Hour 2: Jerry Orbach Was Right!!!!!!!

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 2: Jerry Orbach Was Right!!!!!!!
Date: April 24, 2026

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Episode Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the regular cast (Juju, Roy, Zaslow, Trista, Dave) deliver their signature blend of sports, pop culture, and playful argumentation. In this lively hour, they cover the peculiarities of stadium seating, alphabet hot takes, LeBron James’ greatness, bizarre foot wrestling, evolving sports rivalries, NFL gossip, and the eternal wisdom of Jerry Orbach’s line from Dirty Dancing. The discussions oscillate between comedic banter and genuine sports insight, perfect for both diehards and casual listeners.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. The “Sad Knicks Legends” & Stadium Seating Woes

[01:08 – 03:46]

• Discussion: The group riffs on aging Knicks “legends” being relegated to seats several rows up instead of courtside. This launches a rant about arbitrary row labeling in stadiums.
• Highlights:
  • Dave’s confusion over lettered vs. numbered stadium rows and a plea for simplification.
    • “If I ever think I have first row and I show up and AA is front row, and A is row, like, nine… makes no sense.” – Dave (03:05)
  • Zaslow’s hot take: “I think we dump C. What purpose does the letter C serve? Think it through…” (04:07)
• Memorable Quote:
  • Dan: “I gotta be honest. It’s a moronic opinion.” (03:24)

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2. Brushings With Celebrity at Sporting Events

[05:17 – 07:55]

• Dan recounts sitting next to Jesse Jackson at a Cubs game, marveling at such random encounters, while others share their brushes with sports and pop culture icons.
  • “The whole game, Jesse Jackson’s right next to me watching the Cubs.” – Dan (06:27)
  • Zaslow shouts “down in front, champ!” at Leon Spinks at Dodger Stadium—a top moment for him (07:03).

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3. The Value of Letters and Baseball Quirks

[07:55 – 08:51]

• Lighthearted debate on the necessity of the letter C and peculiarities of baseball strikeout notation (why “K”).
  • Dave: “Do you know why they use K as the strikeout? It’s because the S was already taken. Sacrifice.” (08:32)
  • Trista’s take: “I think they should get rid of, when you strike somebody out, they put the K up…” (07:55)

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4. Roy’s Video of the Day: Toe Wrestling

[09:24 – 10:33]

• Roy’s segment introduces a video of competitive toe wrestling, prompting both amusement and disgust.
  • Zaslow: “Were men doing it, I would throw up. I would literally throw up all over the... thing.” (10:20)
  • Juju: “White woman’s feet.” (10:11)

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5. NBA Playoffs: Underappreciated Players & LeBron Debate

[11:38 – 13:47]

• Discussion turns to the NBA playoffs, focusing on Kevin Durant’s struggles, Lakers defense, and the under-the-radar performance of Luke Kennard.
  • Trista: “To expect more from KD is kind of nuts... LeBron’s facilitating and making everyone shine.” (12:26)
  • Zaslow: Describes the lingering resentment of LeBron as “weird” in the current NBA landscape.
    • “If he gets this series done…this is one of the great chapters in LeBron’s all-time great career.” (13:05)

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6. Is This LeBron’s Greatest Achievement?

[16:17 – 19:53]

• Dan claims winning this Lakers series would be LeBron’s most impressive feat; Juju disagrees, rattling off a Top 10 LeBron Achievements Since the Pandemic:
  • Highlights include:
    • More playoff wins than 21 NBA teams
    • Surviving Space Jam
    • Scoring milestones
    • Longevity, family, and off-court milestone (“his son threw him an assist in an NBA game” [19:24])
  • Juju (re: LeBron and his son): “His sperm on the floor with him.” (19:39)

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7. Dan’s Top 5 NBA Playoff Performers (So Far)

[19:53 – 23:57]

• Dan’s subjective ranking:
  1. LeBron James
  2. CJ McCollum
  3. Rudy Gobert (“he shut down Jokic last night…” [21:03])
  4. Jonathan Kuminga
  5. VJ Edgecombe
• Disagreements: Juju lobbies for Scoot Henderson’s exclusion being “direct slander” and calls Dan’s list “fugazi.” (24:28)

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8. Jerry Orbach, Dirty Dancing, and Moral Judgments

[25:16 – 26:29, 29:29 – 30:53]

• Zaslow references the classic “when I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong" line from Dirty Dancing.
• Dan provocatively backs Orbach’s father figure, arguing his suspicions about Swayze’s character were justified (“Jerry Orbach was right" [25:44]).
• The group humorously debates the morality of Dirty Dancing and era-appropriateness.

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9. Rivalries Old and New: NBA & NFL

[32:12 – 36:03]

• Dan relishes the “real” rivalry vibes in the Wolves/Nuggets matchup, expressing nostalgia for the pre-friendship era of the NBA.
  • Zaslow: “Best rivalry that didn’t exist 20 years ago?”—debate ranges from Heat-Knicks (too old) to SeaHawks-49ers and Canada-US in hockey.
• NFL rivalries: Chiefs-Bills, Seahawks-49ers, and evolving dynamics highlighted.

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10. Cowboys, Steelers, and the George Pickens Situation

[37:26 – 39:24]

• Trista and Zaslow break down the George Pickens situation: franchise tagging, behavioral concerns, and the Steelers’ history of juggling personalities.
  • Zaslow: “One good season, one good season of behavior, set you and your family up for the next hundred years.” (38:10)

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11. Vrabel, Patriots, and NFL Insider Gossip

[39:37 – 43:36]

• The show pivots to real NFL drama—a developing story involving Mike Vrabel, leaks, and personal conduct policies.
  • Dan (regarding NFL’s stance): “That scenario to me sounds like a coach who is really smart and he’s fostering a relationship... but I’m not sure how that’s like conduct detrimental.” (43:08)
  • Zaslow: “Who does counseling on a Saturday? That immediately is weird.” (41:38)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “What purpose does the letter C serve? ... I think we dump C.” – Zaslow (04:07)
• “I gotta be honest. It’s a moronic opinion.” – Dan (03:24)
• “His sperm on the floor with him.” – Juju (19:39)
• “If you could behave for one year, someone would say that to me, I’ll be here for one year.” – Dan (39:24)
• “When I’m wrong, I say I’m wrong.” – Zaslow, quoting Jerry Orbach (25:16)
• “Put it on the poll: Do you wish you had been married to Steve McQueen?” – Dave (30:53)

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Engaging Debates & Tangents

• Which letters of the alphabet are redundant or overrated?
• Do the quirks of stadium seat numbering actively ruin the fan experience?
• Should certain sports stats/notations be retired for cultural sensitivity?
• Who deserves top playoff billing in the NBA right now, and will that change soon?
• Does generational rivalry add or detract from the modern sports experience?

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Timeline of Key Segments

• 01:08 — Knicks Legends & Stadium Seat Woes
• 04:07 — “Dump C” Hot Take
• 05:17 — Celebrity Sightings at Games
• 07:55 — Baseball “K” Notation / Letter Value
• 09:24 — Roy’s Toe Wrestling Video
• 11:38 — NBA Playoffs: Durant, LeBron, Kennard
• 16:17 — Is This Peak LeBron?
• 19:53 — Dan’s Top 5 NBA Playoff Performers
• 25:16 — Jerry Orbach Quote & Dirty Dancing
• 32:12 — Wolves-Nuggets: NBA Rivalries
• 37:26 — George Pickens & Cowboys-Steelers Dynamics
• 39:37 — NFL Gossip: Vrabel and Conduct Policy

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Tone & Style

This episode is classic Le Batard Show: zany, irreverent, but peppered with sharp sports observation. Wild tangents about the alphabet or 1980s movies run parallel to detailed breakdowns of key NBA and NFL storylines. The cast’s chemistry drives rapid-fire debates and playful mockery, ensuring even the most inconsequential topic feels like appointment listening.

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In Summary

Hour 2 of "Jerry Orbach Was Right!!!!!!!" is a quintessential Dan Le Batard Show ride: equal parts sports nerd-out and pop culture free-for-all, always underpinned by smart, sly commentary. If you missed it, you’ll walk away caught up on the LeBron discourse, the emerging NBA and NFL rivalries, and—should you ever need to defend the letter C or Jerry Orbach’s moral code at a party—you’ll be covered.

Transcript

[Juju]

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[Dan LeBatard]

license numbers this is the Dan Levator

[Zaslow]

show with the ST Podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

I loved watching the sad Knicks legends, although I don't know why I used quotation marks there. But the, the sad Knicks legends who were sitting like, like three, four rows up at the game last night.

[Dave]

Are you a legend if you're in the fourth row? Are you a legend if you never won anything?

[Trista]

Well, are you a legend if John Star is wearing that hat?

[Dan LeBatard]

Trista, your turn.

[Juju]

I think they covered them all well.

[Dan LeBatard]

They were on the road, all right. And you know, it's like Pat Riley and Alonzo Morning. They travel for the playoff games, right? And they're always like four rows, you know, like that, that's. Those are the seats like the heat. The heat seats that they give the visiting teams personnel are like eight rows up behind the visitor bench. That's just the seats that the team, you know, allots for for people like that.

[Dave]

Have you ever ended up sitting next to like some brass? I've been like a few seats over before from like not at a Heat game but like at a baseball game where like all of a sudden I'm like, that's the gm. It's just interesting to watch. They watch the game just like we do. They watch the game just like we do.

[Juju]

I went to the NBA cup, it was OKC versus the spurs. And I sat down, I couldn't find where my what row it was because it's like a. And then there's like a.

[Dave]

A worst.

[Juju]

And I'm like, excuse me. Tap, tap. Do you know if this is row A or if this is row A a Tap tap.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sam Presty, the goat you had given

[Zaslow]

me Owner's box tickets back when the Marlins were at Joe Ry.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, that's right.

[Zaslow]

Yeah. And David Sampson had passed by me. We had never met before.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Zaslow]

No idea who I was.

[Dan LeBatard]

I used to get those seats every now and then.

[Dave]

I was going to say, that's owner's box seats.

[Dan LeBatard]

Those are great seats. Yeah.

[Trista]

I was at the Atlanta Dream game one time, and a seat. Two seats were vacant next to me, like, the whole game, almost third quarter. Don Staley.

[Dave]

Can I. I'm out on letter rose, by the way. Can we just do row one and up? Like, what are we doing with this number? If I ever think I have no.

[Dan LeBatard]

No rows.

[Dave]

If I ever think I'm right.

[Dan LeBatard]

But you want the rows to be numbers and the seats to be numbers.

[Dave]

I want to know if I'm in row. I don't want, like, a row. L. Like, now I'm sitting there like, oh, abcd. I gotta, like, count. Do the counting in my head. And then sometimes I think I have first row and I show up and AA is front row, and A is row, like, nine. And there's like, a. A bb, cc, dd. And then, like, all of a sudden, A picks up at row nine. It makes no sense.

[Dan LeBatard]

I. I gotta be honest. It's a moronic opinion.

[Dave]

What are you talking about? What is aa? We could just have row one and then up to the top.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's simple.

[Dave]

Why don't we just start negative 9. Row. Negative 9, and then have row 10 be row 1? That's what we're doing. That's what we're doing with AA. What is AA? What is BB? Pretty sure it's like, I don't ever want to be in row cc.

[Juju]

And if it's gonna be A. If it's gonna be AA or bb, it should be ZZ it should be A, B, C, D, all the way to Z. And then zz you're even higher.

[Roy]

Alpha.

[Zaslow]

Listen, what we don't need are more letters in the Alphabet. In fact, let me. Let me forward this hot take. I think we could do with one less letter in our Alphabet. I don't think.

[Dave]

What are we?

[Zaslow]

26, which is 26 is unwieldy, 25 is a little bit cleaner. I think we can agree. I think we dump C. What purpose does the letter C serve? Think it through if you want to.

[Dave]

What is wrong with you? It starts both.

[Trista]

My daughter Claire serves a big purpose in Los Angeles.

[Zaslow]

What the. Listen, the. The. If you want to make a curse now, please, let's. Let's. Let's let's not go there. But if we want to make a. If we want to make a sound, we got. We got K's right there for you.

[Dave]

I was careful.

[Roy]

You were gonna go with.

[Zaslow]

No, no, no, I didn't. I. I was careful with myself.

[Dan LeBatard]

Doing it three times. A tough. Look, Dave.

[Zaslow]

I didn't do it three times, friend. I did it twice and only twice.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, Just making.

[Zaslow]

Because I'm a gentleman.

[Trista]

Like pumps after a touchdown.

[Dave]

And then.

[Zaslow]

And then. And then, if you need a sound, we have S. That's there. What are you doing? See, just living off. You just attached yourself.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's.

[Zaslow]

It's the power of being in the cool group because it's way up there. Hanging out with the fancy pants is like A and B, and so we look the other way. But C doesn't belong, has no business.

[Dan LeBatard]

I. Years ago, I was in Chicago to see Pearl Jam, believe it or not, and for Lollapalooza. And the Cubs were playing. The Cubs were at home, and I wanted to go see a Cubs game. I'd never been to Wrigley Field, and my pal Len Casper, former Marlins television guy back then, was the Cubs television guy. And I asked him, you know. You know, can you. Can you set me up with some seats? And so he left me seats for. For Wrigley Field. I went by myself to go see the Cubs play. And I get there nice and early. They're like box seats or, like, five rows behind home plate. And so I get there. I get to my seat early. I sit down. You know, the seats next to me are empty. The people who are occupying them are not here yet. And now, you know, walking out of the tunnel and just, like, you know, coming. Walking toward. Being shown their seats by, like, the security guard with a whole entourage as well, is the Reverend Jesse Jackson. And I go. I immediately see him. I go, oh, it's Jesse Jackson.

[Zaslow]

You know, rest in power.

[Dan LeBatard]

And he keeps walking closer and closer, like, oh, he's in my section. I'm like, that'd be funny if he's in my row. Sat immediately next to me.

[Zaslow]

No way.

[Roy]

Talk about the rainbow coalition.

[Dan LeBatard]

So the. The whole game, Jesse Jackson's right next to me watching the Cubs. And, like, his security guard, a big guy, obviously, was, like, throwing, you know, behind us. And, like, whoever else was. His family was next to him. Yeah, the whole game's Jesse Jackson.

[Zaslow]

Did you camp it with them at all?

[Dan LeBatard]

Maybe, like, a little bit, you know, no big. He said it was family or whatever. He's. He's Talking to them. But it was. Wow. They had the whole ballpark area sitting right next to me.

[Dave]

And that was at a Chicago Cubs game. Spelled S, H, I, K, A G, O, K, U, B, S. Right. That's how you spell Chicago Cubs and Dave Damask World.

[Zaslow]

No, my ideal. We just get rid of the C. Yeah. What. Maybe that's the. The shortcoming is that we do need to solve the C and H sound. We got to figure that because the S can't really handle that. I don't know what we're going to do about that. Zaz. That does remind me. Ballpark iconic one Dodger Stadium. I was there once, and the. Who sat directly in front of me. The. The heavyweight champ of the world one time he knocked out or he. He beat Muhammad Ali. Leon Spinks sat directly in front of me, and it gave me the opportunity. He stood up once to cheer something, and I shouted down in front the champ. It was. I was in heaven. I got. I got to shout that at a heavyweight champion. It was. It was one of the five best moments of my life.

[Trista]

I love baseball like the next man, but I think they should get rid of. When you strike somebody out, they put the K up. Because after three strikeouts, they get sticky up there.

[Dave]

Put it over the railing.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, you'd like one of those strikeouts to be looking, because then at least you get the backwards.

[Dave]

Yeah, that does help.

[Dan LeBatard]

That does help.

[Dave]

But I think maybe just the overall morality, maybe a warning to every fan who's doing this. Just like sort of like how they don't put the 13th floor of an elevator in some place. The third one, the fourth strikeout.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, yeah. Like when. When you get that third consecutive case swinging, you're, like, really rooting for the fourth one to come quick.

[Dave]

Do you know why they use K as the strikeout?

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't.

[Dave]

It's because the S was already taken. Sacrifice dam.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, but why do they use a K? That's why they didn't use an S.

[Dave]

Because I may look that part up because I just know what about.

[Trista]

So.

[Dave]

Because from the word struck. He chose the K from the word struck.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. All right.

[Zaslow]

I do think the letter Q. I. I do find the letter Q admirable. It's aspirational, like Q. When you think about it, you. You think it's like it hangs out with, like, W, X, Y, and Z. But look it up. It's. It's. When we weren't paying attention, it slid all the way up there past R, s, and T even. Like, it's It's. It's like. It kind of in the middle of the Alphabet. If it's ascent continues, watch yourself. See, it's going to be ABQ if you ain't careful with yourself.

[Dan LeBatard]

Roy, it is your time to shine. It is your moment. Now, can you tell us a little bit about Roy's video of the day?

[Roy]

I can't.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, Roy, this is his video of the day here. Let's see what he's got cooking for us.

[Dave]

This is. This is right up Rose Alley here.

[Dan LeBatard]

Roy, why don't you tell us what we got here?

[Dave]

We got what looks like. I'll take.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, go ahead, Chris, take. Yeah.

[Dave]

Toe wrestling instead of, like, thumb wrestling, like a thumb war. They're gonna do it with the big toes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, wow. Okay. All right, so there you go.

[Dave]

This is 1, 2, 3, 4.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, they interlock the toe. The big toes. And. Oh, my God, is it like submission? How do you. How do you win?

[Trista]

She got three chains on the shirt. I see that. Salute.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, well, there you go.

[Trista]

It's right up your alley.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, no feet guy. Good choice.

[Juju]

White woman's feet.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, she's.

[Dave]

She's doing a lot in the background there.

[Roy]

We just.

[Dave]

I think I just saw Donna Kelsey.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, who won this?

[Zaslow]

Were men doing it. I would. I would throw up. And I don't mean that figuratively. I would literally throw up all over the. The thing. It's why I can't watch mma. But women, you're into, but the bare feet. I'm not into that either, but she

[Dan LeBatard]

should turn her hat back. Chris is, like, over the top, you know, and that. That gives you, like, an edge.

[Trista]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so let's keep that. We'll keep that in the picture. In picture. For those who would like to continue seeing. Roy's enjoying Roy's video of the day. Excellent choice today, Roy. I had nothing to do with it. Give me your thoughts here before we get back to the football from last night. So I mentioned how you got the Houston rockets in the LA Lakers playing Game 3 tonight, and Jabari Smith. All right, now I want you to hear what Jabari Smith had to say about Kevin Durant's struggles. Kevin Durant missed Game 1. Durant then returned in Game 2. He had nine turnovers. And the Lakers specifically, have been great defensively this season against Kevin Drant. But you'll also remember, and this is why people are noticing this here on Kevin Durant's burner earlier this season. And we all know now, that, like, that was Kevin Durant's Burner. Okay. Because Durant has, like, not been tweeting at all this the way that he used to. Right. Since that whole episode, he hasn't been doing the back and forth with fans. But on that burner account, Durant had some really not nice things to say about Jabari Smith. Well, here's Jabari Smith. This is yesterday talking about Kevin Durant struggles then he's trying to stop him.

[Zaslow]

And the other guys got to be aggressive. We got to be aggressive out of it. We got to make the right reads out of it, make the right decisions. And. And it's on him to. To. To find ways to get himself involved in and get to his spots without

[Dan LeBatard]

the, you know, excluding double team, just

[Zaslow]

because, again, double team, we still need him to, you know, be kd.

[Trista]

So, you know, there's still ways around

[Roy]

it and we got some fixes to

[Zaslow]

it and we go, we're going to

[Dave]

be better next to games.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's interesting. A really young player talking about a legendary player that way.

[Trista]

Right. And if, you know, you know what Katie's burner called my boy, so that's on par.

[Dan LeBatard]

He didn't think he was very smart.

[Trista]

Yeah, right, right. But I think bigger than that doubt. In the year of our Lord 2026, Luke Canard is averaging 25 points this playoff series in 40 minutes. Like, this is the problem. Katie can be whoever he want to be if y' all don't get back on defense and guard LeBron, which makes him one of the best. This is what makes him the best because he's facilitating and making everybody shine better and brighter on his team as well as getting his. So I think they got bigger fish to fry, especially from a aging superstar who is clear injured right now. To expect more from him is kind of nuts.

[Zaslow]

I mean, if I were KD or Jabari Smith, I'd be embarrassed to not be able to beat the Lakers without Luca, too. I mean, but. But you're exactly right, juju. Luke Canard is this sort of undercovered element of the springtime here in this NBA season. It's amazing that. And by the way, the weird. Like we've talked about before, in a world of actual atrocious people, the ongoing resentment of LeBron James because he has an ego and maybe has a little bit of a chip on his shoulder is very weird. If he gets this series done and can bridge the gap into Luca and maybe they go on a run. This is one of the great chapters in LeBron's all time great career.

[Roy]

Hey, Roy. Buddy, you know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together in unison knows to stand up on their feet?

[Zaslow]

Oh, absolutely, Mike.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Roy]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, delicious.

[Roy]

It's the signal that says, we're not checking the time anymore, pal. It's when small talk turns into stories. Cuervo, man. It's that high five. A random stranger effect. That's right. The game is popping. You're hugging people you never met before. That's the kind of energy that Cuervo brings. It's so smooth, so delicious. That's the Cuervo effect. Keep it Cuervo.

[Dave]

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[Roy]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard.

[Juju]

Football,

[Dan LeBatard]

football, football,

[Juju]

Football.

[Roy]

Stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

Football. This is the Dan Levatar show with the st. You know what, that is an excellent segue here, juju, because Dan a few days ago claimed that this would something to the effect of that this would be LeBron's greatest achievement. Now, he also did say that after claiming that LeBron doesn't leave him in awe anymore. There's nothing he does that is awe inspiring at this point in his career. But juju here, okay, so let. Let Dan just say it himself. Here's what he was talking about.

[Dave]

And I'm saying, if he does this, if he wins this series, it's the

[Dan LeBatard]

most impressive thing he's done in his career. Okay? Most impressive thing he's done in his career. Juju, you took offense to this?

[Trista]

Yes. That's a great offense because my boy is slaying dragons all day. Excuse me, Chris Farda, y', all, but it made me come up with a top 10 things that LeBron has done greater than this since the pandemic.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay? Just since the pandemic.

[Trista]

Just since the pandemic.

[Dave]

10, usually top five, top 10.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so you're leaving out.

[Zaslow]

So juju, this even you're leaving out what is one of the more remarkable things any athlete's ever done, which is drag some of those Cavs roster.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's leaving, Dave. He's leaving out the first 16 years of LeBron's career.

[Zaslow]

Right? What John Elway did with those bum Broncos rosters in the 80s, LeBron did repeatedly with the Cleveland Cavs, Cavaliers. I'm sorry, Juju, back to you.

[Trista]

It's all good. Number 10, he reached more playoff wins, 186 than 21 NBA teams. Number nine, he was the main character in Space Jam. They don't just let anybody do that, right? Number eight, he won about with sciatica this year. Number seven, he reached 50,000 career points, man. Number six, he celebrated 12 years of marriage. That ain't easy, man. Number five, he became the NBA's all time leading scorer.

[Dave]

Pretty impressive.

[Trista]

Number four, excuse me, he and Steph Curry and the rest of the guys saved earth and won a gold medal in France. Number three, he. He won a championship and the Finals mvp.

[Zaslow]

Better than that only counts for half.

[Trista]

Number two, he's still never been arrested or involved in a rico.

[Dan LeBatard]

And number one, impressive.

[Trista]

The number one most impressive thing he's done is his son threw him an assist in an NBA game.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, and again, those are just since 2020.

[Juju]

His sperm on the floor with him.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, that's right.

[Zaslow]

Whoa.

[Dave]

Quite the visual.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know what? And now I'm going to. I'm going to piggyback Juju's top 10 there. I have a top five for you. You ready for this?

[Trista]

Oh, yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right. Top five playoff performers so far. That's right. This list can be fluid. We can update it next week if we want. I have top five NBA playoff performers so far.

[Dave]

Is this where you're getting to Rudy Gobert or.

[Dan LeBatard]

We'll see. No spoilers. All right. I don't do spoilers. Knows that about me. Everybody knows two things about me.

[Juju]

Not a cuck.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not a cuck. Don't give out spoilers. All right, you ready for this? Top five NBA playoff performers. Number five, V. J Edgecomb. The rookie had 30 points in a game two road playoff win at the Boston Celtics. That's so. I would imagine there are not very many rookies that scored 30 on the road in a playoff victory. Like a really. I would imagine it's a really rare list. Rookies who are capable of scoring 30 don't even usually make the playoffs because

[Zaslow]

they're on bum team. Right? They're. They're. They're the new big piece of bum teams who don't go to the playoffs. Exactly. Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'll bet that's a super, super short list. So number five, VJ Edgecomb. Number four, Jonathan Kaminga. He was all over the place last night for the home team, Atlanta Hawks. You know Kaminga. He's Steve Kerr. Steve Kerr couldn't. Couldn't find any minutes for Jonathan Kaminga. Jonathan Kamingo was the best player on the floor last night that beat the New York Knicks. And Steve Kerr looks at his bench and says, you know what? All these options are better than Kaminga. You're not going to play. And then you got Dunleavy. Who doesn't? Who says there's no market? Of course there's no market. 17 straight games. DNP coach's decision. And last night, Kaminga, in a starting role for Atlanta, he's number four. Number three, Rudy Gobert. I told you I was going to get to Rudy Gobert. Dave Damagek. Rudy Gobert. Look, you got to give him credit. He's very easy to make fun of. He started Covid. He's got a lot working against him, all right? And last night, he shut down Nikola Jokic. Jokic was 7 for 26 last night. Gobert was taking his lunch money all night long. Number three, Rudy Gobert. Number two, another Atlanta Hawk, CJ McCollum. It's been amazing this series. Games one, two, and three, it's been awesome. I mean, they. It's one thing that they got better because they got rid of Trey Young, but one of the guys they got in return for him has been their best player this series.

[Dave]

If you're a Knicks fan, it's got to be so annoying that, like, Trey Young giving you a reason to hate him is. Is fine because he's pretty hateable to watch and he, like, leans into it. But CJ McCollum is doing it in this, like, uber professional way. He's a sweet guy, everybody likes him, and then he's killing you. And it's the same franchise. It's got to be infuriating.

[Trista]

You know, a fun fact about them, too. Trey Young, CJ McCollum, same birthday.

[Dan LeBatard]

No.

[Trista]

Yep. Bad to use as.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, that's weird. And number one, top five playoff performers so far. LeBron James. James. And see, this is because. This is because I'm a very fair man. All right? If there's two things about me, everybody knows. One, I'm not a number two, I'm a very fair man. And LeBron James has definitely been the number one playoff performer so far. He's been incredible. I'm not going to say that it's his greatest accomplishment if they win a first round series, a first round series that they do have home court advantage in. All right? But nonetheless, the. The praise is going to be, like, pretty overwhelming if the Lakers winds up winning this series. LeBron's been the number one playoff performer. And there you have it. That's the top five playoff performers so far.

[Zaslow]

I love it. But that's looking in the rear view mirror. I turn now to use as and to Trista and the juju. Weigh in here. Anybody else, too?

[Dan LeBatard]

What will that look like?

[Zaslow]

Look into the crystal ball now, a fortnight from now, what will. What will that top five look like?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, I mean, give us.

[Zaslow]

Give us two weeks from today. What? That top five best NBA playoff performance.

[Dan LeBatard]

So two weeks from today, we'll be getting to, like, game four of the first round series, right?

[Juju]

Listen, we can't do this. Like, this list is fugazi. Whoa, Gazi. Find a way to backpedal.

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Juju]

Before I say who has been speciously left off this list that I feel like is direct slander, we need to just kind of call out Zaz for finding a way to somewhat backpedal. How many? It's just a way to be like, oh, well, you, you said the Lakers wouldn't win a game.

[Dan LeBatard]

And so that's right.

[Juju]

Of course LeBron has to be the top because it was something that counter, you know, dictated your take.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not being wrong on wrong is the worst thing you could do. I could admit that I was wrong about the Lakers.

[Juju]

I got to be fair, didn't admit it.

[Dan LeBatard]

I did admit. No, I didn't say I'm sorry. I'm not going to say I'm. So what would I be saying I'm sorry about?

[Zaslow]

He said he's a man of honor. And that's enough for me to say to go like that. I always live by one of. One of my codes. My creed in life is one I stole from Jerry Orbach, the late great at the end of Dirty Dancing. He says to the late great Patrick Swayze, when I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. And that's. I feel like what Zaz did.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can we just talk about that?

[Zaslow]

He's taking the task, but you're being taken to task by mid-70s Ali McGraw and those sunglasses. That's got to be intimidating.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dave, can we just talk about that about Jerry Orbach for a second here? He said he's no. When he's wrong, he's wrong. He was 1000% right in dirty Dancing. You got, you got a guy who looks like Patrick Swayze. He's got to be 30 something years old and he's doing Dirty dancing with like his 15 year old daughter. Jerry Orbach was right. He was right.

[Zaslow]

Why? Because. Oh, wait, wait, wait. This creepo putting his mitts all over my teenage daughter. Taught her to dance good. All is fine. Then he's doing what the hell

[Dan LeBatard]

To America juju. Put it on the poll. Was Jerry Orbach in Dirty Dancing? Right about, baby.

[Juju]

Back to the fugazi. Why is Scoot Henderson not on this list? Scoot Henderson, 31 points, 11 for 17 from the field, 5 for 9 from three, one steal, one block, only two turnovers. Had his best game of his career. They slayed the team that everybody thinks is up next, that they're the next Oklahoma City Thunder. And he was at the center of that. He was a key piece of the defense. He was that guy. You need to take Jonathan Kaminga off the list. That's just because we're surprised that he's doing this. If Scoot's not on this top five, I mean this is just a foo gazy list. Love the night. Reach for Zinn After Dark, a limited cocktail inspired series for those who get up when the sun goes down, try Zinn's Mojito Spiced Cider and Espresso Martini Nicotine Pouches. Find them at select retailers. Available while supplies last. Zinn after dark, Bring on the night. This product contains nicotine. Nicotine is an addictive chemical.

[Dave]

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[Dave]

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[Roy]

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[Dave]

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[Roy]

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[Dave]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard I've never stepped foot on that campus. I if you told me right now your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just, just, just take a picture.

[Roy]

Stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

I would die. I don't know where it is. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Dave]

We got to go back. Zaz is pissing off the white people. Dwark, what do you get wrong?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, you're talking about Dirty Dancing and Jerry Orbach saying, when I'm wrong, I say I'm wrong. He's not talking about Patrick, Patrick Swayze. When he says that. He's talking about the other guy that was banging his other daughter that got the other girl pregnant, that they had the whole abortion. You don't come at Zazlow about. Come on, guys, this is Dirty Dancing.

[Dave]

This is.

[Dan LeBatard]

Come on, work.

[Juju]

Let him beat it.

[Dave]

Because.

[Zaslow]

Because Zaslow is 100% right here. No, he's not right at all about who. He's not talking about Patrick Swayze. And they're talking about who put the baby and the lady and all of that. I get it. But that's a misdemeanor compared to like,

[Dan LeBatard]

think globally and act locally.

[Zaslow]

This is his daughter. His 15 year old little chair.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was the 60s. It was okay back then.

[Zaslow]

This creepo, this greaser in the leather jacket is such a greaser Daughter.

[Dan LeBatard]

Such a greaser.

[Zaslow]

The hockey show later today.

[Juju]

Wait, did you call me? I. I totally didn't even realize. Did you call me mid-70s Ally McGraw in my glass?

[Zaslow]

I did, I did. Yeah, I did. That's a compliment, though.

[Dan LeBatard]

Fighting words, fighting words.

[Zaslow]

She was married to McQueen. What are you talking about? What's cooler than that? I wish I had been married to Steve McQueen, even for a little.

[Dave]

Put it on the poll. Do you wish you had been married to Steve McQueen?

[Zaslow]

But Trista, actually, I think he was maybe a little. Yeah, he maybe wasn't a great guy some of the time, but either way, Trista. To try to make things right. Even though that was intended as a compliment. Go ahead. Two weeks from today, who's number one on that list? Best playoff performer in these NBA playoffs.

[Dan LeBatard]

So two weeks from today, we're probably late in this. In the. Late in the second round. We be in the late in the second round. Does that sound accurate?

[Zaslow]

Yeah, yeah, yeah, for sure.

[Juju]

I'm gonna go ahead and say Shay gel just Alexander will be on that list. I'm gonna go ahead and say maybe Damian Lillard's on that list.

[Dan LeBatard]

Get out of here.

[Trista]

Stay off the weed, sis.

[Dave]

We're getting a lot of homer accusations. You might be more blazer pilled than I'm heat pilled, scoothead.

[Dan LeBatard]

Damian Lillard.

[Zaslow]

Now, now, Dan will be proven correct if even two weeks from today, forget about getting to the finals or anything else. If LeBron still. If there's a good case to be made that he's number one on the list. Still two weeks from today. Now Dan LeBatard's onto something. This might be the greatest chapter in LeBron's career.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'll tell you what. So last night, the. The Wolves beat the Nuggets. They go up two games to one. Wolves, Nuggets. Like Jada McDaniels again after the game, just talking all kinds of crap about the Nuggets. I love it because it reminds me of what the NBA playoffs were like when I was growing up, where these teams all hated each other instead of kissing and hugging all the time. I love when they're hating each other, like Jada McDaniels. But after game two and then after game three, just talking about how, you know, that team, they bring out the best in us. We don't like them. We don't like the jerseys, all that stuff. This is a sneaky. Although maybe not so sneaky anymore, Dave. Sneaky. Great rivalry, the Nuggets and Wolves. And it's weird because, I don't know, it was like, a few years ago, this robbery. Like, no one would have said Nuggets, Wolves, who gives a shit?

[Zaslow]

Serendipity that you would bring this up. Zaz, who. Who could have seen this coming? Yes, we talk about this on football America today. Rivalries. The best rivalries that didn't exist 20 years ago. If there are two things anybody knows about Jonathan Zaslow, it's that he's not a cuck, and he loves his rivalries. Now, most rivalries started before we walked the big blue marble, but there are some good ones. Like I say, like Heat and Knickerbockers is even too old for this list. That's more like, you know, 35ish years old. But yes, Nugs and T. Wolves is way up on the list. And down in Florida in the Sunshine State, if people are still watching hockey, you've got one of. One of the probably three best of the 21st century. Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm being told here, Dave, that this is a reheated turf turd from football America, even though I like this topic. Is this a reheated turd?

[Zaslow]

It is. See if you can figure out what the best one is. What's. What is the best rivalry that didn't exist 20 years ago?

[Dave]

He did. Rivalry.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is it football?

[Zaslow]

I think yes. Although there's a pretty good one. A. It's either NFL or us or. No, it's something that is not common to. Well, it's obviously. It's the Olympics. It's One is the Olympics, one is NFL.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. All right, so let's do NFL. All right, so best rivalry in the NFL right now. That Wasn't a thing. What are we. How many years ago?

[Zaslow]

We're talking about 20 years ago.

[Dan LeBatard]

20 years ago.

[Zaslow]

Oh literally non existent. Nobody. I mean nobody else. Bill's chief. These two teams are hooking up once again. That's a great one. I feel like that's more like a three headed thing. Lamar and Josh Allen and Patrick Mahomes. It is. It's the Seahawks and Niners. We've been living in it for so long that I think you just assume it's a part of. Of the last half century. But they. They barely had even played each other.

[Roy]

The conference switch.

[Zaslow]

Yeah. Right. It's because the Seattle Seahawks. Right. When the Houston Texans.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. Well in like. Yeah. The Seahawks switch conference early 2000. Right.

[Zaslow]

2002 they switch over to accommodate them. And that's a fun what if to play too is who else could they have moved besides the Seattle Seahawks? But the other big one up there, Roy is Canada versus the US and hockey. It is replaced. Can't. Is replaced. The US and the Soviet Union in hockey and basketball.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Trista]

Knicks Hawks. You feel me? Definitely a rivalry.

[Dave]

Heat.

[Trista]

Knicks. I think could be.

[Dan LeBatard]

It started in 97.

[Dave]

More heat.

[Dan LeBatard]

Celtics.

[Dave]

Honestly. Titans, Jags on Thursday Night Football.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, that's a question.

[Trista]

Oh yeah. Texans.

[Dan LeBatard]

Colts. By the way, speaking of the Seahawks, the last Miami Dolphins road playoff win. Seattle Seahawks. That's right. Both teams AFC back then the old kingdom crap.

[Zaslow]

That. That's the. Wait a second. I think I knew this somewhere intellectually, but I don't think I really absorbed it the last time the Dolphins won a playoff game.

[Dan LeBatard]

Road playoff. Road Road.

[Zaslow]

Road playoff. Oh, right, right, right. Because I do remember the one the Colts game.

[Dave]

Lamar Smith ran for like 500 yards.

[Zaslow]

Lamar Smith. I was just about to say.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, who 500 yards.

[Trista]

Women's basketball road one.

[Zaslow]

Yeah. Okay. Okay.

[Trista]

All right. Yeah. Well. South Carolina versus Yukon. Now big smoke.

[Zaslow]

Cullen Bryant had a big game for the Seahawks against the Dolphins. If memory serves.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was. It was Marino's last playoff victory. The very next week he lost 62 to 7 at the Jaguars.

[Zaslow]

All against Warren Moon. Right?

[Dan LeBatard]

No. Kitna.

[Zaslow]

All right. I don't know anything. I'm talking about. Just fill in all the blanks. So. So wait. Kitna defeated. So Marino vanquished Kitna.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Zaslow]

And then got housed on his way out the door.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's right. That's right. Now you know everything. Yep.

[Zaslow]

People don't talk nearly. And I mean people obsess over that. The Cowboys, America's alleged team doesn't make any hay in the Playoffs anymore. But man, like we've discussed before, and I'll say again, the Dolphins, the signature franchise, not just in pro football, but really an iconic brand in, in these United States. Yeah, being so irrelevant for so long is real weird.

[Trista]

Speaking of the Cowboys bit, bro, what do you make of them franchising George Pickens and not deciding to trade them last night? Is he gonna be on the move or is this like a prove it deal? Because he's known to be like a hothead and this could be one of the situations that, oh, he ain't getting his money, he gonna pout. So maybe if he don't pout this year, maybe it can set him up for a big payday next year. Is that the thinking or what do you think about that, bro?

[Zaslow]

Well, it's funny that the Steelers traded him away because. Because the former coach Mike Tomlin, his greatest virtue allegedly was being able to deal with any personality, getting any personality in line on Sundays to be his best version of himself playing football. But they couldn't handle them, so they traded him to Dallas. Even though they didn't have a second wide receiver. They traded for DK Metcalf and then immediately shipped out George Pickens, which was senseless in a contract year. And that's the important detail. Juju is that George Pickens, as I said one year ago around this time, whatever his behavior issues are, that he, that he gets immature, sometimes somebody around him, if not the man in the mirror, his agent or his family, would get in George Pickens ear and say one good season, one good season of behavior, set you up for the next hundred years. You and your family will be rich people for the next century if you just put out one good season. And so he did. But now the belly aching and everything else, I don't know, I wouldn't want to be the Cowboys right now. That's a tough spot because as soon as you sign him to a long term deal, there is a decent chance that, that he does revert to I want the ball, I want the ball, I want the ball. That's not a great thing on the same team as CD Lamb. I think you, you let him do what I advocated the Steelers to do, which is tag him and then let him go about his business for the rest of his life after this season.

[Dan LeBatard]

Such a funny way to look at it. Can you behave for one year? Your rest of your life is going to be so good. If you could behave for one year, someone would say that to me, I'll

[Roy]

be here for one year.

[Trista]

I'd be awesome.

[Dan LeBatard]

Be awesome, right. But last night, before the draft began, they tried to sweep it under the rug with the 12:30am News dump the night before. Mike Vrabel then had to come out and have another press conference just minutes before the draft. I, I, I do want to play this clip from the draft last night. Mike Greenberg kind of grilled Roger Goodell, like, you know, so Diana Rossini obviously lost her job. She resigned. All right, and what kind of punishment, if any, could there be for Mike Vrabel? And you could say, hey, like, why would he be punished? You know? Well, apparently, like the NFL does have a policy where it's like a conduct detrimental policy that could fall under the league's, you know, conduct rules and he could be in trouble. So here is a full on explanation from Roger Goodell last night when I

[Zaslow]

ask you about the situation with Mike

[Dan LeBatard]

Vrabel and the Patriots.

[Zaslow]

He has announced that he will not be with the team on Saturday. He'll be instead with his family and plans to seek counseling. The league have suggested this is not a violation of the personal conduct policy.

[Dan LeBatard]

I want to make sure that I'm

[Zaslow]

getting that exactly right. So as of this point, based upon what you know, right now, this does not feel like a situation for the league to become.

[Roy]

No, this is not a personal conduct policy as we know of today. It's a personal matter and we'll leave it at that.

[Zaslow]

Is that the kind of thing that

[Dan LeBatard]

typically you would talk with the team about?

[Zaslow]

If the Patriots seem to be handling that, I think a lot of fans

[Dan LeBatard]

would wonder what, if any, role the NFL would have?

[Roy]

I think, I think the teams handle

[Zaslow]

these matters when they're personal matters and they handle it, they have a lot more information that can benefit everyone involved.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not sure anyone would have have a problem with what he said there. It feels like it's a team thing. Like, is the team upset that he's, you know, potentially leaking information to reporters like that? That's a team thing. Like the NFL doesn't care if you're giving away team secrets to reporters. Maybe the team does. So, I mean, Dave, any objection to what the commissioner.

[Zaslow]

Oh, I did. I disagree with you as a matter, as a matter of fact. By the way, who does counseling on a Saturday? Who. That immediately is weird.

[Trista]

Maybe it's people who don't go to Kosley.

[Zaslow]

Yeah, yeah, right, exactly. I disagree. I think this is transcended the Patriots. I mean, this would seem to go back, you know, five or six years at this point. And if that's the case, then what information did Mike Vrabel get from. From an insider? Right. I mean, I, I don't think it's as simple as. It's a moral issue for a head coach, what he does when he's not at the facility. I got that explanation a week ago. If it was an ongoing relationship. What, they didn't have conversations. They didn't, they didn't talk about what else is going down in the, in the NFL? Come on.

[Dan LeBatard]

But is that not okay? Like, let's say the reporter in this case, Diana Rossini, was giving the head coach of the Titans or Patriots information. Is. Is that not okay?

[Zaslow]

You know, it seems like at least the. It feels like that you would be able to provide a little extra. Right? Yeah. You would be a little more motivated to share every detail instead of like, I know I got a bunch of little secrets about pro football going on right now. You might leave out one of those. You wouldn't, you wouldn't hide them. You wouldn't hide anything. Right?

[Dan LeBatard]

Right. But I guess what I'm saying is that's that right there. That scenario to me sounds like a coach who is really smart and he's fostering a relationship not necessarily as detailed as this one might be, but having good relationships with reporters. So much so that reporters are going to give you information about other teams. Like that may be like, you may think the reporters being shady and providing that kind of information, but I'm not sure how that's like conduct detrimental. Right.

[Zaslow]

I guess I would feel a certain way if I was talking to an insider. You know, I guess that's the whole thing about gossiping about people behind their back. You. You think you can do it about everybody, but they're not doing it to you kind of thing. But this has a professional element to it with multi. Millions of dollars on the line with all that. And I think I probably wouldn't be happy if I had spoken to a insider, a newsbreaker, and somehow I felt like that information got passed on to Mike Rabel. Sure, I'd be upset by that.

[Dave]

What we didn't talk about in all of this is that badlands was the 21st song played out of 27. I mean, the lyrics in that Poor

[Trista]

man wanna be rich, rich man wanna be king, and the king ain't satisfied

[Dave]

till he rules everything. That was an awkward transition.

[Roy]

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