Nano to know your last 40 year old goalie cannot be knocking you out of the playoffs.

Billy Gil (10:11)

I mean you could say nobody can be knocking you out the playoffs and speak with a good amount of conviction there. And we, we talked about this. I will say, as much as I wanted enter Miami to advance on this playoff, being a supporter of the club, part of me is like a legacy MLS fan is reveling in the fact that Messi couldn't get past Dax McCarty and Brad Guzman, as Dan likes to call, because it's, it's a kooky playoff. It takes essentially a month to play. The best of three.

Mike Ryan (10:39)

Ridiculous.

Billy Gil (10:40)

They got, they got a bit unlucky with Busquets illness. Busquets tries to give it a go a little bit and has some minutes and some playing time against Atlanta. But where Atlanta and teams had success largely against Inter Miami, this season's on that counterattack. And without Busquets there to help mitigate that, that was, that was difficult. But you should be beating them. And we told you that's ultimately the barometer that us sports fans understand. You have a regular season, you have a postseason. The best team wins a postseason here in the United States. That's how it goes. And if they're not going to win that, that tournament, then they're not going to convince the casual sports fans that this is a success.

Mike Ryan (11:22)

And the problem is the supporter winning. The Supporter Shield has almost become a curse. In eight, only eight of 29 Supporters Shield winners have gone on to win the MLS Cup. But they didn't just lose in the first round. They lost to a team with a losing record. They lost to a team whose entire roster made less money than Lionel Messi did by $5 million. So they look Inter Miami could have gotten to the, to the MLS cup final and lost and it still would have been a letdown. That's how much of a favorite they were, a betting favorite. And otherwise you just have to win it all. If you're Messi after that regular season, there's no excuse. And I know Atlanta is a tough matchup for them. You know, Atlanta has won four and tied one the last six meetings between these teams. There's something about Atlanta United, but there's no excuses. They had the roster built to be the best team in MLS history, which has to include a championship.

Dan Le Batard (12:24)

Mike, can you explain what this video was? Or Greg, maybe you can explain what happened here, because I didn't watch this game, but this video popped up of what appears to be a goal followed.

Chris Cody (12:35)

By, look, the goalie's my age. And then he gets pushed into the net.

Dan Le Batard (12:37)

Miami just shoving the keeper into the net, and then he can't get out.

Greg Cody (12:43)

Suarez is like, get up.

Dan Le Batard (12:44)

Why did they do this to him?

Mike Ryan (12:46)

Because Messi was trying to get the ball.

Billy Gil (12:48)

He touched Messi, and so the team's.

Mike Ryan (12:49)

Got to defend Messi. And the goalie was trying to get the ball from Messi, or the goalie.

Billy Gil (12:54)

Wanted to do some shit Hausery, which was prevent Messi from getting the ball to avoid the pomp and circumstance and quickly play a goal that no doubt gets reviewed for 30 minutes after shop is so funny.

Greg Cody (13:06)

Suarez just like, come on, get up.

Chris Cody (13:07)

Get out of the net.

Greg Cody (13:08)

What are you putting on?

Mike Ryan (13:09)

Star Show?

Chris Cody (13:09)

The thing that is funniest is indisputably our man Guzman falling into the net there and just being like, he's kind of flopping, but he also can't get out of the.

Billy Gil (13:24)

It isn't every day that Messi scores with a header.

Greg Cody (13:26)

That was the craziest part about that.

Billy Gil (13:29)

There was one controversial goal that I didn't really have an issue with it. And that Atlanta scored a goal while an Inter Miami player was writhing in pain inside their own box earlier. Yes, there. That's a dumb discussion. You play to. You played to the whistle. I understand. There's a sportsmanship where you'll see, like, a player go down and the team, like, kicks it out of bounds.

Greg Cody (13:49)

Not in the box, though.

Billy Gil (13:50)

They were. They were on the attack there. I had no issue with it. They got mls, they got. Look, it's hard to win knockout tournaments, especially in soccer, because so many of the variables can change. And that's embarrassing for Inter Miami. Ultimately. I think it took David Beckham a while to win that one, too. There's more trophies for them to win now that Messi is in there. And they've certainly won enough for, at least in the eyes of FIFA, for them to get the real prize out of this season, which was earned placement in next year's Club World cup, where FIFA has already announced Inter Miami will be opening up that tournament. It's a World cup, but just for club teams. So you get the best of your best in Middle east, best of Asia, best of Latin America, and best here of North America. They're going to be opening that tournament at Hard Rock Stadium. So I guess using that as a qualifier, they're in the tournament then I guess it was a good season, but it was all kind of weird how they engineered that. I guess. I'm the president of everybody. You're in. Okay, well.

Chris Cody (14:49)

But you say you guys are making it very all or nothing. Okay. You're saying either you win a championship or there isn't something that feels.

Billy Gil (14:59)

I'm not saying that, but that's. That's Joe Sports fan here in the United States. That's what Billy would say. That's what Stugotts would say. And they don't really care. They're just getting a reaction. But you have to win that. That's it. He joined mls. He hasn't won mls. He's won a Supporter Shield and he's won a league's cup. Those are different. He's going to get judged on by most people what he does in that season's tournament.

Mike Ryan (15:23)

Right. And the fact is, Inter Miami only has him for two full seasons. Right. And next year, the odds are they're not going to win the Supporters Shield again. Messi's going to be a year older. The league will have had an entire cycle of Messi to get used to him in defending him. And I just think this was the year after the regular season they had. This was his year.

Billy Gil (15:47)

He's shown that he's pretty good, though, Greg. Like, I think he's going to be good next year. I understand. Like, they're going to add. They're going to add players to that roster. They're still going to be. They're going to still have deeper coffers.

Mike Ryan (15:57)

They're just going to.

Billy Gil (15:58)

They're just going to have more lottery shots.

Chris Cody (16:00)

It's not that you guys are just making it all or nothing or putting the appraisal where sports fans do on. If you have the best regular season, you have to win the championship. The thing that's deflating about it is it wasn't even any kind of run. You're losing to a team with a worse record and it's just sort of soccer happening to you in a small sample size in a weird playoff format that has you playing three games in a month.

Billy Gil (16:21)

Better now than at the end. If they're not going to win. Let's save his legs. Not have him go through that many games. It stinks. But you'll. You'll have to prioritize. This year they didn't make the regular season the priority. They had to suffer through a lot of injuries and they ended up still setting a record for the regular season. They tried to do things where they prioritize the CONCACAF Champions League or Champions cup, whatever it's called now. That didn't turn out well. They tried to make a run even though Messi was hurt in leagues. Cup fell short. They did win one trophy. Historically, unless you're the likes of Real Madrid where there's some instances in which you win a trophy and not everybody's happy with it. Winning a trophy in a season when you have the ability to win three or more, that's not a bad season.

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Chris Cody (18:08)

Don Leard I don't think I ever got that many roses in my whole life. Stugots. Certainly not from your lovely grandfather. God. May a soul rest in peace. This is the Don Levitar show with these two gods. Mike Ryan has to go to help Chris Whittingham with the podcast that's very popular soccer podcast goal list that Metal Arc is making along with Chris Whittingham. But before you go, let's send him off as punctuation video. Do you have the ability to show us Guzman in the net very slowly, slow motion trying to get out of the net after he gets pushed in here. He's furious. He's bald. He looks like Pinhead from the horror.

Dan Le Batard (18:58)

Movie Cartoon sound effects would be so good.

Chris Cody (19:01)

Behind us okay, but let's do this in slow motion first, because this is funny, and it would happen to any of us. It's. Yeah, it's how I try to get out of the ball pit when I have fallen into the ball pit and my local Chuck E. Cheese's.

Stugotz (19:14)

When?

Dan Le Batard (19:14)

Yesterday?

Chris Cody (19:15)

Last month. Last month. Yes. It's in the ball pit. Very slow motion. You know what? He did better. He did better than most under the circumstances, as if he has some experience propelling himself out of the awkwardness of a net.

Greg Cody (19:31)

I love how protected Messi is. Number eight on Inter. Miami shoves him into the net, and no one's upset about it because, hey.

Chris Cody (19:38)

You bumped messy Gooseman. Guzman was certainly upset.

Mike Ryan (19:41)

He looks like a marionette trying to get out of the net.

Dan Le Batard (19:46)

This is one of the best soccer videos I've ever seen.

Chris Cody (19:48)

It is great.

Dan Le Batard (19:49)

If they did this more I'd watch.

Greg Cody (19:51)

You'd watch more warning in his face. Oh, great.

Chris Cody (19:55)

I want to run through a little bit more football with you guys. Are you guys as surprised as I am whenever young Way Koo misses any field goals? Never mind all of the field goals. I don't know if you guys were surprised at all by Moody missing three field goals yesterday. And then Debo Samuel wanting to kill everybody on his team, including the long snapper.

Greg Cody (20:18)

That's the part I was surprised by. Like, it was literally Debo on the sideline. Like, did he smack the snapper?

Stugotz (20:24)

Both of them, like, in one shot?

Chris Cody (20:26)

Just didn't. He didn't he put his hands on the throat of the long snapper and then apologized to Moody for being Moody about it.

Dan Le Batard (20:34)

The vibes were so weird in that game because it was like, oh, McCaffrey's back.

Billy Gil (20:38)

We're.

Dan Le Batard (20:38)

We're humming a little bit like Kittle that that touchdown was the throw was the scramble. The throw, the catch was amazing.

Chris Cody (20:45)

Purdy made two plays at the end of that game that could have only been topped by the two that Mayfield made. And then they lose because Tampa loses because Moody finally does make one of the four kick.

Greg Cody (20:58)

Brock Purdy has a little Duncan Robinson in him that anytime he does anything athletic, I'm just shocked at it every time because Purdy is legitimately good at, like. Like, seeing pressure getting out of the pocket. But every time, I'm always like, he's sneaking up.

Chris Cody (21:10)

No, Chris, this is what's happening. Foxworth spoke to this in a second ago. Both Purdy and Baker Mayfield are great athletes compared to anyone in the world. You know, they're just not great athletes. When being chased by 350 pound people who are more athletic than anyone, you.

Stugotz (21:29)

Also know, except when Nick Bosa is trying to bring you down, and Baker all of a sudden just has the arm of steel and just like, doesn't let him go. That throws a rope to Rashad White.

Dan Le Batard (21:38)

It's like when you're eating food on the couch and your dog's trying to get it and you gotta just stick the arm out. You just gotta stick the arm out. And it worked. It was ridiculous.

Mike Ryan (21:46)

Yep.

Stugotz (21:46)

To that moody point, though, you come back from injury, right? You have a high ankle sprain, you're out for five weeks. You're starting to get back into the flow of things. Hey, you miss a couple kicks, that's part of the deal, right? I got my ankle rolled up on, it's screwed up. And then a teammate makes you feel worse about it and then smacks you with it. It's like, what are we doing here?

Chris Cody (22:03)

I cannot talk enough to the audience in general about how little respect real football players have for the guys deciding games who do not play real football. I cannot articulate to you, cannot explain to you. They don't think they're actual football players. And they all secretly feel like Deebo Samuel. They just don't want to all strangle the long snapper for costing them games. When Deebo Samuel was in the hospital recently, do you know what they're doing to their bodies to win those games? And then the kicker comes out and starts bleeping with their money, with everything. They do not respect those guys. They. They're not playing the same sport that Debo Samuel is playing. And Debo Samuel resents that they're deciding the games for him.

Greg Cody (22:50)

I'm trying to think of other professions where this exists. Like someone's job that can be very important at times, but you're just disrespected a lot. Like, in our world, Like. Like the IT guy. Like, we don't care about GQ until something breaks. And we're like, God damn it, GQ no stink.

Stugotz (23:06)

He's an engineer, though. He's not an ikea.

Greg Cody (23:08)

Whatever. I'm just.

Dan Le Batard (23:09)

Yeah, I. I guess that proves your point.

Chris Cody (23:11)

What are you doing? And Robert is the IT guy, and you're just taking.

Greg Cody (23:14)

Robert's also an engineer, but Robert kind of like kickers. Robert's one of these people. You might not talk to him for a few days, but if something goes wrong, we're like, God damn it, Robert.

Mike Ryan (23:22)

Valid.

Greg Cody (23:23)

Thank you, dad.

Mike Ryan (23:24)

That is valid. And by the way, nobody had A worse game than Koo, who's a Lobo. And so the Lobos could have used him.

Chris Cody (23:33)

You're like me, you're surprised anytime he misses a kick of any sort. Correct.

Mike Ryan (23:37)

And here's the problem for kickers. It used to be if you miss a 50 yard field goal, all right, that's a long kick. You know, we don't blame you. Now if you're taking a 58 yard kick, I expect you to make that. I think it's gotten by 10 yards at least. The kicker is now expected to make kicks that he wasn't expected to make before.

Greg Cody (23:56)

Yeah, like last, last night. Bates for the Lion. It was a 58 yarder to win it. And I'm just like, I mean, he's obviously got enough leg.

Mike Ryan (24:03)

You have to make that.

Greg Cody (24:04)

And he did.

Mike Ryan (24:05)

Because it's never short.

Greg Cody (24:06)

It's crazy. Like these kicks. Someone's going to make a 70 yard kick the way they're making these 58 yarders.

Mike Ryan (24:11)

It's crazy because they all make them by distance and they're never short. It's always left or right.

Chris Cody (24:15)

What do you guys do with the way that the Lions won that football game? And to be in the rare air, this is not. I don't have any experience with this. The Lions have been bad the entire time I've been alive. The Lions are not a team, an organization that can ever be trusted to do the correct things because never mind that they're better than everyone else because they simply can't be trusted to do the right things. Chris Cody is watching that game last night, watching Jared Goff throw five interceptions and saying there is no circumstance under which Detroit's not winning this football game. That is a level of faith that I have never assigned, not even for a quarter, not on a Thanksgiving. I have never assigned that kind of competence to a Detroit Lions franchise in my lifetime. Where you would believe that. Yeah, Houston's not going to win here. Even though Jared Goff is turning the ball over five times.

Greg Cody (25:11)

They're down 237 and I thought they were going to cover. I had the Texans plus three and a half. I was like, my wife is like, oh, you're up to. I'm like, no, this is the Lions. They're going to come back like, that team is so just like that offense, dude, well oiled.

Chris Cody (25:25)

There is no team in the sport that can beat you more ways. Right? Because they had Goff, like had 23 yards the other day and they were. They were winning by 40 because their special teams had three different touchdowns. Their offensive line is as strong as any in the sport. And then in the second half of that game, as they're putting up the fourth quarter point, you're watching, and Houston's got nothing since halftime. They can't get points after halftime because of how restrictive everything gets when Nico Collins is hurt there.

Stugotz (25:54)

That and Aiden Hutchinson, who was their best pass rusher, still is like top 10 or something in pressures for a defensive line. He hasn't played in like five weeks.

Chris Cody (26:03)

He's probably a little bit longer than that. Was there anything else in college football that jumped out at you guys from this weekend, from the enjoyment of the weekend? Because Miami losing was one of the big stories. But it felt to me that George losing that way and that Georgia's receivers are so bad compared to last year. They've left more yards on the field, I think, than any receivers that we've seen. It's a bit startling for me to see Lane Kiffin do that that way, though, to Georgia. It's not that I'm going to be surprised that Georgia loses an SEC game, but to have it be like that where they're not able to do anything. And I generally assume that Georgia's got better players than the other guys.

Dan Le Batard (26:43)

Carson Beck is not good. Oh, man, he misses brock Bowers and lad McConkey so much. It is insane just how much his play has changed from last year to this season. Like, he is a turnover machine now. It's literally like it's completely made me reevaluate him as a quarterback because if he doesn't have like the world's best receivers with him, he's mid. I think it's a O line issue too, though. Like, the O line's not been playing as well and under pressure he just, just isn't. He's not being. He's not playing well. It's not a good situation.

Stugotz (27:14)

It's TVDS the way that he went from is he the number one pick in the draft to is he a day three pick? Is he a guy who's going to be undrafted? Like, that's how far it's fallen.

Chris Cody (27:24)

Gronk calls Bowers the best tight end ever. Right. Like, says that he's.

Stugotz (27:27)

He's the best tight end in football right now.

Greg Cody (27:29)

Like Trey McBride would like a word.

Chris Cody (27:31)

That guy, that guy yesterday, you see how he threw sauce gardener off him and then just hurdled another defender.

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Mike Ryan (29:56)

He's made great hires.

Billy Gil (29:57)

I said all we've said all.

Chris Cody (30:01)

First time I heard any of this. Greg, everything you're saying, it's all been said. It's all been said.

Mike Ryan (30:06)

Okay. You gotta understand one thing. Stugats me maximum.

Greg Cody (30:09)

That's right.

Mike Ryan (30:10)

Until I say it, it hasn't been said.

Don Le Batard (30:12)

Boom.

Billy Gil (30:12)

Okay.

Mike Ryan (30:13)

Understand that. Until I say it hasn't been said.

Chris Cody (30:20)

This is the Dan Levatar show with these two gods. The stuff with the jets is super interesting. I didn't understand yesterday why the jets were a two point favorite at Arizona. I thought Kyler Murray wasn't playing. I thought he was like a late scratch. When I saw that the jets were favored by two, I'm like, why would the jets be favored by two there?

Mike Ryan (30:46)

That was the weirdest betting line of the week. And I picked Arizona without giving it much thought. And not because I'm that smart, because the betting line looked weird. And I have to think it's because New York is always an over bet team because there's so many betters in New York. I mean the jets and the Giants are always going to be bet.

Chris Cody (31:06)

You know, that's not why it's happening. The jets, that was a. That was one of the strangest lines of the season. Betting lines of the season. And it's not because New York is over bet. I'll give you a stat. The two teams in the league that have lost the most since 2017, 85 times. The jets and the Giants. New York football stinks, right? And has stunk for damn near a decade. Since 2017, no one loses more than the jets and the Giants. I didn't understand what I actually asked Mina and Mike before the game. Who's out here that I'm not seeing in any of the reports that makes the Jets a two point favorite on the road. Like why would anybody. And the response was that Arizona's defense is bad. But when you look at what Aaron Rodgers is doing statistically through 10 games, it's the same as what Zach Wilson was doing statistically through ten games like that. Experiment's over. It's not just a colossal failure, it's an enduring one. That's going to end Aaron Rodgers career. I can't imagine that. Not only can I not imagine that he's going to want to play another year after this, I imagine he wants to quit right now. I imagine he'd like to not have to suffer through the last few games of what this feels like physically. For what? For who? Like Ricky Waters said when he was running across the middle and wasn't putting out his Arms to catch something. Like, what if Aaron Rodgers wanted to quit right now? Would you be surprised if he retired.

Mike Ryan (32:35)

In the middle of a season?

Chris Cody (32:36)

No. Wanted to. Not if he's going to. Wanted to. If he just wanted to not go back to work this morning, he's going.

Dan Le Batard (32:42)

To take a cabinet position. That's what's going to happen.

Mike Ryan (32:45)

Oh, I like that. Yeah.

Dan Le Batard (32:47)

No, you don't like that. You should not like that.

Stugotz (32:49)

They will be out by January, though.

Dan Le Batard (32:51)

So, I mean, they won one game and he went on McAfee and said like some wild conspiracy theory like two weeks ago. And I was like, oh, man, if they keep winning, this is going to be going to be really ugly. But thank God they've kept losing. But Lucy's right, that's what we're heading towards.

Mike Ryan (33:05)

But when I say that the jets are over bet, what I mean is there's a million jets fans who keep forgetting that Aaron Rodgers is almost 41 years old and they're wish betting, they're hope betting every week that this is the week that he finally looks like the player they thought they were getting and it ain't going to happen. But that's why I think that's why Arizona should have been favored by two or three points. There's no question about it.

Chris Cody (33:29)

That's not why. Greg, what I'm telling you is. I don't know how to tell you that that's not why. It's not because New York all of a sudden was the only one interested in that game and moved the line five points because New York. Mark. Well, I. I was asking questions before the game yesterday because I assumed that somebody was out. I was then told that the Arizona defense is bad and there were some expectation that the jets would match up in some way in a way that suggested the better saw something. I don't know if you guys noticed this. The other day before the University of Miami Georgia Tech game, that line started going down. It went from 12 early in the week and it just all week went down and down until it ended up at whatever it was, eight and a half points. The jets line kept going in favor of the Jets. It was confusing to me that the jets were favored at all in that football game or that the jets would be favored against much of anybody on the road for any reason. Like they're one of the worst teams in the league and one of the worst offenses in the league. So when they go to Arizona, and they are, the line keeps climbing. I'm assuming that, I don't know, something but it's not because New York. That's never the reason. Because New York bets a lot is not the reason on an NFL.

Mike Ryan (34:47)

I think you're wrong. And I've seen it with jets betting lines earlier this season. This is not the first time that the jets betting line has looked weird relative to the rest of the league on a weekend.

Stugotz (34:59)

I think people bet with hope that Aaron Rodgers and the jets are going to turn it around.

Chris Cody (35:02)

Right.

Mike Ryan (35:02)

Their wish betting.

Stugotz (35:03)

Exactly, exactly.

Chris Cody (35:04)

I know, but that's not New York doing that is what I'm saying.

Mike Ryan (35:07)

It's not fans.

Chris Cody (35:08)

No, it's not jets fans. It might be belief in Aaron Rodgers. It's not jets fans. There are too many bets being made for jets fans to be making any kind of dent in that number.

Greg Cody (35:18)

I just think also people aren't buying the Cardinals yet. Like, I think it's just a combination of everything. I don't dis. I think there is some truth to what my dad's saying. The jets are a popular team. They're probably bet more than other teams. But it's not going to move like it's not just in New York.

Mike Ryan (35:32)

But Kyler Murray has been pretty good this year and Marvin Harrison Jr. Has made his career. He has turned him around as a quarterback, as the quarterback that they hope McBride too.

Chris Cody (35:43)

Like it's. It's not a small thing that they have another one of these Frankenstein tight ends running around out there and he only had four catches for 71 yards yesterday. But. But when you watch their games, McBride is expected to be targeted close to 10 times heavily.

Stugotz (35:59)

He still hasn't scored a touchdown yet, though. I think he's got the most receiving yards and targets for a tight end without having a touchdown down. Yeah, McBride, he has.

Chris Cody (36:05)

He.

Stugotz (36:06)

He was missed, by the way. There was a bootleg play action pass that Kyler Murray, I think two games ago completely missed him. He was standing in the end zone like, do you see me? Do you see me? And then Kyler Murray overthrew and threw it six feet, you know, six yards past the. Past the end of the line. But when you look at that game, it was. Are people wish betting the jets saying that, oh, they're going to turn it around? Because when you look at that line, was Vegas trying to like get people to entice and bet on the Jets? We have a home dog, especially on a team going out west and a team who's not that good.

Chris Cody (36:34)

Like, that's not how betting works. Vegas. All Vegas does is try to get an equal amount of betting on both sides of a bet. That's all the line is. I will just, I will say to you that while Cody's making this argument on the Jets, I have not seen a stranger line this season than that one where I simply assume, do you know what it is for me to look at a line and see it be five or six points off and make me think, is Kyler Murray out?

Mike Ryan (36:59)

Sure, that's the first thing you look.

Chris Cody (37:00)

Because Dallas yesterday was a seven point underdog with their backup quarterback just simply because they were playing at home. And we expect all of these games to be close because almost all of them are. There aren't a lot of differences between these teams. The thing that was special about yesterday in football wasn't that it was good football, is there's a ton of close football and a ton of close football at the end because there's not a lot of differences between whatever it is you think the differences are between teams. But to have a five point line where I'm looking at something, I'm like, I don't understand why the jets are giving points on the road when they stink. And I feel while Arizona might not be good, they got my attention the very beginning of the season when they went to Buffalo and did that offensively. And I'm like, well, maybe they're better than I think they are because that offense looked against Buffalo from the very beginning of the season the way it's looked like most of the way the rest of this game since, where you can't do much with Conor, Conor's going to be able to run the ball on you because at least in part, they have Harrison and McBride and Kyler Murray's impossible to, he's impossible to corral. He's going to, he's going to be somebody that extends these plays in ways that are athletically ridiculous.

Mike Ryan (38:10)

I would also mention, and I just looked it up to confirm what I thought, Arizona does not have a terrible defense. Their defense has given up 22 points a game, which is about 14th mid pack, not terrible. And so when you have Kyler Murray working the way he's working right now, they can win game.

Chris Cody (38:25)

The people I was asking use different stats than the one you're using to measure defense, that stat that you're using and I don't, you don't use any of the advanced metrics on what a defense, defense actually is. You don't use the numbers that would tell you that. Green Bay, for example, some of the stuff Mike Ryan is arguing that their pass rush and their timely turnovers mirage, a bit of a mirage on how good they are defensively because generally speaking, turnovers aren't something that you can cause or cause in a timely fashion. They're pretty flukey.

Mike Ryan (38:55)

Right.

Chris Cody (38:55)

The people who I was asking yesterday about why this, why is this number the way it is, that the answers I was getting was about that defense being metrically challenged in the way that the empirical measurements are done. Not just, not just points per game. And 22 is not great, by the way. Like it's, it's, it's, it's pretty middling pack.

Mike Ryan (39:14)

It's mid pack. It's not bad.

Stugotz (39:15)

If you look across all of the. Of the games this past weekend, there was still a lot of like weird lines. Like the Cowboys game, you said minus seven. They end up losing by, by four scores. The Vikings. The Vikings were seven point favorites against Mac Jones and they only cut. They, they won by five. The. What was the other game?

Chris Cody (39:35)

Denver.

Stugotz (39:36)

Denver game. But the Bears and the Patriots. Bears are six point favorites against the Patriots team that isn't that good until you realize, hey, the Bears have been playing really bad teams for the first stretch of their other season. Now they're on the back half of playing some really good defenses and they can't do anything.

Greg Cody (39:50)

This Dolphins line tonight is odd. Why are the Dolphins only plus one and a half? Like they've looked really bad the last few weeks. The Rams are healthy. It just seems like an easy one for the Rams.

Mike Ryan (40:01)

I mean their offense is back since, you know, they've averaged 28 points a game since two has been back. That's pretty good.

Dan Le Batard (40:06)

Good loss last week or before.

Mike Ryan (40:08)

Yeah, I mean they've lost, they've lost two games in a row on last second field goals. You know, they, they do a break, the Dolphins. And that's an intangible nobody likes to hear.

Chris Cody (40:19)

Do a break is not the way anyone's betting. That's not. They're not a one and a half point dog because they're due a break.

Mike Ryan (40:25)

I understand. That's why I instantly said I know nobody wants to hear those intangibles because I know that.

Chris Cody (40:31)

Do a break. I don't even know what that means. In fact, I would say more than that. Do a break in football. Is there do someone physically breaks. If Kyler Murray, if TUA got hit the way Kyler Murray did on that play yesterday, the sport shuts down. Right?

Stugotz (40:46)

You bring back the guy that accused the Dolphins of murder, you have that guy on again.

Greg Cody (40:50)

If the Dolphins are due a Break. Or the Chiefs. The Chiefs are the. Whatever the opposite is. That's what the Chiefs are.

Mike Ryan (40:55)

Correct. Correct. It's a law of averages thing. Right? It's a law of averages thing. You know, the trend is your friend, but the trend must end. You know, if you have a team that's lost eight games in a row.

Stugotz (41:07)

I'm in. Whatever he said, I'm in.

Chris Cody (41:08)

He's got a poem. The apple doesn't fall far from the tree. Chris Cody also has, I hope, another poem that he can put together on the fly, based on yesterday's on the music played earlier in the show.

Greg Cody (41:20)

This one is about the University of Miami. Mario Cristobal dropped the ball, couldn't see with his crystal ball. Cam Ward ends with D and so too might Miami. That's it.

Chris Cody (41:50)

Is that a rattlesnake? What is happening back there? Is that.

Greg Cody (41:52)

What is it, slam poetry?

Stugotz (41:54)

It's a very spicy image on the music video. It's called intimacy, and it's like a fire meeting up with an ice and they're kind of together.

Dan Le Batard (42:02)

Yeah, people bang to this music.

Greg Cody (42:04)

Very spicy.

Billy Gil (42:05)

There is even less reason as to why we've been waiting for six years for Stugotts to do this at the Grid of death. I mean, Chris Cody just farted out a banger. Why hasn't Stugott's gotten around to this? It's been eight years.

Chris Cody (42:22)

Is that a rattlesnake? It sounds a bit like a rattlesnake. Can you start me over again on the music? I know, but it sounds. If I told you simply, you're walking through the desert. It's dark at night. You can't totally see everything that's happening.

Stugotz (42:35)

I'm going the other way.

Billy Gil (42:37)

I would be a little nervous. But also, why does it feel like.

Chris Cody (42:40)

I'm about to walking through the desert. Also super horny.

Dan Le Batard (42:45)

And is it really sexy out here?

Chris Cody (42:49)

It is.

Billy Gil (42:50)

I'm thirsty. I'm dying crawling through this desert.

Chris Cody (42:54)

Yes.

Stugotz (42:55)

Johnny Depp's bearing something in the ground.

Billy Gil (42:58)

I'm so out of bodily fluids, but I guess I can mus her up just a little.

Chris Cody (43:03)

I'm thirsty. I'm so thirsty, I'm dying. Is that a snake or am I aroused?

Billy Gil (43:09)

Oh, it's a snake, all right, baby.

Mike Ryan (43:17)

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