Hour 2: Phrogging (feat. David Samson)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz – Episode: Hour 2: Phrogging (feat. David Samson)

Release Date: July 17, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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1. Introduction to Frogging

At the [02:22] mark, Greg Cote introduces a fascinating yet unsettling topic: "frogging." Defined as "the act of living inside the home of others without them knowing you're living there," frogging involves individuals secretly residing within hidden spaces of a house, such as walls, attics, or basements.

Greg Cote:
"It is the act of living inside the home of others without them knowing you're living there... human beings are squatting in your house, basically, and you don't know that they are there."
[02:24]

2. Exploring the Concept of Frogging

The hosts delve deeper into the implications and reality of frogging, considering its portrayal in media and its real-life occurrences, especially among celebrities.

Billy Corben:
"I found an example of celebrities who have had this happen. JLo once had somebody break into and live in a pool house for a full week before they were caught by security. Brad Pitt had a lady who was caught after 10 hours."
[04:56]

Greg Cote:
"It just seems horrifying to think that that's something that could happen in your home."
[05:16]

The discussion touches on the psychological aspects, suggesting that frogging often stems from desperation and may sometimes carry a voyeuristic thrill.

David Samson:
"Safe to say that people are inventing new ways to please themselves. And I feel like that's probably one of them."
[04:10]

3. Frogging as a Potential Reality Show Concept

Stugotz humorously speculates on turning frogging into a reality competition, imagining contestants attempting to live undetected in others' homes.

Stugotz:
"I feel like what you got to do is you go to, like, a neighborhood and you say, like, oh, you know, we're rebuilding your park and we just need to have cameras in your home or whatever. You get them to sign off on the consent, and then you have, like, four houses and four contestants, and you see who can live in someone else's home the longest."
[05:37]

4. Transition to Sports Coaching: Brian Kelly vs. Ryan Day

Shifting gears, the conversation turns to college football coaching, specifically focusing on Brian Kelly of LSU and Ryan Day of Ohio State. The hosts debate their capabilities, legacies, and the pressures they face to win big games.

Greg Cote:
"Greg Cote: So just I'm of the understanding that Nick Saban will have a forever legacy, at least in part because of what it is that he did at Alabama and in that conference. Okay. But Brian Kelly at LSU as highest paid, sexiest coaching leadership thing that you can get."
[18:22]

Rebecca:
"He didn't win a championship at Notre Dame, but he did get Notre Dame back."
[14:25]

The discussion critically examines Kelly's performance at LSU, comparing it to Saban's enduring success at Alabama, and questions whether Ryan Day can elevate his legacy similarly.

Greg Cote:
"He's more than a champion. He also has like, if it's not the highest, it's one of the highest career win percentages as a head coach. He's a good coach. He just... can't beat Michigan, which is their biggest rival."
[20:51]

5. Debating Coaching Legacies and Game Management

The panel debates the broader implications of coaching strategies, specifically in high-stakes games. They discuss how certain coaches manage (or mismanage) crucial moments, influencing their reputations.

Juju:
"I thought it used to be mean and crotchety, but now like, wow, just totally changed it for me. Really nice guy."
[16:31]

Greg Cote:
"You never shut up."
[25:05]

The conversation reflects on how coaches' abilities to handle pressure and maintain team morale contribute significantly to their legacies.

6. The Pitch Clock: Baseball Trivia and Analysis

In the latter half of the episode, the hosts engage in "The Pitch Clock," a two-part baseball segment combining trivia and expert analysis. Hosted by Mike Ryan with participation from Billy Corben, Greg Cote, Juju, Rebecca, and Taylor, the segment features a lively trivia game focusing on All-Star Game MVPs from 1990 to 2009.

Mike Ryan:
"Welcome to the Pitch Clock. Here's the Pitch. A two-part baseball segment combining a nostalgic baseball trivia game and an interview with an expert."
[27:11]

Highlights from the Trivia Game:

• Participants grapple with questions about specific MVPs, showcasing their knowledge and competitive spirit.
• Notable Moments:
  • Billy Corben successfully identifies Garrett Anderson as the 2003 Red Sox All-Star MVP.
    "It is Garrett Anderson."
    [34:54]
  • Mike Ryan struggles with identifying certain MVPs, leading to lighthearted banter and humorous exchanges.
    "This is one where a lifeline would have helped."
    [43:04]

7. Predictions and Season Outlook

Post-trivia, the hosts and guests share their predictions for the remainder of the baseball season, including potential postseason races and MVP contenders.

Dan LeBatard:
"My prediction is that the Red Sox win the pennant and they end up facing the big, bad Dodgers. It's such a horrible pick."
[40:05]

Mike Ryan:
"He's going to make the guess that first came to mind. And it might be wrong. It might end up being a name we've used a lot here."
[41:29]

The segment concludes with insights into team performance, player statistics, and strategic moves expected at the trade deadline.

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Key Takeaways

• Frogging: An alarming yet intriguing phenomenon where individuals clandestinely reside within others' homes, discussed with both concern and speculative humor about its portrayal and potential reality TV adaptation.

• Coaching Debates: In-depth discussions on the legacies of college football coaches Brian Kelly and Ryan Day, examining their successes, challenges, and the expectations placed upon them to secure championships.

• Baseball Insights: An engaging trivia segment that not only tests the hosts' knowledge but also provides expert analysis on current baseball standings, notable players, and upcoming season highlights.

Notable Quotes:

• Greg Cote on Frogging:
  "It is the act of living inside the home of others without them knowing you're living there."
  [02:24]

• David Samson on Human Behavior:
  "Safe to say that people are inventing new ways to please themselves."
  [04:10]

• Dan LeBatard on Red Sox Prediction:
  "My prediction is that the Red Sox win the pennant and they end up facing the big, bad Dodgers."
  [40:05]

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz skillfully weaves together unconventional topics like frogging with in-depth sports analysis, providing listeners with both entertainment and thoughtful commentary.

Transcript

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[Greg Cote]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach podcast. I learned a phrase that I had not known before. And I'm curious how many of you know. What I'm about to say is the word is called frogging and it's spelled ph. Do you guys know what ph frogging is? Is any of you?

[Juju]

I don't.

[Rebecca]

No.

[Greg Cote]

It is. And I'm glad I don't feel alone with this because I'm like, what am I watching here? It was a television show, frogging. Put it on the Poll Juju at Lebatard show. Do you know what frogging is spelled with a ph. It is the act of living inside the home of others without them knowing you're living there. That a home is large enough that people can live in the walls, in the attic, in the basement, in places where you. Your family don't go. And human beings are squatting in your house, basically, and you don't know that they are there. And I didn't know how common it was.

[Billy Corben]

It's like encanto. Bruno's in the walls whole time. Spoiler alert.

[Juju]

Yeah, we don't talk about him.

[Greg Cote]

Can you imagine the idea of this? And can you look up for me any information on this, on what the circumstances? Obviously, there would be some desperation involved. And there are a number of times with television shows like My Weird Addict, I think I want to watch something and then I start watching it, and it's something I really don't want to be watching. Just because, you know, these pimple shows, pimple popping shows or whatever. Some of these things that get popular because they have some visual shock value, and you realize I'm curious, but I'm not that curious. Frogging seems like a desperate and sad situation, but I didn't know if there was any sort of voyeuristic. I didn't end up watching any of this show. Whether there was any sort of voyeuristic thrill or some sort of, you know, weirdness that somebody or multiple people were accentuating by trying to get away with living in the home of someone else in order to make their life, you know, have a higher energy to it.

[David Sampson]

Safe to say that people are inventing new ways to please themselves. And I feel like that's probably one of them.

[Greg Cote]

So you think this is erotica, that frogging is erotica.

[David Sampson]

There's gotta be a subsection of the people that do it that are like.

[Billy Corben]

Yeah, this is it for me.

[Greg Cote]

I would think that Stugach, just as a lover of the scam and as an aficionado and a connoisseur of the scam that he would approve of the appreciate the degree of difficulty of trying to live in somebody else's home without them knowing that you're living there. Now, you understand, these are people that are just coming and going to sleep in your home. Mostly, I would think, I don't like.

[Rebecca]

Or they're just seeing if they can do it and get away with it.

[Stugatz]

By not having parties or anything.

[Billy Corben]

I found an example of, like, celebrities who have had this happen. JLo once had somebody break into and live in a pool house for a full week before they were caught by security. Brad Pitt had a lady who was caught after 10 hours. So, yeah. I mean, it can range.

[Greg Cote]

Well, these are stalkers, and this is obviously that in the stalking instances, those are mental illness situations. But I know nothing about this. I'm just coming upon it. And I haven't even watched the television show the Watch, so I'm not familiar with any details here. It just seems horrifying to think that that's something that could happen in your.

[Stugatz]

Home, especially a manor. A manor has plenty of room for frogging. A mansion, not as much, right? Yeah.

[Greg Cote]

Manor and a mansion, I think, are things that. I think both of those. I think this is the. If. If it's a complaint to be had, it must be a complaint by only people with big homes. I don't think that you can get away with this.

[David Sampson]

Like, a 1200 square foot house and.

[Greg Cote]

You'Re like, hey, what are you doing here? Oh, shit, my bad.

[Stugatz]

This has reality competition honestly written all over it. Like, I feel like what you got to do is you go to, like, a neighborhood and you say, like, oh, you know, we're rebuilding your park and we just need to have cameras in your home or whatever. You get them to sign off on the consent, and then you have, like, four houses and four contestants, and you see who can live in someone else's home the longest. But you trick them through, you know.

[Rebecca]

Right.

[Stugatz]

Lies, essentially.

[Rebecca]

But there has to be a manor in that neighborhood, because you're right about that.

[Stugatz]

Yeah. Manners make it harder.

[David Sampson]

There's no neighborhoods, though.

[Greg Cote]

There are no neighborhoods with manners.

[Stugatz]

I mean, manors are essentially neighborhoods. I wouldn't do it with a manor. I do it, like, in a regular home, you know? Then you go in there. If you're the guy, you do the old trick that Tony's talked about. Time to time, you walk around the ladder like, no, no, I'm in production over here.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah.

[David Sampson]

Okay, let's go over here.

[Billy Corben]

It makes sen. But it seems guest houses and pool houses seem to be the biggest targets here.

[David Sampson]

How do you get in between the walls with nobody knowing?

[Billy Corben]

Ask Bruno.

[David Sampson]

That seemed. That seems like it'd be difficult. Like, I want to take off a piece of drywall and, like, shimmy back in there and be like, all right.

[Billy Corben]

A whole, like, apartment in there.

[Juju]

I assume through the attic.

[Greg Cote]

Yes. The Attic, more events, crawl space, basements, places that aren't terribly occupied. We'll get more information on this and bring it to you as it develops in Miami.

[David Sampson]

The guy's cooked in the attic, by the way.

[Juju]

There's no way he's making it.

[Greg Cote]

Oh, God. You're just.

[David Sampson]

Frogging does not exist here.

[Stugatz]

If. I mean, if. If there's like a, you know, like a group of froggers, I don't know what they would call frogs.

[Mike Ryan]

Whatever.

[Stugatz]

They are like a, you know, colony of froggers out there. They could actually pull off this idea for a reality show without actually having it as a show. Like, if you're kind of like, defraud people, just buy a camera and say that that's what you're doing and then see how long you can do this while convincing these people that they're living on it. On a reality show.

[Billy Corben]

I have to admit, if I caught what I thought was somebody living in my house and they were like, you're on a game show? I'd be like, oh, shit.

[Greg Cote]

Cool.

[Stugatz]

Yeah. Where are the cameras? No, I win.

[Greg Cote]

Not. How long have you been watching me? How long have you lived in my drywall?

[Rebecca]

He'd be happy.

[Billy Corben]

When's it air?

[Stugatz]

Why does make me so perverted? Maybe this person takes perverted.

[Juju]

I don't know.

[Stugatz]

I assume they're watching me take a poop.

[Greg Cote]

You know, when's it air says Chris Cody? Chris, I. I left yesterday laughing at your contention that it's a slippery slope, that we are very close to going from interviewing Clayton Kershaw while he's throwing a pitch to ending up invading his privacy in the bedroom.

[Billy Corben]

Who wouldn't watch that? Like Paul Skeens. I mean.

[Greg Cote]

What do you mean? Who would watch that? Wait a minute.

[David Sampson]

Paul Skeens would watch Clayton Kershaw or I would watch Paul Skeens.

[Stugatz]

Why Paul Skeens?

[Billy Corben]

The latter.

[Rebecca]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Have you not seen him?

[David Sampson]

Gotcha.

[Greg Cote]

Hold on a second.

[Rebecca]

He's right about.

[Greg Cote]

Hold on a second. So just. I'd like for everyone to absorb that Chris Cody is saying that the slippery slope is if I talk to Clayton Kershaw while he's throwing a pitch in an interview in game. How far are we really from invading Clayton Kershaw's privacy in the bedroom? Chris is claiming. The claim is that we've gotten so intimate with the athlete that our next stop is Zach Wheelers rummaging through his toiletries, that we are gonna keep going into the privacy of athletes when all I want is more and more access. I want. I Want all of the walls to fall on access so that we can talk to players all the time when they're playing, don't you think? Don't you always listen to those trash talking videos that in basketball where they do the lip reading for you or they provide the subtitles so you can actually hear what these players are saying to each other and that it's crueler than you thought it was?

[Juju]

Yeah, I always try to read the lips or I watch the videos of other people reading the lips, but sometimes it's. They're wrong. Oftentimes I think a lot of it's confirmation bias. We saw that with like the Chelsea cup celebration where people were wrong on what Rhys James was saying to the President.

[Stugatz]

I think we're pretty far. I'm just gonna go out on a limb. I think we're pretty far from that.

[Rebecca]

But like watching Clayton Kershaw have sex.

[Stugatz]

Yes. I think. Imagine though, like you go in and like it's all star game week and they mic you up. You're like, what's this for? And it's like, should have been paying attention to the CBA meetings.

[Greg Cote]

It's weird that you went straight to Skeens and you're wearing a pirate's hat. It's weird.

[Billy Corben]

I like Paul Skeens.

[Stugatz]

He just likes Paul Skeens, man.

[Rebecca]

He doesn't.

[Juju]

Let's Paul Skeens.

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[Rebecca]

I feel like Rebecca. I can't pronounce her her last name, but she's a great androgy. That's why you're good, man. I got to tell you, I feel like her jumps, her vaults were better. She stuck the landing on both. She should have won the goal. The only reason she didn't is because her name is not Simone Biles. Your thoughts?

[Greg Cote]

Stugats? No. This is the Dan Levatar show with.

[Mike Ryan]

The st.

[Greg Cote]

Let's play some video here that I wanted to get everyone's thoughts on. I'm wondering if for any of you, Ryan Day winning the championship with Ohio State changes anything about how you think about coach, leader. Greatness knows more than everyone else. All the stuff that got Brian Kelly hired at lsu. And Brian Kelly is very close to making the dangerous trek from. Everyone thought he was great and respected at something and then he got unmasked in front of people because we associate him with being like the first guy of this age to be like, I'm the monster free agent and I'm going to go from Notre Dame to lsu and I'm going to show you how much college football is going to change.

[Rebecca]

He didn't win a championship at Notre Dame, but he did get Notre Dame back. So I guess you're right.

[Stugatz]

Did Phil Jackson get that, like, champion guy to kind of joke at the end?

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, a little bit, yeah. He was falling. They were taking. They were taking pictures of him on the subway asleep on the way to work. But Phil Jackson got that. Not as a coach, like that was as an executive. It's not while he was still a coach. Nobody questions whether Phil Jackson's a great coach. He was terrible as an executive. But I want to play this for you because Brian Kelly, when I see this video of Brian Kelly and specifically the suit he's wearing, okay, it's meant to give off something that I feel like Brian Kelly has been trying to give off for a while. And it sold for a while, but it doesn't work so well if you're not winning. And so, and I think some of this is super silly, right? In the modern age, you're still like Urban Meyer looking down at agents who are representing 17 and 8 year olds. When all these guys are, are agents for 17 and 8 years, 18 year olds, they're someone who takes a lot more of the commission off of the talents of others. But we assign to them a strength, a leadership, a wisdom, as if those young kids couldn't do any of that without the great wisdom of Brian Kelly. But I want to just play this video for you. Wonder Aloud with you guys. How ridiculous you find all of this. The pomp and circumstance of the self important coach who's here to give off leadership and is pink and bloated and doesn't know when to talk and when not to talk because the band is too loud.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm not starting till that's over.

[Greg Cote]

Go Tigers.

[Rebecca]

Love it.

[Greg Cote]

Hmm.

[Juju]

He's kind of right though. What is he supposed to do, just wait? I mean, that's not even the most embarrassing one. When Steve Sarkeesian came out, they played the Texas A and M fight song.

[Greg Cote]

But do any of you change your opinion on Brian Kelly just based on the last couple of years?

[Juju]

Yeah, because he's so likable now.

[Greg Cote]

Has your opinion changed?

[Juju]

I thought it used to be mean and crotchety, but now like, wow, just totally changed it for me. Really nice guy.

[Stugatz]

You see him dance on that spinning platform?

[Juju]

Yeah, he's a hoot.

[Greg Cote]

What is the appraisal going to be of Ryan Day? Is he now somebody who's going to make the trek from joke to champion? Who's thought?

[Rebecca]

Depends if he wins another one.

[Greg Cote]

But is that how we're doing it? Because he had. All of us can agree, right, that going into last season, none of us would say that Ryan Day was someone who won memorable games that resulted in championship, not national championships. Ryan Day was questioned for not being Urban Meyer. Urban Meyer wins with his third string quarterback. But Ryan Day assembled what was by the end of this season, last season, irrefutably, empirically, no argument, no one saying anything. It's not about a call, it's not about a controversy. It's not about a game during the season. Oh yeah, that's the best team I saw in college football. He assembled it. It's his. It's his team. As someone who never won big games and before last season had been only associated with not winning big games.

[Rebecca]

He lost to Michigan last season.

[Stugatz]

Yeah, it took a 12 team playoff for him to win the championship. Had it not been an expanded championship, he may have lost his job last year.

[Greg Cote]

So where are we with the appraisals there on what the genius is? As I preface it by saying, here's Brian Kelly, the guy who started the revolution of what an SEC team can buy. Notre Dame's coach. When Notre Dame doesn't feel like the people who are at Notre Dame for the reasons that they're at Notre Dame, that any of those allegiances can be bought he started what was a cavalcade of. This is going to be a hell of a lot more mercenary than you think. And then after that came all that. We'll pay $5 million for a left tackle. But Brian Kelly, as CEO of your new business, wearing that suit is meant to convey presidential leadership and he does not to me, really.

[Juju]

I mean, that's his. That's his style. All that's missing is winning and then it'll get glorified.

[Rebecca]

Well, the ring is what's missing. He's done plenty of winning. I mean.

[Juju]

Yeah, well, winning there and winning there is different than, yes, most standards, but they got a ton of resources. They get good players. They. They should be in the conversation. But when you say they're not in the conversation, he will get fired because he's an outsider there and there is just this air around him that people don't like him.

[Greg Cote]

Stugats. I'm of the understanding that Nick Saban will have a forever legacy, at least in part because of what it is that he did at Alabama and in that conference. Okay. But Brian Kelly at LSU as highest paid, sexiest coaching leadership thing that you can get. Brian Kelly not winning so far at LSU and not putting together a team of athletes that are overwhelming at LSU and show it every weekend, you're really underachieving if you're not competing for the national championship at a school that made Les Miles and Ed Orgeron champions.

[Rebecca]

That's funny.

[Greg Cote]

And is responsible in one of those instances for the only team that I would consider as great as the 2001 Miami Hurricanes, the Joe Burrow LSU team that was so overwhelming that that's what the standard is at lsu. That even if you have a professional biaso like Les Miles or Ed Orgeron in charge, you're just going to be better than everyone the way Urban Meyer was when he did it with his third string quarterback. But Brian Kelly has fallen behind Stu. Guys like they. LSU was ahead the moment that it got Brian Kelly to be ahead of nil with LSU as the business. When it's the championships of Les Miles and Ed Orgeron that you have to build on, you don't even have to be good at it. You can be a joke. You can eat grass on the field and we can't understand what you're saying. You can be a joke here. Yeah, this is where Saban got his start. But what he built is so enduring and what Urban Meyer built is so enduring that even Ryan Day can grift on it. If you want to keep considering him Someone who can't win big games even if he's a champion, because he lost to Michigan last year and needed the 12 game playoff in order to win the champion.

[Stugatz]

Well, he's more than a champion. He also has like, if it's not the highest, it's one of the highest career win percentages as a head coach. He's a good coach. He just. Why he would have been in jeopardy of losing his job is he just can't beat Michigan, which is their biggest rival.

[Greg Cote]

So, so help me, because you guys were talking earlier and you made Andy Reid a joke when he was in Philadelphia, when he was in multiple Super Bowls and he was made fun of.

[Rebecca]

But he was a joke.

[Juju]

I think he was in one super bowl with Philadelphia.

[Rebecca]

People would say he could win the big one.

[Greg Cote]

Okay.

[Billy Corben]

Definitely the narrative.

[Juju]

He was routinely in the NFC Championship game and I think he only got there once.

[Rebecca]

Yes.

[Greg Cote]

Not disputing that. There were all of these questions. Just stopping you guys on joke. Like stopping you a couple of notes.

[Juju]

Well, I'm also stopping you on him making multiple Super Bowls. He only made one.

[Stugatz]

It's also the spectrum of closer to joker champion.

[Juju]

Yeah. And he was starting to replicate that formula a little bit on Kansas City.

[Stugatz]

And the first super bowl that he won down here in Miami. Like, the narrative around that was gotta win one for Andy. Like everyone was saying, like, oh, we really want coach Andy to win a Super bowl here. It wasn't like, wow, Patrick Mahomes could be this all time great. This could be the start of a run. It's like, let's try to get Andy a Super bowl here so he kind of can shake all of this criticism off of him.

[Greg Cote]

He was always. Andy Reid was always expected to contend for the championship because they were playing for a lot of championship, conference championships. And my bad. He's only got one super bowl appearance. But I don't think of joke at any point. Criticized. Yes. And also getting this one. And this, I think is more of a joke than calling Andy Reid a joke. The very idea of can't win the big one one. We thought that of Ryan Day and.

[Rebecca]

Well, he still hasn't won the big one.

[Greg Cote]

Okay. If you're gonna see Michigan. Okay. So if that's the big one, that's the big one.

[Juju]

I just changed where the big one.

[Greg Cote]

But Andy. Andy Reid didn't learn. Andy Reid didn't learn how to win the big one. Right. He didn't learn how he got Patrick.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Greg Cote]

And so he's now someone who can win the big One, even though to me it's a silly thing to say about an NFL head coach. When I saw Les Miles and Ed Orgeron win championships like, like it's not. You have this ability to win a big game because it's an ability that you take with you. Like Brian Kelly put in your briefcase and take from Notre Dame to lsu.

[Juju]

I think these are all subjective things, but there are certain data points and you could have to boost your argument. For example, I think you could be a someone that is a Super bowl champion and still have that reputation. Look at Sean Payton with the New Orleans Saints. He won a Super bowl and he lost so many games as a double digit favorite in the playoffs. And I think part of what was going on with Andy Reid was they were hosting a lot of these NFC championship games when they weren't. They were on the road against an Arizona Cardinal team that most people thought wasn't good.

[Rebecca]

They were favorites in many of them.

[Juju]

They were finding ways to lose these games. And oftentimes in big games he would have a botch down the final stretch in crunch time where you're wondering aloud what is this guy doing? He would magnify those moments by mismanagement, which is why there was a fair narrative until he got the greatest quarterback maybe ever. And also possibly learn from multiple mistakes on his resume. We've seen this. People are capable of it. Mario Criswell, terrible at time management, got other people on his staff to do that. And if you look at the analytics last year, pretty decent in. In crunch time moments when it came to analytics and clock management.

[Rebecca]

What a briefcase. I mean, what an amazing thing. Hey, what's in the briefcase? My ability to win big games.

[Greg Cote]

It's the Pulp Fiction.

[Rebecca]

What's in your briefcase?

[Greg Cote]

Briefcase? Yes. Put it on the poll at Le.

[Juju]

Batard show you got that briefcase for Abel.

[Greg Cote]

Was the thing in the Pulp Fiction briefcase. Brian Kelly's ability to win big games, or ability to win, I guess, is what I should say when the big one did. I just, I don't believe it's an accurate or fair criticism to label as much of anyone when all they have to do is win a big game to disprove that they didn't have that ability.

[Rebecca]

There's a big difference between a big game and the big game.

[Juju]

I'm confusing your confusion when. When the cliche is, man, that guy can't win a big game and then they win the big game. I see saying that like, well, I'm not saying he can win the big games. I'm saying he can't win the big game when he does the singular thing. I shut up.

[Greg Cote]

You never shut up.

[Chris Cody]

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[Taylor]

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[Billy Corben]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cote]

Mobile.com Don Lebatard Punctuate this segment with what is your strike three call?

[Billy Corben]

Strike one would be strike and then.

[Stugatz]

You stand up and you give a.

[Billy Corben]

Good point to the right stugats. That's same for strike two, but strike three. You get down low, you got your hands behind the catcher. All right, the right arm goes up into the air.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah.

[Billy Corben]

And then you finish it with the punch. The right arm flings way up into the air.

[Greg Cote]

I wish I could see that. The audio's great. This is the Dan lebatar Show with the Stugach.

[Mike Ryan]

Welcome to the Pitch Clock. Here's the Pitch. A two part baseball segment combining a nostalgic baseball trivia game and an interview with an expert. This is the Pitch Clock. We are back from the All Star break with this episode of the Pitch Club.

[Billy Corben]

I'm gonna whoop your ass for the third straight week.

[Mike Ryan]

You gotta say the thing.

[Billy Corben]

No Harry Carey this Week.

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Rebecca]

Whoa.

[Billy Corben]

Whooping your ass.

[Mike Ryan]

Holy cow.

[Billy Corben]

Going for a three peat.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow. He is going for a three piece.

[Billy Corben]

Hi, Roberta.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, that's Chris.

[Billy Corben]

Just for the people out there that really wanted to hear.

[Mike Ryan]

They do. Well, Taylor's back. Taylor's here. He has trivia for us. Sun Kiss.

[Stugatz]

Look at him.

[Mike Ryan]

Look at him. He looks beautiful. Back from Tahoe. Look at this guy. The sun shining on his face. And this episode is brought to you by the Beloit Sky Carp. That's the hat that I'm wearing right now. Go, Sky Carp. Go. Anyway, Taylor, why don't you go ahead and tell us what our trivia game is for today?

[Taylor]

In front of you guys, you see a year and a team. You have a list of of all star game MVPs from 1990 to 2009. Famously, no MVP in 2002. From the tie, three strikes and you're out format to try to help you guys out. If you get stuck before a guess, I'm offering a lifeline each. If you tell me the team you want to know, I'll tell you the catcher, pitcher, infielder, or outfielder for that. That certain guess who goes first? Please say me, Chris first, and then we'll go.

[Juju]

Jeremy.

[Billy Corben]

Jeff Conan, 1995.

[Taylor]

Mr. Marlin is correct.

[Mike Ryan]

God damn it. That's the only one I was sure about. All right, I'm going to go.

[Billy Corben]

Ooh.

[Mike Ryan]

2001 Orioles. Cal Ripken Jr.

[Taylor]

It is Cal Ripken Jr.

[Greg Cote]

Here.

[Billy Corben]

Let's go. 97, Manny Ramirez.

[Taylor]

That's gonna be the first strike for Chris, man.

[Billy Corben]

They played the Marlins in the World Series that year.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm gonna. I'm gonna try not to go, like, overboard on anything here. Right. So I'm gonna just try to stick with a guy who I know had an amazing season in this year. 1999 Red Red Sox. Pedro Martinez.

[Taylor]

It is Pedro Martinez.

[Billy Corben]

Nice pitcher. Mvp.

[Mike Ryan]

I think back then they sometimes let them throw more than, like, eight pitches. I might be different era. I don't know what he did, but he might have thrown three innings. Our 2025 Major League Baseball expert on this week's episode of the Pitch Clock is David Sampson of Nothing Personal with David Sampson. David, welcome back. Welcome back to the Pitch Clock. I appreciate you joining us, and I'm excited to dive into all things baseball here because it's All Star Week. We're about to get to the second half, but I want to start with the All Star festivities. The Home Run Derby, the All Star Game. There were claims on our show on Wednesday that it was the best day in the history of baseball. Everybody loved how the All Star Game went. I want to ask you your three favorite moments from the All Star festivities.

[Dan LeBatard]

My number one favorite moment was the end of the sixth inning and the way they honored Hank Aaron and Homer number 7:15 on July 15th. They did this. When you look at that honor and people forget what Hank Aaron went through as he was chasing Babe Ruth, it's such an important thing because we normally only talk about Jackie Robinson, and Hank Aaron did not have it easy by any stretch, and that honor was well worth it. That's one, two. Boy, do I love access. I love giving the fans an opportunity to hear what's going on between pitcher and catcher. And when Clayton Kershaw was interviewed and the moment he had when he told Smoltzy that he didn't have a cutter.

[Mike Ryan]

It was in the middle of his wide gun. It was incredible.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm all in. I. I heard Chris Cody criticizing that. Give me a break. It's the greatest thing that can happen because it's an exhibition, for crying out loud. And then I would say my third favorite thing was when I was able to watch the swing off and be right, having been on Dan's show the day before and said, you know, all these players bail. They're gone by the end of the game. And people saying, oh, what do you know? You're just Sampson. Meanwhile, Judge Ohtani Rawley gone, like, totally Acuna, see you later.

[Mike Ryan]

Left the building.

[Dan LeBatard]

So that is why you had our guy Kyle Stowers do it, which was fun for him. Great home run that he hit.

[Mike Ryan]

A really, really special event. And that's not even including Cal Raleigh winning the Home Run Derby, which was so special. But the first half of the season is over, so it's, it's time to sort of look ahead here. David. So I want to know which teams and, and races toward the postseason are you most looking forward to watching in the second half of this season as we set the table?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, there's two races. I was a National League east guy for all 18 of my years in baseball, so I hate the Phillies and I hate the Mets. And the fact is, one of them has to win. And so what I'm eagerly looking forward to is who loses, because one of them is not going to win the division, and they keep going back and forth. It's fun to watch. And the other one, it's unbelievable. My hometown, Milwaukee, Wisconsin, the Brewers are maybe the top one, two, or three, certainly on the podium of the best stories of the season. And that's without Mizarowski. And can Milwaukee keep going? Will they get help at the deadline? Will Yellich, our main man, Yelly, stay healthy for the rest of the year? He's having a great year. He's so good. Their pitching staff, I think they need. I went on Milwaukee radio the other day and they said, what? What do we need? I said, you need CC Sabathia, and he's going into the hall of Fames July 25th. He's not available, but that's a reference to when the brewers made that trade at the deadline to get and rent Sabathia. You could be looking at a really, really good team who could do some damage and maybe. Maybe get Milwaukee its first ever World Series. I can't even dream that big, but I think that that that's a race. I'm watching.

[Mike Ryan]

I love that Sabathia reference because I also. It's not correct, but it felt like he also hit 15 home runs in his, like, eight starts to back when. When pitchers could hit.

[Billy Corben]

I will go with, oh, I know one. 2000 New York Yankee Derek Jeter.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, right.

[Taylor]

All Star Game MVP. World Series MVP. I believe the only player to do that, Derek Jeter.

[Mike Ryan]

I think I know this one. 2006 Texas Rangers, Michael Young.

[Taylor]

Jeremy's flexing now. It is Michael Young.

[Billy Corben]

That's like, so the option for 04 out there.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll tell you why. Because that's the year that UGLA made three errors and it went extra innings. And I believe Michael Young had the game winning. Either a walk off or a base hit because Michael Young was the man.

[Billy Corben]

All you can say there.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow, this is like the. Why is this the best I've done? I'm going to fall apart and Chris is going to end up winning. But I feel pretty good about that.

[Billy Corben]

This one just kind of feels all right. I'm going to just pull one out of my. I'm just going to go with what I thought of. I'm going to go 2003. Angel. Garrett Anderson.

[Mike Ryan]

That's who I was gonna guess if. But it might not be.

[Taylor]

It's Garrett Anderson.

[Billy Corben]

Wow.

[Mike Ryan]

Nice pull, dude. That's great.

[Billy Corben]

There's another outfield.

[Taylor]

Anderson.

[Mike Ryan]

That awesome. All right, so there's an 05.05.

[Billy Corben]

So I have one strike. Does Jeremy have any strikes?

[Mike Ryan]

I don't have any strikes yet. I'm gonna go 09. Raise Evan Longoria.

[Billy Corben]

Oh, I have a different name written there.

[Taylor]

That's gonna be Jeremy's first strike.

[Billy Corben]

Attack.

[Taylor]

No, it's not long ago.

[Billy Corben]

Then it has to be. I'm just going to assume that they didn't let James Shields pitch three innings in that game. That's not my guess. I'm saying I'm not guessing him. My guess is I'll go see. I'm so terrible at this. He might have switched teams by this point. Carl Crawford.

[Mike Ryan]

That's a good guess.

[Taylor]

Trust your gut. It is, right?

[Mike Ryan]

It had to be one or the other.

[Billy Corben]

Right. That's why I wrote down Crawford. I'm glad you went with one.

[Mike Ryan]

Shouldn't have done that.

[Taylor]

Got the lifeline. The lifeline Would have told you.

[Juju]

Outfielder.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yep.

[Billy Corben]

Ah, so many Ranger Oriole MVPs.

[Mike Ryan]

So I have a thought.

[Billy Corben]

That's good. It's good to have those.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay. 2005 Baltimore Orioles. Rafael Palmeira.

[Taylor]

That's gonna be Jeremy's second strike.

[Mike Ryan]

What a mistake. I want to talk to you about the trade deadline because we're just a couple of weeks away at this point and it's time to start paying attention. We actually on Wednesday saw one of the first moves, although a very, very, very low level move, as Adam Frazier was traded from Pittsburgh to Kansas City. Obviously not a big splash, but we've got a lot ahead at the deadline. So I want to ask you, what do you think is most likely to happen at the deadline? What's one of those things we should focus on? And what's your boldest prediction of something that could happen at the deadline?

[Dan LeBatard]

The deadline is such an important time as you try to figure out what your team is. But with the expanded wild card, there's very few teams out of it and even the Marlins could argue they're not out of it. Even though they have so many teams to jump over. They're not going to do anything differently, but they feel pressure to. And so will Sandy get traded? That is something to watch for. I think the more interesting story is what the Braves and Diamondbacks are going to do. Let's go one at a time. The Braves have all their guys locked up long term and they have been hugely disappointing to say the least. And the question is their gm, Alex Anthopoulos. So good. They won a World Series in 19 with under the radar deadline moves. 2. The Diamondbacks, when they signed Corbin Burns away from Baltimore, they really wanted to compete in that NL west with San Fran, San Diego and the Dodgers, and it just hasn't worked out. They've got to sell, but their owner, Mr. Octogenarian Ken Kendrick, does not like the idea of selling and resetting. So what they could be looking at similarly to Baltimore could be a buy and sell strategy where they make some moves both for tomorrow, but they can argue also for today. So I'm watching them. And one more Jeremy, our friends in Boston, the Red Sox. Yeah. Craig Breslow said our team's better without Devers and I agreed. Well, John Henry needs to give Craig Breslow the ability to add at the deadline, winning 10 in a row going into the All Star break. They have a tough schedule out of the break, a tough nine game stretch. But that said, they are not just in the race, they are the race and looking at to see what they do. That's going to be big, big story.

[Mike Ryan]

Absolutely. You're going to love this. Adnan's World Series predictions when we had him on right before opening day were the Arizona Diamondbacks in the Kansas City Royals. A wildly wrong prediction. Something that felt fun in the moment, but there's about a zero percent chance that that ultimate if that happens, it would take a miracle. So I'm going to talk to you now as we head into the second half of the year and not only ask you your World Series prediction of who's ultimately going to get there, but I also want to know a couple of tight races in the NL and the AL for mvp. What are your predictions at this moment for AL and NL MVP and the representatives in the World Series?

[Dan LeBatard]

I was trying to think of how to make the NL MVP race tight and I was thinking if Ohtani doesn't take another at bat, that's it, he's out for the year. Something happens. He has a third Tommy John. Would he still win the mvp? I think he may, man. So I'm not sure. That race is tight, but the Judge Raleigh race is a bit tighter than you think though. I don't know that Raleigh has a chance to do it. Can keep doing what he's doing but every time I say that he hits two more home runs. But if Seattle wins that division, somehow comes back and Raleigh breaks the record and gets 62 or more home runs, tying Judge for all time American League home run for a season. But if Judge hits.355 with 60 home runs and the Yankees are the Yankees, he's going to win the mvp.

[Mike Ryan]

Those numbers are so silly.

[Dan LeBatard]

If he doesn't, then I would say that Raleigh has a chance and that's a fun race to watch. In terms of World Series, my prediction before the season started was that the Red Sox would win the pennant.

[Billy Corben]

Wow.

[Dan LeBatard]

And make it to the World Series. So I'm feeling not as good as I was when the season started, no question. But I'm not going to change now. So my prediction is that the Red Sox win the pennant and they end up facing the big, bad Dodgers. It's such a horrible pick.

[Mike Ryan]

Pick.

[Dan LeBatard]

The National League is so deep and the Dodgers are absolutely fallible. They are not the juggernaut that everyone thought they would be. They're not going to win 175 games, just like the Rockies aren't going to lose 175. And I'm going to say Dodgers. Red Sox.

[Mike Ryan]

Boy. Yankees. Dodgers, Red Sox, Dodgers. And back to back years would sure be a good thing for Major League Baseball. David, thank you so much for joining us on this episode. We appreciate all the information. I'm going to be holding you to these predictions when Pete Crow Armstrong, somehow, some way becomes the NL MVP. With somehow another 50, 50 season in baseball, we'll see. I don't think it's happening. Neither do you. That's fine. Let's get back to our game with Chris.

[Billy Corben]

Oh, four. Alex Rodriguez, Rangers.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay. Is that.

[Taylor]

That is going to be Chris's second.

[Mike Ryan]

All right. Thank God. That was what I was just talking about, talking myself through. He was. He was. He was on the Yankees by that point. Right?

[Billy Corben]

Well, poop you then. Right?

[Mike Ryan]

He was on the team that collapsed.

[Billy Corben]

Are you asking him? He's not gonna tell you. Yeah. Oh, I guess.

[Mike Ryan]

Right. I guess that's fair. I guess that's fair. But I guess. Well, it wouldn't make a difference. No, it would, but.

[Billy Corben]

Well, to me it would.

[Mike Ryan]

That. You already did. All right. There's no other spot. Okay.

[Taylor]

Both at two strikes.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay. I'd like to use my lifeline on the 2008 Red Sock outfielder. All right. I'm gonna make the guess that first came to mind. And it might be wrong. It might end up being a name we've used a lot here. But I'm gonna guess best. Jacoby Ellsbury.

[Taylor]

Chris Cody wins. It is not Jacoby, is it, Manny?

[Billy Corben]

Don't I have to get one here?

[Mike Ryan]

Because you went first. This is.

[Taylor]

You started.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm so angry.

[Billy Corben]

I want to do this last round, though, because I'm feeling myself. All right, so I won.

[Greg Cote]

Feeling myself.

[Billy Corben]

97. Let me do my lifeline here. 97 in Guardian.

[Greg Cote]

Sorry.

[Mike Ryan]

Nice catcher.

[Billy Corben]

Oh, Sandy Alamont.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, it is.

[Juju]

That's correct.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Billy Corben]

All right, so I know that 97 guardians.

[Mike Ryan]

Can I start going. Going through what my other guesses would have been? 1990 Rangers. Is that Nolan Ryan? Nope. Was he around?

[Taylor]

Julio Franco Julio.

[Dan LeBatard]

Holy.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, 92 M's. Edgar Martinez or Ken Griffey Jr. Ken Griffey Jr.

[Taylor]

The 91 Oriole. Cal Ripken Jr. Not gonna lie.

[Billy Corben]

I thought the M's was The Milwaukee Brewers.

[Mike Ryan]

93. Kirby Puckett.

[Taylor]

Kirby Puckett.

[Mike Ryan]

Yep. That's.

[Billy Corben]

I was gonna guess that.

[Mike Ryan]

Braves. Is that chipper? It's gonna be chipper or it's gonna be mad?

[Taylor]

Neither.

[Mike Ryan]

Really? Marquis.

[Taylor]

Crime Dog.

[Mike Ryan]

Mark. Wow. Crime Dog.

[Taylor]

The crime dog. Fred McGriff.

[Mike Ryan]

Dodgers. Is it Sean Green? No way, right?

[Taylor]

No. Okay, this is one where a lifeline would have helped.

[Billy Corben]

Give me the. Give me the, like, tell us Position.

[Taylor]

Catcher.

[Billy Corben]

Mike Piazza.

[Taylor]

Piazza.

[Greg Cote]

Wow.

[Mike Ryan]

And then there's no way. 98 is also Ripken. Is it?

[Taylor]

No. Roberto Alomar.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay. And then. Then. Oh, 4. 04, 05, 07 and 08. Oh, no.

[Taylor]

4 is why I was not gonna answer because that question would have helped you before.

[Mike Ryan]

Idiot. I should have.

[Taylor]

2005 Oriole. Miguel Tejada.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow.

[Billy Corben]

I was gonna say Nick Marques.

[Mike Ryan]

I love Tejada. I guess.

[Juju]

Brian Roberts.

[Billy Corben]

I was gonna say either Marques or Roberts.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, can I guess one. Taylor.

[Greg Cote]

What happened?

[Taylor]

What happened in 2007? Nobody.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

How did nobody get. How did nobody get Ichiro. I assumed it would be him, but I honestly. There's this. It was a dumb strategy. I should have just gone.

[Billy Corben]

I was like. Was that the year Richie Sexton was.

[Mike Ryan]

Like a. I just should have gone with the definite answer. And I tried getting cute, and I'm. I'm mad. I'm really mad at myself. This is.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, wait.

[Billy Corben]

Red Sox.

[Taylor]

Oh, wait. Red sock was J.D. drew.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, great.

[Billy Corben]

Another victory.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

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