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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Hour 2: The Girl Dad Girl ™ (feat. Elle Duncan & Aram Leighton)
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- [00:01]
Elle Duncan
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- [00:30]
Dan Le Batard
This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.
- [00:38]
Stugotz
You know what's funny about what just happened out there? A good friend of mine who's visiting the studios here, he just walked through and he was looking at stuff and somebody mentioned El Duncan and he doesn't really know about sports follow sports isn't aware of what we'd be doing around here. And when the name El Duncan was said, he said the girl. The. The girl dad, like didn't have a reference point for anything else, but knows her as a connecting human moment. Somewhere between when the helicopter fell out of this guy and Kobe Bryant died and we all learned what a wonderful girl dad he was. Elle Duncan is associated with that in a way I want to get to with her. As Tyrese Halliburton is saying. He's being quoted as saying that he wanted to walk onto the free throw line and walk off the court the way Kobe did, but that his body wouldn't let him. And then he's like, how the hell did Kobe shoot free throws after that? Like, how did he get up off the ground and actually do that? That's the stuff that immortals do. Elle, thank you for joining us. It's always nice when you do join us. But as that moment resonated the story I just told. That's pretty normal for you, correct? Somewhere in your entire career being meaningful and moving to people, you connected with people there in a way that's hugely enduring, correct?
- [01:58]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, it's actually, it's interesting too because sometimes people, like, if someone does know me from sports, like, they'll come up and they'll, you know, be talking to me about sports and then I'll hear them say to the person next to them who's like, who the hell is this? They'll be like, the girl, dad girl. And they'll be like, oh, you know, as a connection point, even after it happened, like, I'd go to the grocery store and it would be like moms that would come up to me that are like, I don't really know you from sports at all, but my husband shared this clip of you about Girl Dad. There are certainly you know, worse things to be known for. And. And so it's. It's. It's definitely one of those. It's just. It's wild to me, Dan, to see even all of these years later. I mean, I shared that story in 2020, and every time someone has a baby, it's a girl dad. Every time someone, like, has to apologize, it's, you know, I'm a girl dad. It's just interesting how it's really taken on a life of its own and it endures.
- [02:49]
Stugotz
What do you remember, though, about all of the moment and having any idea of where it is that you were speaking on behalf of people? You've got no idea when you're doing that? Oh, here's a way for me to connect with humanity at all.
- [03:02]
Dan Le Batard
I. I was just. Was. Honestly, I was just sharing a story with one of our producers at ESPN about the time I met Kobe, because he had just died, and I was doing Sports center that day, and he was like, you should tell that story. I was like, I don't know Kobe. You know, we're watching, like, Tracy McGrady, like, open his heart up, and. And he's visibly upset. We're watching all these people that really knew Kobe. So I've felt like maybe it was, you know, sometimes when people die, you insert yourself into the conversation. I remember. I remember. And so I just felt like maybe it wasn't appropriate. And he was like, no, I just think it humanizes him in a way that has nothing to do with sports. And we're hearing a lot about his sports impact, but, like, this is a really cool moment that you had with them. And. And honestly, at the time when I. When I talked with him about it, it stood out to me because, you know, if Kobe wasn't on your team, like, if you're not a Lakers fan, like, you sports hated Kobe, he would always hurt your teams, and he was. It was, like, devastating. And he was left that conversation with him. And I called my mom and I was like, I think I really like Kobe Bryant. She was like, what? I was like, I think I really like him. He's like a great dude. And we just had this great connection. And. And so then when it happened, I went to bed that night because I did the 6pm Sports center, but I had to do the 7am Sports into the next day. So I went to bed at like, 10pm and I woke up and I had 250 text messages. And the first thing I thought, because y' all know my mouth, I was like, oh, what Did I do, like, what did I say? Oh, no, I'm in trouble. And then I just seeing these people that were like, do you understand what girl dad is becoming? And do you understand, like, what's happening? And obviously it just kind of took off from there. But it was all very surreal because it was just such a devastating time. But I think it helped people compartmentalize and feel like they had a connection point to Kobe. Like, they could never understand what it would be like to be Kobe Bryant, but they could understand what it was like to have such a love for your daughters.
- [04:49]
Greg Cody
More or less text messages. After the Cancun joke.
- [04:55]
Dan Le Batard
I definitely had less text messages. My thing with the Cancun joke is I feel like whenever I say something, it's like sometimes like a reintroduction for some people who clearly don't know me or my work over the last 10 years, I'm like, bro, I said on air one time that if you celebrate too early, it's called premature. I'm Jack Delation. Like, I can't actually imagine that this is worse than that. Like, I feel like I constantly have to remind people I have been saying things like this for the 10 years that I've been at ESPN. So I thought it was silly. I thought it was funny. Some people disagree, Some people definitely agree. But, you know, it is what it is. Like, yes, girls say crude jokes too. The funny part to me, y' all has been like, the people who are like, what am I supposed to say to my children? I'm like, well, if you have to talk to your children about the fact that D is a slang word for a penis, then I hope that I was able to help you have that conversation with your child that's old enough to watch basketball. Because, like, my four year old knows what a penis is. So schmeckle. Yeah, ding dong. I mean, it's deep. It's so silly to me. Like, it's so. We like this. The idea that, like, this is, you know, groundbreaking or somehow, like, completely inappropriate in the landscape that we live in right now is just wild to me. I was a little blown.
- [06:12]
Stugotz
To be real, I think that when we're in an age where Obama's being accused of treason, an age of stupidity, accused of treason to cover everything that he's covering up, it does actually make sense that people would be outraged and up in arms that you would make a dick joke. Yeah. Yes.
- [06:34]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. It makes total sense to me. I think it's a. I personally think it's a double standard, but it is what it is. I also think that there is a disingenuous faction of the media who look for any reason to get me fired or any reason to, like, rage bait. Like, they just wait. And I think those are the people that had probably the strongest reaction.
- [06:53]
Stugotz
I was, I was surprised. Excuse me. I'm sorry to interrupt you. I was surprised the other day that. And look, this has been happening to me for a while too, but when I'm like, ah, the Shane Gillis monologue. Yeah, I know everyone liked it, but hey, girl, like, that's not nicest thing you can do to gay people. Am I wildly offended? No, but whatever. Like, I get yanked into the stream and now it becomes the argument that it becomes. LeBatard criticizes ESPYs. When I'm like, this is what we're doing now. Like, I'm just, yeah, it can be funny. And he's funny. He's obviously funny, but, like, it's not. I mean, call Anthony Towns. You don't need to do that to him or gay people.
- [07:26]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, as soon as you say, like, joke, I, I, I felt, you know, more of the outrage in my space was around the Caitlyn Clark joke. I felt like it was a joke that didn't land. You know, I felt like his first joke was really funny about they both nail threes. I thought the other one just didn't really land. I thought it was like, punching down a little bit. You know, it's like, very easy to pick on, you know, this sort of narrative and discourse that has surrounded the W for the last two years. It just felt lazy to me. It felt. But I like Shane Gillis. Like, I think he's really funny, and, like, I think his show tires is really funny. And that's apparently an unpopular opinion, too. To be able to have some nuance and say some of his jokes were funny, some of them weren't so funny and didn't land. Like, it's as simple as that.
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Greg Cody
I think the nuance here is that a lot of people are more than comfortable telling Karl Anthony Towns that he should be offended by it because they're making assumptions of their own on Carl Anthony Townes. I think Shane Gillis is seizing on something that is a popular meme across the Internet about how Karl Anthony Towns speaks. And for people to come out on behalf of Karl Anthony Townes and say that's lazy. Well, I say, here's a mirror.
- [08:25]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, I'm with you.
- [08:26]
Elle Duncan
Yeah.
- [08:26]
Dan Le Batard
There was a whole, like, social media clip that was going around of Knicks fans imitating Karl Anthony Towns. And they all said it like all of them were like, hey girl. So he, he probably just kind of like saw that video and, and borrowed from there. But yeah, I think in general what we choose to be outraged about and what we choose to turn a blind eye on is quite a study.
- [08:44]
Chris Cody
Not all meals are created equal. For instance, breakfast has the spicy egg McMuffin for a limited time and lunch does it. McDonald's breakfast comes first. Don Lebatard someone say conservative entity?
- [09:02]
Elle Duncan
Wow.
- [09:03]
Stugotz
No. Oh, see this is why stugats.
- [09:08]
Elle Duncan
Hers is better than mine.
- [09:11]
Stugotz
How is the fifth Sagaki better than the third and the fourth Sage already?
- [09:14]
Dan Le Batard
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.
- [09:30]
Stugotz
Well, tell us because you live in this world now, you have become an avatar and politicized. You are very strong. You've been very strong for a long time and you're now doing vibe check which is I'm gonna say unlike anything in the history of ESPN and maybe Disney. Do I have that wrong?
- [09:50]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, no. It's the first women led sports show. I mean it's the first sports show on Disney plus. You know, we have SC plus that joined a while ago and now it's us. I think it's, I listen, I think it is a really cool opportunity to show we've got and you know this Dan. Like we have a lot of really talented women that work at ESPN that do a great job at their role, but also role specific don't necessarily get to stretch as many muscles or so, as many tools as they have. So this just gives us an opportunity to, to talk and expound this idea though that it was going to be, you know, one of the things that we all were very clear on from the beginning was like it's going to skew female because the perspectives are coming from women. But like we're going to talk about all sports. Like it's not going to just be, we're going to be more of a home for women's sports because that home doesn't exist currently right now. But we're also going to like we talked to Mina Kimes yesterday, right? Like she in my mind, gender aside, is like the brightest mind in all of football. Like I want to talk to her about football all the time. It doesn't really matter. And so yeah, but it's, you know, again it's this sort of the weird part of all of this is the randos that are just sort of waiting on this to fail. It's like, you know, like they're just they're just waiting. They're like, I didn't see you last week on vibe check, so you must have got fired. And it's just, it's so bonkers to me. It's the same group in the same population who are outraged that the WNBA players are asking for more money. They're not asking for money from you, Doug, dummy. They didn't ask you for to Venmo them. Like, why do you give a damn if they get more money? It doesn't mean anything. She doesn't matter to you and you don't care. You just lay in wait so that you can be nasty and so that you can pray for someone's demise. It's the wackiest, goofiest behavior and it's pervasive.
- [11:33]
Stugotz
Why?
- [11:33]
Dan Le Batard
Because I think it's open season on women. I think in particular it's open season on black women. Like they feel like a non protected class. So it's very easy to be able to sort of just, you know, again, low hanging fruit. It's very easy to target someone like me. I'm for the most part not going to clap back because I don't really care. And I think that's just sort of the trend that we're seeing. I see a lot of women that I work with that are feeling incredibly. Not unsafe is not really the word, but they're feeling very unprotected because it's, it's the time right now, it's trendy right now to dunk on women. You know, I don't know exactly where that started. I have some, I have some, some, some, you know, I think tells on where it started. I know that as black women, you know, after Kamala Harris lost, not to be political, but after there really was a. The group chats were going crazy with just black women in general that were like, this feels like it's going to sort of be a trend of being able to feel like now we can like black women are being put back in their place. And I think women in general, like, let's put them back in their place. They're getting a little too cute. They're, they're, they're doing a little bit too much in this space. So we need to remind them that they should be grateful for what they have and that they're not really wanted here anyway. But you know, I think that's horseshit.
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Stugotz
I can't tell you how much I love that you rub your hands together while saying that. That like just eager to sort of explain to us. Look do you know how shitty this has been for black women? And again, again, we're. This really, really. We've got to fight everyone. What is the correct take on the WNBA's Collective Bargaining Agreement situation?
- [13:09]
Dan Le Batard
The correct take is that, you know, for all of the bad faith characters are saying things like, they've never been profitable. They've never. This, I would beg you to say at the company that you work for, okay, Profitability is the concern of the cfo, the CEO, the board members. Imagine your company coming to you and going, you know, we're not really profitable, so we really don't want to pay you. That's not how this works at all. And the idea of where this is headed, we see the growth. CBAs are negotiated every six, seven, eight years, right? So, like, they have got to negotiate right now based on where they're going to be eight years from now. And the numbers don't lie, y'. All. They don't lie. Three years ago, when the Golden State Valkyries bought their team, it was a $50 million expansion fee. Three years later, that fee went up to $250 million that three teams paid for to expand in the W. And that number is only going to grow. So you're talking about outlooking and forecasting where this league is going to be. And the idea that you don't think that these women should be paid more money is absolutely bananas to me. Again, it doesn'. You. It doesn't affect you. People keep comparing them to the NBA. They have a 50 year head start. Y' all stop it. They're not asking for NBA money. They're not asking for 30, 40, $50 million a year. They're asking for money commensurate to where their forecasts are going to be eight years from now, period. And so the correct. In my mind, the correct answer here is pay these women what they're worth. You can't argue the fact that NFL players get 50% of revenue and they get somewhere between like 7 and 10%. That just doesn't make any sense. So that's what they're negotiating in good fai. They're negotiating for consistency and practice facilities. It's all the things that you don't see. You know, Angel Reese, I talked to her the other day and she's like, you know, she. She's bold enough to call out her own team and say, like, the Chicago sky won a championship a handful of years ago. We don't even have a practice facility. Like, this is not okay. And so there needs to be a through Line. There needs to be some consistency about how we're treating these women, how much we're paying them, which is the sticking point, really. But also some consistency in rosters, how many players they can get on the team because they keep expanding, they keep making more games, and they don't keep expanding rosters, which is why we're seeing so much fatigue, so many more injuries. Like, these things matter and are important. And anybody that's a fan or not a fan should be on board. For people getting paid, like how you side on. On the. The side of a billionaire corporation or a league corporation is so wild to me as an everyman. The only people that should feel like these women shouldn't get paid is the league because it's in their best interest to try to keep them making as less money as possible so that their profit margins are larger. It just doesn't make sense.
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Stugotz
I really need to turn the temperature down around here because she's screaming at me. She yelled something about bullshit. She's out of control again. Horseshit and horseshit. Like, I really need to settle it down. Jeremy, can you give me a game show of some sort that helps me settle her down? Because she's out of control. She's cursing on air. She's going to get in trouble with the network.
- [16:15]
Chris Cody
It's time for another edition of L, yes or El No, I get it. L. Duncan, it is okay to take your first date to Pizza Hut. L. Yes or El no.
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Dan Le Batard
Okay. I actually love Pizza Hut so much, and Pizza Huts are becoming rarer and rarer by the day. So if you can find a Pizza Hut that does the formal, like, checkered tablecloth, Ms. Pac man salad bar. Absolutely. L. Yes.
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Chris Cody
That's huge news for your guy, Greg Cody, because that's exactly what he did on his very first date.
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Elle Duncan
Tell.
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Greg Cody
Give her the whole thing.
- [16:54]
Chris Cody
But this is the other part. Elle, it is okay on the first date to sit on the same side of the booth.
- [17:03]
Dan Le Batard
Absolutely not. L. No. No, no, no. Wow. I didn't even finish. It's so invasive. No, no. I had someone do that to me. I was so thrown off. It's very creepy. Very invasive. I don't. And it's. I just know, like, you're being a little presumptuous, too, that I want to sit next to you. I don't even know you. Like, it's. No. Nope.
- [17:24]
Chris Cody
Or el no.
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Stugotz
On the first date, Greg Cody took his wife to Pizza Hut. Yes. And sat next to Earlene, and they got married. But he thought he was being romantic. And she thought he was being creepy.
- [17:39]
Dan Le Batard
Yes, that's creepy. I'm glad it all worked out for you in the long run. But it connected a lot on first date's wild behavior.
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Elle Duncan
It created me.
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Stugotz
Yeah. So that's not it working out.
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Dan Le Batard
Yeah, it's gross.
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Chris Cody
It's an insult. It's an insult to tell someone they have a soda drinker's body.
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Greg Cody
I mean, come on, come on, come on. What are you laughing at? What are you laughing at?
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Dan Le Batard
Oh, who said that? Hell yes. That's so horrible. That's awful.
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Greg Cody
A mean person said it.
- [18:17]
Dan Le Batard
Very mean.
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Stugotz
Give me an athlete who looks like they've got a soda drinker's body. When I just ask you to conjure any athlete that you have to choose from who has a soda or celebrity, just, just who do you think of when you think of soda drinker's body? What do you. What body type are you looking at?
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Dan Le Batard
Like jelly roll. I mean, I know he's done a great job losing a lot of weight, but I would say he still looks like he takes down a gallon of coke a day.
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Stugotz
Tony, argue with her.
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Greg Cody
He's got nice teeth.
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Chris Cody
The ish. The issue is that that's two on the other side.
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Greg Cody
Like, we need somebody more in the middle. Right. Like I said, George Niang. Now that's a soda drinker's body.
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Dan Le Batard
Somebody who.
- [18:57]
Greg Cody
You know professional athletes.
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Elle Duncan
Yeah, we had Kevin Ukulele, like skinny fat Patrick Mahomes.
- [19:01]
Greg Cody
There you go.
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Chris Cody
Soda drinker.
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Dan Le Batard
He. Yeah, he. He definitely looks like a Mountain Dew guy. Like, he's just like, yeah. And then he does the thing where he's like, but it's Diet Mountain Dew, which is somehow better in their mind.
- [19:12]
Stugotz
My brother, you said skinny fat. My brother always used the phrase fit fat. And he always would, like, he would just. He would celebrate in the streets watching somebody. But these people were deeply unhealthy. Unhealthy. Like they were living a lifestyle that was good enough to make them fit, but everything else they were doing was wrong.
- [19:31]
Dan Le Batard
Yes. I. I used to work at a restaurant and I worked at a wing place. And like, just to see the orders, they'd be like, I want cheese steaks, I want chicken fingers. I want wings. I want fries. And I'll have a diet Coke, please. And it has to be diet. It would just be so wild to me. They've convinced themselves that the couple grams of sugar that they're saving is just gonna have nothing to do with all the other crap they're eating.
- [19:53]
Chris Cody
Chris, bring down the bed for a Second, I got another one I want to do with you.
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Dan Le Batard
Oh, this is a serious one.
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Chris Cody
Yeah, this is. This is a real one. L. Yes. Or el. No. It is okay to pronounce this name this way.
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Elle Duncan
Is Nika Ogumake. What is Nika Ogumake?
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Chris Cody
Now that's supposed to be Neko Ogumuke.
- [20:13]
Elle Duncan
Is Nika Ogumake. Is Nika Ogumake.
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Dan Le Batard
Nika Ogumake. Okay, first of all, her name is actually Namcotti. But yes, she goes affectionately by Neca. That's wild. Because my thing is, like, I've definitely had some names that have tripped me up. Like, they just throw them at you. Last minute, you got to do a highlight and you're like, I don't. I don't know that much about the third circuit of cricket, so I don't know this person's name. And I apologize. But Neko Gumake is like a full former MVP and the president of the players association and like Stanford's hall of fame and a champion. So I don't know how you don't know her name. That's crazy.
- [20:54]
Elle Duncan
Is Nika Ogumake.
- [20:56]
Chris Cody
Thank you, David Sampson.
- [20:57]
Stugotz
We don't dare play any of David Sampson Spanish for her. Right? How good is your Spanish? L. Good seeing you. Thank you as always for making time for US SportsCenter host. Host of ESPN's Vibe Check. Vibe Check is every Monday, Wednesday and Friday, 5pm Eastern, exclusively on Eastern Disney Plus. You can't be on enough. Elle, thank you for being on with us.
- [21:18]
Dan Le Batard
Thank you. Bye. Greg. Oh, hey, what's up, Greg?
- [21:22]
Stugotz
Chris Cody has not let go of that yet. He is still mad at her because she called him Greg. Jeremy's Pitch Clock is coming up. Have you enjoyed that, Zaslow? Have you been consuming a lot of Pitch Clock?
- [21:34]
Greg Cody
Can I tell you something?
- [21:35]
Chris Cody
I don't know?
- [21:35]
Greg Cody
Maybe like a month ago and I decided to watch Pitch Clock and I told Jeremy, this is a good show you're doing.
- [21:43]
Chris Cody
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- [21:45]
Elle Duncan
Now I was looking for fun ways.
- [21:47]
Chris Cody
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- [21:52]
Elle Duncan
So I thought it would be fun if we made $15 bills, but it.
- [21:57]
Chris Cody
Turns out that's very illegal. So there goes my big idea for the commercial.
- [22:02]
Elle Duncan
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- [22:05]
Dan Le Batard
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- [22:29]
Elle Duncan
My name is Happy Gilmore. I haven't swung a cub in years.
- [22:33]
Dan Le Batard
You know what you gotta do? Grip it and rip it or.
- [22:38]
Arm Layton
Oh, now that is some Happy Gilmore.
- [22:44]
Stugotz
Everyone is talking about the comeback kid. Happy Gilmore.
- [22:47]
Dan Le Batard
Happy name.
- [22:49]
Elle Duncan
Yeah baby. Happy Gilmore. The second of only on Netflix July.
- [22:55]
Greg Cody
25Th rated PT13 may be inappropriate for children under 13.
- [22:58]
Chris Cody
Don Lebatard it sounds to me like everybody could use a hug. Because a hug is always the right size. Stugats. All I have put put in my body today is three cups of coffee and an entire cup of honey.
- [23:15]
Elle Duncan
Don't let him fool you. He said in the break that he's jittery.
- [23:18]
Dan Le Batard
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.
- [23:24]
Chris Cody
Welcome to the Pitch Clock. Here's the Pitch, a two part baseball segment combining a nostalgic baseball trivia game and an interview with an expert. This. This is the Pitch Clock. It's time for another episode of the Pitch Clock.
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Elle Duncan
Hi, Robota.
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Chris Cody
Taylor, we have another game. We'll get to our expert very shortly, but let's get started on this. Taylor, what do we got going today.
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Arm Layton
In front of you guys? You have the 2002 MLB All Star Game and the starters at each position. We're going to do a new format for this game.
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Dan Le Batard
Game.
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Arm Layton
Each guess you make is a half inning. So we're gonna play nine innings. Chris is going to be the home team. Jeremy is the road team. The highest total after the nine innings is the winner. So Jeremy, this is. This is considered the top of the first inning. Your. Your guess.
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Chris Cody
Behind the dish. In the National League, Mike Piazza.
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Arm Layton
One point. That is correct.
- [24:28]
Elle Duncan
National League first base, Rockies Todd Helton.
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Chris Cody
Yep.
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Arm Layton
One one after one inning.
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Elle Duncan
Nobody guesses Todd Helton more in these games than me.
- [24:35]
Chris Cody
Yeah, for real. Playing right field in the National League for the San Francisco Giants, Barry Bonds.
- [24:41]
Stugotz
Wow.
- [24:42]
Elle Duncan
See, it's smart of you to realize that good outfield, even though he was a left fielder.
- [24:47]
Arm Layton
It is. It is. Barry Bonds. I will say the outfield isn't really player specific.
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Chris Cody
Okay, that's good to know.
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Arm Layton
Position.
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Elle Duncan
Specifically that from Barry Bonds who was clearly a left fielder.
- [24:58]
Chris Cody
Yeah, very good to know. Okay, you're up.
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Elle Duncan
Catching for the American League, Jorge Posada.
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Arm Layton
Hip hip Jorge Two. Two after two.
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Chris Cody
What we have listed as a left fielder, but probably played right field in the National League for the Chicago Cubs. Sammy sosa.
- [25:19]
Arm Layton
That's correct.
- [25:21]
Elle Duncan
2002. Yeah. I'm just gonna stay safe. Ichiro, right field, Mariners, whatever.
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Chris Cody
You got it.
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Arm Layton
It is correct.
- [25:31]
Chris Cody
Churro is the Mariner and the Minnesota Twin playing center field is Tori Hunter.
- [25:36]
Elle Duncan
Was this the one when he robbed Barry? Was this in Milwaukee?
- [25:40]
Chris Cody
No, but yes.
- [25:42]
Elle Duncan
My turn.
- [25:42]
Chris Cody
Bottom of the fourth.
- [25:43]
Elle Duncan
Alex Rodriguez, Shortstop, Texas Rangers.
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Arm Layton
That is correct.
- [25:48]
Elle Duncan
AF album four.
- [25:50]
Arm Layton
Four after four. This. This one feels like first one to miss.
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Chris Cody
Yeah, it does a little bit.
- [25:54]
Arm Layton
Could do. Yeah.
- [25:56]
Chris Cody
Our 2025 MLB expert for this week has actually joined me in studio. It's Arm Layton of Just Baseball. Thank you for joining me here in studio in Miami.
- [26:06]
Greg Cody
This is an honor and it's awesome to be here in person.
- [26:08]
Chris Cody
This is going to be a blast. And, and where I want to start is with a team that, that if you're not following Major League Baseball, really in depth. The Milwaukee brewers, all of a sudden over the last month, month and a half have been playing out of their minds on the type of pace that people thought the Dodgers would be on. They even swept the Dodgers in that stretch. Analytically, you would never think that this is one of the best teams in baseball. Can you explain to me how this is happening?
- [26:36]
Greg Cody
Yeah, I think they play old school baseball in a new school way, which, which I really like because there might not be something that jumps off the page with them, but you'd be to poke a hole in their game, whether it's on the pitching side. Defensively, they're fantastic. Offensively, I mean, they're not going to light it up, but they're still middle of the pack in home runs. And then they steal as many bags as just about any team in Major League Baseball. I think they're the new gold standard really, of, of being efficient and analytically driven in ways that people outside can't really see. Because we would have the same conversation about the race.
- [27:09]
Chris Cody
Yeah, no, it makes all the sense in the world. Right. Every team has access to the same data, are trying to find ways to not only interpret that data differently and be able to find players within the margins, but then also teach to what they believe the most important strengths are in developing their players. And now you're, you're seeing it come to fruition with the Milwaukee brewers. And, and literally they are the best team in baseball, which makes no sense. And ironically, the other one being the Tigers, for the most part, same sort of deal that back end of that bullpen last year. It was the reason they were able to go on that run. And you're seeing the brewers do some similar things. But I want to talk to you a little bit about the upcoming MLB trade deadline. Which team in baseball do you think needs to be the most aggressive at this trade deadline to turn themselves from a very good team into a legitimate contender?
- [28:01]
Greg Cody
I look at the Chicago Cubs because I think it's multifaceted too, right? With the second you traded for Kyle Tucker, you gave up some good pieces. I support that when you're going all in to win the World Series. But you got to follow that up with more moves. Right? They weren't a Kyle Tucker away from being a World Series team. They're really good, and I think they've got a shot. Any team can get hot and make a run, but the second they made that move, it was like, I think you got to do more.
- [28:22]
Chris Cody
Now that makes sense.
- [28:23]
Greg Cody
The pitching staff looks good. You know, Matthew Boyd has been a revelation. He's been really fun to watch. But you look at that bullpen, you look at the rest of the staff. If you're really trying to make a push in the postseason, you got to go for it and give that indication. And the Cubs also have one of baseball's strongest farm systems with multiple top 100 prospects that are already on the 40 man. Owen Casey, power hitting corner outfielder is on one of the best teeters also right now in aaa. Moises Ballesteros, he's catcher, more bat driven, but he's coming along defensively. Plenty of teams would love to have that guy. And then Kevin Alcantara, he's a plus defender in center field. There's some swing and miss concerns, but teams will take a chance on a guy like that. One with good power, can stick and center any day of the week. And those are all guys that are already in Triple A. So if you're a gm, acquiring those guys, you feel a little bit more comfortable about the proximity and also just the hit rate there.
- [29:13]
Chris Cody
Okay, I'm gonna go. I'm gonna do it. Center field in the National League. Montreal Expos. Vladimir Guerrero.
- [29:24]
Elle Duncan
Yep, Good guess.
- [29:25]
Arm Layton
It is, Vlad.
- [29:28]
Chris Cody
Why am I so nervous about a.
- [29:29]
Elle Duncan
Couple Yankees second baseman Alfonso Soriano.
- [29:32]
Chris Cody
Nice call. Nice call.
- [29:34]
Arm Layton
It is Alfonso Soriano. What a moment he had, man.
- [29:37]
Chris Cody
Not only that, but that he and A Rod were the middle infield traded for each other. What? Following season.
- [29:42]
Elle Duncan
Yeah, there's 03, right?
- [29:43]
Chris Cody
That's crazy.
- [29:44]
Elle Duncan
And then they were like. And Then they're like now getting left field.
- [29:47]
Chris Cody
All right, I'm gonna do my first pitcher here, and I'm gonna take the Arizona Diamondbacks. And I'm nervous, but I'm taking Randy Johnson.
- [29:56]
Arm Layton
Jeremy's gonna go scoreless.
- [29:58]
Stugotz
Yes.
- [29:59]
Elle Duncan
I was just like, let. Hopefully he goes to it. Yes, it did. I'm gonna go with Kurt. Oh, wait, who'd you say? Kurt Schilling.
- [30:07]
Chris Cody
My bad.
- [30:07]
Elle Duncan
I was just like, wait a second.
- [30:09]
Arm Layton
That would have been a disaster if.
- [30:12]
Elle Duncan
I forgot which one he said, well.
- [30:14]
Chris Cody
I just thought you were gonna skip it. And then I was just gonna go back, back to it, make sure that I scored a run.
- [30:19]
Elle Duncan
That would have been smart of me.
- [30:21]
Arm Layton
65, Chris Cody after six innings.
- [30:24]
Chris Cody
Okay.
- [30:25]
Elle Duncan
He's going for four in a row, folks.
- [30:28]
Chris Cody
All right, well, then I'm going to go. Boston Red Sox pitcher for the American League, Pedro Martinez.
- [30:33]
Elle Duncan
Think about it.
- [30:34]
Arm Layton
This has now turned into a disaster. It's another score. Listening.
- [30:37]
Chris Cody
Are you kidding?
- [30:38]
Dan Le Batard
Oh, my God.
- [30:39]
Chris Cody
Who would have been what?
- [30:42]
Elle Duncan
Left field? Boston Red Sox. Damn. It wasn't a left fielder.
- [30:46]
Chris Cody
No, he wasn't.
- [30:48]
Elle Duncan
You're right. I thought he played some right field, too.
- [30:50]
Chris Cody
No, not really.
- [30:51]
Elle Duncan
Manny Ramirez.
- [30:52]
Chris Cody
Yeah.
- [30:52]
Arm Layton
Yep. They try to. They try to hide him with the Green Monster.
- [30:56]
Chris Cody
Let's go ahead and move forward here. Right. The number one name that seems to be on the trade market in terms of this guy's gonna be moved, and he's a great, great, great player is Yohenio Suarez. Which team do you think needs to acquire Yohenio Suarez as a third baseman the most? And what do you think that the price tag, in a general sense, ultimately looks like?
- [31:21]
Greg Cody
Suarez, I think, may be the most prolific power hitter to be traded at the deadline, because I don't think we've ever seen somebody with 35 plus homers moved before the deadline. So. But I look at the Mariners, man, he has familiarity there. They love him there. I mean, the fans, he'd get an all time standing O if they brought him back, back in town. One, because I think they just would be so happy to get more offense there. But two, because he was beloved there. He's been beloved everywhere he goes. And there's not a lot of players that have the experience of having hit there for whatever reason. It's hard to see in Seattle. I don't know what the deal is. And I think that's a guy that would really jolt that offense and plugs right in at third base for them. And that's why I think the Mariners, though, it's Uncharacteristic. Could really push the chips.
- [32:00]
Chris Cody
They're in prime position for it. And it. He is the type of player that totally changes your entire lineup. Like putting him there and hearing what those offers are probably going to look like. How could the Diamondbacks not make that move? So I want you to give me, if you can, three to five other players that you think will get moved, why they'll get moved, and ultimately a prediction of where they'll get moved.
- [32:29]
Greg Cody
So I want to go a little bit edgier here. Not the obvious players. Right. The rentals on bad teams. Of course they're going to get traded. Yonderan from the. From the Twins. I think this is a spot to cash in if you're the Twins. This core, it just. It doesn't seem like it's totally going to work out. Duran's dealt with some injury history over the last couple years, even as a prospect when he was a starting pitcher. I think this is peak of his value. Two years of control after this one. And another team that I would have said should probably go all in a little bit more is the Phillies. That core is not getting any younger. Zach Wheeler is going to retire after 2027. Bryce Harper ain't getting any younger. Trey Turner's not getting any younger. J.C. romeuto. Kyle Schwab is going to be a free agent. And I look at that team, you got the starting pitch and Christopher Sanchez just wanted cg. He's been unbelievable. But the bullpen, they signed David Robertson for a reason. 6 million the rest of the season. But I want someone that can lock it down. That's great, and I think Duran's a guy that can really push them over the top.
- [33:21]
Chris Cody
Are there any other guys that you're focused on here?
- [33:24]
Greg Cody
A surprise might be Taj Bradley from the Rays. That's where I could see the Cubs get creative. Generally, they don't. Don't go all in on rentals. They like to manage things a little bit more carefully. Look at the big picture. Bradley comes with control. So you could make the case, hey, we're adding our pitcher for this year, but at the same time, we're. We're making an acquisition where if things go south, for whatever reason, we get bounced in the first round. We're not going to be upset that we moved assets for a pitcher here. So I think that would be a really nice match.
- [33:52]
Chris Cody
That's the exact type of player you want to acquire. I want one more name from you. One more name with one more prediction of where they're Going to end up up.
- [33:58]
Greg Cody
This is the rental side. I just. I think this is such a fun fit is the Astros are probably not going to go crazy. Their farm system's probably one of the weakest in Major League Baseball. But I see Cedric Mullins as the perfect fit to make that team. So balanced out rocks right. He's going to go get it in center field and I think he could be the perfect spark for them with the speed, sneaky power and great defense up the middle.
- [34:17]
Chris Cody
This has been tremendous arm. Thank you so much. I'm definitely going to on our next episode of the Pitch Clock when we return, check in and see how right you were or how wrong you were on these predictions. But I love the insight. I'm sure our fans are grateful for it and we're gonna have you back in here at some point soon. This is. This has been a lot of fun. Thank you. Hey everyone go check out just baseball. What he and Jack do over there is tremendous and you know, Ethan's a part of it kinda, you know, whatever. We love you, Ethan. Back to our game with Chris. This is a disaster. So I'm gonna take. I'm gonna take one of these.
- [34:54]
Elle Duncan
This.
- [34:54]
Chris Cody
I'm gonna take one of those Phillies. Scott Roland. Yeah, it has to be.
- [34:58]
Arm Layton
It is Scott rolling.
- [34:59]
Chris Cody
Thank God.
- [35:00]
Elle Duncan
The real question is it's just like was this guy their shortstop this early?
- [35:04]
Chris Cody
Exactly.
- [35:04]
Arm Layton
That's the same.
- [35:05]
Chris Cody
It's the. We're having the same question.
- [35:07]
Elle Duncan
But I don't think they had another all star shortstop. So it just kind of has to be.
- [35:10]
Chris Cody
I can't figure who's the red sock pitcher.
- [35:15]
Elle Duncan
That is true. I'm struggling as well.
- [35:16]
Chris Cody
I can't. I mean there's. Look, there's someone in my brain. Wait now. But there's no way.
- [35:21]
Elle Duncan
Couldn't have been the guy that you guessed for the other side. Is he there then see I don't know timelines.
- [35:27]
Chris Cody
Yeah, you're right. It's him.
- [35:29]
Elle Duncan
Yeah, it is him.
- [35:30]
Chris Cody
It's him. But now I'm afraid you have confidence.
- [35:32]
Arm Layton
I'm trying to follow your guys line of thinking and I'm.
- [35:35]
Chris Cody
Did Chris Cody just say that Randy Johnson was a Red Sox? Yeah, let him guess.
- [35:39]
Elle Duncan
It was saying Kurt Shilling. Obviously that's who I was going to say. But no, that's not my guess. Relax, I'm going to go. Jimmy Rollin shortstop film Phillies.
- [35:48]
Arm Layton
It took a while to get there, but Chris Cody does clinch the win.
- [35:52]
Elle Duncan
I feel like if everything I said there was no spot on what I said was I was like, it could be no more at third. Which I don't think that's actually true because I don't think they would start a shortstop at third.
- [36:00]
Chris Cody
Right.
- [36:01]
Elle Duncan
Or Bill Miller.
- [36:02]
Chris Cody
No way. It's Bill Miller.
- [36:04]
Elle Duncan
He was a good third. Baseball.
- [36:05]
Chris Cody
You're not going to believe the name.
- [36:06]
Greg Cody
It is.
- [36:06]
Chris Cody
All right, hold on.
- [36:07]
Elle Duncan
And then I was gonna say it could be Kurt Schilling because he played on the Diamondbacks and, like, he also.
- [36:11]
Chris Cody
Was a red side, but it was Kurt Schiller. Chilling. When you guessed. I guess Randy Johnson.
- [36:14]
Elle Duncan
Oh, my bad. That's right. So there it is. That's the part I heard.
- [36:17]
Arm Layton
Chilling, though.
- [36:17]
Chris Cody
If you would.
- [36:19]
Arm Layton
Both sides.
- [36:20]
Elle Duncan
That would have been wild.
- [36:21]
Chris Cody
I would have loved if you guessed.
- [36:23]
Elle Duncan
That's why you said it. Oh, so you knew it wasn't marked to share it, too?
- [36:25]
Chris Cody
Is that why it's not tech.
- [36:26]
Elle Duncan
So that's why you're like, I think it's so obvious.
- [36:30]
Arm Layton
I think you should guess the picture.
- [36:32]
Chris Cody
Well, I didn't think that you had any clue what the other ones were. And Rollins was ultimately the only one you felt confident with.
- [36:37]
Elle Duncan
I have.
- [36:37]
Chris Cody
I have. Have a. So the Yankees first baseman, it's either Tino or Giambi, but I think it's Tino at that point. Right.
- [36:45]
Elle Duncan
I'd go Giambi.
- [36:47]
Arm Layton
Giambi.
- [36:48]
Chris Cody
Okay, good. I'm glad I didn't guess it.
- [36:50]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah.
- [36:51]
Chris Cody
There's no way the Red Sox pitcher is Derek Lowe.
- [36:54]
Arm Layton
It was Derek.
- [36:55]
Chris Cody
You gotta be.
- [36:56]
Elle Duncan
And was it no more at third?
- [36:58]
Arm Layton
It wasn't no more. This one is. This one was by far the toughest name.
- [37:02]
Elle Duncan
Hold on, don't say it.
- [37:04]
Chris Cody
I don't have a shot.
- [37:04]
Elle Duncan
Give me initial. I mean, I know I'm gonna get this.
- [37:07]
Arm Layton
Think, think. Toronto Blue Jay, too. Sh.
- [37:13]
Elle Duncan
Oh. Shay Hillenbrand.
- [37:17]
Chris Cody
Shea Hillenbrand.
- [37:19]
Elle Duncan
I mean, you had to walk me there, but I still feel good about it.
- [37:21]
Chris Cody
And is the Montreal Expo second baseman Brian Giles?
- [37:25]
Arm Layton
No.
- [37:25]
Chris Cody
No.
- [37:26]
Arm Layton
Okay, good Initials for the Expo second baseman. J.V.
- [37:30]
Elle Duncan
J.V.
- [37:32]
Chris Cody
I. Wow.
- [37:33]
Elle Duncan
Give me another hint.
- [37:34]
Chris Cody
Yeah. Anything else? Did he play for another team?
- [37:37]
Arm Layton
Career. 300 hitter, three time all star Silver Slugger.
- [37:40]
Chris Cody
What?
- [37:41]
Elle Duncan
Jose Vizcaino.
- [37:43]
Dan Le Batard
No way.
- [37:44]
Arm Layton
Right. First name, Jose Vidra.
- [37:46]
Elle Duncan
Oh, my God. Nice little hitter. Nice little hitter. That guy that was like a. Like a Pasito Polanco type hitter.
- [37:54]
Chris Cody
Shea Hillen.
- [37:55]
Elle Duncan
Like a guy that'll bat like 290 for you.
- [37:58]
Chris Cody
I can't believe Shay Hillenbrand. Derek Lowe.