Hour 2: Jon Gruden Is Feelin Nicey (Feat. The Underdogs)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Hour 2: Jon Gruden Is Feelin Nicey (Feat. The Underdogs)
Release Date: December 12, 2024

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Introduction to The Underdogs Podcast

In this episode, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz welcome Jordan Brenner and Peter Keating, the minds behind the Underdogs Podcast on the DraftKings Network. Chris Cote initiates the conversation by praising their analytical approach to sports betting, highlighting their obsession with statistical trends.

Chris Cote [01:43]: "They dive deep into the numbers in a way that makes me a bit crazy because they're looking for winning in all sorts of margins."

Betting Strategies and Underdog Insights

The Underdogs delve into the complexities of underdog betting, discussing the viability of placing futures bets on teams like the Bengals and Dolphins. They emphasize the importance of distinguishing between luck and talent, advocating for bets on teams that outperform their underlying statistics rather than relying on temporary fortune.

Peter Keating [03:05]: "Teams that fail to live up to their underlying stats usually do a lot better, and vice versa. Talent wins out over the long term."

NFL Team Analysis

A significant portion of the discussion centers around NFL teams' postseason prospects. The Underdogs critique Mike Ryan's futures bets on the 49ers and Rams, arguing that the likelihood of these teams making the playoffs is slim. They also compare the Kansas City Chiefs and Detroit Lions, analyzing their point differentials and season records to assess their sustainability as top contenders.

Peter Keating [08:03]: "The Chiefs have outscored teams by 56 points and are 12-1. The Lions have outscored teams by 183 points and are also 12-1. These two things are not equal."

College Football Insights

The conversation shifts to college football, where the Underdogs express confidence in ACC teams like SMU over traditionally stronger programs like Clemson. They discuss the unpredictability and high-risk, high-reward strategies that make certain college teams attractive for betting.

Jordan Brenner [09:26]: "We're looking at teams like SMU because of their unpredictable outcome style of play, which gives them a puncher's chance against superior opponents."

Bowl Games Betting Perspectives

Addressing the bowl season, the Underdogs remain skeptical about betting on these games, labeling them as "glorified exhibitions." They point out the variability in team performances due to recent changes and diminished incentives to win.

Peter Keating [13:03]: "I do not bet on college football bowl games, which I look at as basically glorified exhibitions at this point."

Pop Culture Discussions: Trey Young and In-Season Tournament

The hosts discuss Trey Young's performance in the NBA's in-season tournament, highlighting his theatrical antics and the entertainment value he brings to games. They analyze his actions as part of a broader trend of athletes enhancing their personal brands through charismatic displays.

Chris Cote [24:01]: "Trey Young introduces himself back to Madison Square Garden and America with a spectacle that was worth watching from start to finish."

Film Criticism: Francis Ford Coppola’s "Megalopolis"

Shifting to pop culture, the panel critiques Francis Ford Coppola's latest film, "Megalopolis." They express disappointment over the movie's reception, questioning Coppola's decision to self-fund a project that has been poorly received by audiences and critics alike.

David Sampson [29:16]: "It's a bad movie. This is bad. Final act. This is genius. This is one of the best bad movies I've ever seen because it's so audacious, so ambitious."

Jon Gruden’s Resurgence and the "Inside-Out Polo" Incident

A humorous segment focuses on Jon Gruden's return to the spotlight through Barstool Sports. The hosts dissect a still image of Gruden wearing a polo shirt inside out, speculating comically about the circumstances that led to this wardrobe malfunction.

Dan Le Batard [41:38]: "Maybe he's just an idiot."

Chris Cote [41:50]: "What would indicate to you that our great champion here would be an idiot throwing on a shirt from the laundry that he got inside out because he's probably been a frat boy for 40 years."

They playfully debate whether the mishap was intentional or a result of haste, intertwining their discussion with lighthearted banter about Gruden's persona and media presence.

Conclusion and Final Thoughts

The episode wraps up with the hosts reiterating the strengths of the Underdogs Podcast, emphasizing their data-driven approach to sports betting. They encourage listeners to engage with the Underdogs for insightful analysis and continually evolving strategies.

Chris Cote [16:23]: "All the best information kept to themselves. These guys actually give you very good numerical logic. It feels almost empirical. What they're doing. They're finding value in mining a bunch of numbers for gold."

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Notable Quotes with Timestamps:

• Chris Cote [01:43]: Discussing the Underdogs' analytic approach.
• Peter Keating [03:05]: On distinguishing luck from talent in betting.
• Peter Keating [08:03]: Comparing Chiefs and Lions' performance metrics.
• Jordan Brenner [09:26]: Highlighting SMU's unpredictable playstyle.
• Peter Keating [13:03]: On the futility of betting on bowl games.
• Chris Cote [24:01]: Praising Trey Young's in-season tournament antics.
• David Sampson [29:16]: Criticizing "Megalopolis" as an ambitious yet flawed project.
• Dan Le Batard [41:38]: Mocking Jon Gruden's fashion choice.
• Chris Cote [41:50]: Elaborating on the humor behind Gruden's attire.

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This episode offers a blend of in-depth sports analysis, betting strategies, and engaging banter on pop culture, making it a valuable listen for both avid sports enthusiasts and casual fans seeking informed perspectives.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cote]

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[David Sampson]

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[Unknown]

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[David Sampson]

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[Chris Cote]

I love that you guys are onboarding this way. Jordan Brenner and Peter Keating are joining us. It's the Underdogs podcast. Some of it's sideways. The rest of it is straight up. They give you underdogs wherever it is that you get your betting information. It's not as good as these guys. They do all the math. They're not great at zoom, but math. IPhone's a problem. Zoom's not great, but Jordan Brenner, keep it like that. No, please. I prefer. Yeah, it's better.

[Peter Keating]

Keep it sideways.

[Chris Cote]

I don't know. I don't know which one is under, which one is dog. I do know that one of them is.

[David Sampson]

Can you both be sideways?

[Jordan Brenner]

Jordan, can you go sideways?

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. Can you?

[Unknown]

I've been trying to get Peter turned around for a long time, so I'm really excited that this is happening.

[Chris Cote]

All right, now I will tell everybody who's listening to this that if you listen to God bless football, Billy Gill is 41 and 17 and it's an amazing betting streak here, but these guys are really good at it. They host the Underdogs podcast on the DraftKings network and they are diving deep into the numbers in a way that makes me a bit crazy because they're looking for winning in all sorts of margins. And it sort of makes me uncomfortable how obsessive they have to be about looking for even the smallest trends. But you guys are in the information business. And so, Jordan, I will ask you, headed into this postseason, Mike Ryan is making a ton of futures bets on 49ers Rams, and he's just looking at the Bengals and saying one of these teams can get hot and beat everybody. Do you either of you like that as a value proposition? On an underdog bet?

[Unknown]

No, because to win in the postseason, first you have to get into the postseason. And the odds of any of those teams even playing a playoff game are so low that I would rather light $100 bills on fire.

[Chris Cote]

Okay, so, Mike, you thought you had something there.

[David Sampson]

And one of them to get hot. One of them will get hot.

[Peter Keating]

Mike.

[Unknown]

The Bengals are 5 and 8. They're 5 and 8.

[David Sampson]

They're still alive. They're still alive. A lot of one score, unlucky situations there for this team.

[Unknown]

If you want to talk about unlucky teams, your Dolphins are a better bet.

[David Sampson]

Really? Well, they're not my. They're not my Dolphins, but I guess there's a lot of positive vibes over here for the Miami Dolphins, and maybe you can get into that, because I like them to possibly lose to The San Francisco 49ers in the Super Bowl, Peter.

[Unknown]

Well, I'll tell you what. If it's Dolphins, Bengal Dolphins, 49ers in the Super Bowl, I will fly you there and feed you.

[Chris Cote]

That's all you'll do sideways. Peter, it seems like Jordan is really hogging the ball right now. You're trying to get in here, but he won't let you in.

[Peter Keating]

Look, you're right about us being obsessive. I'm so obsessed that I don't even worry about technology. All I care about is underdog bets. Look, yes, the Bengals are likely to get hot next year. I mean, one of the things we talk about a lot is teams that are fortunate and unfortunate. And yeah, the Bengals have had terrible luck, but the clock has run out on them. I mean, come on. Yes, the Bengals are a great bet to rebound next year because teams that. That. That fail to live up their record, fails to live up to their underlying stats, usually do a lot better, and vice versa. The worst thing a team can do, or its fans or it's people betting on it, is take a team that's fortunate or lucky and assume that that's going to last. It doesn't last. Stupidest thing people say in life, in sports is, I'd rather be lucky than good. Really? No, you wouldn't. I mean, luck is by definition a surprise. It doesn't sustain, it doesn't last. It's ephemeral. Talent wins out over the long term. So if you find underdogs that are better than they look, those are the ones to bet on. Dolphins are a good example. The Bengals would be a good example, but they just lost too many unfortunate games for too long.

[Chris Cote]

Do me a Favor, please. Put him upside down. Put Peter Keating upside down so I can enjoy all of his analysis. Upside down. Jordan Brenner, I want to talk to him the normal way, straight up. And I want to bounce between the two of you. Are you believing in the Vikings?

[Unknown]

Oh, great. So that's a great point and it speaks to what we were saying about luck. So two years ago they won an incredible number of one score games. It was unsustainable. And we said going into the playoffs they're a ripe chance for an upset. They lose to the Giants, by the way. Giants speak to what Peter's saying about don't confuse lucky with good. We see where they are after assuming, oh, we're a little further ahead in the rebuild than we thought. But last year, this year we said, okay, the Vikings, they didn't regress to the mean last year they regressed way past the mean. So they were actually one of our pre season over picks. I'll let Peter explain why, but yes, we believe in them.

[Peter Keating]

Look, they were outscored by only 18 points last year, but they were 7 and 10. Also we talked about luck can also talk about things that under, great underdogs have in common is they play high risk, high reward. They take a lot of chances for benefits. They take crazy shots. We started, you know, take crazy, you know, puncher's chance. You know, when you hear about somebody with a puncher's chance. The reason Mike Tyson saw anyone thought Mike Tyson had a chance of winning at the age of 58 in his last fight, because he could still kill somebody with one punch. You can kill somebody one punch, you're going to be a good underdog. A version of that crazy chance taking is if you lose your quarterback but you have somebody who might really be good, that's an underdog to keep an eye on. That's something that happened with the Vikings. Look, there's all kinds of luck teams bounce back from. I mean the Dolphins, when the Dolphins were two and six and all the rest of these crafted teams had two wins, we said keep an eye on them. It wasn't just right, it wasn't just up that they were upside down like me. It was that, it was, it was that they had bad injury luck. Teams were beating them on 60 yard field goals. Their pressures weren't turning into sacks. They were due to bounce back in all kinds of ways.

[Chris Cote]

Look, these guys have chemistry. You should listen to underdogs on the DraftKings network. They do have chemistry. I don't know how long you guys have been working together. But I don't think that Peter can be made happier by anything in the present media sphere than you giving serious analysis upside down. He is radiant right now watching you give your serious underdog analysis while. Look at him. Look at, look at him.

[Peter Keating]

Well, that's because when I nod, what he likes is when I nod yes or no. And it doesn't matter if you're upside down if all I am is his yes. Man, if I'm nodding, it still looks like I'm saying yes even if I'm pointed the wrong way.

[Unknown]

Dan, the answer for how long we've been working together is to when. Remember that little cartoon drawing of you and ESPN the Magazine? That's how long we've been working together. It's too long, is the answer.

[David Sampson]

What's interesting in the upside down background? We keep spinning it around and it just makes the framed picture of Odell Beckham Jr. S catch look more routine than it actually was.

[Peter Keating]

There it is. One handed for you. There it is.

[Jordan Brenner]

This upside down interview is presented by Masterclass. Learn from the best to become your best.

[Chris Cote]

You guys dive deep into the numbers. So the Kansas City Chiefs are what kind of mirage? Oh, come on.

[Peter Keating]

It's not an install to Patrick Mahomes or Travis Kelce to point out that they win by like six tenths of a point per game. I mean, Dan, you, you know this, you talk about this. How people search for meaning in everything in life and have to attribute things to people, to players, characters, or there has to be a reason to be a reason. They're lucky. They've won a bunch of games by close margins, okay, but that's just not going to last. They're likely to get hit in the face pretty bad by a really good team in the playoffs. I mean, that's my opinion.

[Unknown]

We have to stop saying, well, they're clutch or we have to stop saying there's a conspiracy to make them win. What they're doing is not sustainable. I agree. Look, they've outscored teams by 56 points and they're 12 and 1. The Detroit Lions have outscored teams by 183 points and they're 12 and 1. Those two things are not equal. And yeah, if you're looking for an underdog shot in the playoffs, maybe pick against the Chiefs in their first game. I'm with you.

12 and 1 and 12 and 1 are exactly equal.

That's. That sounds like some Miami Marlins logic there, David. Come on.

[David Sampson]

Feels like a pot shot. All right, One of my agendas on this show has been the entire college football season saying the the ACC is underrated. And I look at these lines in the College Football Playoff and I see some value there. And is this just confirmation that the ACC is not that good, or can there be some winning here with these ACC teams?

[Unknown]

We like SMU as a feisty underdog more than Clemson for a variety of reasons, but largely starting with sort of the unpredictable outcome style of play. Look, we've been studying. We cut our teeth on college basketball upsets, right? And like Peter mentioned, one of the things you look for is teams that are have bouncy results, that play high risk, high reward strategies that don't do conventional things. And we're seeing some of that in smu, right? Peter.

[David Sampson]

Peter.

[Unknown]

He's gone upside down.

[Jordan Brenner]

Peter.

[Unknown]

I finally got rid of him.

[Chris Cote]

Okay, Jordan, can you help me?

[David Sampson]

Look, can you go upside down?

[Chris Cote]

This makes David Sampson a little bit crazy. Okay? And you, you help me walk David Sampson through this, because he's a much about order, about being on time and everything else. For your friend to arrive here upside down and then disconnect because he doesn't know how to use his technology is making David Sampson a little bit crazy.

[Unknown]

See, it's making me incredibly happy because when he can't figure out and I call him grandpa, when various technology things are happening, like now, it's happening on the big stage, and I'm sharing all my frustration on a weekly basis with you guys. You have no idea the joy this is bringing me right now.

I did their show and he couldn't even show up. I had to do it alone because.

Wait, you did their show alone?

Yes, because with me, there was a technology issue.

Like, me, I like him just doing underdogs. Hey, it's David Sampson. It's underdog.

[Chris Cote]

It's so great. I want this to become the biggest gambling podcast in America with somebody giving you great information. They just don't know how to do it right side up.

[Unknown]

They keep it to themselves.

[Chris Cote]

All the underdogs, all the best information kept to themselves. These guys actually give you very good numerical logic. It feels almost empirical. What they're doing. They're finding value in mining a bunch of numbers for gold. So I don't know if you're doing basketball. You mentioned SMU as an underdog. What is the greatest value in sports this week? What are some of the places you go?

[Unknown]

Well, if I had Peter showing up right side up.

[Jordan Brenner]

He's ready.

[Unknown]

Go ahead. And now, man, look, I think you mentioned the College Football Playoff. What's interesting is all those spreads are a touchdown or more, right? So you're getting value in any of them. The problem is the way the system is set up right now. It is not exactly good to be an underdog right now. We're seeing this incredible lack of balance between the conferences and it's just setting us up to a situation where I don't really like any of the four teams, but we always say in the NCAA tournament, if you like the 12 seed to beat the 5 seed, we'll take him to beat the 4 in the next round too. So you've got this situation now where a team like smu, if they win their first game, well then, okay, might as well take them to be Boise State, right? And suddenly they're in the semifinals. So there's your value taking them. I can't even look at this straight.

[David Sampson]

But I can't tell if he's upset because his frown is upside down.

[Chris Cote]

Jessica, you say that bowl season starts Saturday. Surely you want some gam stealing advice from these men.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, I, if I needed it, which I don't, but hypothetically, if I needed it because I wasn't already a bowl season expert. Dan. What, what do you make of trying to put bets on bowl season when there are dozens of opt outs of every game, coaches changing minute by minute and sort of like the, the incentive to winning the games has slightly diminished since the playoffs started.

[Unknown]

Yeah. Look, I'm not a tout and we're not specifically a gambling show. Right. We talk about why unlikely things happen in sports. Gambling is a piece of that. I do not bet on call for every reason you just said. Jessica. I do not bet on college football bowl games, which I look is basically glorified exhibitions at this point. So no. Will I bet on the Tony Awards? Perhaps, but not that.

[Chris Cote]

Are you guys doing the Oscar show? You and Adnan Verk? Are you doing the Oscars show again?

[Unknown]

It's under negotiation.

[Chris Cote]

Okay.

[David Sampson]

Jordan Brenner and my favorite things when you try to do that on the.

[Chris Cote]

Air, naturally, Jordan Brenner and Peter Keating are the underdogs and David Sampson is in negotiations with Adnan Verk. We are.

[David Sampson]

We are going to do it. There. There, I said it.

[Chris Cote]

Thank you.

[David Sampson]

We're doing it.

[Dan Le Batard]

When you said Tony Awards, I almost looked at Tony and was like, we.

[Unknown]

Are doing a Tony show live for the Tony Awards. Yeah, we could do that.

[Chris Cote]

You should do a Tony Award. You should do the Tony Awards and then just make it different. Ridiculous.

[David Sampson]

This isn't about us though. This is about the underdog game.

[Unknown]

It was fantastic.

[Dan Le Batard]

Give me one bowl game that I.

[Unknown]

Can bet on, just one bet on the playoff games. I'm not literally. I have not looked at the ball schedule.

[Dan Le Batard]

Celebration Bowl, Jackson State.

[Unknown]

Less I know Duke's playing Ole Miss. That's about it.

Best gambling show in the country here.

[Chris Cote]

Is right side up. Peter, it's not a gambling show. They're just good at diving into the numbers and giving you the underdogs they have. Jordan, what would you say is the greatest example of you guys knowing what you do? If I'm sitting here selling to people that you guys are good at this, that you've been mining numbers for 20 years, that you're looking for advantages in the smallest of margins, how would you two go about proving to people that you're good at this?

[Unknown]

Well, there's this little thing called March Madness that we've been doing for 20 years at ESPN. It was called Giant Killers. Now we do it on our show and at the Athletic as bracket breakers. And we have found trends in upsets and NCAA tournament games that have lasted the test of time. Okay, did you like Oakland over Kentucky last year? Because we nailed that. Fifteens over twos, twelves over fives. We've been getting those for a year because we found patterns in the type of teams that come up with upsets and the type of teams that are vulnerable. We're looking at you, Purdue, Virginia. Styles of play matter, strategies matter. And it's been fun. We got to talk about. We did a panel on this. It at. At Sloan once. It was. It was fun. We talked about with underdogs from a variety of fields and the lessons we learned in college basketball. Again, big crazy math things like 3 points is worth more than 2 points, and taking the ball away from your opponent actually matters because they don't get a shot up. But those lessons really, really hold true when you talk to people in a variety of sports. Again, doing something that is unconventional gives you a puncher's chance against a superior opponent. And find your example. It's there.

[Chris Cote]

Peter. He's muted.

[David Sampson]

Peter.

[Unknown]

Guys, this is how we plan to sell our show. I just want you to know that, Peter.

[David Sampson]

You'Re muted. All right.

[Chris Cote]

Perfect. All right, guys. Thank you. That is Underdogs. It is the Underdogs podcast. It is right here on the DraftKings network.

[Unknown]

But on our own show, we have audio and right side up picture, so you'll have to tune in to find it.

[Chris Cote]

Peter, your answer seemed like it was so good. If it hadn't been muted. What would it have sounded like?

[Peter Keating]

I was gonna say, we've been around so long. Our original role models were Statler and Waldorf from the Muppet Show. You know, the guys.

[Chris Cote]

Guys, see you later. We were done with you. See you later.

[David Sampson]

I like their rods with an iPhone better than yours.

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[David Sampson]

I care more about Matthew Tkachuk than I do my daughter. This is the Dan Levatar show with The Stugats.

[Jordan Brenner]

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[Unknown]

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[Chris Cote]

Why did, why did you make it polish or Russian? What did what. Why did you just add the ski? Why did you add a ski there?

[Unknown]

No, it's just what we do.

[David Sampson]

Why do you see he's on it when he does it? Juju does that all the time.

[Chris Cote]

A four team parlay. Well, because these are hard to. These are hard to convert and very difficult. Go ahead.

[David Sampson]

I'm saying for this show, impossible.

[Chris Cote]

Well, what did you. You last week you had Laporta. I love betting tight end. So you just bet Laporta in two legs of the parlay. You got that?

[David Sampson]

We got three of the four legs which we do routine just like we.

[Unknown]

Did a couple times ago with the.

[David Sampson]

If you want to bet the single, you're doing all right. That's not what we're doing first.

[Chris Cote]

All four of them.

[Unknown]

Where we do first leg, squeaky wheel situation going on right now. Deebo Samuel over four and a half reception. Squeaky wheel. What does it do, Dan?

[Chris Cote]

It gets the.

[Unknown]

Ah, gets the grease passes. Yep, that's right.

All right.

No squeaky wheel needed for the second leg of the parlay. Puka Nakua over seven and a half receptions.

[David Sampson]

He's good.

[Chris Cote]

Man, is he good.

[Unknown]

It looks like he's like running in slow motion, but then he's always open.

[Chris Cote]

Where were he and Cooper cup drafted? Like what were their prospects in terms of making the measurements? Because I really don't understand how that team has been able to go straight from Cooper Cup's going to get the 2,000 yard season to Puka's going to be just as the same kind of unstoppable. I don't understand it.

[David Sampson]

Famously low third leg of the Parliament.

[Unknown]

I'm going to get for. Get that for you in a second third leg of the parlay. We're going over the basketball side of things. Toronto Raptors versus your Miami Heat today. Over nine and a half points for scary Terry.

[David Sampson]

Oh, that is dangerous.

[Unknown]

That's tough.

[Chris Cote]

He's going to be traded. He's going to be traded.

[David Sampson]

Did you see him fighting with Pam over the rebound? Because he was one rebound short. Oh, Cooper cup, not that low. Third round.

[Unknown]

No. BYU star Pukinakua, fifth round, 177th pick.

[Chris Cote]

How's that punishment possible?

[Unknown]

Good scouting over there?

[Chris Cote]

No. Well, is it, is it good scouting or is it that the Rams know some things about.

[Unknown]

Missed him four times.

[Chris Cote]

About a system that. That might explain how it is that those guys work well with their guy.

[Unknown]

Or David, if you look at it four other times they were like, ah, you know what? Nobody's going to pick him again and again and again and again. Fifth round.

[David Sampson]

Bam.

[Unknown]

You get it? All right, last leg of the parlay. We're going back to Thursday night football. Jawan Jennings, he's a really good player.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah.

[Unknown]

Juwan Jennings over 40 yards received. So squeaky wheel game for Debo Samuel over four and a half receptions. Puka Nakua over seven and a half receptions.

[David Sampson]

Scary.

[Unknown]

Terry over nine and a half percent. I was waiting for the lightning bolt, not receptions. Yeah. Excuse me. Points. That would have been crazy to have Terry overnight.

[Chris Cote]

Seems like we're in a contract here and you got to get the difference between points and everything.

[Unknown]

Yeah, but you know, you know Juwan Jennings over 40, when he's healthy, he delivers.

[David Sampson]

There's value there in his individual profile.

[Chris Cote]

Can we talk about something that happened last night? I don't know if you guys were entertained by the in season tournament. I am somebody who doesn't want to be cynical. If you want to give me more stakes and want to invent different changes to make something more interesting. Baseball certainly done that successfully and basketball is trying to keep up. So they have only tournament games last night. And what happens last night is to me, Trey Young introduces himself back to Madison Square Garden, to New York and to America. Last night. It feels like he's been gone for a year and a half. It feels like since we watched him knocked off, knock off this city in the playoffs, that he then went right to the bottom of the standings. Could have been available to anyone if you wanted to trade for him as somebody who's going to shoot from 40ft. And then last night, Madison Square Garden, in a sign of disrespect in the realm of flag planting at felony at mid court while making fun of New York, New York that hates him. New York that he enjoys playing against and enjoys beating and beating there he pantomimes that he's rolling dice on their court because he's at home and no.

[Unknown]

Because they're going to Vegas.

[Chris Cote]

And he is. Yes, but. Yeah, because they're going to Vegas. But also he's making fun of New York at the symbolic center of New York because he enjoys knocking off the Knicks.

[David Sampson]

I love before the final whistle too. Like this is during the game as he's milking the clock. Like he is taunting them at center court, reminding everybody. Keep in mind this is a guy that appeared when Smackdown was in Madison Square Garden. He appeared as a heel, had a whole titan drawn entrance and everything just to absorb the booze. It's the only NBA game this season that I've tuned in for start to finish because I wanted to see this spectacle. And he delivered.

[Unknown]

You know, in Vegas you don't have to bend over that much to roll the dice.

I think there's a white guy situation.

[David Sampson]

There's a white guy situation. There's two Americas.

[Unknown]

When it comes to the dice, it's no, I know. But in Vegas it's the craps table. No, I know.

[David Sampson]

Maybe I wasn't doing the Vegas dice.

[Unknown]

Maybe that's west side Story. That's Guys and Dolls.

[Chris Cote]

Look.

[David Sampson]

What are you talking about? You illuminated me to the fact that he might be doing a Vegas thing. I thought he was doing a New York thing.

[Jordan Brenner]

I'm going to be a white guy with David. I think he was implying we're on our way to Vegas. I'm with you. The dice that you guys are talking about is usually on the ground. But the dice. He's trying to say Vegas there, but he's doing it.

[David Sampson]

That was a New York posture. Maybe he was trying to say both. Wow, it's that meta.

[Unknown]

So that is a white guy thing. It didn't even occur to me that it was anything other than celebrating going to Vegas.

I don't think he cares about going to Vegas.

[Chris Cote]

That was clearly, literally what they just passed their ticket for street gambling. He was throwing dice on the side of the road. But I love that what David did to show you that he was not the white guy is go. Not just west side Story, but also Guys and Dolls. Two Broadway stars. George Costanza. He didn't go act. He didn't go just. I deny, I deny what you're saying about me. I'm not that white. Here are two things that show how gangster I am. West side Story and Guys and Dolls. When people fight and also sing and dance.

[Unknown]

I got the horse right here. His name is Paul Revere.

[Chris Cote]

It's unbelievable.

[Unknown]

Pugh for Tinhorns.

[David Sampson]

I thought that was Beastie Boys.

[Dan Le Batard]

He should have done Britney Spears dance from Her Vegas residency. The Work bitch dance. You know, like the little.

[Unknown]

I can't. That's like the Vogue. I always try to do the Vogue and I can't quite do it. I have no rhythm.

[David Sampson]

It's pretty simple.

[Chris Cote]

You always try to do the Vogue?

[Unknown]

Yeah, I always have tried to be that after the Real Girl video. So I try to do that and it just doesn't work.

[David Sampson]

I'm just sitting here.

[Jordan Brenner]

No, it's working.

[Chris Cote]

It's not working. Nothing that David is doing right now is working. I did not have west side Story and Guys and Dolls as a defense coming up to prove you were less white.

[David Sampson]

Well, there's a lot of Puerto Ricans in West side Story.

[Unknown]

Yeah, I don't view west side Story as a white guy.

[Chris Cote]

No, it's just brought. It's just brought. It's just all. It's the. It's the cultural references. That is where you're showing your ass.

[Unknown]

It was nominated for Best Picture a couple years. Steven Spielberg.

[David Sampson]

Yeah. What'd you think about the remake?

[Unknown]

Terrible.

[David Sampson]

I didn't need it.

[Unknown]

Absolutely terrible.

[David Sampson]

Original is fine.

[Unknown]

Necessary. It's worse than Christian Bale.

[Chris Cote]

Can you guys walk me through something that I've been interested about for years now? I don't know how long Francis Ford Coppola has been trying to make Mechalopolis okay, but the reviews that it is getting are so bad that it will be an eternal bust. And I don't know how much money he paid because he insisted on making this movie himself. And it's a crazy gamble to make these things yourself. And so I don't know how many tens of millions of dollars one of the great filmmakers of our time has spent in his 80s to have his career punctuation be something that is an eternal and echoing expensive flop. What are you guys laughing about?

[David Sampson]

I wanted to lock eyes because I know I could tell if someone was scanning the room to lock eyes with somebody. He was looking for someone who also watched Megaflopolis.

[Unknown]

He needed anybody.

[David Sampson]

I also watched it.

[Unknown]

So you didn't. But you're doing this from a vantage point of not having seen it.

[Chris Cote]

The vantage point I have is not only that. I not have. I haven't seen it. It's the following. I've been waiting for this movie for a long time. I've been wondering, what does Francis Ford Coppola want to make so badly that he'll make it with his own money and can't get anyone to make it for him? And the words that I have heard about the movie since then have made me not want to watch it because everyone hates it so much.

[David Sampson]

You must watch it.

[Unknown]

You owe it to him to watch it because of his career. And Kevin Costner just did the same thing with Horizon. So it's not entirely uncommon to do a passion project Steven Spielberg spent a ton of money on. Passion project involving the Holocaust. Not uncommon for someone like Francis Ford Coppola to be legacy fishing right now for himself. So I did not have the same reaction to you at all. And I'm disappointed that you would react that way.

[Chris Cote]

Why disappointed?

[Unknown]

Disrespectful?

[Chris Cote]

No, no, no. Here, look.

[David Sampson]

You say it's Disobedfather three.

[Chris Cote]

You say it's disrespectful to him. But it has been such a bad reaction from everybody. I'm not hearing anyone say this is a worthy movie of this man's talent. And so they've killed it for me before I've even gotten started. And I haven't had that happen a whole lot to me where word of mouth kills my enthusiasm for something that quickly.

[Dan Le Batard]

He should have just been the head coach of the North Carolina Heels instead.

[Chris Cote]

That got my curiosity stimulated this morning. But you're. You're talking about an 80 year old guy. And I know the Costner story. Costner has lost a lot of money because he's western obsessed. And he thought that Yellowstone, he was going to parlay that into Frontier. And it was terrible. Everybody.

[Unknown]

Horizon.

[Chris Cote]

Horizon. Excuse me. And it was terrible.

[Unknown]

It wasn't terrible.

[Chris Cote]

Well, it got.

[Unknown]

Did you see it?

[Chris Cote]

No, I have not. No.

[David Sampson]

Jason, just go back to basement. I think what he's saying is no one saw it.

[Chris Cote]

It got terrible reviews and it flopped at the box office as well. And so has Megalopolis. But in the case of Costner, I'm not expecting what I expect from Francis Ford Coppola. How long has he been wanting to make this movie? And how much of his own money did he pour into this? Because it's a different money that he has versus what Kevin Costner has.

[Unknown]

Costner came out and said, I want to say the number was around over $50 million. And the rumor is with Coppola. Coppola, that it's higher than that. But there may be a difference because Costner has a chance to make it back because it's a series of Horizon movies. Though they did delay Horizon 2, but he's filming Horizon 3 and 4. Coppola just got it done in one movie.

[David Sampson]

Yeah. So we watched Megalopolis. And I think the bummer because it's really ambitious, and it's an impossible. It's a lot like. Like Dune. How do you put this on film? It's difficult to make, and I think the thing standing in its way was a guy that wanted to make it the most because I watch and I'm like, this is not well made. This is like, there. He wanted this take. Really? It's all awkward. Everyone's got that. You know how there's a unique accent to movies made about Odysseus and Troy? Like. Like, Brad Pitt talks. Like, now you know who you're fighting, and you're like, what is that accent? Is that English? What is this supposed to be? Everyone has kind of like that accent and delivery. It could just be an Adam Driver thing. I think we've got to start looking at Adam Driver when he stars in a movie that doesn't go well at all.

[Unknown]

Marriage Story.

[David Sampson]

Okay. He co starred in that one. When he's carrying a movie, when he's carrying something, it ain't working out for House of Gucci. Same thing. House of Gucci is one of the worst films I've ever seen. And like this. This was.

[Chris Cote]

So you are questioning publicly Adam Driver's leading man credentials.

[David Sampson]

I'm saying there's a track record there. That would make you concerned. I believe in Ferrari. I did not. I'm getting to that one, though.

[Dan Le Batard]

That'd be a good data point to have.

[David Sampson]

Yes, it would be. But it also didn't do well in the box office. And, like, if you put Adam Driver as the star of your film, it more than likely flops. I'm just saying this is a track record. This is not a matter of opinion. I'm just pointing you to the facts. So I watched it more like Adam Passenger, and I wanted to really hate it the entire time. That's a good.

[Unknown]

He's right about that, though.

[David Sampson]

He's right about that. I watched it the entire time.

[Chris Cote]

You were proud of that.

[David Sampson]

And I'm like, I'm not gonna be the guy that turns around on this film. This is a bad movie. This is not even funny bad. This is dreadful. And the entire. I'm like, all right, Mike, checking in. Are you gonna be snarky about it or are you gonna hold the line? Hold the line. 90 minutes, roll around. Holding line. This is bad. Final act. This is genius. This is. This is one of the best bad movies I've ever seen because it's so audacious, so ambitious, so over the top, so overwritten, so overacted, so over directed. That I came out saying, wow, that was a great time. I was also on 20 milligrams.

[Unknown]

Oh, I was watching that.

[David Sampson]

Stone cold sober. Are you kidding me?

[Chris Cote]

Well, let me understand something here, Tony. Can you tell me, please, how much money Francis Ford Coppola put into his.

[Unknown]

Own movie tune of about $120 million. Obviously, some other things that were brought in, but about that amount.

[Chris Cote]

Can you also tell me how long Francis Ford Coppola wanted to make this move?

[Unknown]

He started developing it in 1983.

[Chris Cote]

So now I want to ask you guys, when it comes to legacy, because we were talking about this the other day and I was saying, man, Odell Beckham, he's got to be embarrassed by that one catch, one yard on the Dolphins, just given who he's been. When I present to you this information. Francis Ford Coppola has been wanting to make something for 40 years that he gets to the end of his life, and it cost him $120 million. His heirs, my God, it must hurt to have it received this way. You're shaking your head.

[Unknown]

It doesn't hurt. He did it. He didn't do it for you. He didn't do it for the reviews. He didn't do it for the return. He did it because this was his life project. 40 years. He can put a bow on his career. In his mind, he's not focused on your show and what you're saying about it.

[David Sampson]

It might actually kind of be like the Belichick thing in that he's already got the greatest of all time. You can take it away from him. So what if his career ends with like, something that I'm laughing at on my couch at like 11 o'clock at night and 20 milligrams. He still. He has like two of the greatest films ever that he can point to, and no one's ever gonna take that away from him.

[Dan Le Batard]

And all his friends probably tell him it's awesome. They're like, you did it. You did a great job. Great movie. We love it.

[Unknown]

I'm not sure he thinks it's awesome.

[David Sampson]

It was very self indulgent. But he could turn to me in a very dramatic Adam Driver type voice and say, am I not entitled?

[Chris Cote]

You are really taking out that gangly Ichabod Crane, Adam Driver. You are. You're just crushing him.

[David Sampson]

Crush him as hard as you did.

[Chris Cote]

Can you guys get for me the video of Jon Gruden? And just in general, can we talk finally about the fact that Barstool has resuscitated Jon Gruden's career that's got some crappy stuff in it that probably shouldn't be resuscitated. But Jon Gruden is a cartoon character, really loves football, loves talking about football. And Jon Gruden has made his way to barstool in a way that I've seen in the eating area here. You guys have arguments about the fact that, yeah, that's fun for a week, but once Jon Gruden's doing that all around the offices for a month, a lot of you have like, that's going to get annoying.

[Unknown]

I think one person said. One person said that and we didn't like that.

[David Sampson]

We're aligned. We're aligned. We're football guys. We're Gruden grinders.

[Unknown]

Exactly right.

[David Sampson]

Look, it's a lot like OJ Simpson doing Twitter videos. Do I feel some kind of way about it? Yes. Am I still going to watch it because of the Open hello, Twitter world? Yes. I mean, going to. Occasionally you're not fascinated. OJ's feeling nicey. He's feel like Jon Gruden's feeling nicey. Oh, so in this one still, it was a video that he put out because last weekend was a Gruden Bowl, Raiders versus Bucks. And so, you know, he's caught in between it. He has a famous Raider fan there and he's talking, he's doing his Gruden face. Do you notice anything about this photo, this still image?

[Unknown]

Shirts inside out.

[David Sampson]

His polo shirt is inside out. Out. A polo shirt inside out. Like I can excuse, I can excuse a T shirt inside out. That's happened. The polo shirt, the collar, like the polo shirt buttons are inside. The patch is on the outside.

[Chris Cote]

Mike, you're right to be indignant about this. I don't feel qualified to criticize it. As someone who once went to the zoo wearing my mother's too tight blouse without knowing it because I'd pulled it out of the dry cleaner.

[Unknown]

If Gruden got offered 50 for 5, he'd leave Barstool pretty quickly.

[Chris Cote]

Dan, he is not making the money in media that Bill Belichick is. I don't know why you think that Bill Belichick isn't making or wasn't making a lot of money in media. I don't think you were paying attention to the number of job opportunities that Bill Belichick was partaking in. And I also don't think that you're paying attention to the number of the amount of money that MANNING Cast and McAfee's and all these people are throwing around to get into this game.

[Unknown]

He's making more at unc.

[David Sampson]

Do you think it was done on purpose because of how people would talk about, like, that's pretty insane. He has a polo shirt inside out. Or did he have it inside out the entire day and no one told him?

[Unknown]

Was it in haste?

[David Sampson]

Yes.

[Unknown]

I was his shirt off right before the picture was taken.

[David Sampson]

The Internet is filled with wild speculation here as to what kind of scenario.

[Chris Cote]

Reckless.

[Unknown]

You could.

[Chris Cote]

What a great sentence. Was it done in haste? What are you suggesting was happening?

[David Sampson]

That's actually the writing that's in Megalopolis.

[Chris Cote]

Was it done in haste? Like, what. What do you. He was shirtless scrambling right before the photograph.

[David Sampson]

That's. So it popped on my radar. And I gotta be honest, the take that was attached to this video was already leading the jury. Like, did this guy just put on his shirt in a rush to film a selfie video? Because that's the only way, like, you can have. You can go throughout the day with an inside out polo.

[Chris Cote]

So wait a minute. Do I have it straight that once you guys are asking the question, was it done in haste? Are you now intimating that Jon Gruden and a very famous Raider fan, the most famous.

[David Sampson]

I'm not doing anything. I'm just asking the question. Directing you to the Internet.

[Jordan Brenner]

We don't know with who.

[Unknown]

We know with who.

[David Sampson]

Who.

[Chris Cote]

You don't with who. You are saying done in haste. And then that he is scrambling to put a shirt on inside out. And let me see it again here. Are you guys alleging that he is radiant and post coital and then further alleging. Further alleging that the only passion shared, the only passion shared between these two people are about perhaps Raider football or just Gruden football, But it's just football passion that's being shared here. But for some reason, a pink and bloated Jon Gruden had to in haste put on a polo shirt backwards because something breathless might have happened beyond conversation.

[David Sampson]

Look, I'm not attaching a take to this, but that does not look to me like a wardrobe. That was done while someone was taking their time thoughtfully. Yeah, yeah. That was just. That was not like, okay, let me get my fit on in front of everything. Good.

[Chris Cote]

Can I get some opinions from the room? Roy? Can I get a vote here? Are you voting yes or no? Jon Gruden put that shirt on in haste.

[David Sampson]

Yes.

[Chris Cote]

All right. And in haste because he was shirtless moments before. Yes, because he was doing what you're.

[David Sampson]

Trying to get him to say that thing. Don't let him say Let the just put it on the. The chat is saying. The chat is saying he had sex before the show before doing that video, which is really unfair. With respect.

[Chris Cote]

All parties involved.

[David Sampson]

All parties involved. But that is one of the hypothetical scenarios that you can concoct when you ask yourself why is this person wearing, wearing a polo?

[Unknown]

I think he could have been tanning, which is why he's got the face that looks sunburned.

[Chris Cote]

No, he's always looks like that. He's always.

[Dan Le Batard]

Maybe he's just an idiot.

[David Sampson]

Yes, the shirt they had on before was worse than the shirt they had.

[Chris Cote]

What would give you that impression, Jessica?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know, like his 61 year life.

[Jordan Brenner]

Feeling nice.

[Chris Cote]

What would indicate to you that our great champion here would be an idiot throwing on a shirt from the laundry that he got inside out because he's probably been a frat boy for 40 years.

[David Sampson]

You think he's just crunching film shirtless and he's like, oh God damn, man, gotta grab the shirt from the chair. That's clothes that are too dirty to hang up, but too clean. Put on the hamper. Howdy, it's Mike. Wanna talk to you about Game Time. For my money, the very best secondary ticket marketplace app there is on the market. And trust me, I've been around the block a times when it comes to this and I always come back to Game Time. Plenty of reasons why. Let me detail them for you all in pricing, panoramic seat views, the lowest price guarantee. Game Time will credit you 110% of the difference if you dare find a better deal out there. And their unparalleled Game Time ticket coverage has your purchase covered with the most flexible customer service policy in the ticketing industry. And also they have this brand new wonderful feature called Game Time picks that makes getting tickets to see your favorite teams play live even easier. Easier. Gametime Picks filters out the fluff to show you only incredible deals on great seats so you don't have to waste time searching through thousands of tickets with gametime pics. It helps to make curation easier to save more on sports, concerts, comedy, theater and more. Take the guesswork out of buying tickets with GameTime pics. Download the GameTime app, create an account and use code DAN for $20 off your first purchase terms. Apply again, create an account and redeem code D a n for $20 off. Download game time today. What time is it? Game Time.