Hour 2: The Axel Rose Debate (feat. Elle Duncan)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 2: The Axl Rose Debate (feat. Elle Duncan)

Date: March 17, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
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Brief Overview

In this raucous episode, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew are joined by special guest Elle Duncan, now a lead host for Netflix’s MLB coverage. The hour takes on breaking news in the NFL, pop-culture debates (including a deep-in-the-weeds Guns N’ Roses/Axl Rose segment), and Elle’s takes on sports fandom, music generations, and what makes an ‘oldie’ versus a ‘classic’. The conversation is irreverent, spontaneous, and packed with memorable exchanges, including an entertaining lightning round (“L. Yeah or L. Nah”). Key themes are nostalgia in music, the dangers and hopes of Miami sports rebuilds, and the role of spectacle in modern sports.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Breaking NFL News: Jalen Waddle Trade Analysis

Timestamps: 01:13 – 06:00, 39:00 – 42:51

• Elle’s Broncos Fandom:

  • Elle reacts live to the Miami Dolphins trading wide receiver Jalen Waddle to the Broncos for a first, third, and pick swap in the fourth round (01:13).
  • “I dig it. ...At least they’re doing something. I mean, they haven’t been doing. So at least they’re doing something. They’re trying.” – Elle Duncan (03:00)
  • Skepticism over whether Waddle overtakes Sutton, but sees value in adding talented depth.

• Insider Debate:

  • The crew debates whether Denver overpaid and how Miami is initiating a full rebuild (“fumigation of the building”) (04:45–05:18).
  • David Sampson pushes back on “fire sale” language, noting differences between financial motivation and re-stocking for on-field reasons (05:21).

• Miami Dolphins’ Identity Crisis:

  • Elle jokes, “I think most people forget that the Dolphins are a football team.” (05:32)
  • Later, the group questions how fans are supposed to feel given ongoing roster overhauls and the loss of recognizable stars (39:00–41:13).
  • “For 25 years the Dolphins are starting over and you don’t know any of their players.” – David Sampson (42:51)

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2. Music Generations Showdown: Guns N’ Roses & The ‘Oldies’ Debate

Timestamps: 08:05 – 23:03

• Guns N’ Roses: Over-the-Hill or Still Rockin’?

  • Greg Cote proudly seeks tickets for a GNR show; Elle expresses total disbelief that they can fill a 3.5-hour set (“I can name, like, two or three songs.” – 08:44).
  • The group playfully bickers over famous tracks, conflating bands (e.g., “Every Rose Has Its Thorn” is mistakenly attributed to GNR, then corrected – 09:22–10:00).
  • “Guns N Roses, Twisted Sister and Motley Crue—put them on a festival...let me get their four or five songs off, and then, like, keep it moving. Three and a half hours is absurd.” – Elle Duncan (10:09)

• Rock & Roll’s Demise:

  • David Sampson claims, “Rock and roll died” when Axl Rose got beat up by Tommy Hilfiger in a NYC club; Adrian Woj recites the full news story as a matter of record (10:29–11:21).

• Oldies vs. Classics in Music: Heated Generational Debate:

  • Prompted by Jay Z’s return, the crew debates whether ‘90s hip-hop is “oldies” or “classics” (19:09–23:03).
  • Elle draws a sharp distinction: “Oldies is a genre in and of itself...classics means yes, it’s no longer current...but you would never identify Outkast as an oldie.” (20:54)
  • Jon Weisman and Mike contend that time alone makes something an “oldie”—“The 90s were four decades ago...that’s like listening to a little ditty from the 50s and being like, ‘ah, listen to this classic.’” (22:34)
  • Elle pushes back: “There is no rap person that can be identified as an oldie.” (21:23)

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3. Elle Duncan on Transition to Netflix & The Modern Sports Landscape

Timestamps: 06:02 – 07:35, 31:01 – 32:15

• Colleagues Pitching for Jobs:

  • Elle notes the flood of former coworkers hoping she can connect them to Netflix gigs, despite her brief tenure and lack of hiring power (06:11).
  • “This is like, the only role in Netflix that’s like this.” (06:29)
  • Greg Cote admits to using social tactics to ask for favors (“I waited two days”, 08:00).

• Chemistry with MLB Panelists:

  • Elle will host Opening Day on Netflix alongside Albert Pujols and Anthony Rizzo; looks forward to building chemistry (31:01).
  • “That’s my job as host, to be able to build as much rapport and chemistry as we can…” (31:25)

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4. Sports Fandom & Spectacle

Timestamps: 14:27 – 18:19

• World Baseball Classic:
  • Elle celebrates baseball’s international spectacle. “Stunts like this, big events are really interesting for baseball...great for baseball.” (14:38)
  • She expresses divided loyalty between Team USA and Team Venezuela due to favorite Braves player Ronald Acuña Jr.—rooting for good individual performance and general fun over patriotic allegiance (16:13–17:48).

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5. “L. Yeah or L. Nah” Rapid Fire

Timestamps: 23:43 – 27:03

• Elle gives quick, candid takes on sports and cultural topics:
  • March Madness brackets: “L. Yeah. It’s fun and it makes games you don’t otherwise care about interesting.” (23:55)
  • Peanuts and Crackerjack: “El. No! That’s an oldies reference. We should update to current ballpark menus.” (24:19)
  • Oscars: “It just depends on the year...this year, bits were so bad, but based on results, I really wanted it for Michael B. Jordan—L. Yeah.” (24:50)
  • Throwing Home Run Balls Back: “Yeah, oh yeah...if it’s the other team, throw it back.” (25:10)
  • Wearing Green on St. Patrick’s Day: “Too much pressure...I’ll take it as an L. No.” (26:16)
  • Adults Bringing Baseball Gloves to Games: “Depends where you’re sitting...a self-defense mechanism if you’re in prime foul ball territory, but don’t need it in the upper rows.” (26:38)

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6. WNBA Season Uncertainty & Women’s Voices in Sports

Timestamps: 34:13 – 35:36

• Will There Be a 2026 WNBA Season?

  • Elle is confident it will happen, but expects possible delays due to scheduling and expansion logistics.
  • “I would put my mortgage on the fact that [the WNBA season] will happen.” (34:29)

• Woman’s Authority:

  • Playful banter as the men marvel at Elle’s sources and certainty (“First time a woman’s known around here!” – Jon Weisman, 35:19).
  • Elle wittily concludes, “I love hanging out with you classic men. You’re not oldies. You’re just classic.” (35:36)

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7. Miami Marlins, Fire Sales, and Fan Engagement

Timestamps: 36:11 – 39:00

• Extended comparison of Marlins ‘fire sales’ vs. Dolphins’ approach, with much back-and-forth teasing and historical grievances aired.
• Dolphins mishandling of salary cap and dead money leads to existential questions about long-term fan loyalty in a city used to abrupt rebuilds.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Elle Duncan on Broncos trade:
  • “I think we proved last year that even without a quarterback we could have made a Super Bowl...We could have if not for a freakish storm.” (03:00)
• Elle on Netflix coworkers:
  • “This is like, the only role in Netflix that’s like this...Not just people on air—anyone I’ve ever met would like a job at Netflix.” (06:29)
• Elle on the definition of ‘oldies’:
  • “Oldies is a genre in and of itself. Oldies is like the Four Seasons, Motown, the Beatles...classics just means they have aged out.” (20:54)
• David Sampson marking rock’s demise:
  • “Rock and roll died...when Axl Rose got into a fight with Tommy Hilfiger in a hotel lobby.” (10:29)
• Elle calling out ‘adults with gloves’:
  • “It’s literally like a self-defense mechanism. You need to bring a ball glove, period. But if you’re 45 rows up you probably don’t need it.” (26:38)
• Elle’s music zinger:
  • “I love hanging out with you classic men. You’re not oldies. You’re just classic.” (35:36)
• David Sampson on the Dolphins:
  • “For 25 years the dolphins are starting over and you don’t know any of their players.” (42:51)

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Additional Timestamps for Reference

• Introduction & Broncos news: 00:00 – 03:42
• Jaylen Waddle / Surtan boxing banter: 03:42 – 04:44
• Guns N’ Roses debate: 08:05 – 11:21
• World Baseball Classic and Netflix MLB gig: 14:27 – 18:19
• Jay Z / Hip Hop ‘oldie’ vs. ‘classic’ debate: 19:09 – 23:03
• Lightning round (L. Yeah or L. Nah): 23:43 – 27:03
• MLB instant replay / automated balls & strikes: 31:01 – 32:54
• WNBA season certainty: 34:13 – 35:36

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Tone & Language

Light-hearted, brash, and fast-paced, with classic Dan Le Batard Show irreverence—especially in pop culture and sports nostalgia debates. Elle Duncan shines as a witty, candid guest with plenty of sharp jokes and genuine insight on both media and sports.

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For listeners who missed the episode:
Expect a quintessentially chaotic Le Batard hour, blending sports news, music fights, and generational clashes, elevated by Elle Duncan’s quick wit and charm. The podcast oscillates between big-picture sports change (Miami’s endless reboots, the rise of spectacle in MLB) and playful, biting nostalgia for both music and fandom’s glory days.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Stugotz]

1, 2, 3,

[Elle Duncan]

Go pee pee.

[David Sampson]

What? What? How did that end up in there? What is that?

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

They always do.

[David Sampson]

Dano and David Sampson. That initial, I don't know, harrumphing and stuttering and not making sense was in response to how he felt about Cuba falling. That was his first few sounds on the show. We've got breaking news before we get to Elle Duncan. She was very excited. The breaking news as a Broncos fan. The Miami Dolphins have traded Jalen waddle for a first round pick and anything else.

[Elle Duncan]

A third and a fourth. So 30th pick in each single of those rounds. So the first, third, first, third and fourth all 30th pick.

[Mike]

Yeah. The dolphins also sent a fourth. So that's essentially a pick swap with Denver in the fourth round. But yeah, the first round pick for Jalen Waddle, 30th overall. Jaylen Waddle is a Denver Bronco.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah. So it's for. They got the worst end of the swap, obviously in the fourth round. But you're getting a first and a third then essentially for Waddle. I don't know. It's more than I would have thought. You'd have gotten formed for a team that's rebuilding and you're getting off of a wide receiver who is a good player, but they pay him like a number one. He's not a number one.

[David Sampson]

They're not going to ask him to be a number one in Denver. They're going to ask him to be a number two. But let's get some expertise from Elle Duncan here. She's the lead host at Netflix for the first pitch of the Major League Baseball season. That's coming live to Netflix on March 25. Giants host the Yankees at Or park and the opening night pregame show begins at 7pm We've got an assortment of questions for her, but let's start with what it is. The breaking news is you are a Broncos fan. Who is the cornerback for the Broncos that you hate? It can't be Sir Tan. So it has to be. It has to be one. Their nickel corner. Who's the one that you're always yelling about?

[Elle Duncan]

Yeah. Riley Moss.

[David Sampson]

So how do you feel about this trade? You seem to be excited when this was happening and we were setting up.

[Elle Duncan]

I dig it. We need. I mean, you guys tried to pour water all over my parade by saying Jalen Waddle's always hurt and everybody on the Broncos is always hurt. I think we proved last year that even without a quarterback we could have made a Super Bowl. I'm just saying we could have. We could have if not for a freakish storm. So, like, we don't even need a quarterback to make Super Bowl. We can certainly do without a receiver if he gets hurt from time to time, but we need some depth there. Clearly, I'm not exactly sure that he's going to be able to, like, overtake Cortland Sutton's production. Which is wild to say because two years I was like, courtland Sutton is a great number two. Why are we making him a number one? But alas, I feel good about it. I dig it. They're doing something. I mean, they haven't been doing. So at least they're doing something. They're trying.

[Jon Weisman]

A couple days ago, that 30th, I saw a clip the other day of Jaylen Waddle being asked about who in. In the entire league he would want to box. And he said, Patrick Surtan.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Jon Weisman]

And then Patrick Surtan went back at Twitter. Like, it seemed playful. But then, now I feel like Waddle knew something was happening here. I feel like, why would he say that random name?

[Elle Duncan]

The quote from Patrick Certain was like, I'm a buses ass and I look forward to seeing that competitive edge in practice. I love that. I would put my money on Patrick Certain. Not hurt nearly as much.

[David Sampson]

You were saying, Jeremy quote Pat Certain,

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

I would beat the shit out of him. I'd beat the dog shit out of him. There are a lot more people, but that's just top of my mind. I'd beat the dog shit out of bro.

[Jon Weisman]

Now, they did both go to Alabama, so maybe that was the connection.

[Mike]

I don't know. Something's 170 pounds, playful.

[David Sampson]

It's not a random person that Waddle was talking about, though. It's a defensive player of the year who plays cornerback and they went to school together. Like, it's not. He's not.

[Jon Weisman]

So you play. You think coincidence.

[David Sampson]

I'm saying he selected a player who is considered the best in the league at his position.

[Elle Duncan]

He's punching up.

[David Sampson]

And so he just chose Sir Tan because Certain. Well, anyway, Waddle as a Dolphin next MVP card. The last value that the Dolphins had for trade, the complete fumigation of the building is Jalen Waddle. People did say they were asking for two number ones at the trade deadline. I don't know why you guys are surprised that he goes for for a number 30, but they are dismantling the entire thing. The Dolphins are going to have no players that anyone knows at the start of the season.

[Stugotz]

Is it called a fire sale?

[Jon Weisman]

2. 2. Atwell would like a word.

[Greg Cote]

Well, no, it's not called a fire sale because a fire sale is when you're trying to shed money. That's not what the Dolphins.

[David Sampson]

That's what you do.

[Stugotz]

No, no.

[Elle Duncan]

Well, I gotta be honest. Outside of.

[Mike]

Of.

[Elle Duncan]

Of your group and Miami, I think most people forget that the Dolphins are a football team.

[Mike]

That's true.

[Elle Duncan]

I'm not sure it matters that people don't know anybody that's on the Dolphins anymore. Let's just be real. Let's be honest.

[David Sampson]

Yeah, she's right.

[Elle Duncan]

It's the truth. When you're talking about the battle of the AFC east or you're talking about the AFC in general, people just forget at least the last couple of years that the Dolphins are a team. And the only time that they've really permeated the conversations is when to get the concussion or they shit the bed again when they have to play in cold.

[David Sampson]

Can you give me a number to this question? How many friends and family have you had? Hit you up because they want Netflix for free?

[Elle Duncan]

Actually, no, because everybody already has Netflix. I will say I am shocked at the amount of former coworkers who have, you know, done the, like, how you doing? How's everything going? Hope it's going well at Netflix. If you ever want to work with, you know, this guy again, I'd love to work with you. If there's ever any opportunities at Netflix, I'm getting a lot of that, which is interesting. I'm like, I've worked there for, like, eight weeks. I have no hiring ability. And I. I think that we've already established that, like, this is a unique role for me because, like, this is, like, the only role in Netflix that's like this. But, yeah, that's been that. There's been a lot of those text messages. Are they chance.

[Jon Weisman]

Are they spacing it out? L. Are they spacing out the. Hello, Just checking in on you, and then the asking for. Because you can't. I tend to like it all. Like, on a Tuesday, check in with somebody. Hey, what's up? Good to hear from you.

[Greg Cote]

Move.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

Good to see you.

[Jon Weisman]

I hope everything's well, and then on Friday I'll get around to, like, what I'm actually in it for.

[Elle Duncan]

That's actually very, very smart, Greg.

[Jon Weisman]

Thank you.

[Elle Duncan]

I, like, I actually planted. I need something, but I haven't talked to this person in a while, so I planted that seed today, and then I'm going to hit him with the ask Probably Thursday. I think I'm going to give it a couple of days. They do. They wait for me to sort of go, it's great. You know, I really enjoy it. And then they hit me with the. Like, I'd love to enjoy it, too. And it's coming from everywhere. Not just people on air, but people in offices. Anyone that I've ever met would like a job at Netflix.

[Stugotz]

Zaz, you didn't. Wait one second. Forget two days. When you asked me for something today, it wasn't like, hey, how you doing? How's your daughter? How you feeling? Nice shirt. You went right to the ass.

[Greg Cote]

Okay. I asked him. I asked David to help me get Guns N Roses tickets here in Hollywood. But I did wait two days because I've been seeing you since Sunday, and I asked you here on Tuesday.

[David Sampson]

Kevin.

[Stugotz]

Tab.

[Greg Cote]

That's not true, but that is strategic. I waited two days.

[Elle Duncan]

You don't have the Guns N Roses still performs.

[Greg Cote]

Oh, they're so great still. Yes, they do.

[David Sampson]

No, wait a minute. I saw them open up a place in Las Vegas before the Sphere and Axl Rose came out in a wheelchair. I'm not even making that up.

[Mike]

That was, like, five years ago. I've seen them pretty recently. And look, Axel's pipes are.

[David Sampson]

Yeah.

[Mike]

Leaking.

[David Sampson]

They're shot. And it was. It was a wheelchair, but it was dressed as a throne. They made it look like a throne, but it was a wheelchair.

[Mike]

I will give them credit, though. For whatever reason, they decide to play for three and a half hours. Yeah. And they, like, They'll. They'll go through every song. I mean, every song you'd want to hear.

[David Sampson]

It's still a good show.

[Elle Duncan]

They have three and a half hours worth of songs. Like, I like Guns N Roses, guys, but I can name, like, two or three songs. They have three and a half hours worth of songs.

[Greg Cote]

El November Rain is nine minutes. All right, like, they got three and a half hours.

[Mike]

So there's like, two. They don't have three and a half hours. Especially they don't. Give me a pure cut.

[Jon Weisman]

10 minutes. Rolling them out.

[Mike]

Give me. Give me 90 minutes of just, like, the Purifier and save the voice for the next show.

[David Sampson]

I will. Yeah.

[Elle Duncan]

And in that 90 minutes, I want to hear, like, seven covers. Like, let's be real, you guys. Welcome to the jungle. November Rain.

[David Sampson]

Sweet child of mine Sweet child of

[Stugotz]

mine Every rose has thorn.

[Mike]

Oh, come on.

[Elle Duncan]

Oh, God, I love that song. Yeah. Well, that's one. Okay, so four. So we just came up with, like, 15 minutes of content. You know, Guns N Roses is a perfect festival act. Like, a festival act is someone that you just come, they do their three or four songs, and then they bounce, and then, like, you just keep wash, rinsing.

[Dan Le Batard]

No way.

[Elle Duncan]

There's no way they have three and a half hours of music now.

[Greg Cote]

They have so many bangers. Guns N Roses. Three or four songs, and that's.

[Elle Duncan]

It's.

[Greg Cote]

That's poison. David. All right, Don't l. You fell for his trap. All right. Every rose has its thorn. It's poison.

[David Sampson]

Two minutes in the box.

[Greg Cote]

That's you. David.

[David Sampson]

Every Rose Has Its Thorn is not a Guns N Roses song. What do you do?

[Stugotz]

It sounds like it was.

[David Sampson]

It. You're gonna leave it? I'm sorry.

[Elle Duncan]

Guns N Roses, Twisted Sister and Motley Crue put them on a festival. Let me get their four or five songs off, and then, like, keep it moving. Three and a half hours is absurd. And if it's in Hollywood, I'm sure you're paying, like, 500 bucks a ticket. It's a con job.

[Greg Cote]

Well, that's. That's why I asked David for help.

[Elle Duncan]

Yes, I saw Dee Snider one time at Universal. Still has the hair.

[David Sampson]

Jeremy, look up for me, please. I believe I know where rock and roll died, and it was in a New York hotel lobby when Axl Rose got into a fight with Tommy Hilfiger. So just look up for me the details on that story, because that can't be real. I'm pretty. I'm pretty sure I have that exactly right, because I felt rock and roll die that day. And I remember it being reported in a way that was just. You can't be the lead singer of the big band in the world and get into a fight in a hotel lobby.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

May 20, 2006. Dan, Tommy Hilfiger and Guns N Roses frontman Axl Rose fought at the Plum nightclub in New York. The altercation stemmed from a dispute over a VIP table and a moved drink, resulting in Hilfiger allegedly punching Rose.

[David Sampson]

What? Yeah, it reminded me of, like, when that hairdresser knocked out Suge Knight in Los Angeles in, like, in a. In a barber shop. And it just ruined the entire image for me. Put up a picture of Tommy Hilfiger so people can see what knocked out the front man of described as a

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

flurry of punches or a 1, 2 counter of a slap and a punch.

[Jon Weisman]

Ellie talking about David?

[Elle Duncan]

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[David Sampson]

sunglasses in boxes today in my bed

[Elle Duncan]

in the hospital Ending our lives all the same.

[Mike]

St

[Elle Duncan]

it's the final night gown.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[David Sampson]

Elle how do you feel about the World Baseball Classic? And why are Hispanic people more flavor flavorful about baseball than any other ethnicity?

[Elle Duncan]

Because they were just marinated and seasoned before they were born. I don't know. I love it. I It's interesting because I mean obviously in these situations like you want to root for usa, but some of my favorite players are actually on Team Venezuela, so I'm really torn I mean, Ronnie is my guy. I'm a Braves fan. But yeah, I mean, you know, I think stunts like this, like, big events are really interesting for baseball. They're great for baseball. Like, that's why I kind of like, I'm super excited to do opening day and sort of the big, like, spectacle type of events. You know? You know this, like, if you are a fan of baseball, but, like, not a fan enough to want to cover 162 games, you get no parts of baseball. Right. Like, you either have to commit fully to 12 months of baseball, or you don't get to be a part at all. Excited that, like, with Netflix, I get to tap in on major spectacles, including opening day and the Home Run Derby in the Field of Dreams game. But overall, you know, I think it's. It's gonna be a ratings bonanza tonight. People don't have to care about anything so long as they can. Like, USA America.

[David Sampson]

Yeah.

[Elle Duncan]

And I think, you know, you're gonna have. You're gonna have. Fox is gonna have good race together.

[David Sampson]

Let's do it all together, America.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[David Sampson]

Be careful, Dan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Somebody else does this dancing.

[Elle Duncan]

I'm. Yeah. Yeah.

[Greg Cote]

We did this during the. The Olympics with U.S. and Canada with the hockey. So you're telling me if. If Ronald Acuna Jr. He's up to bat and a base hit wins the game tonight, who are you rooting for in that spot?

[Elle Duncan]

Well, I mean, let's just be real. Like, the second that this game's over today, they go back to their respective teams. And I need Ronnie to be in a good headspace for, like, 162 games, especially because Erickson Profar can't stop taking PEDs. So I think it's a win for the Braves if they win, and then it's a win for America if they don't like. Either way, I feel good.

[David Sampson]

That is not an answer. That is some fence sitting. And I want to lure you out by telling you that dance isn't fixing anything. I was rooting for the Dominican Republic against the U.S. i said so publicly. Come on, Elle. Come join me on the dangerous side. Are you indeed rooting for Ronald Acuna Jr. And Venezuela against the United States, or are you not or will wait and this is the way you can or America what the way you can get out of it is? I won't know until I feel it, because that's what happened to me. I was surprised that I was rooting for the Dominican Republic, but I was.

[Elle Duncan]

Yeah, I will probably feel it out. Like, I honestly feel Like, I don't typically in these situations, if there was, like, a team that I don't have players that I have an affinity for or care about, I would just be like, yeah, America. Like, go, Team usa. It's really not because I'm, like, making some political stance about the state of America. I'm not going for my. I believe it would be my fifth time making out. Kicks Lived Hard of the month if this was to go viral. I'm not going for any of those things. I just legitimately, I'm excited about this game because I don't care either way. Like, I have players on both sides. Obviously, if America wins, like, that's great. I really like Aaron Judge, thinks he's a good dude. But if Venezuela wins, like, it wouldn't be the worst thing in the world because, like, Ronnie would be happy. And if he's happy, I'm happy.

[Stugotz]

I think what you say is, Ronald goes three for four and then the US Walks it off. Because then you get, hey, it's a walk off. It is what it is. They lost the coin flip. The US is the home team. Acuna goes back, he's 3 for 4. He had a great run. I think that's what you're rooting for. Along with more subscribers to Netflix.

[Elle Duncan]

Sure, 100%. That's exactly what I want. In a perfect world, it would all happen. In a perfect world, it would end in a tie and there would be no losers or winners, just everyone celebrating the game.

[Mike]

I Dan, we said the signs were there. A couple of big album anniversaries for this artist. And it is indeed true. The rumors are true. Jay Z is returning to the stage. A return to live performing. He is announced as the headliner.

[David Sampson]

El just spit out her drink.

[Jon Weisman]

Yes.

[Mike]

He is headlining at the Roots picnic with the Roots as his backing band on May 30. One can assume this means the anniversary dates at Brooklyn. Those might be true, too.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

He's also returning to the States.

[Mike]

Yeah, he's been missing. Vlog's been a little hot for Jay, so.

[David Sampson]

Elle. Yes, Reportedly in the Epstein files. Correct.

[Elle Duncan]

Not reportedly.

[Jon Weisman]

Whoa.

[Elle Duncan]

Seen it with my eyes.

[Jon Weisman]

Just dropping that out there.

[David Sampson]

We were talking before the last couple of weeks, and this might make you also feel old. Hip hop is 50 and we were talking about what classifies as oldies. We were talking about Jay Z and others. And I was offended at the tipping point of Kanye and Jamie Foxx doing Gold Digger. That was viewed as an oldie. And I'm like, that can't be an oldie but they're saying, nope, that's oldies. So classify it for us. What would you say is the tipping point on this is the hardest song I have to make a judgment on between the past and the present. You're not allowed to do big band. 20 years is about the. The. The time that has to go by for oldies. What's an oldie?

[Elle Duncan]

No, you. You guys are getting it wrong. There's a difference between oldies and classics. Okay, classics. Classics is anything that's aged out 20 years or so, right? Like, classic rock is now Guns and Roses and Bon Jovi. Classic rock before might have been like Steely Dan. I don't know.

[David Sampson]

Oldies.

[Elle Duncan]

Oldies very specifically is like the Four seasons, Motown music, in my opinion, the Beatles, like, that's oldies. Anything that came out or predates the 70s is just like sort of oldies in general. If there was a doo wop, if they did a barber shop quartet type of feel, right? Like if they were on Soul Train, then that is in a Teyday. That would be an oldies. But that's different than classics. And like, now we've reached, you know, the. The sort of era where, like, yes. The people that we grew up loving and listening to. I mean, the amount of people from Atlanta. From Atlanta. Kids from Atlanta that I mentioned outcast to, and they don't even know who that is, is absurd. But you would never classify outcast as

[David Sampson]

an oldie by this definite. No, by the definition, by the definitions of this show, Outcast, Big Boy Andre, they would be oldies.

[Elle Duncan]

No, they're classics. Oldies is a genre in and of itself. Oldies is like describing everything that I just said. Classics means yes. Like it's no longer current. It's no longer in the pop culture lexicon currently, but it's not an oldies. Like classic, I think, describes a time frame. Oldies describes a type of music.

[David Sampson]

You're not allowing. You're not allowing hip hop to get old. So sir Mix a Lot, Baby Got back Oldie classic. That's early 90s.

[Elle Duncan]

It's a classic.

[David Sampson]

They're telling me, because I listen to 90s on 9, that I'm listening to an oldie station.

[Elle Duncan]

No, no, because you know what would be actual oldies? The oldies station, the Motown 60 station, the 50s station. But we're at the same point listening to 90s music that they were listening to 60s music. Now in 2026, we're listening to the same thing. We're listening.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

It wasn't called oldies when it was young.

[Stugotz]

That's.

[Elle Duncan]

I understand that. But what you guys have to Understand is that. And. And this is coming from someone who, like, loves music. I love all kinds of music, every kind of genre. If I wasn't doing tv, I would be doing something in music. I love music, but oldies is a genre of music in my mind. Okay, this is just my opinion. Classics just means they have aged out, right? Like, classics means it came out a long time ago. And at the time, yes, it was current and relevant to you when you were young and maybe isn't anymore, but you would never identify out. Like, there is no rap person that can be identified as an oldie.

[Jon Weisman]

You know what?

[Elle Duncan]

That doesn't go in the same group as Frank Sinatra.

[Jon Weisman]

I'm gonna say it. L. I'm gonna say it. You're wrong on this.

[Mike]

I don't understand what's happening here. The 90s were four decades ago. That's like listening to hearing a Little diddy from the 50s and being like, ah, listen to this class.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

And now it's old.

[Mike]

We are further removed from the formation of the NWO and WCW than the formation of the NWO was from the moon landing.

[Stugotz]

We're old.

[Elle Duncan]

And that's fine. I've embraced being old. But I'm telling you right now, you're not going to put outkast in the same category as Big Girls Don't Cry.

[Stugotz]

I love that song.

[Elle Duncan]

I do too, because I. I love oldies.

[David Sampson]

No.

[Stugotz]

Where do you have Total Eclipse of the Heart? That's.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

Is that by Guns and Roses?

[David Sampson]

That's your line.

[Elle Duncan]

That's a classic. That is on a classic. Slider, Dan.

[Greg Cote]

Slider in the dirt.

[Stugotz]

Don't you dare.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

Perdomo swung at it.

[David Sampson]

Total Eclipse of the.

[Elle Duncan]

I sing Total Eclipse of the Heart at karaoke. Still. That's a classic. Rock.

[Stugotz]

You can't go white, guys. When she sings at a karaoke.

[David Sampson]

Total Eclipse.

[Stugotz]

I'm tired. I'm tired of your buttons.

[Elle Duncan]

I do the old school version too. Guys, I need you tonight.

[Stugotz]

Let's go.

[Elle Duncan]

But that song.

[David Sampson]

L. Are you ready? Are you ready for a game of L? Yeah. Or El? Nah. You ready?

[Elle Duncan]

Yes, I'm ready.

[David Sampson]

Filling out a bracket. L. Yeah. Or El. Nah.

[Elle Duncan]

I no longer have the pressure. I no longer have the 500 emails going. Can you please get your bracket done right now so we can post it all over espn.com but Elliot. Yeah. It's fun. It's fun and it makes games that you don't otherwise care about. Interesting.

[Greg Cote]

I literally got that email this morning. Congratulations for the third time.

[David Sampson]

Yeah. Peanuts and Cracker Jack. El. Yeah. Or El. Nah.

[Elle Duncan]

El. No, that's an oldies reference. Peanuts and Cracker Jacks. Like, have anybody. We should update that to, like, the current menus that are offered at ballpark.

[David Sampson]

Take me.

[Elle Duncan]

Buy me some cheese dog helmet caps with ice cream on top. Right.

[Jon Weisman]

Buy me a $17 ice cream helmet.

[Stugotz]

There's such great margin in peanuts and Cracker Jack.

[Jon Weisman]

They still do.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

Peanuts.

[David Sampson]

He only tastes money. He's David Sampson. The Oscars. El. Yeah. Or El Na. Ooh.

[Elle Duncan]

Oh, man. You know, it just depends on the year. I thought it was good the last couple years. This year it just. The bits were so bad in between, but based on the results, I really wanted it for Michael B. Jordan. L. Yeah.

[David Sampson]

Throwing a home run ball back. L. Yeah. Or El Na.

[Elle Duncan]

Yeah. Oh, yeah. I mean, considering the circumstances, yes. If it's the other team, throw it back.

[Jon Weisman]

What about if you. If someone near you has it? Are you chanting, throw it back.

[Elle Duncan]

Throw it back.

[Stugotz]

No, no. You give it to a kid.

[Elle Duncan]

Pressure. No, the peer pressure bit is ridiculous.

[Jon Weisman]

Give it to a Kyle. Chant that. I won't chant throw it back, but I will chant if you don't give it to a kid and there's a kid near you.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah.

[Jon Weisman]

It's bad luck.

[Elle Duncan]

I'll boo at you 100%. I'm with you.

[David Sampson]

Wearing green on St. Patrick's Day.

[Elle Duncan]

Oh, my God. I have already been pinched four times by my children for not wearing green. It's like 11:30am I haven't even had a chance to put on green. But I, I, I wanted so bad to remind them and. And of what St Patrick's Day is supposed to be about the real meaning of the season, which is getting blackout drunk during the day and continuing to convince yourself that you can go back to work. Like, that's what St. Patrick's Day is for. This idea that eat green or wear green or get pinched is stupid. I say that I'm probably gonna go change into green after this, and I'm looking at Mike, who is wearing the greenest shirt possible.

[David Sampson]

That's a yeah.

[Elle Duncan]

Are you the only one?

[David Sampson]

That's a yeah. Is that a yeah? That's a yeah.

[Elle Duncan]

I'll take it as that's an L. No. No to the green.

[David Sampson]

Okay, I got it wrong.

[Elle Duncan]

Too much pressure and I don't. Wait, can I raise you one? An L. No to the people who, on the outside look like they're not wearing green. And then we'll say things like, I have on green underwear. So, like, just trust me on this. I have a green bra on. Like that's. You either show it or you don't.

[David Sampson]

No. An adult bringing a baseball glove to a game.

[Elle Duncan]

This is always so controversial. This goes right along with an adult wearing a jersey to a baseball game or, or not to a baseball game, just wearing a jersey. It depends on where you're sitting. If you are sitting in prime foul ball territory, it's. It's literally like a self defense mechanism. You need to bring a ball glove, period. But if you're in like, I don't know, 45 rows up behind home plate, you probably don't need it.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

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[Mike]

about a special Miller time I had with my good buddy Mochetta. Mochetta texted me the other day, said, hey, what are you doing for the game? I said, I'm just on my couch right now doing nothing, enjoying it. He's like, hey, do you want some company? I said, from you, Mochetta? Absolutely. Mochetta comes over to the house and I pull out the Miller Lite. Miller Lite made that casual hang a memorable good Miller time with my good friend Mochetta because Miller Lite brought us together. We took that first sip after we toasted our beers and we knew we made the right call. We watched a game all of a sudden we're standing up on our feet, big threes are being drained and white cans are being clanged. See times like these. That's exactly why Miller Lite is my go to clean, refreshing, easy to drink, brewed for taste with simple ingredients. The original light beer since 1975 and it still hits different for yours truly and his good friend Mo Chedda. Cheers to legendary moments made with Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounce.

[Jon Weisman]

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[Stugotz]

Don Levatard Tatas Stugats Tatas this is

[Dan Le Batard]

the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[David Sampson]

Watch opening night of the 2026 MLB season on Netflix. It starts March 25th. It's the Giants hosting the Yankees. The pregame show begins at 7pm Eastern. You're doing it with Albert Pujols and Anthony Rizzo. Have you worked with them before? Do you know them at all? Is it this isn't going to quite be the chemistry that you have on that you're leaving behind at E. Espn, I would imagine. Right. You have not worked with these people before.

[Elle Duncan]

I have not, but, you know, I never worked with those people at ESPN until I did. Right. Like, that's my job as the host, is to, like, try to build as much rapport and chemistry as we can and the time that we have together before we hit air. I look forward to the challenge. I've heard nothing but great things about both of them. Rizzo's never really done tv. Albert has. So, yeah, I'm gonna try to figure out where they want the proverbial pitch so that they can knock it out of the park.

[Stugotz]

Just be careful with Pujols because he's trying to be manager now, so he's not going to give tremendous insights that are negative toward many organizations because he's looking to be manager.

[Jon Weisman]

Oh, she'll pull it out.

[Elle Duncan]

I'm going to try my best. Well, you know, I'm hoping that it's going to be okay that I am. We're doing a whole segment about the ABS system, and I'm. I was going to use what happened to his beloved Dominican Republic as an example of why ABs can be incredibly helpful. I hope that's not a sensitive spot.

[David Sampson]

Did you have an opinion of how that game ended? We've been arguing about it for two days. What are your thoughts?

[Greg Cote]

Got a swing, right? L got a swing.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

It's a ball.

[Elle Duncan]

You ha. It's. It was a ball, but it's too close to.

[Stugotz]

It was not that close.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do not leave in the hand.

[Elle Duncan]

You have to swing at that. I played baseball my whole life. You got to swing at that and strike out.

[Stugotz]

Never played baseball.

[Elle Duncan]

You got it. No, no, it wasn't in the dirt. Don' act like it might as well have been. It might as well have been.

[Jon Weisman]

It might as well didn't swing at it.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

The reason why it was a ball.

[Elle Duncan]

It was a ball, but it was too close to leave it in the hands of the umpire. It was not without doubt, knowing if

[Jon Weisman]

it's a ball or a strike. Dan, this is your show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Say something.

[Elle Duncan]

Th. This was not the 1997 NLCS. With the ball.

[David Sampson]

Wow.

[Greg Cote]

Bringing the heat. El Duncan. Bringing the heat.

[Jon Weisman]

Show it.

[Elle Duncan]

Pull it up for it, everyone. Wasn't that obvious.

[Greg Cote]

That's right.

[Jon Weisman]

Pull up the montage. Pharrell.

[Greg Cote]

That's why you're in that.

[David Sampson]

I'm so happy.

[Elle Duncan]

What a joke.

[Jon Weisman]

Oh, this is the good stuff here. L drink it in.

[Elle Duncan]

Like where. Like where the strike zone was. Dade County.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

Oh, they should have swung the bat.

[Jon Weisman]

We're showing the.

[Stugotz]

Eric.

[Elle Duncan]

That was a strike right there. That was a strike. He went there. He went there.

[Mike]

He went there.

[Jon Weisman]

He went there.

[Elle Duncan]

That's not even close.

[Jon Weisman]

There's one more strike and then my favorite one.

[Stugotz]

One pro player.

[Jon Weisman]

We have a strike here.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

It's a strike.

[Jon Weisman]

Come on. Comes the Fred McGriff. Here comes the Fred McGiff. The backdoor curveball that's never closer than

[Greg Cote]

two feet from the plate.

[David Sampson]

It's in the third dugout.

[Stugotz]

Hello.

[Greg Cote]

Take a seat.

[Elle Duncan]

Where is that?

[Mike]

He didn't even try to frame it.

[Jon Weisman]

Rest in power.

[Elle Duncan]

Take a seat.

[David Sampson]

Take a seat. Crime dog. It's what Zaslo just hit him with. Oh, man.

[Jon Weisman]

Good frame by C. Jay.

[David Sampson]

Before you get out of here, L. What do you think is going to happen? You are hosting the USA Network's inaugural season of WNBA coverage for 2026. Do you believe with good amount of certainty that there's going to be a season?

[Elle Duncan]

Yes. There. I like I. I have my sources too. There will be a season. They will get a deal done. It's just a matter of. At this point, we're just dealing with timelines. I mean, you guys, they still like, once they get this done, they still have to release a schedule. They have to Expansion drafts. They have to do like there was a. They have a regular draft which, you know, for all intents and purposes is going to go off without a hitch. But I. I am concerned with the timeline. So I would not be surprised if they had to push the season by a couple of weeks. But I am. I would put my mortgage on the fact that they are Will Chris Cody.

[David Sampson]

That sounds like a. Happens to know to me.

[Jon Weisman]

He happens to know. He happens to know.

[Elle Duncan]

He happens to know.

[Jon Weisman]

She gathers everyone get the children. He happens to know. First time this happened. So wise.

[David Sampson]

She has sources. She's wise.

[Jon Weisman]

First time a woman's known around here.

[David Sampson]

She's can be wise.

[Greg Cote]

You don't believe women can happen to know.

[Dan Le Batard]

I love women.

[David Sampson]

Elle, good seeing you. Always good seeing.

[Jon Weisman]

Wise.

[David Sampson]

You are so wise. You. She has sources too. Just sources too. She is well informed. Thank you.

[Elle Duncan]

I appreciate you guys. Thank you. I love hanging out with you classic men. You're not oldies. You're just classic.

[Greg Cote]

Oh, yeah. It was a ball.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thanks.

[David Sampson]

There you go.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Thank you so much. I didn't get the job at Netflix. Thank you. See you later.

[David Sampson]

Thank you. Elle, it is always a pleasure talking to you. It is wonderful to see her getting all of the assignments that she Did

[Jon Weisman]

David go for the job in Netflix? Did we just find that out?

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

Whoa. Well, after speaking the way I did about Cuba, I might need one, so

[David Sampson]

I'll be giving her a call.

[Mike]

Is that why you.

[Elle Duncan]

How's that going to go on arbitration?

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

It's a little scary.

[Mike]

Pujols isn't going to give you anything.

[Greg Cote]

Can I ask David, why you. You had a strong objection and I didn't get to the bottom of it with us referring to the Marlins as a fire sale and not what the Dolphins are doing right now.

[Stugotz]

I don't like the word fire sale because it's not with the Dolphins. The Dolphins can't win. They have won a playoff game in 25 years. They should get rid of every player and that's it. So what Green Bay is doing in Miami is the smartest thing ever. When you break up a Marlins team that loses 90 games, of course they suck. Get rid of them and bring in new people.

[Greg Cote]

But that's different from what you guys did. You won the World Series.

[Stugotz]

We kept the team together and added over the next two years.

[Greg Cote]

No, I understand.

[Stugotz]

Why just go to Detroit and get overpaid.

[Adrian Wojnarowski]

But.

[Stugotz]

But you have traded directly to the Cubs.

[Greg Cote]

But you had good teams.

[Jon Weisman]

I love. You keep saying things you did.

[David Sampson]

And we traded and Michael. And all we did was we added.

[Jon Weisman]

Other than this, this, this and this.

[Stugotz]

No, no, that was after 05. But the point is what the Dolphins are doing. It's about time. There's been mediocrity here for so long. What's the difference?

[Greg Cote]

Right? But the Dolphins are going to come back, back with a very similar payroll right now than they had before. These trades. The Marlins, when you did it, you had a significantly cheaper payroll.

[Stugotz]

No, that was. You're thinking of from 0526 and you're thinking of Huizenga from 97, for sure.

[Greg Cote]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

So that's just the confusion.

[David Sampson]

Let me. Let me. I want to talk about Waddle and the breaking news with the Dolphins, but I also want to address the distinction that David's making on a fire sale that none of the rest of us would make. You kept breaking up teams. You broke up the team after you started the stadium. And this was different than what it is that the Dolphins are doing now. Because what Zaz is saying is correct. Their payroll is their payroll. And unfortunately for them, they've got more dead money than any team in the league on people they're going to be paying to not play for them next year.

[Stugotz]

That means their payroll is down there. Active payroll will be low.

[Greg Cote]

That's not by choice though. They would love to be able to spend the money they're not allowed to spend.

[Stugotz]

No, they made a mistake stake they so you're being penalized as you should be when your talent evaluators are wrong to and never should have been signed.

[Greg Cote]

But they're not saving any money.

[Mike]

I did enjoy I was listening to the the local hour I did enjoy the dude who traded Miguel Cabrera Asking a bunch of Venezuelans why they're not

[Stugotz]

Marlins fans 8 out of 10 such a made up stat 8 out of 10 Venezuelan surveyed top three answers on the board board do you know where the kosher stand is? Nope. Question 2 Will you be a Marlin season ticket holder?

[Jon Weisman]

Nope.

[Stugotz]

Third question who's the hitting coach for this team? Nope. It's Miguel Cabrera. He doesn't look like Miguel Cabrera.

[David Sampson]

You traded Miguel Cabrera and you wandered around the stadium, a stadium you built, asking Venezuelan fans why doesn't it always feel like this? I didn't do a fire sale. Como said ise fuegoing Espanol.

[Stugotz]

I didn't say that.

[David Sampson]

That the the thing that I wanted to talk to you guys about regarding Jaylen Waddle. When you keep trading players that people know and you have to fumigate the building, how are Dolphin fans supposed to feel about the news that one of the very few things they care about, who they know to be decent, too many drops doesn't get open enough as a number one. But you know him to be recently the future you were investing in and now you are starting over in a way that is as overt a rebuild as the Dolphins have ever had in our lifetime.

[Greg Cote]

This one's interesting because in theory you should be okay with it. Not just because they got back a first and a third, but because the team's going to be terrible. And why pay Jaylen Wallace as a number one wide receiver when he's not? And you're going to be terrible. But the other part of it, which I think is confusing, is we want to make sure we get a proper evaluation on Malik Willis 100%. And so I don't know how we're doing that if they don't have any receivers and if they're noted to throw

[Elle Duncan]

to, then why'd you waste the money on Malik Willis?

[Jon Weisman]

That's what I'm saying.

[Elle Duncan]

Your window of like, all right, is this guy good? Because this you're not going to find out if he's good or not. Next you're going to find out if he's Good.

[Mike]

Aren't they going to. You got to assume now with the stockpile of picks like they're. They're going to. Going to get him a receiver. Right.

[Jon Weisman]

Okay to see he has two. Two out.

[David Sampson]

Well, maybe they're not going to get him a top 10 receiver. They're not going to get somebody the 11th pick. Look, this is, this is a part of the analysis that is required here because what Zaz is saying is correct. Mike loves the packers receivers did before Dobbs moved teams. I don't love the packers receivers, but there's not a dispute on the packers receivers are better than anything the Dolphins presently have in their receivers room. This what I'd be really curious what they told Malik Willis about Waddle and what their plans were with Waddle because I wonder if it would change his thinking at all if the Geno Smith just went to the jets because the jets aren't going to get a quarterback to go over there because nobody's going to want to play with those skill guys.

[Mike]

I mean they have a much better skill guy than Miami has presently in Wilson. He's a really good receiver.

[Jon Weisman]

We have Etienne.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Mike]

If you, if I pulled you aside at a watch party when the Dolphins are ahead of Will Levis on Monday night and I said hey Tua, Tyreek Hill and Jalen Waddle are all going to be gone in two years, would you have believed me? This is crazy. That was the most exciting moment for many adult Miami.

[David Sampson]

They were 9 and 2. They were 9 and 2. They were in first place in the division. I think the Bills were like. Weren't the Bills like three games back or something? Ridiculous.

[Greg Cote]

Three back with five.

[Mike]

Everybody was. Is confident. We have a quarterback. We have two great wide receivers. We have this explosive offense up two

[Greg Cote]

touchdowns in the fourth quarter against Tennessee.

[Mike]

Crazy how quickly everyone's gone.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now then you squinted and it was like is that.

[Elle Duncan]

Is that Dan Marino or is that Will Levis?

[Mike]

I can't tell.

[David Sampson]

I'm going to ask the audience this question. The Dolphins biggest name is Achan Hn.

[Mike]

Yeah. You, you, you do this as a non fantasy football player player like the, the, the fantasy top five value of a champ.

[Elle Duncan]

Malik Willis. Malik Willis.

[Jon Weisman]

Don't forget guys.

[David Sampson]

Paul, you guys are sitting here telling me that you're not. You guys are not surprised that Kenneth Walker gets the same contract as Bradley Chubb because of how disposable all the running backs are. And now you're telling me that an offense that was the number one in the league because if it was a passing offense that their best player is a running back.

[Mike]

Yeah. Because in all summer group chats are going to be mock draf their fantasy drafts and Achan is going to be one of the first five names mentioned.

[David Sampson]

Okay. And right before Achan, I saw Mostert have 20 touchdowns before, like taking the carries from Achan right before that. Because of how interchangeable this is. It's maddening to me. I understand it. But it's maddening to me that for 25 years the dolphins are starting over and you don't know any of their players.