Hour 2: It's MVP, Not MVT (feat. Michelle Beadle)

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 2: It's MVP, Not MVT (feat. Michelle Beadle)
Date: March 31, 2026

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Episode Overview

This hour of The Dan Le Batard Show, live from Miami’s Elser Hotel, features Dan, Stugotz, the regular crew, and special guest Michelle Beadle. The conversation ping-pongs from irreverent sports analysis and inside jokes to thoughtful commentary on player behavior and mental health in sports, with plenty of self-aware tangents. The main topics include hockey’s code of honor after dirty hits, the NBA MVP ("most valuable player," not "most valuable team") debate, and the intersection of fandom and player myth-making, particularly around Victor Wembanyama ("Wemby"). The hour also features Beadle’s signature candor, mockery of hot takes, and a deep-dive into the evolving NBA narrative landscape.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Miami Marlins, Attendance, and Local Color

• Jeremy delivers answers to lingering questions from earlier in the show, including the Miami Marlins’ “Rally Rooster” (01:50) and Chris Paddock’s dramatic, cowboy-themed player entrance debut—which ended with "eight runs in four innings" in front of only "6,515" fans.
• Greg Cody quips about Paddock’s sartorial choices:
  [04:15] Greg Cody: "I'd like to describe the jacket that this guy wore on the way into the building as a very David Sampson-esque selection."
• The segment is filled with classic Le Batard Show ribbing, poking fun at minor league atmospheres and the local sports scene.

2. Old-School Hockey Justice: Radko Gudas' Code

• The show dives into Radko Gudas’ return from injury for the Anaheim Ducks just to “take his lumps” for an earlier dirty hit on Auston Matthews (05:04).
• Notable moment capturing the hockey code: [06:07] Dan (co-host): "Max Domi drops the gloves and heads over to Radko Gutis, who also responds in kind. However, here's the interesting part about it. Radko absorbs all the punches, doesn't throw a single punch because he's basically admitting, yeah, I did you dirty there. I'm literally going to take my lumps."
• Greg Cody is skeptical of the machismo:
  [07:27] Greg Cody: "I'm not gonna give you brownie points. I went out there and I got my ass whooped because I am a man of honor. Shut up. Shut the hell up."
• They also riff on "hard-ass" culture, referencing General Custer and John Tortorella (08:45), and debate whether hockey’s grind-it-out ethos is healthy or outdated.

3. Michelle Beadle Joins: Jaden Ivey, Mental Health, and Internet Pile-Ons

• Beadle is introduced as the host of "Run It Back" and immediately thrust into the controversy of Jaden Ivey’s "crash out" from the Bulls following controversial social media posts (09:56).
• Beadle reflects on the social media era’s permanence: [09:56] Michelle Beadle: "Look, he crashed out and I miss the days when we didn't have to crash out on the Internet. And it lives forever... As far as his actual thoughts and feelings, I put no stock in it. We live in a time of complete and total lack of rules, morals, laws."
• They debate sports media’s competency discussing player mental health: [11:36] Michelle Beadle: "I think we treat some of these words...very lightly and flippantly... There's a lot of chemistry involved that the, the civilian is probably not supposed to diagnose. And we're getting better about treating mental health with a little more sensitivity and realism."
• Discussion circles around whether this will end Ivey's NBA career: [13:18] Michelle Beadle: "Yeah, at 24 years old, was the number five pick. Like, that's a crazy quick fall. We've seen falls before, but completely self-inflicted, which is a bummer."

4. NBA MVP Debate: Luka? Jokic? SGA? Wemby?

• Dan asks Beadle for her current MVP pick (17:06).
• Greg Cody wonders if Beadle's Spurs fandom biases her takes—she embraces it but claims calm about Wemby’s future victories:
  [17:32] Michelle Beadle: "I don't feel the pressure to sort of go out and be super passionate about Wemby being the MVP because I truly feel calmly that he will have several of those when it's all said and done."
• Beadle shares her favorite "Wemby is different" moment (19:08):
  [19:08] Michelle Beadle: "Showing up in Washington Square park in the rain to play chess with strangers... That's just different, especially at that age."
• The group jokes about how fan biases warp the interpretation of player quirks.
• Self-campaigning for awards? Not a problem for Beadle: [20:28] Michelle Beadle: "When I was in high school running for treasurer, they said, if you don't vote for yourself, who will? And I love everything about it."
• Dan and Beadle discuss whether Jokic can be denied another MVP during perhaps his best statistical season despite "Jokic fatigue": [21:14] Michelle Beadle: "It's weird to say it's quiet because those numbers are gaudy and he's doing it on a consistent basis... It is crazy that statistically what he's doing...I think he is playing at his peak in a time where there are a lot of dudes that are absolutely fantastic." [22:08] Dan Le Batard: "You can't not give it to Jokic when he's your reigning mvp, several times over, is having a better season than he's ever had, and those other guys haven't closed that gap."
• They lampoon Nick Wright and J.J. Redick for calling Luka the MVP: [22:50] Michelle Beadle: "Nick, I don't know what kind of Robitussin he takes in the morning... Luca's not it. There are way better players on way better teams. Sorry."
• Title of the episode explained:
  [23:09] Dan (co-host): "When we talk about the mvp, Michelle, it's not the mvt. We talk about the teams, but this is like a person. The most valuable player, not the most valuable team."
  [23:20] Michelle Beadle: "That's why I think the best argument is what happens if you take Jokic off Denver..."
• On how rare and wide-open the MVP race feels now, with multiple genuine candidates.

5. Over/Under Wemby: Will He Outdo Tim Duncan?

• Dan playfully puts Beadle on the spot: Will Victor Wembanyama win more championships than Tim Duncan (who has five)? (24:44)
• Beadle pauses, then admits:
  [24:44] Michelle Beadle: "That's tough. I mean, we are currently in a race for sace, but that's getting. That first one's gonna be tough. You know what I'm gonna say under that hurts."
• Some friendly Spurs-relief banter follows.

6. Greg Cody’s TV Conspiracy and Rooster Riffing

• Greg claims Bill Lawrence based Steve Carell’s new TV character "Greg" in "Rooster" on him (29:38), citing generational Gregs and joking about copyright infringement.
• The crew mercilessly teases, and Roy wonders if the Florida Panthers references on the show are also nods to Le Batard Show lore.
• Dan and the crew lampoon the idea, and Greg self-amuses until he coughs [32:13].

7. NBA Tangents: Hawks, Coaches, and Prank Shows

• Discussion unexpectedly jumps to the Atlanta Hawks’ recent turnaround post-Trae Young, depth on defense, and coach Quinn Snyder's playoff rep (38:08).
• A running gag ensues about declaring, "Say he's a good coach. Say it!" with everyone eventually mumbling that Snyder is, in fact, pretty good.
• Greg attempts to trace the history of prank shows back to "Candid Camera" [37:00].
• Off-the-wall digressions about Anthony Davis hosting a prank show; Impractical Jokers crossovers; and whether Mike Trout will get a singing competition (34:16, 38:00).
• Classic Le Batard Show: seamless blend of sports, pop culture, meta-commentary, and goofing around with fan theory.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On the cruelty of the modern sports/media pile-on:
  “I think we also have this sort of morbid desire and hunger to like, oh, let's watch another person crash out on the Internet. Like it's. We may not want to say that, but it's there. We watch it.”
  —Michelle Beadle [12:53]

• On fandom and Wemby’s charm:
  “Wemby makes me feel very calm. Like I don't feel like I need to be enraged and maybe that's also age. But he'll be fine. He's going to win all of the awards multiple times. And to say that with such certainty Is it's a lovely place to live. I wish all sports fans could be a spurgeon.”
  —Michelle Beadle [17:32]

• Dan, on MVP arguments:
  “You can't not give it to Jokic when he's your reigning mvp, several times over, is having a better season than he's ever had.” [22:08]

• Beadle, mockingly on MVP discourse:
  “Nick, I don't know what kind of Robitussin he takes in the morning before he goes to. I don't know what his schedule is. But no, Luca's not it.” [22:50]

• On over-read self-references in media:
  “I'm believing that Bill Lawrence, in naming the Steve Carell character, thought of me as A Greg he peripherally knows through this show... I think the Steve Carell character may have been patterned after me, because the Steve Carell character, it was like looking in the mirror watching those episodes.” —Greg Cody [30:00]

• On Quinn Snyder’s reputation:
  "Say he's a good coach. Say it." —Multiple voices [40:11-41:06]

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Important Timestamps

| Timestamp | Segment Description | |-----------|------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:50 | Jeremy wraps up lingering show questions, local Miami/Marlins color | | 05:03 | NHL code on fighting, Radko Gudas incident discussion | | 09:56 | Michelle Beadle joins; Jaden Ivey situation and media responsibility | | 11:36 | Beadle on mental health in male athlete communities | | 13:18 | Should (or will) Ivey's behavior be a career ender? | | 17:06 | NBA MVP debate begins | | 19:08 | Michelle Beadle on falling in love with Wemby ("Washington Sq. chess") | | 20:28 | Wemby self-campaigning for MVP and Beadle’s pro-campaign stance | | 21:14 | Jokic’s overlooked MVP candidacy; statistical dominance | | 22:50 | Beadle lampoons Nick Wright and Luka MVP takes | | 23:09 | “It’s MVP, not MVT” title segment/clarification | | 24:44 | Over-under: Wemby vs. Tim Duncan championships | | 29:38 | Greg Cody on Bill Lawrence, "Rooster," and generational Gregs | | 38:08 | Atlanta Hawks' post-Trae Young transformation; Quinn Snyder’s rep | | 40:11 | Running joke - "Say he's a good coach" - on Quinn Snyder |

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Energy & Tone

• Playful: Nonstop razzing (especially of Greg Cody), self-aware sports nerd humor, and a willingness to lean into tangents and faux conspiracies.
• Candid/Thoughtful: Especially during Beadle’s segments, the tone deepens for honest talk about mental health and the psyche of professional athletes.
• Nerdy: Deep-dive stats about NBA and NHL; bantering about MVP race minutiae.
• Absurd: Wild fan/host theories about TV shows, self-referential "copyright infringement," and playful segment transitions.

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Conclusion

This episode masterfully blends sharp sports critique, empathetic social commentary, and comedic chaos. Beadle’s presence sharpens the show’s NBA analysis, especially around the MVP race, Wemby’s fan phenomenon, and the dangers of quick media pile-ons. The rest is classic Le Batard: informed and irreverent, with inside jokes, spurious TV theories, and the unmistakable energy of friends both riffing and reflecting on the wild world of sports and beyond.

Transcript

[Greg Cody]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Michelle Beadle]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Michelle Beadle]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Michelle Beadle]

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[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

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[Michelle Beadle]

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[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats Podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

Michelle Beadle will be here shortly. We've wandered around a lot today. Jeremy, can you do some cleaning up for me on some of the answered questions that we have not yet answered on some of the wandering we've done today?

[Jeremy]

Yeah, you got it. So with the Spanish radio broadcast for the Marlins, we have found out that the Rooster began as a sounder last year as indeed a rally rooster. So this is year two of that Olaf from Frozen worth mentioning, voiced by Josh Gad, who is a South Florida guy. Chris Paddock, who you said made his debut for the Marlins this year. He was the prospect, the primary prospect traded for Fernando Rodney after being drafted by the Marlins. We all remember that trade. Take Me out to the Ball game came out 20 years after Casey at the bat. The origin of Hard Ass. While it's colloquially tied to the early 1960s in American language, Old Hard Ass was the nickname for General George Custer of the Civil War. And so that's sort of the first known use. Udders are an organ normally with two to four mammary glands. And there can be a pair. So you could have anywhere from two to four to eight. And agate, the word that was used by Greg, just in case anyone was concerned, is a stone.

[Mike]

Not in journalism, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

He was not using agate as a stone. Agate is small type in newspaper.

[Mike]

Like microscopically small.

[Jeremy]

So even microscopically smaller of a reference.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is correct. So Chris Paddock, you mentioned him. I'd like to mention that entrance again to you guys just because we don't see a lot of cowboys in South Florida, but I not only want to point out to you that upon this entrance, theatrical and dramatic, getting out of a suv, cowboy boots first, cowboy boots on the pavement. Gets his jacket out of his car, struts in with the. You know, they. They put. Not in. Agate. They put in the type that the Marlins sent out. There's a new sheriff in town. And he gave up eight runs in four innings. But the part that I had not mentioned is he's coming into this game at this hour. That game had an attendance of 6,515,

[Jeremy]

and they were entertained by me for the entire nine innings. Boy, we had a great time together.

[Dan Le Batard]

You could have just let that number sit there for just a second before you.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Nope, I had to.

[Jeremy]

I had to.

[Dan Le Batard]

You didn't have to speak that quickly after the number. The number could have just sat there before you told us about your triumphant entertainment stylings, Dan.

[Greg Cody]

I'd like to describe the jacket that this guy wore on the way into the building as a very David Sampson esque selection.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's true. And you can't do all of that and be performing in front of 6,000 people and give up eight runs in four innings.

[Greg Cody]

Well, David Sampson did for a few years, right? Like, he wore jackets like that while entertaining 6,000 people.

[Dan Le Batard]

I guess so, yeah. I don't know that he declared himself a new sheriff in town or the organization had declared him a new sheriff in town.

[Greg Cody]

He did wear that cowboy hat that one time.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's why he was flirting. That's when he was flirting with San Antonio. We'll get to Michelle Beadle in a second, but it was nice to see Radko Gudis in the news. I hadn't thought of him in a while. I love when the Panthers have or had, in this case, somebody who is a notorious thug.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Enforcer.

[Mike]

Enforcer.

[Dan Le Batard]

Goon.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Goon. Oh, no, no, no, Captain. He's a Gooner Dan where in the NBA there's all sorts of discourse about guys taking time off to make sure they don't get too fatigued in the NHL. Radco Guta shed a walking boot to catch an ass kicking. That's because several weeks ago he had a dirty hit. I think even he would admit through his actions. I think he admitted it. He had a dirty hit on Auston Matthews that ended up costing Auston Matthews the rest of his season. Tore up that mcl and everyone's eyes then went to the calendar to see the next time these two teams would match up again. Gudas served a five game suspension, which in hockey circles people criticize as being a little light because of the nature of this hit. Radko, as I mentioned, was in a walking boot, but he was not avoiding what was coming to him. He damn well knew what was coming to him and he was proven right the second the puck dropped in Anaheim. Max Domi lowers his gloves Son of the famous son of the famous enforcer Tai Domi.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, it wasn't Tai Domi that beat him.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

It was Max Domi. Max Domi drops the gloves and heads over to Radko Gutis, who also responds in kind. However, here's the interesting part about it. Radko absorbs all the punches, doesn't throw a single punch because he's basically admitting, yeah, I did you dirty there. I'm literally going to take my lumps. I think Radko had seven minutes of ice time and nine penalty minutes last night. Everybody was gunning for him. The Leafs end up winning in overtime, but Radko credit to him, he took his ass kicking literally.

[Dan Le Batard]

They not only won in overtime, weren't they down? Did they score three or four goals in the third period in order to win that game? Did he motivate them to victory by taking his ass kicking?

[Greg Cody]

I don't, I don't get it. So he did the. The ball off went off me coach like is that what he did?

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

He basically did, but with his face and he didn't fight back. The Leaves were the one that were the team that ended up winning that game in overtime. But credit to the captain of the Anaheim Ducks playing for old school hard ass Coach Q. He came back, he was hurt. He was not healthy enough to play in that game, probably wouldn't have played, but he didn't want the optics of avoiding the Maple Leafs. He didn't want the optics of him avoiding an ass kicking. And like I said, he didn't throw a Single punch if you watch a fight. Radko's a decent fighter. He could land a few on Max Domi. He decided against it.

[Greg Cody]

I don't get this at all. I don't get this at all. My dear brother Noomsi, I've wronged you. I should be purged. That's what he did. Look, either you come back from injury to fight back or. Yeah, we'll just wait till you're healthy. But I'm not gonna give you brownie points. I went out there and I got my ass whooped because I am a man of honor. Shut up. Shut the hell up.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Keep in mind this is mere hours. The Toronto Maple Leaf leaves fired a GM hours before the game. That's an important note. It is an important note because like they're basically. This is to show the new gm, hey, yeah, I need to be on this. This was this, this Toronto's season somehow more of a disaster than Florida's because they were supposed to have this whole culture change. They blamed all their issues on Mitch Marner. They get Marner out and they just totally tank it. They have one of these other hard ass coaches come in who was going to change the culture and they fel on their face. This was the only game they had to play for. They were playing for their captain, Austin Matthews. And they, they did take vengeance upon the those that wronged Austin Matthews. But still a whack ass season.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm gonna, I'm going to again point out what Jeremy did at the start of this segment. That those of you longing for a hard ass coach, for the Vegas Knights to have Tortorella or any other hard

[Greg Cody]

ass, it ain't the United States of Tortorella.

[Dan Le Batard]

You are referencing a general from the Civil War. And whatever his behavior was during the Civil War that made other people look at him and say that general is unreasonable in wartime.

[Jeremy]

But he won it and he was on the good side.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Dan Custer's last stand. Read a book.

[Greg Cody]

What ended up happening to Custer.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

He invented a dessert.

[Greg Cody]

I love Custer.

[Dan Le Batard]

Michelle Beadle is with us now and she's the host of the NBA show Run it back with Chandler Parsons and Lou Williams. She brings out the best in those two. As former players and broadcasters, we will start with her with the lightest of subject matter. The Jaden Ivy Bulls story. Yes, let's bring you in. Let's just welcome you in and throw you some of the good stuff right off of the top. You woke messenger for the woke mo. Thoughts are what? On the idea that the Bulls ran Jaden Ivy out of town for, you know, saying that basically a group of people are guilty of unrighteousness and. Welcome, Michelle. Nice to see you.

[Michelle Beadle]

Well, I'm glad you brought the atheist on for the unrighteous conversation. I definitely feel like this is my domain. Look, he crashed out and I missed the days when we didn't have to crash out on the Internet. And it lives forever. I don't, I don't know what's going on in that young man's mind. It was tough to watch. I didn't, I only watched about four or five minutes of it. I did realize there were a couple hours at least worth of this and then into yesterday and Steph Curry's name gets invoked and you get a little LeBron love in there. It kind of makes you wonder, though, if there's a little more to it. I also feel like if this kid is having some sort of a, of a mental break, that's also tough, that he just got cut as well. And so you're kind of like, I don't think this is going to get better before anything, I think it's going to get worse. So, yeah, I hate it. As far as his actual thoughts and feelings, I put no stock in it. We live in a time of complete and total lack of rules, morals, laws. If you're worried about what people do in their bedroom, my goodness, do I have a list of people you should go after before that. So here we are. The crash outs continue, ladies and gentlemen.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, when you say what's going on in that young man's mind, are we equipped as a sports media to correctly diagnose mania, bipolar, mental illness, any of it, any of it, when it makes. Because it seems dangerous, unfair for us to be doctors and diagnose this stuff. But it also seems ignorant to see a number of different things happen in the media where people aren't talking about treatment for mental illness.

[Michelle Beadle]

I know, I agree with you 100%. I think we treat some of these words, bipolar, she's crazy. We say these things very lightly and flippantly in normal, normal conversation with our friends, when we're talking about people, what have you. And I think especially in the male community, in the male athlete community, this, that's why it's a big deal when like a DeMar DeRozan sort of takes this as his cause, mental health. Because I think a lot of young boys who grow up to be men are not taught to address this. They're, they're told to repress it, to push it down it's no big deal. You know, I, look, I love my dad to death, but even he, when I'm dealing with like depression and anxiety, I think for the longest time growing up, it was like mind over matter. It really isn't, unfortunately. I think there's a lot of chemistry involved that the, the civilian is probably not supposed to diagnose. And we're getting better about treating mental health with a little more sensitivity and realism. But yeah, in this particular case, I think we all can clearly see there's something going on here. None of us are really equipped to say exactly what it is. The only one that would be able to do that is if, if Jaden Ivey himself were to go talk to someone and sort of work through whatever it is that's happening. Unfortunately, I don't, I don't know what his current situation is. I don't know who his close friends and family are or, or what they're saying to him or doing. So yeah, it's a bummer. And I think we also have this sort of morbid desire and hunger to like, oh, let's watch another person crash out on the Internet. Like it's. We may not want to say that, but it's there. We watch it. And so, yeah, he's in a bad place. I, I hope he's got good folks around him that'll sort of drag him if they have to to get a little help.

[Mike]

Michelle, do you think this should be or will be a career ender?

[Dan Le Batard]

Amin says he's done playing in the United States.

[Michelle Beadle]

I 100% agree. It's so funny you should say, by the way, Amin's on here. I never get to be on here when Amin Elhassan's around. Wow, my friend, stop lying. I know. I hate you. I actually hate him. But that being said, no, Lou, both Lou Williams and Boogie this morning said the same thing. They're like. Because Chandler's like, is he done? And they didn't even hesitate. They're like, he's done. So, yeah, at 24 years old was the number five pick. Like, that's a crazy quick fall. We've seen falls before, but completely self inflicted, which is a bummer.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

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[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Mike]

Don LeBatard this guy comes in as the next Wayne Gretzky. His nicknames include the chosen1 and McJesus. Okay, he's a great player. He scores a lot of goals. He scores a ton of assists. But it hasn't translated to making Edmonton a powerhouse in the league.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

They're in the final st. What's your nickname for him?

[Mike]

Look overrated.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I suspect I know what Michelle's answer to this is, but I was mentioning earlier that JJ Redick says Luke is the mvp. If you had to vote right now, who would you vote for?

[Greg Cody]

I mean, Shay Gildius Alexander?

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you going to be biased here? Are you going to separate your emotion from this?

[Greg Cody]

Did you ask Michelle, Denise, Beetle if she's going to be. But you see her background. Is there anything behind you there in that bookcase that is not spurs related?

[Michelle Beadle]

What do you mean? It's just a candle for luck. Things that I like to keep behind me for good vibes. You know, I'll say this. I don't feel the pressure to sort of go out and be super passionate about Wemby being the MVP because I truly feel calmly that he will have several of those when it's all said and done. I'm okay with SGA getting it. Like, if you really wanted to break down the numbers, I know there's a bunch of nerdy stats where you can, you can support Wemby to win it. As far as what happens when he's there, what happens he's not. The the best part about this, honestly, is that we're getting a hell of a run with six, seven games left, where you get one dude dropping 47, the other guy drops 41. And, and one's campaigning for himself and the other one's very diplomatic and sweet and Canadian and he's just like, well, there's lots of good players. They're both gunning for it and both teams are excellent. I feel calm. Wemby makes me feel very calm. Like I don't feel like I need to be enraged and maybe that's also age. But he'll be fine. He's going to win all of the awards multiple times. And to say that with such certainty Is it's a lovely place to live. I wish all sports fans could be a spurgeon.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you. Can you give me though? You know how we get hardened by some of the things in sports, but there are certain people who sometimes remind us of all the things that we loved about sports in childhood. Is there any one thing where Wemby has most made you fall in love with him? Whether he's just speaking to the public, whether he's crying, you know, during a regular season game, whatever the things are that build the mythology and the fandom and the connection that is for you the most Wemby of lovable things.

[Michelle Beadle]

Oh, man. I mean, he is a different dude. I think we all can see that. I think showing up in Washington Square park in the rain to play chess with strangers in Manhattan was like the visual of that for me. I mean, I was in the city that day. It was a. It was a crappy weather day. And I thought for sure, nah, this isn't gonna happen. And he did it. He went and he played. That's just different. Especially at that age. Like what, you know, at the time was he 21? Who does that? Michelle does that at all.

[Greg Cody]

If it was anyone else, you would have called them a fraud like that. That's like. That's the kind of thing.

[Michelle Beadle]

Why? Because they love chess.

[Greg Cody]

Yes. Yes. If it was any. If Shay Gilded Alexander did that, you'd be like, oh, this, this guy, he's so corny.

[Michelle Beadle]

Can't stand him. I look, but is that not part of fandom? I mean, there are people that Draymond Green is their favorite player. Well, the rest of us don't feel that way. That's just how you love yours. Like that. He's on my team. He is my team. He's going to be for hopefully his entire career. Are there things that. Let's put it this way, are there things Victor Wembanyama could do in his life that I would would say? Of course. He could kick a dog. He could. There are all kinds of things, but he hasn't done that. He's perfect so far. What do you want from me?

[Greg Cody]

What about self campaigning for mvp?

[Michelle Beadle]

Love it. You know what? When I was in high school running for treasurer, they said, if you don't vote for yourself, who will? And I love everything about it. He has to. He's different. He's just different. And I'll say this, is that not better than the alternative where you act like you're too cool for school and awards don't make course awards mean something who doesn't want to be the best at something or win everything. I love that he's very in tune with who he is and not ashamed to sort of put on airs. Like, we should embrace this, America, embrace this.

[Dan Le Batard]

For all of the arguments about the mvp, how in good conscience can Jokic be having the best season he's ever had when he was already the MVP several times over? And we're just going to skip right past that and give it to anybody else?

[Michelle Beadle]

Well, that's my second favorite player in the league for all the same reasons. He is who he is. Yeah. It is crazy that statistically what he's doing, it's weird to say it's quiet because those numbers are gaudy and he's doing it on a consistent basis. I think he is playing at his peak in a time where there are a lot of dudes that are absolutely fantastic. And I think what it'll boil down to, really, in his case, is going to be the team itself. I think they're just not. Not as good as OKC and not quite as good as San Antonio. And when it's all said and done, these are all players that I think will look back on when their careers are over and say, oh, yeah, he easily could have won a few more MVPs. Like the same thing we do with LeBron. Honestly, like, if you think about it, depending on who's voting and how they're voting, you could make that argument as well. It's just the only one. Only one guy can win. Although, wouldn't it be crazy, and I've heard this a couple times now, what if we got a tie? Can we even have a tie in

[Dan Le Batard]

mvp like the Oscars? There was a tie in one of the categories. They should get a. You can't. You can't not give it to Jokic when he's your reigning mvp, several times over, is having a better season than he's ever had, and those other guys haven't closed that gap. Like, it's not. You already gave it to him the last two or three seasons. It's not like Luca and Shay Gilgis Alexander are that much better than they were before.

[Mike]

Jokic fatigue, saying, Luca.

[Michelle Beadle]

There's no Luca. J.J. reddick, he's okay. Well, there you go. That's. That's like my dad saying I'm the greatest. Like, that doesn't matter. And like, no, Luca's not in this. Luca's never going to be Nick.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nick Wright also. Nick Wright is also saying, Nick Wright

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

says that he's the mvp, flat out. That's what Nick said.

[Michelle Beadle]

Well, Nick, I don't know what kind of Robitussin he takes in the morning before he goes to. I don't know what his schedule is. But no, Luca's not it. There are way better players on way better teams. Sorry. And see, I said Robitussin, so it's not slander. I don't know anything.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

When we talk about the mvp, Michelle, it's not the mvt.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

We talk about the teams, but this is like a person. The most valuable player, not the most valuable team. Yeah. SGA's got an incredible, incredible team. Wemby and the spurs are great. If you take Jokic off Denver, what are they.

[Michelle Beadle]

Yeah. So that to me is. I think the best argument is because I think we do get a little bit a. I think we get brainwashed into. All right, it's Jokic and sga. I just. I have to pick between those two. That's it then. Sort of. Wemby's inserted himself in the conversation. Luca kind of always has hovered, but when it all came down to it, it was always sort of two guys left in the race. This is the first time that in a long time where I feel like there are arguments to be made for multiple people. But you're right, like if you do some of the stats for some of these guys, like, SGA is not there. That team still won. We took Wembley off the Spurs. They still won. So it is an interesting conversation. And if you were to take it at face value what the words are. I do believe in that argument that Jokic has to be. But it's. That has. That's quieted. I haven't heard anyone say Jokic MVP in a minute, which is insane to me.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Than me for 25 months.

[Michelle Beadle]

God, I love that. See, that is commitment.

[Greg Cody]

Michelle, did you win the treasury race?

[Michelle Beadle]

The what?

[Greg Cody]

The treasure race. Did you win it? You said you ran for Treasure.

[Michelle Beadle]

I don't think I did.

[Greg Cody]

You don't think you did?

[Mike]

You're not sure?

[Michelle Beadle]

Well, I think about how I've been with money since, and I'm gonna say, no, I did not win the treasure.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jokic is 81. 80 to 1 to win the MVP, which seems crazy, but go ahead and give me an over under on this statement. Yes. Or I'm sorry, over under Wemby to win more championships than Tim Duncan.

[Michelle Beadle]

Oh, snap. That's tough. I mean, we are currently in a race for sace, but that's getting. That first one's gonna be tough. You know what I'm gonna say under that hurts.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, finally Tim Duncan.

[Greg Cody]

I broker Tim Duncan special.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tim Duncan got five and I broke her. Finally, something that doesn't pass for just over the moon positive about Wemby.

[Greg Cody]

You messed up. You should have said over. Under LeBron James. Oh, now you put it in a way that she's not conflicted anymore.

[Michelle Beadle]

Different numbers.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you, Amin, for producing Michelle better than I did.

[Michelle Beadle]

He does know me well, and I don't like it. It's very.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the accusation you were trying to file at Nick Wright by accusing him of taking cough medicine in the morning? In the morning.

[Michelle Beadle]

Well, those are the rantings of what can only be described as sort swayed thought processes. And usually that's from outside sources.

[Dan Le Batard]

So Robitas. So you're accusing him of just.

[Michelle Beadle]

What did you just do?

[Dan Le Batard]

You just. Just swigging. Swigging Robituss in a way that impairs his judgment. Okay.

[Michelle Beadle]

Yeah. Starting the day that way. I. I know you, Nick. I know what you're up to. You say crazy things out loud for an effect, and I get it. It works. It's got a great show. It's working.

[Dan Le Batard]

Purple Drank? Is that what she's accusing him of? Robitussin? What? What? What, the robot cough syrup?

[Mike]

Funny word.

[Michelle Beadle]

Yeah. Robitussin is just fun to say. It sounds like robust beer. And then you get to go down that road. So that's fun.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll at Lebiton show. Is it more fun to say Robitussin than it is any other medicine? Thank you, Michelle. Nice seeing you. She's the host of the NBA show Run it back with Chandler Parsons and Lou Williams. And she does bring out the best in them. Thank you, Michelle.

[Michelle Beadle]

Thanks, guys.

[Dan Le Batard]

I did not even get to with her. Anthony Edwards missing the tip yesterday after returning to work because he just had to go to the bathroom. And the timing was a little bit unfortunate. So his big return last night as they beat The Mavericks by 30 points was delayed slightly because at the moment of tip, he was still in the bathroom.

[Mike]

Wow. Sitting down or standing up?

[Dan Le Batard]

I've got to assume it's sitting down. Greg. I've got to assume it's gonna take a minute. No. Wouldn't you assume that.

[Mike]

I don't assume anything.

[Greg Cody]

Roger Bell. That happened in one time in Phoenix. He's supposed to start and then he went back to go to the bathroom and gotta put someone else in there. LB started instead.

[Jeremy]

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[Michelle Beadle]

K Pop Demon Hunters Saja Boy's Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

[Greg Cody]

It is an honor to share.

[Michelle Beadle]

No, it's our honor.

[Greg Cody]

It is our larger honor.

[Mike]

No, really, stop.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

You can really, really feel the respect in this battle.

[Michelle Beadle]

Pick a meal to pick a side

[Dan Le Batard]

and participate in McDonald's while supplies last.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Don LeBatard Greg, how's your birthday going so far?

[Mike]

I invented it. It's going fantastic. My wife and I are staying home tonight. We're watching the the debate on tv. We're going to do something special for baby. It's a. It's a nice day for me so far.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Stugats.

[Michelle Beadle]

That sounds like a. Not a super nice night. The debate.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Old people love that shit.

[Michelle Beadle]

Yeah,

[Mike]

that's exactly right. Yeah, that's exactly right. Old people do love that. And I'm old now. I can't deny it anymore.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now this is the Dan Levatar show

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

with the St.

[Dan Le Batard]

Cody. Can you explain to me how after we have talked about the rooster, the rally rooster of the Spanish broadcast of the Miami Marlins, why it is that you believe that Bill Lawrence, who created the Steve Carell HBO Max show Rooster. Why are you claiming that Bill Lawrence named that after you?

[Mike]

Yeah, my wife and I watched Rooster for the first time a couple of nights ago. We watched the first two episodes of the inaugural season and. And I didn't know a whole lot about it. And I was surprised that the Steve Carell character is named Greg. And it struck me that we don't. Nobody knows a lot of Greg's. Okay. Greg's one of those names from a generation ago. I am betting. I am believing that Bill Lawrence, in naming the Steve Carell character, thought of me as A Greg he peripherally knows through this show. And so I'll go a step further. I think the Steve Carell character may have been patterned after me, because the Steve Carell character, it was like looking in the mirror watching those episodes. You know, the Steve Carell character is a couple of things that I have been called in my life in terms of personality and demeanor and coincidence. Coinky dink. I don't know about that.

[Dan Le Batard]

What things are you talking about?

[Greg Cody]

There was that one scene where he said, you never know.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

He's the kind of guy that.

[Mike]

He is the kind of guy that. And also, at one point, he's going very good. Which I thought was a mind blower. I'm just saying, I think Bill Lawrence was influenced by me in the making of that series, in the writing of that series, in the casting of Steve Carell, in naming Steve Carell. Gregg. Am I right? Am I positive I'm right? No, but that's my strong point.

[Dan Le Batard]

Juju. Put it on the poll, please. At LeBatard show. Is Greg one of those names from a generation ago?

[Greg Cody]

Greg, I'll back you up on this. I think we got a case for copyright infringement. This guy just basically ripped off your life in your name. No permission, no heads up, no nod, like, hey, special thanks, too, at the end of the episode.

[Mike]

Yeah, that's true. You know what? I didn't. I didn't scrutinize the credits. Does he not credit me?

[Greg Cody]

He didn't.

[Mike]

I look okay. Okay, well, I'll. I'll have an eagle eye out for that.

[Greg Cody]

He's Roy's friend, by the way. Roy, what's up with your boy, man?

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Well, in episode, I believe it was episode three, Steve Carell's character was in Florida. He was wearing a. He's a hockey fan. He was wearing a Florida Panthers T shirt. There you go. Watching the Boston Bruins. So maybe he's patterned this show after several people on the show.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, like Dan. Right. Because he's the one who banged the drum. Greg would never do that, wear a Florida Panther shirt. Dan's the fan here.

[Mike]

Yeah, I'm an independent journalist, but, you know, the evidence grows. You know, gotta get B Law on the phone and, you know, get to the bottom of this as far as I'm concerned.

[Dan Le Batard]

One of my favorite things is when you laugh at yourself until you start coughing, that you're just amused by yourself and you start laughing, and then I can feel the coughs creeping up and you become.

[Mike]

You know, I spontaneously invented the nickname B Law, which ought to be adapted and adopted and encouraged because he looks like a guy who would have a nickname like B. I mean, what are

[Dan Le Batard]

your thoughts here on the Atlanta hawks winning by 20 at home last night against the Boston Celtics? It ran out of gas. I think we're all agreeing that the absurdity of what it is that he was saying. I stayed with it.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

I was gonna let him cook a little bit more.

[Dan Le Batard]

Starts meringue, and then he's like, be law. I'm gonna make that. You didn't seize on that. I'm gonna go ahead and so I just wanted to aggressively and pull it over to the atlant Hawks. Did Jaylen Brown play last night?

[Greg Cody]

He did.

[Dan Le Batard]

So the Celtics look like that when Tatum and Brown play together and they score 80. They've had a couple of these games where they score 80 points.

[Greg Cody]

The.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Hawks are, to me, the more interesting dilemma at the moment. The way that they've been playing since getting rid of Porzingis.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, no, no. Tatum last night, he did not play. Obviously, Bosevich still out as well. So they were down two starters. The Hawks, I wouldn't say since they got rid of Porzingis, because Porzingis barely played for them. I said, there's another guy they got rid of around the trade deadline. That kind of things have changed since he's been gone. Yeah, it's been a little chilly out there. By the way, speaking of ice train, the Washington Wizards, did you guys notice Anthony Davis on the bench for the Wizards the other night against. Last night against the Lakers?

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

So was it like a Super bowl party where he approached Sal from Impractical Jokers and was like, we have got to find a way to work together, dude.

[Greg Cody]

I saw the promo, and it's like, and LeBron James is here, and so is Draymond Green. And I'm like, what is this show? Is it Impractical Jokers without the practical jokers?

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

I gotta have the third eye open. This had to be, like, somehow attached to the Luca trade. I don't know how. I'm still working on it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I told you guys. I told you guys. I saw this on HBO Max, and you helped me with how it is that things are changing. Okay? I mentioned to you guys when Anthony Davis had a prank show, I saw only one episode, and it existed on HBO Max. It is now moved over to TNT or what? However it is that things on this front are changing. And I was confused because I thought that was an HBO Max show, and now it is a series and a season. Anthony Davis is hosting a prank show.

[Greg Cody]

It was always on tbs. Dan. But because tbs, TNT and HBO are all owned by the same umbrella organization in Warner Brothers Media, which may or may not belong to Paramount now or Netflix. I don't know anymore. The whole timeline is, forget about antitrust. Let's just have the same three companies own everything. But as a result, Dan, yes, you might have caught it on HBO Max because HBO Max is the official streaming platform for all the WarnerMedia properties.

[Dan Le Batard]

So how many of these shows have there been and who has he pranked? Cuz Anthony Davis was a really strange choice and I simply assume that that came to be because of all of the clutch management stuff. I thought it was before he traded to Dallas or Washington.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

You don't think Anthony Davis when you think of pranksters.

[Greg Cody]

Mike, would you say he said, oh, in fact, the Joker is a show that's built upon like people don't recognize these guys, so they're able to do these pranks in public.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Maybe he'll wear glasses and be totally inconspicuous.

[Greg Cody]

Maybe he'll put, maybe he'll put shoes on his knees like Gary Oldman and Tiptoes and just kind of like, hey, I'm a regular sized person. Guys know about that.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Tiptoes do know about that. Tiptoes. I'm sorry you were getting to a point with Anthony Davis on the bench, but I just, I'm so fascinated by him having a prank show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, you should be fascinated by that. But I want you as we do, no shortage of meandering around here. I simply want to remind all of you where we were a few minutes ago when B. Law and Greg Cody being done with having anything of substance on his contrivance that he thinks Rooster is named after him led me to the panicked transition of asking Amin about the Hawks. And now I'm on an Anthony Davis prank show and I got nothing in the way of analysis on the Hawks. Who I would think everyone in the east is coming.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

That's coming. But we have to talk about Anthony Davis and Sal wanting to build together. We have two huge brands, impractical jokers. Anthony Davis. How do we bring these worlds together?

[Greg Cody]

Let's build.

[Mike]

I can tell you the history of the prank show. It began as a black and white TV show called Candid Camera, hosted by Alan Funt.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, I love it.

[Mike]

Yeah, that font that began the prank show, you could look it up.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

We could.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm going to going to just leave it there as a turd to steam by itself in the summer heat. Now. Just going to leave the Allen Front right there. Greg Cody wanders in. Well off, fresh off his B Law triumph, accusing Bill Lawrence of.

[Mike]

I'm crediting him. I'm not accusing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Accusing Bill Lawrence of not being able to come up with creative ideas and just that needing character motivation and so of course making Steve Carel into a

[Mike]

Greg Cody character named Greg.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. Which is a name from a generation ago. What a. What a coincidence.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Are they going to give Mike Trout a singing competition?

[Jeremy]

Candid camera debuted 70 years after Casey at the back.

[Mike]

There you go.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Hawks. I mean the Hawks. You're saying this is not Kaminga. This is not addition by. This is nothing but addition by subtraction. They got rid of Trae Young's 40 foot jumpers and him being the worst defender in the league and all of a sudden now nobody can beat them.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I mean it's. It's a combination of things. It's Trae Young's defense, it's. The offense runs a lot more egalitarian, which happened a lot earlier during the season when Trae Young was. Was unhealthy earlier. Then with that they started running through things through Jalen Johnson and he's been the revelation, obviously is an all star for the first time this year. Nikhil Alexander Walker has been a huge, huge addition as a vet, as a guy who's a great defensive player and coming into his own as a scorer as well. And then you trade Trey young, you get CJ McCollum back. He's everyone's favorite vet in the locker room. He's a very accomplished scorer as well.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Dyson Daniel, one of the best wing defenders in the NBA.

[Jeremy]

Also, did you hit Cabe Vincent as

[Dan Le Batard]

your backup point guys? He's playing their wings in general, but they. When you talk about these Pacer type of teams getting to the finals or the. The length, the. I mean the Knicks fans love on a nobe. They love him. It feels like second only to Brunson because of the doing of the dirty things that defenders can do. I don't know if you guys saw last year. I don't think of Davion Mitchell this way, but he bothered Maxi and no one bothers Maxi like he is a perimeter defender who is wildly athlet. This is what the Hawks are doing. Right. The Hawks have all of these guys who just have an incredible wingspan and incredible athleticism.

[Greg Cody]

Right. So they have an incredible amount of options on the defensive end in terms of guys who are not only long but also tall. So they can switch against fours and even maybe some fives as well, second of all, they're a great three point shooting team. And third, I know you didn't. You wanted to fight back on this the other day for some reason. Quinn Snyder. Pretty good coach, man.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Say he's a good coach. Say it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just say it.

[Mike]

Say he's a good coach.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Say he's a good coach.

[Mike]

Say it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Quinn Snyder. I think of losing early in the playoffs every single year.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Oh, come on. That's not saying he's a good coach. Saying he's a good coach. He's a good coach. 500 career wins.

[Mike]

Admit it.

[Dan Le Batard]

When I think of playoff experience, I don't think of Quinn Snyder. Don't let go of the rope.

[Greg Cody]

Quiz. Not it's a good coach.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

He's a good coach. He's a damn good coach.

[Mike]

Damn good coach. One of the best queens ever.

[Dan Le Batard]

Transition.

[Greg Cody]

So is McGillicuddy fired?

[Dan Le Batard]

He is one of the better Quins ever. I think I. I do think I can agree with that. As far as Quins go.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

Say he's a good queen.

[Dan Le Batard]

Snyder's one of them.

[Mike]

He's the best.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

He's a good queen.

[Mike]

Say it.

[Greg Cody]

He's a good Quinn.

[Mike]

Not that many.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

One of the better Quinns.

[Greg Cody]

Say it.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

He's a good Quinn.

[Greg Cody]

Good Quinn.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a good Quinn.

[Mike]

Yes. Ranks right up there with Quinn the Eskimo and the Quinn from Jaws.

[Dan Le Batard]

And you can't say that.

[Mike]

And then Quinn Snyder. The Three Quins.

[Dan Le Batard (alternate or co-host)]

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[Michelle Beadle]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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