Hour 2: Keyon Dooling? (feat. Amin Elhassan)

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 2: Keyon Dooling? (feat. Amin Elhassan)
Date: November 25, 2025
Guests: Amin Elhassan, Zaza Pachulia, Chris Cody, others

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Episode Overview

In this energetic episode from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and friends offer their signature blend of sports analysis, playful ribbing, and oddball pop culture takes. Key themes include the ongoing “legend or not a legend” debate around South Florida sports personalities, the authenticity of athlete podcasts, Chris Paul’s enduring NBA legacy (and his penchant for “nut-tapping”), movie “blind spots,” and a live experiment in Amin Elhassan’s (humorous) investigative segment. The crew’s chemistry and fast-paced banter make for a lively hour, perfect for both sports fans and those who love the show’s inside jokes and familial tone.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. Legend or Not a Legend? – South Florida Sports Media Edition

(05:10–12:27)

• The group riffs on who constitutes a genuine "South Florida sports legend," evaluating a cast of radio, TV, and media personalities.
• Notable names like Ed Kaplan, Big O, Joy Taylor, Jim Barry, and Kim Bokamper are hotly debated.
• Humor and personal bias color the verdicts. Zaza playfully admits, “I think he sucks, but the answer is yes. That’s because I have credibility, integrity.” (09:35)
• The word “legend” is treated almost sacramentally: “Legend is a really strong word.” (08:47, Zaza)
• Self-reflection arises: Chris Cody asks, “Am I a legend locally?” to which Zaza, after a pause, says, “Yes.” (08:54–09:02)

Notable Quote

“I don’t even believe that. I think so because he got fired from his... That’s his greatest achievement, getting fired.”
— Dan LeBatard on Chris Cody's "legend" status (09:04)

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2. Real or Fake Podcasts? — Who Actually Has a Show?

(12:00–16:25)

• The game “Real or Fake Podcast” spotlights just how saturated sports podcasting has become — and how little even insiders keep up.
• Dan embarrasses himself by doubting the existence of “The Crossover with Keyon Dooling,” only to learn it’s co-hosted by their own Tony.
• The crew has a laugh at Dan’s expense: “Keon Dooling hasn’t heard of Tony’s podcast!”
• Admits to missing friends’ shows, poking at the oversaturation and in-jokes of sports media.

Notable Quote

“It wasn’t just him. It was like, who else would listen to that? That has to be fake. And thank god for the setup ... we have just given Danny great shame.”
— Dan Le Batard, after realizing his error about “The Crossover” (15:03)

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3. Chris Paul’s NBA Legacy & The “Nut Tapper” Reputation

(21:23–26:16)

• Amin runs brief “Weekend Observations,” lamenting his teams’ fortunes and moving quickly to Chris Paul, speculating this may be the end of Paul’s career.
• The crew debates how Chris Paul is remembered: an all-time great, yet notorious for “nut-tapping” opponents.
• Amin recalls a never-aired ESPN segment on Chris Paul’s greatest “nut tap” hits: “Disney got too scared ... they wouldn’t even air it digitally.” (24:35, Amin)
• Chris Paul’s playoff failures and “unclutch” label are discussed as bigger legacy blemishes than his on-court antics.

Notable Quote

“He’s a habitual nut tapper.”
— Amin Elhassan, bluntly distilling a quirky part of Paul’s career (24:35)

“His legacy is soiled, I think more by high profile shortcomings in the playoffs ... the Internet is very strong in creating reputations that are, that are unfair. Chris Paul being unclutch is one of them.”
— Amin adds nuance to the debate (25:36)

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4. Sports Movie Blind Spots & “Amin Finds Out”

(27:27–35:04)

• Amin uncovers Zaza’s surprising movie blind spots: he has never seen “Rush Hour” or “Rush Hour 2.”
• Zaza shrugs off the shame. “Rush Hour is not a classic ... who cares?”
• The panel is aghast, debating which movies are essential for a “movie buff.”
• Zaza refuses to watch “Dodgeball” because it’s been hyped too much: “There’s no way it’s as good as everyone’s making it sound.”
• Amin insists “Rush Hour” is Jackie Chan’s best and a must-watch, noting his own children prefer it to modern Disney fare.

Notable Quote

“You make it sound like the only way that you’re a movie person is if you’ve seen every movie.”
— Zaza, protesting Amin's incredulity (33:31)

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5. NBA Draft Redraft: The Next Big Thing?

(37:10–41:16)

• The panel debates who would go first if last year’s draft were redone — Khalil Ware or Stephon Castle.
• Amin argues for Ware’s upside: “When you talk about someone 7 foot tall, could shoot and who can defend the way he can, that is always going to be tantalizing...” (38:36)
• But hesitates to crown him: “Time will tell if what we’re seeing from Khalil Ware is real and sustainable, or is he just having a good streak.” (38:36)

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6. Miami Heat & Player Development Culture

(41:35–42:45)

• Discussion of Erik Spoelstra’s sometimes stubborn loyalty to certain rotation players (specifically Terry Rozier).
• Amin: “Mike SPO has this weird kind of obligation sometimes to guys that like, I can’t sit that guy. And Terry Rozier was one of those guys.”
• Noting that removing underperformers like Rozier ultimately helped the team.

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7. NBA Beef Decoding: Ja Morant vs. Klay Thompson

(42:45–43:36)

• Amin presents an alternative read of a viral Ja Morant trash talk line, theorizing it may have referenced fellow player Cam Spencer rather than Klay Thompson.
• The crew debates the plausibility and laments how out-of-control NBA beef storylines can get.

Notable Quote

“Once one guy starts talking, now they’re both talking ... The start.”
— Amin, on how NBA feuds spiral (43:36)

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Memorable Quotes (with Timestamps)

• “Legend is a really strong word.” — Zaza Pachulia (08:47)
• “He’s a habitual nut tapper.” — Amin Elhassan, on Chris Paul (24:35)
• “Disney got too scared because we were talking about nut taps ... wouldn’t even air it digitally.” — Amin (24:35)
• “I think he sucks, but the answer is yes. That’s because I have credibility, integrity.” — Zaza, on Jimmy Cephalo (09:35)
• “There’s no way it’s as good as everyone’s making it sound ... I’ve never once said, man, I wish I’d watched dodgeball.” — Zaza, on refusing to watch “Dodgeball” (33:04)
• “You can be a legend in two different places.” — Zaza, on Jorge Sedano (11:28)
• “We have just given Danny great shame.” — Dan Le Batard, realizing his error on “The Crossover” podcast (15:03)

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Notable Segments & Timestamps

• Legend/Not a Legend Game: (05:10–12:27)
• Real or Fake Podcast Game: (12:00–16:25)
• Chris Paul Discussion/Weekend Observations: (21:23–26:16)
• Amin Finds Out (Movie Blind Spots): (27:27–35:04)
• NBA Redraft Debate: (37:10–41:16)
• Miami Heat Player Development Discussion: (41:35–42:45)
• Ja Morant vs. Klay Thompson Feud Theory: (42:45–43:36)

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Tone and Style

• Playful, fast-paced, irreverent banter is paramount, with running inside jokes and self-deprecating humor.
• Plenty of good-natured ribbing about who’s “in the club” of South Florida sports royalty.
• Amin’s sarcasm and willingness to go off on odd tangents keeps the show unpredictable and sharp.
• Candid “family table” debates morph into pop-culture therapy sessions and post-mortems of the hosts’ own career choices.

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For New Listeners

This episode offers a microcosm of why The Dan Le Batard Show retains such a devoted audience: the content is unpredictable, the chemistry real, and the distinctions between “serious” sports commentary and pure entertainment vanish entirely. If you wonder how a “legend” is made, why Chris Paul’s antics matter, or what Rush Hour has to do with sports radio, you’re in the right place.

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Transcript

[Chris]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I do know that to be true. But even during ad reads like Cuervo, I think you could lay out especially.

[Chris Cody]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Zaza Pachulia]

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[Chris Cody]

Up no matter the weather, push forward.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No matter the terrain, and deliver.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's why Chevrolet has earned more dependability awards for trucks than any other brand.

[Chris Cody]

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[Zaza Pachulia]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Zaza Pachulia]

Newer models may be shown.

[Amin Elhassan]

Visit jdpower.com awards for more details. Chevrolet Together let's drive.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats Pod. Hello, Gracudi, your son's wondering if you.

[Chris Cody]

Can use a microwave when you speak, but you say no.

[Dan LeBatard]

That kind of thing. The same way that you don't have a new back in my my day this week.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Hello?

[Dan LeBatard]

What are you saying? You're plugging your new show of Greg Cody's show with Greg Cody, when you were younger and a teen Athol Merman took the world by storm Just like the Hee Haw 3. All of your saints run through us like J. F. Dolphins are alive.

[Chris Cody]

Diana said that you.

[Dan LeBatard]

So D says he's sorry. Forever doubting your fire so you can have the grin of a donkey eating br.

[Chris Cody]

It's a mule.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a mule.

[Chris Cody]

It's a mule.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's the same according to Greg. No, there's a difference.

[Chris Cody]

No, it is a difference. A mule. A donkey is a dumber animal by virtue of it being two syllables. The mule is the one eating briars. Chris, can you get for me, please, Just the two dueling sounds of your father.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Hello?

[Chris Cody]

With Rose's honk from being pepper sprayed.

[Dan LeBatard]

Such a great sound.

[Chris Cody]

Hello? Which one? If we had a tournament of sounds, which would win because Rose being pepper sprayed. Like, that's not the sound you'd expect with that. That wasn't that. At the Ohio State game. Is that there where she was? It was on the field. Is that Rose being pepper sprayed or being attacked by a giant bird of prey? Just.

[Dan LeBatard]

Or is that the bird of prey?

[Chris Cody]

Is that the bird of prey excavating Rose's orbital bone? That's an attacking bird, is it not? I need your support. Wait, how'd that sneak in there? So I have in front of me before we get to Amin's weekend observations? By the way. The Carolina Panthers scored nine last night. The Florida Panthers scored eight. No time for them.

[Dan LeBatard]

That concludes real or fake podcasts.

[Chris Cody]

I'll get back to it. I've got one more day before the holidays.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, but now it's an uneven number.

[Chris Cody]

Let's go through legend or not a legend with Jonathan, My new favorite game.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I'm good at this.

[Chris Cody]

You're good at this. Okay. Curtis Stevenson. No.

[Dan LeBatard]

The captain held down middays. I don't know about that. Okay.

[Chris Cody]

Jeff De Forest.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes.

[Amin Elhassan]

The Dime.

[Chris Cody]

Sid Rosenberg.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, it's not a South Florida legend.

[Dan LeBatard]

The great Mike Barnacle.

[Chris Cody]

Ed Kaplan.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Easy, easy. Eddie K. Deuces Rogers.

[Amin Elhassan]

Wow.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tough one.

[Chris]

No.

[Dan LeBatard]

Might be a Philadelphia legend.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Not tough. Just didn't expect to hear the name.

[Dan LeBatard]

Deuce is wild.

[Chris Cody]

Brendan Tobin. Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're a little close to this.

[Chris]

Your voice went high up there.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. What happened there?

[Dan LeBatard]

I like him.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I had to think about it for a second, but I'm gonna go.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes.

[Chris Cody]

What happened there?

[Dan LeBatard]

We're approaching year 20 for Brendan.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I had to think about it is all.

[Chris]

He's my favorite local guy right now.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's also the best. Mine's a big dog.

[Chris]

Mean I. I have a soft spot in my heart for the big dog. Listen to him every morning.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Every morning.

[Chris]

It just works out my schedule. One of my favorite things though on the drive home is texting Leroy Horde cuz he'll read anything I text him on air so I just like to play the little game of can he will he read this on air? Sometimes he doesn't even reference my name. He'll just like react to my text.

[Zaza Pachulia]

It's great like as if you're texting.

[Chris Cody]

The show Leroy Horde.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I'm going yes. Been on the air long enough. No it's been there long enough.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hello. Hesitation hell.

[Chris Cody]

I don't know what happened. There was a lot of math being done there a lot of math being.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Done in his been here a long time.

[Dan LeBatard]

That was full MVP Rose Bullet.

[Chris Cody]

That sounded like you were right on the edge Phil. Shane.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No.

[Chris Cody]

Oh whoa.

[Dan LeBatard]

Whatever. He is a soccer legend in the states but not a Miami Chris Whittingham. I think the same applies.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah I think I'm going no too soccer legend. Yeah. Correct. Correct.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not a Miami sports legend.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

If he would have put in he hasn't put in the time. If he put in more time here but all I know about him is he's. He's a quitter.

[Chris Cody]

Whoa.

[Dan LeBatard]

Quitty. Hey quitty.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Whoa. He left afternoon drive on 79 ticket as well.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's a quitter.

[Chris]

Mainly just an odd dude.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Mainly.

[Dan LeBatard]

Job jumper.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh wait a minute.

[Chris Cody]

That wait that descended an important note.

[Chris]

When talking witty you gotta just bring it in the comments.

[Dan LeBatard]

It is a strange bird.

[Chris Cody]

So wait wait wait wait wait wait.

[Chris]

Alarm clock.

[Chris Cody]

I'm not. I'm not.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Alarm clock is the stove.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. Who can forget that he swallowed every piece of gum he ever had. That's crazy. He never has spit out gum. He's like yeah don't spit it out. I swallow it.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I'm like oh that's gross.

[Chris]

Got confused.

[Zaza Pachulia]

That's why it's a no wait a minute.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

No. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

It never had a Snickers bar until.

[Chris]

Like two years ago we did that on air.

[Chris Cody]

That that was while a short lived era I believe the witty era.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chris Whittingham is a fancy lad.

[Chris Cody]

Means you disrespect him as a nominee for this category. I believe that in South Florida history if you're executive producing this show and you're giving it all your weirdnesses he had a Sandy Sandy Koufax run through the industry. That's not Dan Chris has already been.

[Dan LeBatard]

Longer than Witty was for ep. More tenure.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Legend is a really strong word.

[Chris]

Am I a legend locally?

[Zaza Pachulia]

I need you to ask. It can't ask himself.

[Chris Cody]

Is Chris Cody a legend?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't even believe that. I think so because he got fired from his. That's his greatest achievement, getting fired. It's crazy.

[Chris Cody]

It's Roy Bellamy. Alleged.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes.

[Chris Cody]

Is Jeremy Tachet a legend?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Not yet.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's got two Emmys. Nope. Okay.

[Chris]

Not long enough. Remember, though, if you think you're family.

[Dan LeBatard]

If he didn't do that Eskimo thing to you, which was out of line, I agree. Yeah. I'm sorry for that.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. I'll think about your Jimmy Cephalo.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I mean.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, you're. Come on.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Sucks. But the answer is yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, that's. That's putting his white hat on the hat rack right there.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I gotta take my own personal bias out. I think he sucks, but the answer is yes. That's because I have credibility, integrity. But he's a really bad play by play guy. Just like really bad.

[Dan LeBatard]

I've heard that about him.

[Chris Cody]

I think what you guys did was mean. Here to Trevor Murray and Eric Reed.

[Amin Elhassan]

What?

[Chris Cody]

The other one you read.

[Chris]

You gotta have some yeses and no's.

[Chris Cody]

I think. I think Eric Reed. The other one was mean. I don't think that was something. Oh, wait a minute. The big O. Did I say the big O? Did I ask him about the big.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, you didn't ask me the big O. Yes, absolutely. Absolutely.

[Chris]

Yes, it's a no.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No. Yes, yes. He's a legend.

[Dan LeBatard]

No. Yes. Yes.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, Big oh is definitely South Florida legend.

[Chris Cody]

Of course it is.

[Dan LeBatard]

With the Senior bowl, without him.

[Chris Cody]

Omar Kelly.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, that guy's a douche. I already said no.

[Chris Cody]

Armando Salguero.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah, yeah. He Legend. Yes. South Florida legend.

[Chris]

Oh, this is. This is not just radio. This is just South Florida.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, wait a minute.

[Chris Cody]

I wasn't just doing. Wait a minute. I would. Deuces Rogers. I thought, what. Who gets the television category? Because you got Jim Barry, you got Steve Shapiro.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Shapiro's all time.

[Chris Cody]

How many. But who are the legends in the. Is Drew Rosenhaus now a legend?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah, yeah, of course. Yeah, of course.

[Chris Cody]

Who else is.

[Dan LeBatard]

Who else is a kimbo camper?

[Chris Cody]

Oh, he's got Kim Bo Kamper. Once you put your name on a restaurant in the Fort Lauderdale airport, you are kimbo camper forever. Living off those linebacker gnarled fingers for 15 hairy forearms.

[Chris]

Get that burger, though. A lot of them are closing down.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is Will Manso a Legend. Yeah, I agree.

[Chris Cody]

A lot of them are closing down.

[Chris]

The one by my house. Closed.

[Chris Cody]

Jorge Sadano.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah. Of course.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's been in LA longer than he's been in Miami. Kale.

[Zaza Pachulia]

You can be a legend in two different places.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is he an LA legend?

[Zaza Pachulia]

I don't know. I don't live in la. Don't ask me something.

[Dan LeBatard]

Anita Marks. No.

[Chris Cody]

Joy Taylor.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes, of course. Major Impact. That's my homegirl.

[Chris Cody]

I can't believe you took Frito out.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have four more podcasts if you'd.

[Chris Cody]

Like to do that. Let's do it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Chris Cody]

I'm sorry I cut you off.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm excited about this list. Come on, legend. Come on. Come on, legend. Don't let me down after that.

[Zaza Pachulia]

This is why you're a legend, Chris.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, Dan, for the record, what would your answer have been on Wingmen featuring Matthew and Brady Tkachuk?

[Chris Cody]

I would have said that's not a podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. I would have been wrong. Factor back with William Floyd.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I don't know who that is.

[Dan LeBatard]

You don't know who William. He doesn't know ball. He doesn't.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I don't know that fool.

[Dan LeBatard]

William Floyd's one of the greatest fullbacks ever.

[Chris]

That implies it's real.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I'm going. Not real. I would have heard it.

[Chris Cody]

No, but. No, but he. He's old and he wasn't that interesting.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's covers fsu still. It wasn't that interesting. He's got plenty of opinions.

[Chris Cody]

He's got. He's.

[Amin Elhassan]

He.

[Chris Cody]

You don't remember him as an FSU running back in a San Francisco 49ers Carolina. You don't have any idea who we're talking actor back. That is not a podcast. That doesn't exist. That. No. Checking my notes, he wasn't interesting as a player. I'm not even sure he wasn't much of a talker. You can't remember.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's in the media. Covers fsu. That's a cult, by the way. It's a fake podcast. Straight to Cam with Cameron Brink. Real or fake? Dan, you go first.

[Chris Cody]

I'm going to guess that that's real.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I mean, she definitely has a podcast, but I don't think that's the name. But your history here has not been, yes, they have a podcast, but you fake the name.

[Dan LeBatard]

I've done that before.

[Zaza Pachulia]

You have?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

But I would assume that she's good in the media space. She's got her own properties, so, yeah, I would assume that. And I would assume that is popular.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, yeah, you know what? I'm gonna go.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes, it is Real Blue Line with Chris Pronger.

[Chris]

You know when you guys, like, give a real breakdown of this, it's not as fun, just say real or fake podcast.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, so here's the thing, though, Mike. Look, look, I don't want to show off that I can properly guess whether it's a podcast. I haven't listened to it.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I do.

[Dan LeBatard]

He played for the blues.

[Chris Cody]

That right there is just a name. No, but that's the only reason you. That is not a podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chris Pronger, the defenseman.

[Chris Cody]

It's a funny name. He's a funny physical specimen. He was. He wasn't somebody that I particularly enjoyed talking, and I don't think he decided to get into the entertainment industry.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I'm going, no.

[Dan LeBatard]

You spoke to Chris Pronger and you didn't tell us?

[Zaza Pachulia]

He specifically didn't enjoy Chris Pronger talk.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's what he's saying. Chris Pronger does media.

[Chris Cody]

I. I thought as an interview, he was a particularly good interview.

[Dan LeBatard]

He covers the game for espn.

[Chris Cody]

I'm guessing. No, that. That's not a podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did you do one of those when you spoke to Chris? I ruin it.

[Chris Cody]

Chris is.

[Chris]

Whenever you're done with a podcast, when an interview, if it's going poorly, it's just like. All right, thank you for joining us, Chris.

[Dan LeBatard]

Blue Line with Chris Pronger is a fake one. All right, here we go. The crossover with Keon Dueling.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes.

[Chris Cody]

No, no, I don't think that that's a podcast.

[Zaza Pachulia]

The answer is yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tony, you want to tell them? Kd, Me and kd.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I think Tony.

[Dan LeBatard]

Me and Keon Dueling co host that show the crossover out every Monday and Thursday. Keon Dueling hasn't heard of Tony's podcast. It's a real podcast with 10 day Tony and Keon Dueling.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Dan said it with the tone of something he would never listen to, ever.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's fine.

[Chris]

And clearly he hasn't.

[Dan LeBatard]

It wasn't just him. It was like, who else would listen to that? That has to be fake. And thank God for the setup and us being resolute in playing this game because we have just given Danny great shame.

[Chris Cody]

You have.

[Chris]

Dan's redder than me.

[Chris Cody]

No. Well, so. Yes.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Do you want to apologize to Tony?

[Chris Cody]

Not yet.

[Dan LeBatard]

I do not support him. You don't have to apologize. It's fine.

[Chris Cody]

I don't think any of you played.

[Zaza Pachulia]

You for a sucker.

[Dan LeBatard]

I almost threw a pen right at Chris Cody's neck when he. Right.

[Chris]

I'm an idiot. As soon as he said it, I'm.

[Chris Cody]

Like, tony, isn't that yours?

[Dan LeBatard]

My Chris Cody mother. And he stopped.

[Chris]

In Dan's defense, if he had said the crossover with Keon dueling and Tony, then you would have probably picked up on it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, but I'm trying to trick him.

[Chris]

Who has top billing.

[Chris Cody]

So the. The bit failed because I was getting too many. Right. About Chris Pronger. Okay, but it was so. But then, so right. So in order to dunk on me at the end, the perfect way to do that so that I would fall trap in a way that would allow me to be exposed more than your dad was yesterday, is for me to fall in the hole of. Oh, I didn't realize that Tony had a podcast with Keon dueling. I'm not going to be able to take that back. That just happened. I will say in my meager defense.

[Dan LeBatard]

I hadn't heard of it.

[Chris]

I'd seen of it.

[Chris Cody]

Keon dueling is an excellent talker and always has been.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like, Chris.

[Chris]

You had heard of Chris Pronger Kick save and abuse.

[Chris Cody]

Well, I mean, but I'm not saying anything that's wrong there. He doesn't actually. I mean, I mean, it's all lips.

[Dan LeBatard]

Amin was actually one of our first maiden voyage guests on the crossover. I saw that. I support you.

[Chris Cody]

How many episodes have there been that I've missed?

[Dan LeBatard]

We started the NBA season with them. I was on one.

[Chris]

Dan, I can't believe you didn't watch. You guys already had Jeremy talking.

[Dan LeBatard]

He good start for the Heat.

[Chris]

I'm an NBA reporter.

[Zaza Pachulia]

That was so insulting the way Chris did that.

[Chris Cody]

Chris is a legend and Jeremy's not by your proclamation.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah, can we get back to that, too?

[Chris Cody]

How close does Amin to being a south Florida legend?

[Dan LeBatard]

Two time Emmy win.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, I mean, he's not a south Florida legend.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's a mayor of heat island.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, I understand, but I don't think people equate a mean to Miami.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know. He used to work, brother.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I mean, am I wrong about that?

[Amin Elhassan]

You're wrong about that because everywhere I go, people think I live in Miami. They think. They think I'm caping for the Miami Heat. They think I'm all in the tank for the city of Miami and south Florida. And I'm like, I don't live there.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's in the tank for Kendall flannies.

[Amin Elhassan]

Boy, let me tell you something. A zip line from the top of the elser straight to Kendall. Get it done.

[Chris Cody]

John Moynihan.

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Chris]

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[Amin Elhassan]

Don LeBatard.

[Zaza Pachulia]

John, can you rate my Al Pacino from that billiard scene in Carlito's Way? If I do it for you? I think it's pretty good.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stugarts.

[Zaza Pachulia]

You think you're Big Tom or you're going to die big time.

[Amin Elhassan]

That is on my infamous scale of 1 to 10.

[Chris Cody]

That's a.

[Zaza Pachulia]

That's a 7.6 solid.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's a suey nominee right there. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Chris Cody]

Let's do Amin's weekend observations.

[Zaza Pachulia]

It is time for Amin to share his game notes. No one in the media will tell.

[Amin Elhassan]

You what happened better than my boy.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean.

[Amin Elhassan]

Weekend observations is brought to you by Miller Light.

[Chris Cody]

Dan.

[Amin Elhassan]

Had a rough weekend. This week's weekend observations will be brief. Georgia Tech lost to Pitt. It's a dumb sport anyway. Who cares? College basketball season's here.

[Chris Cody]

I thought you were gonna rally. That pick six broke your heart.

[Amin Elhassan]

I thought they were gonna rally too. I was waiting. I had the text all written. And then maybe not so much. Chris Paul's retiring. Kind of wish to. Gusa's here. Hey, like, that's the patron saint of Chris Paul talk. Let's see what else we got. Oh, I guess hell has descended on New Mexico because our brows got another job.

[Chris]

We're already at hell.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, no.

[Chris Cody]

It's at him. That's all he's got for weeks.

[Amin Elhassan]

Other weekend observations.

[Dan LeBatard]

Thanksgiving week. Wow.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I mean, is Chris Paul gonna ask for a trade like mid season if this is this final year where he can try and latch onto a champion.

[Amin Elhassan]

To do what? To be. To get DNP CDs on in Denver. I mean, what, the guy's not playing for the Clippers? That. I think that's like the. The sign that it's over.

[Chris Cody]

He. Okay. The expiration date on the human body. He. He was great. Five years past. Any reason to be great for five years? And this is the end of his career. And it doesn't end on his terms necessarily. He's quitting because he's done. He's, he washed.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't know what his terms would be. His terms, I think his terms would be if I can still play and, but he's, he's, he's not clearly not capable of playing. I was talking about this over the weekend with Zack Harper on NBA radio and it's like people don't remember Chris Paul before the knee injury. He had a knee injury early in his career. Before that. He was quick, he was bouncy, he was athletic. He dunked on Dwight Howard once. I don't think people would ever put those two things together. Chris Paul dunking and then Dwight Howard actually trying to stop that dunk. That was all in the same play. And it happened. He had a, an injury and then he came back. He had to reimagine himself as this kind of ground bound point guard and turned into one of the best point guards in NBA history playing that way.

[Chris Cody]

How fair is it for me to say that? Chris Paul, 20 year career, amazing by any standard. Obvious, clear. Hall of Famer, maybe the best ever at his position in the discussion.

[Amin Elhassan]

Not the best. Not, not maybe the best.

[Chris Cody]

All right, among the best.

[Amin Elhassan]

Among the best ever.

[Chris Cody]

Among the best ever at his position. But also how high on the list of his word associations is going to be that he did the thing all the time that was present last night in the Carolina 49ers game where he is known as somebody who will hit you in the junk repeatedly, has an assortment of incidents. How high is it on his resume? He is, as Tony said, a honker.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, he's a habitual nut tapper. I don't know if you remember, Dan, years and years and years ago, me, you and Tom Habistro did a video that never saw the light of day because Disney got too scared because we were talking about nut taps. It was. The entire video was just the greatest hits. Release the files of Chris Paul hitting somebody in the junk and they just would not air it. They wouldn't even air it digitally. That was how, how I guess offensive we were. But I think given the events of like, oh, I don't know, the past eight years or so, it would air today.

[Chris Cody]

Well, it ended with me pointing out that Tom Haberstrough's head looked like a human testicle more than anybody in. You do remember in media. I do remember that, but I thought that aired somewhere. But how high on the list does this go? Like Chris Paul, that's an amazing achievement as a career. We talk so much about spoiled legacies. I'm dead serious when I ask you how much does he soil his legacy with the fact that that's his reputation with that part?

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't think soils his legacy. His legacy is soiled, I think more by high profile shortcomings in the playoffs. I think those are the things. Obviously he's been on teams that blew 31 leads. He's been on a team that law that blew a 20 lead in the finals. And so he's got a lot of those on his resume there. There's the Internet is very strong in creating reputations that are, that are unfair. Chris Paul being unclutch is one of them. The nut tapping. I think we've kind of gotten away from it. But like if his career ended like three years ago, I think it would still be top of mind. I don't know how many people associate nut tapping with Chris.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chris Kamen sighting. Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Chris Kamen is furious about this. There's a whole montage you'll get.

[Amin Elhassan]

I think we did a whole, whole video. We had like an eight minute video.

[Chris Cody]

We could do it. How many would we come up with? A dozen? Ten?

[Amin Elhassan]

Well I, I, the ones I can remember off top of my head. Cayman was one.

[Chris Cody]

It goes Forest though, playing Awake Forest.

[Amin Elhassan]

He had Julius Hodge in, in the, in the junk. Well, I did a. Man. We had Julius Hodge do a video for us one time that was. We did a lot of Chris Paul nut tapping videos. Now that I think about was great content back in the day before he got older. Ah, those are the days. I mean that's a Kevin Durant, right? Yeah.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I mean which point guards are definitely ahead of Chris Paul? All time.

[Amin Elhassan]

Magic Johnson, Jason Kidd, Stockton, Steve Nash, Gary Payton. Those are. Yeah, I'll go with those. No, get koozie up out of here. Shot 36 for his but for the Arrow.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just did.

[Zaza Pachulia]

What about Davion Mitchell?

[Amin Elhassan]

Davion Mitchell, close. I think he needs a couple more years.

[Chris Cody]

Zazzle says he's not going to watch dodgeball now. I mean I don't even know.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yeah, I'm not watching it.

[Chris Cody]

I don't know what happened.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I'm not watching.

[Chris Cody]

I don't know what happened.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes, I'm, I'm glad this came up because I actually have in my hand here. I've been doing some, some reporting, some Pablo Torre level reporting here. Would you like to hear the inaugural episode of Bemino Hassan finds out.

[Chris Cody]

I would love that. Does it have any imaging? Do you need any help from.

[Amin Elhassan]

No.

[Chris Cody]

You're gonna do.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, I'll do it acapella. Unless Chris has something. I don't want to put him in a bad situation.

[Chris Cody]

Too late.

[Chris]

I mean.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, there it is. Thank you, Chris.

[Dan LeBatard]

I love your artistic process. Some. Some dudes do it with confidence. You do it by screaming the effort off Mike several times.

[Zaza Pachulia]

South Florida legend.

[Dan LeBatard]

But that's what got you that status.

[Chris Cody]

I mean. I mean, it's got to give you a heads up.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's your fault.

[Chris]

He said it.

[Chris Cody]

You're over. Do we have any imaging that you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Brought up that wasn't his locally? Not since Duncan Robinson has someone been so afraid to do their own job.

[Amin Elhassan]

He's doing well, by the way, in Detroit. Thank you.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, I thought you meant twice. They've lost. They've lost twice.

[Amin Elhassan]

Two years after they set the record for most losses in a row, they're setting a franchise record for most wins in a row. It's the most amazing turnaround in NBA history.

[Chris Cody]

As soon as they got rid of Stan.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, that's not. No, no, no. It's not Stan's fault that. Hey, Dan Levator. It's not Stan's fault, but that's not what.

[Chris Cody]

It's Monty Williams's fault.

[Amin Elhassan]

Williams fault?

[Chris]

What did you find out?

[Amin Elhassan]

I found out, actually. Let me. Let me do this. Let me do the Socratic method and ask some questions. Hey, Zaz.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Hey.

[Amin Elhassan]

You call yourself a movie buff?

[Zaza Pachulia]

I'm a great movie guy. Great movie guy.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay, I have a report here in my hand that you haven't seen Rush Hour.

[Zaza Pachulia]

No, I admitted that yesterday. You didn't find something you can't do. Mean finds out when it came out of my mouth.

[Chris]

Said it on yesterday's show.

[Amin Elhassan]

You haven't seen Rush Hour 2?

[Zaza Pachulia]

No. Why would I miss Rush Hour? But then watch. Skip ahead to Rush Hour 2.

[Dan LeBatard]

It would be a weird move.

[Amin Elhassan]

Rush Hour 2 is a better movie. That's why you sit here in front of God and country, claim to be a movie buff, and have not seen the biggest grossing movie of Jackie Chan's career. An international massive superstar.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Whatever, man.

[Chris]

Hey, everyone, it's Jeremy here, and I want to talk to you about Black Friday game day, because Black Friday game day is coming to prime with an epic day of live sports. Black Friday football is back with the Chicago Bears taking on the Philadelphia Eagles at 3pm Eastern. That's followed by an Emirates NBA cup double header. Bucks, Knicks at 7pm and Mavs Lakers at 10pm and the whole day starts with the Capital One Skins game as four elite PGA golfers meet with $4 million on the line. Black Friday game day, the Capital One Skins game at 9am Bears Eagles NFL action at 3pm and the final night of Emirates NBA cup group play with Bucs Knicks at 7 and Mavs Lakers at 10. Only on Prime.

[Zaza Pachulia]

On Fox One, you can stream your.

[Dan LeBatard]

Favorite live sports so you're there for the biggest moments as they happen. For me, I cannot deal with spoilers so I need to see it live. Especially on college football Saturdays and NFL Sundays with Fox 1. You get it all. NASCAR, the MLB postseason edge of your seat plays, jaw dropping moments and that.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Rush like you're right there in the action.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sports are meant to be watched live and you can do that with Fox one. Fox one we live for live streaming now.

[Amin Elhassan]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Amin Elhassan]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Get Black Friday savings happening now at the Home Depot.

[Amin Elhassan]

Limit one per transaction exclusion supply full.

[Dan LeBatard]

Eligible tool list in store and online. Don LeBatard, you getting started on the breakfast flan?

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, man, I've been singing a song to myself all morning long, but breakfast flats. Have you never heard the breakfast flan?

[Chris Cody]

No.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hit me with it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay. I wish I had some breakfast fl. Where can I find a breakfast like that?

[Zaza Pachulia]

This is the Dan Levitar show with the stuff.

[Chris Cody]

What did you find out? What he told his latest episode of how is your journalism?

[Amin Elhassan]

I listened to yesterday's show. Pablo Tori finds out comes out on Metal Arc Media. Amino hasn't finds out comes out on the slow report.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Zazzle found. Zazzle said something. I found out.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, so he didn't see Rush Hour. Did you have him pinned in any other way? Why are you not watching dodgeball?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Because it's been built up too much. Like, I was on the plane this past weekend on my way to Madison. It was really cold there. That's neither here or there. And I was wondering, do I want to watch dodgeball? I was like, no, no. You know what? It's been built up too much. There's no way. There's no way. It's. It's as good as everybody's making it sound to be. And like, I don't care. I've gone this much in my life without seeing dodgeball. I've never once said, man, I wish I diddgeball.

[Chris Cody]

Everybody listening to this would say that dodgeball was good, was fine. I'm sorry. No, no, no, no.

[Amin Elhassan]

You know what? Dodgeball, I give you grace. You don't have to watch it. You didn't watch it. Not a big deal. You never seen Rush Hour, brother.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Who cares?

[Amin Elhassan]

This is more shocking than dodgeball. Than James Bond, the Rambo, then all that stuff. You've never seen the Rush Hour movies? My children have seen the Rush Hour movies. Listen, clamor for Rush Hour.

[Zaza Pachulia]

You make it sound like the only way that you're. You're a movie person is if you've seen every movie.

[Amin Elhassan]

Who?

[Zaza Pachulia]

I don't see every movie. Who cares?

[Amin Elhassan]

There are certain movies that are on the list that you can have missed. Rush Hour and Rush Hour 2 are two of them. Rush Hour 3, not so much. A lot of people miss Rush Hour three. Rightfully so. They just did it for the money. But Rush Hour, Rush Hour two, I'm telling you, my niece came over like, a couple of months ago, and my kids were like, oh, we gotta show a Rush Hour. I'm like, oh, you guys don't want to watch, like, the new Disney? Oh, we gotta watch Rush Hour. And they sat there, they watched four hours of Jackie Chan and Chris Tucker cracking wise and roundhouse kicking people. You think Rush Hour, he does his own stunts?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Of course. Of course I know he does his own stunts. How do you know?

[Chris Cody]

You haven't seen the movie?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Because I've seen other Jackie Chan movies.

[Dan LeBatard]

So you missed the best one.

[Amin Elhassan]

Know anything?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Rush Hour is not a classic.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's Jackie Chan's best movie.

[Chris]

After the credits, you get all the, like, mistakes he made trying to jump over the wall.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Oh, I fell.

[Dan LeBatard]

I like when movies do great soundtrack too. Can I get a what?

[Chris]

What?

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, yes, that's right. And beach boards also.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Whatever, man. I would maybe see Rush Hour, but dodgeball, I'm out on at this point. I don't care.

[Chris Cody]

I think.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't care if you don't watch.

[Chris Cody]

No, but I think you're making a mistake. I think every. I think dodgeball holds up. I don't think he's going to be disappointed by dodgeball.

[Zaza Pachulia]

It's not about it not holding up. It's just like, who cares?

[Chris Cody]

Whatever.

[Amin Elhassan]

Then if he hasn't seen Rush Hour at some point, like, I just have to assume he's never seen any movies. Like, have you seen The Karate Kid.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Really? That makes a lot of sense. If I haven't seen a movie, that means I haven't seen any movie. Movies. That's logical.

[Amin Elhassan]

Pretty much. I can't assume anything with you. I gotta ask you things like, have you seen the Karate Kid?

[Dan LeBatard]

Why is this sound so going?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Because, I mean, found something out that I said.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. I mean.

[Amin Elhassan]

Wait, hold on. He's. He's avoiding the answer.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Have I seen Karate Kid?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes.

[Zaza Pachulia]

You better not be talking about the one with Jackie Chan. I would never watch that.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm talking about Karate Kid.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes, the original. Of course I have.

[Amin Elhassan]

Have you seen Karate Kid, too?

[Zaza Pachulia]

Yes.

[Amin Elhassan]

Where does it take place?

[Zaza Pachulia]

In Okinawa.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh.

[Chris]

What happened there?

[Chris Cody]

What just happened?

[Zaza Pachulia]

That's how you say it.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's how you culturally appropriate.

[Zaza Pachulia]

That's how you say it.

[Chris Cody]

I don't think that's the way you.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Know about breaking that ice.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, go ahead.

[Zaza Pachulia]

You know about those six ice sheets?

[Dan LeBatard]

Most people don't know this. Zaza's a great Asian guy. Go for it.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Amin Elhassan]

You know.

[Chris Cody]

You know.

[Chris]

How long are you going to love me?

[Chris Cody]

No, we're not going to.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jeremy, you're going to love this. Approaching Eskimo territory. Jeremy said it.

[Chris]

Accident, racism.

[Dan LeBatard]

Me. I don't know if that's, say, Godzilla on your way up. Don't do that. You guys, don't do that. You guys are gonna love it. He thought about it for a second. Do it. No, you guys are gonna love it.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, you go with him. Yes, you go with him. Because you did the same thing. You lured him into that trap. I mean, how can you honestly say to Zaslav. Do you understand how extraordinarily bad your judgment is where you're prodding Zazlow? Yes. Good idea. Do. Do something that's not your ethnicity. Go ahead. And then he falls into your trap.

[Amin Elhassan]

Look, we're not Zaza's everyday voice.

[Chris Cody]

We're not playing a character with Zaslow. Zaslow dresses that way for Madison because he's not a grown up. You can't lure him into these little traps and think he's an adult. He's not an adult. He's been shouting on his own show to himself without any money, without anybody there to check him for very long time. And he's a legend. And you can't just lure him into the trap of. Please. Go ahead. Impersonate a cast member of the Karate Kid. Like, come on. Attaboy. Come on.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm climbing up the judgment ranks. Huh? Dan?

[Chris Cody]

What?

[Amin Elhassan]

What are y' all doing? Video room.

[Chris Cody]

It's no, Nick. Can't do that.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, Dan, I can take us off this.

[Chris]

Let's redraft.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's go to 2024 NBA draft. Because we had this big situation where. Where Zazzle said that Khaleel. Where would have gone first. I said, I think Stefan Castle would have gone first. Amin, you're the judge. What do you think?

[Amin Elhassan]

Hold on, man. We got the audio. Audience has to know.

[Chris Cody]

No, we can't. No, we cannot keep it moving. I mean, this is how you audience. Oh, that's. We're gonna keep it moving. So. Oh, my God. As. As before, we let you go here. What do you make of the Draymond Green Paul Pierce saying that dream?

[Chris]

Just forget what Tony asked and we go. Tony, I guess Keon dueling all over again. Who would go first overall last year's draft?

[Dan LeBatard]

Khalil.

[Chris]

Where the guy Tony said, well, look.

[Amin Elhassan]

Khalil Ware over the last.

[Chris]

I don't know his name.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. That's why I didn't want to do it. So now.

[Dan LeBatard]

But Chris just doesn't know because he doesn't watch basketball.

[Chris Cody]

Yes, I know.

[Chris]

Ball.

[Chris Cody]

Yes. Thank you. Appreciate that. Just throwing.

[Chris]

No one knows who that guy is.

[Chris Cody]

Into the feet of the show. Thank you. Rookie of the year. The larger point that Jeremy is getting excited about and Mike has been muted on is if the Heat play at this pace and Khalil Ware grows into whatever it is I was asking you the other day, hey, what's the ceiling on this? If it continues to grow, if they're going to play at a different pace? They're not as good as Detroit and they're not as good as Toronto, but they're pretty close.

[Amin Elhassan]

They're not as good as Detroit. Toronto. Toronto is good. I think Toronto is good. The same way the Miami Heat are good. Yeah, you're good. Are you like separation from the rest of the conference? I don't think so, but I think Detroit obviously is very good. But you know, to go back to the question of who would go first, I think Keller has had a great like five games here in a row. You know, he had the good game against the Knicks where with the great defensive stops at the end before that, he was kind of up and down in the same way he was up and down a year ago and castle through again, 80, what, 90 games or whatever, both of these guys careers has been the more consistent, better player. Time will tell if what we're seeing from Khalil Ware is real and sustainable, or is he just having a good streak but obviously when you talk about someone 7 foot tall could shoot and who can defend the way he can, that is always going to be tantalizing to drafters, draft board prognosticators.

[Chris Cody]

But you're not willing to commit to something there where I think this is what he is. I think he's going to blossom into some sort of growth spurt that will make him unicorn X. I think part.

[Amin Elhassan]

Of that, Dan is not a development of skill. It's not a development of like body to development of mind. Your mindset. Are you a killer in that way of. I remember on this show we were talking about what's Bam out of bio ceiling. Could Bam be like Giannis light and time told that no, he couldn't. And not because he doesn't have the physical tools or the skill or even the iq. It's just that Bam doesn't have that maniacal level of competition that Giannis has. And when I say maniacal level competition, I'm not saying that Bam cares about losing whatever. But Giannis is so crazy. It's like he, he will do whatever it takes and will have a confidence in himself that's like I'm better than everybody out here. And I don't think Bam has that vibe about him on a day to day basis. He might have in some games, but the ability to bring that every single game that often is a separator from very, very talented people. And so for Kell Ware, we know he hasn't had it coming into his career. Can he develop it? Can he learn it? Can he sustain it? It remains to be seen.

[Chris]

If you're redrafting last year's draft though, real quick, just to answer Tony's question, who are you taking? First overall Kellogg.

[Amin Elhassan]

Were based on the 90 feature.

[Chris]

No, based off the next 10 years. Right now make sure you take you.

[Amin Elhassan]

Go killer because you go side hot Tony.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ha.

[Amin Elhassan]

But like, but, but Stephon Castle's had the better career to this point before.

[Chris Cody]

Before we let you go on basketball related matters as a former sons person. The ISHBA lawsuit. Is that something that you can condense for us in a fashion. The minority owners saying that he's a mismanagement fool.

[Amin Elhassan]

I can't condense it. No. Let's leave that for another day where we got a little bit more time.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right. I have a different question for Amin finds out then dating back to last year when Rosier felt out of the rotation, Miami closed the season strongly, got into the playoffs. You're talking about the Pistons. You're talking about The Heat exceeding expectations. Is it fair to mention, hey, they started playing better when the two guys that had this stuff surrounding them are no longer playing?

[Amin Elhassan]

No, because the Pistons were playing very well last year, and Malik Beasley is a big part of their success. I think what Duncan Robinson is doing this year is great, but, I mean, it stands to reason that Malik Beasley would have been that guy hitting those shots and. And helping them win the way they. They have. Terry Rozier, obviously not as good of a player for the Heat and so not having him around it. And again, this goes back. We talked about this with SPO before. Mike SPO has this weird kind of obligation sometimes to guys that, like, I can't set that sit that guy. And Terry Rosier was one of those guys where it was like it was apparent, look, he's not helping the team win. But SPO just kept sticking with him as far as a rotation guy. So having him off the board, I think absolutely helps SPO not only trust other guys, but also make sure that that guy's not on the floor.

[Zaza Pachulia]

I mean, what'd you make of John Morant and Klay Thompson the other day?

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay. Oh, that's what I wanted to talk about. All right. So I have a theory that I don't think anyone else has said anywhere. I don't. I think everyone misunderstood Ja, his original statement, because the original thing he said was best shooter in the house and ain't that one from Golden State. And everyone thought they were talking. He's talking about the house that they were in, which is the arena in Dallas, whatever. And the one from Will say was Klay Thompson, but he was talking about Cam Spencer, his teammate. Cam Spencer's brother is Pat Spencer. Pat Spencer plays for the Golden State Warriors. I think what Joe was saying was that the best shooter in the Spencer house was Cam, and it ain't the one in Golden State. And everyone took it as a shot at Clay. And then you know how it goes with NBA guys. Once one guy starts talking, now they're both talking. Another the. The start.

[Chris Cody]

That's a found out. That's a found out.

[Chris]

I don't think he knows. Do you know that?

[Chris Cody]

Wait a minute. You got to put your found out on that. Put do the imaging on that.

[Amin Elhassan]

A deductive logic.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's a theory.

[Chris]

It's a play on for me. It's a non. He doesn't get the sounder there.

[Amin Elhassan]

How do you find out? I didn't find out. I got another one for you along those lines. Right. Kenyon Martin and Draymond Green. I thought, Dan, you'd be all over this.

[Zaza Pachulia]

Major call out.

[Chris Cody]

We're out of time.

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[Chris Cody]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Amin Elhassan]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Chris Cody]

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