Hour 2: It's Today? (feat. Tig Notaro)

Summary

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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 2: "It's Today?" (feat. Tig Notaro)
Date: January 8, 2026
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Anthony Mase, Jeremy
Guest: Tig Notaro
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Main Theme and Purpose

This episode blends the Le Batard crew's irreverent sports commentary with a funny, insightful appearance by comedian Tig Notaro, who happens to be from Mississippi—the focus because of the high-stakes University of Miami vs. Mississippi game. The conversation with Tig highlights her pop-culture oblivion, her return to touring, and her unique comedic approach, then segues back into sports: the Miami Dolphins’ coaching upheaval and the confounding state of the Washington Wizards franchise in the NBA.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Tig Notaro Joins the Show: Mississippi Ambassadorship & Comic Distance (00:00–10:59)

• Why Tig?
  Dan wanted the occasion of the Miami-Mississippi game to feel "bigger" and welcomed Tig as a notable Mississippian, albeit one with no local sports knowledge.
  Dan Le Batard (00:00): “I told everyone here, bigger, bigger... Mississippi has not been talked enough about here ... I am a big fan of her... my wife is an even bigger fan...”

• Tig on Mississippi and Sports:
  Tig reveals her indifference to sports—her family and even the cats care, but not her.
  Tig Notaro (01:06): “I don't follow sports, but everybody in my house does... everyone but me.”

• The College Football Game’s Importance:
  Tig is barely aware the big game is even happening.
  Tig Notaro (01:33): “It's today?”

• Mississippi Family Ties:
  Her family is divided between Ole Miss and LSU allegiances, and she only passively tracks the drama.

• Airplane Etiquette and Tig’s Approach:
  The hosts weave in a tangent about airplane etiquette (passenger with bare, talon-like feet). Tig would discreetly notify the flight attendant rather than confront.
  Tig Notaro (03:16): “I might slip a note to the flight attendant and be like, could you have this guy ... cover ... these talons?”
  Tig Notaro (04:02): “He could have brought like a. A clothespin to put on his nose...”

2. Comedy Touring, Pop Culture Cluelessness, and Mental Health (04:16–13:12)

• Tig's Touring Hiatus:
  She’s been off tour for 2.5 years, filming a new Star Trek series (with Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti as the villain), and doing her podcast ("Handsome"). Her Florida show will mark the return to major touring.
  Tig Notaro (04:31): “I've actually been on like a two and a half year break... filming this new Star Trek series... doing my podcast, the Handsome Podcast...”

• Testing Material & Crowd Differences:
  Tig prefers working out material in LA and then seeing how it plays with other audiences—“a thrill.”
  Tig Notaro (05:29): “The thrill... is getting out of Los Angeles... Let's see what Fort Lauderdale has to say.”

• Palatability & Theaters vs. Clubs:
  She points out that in large theaters, most people already know her, so it’s not as hostile as walking cold into an unknown crowd.
  Tig Notaro (06:35): “I'm not doing comedy clubs, I'm doing theater. So people who know who I am already are... the ones buying the ticket..."

• Her “Pop Culture Blindness”:
  Dan recounts Tig’s “Funny or Die” bit where she interviewed celebrities she didn’t recognize. The producers picked celebs from headshots, invited the ones she didn’t know, and she’d interview them on-camera to figure out who they were.
  Tig Notaro (07:46): “...I don't follow pop culture. I follow music and documentaries, and that's kind of what my interests are. And I. I miss a lot.”

• Childhood TV vs. Modern TV:
  Tig liked “Good Times,” “Sanford and Son,” and “The Waltons” as a kid; mostly unplugged now.
  Tig Notaro (09:10): “I have to say I was more a Good Times and Sanford and Son Gal. ... I also dipped into, like, the Waltons from time to time.”

• Mental Health & “Disconnecting”:
  She finds life “mentally healthier” by tuning out “the silly sugar” of pop culture—endorses monitoring her well-being with an Apple Watch. Tig Notaro (10:21): “Yes, sir... I can't emphasize getting an Apple Watch enough.”

3. Tig’s Podcast “Handsome”: Creative Escape from the Noise (11:31–13:12)

• Why “Handsome”?
  A deliberate escape from negativity/news, focusing on comedy with Fortune Feimster, Mae Martin, and celebrity questions.
  Tig Notaro (11:35): “...I wanted to push out even more of the noise and the news and the politics... and that's where I came across the idea of doing this show with Fortune and Mae Martin.”

• Sample Questions:
  From deeply personal (“Can you ever truly forgive anyone?” – Sarah Paulson) to comically blunt (Sarah Silverman’s cheeky query).
  Tig Notaro (13:18): "Okay, so Sarah asked us, how do you clean your asshole?"

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4. Dolphins Fire Mike McDaniel & “Coaching Messiah” Discourse (18:12–24:48)

• Miami Dolphins Drama:
  The Dolphins fired coach Mike McDaniel (who was arguably their best coach in decades) amid speculation they're clearing the deck to chase Jim Harbaugh.
  Dan Le Batard (19:20): “The Dolphins gets the keys to the entire organization ... because honestly, it is kind of crazy that at one point these two human beings from the same family coached against each other in a Super Bowl.”

• Coach as Savior is a Mirage:
  Dan questions the real impact—what’s the true difference between a top coach and, say, the #10 coach? Will “Harbaugh” instantly fix generations of dysfunction?
  Dan Le Batard (20:45): “I think it's spectacularly stupid to be in the position of desperation where you think somebody for any amount of money can just come in here and fix this.”

• Structure Matters: "Church and State"
  Mase makes an analogy to separating church and state—owners should keep front office and coaching powers separate for checks and balances.
  Anthony Mase (21:46): “You want them to be on the same page. You do not want them to be the same person...You need a yin and a yang in this.”

• Quarterback Conundrum:
  Without a high-value quarterback, no fix is lasting; Tua's contract is an albatross.
  Dan Le Batard (23:46): “You don't have a quarterback and you're paying a quarterback a lot. It's a giant albatross...”
  Anthony Mase (24:34): “And even that, even that, like Trevor Lawrence... we could be a year and a half away from Trevor Lawrence [being an albatross].”

5. NBA: Trae Young Traded to Wizards – The Asset-Accumulation Era (25:25–37:20)

• Trade Details & Sadness:
  Trae Young, once seen as a revolutionary player for Atlanta (and Madison Square Garden villain), is shipped to the Washington Wizards—an NBA wasteland.
  Jeremy (25:25): “One of the saddest reports ever before the trade, seeing him come out just this, like across the bottom line. Trae Young says he wants [to go to Washington]...”

• Financial and Structural Moves:
  The Wizards’ cap situation makes them ideal to absorb Young; it’s less about skill and more about contracts and assets.
  Anthony Mase (26:53): “They are so under the salary floor... So having Trae Young's guaranteed money on the books actually helps them...”
  Anthony Mase (27:33): “The Wizards have the second worst defense in the history of the NBA. If there was any team that could say, yeah, give us Trae Young, it doesn't really matter.”

• Washington Wizards: a Historic Drought:
  The franchise hasn’t made a conference final since the 1970s championship. Anthony Mase (30:15): “Last time they made the conference finals... was when they won the championship in the 70s...”

• Player Development & Missed Projections:
  Amin revisits the infamous Trae Young–Luka Doncic draft comparison, asserting the Hawks’ expectations were always out of reach.
  Anthony Mase (32:12): “I said, 'This is going to be a bad trade.' ...Trae Young, he's not Luka Doncic. That guy's a generational talent.”

• NBA Rebuild Blueprint:
  Wizards’ new leadership is copying the OKC model—acquire assets, flip them, worry about wins later.
  Jeremy (34:07): “Washington ... their first team we've seen following that exact model that Oklahoma City has...”
  Anthony Mase (35:04): “President of basketball operations, Michael Winger, came from Oklahoma City. ...They know the sauce.”

• Career Management and Perception:
  Amin reflects on how player comps (Mike Conley vs. Steph Curry) can affect career paths and egos.
  Anthony Mase (36:23): “I said he could be a better Mike Conley. And it's just like, 'oh, how dare you' ... But it's like, now you think about it ... Mike Conley's great!”

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Tig’s Humor on Her Sports Apathy:
  Tig Notaro (01:06): “I don't follow sports, but everybody in my house does... everyone but me.”

• Tig on Air Travel Anxieties:
  Tig Notaro (03:16): “I might slip a note to the flight attendant... could you have this guy cover ... these talons?”

• Dan on Fandom vs. Pop Culture:
  Dan Le Batard (10:01): “Is it mentally healthier? Do you find that disconnecting from the silly sugar allows you to live a more balanced, stable, perspective life?”

• Tig on Pop-Culture Avoidance (and Apple Watch):
  Tig Notaro (10:21): “Yes, sir. And that's why I can't emphasize getting an Apple Watch enough.”

• Tig, Blunt as Ever:
  Tig Notaro (13:18): “Sarah [Silverman] asked us: How do you clean your asshole?"

• Dan on Coaching “Messiahs”
  Dan Le Batard (20:45): "I think it's spectacularly stupid to be in the position of desperation where you think somebody for any amount of money can just come in here and fix this.”

• Mase’s "Church and State" Coaching Analogy:
  Anthony Mase (21:46): "You want [GM and coach] to be on the same page. You do not want them to be the same person..."

• Snapshot of the Washington Wizards’ Futility:
  Anthony Mase (30:15): “Last time they made the conference finals... was when they won the championship in the 70s. Since then, they haven't exited the second round.”

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Segment Timestamps

• [00:00–13:12] – Tig Notaro: Mississippi, Sports Apathy, Comedy, Disconnecting from Pop Culture
• [18:12–24:48] – Miami Dolphins Fire Mike McDaniel, The Jim Harbaugh Chase
• [25:25–37:20] – NBA: Trae Young to the Wizards, The Asset Era, Franchises in Limbo
• [39:11–42:55] – Rubber Tree Plant Song, Harbaugh Parody Song, Jeremy’s Multiple Hats

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Tone & Atmosphere

In trademark Le Batard fashion: playful, unfiltered, and discursive. The crew bounces between earnest, probing questions and comic asides with both guests and each other, never taking sports (or themselves) too seriously. Tig Notaro’s deadpan humor and unique worldview fit right in, making for a fun and thoughtful episode.

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For Those Who Missed the Episode

You’ll come away entertained by Tig’s wry detachment from the sports world, her comedic origin stories, and unbothered take on popular culture. For sports fans, the episode delivers sharp, skeptical analysis of the latest Miami Dolphins reset and a candid look at NBA’s new era of asset shuffling—punctuated by Le Batard’s skepticism of “savior” coaches and Amin’s NBA context. And, yes, you’ll even get to hear the origins (and lyrics) of that classic “high hopes” song.

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Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast. So I told everyone here, bigger, bigger. It's a giant game. The University of Miami against Mississippi. Make it all sound and be and feel bigger. Get me guests that make it bigger. And they're. How about. They're like, how about Tig Notar? Or she's from Mississippi. And I'm like, okay, that's a start. Mississippi has not been talked enough about here. And she's famously not pop culture savvy about some things that other people care about. So I'm guessing she doesn't know who we are. She would have no reason to. But I am a big fan of her as a best selling author, a director, a comedian, an inspiration. My wife is an even bigger fan because she says this is the most badass woman there's ever been. She got breast cancer, she got a double mastectomy, and then she did a show topless after that. And Bo Burnham was inspired by it, as were many people. So anyway, Tig, big fan and thank you for being on with us.

[Anthony Mase]

But you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you know anything about sports? Are you proud to be from Mississippi?

[Tig Notaro]

I don't follow sports, but everybody in my house does. My, my, my wife, my father in law, my sons, my three cats, everyone but me.

[Anthony Mase]

Said it's so.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you're lonely. So you're just like, is there anyone rooting for Mississippi? Can you tell us anything about Mississippi that would give me the kind of expertise I would need on game day to properly cover this game with Tig Notaro? Is that.

[Tig Notaro]

It's today.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, perfect. So, okay, thank you, guys. I'm pleased that you got me from someone from Mississippi. So I guess I should just segue into talking.

[Tig Notaro]

I should have called my cousins, my one cousin Donald, he's Ole Miss, and my cousin Jimmy is lsu. So I know that doesn't. I know LSU is not Mississippi, but I'm.

[Anthony Mase]

There's a connection. There's a connection because the head coach of Ole Miss left to go to lsu.

[Dan Le Batard]

So are we going to explain this to her? Because I don't think she's particularly.

[Anthony Mase]

Both of them up. I want her cousins to be on and start arguing about.

[Dan Le Batard]

About whether he was right or wrong to leave or to leave Mississippi for lsu. Do you know this whole story, this whole soap opera?

[Tig Notaro]

Okay, I do know it's happening only because I was in the room and my family was talking about it, but I was also on my way to the airport, so I have not followed up to see what's going on. Or maybe you guys can tell me. I'm dying to know.

[Anthony Mase]

You mentioned going to the airport.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think she is dying.

[Anthony Mase]

I don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think she wants to talk about her tour. I don't think she wants to talk. Well, I would ask about Mississippi football.

[Anthony Mase]

She's a stand up comedian, she travels a lot. We had the guest who was on right before you said he was on his flight and the guy across the aisle had his shoes off, no socks, his bare feet. And then they were bulkhead. Bulkhead feet against the bulkhead.

[Dan Le Batard]

And bad feet. Like talons. Like talons for feet. Rotten toenails.

[Anthony Mase]

And so Tig, I ask you, would you have said something? Cuz the guest that we had on, he's a big coward. He's a big coward and a fraud and a sucker. So he didn't say anything. He just sat there and he frowned. Would you say something?

[Tig Notaro]

Here is. The thing is, I feel like things have gotten a bit tense in the air these days. So I might slip a note to the flight attendant and be like, could you have this guy slip some cover some sort of something over these talons?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's good work by her. But also putting the flight attendant in jeopardy now making the flight attendant do their job.

[Tig Notaro]

Yes, yes, Dan.

[Anthony Mase]

If you listen to the pilot at the beginning, he always says, these are my officers. You listen to them, you'll obey them as they obey me or whatever.

[Dan Le Batard]

So my shoes on?

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Anthony Mase]

So I kind of feel like that's the way to do it. Now a sucker and a fraud and a coward would just make faces and.

[Dan Le Batard]

Watch and then complain the next day on the show instead of doing anything about it. So you're saying he's a coward for not saying.

[Anthony Mase]

And a sucker and a fraud.

[Tig Notaro]

He could have brought like a. A clothespin to put on his nose. That's something to travel with and sit.

[Jeremy]

There and it sends the message.

[Tig Notaro]

It really sends the message. Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tig, how do you feel these days about the grind of touring? Obviously you love, you must love that. You must love the creativity, the performance, all the great things that the business provides. How about the touring of it though?

[Tig Notaro]

Well, I've actually been on like a two and a half year break. I've been filming this new Star Trek series that actually premieres next week. It's starring Holly Hunter and Paul Giamatti as the bad guy. And so I've been in Toronto filming and I've been doing my podcast, the Handsome Podcast. So I've only been doing a Few dates here and there. So when I go to Florida next week, that's going to be the very beginning of my touring in a few years.

[Dan Le Batard]

So she's coming.

[Tig Notaro]

I'm looking to getting back.

[Dan Le Batard]

So she's coming to the Parker Playhouse. I should have said this off the top in Fort Lauderdale, January 14th. If you want tickets tignation.com for full tour dates and tickets. Can you walk us through, though not performing Forming for a While and Now Coming Back and the hunger. The hunger about it, and specifically, I'm guessing, the material that the last two and a half years or the last four years have provided for you.

[Tig Notaro]

Well, you know, I work out my material in Los Angeles at. There's a couple of venues that I'm a regular at. So I go there and I work out the material until I feel like it's at a comfortable place to take it on the road. And then the thrill of it is getting out of Los Angeles because sometimes you don't really know if what the gauge is there. If you're only doing New York or la, it's really nice to go into the heart of the country and get everybody else's response. So that's a thrill too, because I think it's good in Los Angeles. Let's see what Fort Lauderdale has to say.

[Dan Le Batard]

So does this require bravery, though, when you think of it that way? If you're, yes, Los Angeles, Angeles applauds you and your liberal leanings. Yes, Los Angeles loves what you're, what you're representing, but will in this time, Middle America, you feel brave doing that or you welcome the challenge of that because you believe you should be palatable across the aisle because comedy demands it.

[Tig Notaro]

Well, I mean, one would hope comedy demands it. But I'm doing. I'm not doing comedy clubs, I'm doing theater. So people who know who I am already are typically the ones buying the ticket to my show. So it's not a situation where I walk into a room full of people like, who the hell is this? You know, so hopefully, I mean, and even if there are people that are that wonder who the hell is this? I welcome them and I look forward to hopefully making them laugh.

[Dan Le Batard]

Amin, are you familiar with the work that she did on Funny or Die, where she wasn't aware of very much pop culturally and she would have to sort of figure they present someone to her famous and she. She couldn't figure out how it is or who that is they were.

[Tig Notaro]

I would interview a celebrity to try and figure out who they were and.

[Dan Le Batard]

But you would be famous. And so can you walk us through. I know it was a while. A while ago, but can you sort of walk us through what it is the conceit was and what kind of. What was the most memorable of the awkward interactions?

[Tig Notaro]

Well, it was really funny because the producers would. They'd put together these pages of headshots of different celebrities, and they'd ask me who I recognized and anybody I said no to, they would send an email to that person's agent and say, explain the show and see if the person wanted to come on. And oftentimes they did. And so they would show up and. And I would say, please welcome this person. And a celebrity comes out, and then I sit down. And I would have to say, I mean, they were all so fun. But Kaley Cuoco from.

[Anthony Mase]

Oh, yeah, Big Bang Theory. Yeah, Big Bang Theory sign commercials.

[Tig Notaro]

Yes, sure.

[Dan Le Batard]

She's wildly unimpressed by these people. That was part of the.

[Tig Notaro]

It's not that I'm unimpressed. It's that I don't want. I don't follow pop culture. I follow music and documentaries, and that's kind of what my interests are. And I. I miss a lot.

[Anthony Mase]

So let me you this.

[Tig Notaro]

Yeah.

[Anthony Mase]

Now, obviously, everything is streaming. The ability to watch stuff without watching commercials is pretty easy. But what did you do before then? Like, before that? Did you never watch TV?

[Tig Notaro]

I did as a child. I did through the 70s, maybe early 80s. Very early 80s.

[Dan Le Batard]

Family ties.

[Anthony Mase]

Family Ties.

[Dan Le Batard]

Great show. Family Ties.

[Tig Notaro]

I have to say I was more a Good Times and Sanford and Son Gal. Not the same. Well, no, I said 70s.

[Anthony Mase]

Oh, that's true. That's a good point.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Tig Notaro]

Yeah, but. And then I also dipped into, like, the Waltons from time to time. That's not the. That's. That's probably before your time.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, it's pathetic. No, your viewing choice there is pathetic. Watching the Waltons, you've exposed yourself in front of America. That's terrible. You were doing fine with what?

[Tig Notaro]

The Waltons.

[Dan Le Batard]

Those are two very different Americas on your television that you were watching.

[Tig Notaro]

You sound like my brother. I used to watch the Waltons to drive him insane. But, yeah, so that's what I did. I played guitar, I played soccer. I played in the woods. I don't know what to say.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, no, the reason. I love the conceit for a lot of reasons. But how do you do that in 2026? Is it mentally healthier? Do you find that disconnecting from the silly sugar allows you to live a more balanced, stable, perspect life because then you don't have to actually pay attention to stupid stuff.

[Tig Notaro]

Yes, sir. And that's why I can't emphasize getting an Apple Watch enough. I cannot emphasize it enough to just.

[Dan Le Batard]

Measure where your heart rate is based on daily things that are causing you anxiety. Is that why you're doing a sponsor Apple Watch?

[Tig Notaro]

I would rather watch my heart rate on my Apple Watch than most pop culture. But I do accidentally take in spores.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because your family is accidentally taking in spores.

[Tig Notaro]

Because I walk through the room and I go into the kitchen and get something to eat or drink. Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

January 14th again, Fort Lauderdale. Parker Playhouse in Fort Lauderdale. It's a great theater. It really is. And she's kicking off her 2026 tour. If you want tignation.com is where you go. If you want full tour dates and if you want tickets as well. Thank you T for being on with us. You mentioned your podcast, Handsome Can. It's been interesting watching what's happening with Comedy and Podcast, Stand Up Comedy and Podcast. You chose this route as a creative venture. When you're careful about where it is you put your energies.

[Anthony Mase]

Why?

[Dan Le Batard]

What is it that drew you to Handsome?

[Tig Notaro]

Well, I wanted to kind of push out even more of the noise and the news and the politics, everything that was going on. And I wanted to put together a group of comedians I had met and very surfacely hung out with in the scene, who I enjoyed talking to. And that's where I came across the idea of doing this show with Fortune Feimster and Mae Martin. And every week we have a celebrity or public figure send us a question and we answer their question and then they also answer their own questions. So like Sarah Paulson asks us, can you ever truly forgive anyone? And then, gosh, I won't tell you what Sarah Silverman asked us. But anyway, so yeah, it's, it's a really fun show and I just wanted to have light hearted conversations and kind of push out all the, all the noise once a week.

[Dan Le Batard]

But what is the answer to your question? Can you ever forgive someone? Like, so you're saying aspirationally, you want to go to the deepest possible places.

[Tig Notaro]

Well, I mean, well, some episodes there are real questions like can you ever truly forgive anyone? And then some questions are, what? Sarah Silver Mask. Sarah Silver Mask.

[Jeremy]

You can't do that to really want.

[Dan Le Batard]

Take. You can't do that. Take. You can't do what you just did twice. You're talking around it while giving us a.

[Tig Notaro]

What can I say on that show?

[Dan Le Batard]

Anything you want. There are no Rules here.

[Tig Notaro]

Okay, so Sarah. Sarah asked us, how do you clean your asshole?

[Anthony Mase]

Cut that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, maybe not everything. Take nation.com for full tour dates and tickets. Parker Playhouse, January 14th in Fort Lauderdale. Handsome is the podcast where you can find out how to clean your asshole. Thank you, Tig. We are appreciated.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard what is the worst part of the life? Stug.

[Jeremy]

The worst part of the life of what?

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach. So the Dolphins just cleansed their asshole by firing Mike McDaniel. We segue effortlessly into the next portion of our show.

[Jeremy]

The obvious reports are that this is somewhat Harbaugh related his availability, that the Dolphins are clearly interested. They're not saying they're going to get him, but the Dolphins are clearly interested by this.

[Anthony Mase]

I'll tell you right now, one of these days I'm going to launch Football Illuminati. Third eye open all the time on all sports, ladies and gentlemen, all the franchise. For now, there's just Basketball Illuminati comes out multiple times a week wherever you get. Podcasts produced by Anthony Mase.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you. No one was asking the question I wanted to put in front of the group, though, because we've been waiting for this for a while. The Dolphins have had a lot of instability here. This coach was as fine as the last coach. Both of them, 500 coaches, very little patience for either of them. Because Steven Ross has the perception that he doesn't know what he's doing. He's got a Brian Flores lawsuit on his lap. He hires the half Black Mike McDaniel to provide cover over the last four years. He was very good at offense. He will be a very good offensive coordinator for someone else. Everyone gets swept out to see Chris Greer. Mike McDaniel Tua's hanging on collecting money, but he says it's dope. It'd be dope if he can get a fresh start somewhere else.

[Anthony Mase]

Arugula, please.

[Dan Le Batard]

And so now everything starts over. And the thing that I wanted to ask you guys from yesterday and Amin, I'm glad I have you here as sort of a front office examiner of culture making and how hard it is to actually make a culture. Like everyone talks about this, but being a leader who walks into a room and just takes charge of the Dolphins gets the keys to the entire entire organization. Because his name is Harbaugh and because honestly, it is kind of crazy that at one point these two human beings from the same family played or coached against each other in a Super Bowl. This name is football royalty. It made $17 million a year last year. It had the rare, rare instance earlier this week of being fired in a cutthroat business. And the media reacting with genuine shock, couldn't believe someone that successful in the cutthroat business of football could be fired. That guy's now available. He is among the most coveted leadership people ever made available at a time that a whole bunch of other teams want to get him as well. I think it's spectacularly stupid to be in the position of desperation where you think somebody for any amount of money can just come in here and fix this. As if that's an easy thing with 25 years of failure and incompetence that you're managing up to because your owner hasn't been competent. The question I want to ask you is referencing back to yesterday when I look at the top 10 coaches in football and I ask everyone in our audience, what's the difference between number one and number 10? What do you think the Harbaugh advantage is 16 hours a day playing against Tomlin, who's also coaching 16 hours a day? What's it mean when it comes down to a field goal at the end? What's this man actually worth? Because I don't think there's much difference between whatever he is and whatever the third, 13th best coach in this sport is, whoever you think that is. But they're going to pay him like he's the best there's ever been just because everyone's desperate. We're at a desperate leadership time. And I think the Dolphins are going to do the stupid thing of just giving all the money and power to one person because he fixes things from one day to the next optically. And Steven Ross can go back to being a terrible owner who's given away all the power to Harbaugh. They gave it to Saban here once. They gave it to Parcells once. It doesn't really work. It's the same guy at the top, and none of it ends up working because you got to get a quarterback. You got to hit on the quarterback. They always get the quarterback, wr. Nobody comes with a quarterback. This guy doesn't come with a quarterback either.

[Anthony Mase]

I think so. I've been a long proponent of this across all sports. I actually had a conversation with my child about this, about the literal term, church and state. Do you know what the separation of church and state is about? My child was like, yes, because I said, why? Why is there a separate church and state? My kid couldn't answer. I said, the reason why is because you don't want anyone to say, hey, this is the way it's going to be. Why? Because God says so. That's the reason why we have separation of church and state in real life, Right? In sports, Terms separation of church and state is the front office and the coaching staff. Yes. You want them to be on the same page. You do not want them to be the same person because inherently there is a conflict there. One has to think about long term building, long term architecture. The other is focused about today. And if you give the guy who's got to be focused about today the power of the guy of tomorrow, he will make every decision about today, which in turn ends up ruining the flow of the thing. You need a yin and a yang in this. And so you're right. The Dolphins are going to probably do this. They're going to be aggressive, money, whatever it is, but the power is the big thing. But you do that and you put yourself in the situation where there is no separation between church and state and where John Harbaugh will make decisions based on John Harbaugh the coach's desires, not John Harbaugh the architect.

[Dan Le Batard]

You guys do realize the Dolphins just fired somebody that it can be argued is the best head coach they've had in the last 25 years and is responsible for the two most exciting dolphin seasons of this century? Yes. And they're going to now just turn every look. The reporting is that they're going to look for a GM as well. But what you do, if you're Dolphins and trying to be enticing, most enticing, because it's not an enticing job. It's not what's enticing about it. You got like four players anybody would.

[Co-worker/Friend]

Want, and you're stuck with a quarterback who you can't cut.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because if you do, that's $99 million. You can cut him. It doesn't matter. You don't have a quarterback and you're paying a quarterback a lot. It's a giant albatross. Only Denver survived it. They did it with Sean Payton.

[Tig Notaro]

They.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Denver survived that when they had it in Russell Wilson and they got out from it as under, as fast as they could. You cannot have. Look, man, we spend so much time on the math and the measurements. You cannot have a disaster of value at the quarterback position without any value. Like it wrecks the Browns even though they have Miles Garrett, DeShawn Foster wrecks the Browns. There's no way to build it.

[Anthony Mase]

Sean Watson.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's a fine Deshaun Watson. You understand what I'm saying? It wrecks your franchise to need advantages within the salary cap and have it all tied up and someone who's not going to even play like, you got to get it to be Trevor Lawrence, if you're going to give it $50 million.

[Anthony Mase]

And even that, even that, like Trevor Lawrence. Yeah, but like we could be a year and a half away from Trevor Lawrence feeling. That's. This is, this is the.

[Dan Le Batard]

So Harbaugh stops the noise one day to the next. I mean, from one day to the next, the noise stops.

[Anthony Mase]

For the off season, he takes care of a temporary reprieve from. In the same way that Mike McDaniels temporarily was like, oh, everyone's like, oh, we finally did it. It's like, but none of this. And this is why you don't pay a coach $50 million. Because at some point, history shows you're gonna want to get out from under this contract one way or another, regardless whether there's a salary cap or not. Which brings me segue to Trey Young and Trey Young going to the Washington Wizards. And the seemingly change of heart went from Minnesota or Brooklyn to, oh, I'll go to Washington.

[Jeremy]

One of the saddest reports ever before the trade, seeing him come out just this, like across the bottom line. Trae Young says he wants. I mean, of course, that's probably just agents knowing the deal's coming, right? But I just, it made me smile looking like I've. Who's ever requested to go to.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I want to talk with Amin about what happened here. Just because I thought a four time all star just got sent to an outpost. And I'm not going to say it was confusing, but I assumed it's because he doesn't have a lot of other.

[Anthony Mase]

Places, that it was a financial decision for everybody. For the Wizards, for Trae Young, for everybody. So originally he wanted to go to Minnesota or Brooklyn, right? Brooklyn because it's in New York. Minnesota because it's a team that's on the cusp, right. And it was relayed that the mutual interest did not exist and then he doubled back. Actually Washington, I don't mind my Washington, where Washington about two weeks ago was not on the table for them. I know now they're coming out. Oh, long time. Washington. No, no, no. This is all new. And it's all new because Trae Young is up for an extension. He's got $49.9 million due to him next season. But he can either opt out or opt in or extend right now and have some cost certainty to his life. Washington's the only place that's willing to do that. Now, the reason for that is Washington only has like five or, excuse me, seven guys under contract next season, which.

[Dan Le Batard]

Means it's for next summer.

[Jeremy]

Right?

[Anthony Mase]

They are so under the salary floor that they're going to be hampered in the things that they're going to be able to do. So having Trae Young's guaranteed money on the books actually helps them continue to run their team, number one. And number two, it's like they're 29th in attendance or something. It's like the worst that can happen is he's going to make us a little bit more exciting, a little bit more, you know, kind of salacious in the market. And then number three, and this is huge. The Wizards have the second worst defense in the history of the NBA. If there was any team that could say, yeah, give us Trae Young, it doesn't really matter. Oh, he can't defend. Oh, oh, my God, he can't defend. Neither can we. So.

[Dan Le Batard]

So can we.

[Anthony Mase]

Yeah, so. So bringing him in gives them a chance at improving their offense. And really, there's no downside on the defensive end because they're already awful.

[Jeremy]

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[Anthony Mase]

We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore either. He said you could do it where? Anywhere. Oh. Whoa. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's crazy.

[Dan Le Batard]

He could do it anywhere.

[Anthony Mase]

That's crazy. Murder. Murder. Tell him St.

[Co-worker/Friend]

I had no idea. Mean had that in his locker.

[Anthony Mase]

That might be his death. That's crazy.

[Jeremy]

I'm not kidding.

[Anthony Mase]

That's crazy. That's crazy. Killer. It's two America's dead.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't get it. This is the Dan lebatar show with the Stugach. Well, you say there's no downside on the defensive. And every time I look up, they're giving up 130 points. I don't know how they win a game. It's a slop fest. And Jordan Poole was sent there before the this to go rot. Because Washington is now and has been for a long time an outpost where salaries just go. It's why CJ McCollums was. Yeah, it's just as a professional basketball franchise, they have gone from Bradley Beal and John Wall, and you can be exciting for one season, and that's the most successful they've had. Like the Wizards as a franchise have been an apocalypse. Even when they had Michael Jordan, that's always been a bad franchise.

[Anthony Mase]

A fun fact about the Wizards. Wizards, last time they made the conference finals, not the NBA Finals, the conference finals, was when they won the championship in the 70s. Since that championship, they haven't exited the second round of the playoffs. So that's almost 50 years now.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'd like to examine, actually, if we want to look at historically dreadful franchises, the Washington Wizards are in the conversation. And I've got to be honest, I'm a little bit stunned that I've been able to watch the career of. Of Trae Young go from Oklahoma. Oh, that revolutionizes the game, being able to shoot from out there. Oh, look, that could win at Madison Square Garden and take an Atlanta team further than a Washington team has gone in the last 50 years to have that. Have so little value that he has to sadly just go to Washington, where Chris Middleton is, where you just. You just go as a dinosaur to collect paychecks because they're not playing the same professional basketball everyone else is.

[Anthony Mase]

I wouldn't say that's what they're doing. Recently. Recently, maybe in the past. Yes. Right now. The Wizards, over the last, like 18 months or so, they're in a cycle of like, just give us stores of value. Right. So we traded Bradley Beal for Chris Paul. We don't want Chris Paul. He's just a store of value. So Chris Paul turns into Jordan Poole. All right. Jordan Poole's young and exciting. Maybe he could be the guy as soon as they figure out he's not the guy he becomes. What a trade for CJ McCollum, who is a store of value. Same thing. Hey, we'll sign Kyle Kuzma or Kyle Kuzma, not our guy, bring him in for Khris Middleton. Just a store of value. All they're doing is seeing if we can acquire assets and then taking whatever guy that's a name in that thing and saying, look, you're not actually going to be here that long.

[Dan Le Batard]

If I had said to you, though, Amin honestly, when Trey Young is bowing in Madison Square Garden, wrecking the Knicks seasons before they became what they've been recently become, if I told you that can be had for CJ McCollum in a couple of years, you would have thought that that would have been that precipitous.

[Anthony Mase]

I don't think it was that much of a descent. That's the difference. Like, for me, it was, it started on draft night. I was on ESPN on the, on the draft coverage and I was telling everybody, hey, this is a no brainer. There's one guy in this, in this draft who is MVP of a league of men. It's Luka Doncic. He should go number one, no questions asked. So he doesn't go one, he doesn't go two. Atlanta has three. They trade down to get an extra pick that they use on Cam Reddish, I think. And I said, this is going to be a bad trade. But the worst part is Trae Young's name is always going to be connected to this dude. And that's not his fault. He's a good player. Trae Young, he's not Luka Doncic. That guy's a generational talent. And for like two or three years, people in Atlanta really, really held onto that, including some people in Trae Young's camp. They really took offense to me saying that. I'm not saying he's not a great player. I'm saying he's not. That that thing is something else that we've never seen before. And so as Trae Young's career progressed, the other thing I remember, I talked to Fran Fuschilla about this. Everyone was trying to compare him to Steph Curry because he's small and he shoots threes. But like, we were, me and Fran were like, well, first of all, Steph is not that small. Steph is a tall. He's six three. And while he was skinny in college, he put on, he had a frame that could put on weight.

[Dan Le Batard]

As no one's saying Steph, worst defender in the league. No one says that no, no.

[Anthony Mase]

Trae Young is small and not quick and not athletic. Right. And on top of that, the shot selection, because of the Steph Curry comparison.

[Dan Le Batard]

And inefficient out of whack.

[Anthony Mase]

If Fran was talking about this, he said he should have focused on being a point guard who can shoot as opposed to Steph Curry who can also pass better. Right. And because of that, it kind of tweaked out his shot profile, and that made for an offense that's very difficult to be sustainable and consistent.

[Jeremy]

We talked about it yesterday when the idea of Trae Young came up, which is, this guy is a great passer.

[Anthony Mase]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

And he should have been primarily focused on that. And when the Hawks went on their run, yes, we remember the big moments, but the best games that they played were when he was getting everybody else involved when Kevin Herder was going off. And. And now Washington seemingly is following that Oklahoma City model like, this is the way to rebuild. It's no longer just accumulating picks. It's accumulating depressed assets that might cost a lot of money, because, hey, at the next deadline, you can flip that for somebody else. Or, hey, next year, if Giannis is still somehow in a Milwaukee Bucks uniform and they're desperate to try to keep him and Trey Young is an expiring contract, maybe they get desperate and they give you some more. Having those players on top of the picks is clearly the way to build this thing. And this is really the first team we've seen following that exact model that Oklahoma City has, or at least trying to.

[Anthony Mase]

You know why the president of basketball operations, Michael Winger, came from Oklahoma City? Will Dawkins, the gentle manager, came from Oklahoma City. So, like, these. These guys, they. They know. They know the sauce.

[Jeremy]

It's like the team's trying to do the raise thing.

[Anthony Mase]

But. But. Yes, exactly. But going back to Trae Young, this is a part that seems. This is a weird thing about the NBA. You could, say, tell guys or say things about guys that make cops that people will get offended. And you realize years later that actually would have been a better thing. I've told a story before about Aaron Aflalo. In his pre draft, we asking him, like, who do you compare yourself to? And he said, kobe Bryant. And we're like, okay, everyone wants to be, like, the best player in the league. But, like, no, but who realistically are like, Kobe Bryant, Buddy, you're not Kobe Bryant. But I'll tell you what you can be. You can be a better Raja Bell because you're bigger than Roger. You're more athletic than Roger and your starting point as a shooter is more advanced than Rogers was when he came in the league. And Aaron Aflalo took such great offense because in his mind we were calling him a quote unquote scrub. Even though Roger Bell is an all defensive team player, starter on a team that won 60 games. All these things, right? So circle back to Trae Young. I said he could be a better Mike Congress. And it's just like, oh, how dare you go. But it's like now you think about it like if you Mike Conley's great. But. But if you think you're Steph Curry and someone says you're Mike Conley sounds like an insult.

[Jeremy]

And everybody's been telling you you're Steph Curry.

[Anthony Mase]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Like because you were the next guy who physically looked like that playing in college basketball.

[Dan Le Batard]

But the, the larger point I would make to everyone listening to this, whatever you think the Trae Young career arc was going to be and wherever it is, he overachieved beyond expectations for all stars 20 and again. Conference Conference semifinals Madison Square Garden villain for a moment. What half a season. People were wondering what that could be for half a season. And it ends up at the documentary worthy way station that is the Washington Wizards where their best team is the one that has guns in the locker room. Their best team is Gilbert Arenas. And everything that's happened since then is just spectacular clown show where now they get to reinvent themselves or try to with the OKC model of it doesn' matter who our players are. The only thing we need is future assets and locked prices on future assets.

[Anthony Mase]

To be fair, Beal and Wall is the best team they've had in the last 50 years, not Gilbert Arenas and friends. But the other part of that is Dan, you talk about that. You asked me and I said I never was that high. I thought that was out kicking their coverage in terms of that example. And then they came back the next year and they had a slow start. And I'll never forget this. Trae Young said something to the the extent of like, oh, you know, we're kind of bored with the regular season. And I said, how dare you? You went to the conference finals and you're bored with the regular season now. I said, look at those guys in Golden State. They just did this thing like for five years in a row and you didn't even taste what they tasted. And you're bored of the regular season. And like those are the things that were like, yo, they didn't manage their success properly. And I think that hurt them. The other part of this is. And the reason why, even though I think they should have moved off him earlier and they would have got more, they move off him now. Do you know why they're moving off of him now? Why? Finally it came like, hey, we don't need this guy anymore. It's because of your boy Adam McKay's guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, that's right.

[Anthony Mase]

Jalen Johnson.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, Jalen, Adam. My boy, Adam McKay. Amin is still referencing that. Adam. Okay, we've got to find Chris. You got to find the video of Amin doing a pilot show with a climate scientist as Adam McKay was breaking down basketball. Let's find that, please, because Amin keeps referencing it, and it can't be lost tapes anymore. In order to close some loops here today, can you please get me, Jeremy, the other lyrics to the rubber tree plant song that Greg Cody was singing earlier? I want to hear how old and ancient a song this is and how it is that I asked you for something that was bigger and bigger and bigger, and you gave me a rubber tree plant song.

[Jeremy]

Next time you're found with your chin on the ground They're a lot to be learned there. So look around Just what makes that little old ant Think he'll move that rubber tree plant? Anyone knows an ant can't move a rubber tree plant but he's got high hopes he's got high hopes he's got high apple pie in the sky hopes so anytime you're getting low stead of letting go Just remember that ant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant Oops, there goes another rubber tree plant Apple.

[Anthony Mase]

Pie in the sky Someone's high Apple pie in the sky for sure when.

[Dan Le Batard]

They wrote that, when I asked you guys to get a moment, that meant the Hurricanes playing in the biggest game in 20 years. The Dolphins have fired their coach. Another season to nowhere ends with another nowhere man being sent off someplace else.

[Anthony Mase]

Nowhere man.

[Jeremy]

I mean, I made a Harbaugh song you to want. Do you want that instead?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, actually. Yes.

[Anthony Mase]

High hopes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, I'd like a Harbaugh song instead. Yes, please.

[Jeremy]

Pay 50mil and you'll be done. Hire harbor as a dolphin. Hire harbor as a dolphin. Maybe 100 mil just for fun. Hire Harbaza dolphin. Hire harbaza dolphin dances your ass at.

[Anthony Mase]

The end of your life, so pay.

[Jeremy]

Him before it's done.

[Dan Le Batard]

150 mil could be right.

[Jeremy]

Hire Harbaza dolphin. Hire Harbaza dolphin. Hire Harbaza dolphin higher. Harbaza dolphin higher. Harbaza goes on forever. Dolphin Higher. Harbaugh as a dolphin. Higher. Harbaugh as a dolphin.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay.

[Anthony Mase]

There is an end to it. I wanted him to just to keep going for the next minute and a half, just repeating over and over, Jeremy, do the people at the Heat and the Marlins know what you do on the side?

[Jeremy]

Are they just asking this on air? No problem.

[Tig Notaro]

Just.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Anthony Mase]

Why this particular part of your side? Hustle.

[Jeremy]

Like the songs?

[Anthony Mase]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

I don't know if the athletes do. I sure hope they don't.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why do you ask?

[Anthony Mase]

I don't. I just wonder how that would impact how I could do my job as serious, you know, courtside reporter or what do they call me?

[Jeremy]

I'm a man who wears many hats.

[Anthony Mase]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And I'm capable of doing it all.

[Anthony Mase]

Do you have, like, one of those hat stands?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't understand.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I put the hats on my.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't understand your question. Why are you asking him whether or not people who employ him in the profession of sports know that he's on a giant sports show?

[Anthony Mase]

Well, it's not about being on the show. I'm not about being on the show. I'm talking about.

[Jeremy]

It's probably the Green Day impressions that he's wondering about.

[Anthony Mase]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Fake pregame show.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, so bigger. It needed to be bigger than that.

[Jeremy]

Petering out. It's Brogdon.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does anyone else think this is silly with the hard bought thing? No, it's. It's silly.

[Jeremy]

I said evidence.

[Anthony Mase]

You wanted to pay him $50 million.

[Jeremy]

I already miss McDaniel's offense.

[Anthony Mase]

I miss his glasses.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pay him everything. Give him all the power so he can just be named Harbaugh.

[Jeremy]

As a Dolphin.