Hour 2: The Height Requirement

Summary

Summary of "Hour 2: The Height Requirement"

Date Released: April 7, 2025

Podcast Information:

• Title: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
• Hosts: Dan Le Batard and Stugotz
• Description: Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve into a myriad of topics ranging from sports to pop culture, featuring segments like the daily “Local Hour” that highlights the South Florida scene.

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1. NBA Hall of Fame Inductions

Timestamp: 01:51 – 05:07

Dan Le Batard kicks off the episode by discussing recent announcements in the NBA Hall of Fame. He expresses surprise and admiration for Billy Donovan's induction, highlighting Donovan's achievements with the Florida basketball team.

Dan Le Batard (01:51): "That Billy Donovan is in the hall of Fame now. It is true. Florida's in the final game tonight. It is true that he won two titles..."

The conversation shifts to Mickey Arison's induction, emphasizing his significant impact as the owner of the Miami Heat. Stugotz praises Arison's leadership and the franchise's success under his ownership.

Stugotz (02:39): "I saw that since he became the point person for the Miami Heat. They are the winningest team in the Eastern Conference in terms of regular season record..."

Dan raises questions about other potential inductees like Joe Lobe, probing into the criteria and processes behind these honors.

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2. The Dark Side of 'What Ifs' in Sports

Timestamp: 06:03 – 08:30

The hosts delve into the concept of "what ifs" in professional sports, particularly criticizing how fans and executives often use hypothetical scenarios to rationalize disappointing performances.

Dan Le Batard (07:18): "I think we need to eliminate what ifs from professional sports because what ifs do nothing..."

They specifically address the Philadelphia 76ers, lamenting the team's repeated shortcomings despite high-profile signings like Paul George and Tyrese Maxey. The discussion highlights the frustration of continuous investment without tangible improvement.

Stugotz (07:18): "The Paul George contract really sent it overboard..."

Dan underscores the futility of "what if" scenarios, asserting that they only serve as excuses for failures rather than fostering accountability.

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3. Privacy in the Digital Age

Timestamp: 08:30 – 17:34

Transitioning from sports, the conversation shifts to privacy concerns in the modern world. The hosts debate the erosion of personal privacy amidst advancing technology, exemplified by the prevalence of security cameras and the rise of autonomous vehicles.

Dan Le Batard (16:01): "Big brother. It's not. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's just a fact of our existence..."

They discuss the limitations and failures of security camera systems, using recent high-profile incidents to illustrate their points. The dialogue extends to the implications of data privacy, referencing how smart technologies like Teslas handle personal information.

Dan Le Batard (15:27): "Big brother. It's not. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's just a fact of our existence..."

The hosts share personal anecdotes about privacy invasions, emphasizing the inevitability of data exposure in today's interconnected landscape.

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4. Reflections on Personal Boundaries

Timestamp: 17:34 – 26:29

The discussion moves to personal experiences with privacy and societal expectations. Dan and Stugotz reflect on the challenges of maintaining personal boundaries, especially when public personas are involved.

Dan Le Batard (09:00): "Do you guys have someone in your lives who you count on to give you sort of grounding?"

David shares his experience of feeling disconnected from listeners, highlighting the divide between on-air content and personal life.

David (09:28): "I am surrounded by people who are not particularly impressed by me..."

The conversation touches upon the impact of external perceptions on personal well-being, with anecdotes about family interactions and the struggle to balance public and private identities.

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5. White Lotus Finale Discussion

Timestamp: 32:38 – 42:46

In the latter half of the episode, the hosts engage in an in-depth analysis of the "White Lotus" series finale. They discuss plot developments, character arcs, and the show's handling of unresolved storylines.

Dan Le Batard (37:04): "Well, we made a rule a couple months back that we were gonna do spoiler Wednesdays..."

Stugotz expresses disappointment over the abruptness of certain plot resolutions, particularly the quick departures of characters without adequate closure.

Stugotz (38:10): "I would like that to have been."

Jeremy critiques the finale's predictability and pacing, questioning the writers' decisions and the logical consistency of character motivations.

Jeremy (38:31): "And the whole point of the end of White Lotus, of her story arc is she gets the money and she turns into Tanya..."

The hosts explore thematic elements such as greed, moral ambiguity, and the consequences of unchecked desires, tying them back to real-world implications and personal reflections.

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6. Final Thoughts: Embracing Calm Amidst Chaos

Timestamp: 18:12 – 22:46

As the episode progresses, Dan emphasizes the overarching theme of remaining calm amidst pervasive panic in various aspects of life, including sports, finances, and global issues.

Dan Le Batard (17:34): "So I just wouldn't panic. That's the theme of the show today..."

The hosts discuss strategies for maintaining composure and making rational decisions without succumbing to fear or stress, reinforcing the importance of a balanced mindset.

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7. Closing Remarks

Timestamp: 42:46 – 44:18

The episode concludes with brief mentions of upcoming topics and promotional segments, encapsulating the show's blend of insightful discussion and lighthearted banter.

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Notable Quotes:

• Dan Le Batard (07:18): "I think we need to eliminate what ifs from professional sports because what ifs do nothing..."

• Stugotz (02:39): "They are the winningest team in the Eastern Conference in terms of regular season record..."

• Dan Le Batard (17:34): "So I just wouldn't panic. That's the theme of the show today..."

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Conclusion:

In "Hour 2: The Height Requirement," Dan Le Batard and Stugotz navigate a diverse array of topics, from the nuances of NBA Hall of Fame inductions and the pitfalls of speculative thinking in sports, to pressing concerns about privacy in our digital era and reflections on personal boundaries. Their analysis of the "White Lotus" finale provides listeners with a comprehensive breakdown of the show's thematic elements and narrative choices. Throughout the episode, the hosts maintain a balance between critical insight and relatable anecdotes, offering valuable perspectives for both avid followers and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[David]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats Podcast.

[Dan LeBatard]

The NBA and its hall of Fame is a sordid story. Find it to be as amazing as MLB's hall of Fame, but it's still cool when people get in. But it seems like it's easier to get into the NBA hall of Fame. But what happened this weekend with the announcement of this class? I will be the first to tell you that I was blown away. 1. That Billy Donovan is in the hall of Fame now. It is true. Florida's in the final game tonight. It is true that he won two titles, but the Basketball hall of Fame for two titles. Two. Mickey Arison. Mickey Arison. I love Mickey. Unbelievable for our community. Unbelievable. He's in the hall of Fame before Robert Kraft is in the hall of Fame. In football, he's the most important hall of Fame owner in the NBA. Mickey Arison. I couldn't believe it. You, of course, Jerry must have been over the moon because you have content, you have post game shows. Did you get to interview Mickey?

[Stugotz]

I haven't spoken to Mickey about this, but it is pretty cool to see it as someone local and to watch this franchise be what it's been since he took over. I saw that since he became the point person for the Miami Heat. They are the winningest team in the Eastern Conference in terms of regular season record. They also I think are one of six teams with multiple titles in that stretch. So it's cool to see an owner that has had a ton of success and, and impacted the community the way that he has being honored that way locally. I mean it was exci. It was cool news to see come across the time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Joe, Joe Lob Lobe. Correct me if I'm wrong with a B, he'll be in the hall of Fame.

[Stugotz]

I would think so at some point, right?

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, I don't know point like why? Why what? Shocked?

[Stugotz]

I assume it was yeah. I assume that that is a tenure of owning the franchise thing. I don't know the answer. I didn't look at all, all of the nominees on the ownership side of it. But my assumption would be is this is sort of a ticking guys off the list who are on that list over the span of years in which they've owned these franchises. But maybe, maybe I'm wrong.

[Dan LeBatard]

So all you need you okay, Jessica? All you need are you need time rings and you need to be loved. So how come I'm not in the hall of Fame?

[Roy]

Well, you're not a team owner, so.

[Dan LeBatard]

True. But as an executive, I could have been loved times time. Well, if you want to spend time.

[Stugotz]

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[Roy]

Game time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Game time. Can there be a game that we go to where there's no Winner. Does there have to be winner in the NBA?

[Stugotz]

In the NBA?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

I think someone asking because it seems.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like the Sixers and Heat don't want to win.

[Stugotz]

So he want to win.

[Dan LeBatard]

Who would. What, what are they? They can't get a home. They can't get a home game in the playing game.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, they can still get a home game.

[Dan LeBatard]

A lot has to happen though.

[Stugotz]

No, I think, I think at this point they're either a game back or tied with the Bulls, who they play later this week.

[Dan LeBatard]

So what's the draftkings line tonight? Because the Sixers are a disaster.

[Stugotz]

They are a game, a game behind the Bulls and two games behind the Hawks. Just so that we can all be aware of where things stand. The heat of the 10 seed.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think the NBA is ridiculous right now. I'm loving it. I'm following it. I'm a big fan of the playing tournament. I totally. We had a conversation on this show on. Nothing personal as well, but the Sixers, they're a team that you have to be embarrassed about in every possible way.

[Stugotz]

They've sort of always been the franchise that you could be embarrassed about in that respect. Right. Because they tried to lose for so many seasons only for it to turn out for them to continue to be losers. The heater, 14 and a half point favorite tonight. 14 and yeah, look, the Heat, the Heat have lost. I think they've lost back to back games here, but the loss before their win streak began and these last two games have all been by, I think a combined like three or four points total. They've been these heartbreaking losses at the buzzer. So they've been over the last couple of weeks playing better than they were before. And when that's going up against the Sixers, who are in every sense of the term trying to lose, it's how you end up with a line like that one.

[Dan LeBatard]

As an executive, I can only tell you that when you double down on a player the way that the Blue Jays are doing on Vladimir Guerrero now, the way they signed him, 14 years, 500 million, the way the Sixers did with on B, they bring in Paul George, they bring in Tyrese and they're all hurt, they all stink. And as an executive, he can't give up. And that's the worst thing for fans because you just keep doubling down. You double down, you say it's going to change, it's going to get better, they're going to get better next year. And the Sixers, it's done. If you're a sixers fan.

[Stugotz]

The Paul George contract really sent it overboard.

[Dan LeBatard]

Except when he signed.

[Stugotz]

No, everybody was excited. Of course they were, because they wanted another name brand player that could be alongside Joel Embiid. But Embiid's health has been an issue for his entire career, and now you've seen how many combinations of teammates not work. It's really a shame because the health thing was really the biggest issue this year. Seemingly, they were never able to gel. Paul George was awful. Like, he had a really bad season. But who knows if he had been even a little bit healthy and the rest of that group had been healthy because Jared McCain and Tyrese Maxey, that was a fun, young backcourt you could look at. There are all these what ifs that you can do. But when you're a franchise like Philadelphia, how many years of what if with the same exact result over and over again can you possibly.

[Dan LeBatard]

That has it. That has to be the point. I think we need to eliminate what ifs from professional sports because what ifs do nothing and fans are such a fan of that concept.

[Jeremy]

What if we eliminated what ifs from professional sports?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, I would like to. There should be no what ifs. You shouldn't be allowed to say, hey, we were going to be good, but what if this guy played better? What if that shot had gone in? We can do a top 10 list of the what ifs that people use for their sports teams and their life. It's actually just rationalization for a disappointment in life on any level you say, but for what if? I think we should outlaw all of it because it gives people easy excuses. It gives Darryl Morey the ability to say, hey, don't judge me. What if all our guys were healthy, who I signed? Then I'd be the greatest executive ever. What if Flag had not missed the shot? Or what if they'd gotten the rebound? What if they gotten the ball in bounds? I'm not a fan. It didn't. It's sports. It happened.

[Stugotz]

But the best what if is what if Ray Allen hadn't made the shot?

[Dan LeBatard]

Right. That's a great one.

[Stugotz]

That's one of the best.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, for Miami people. Most people have no idea what you're talking about.

[Stugotz]

I think everybody knows the way everyone.

[Dan LeBatard]

Out of Miami know the Ray Allen shot.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. If I say the Ray Allen shot, anyone who watches basketball knows what it is.

[Jeremy]

I thought everyone knew the Cal Ripken conspiracy theory in the last segment.

[Stugotz]

I guess that's true.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I guess maybe everyone doesn't know. Billy. Did you know it?

[David]

Yeah, I Had heard of it. But we do this thing sometimes where when we all know the thing, we don't really set up what the thing is, so then we're talking about it. But then at times people get mad that we don't explain it to them. Then at times people get mad when we over explain things to them. So there's really no winning.

[Dan LeBatard]

No one got unhappy. Utopia Dystopia.

[Roy]

Yeah, there you go.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you guys have someone in your lives who you count on to give you sort of grounding? I have someone in my life who gives me grounding because when I think there's a major story or something that's hugely important and I mention it to her and she says, I have no idea what you're talking about. And this is a well read, educated person. Do you have anyone in your life, Billy, who does that? When you think that something is totally major and then you realize, oh, God.

[David]

I am surrounded by people who are not particularly impressed by me. Not entirely by choice, but like, I'm not. This isn't like specific to a topic or your question, but like, I don't. I'm not surrounded by people who listen to the show or love the show or whatever, right? There might be some, but like, for the most part, it's not like what I do here always crosses over to what I'm doing outside of work, right? Because they just. The people that I know have different interests or whatever. So like, I never let anything really get to my head or whatever because I'm grounded very easily when I'm just told by all the people around me, no one cares about that.

[Dan LeBatard]

So that's pretty common.

[David]

No one has seen this or knows about this.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think only my mother listens to my show every day. I don't think my father, when he was alive, my father would call after every show and criticize it.

[David]

How old?

[Stugotz]

Your mom?

[Dan LeBatard]

Every show when I was running the Marlins, my dad did the same thing. We'd lose a game, my dad would call and say, how could you not have taken out this picture? How did you allow Yellich to strike out there? You got to pull him for a pinch hitter.

[David]

My. My dad listens to almost every episode that I'm in.

[Dan LeBatard]

Does he call you and give you some pointers?

[David]

He gets mad at me when he learns things about my life from the show that he didn't know about me beforehand because I didn't tell him or whatever. He gets mad about that. Like he found out this was. Was a rough one. I think he found out that I got in a car accident because I talked about it on the show, and I hadn't told him because I got hit. It's this whole thing. I don't want to be ageist again, but this old man that shouldn't have been driving crashed into me. Damn guy. Guy was, like, 93 years old. Hit me. Then we get, like, the. The written report, and I assume, okay, I'm fine. Like, his insurance is gonna pay for it. So I go to his insurance because he just flat out ran a red light and just crashed into me. And then the. The report was, like, inconclusive. The police officer didn't choose a side or whatever. There's traffic cameras, and we called every agency of local government to get access to those cameras, and they basically, like. Well, they're kind of just for funsies. They're like, we only use those if you run a red light. I'm like, perfect. This is the scenario I was in. Someone ran a red light and. And hit me. How do we get that footage? And they're like, well, we can't really get that footage. We can just kind of use it and watch live if we want, but we can't actually track it down. Let me tell you something about cameras, David. They never work when you need them. Okay? Never once in my life has a security camera come in to save the day. It's always, my car got hit. Let's go to the security camera of the parking garage. It got hidden. Oh, no. Those cameras haven't worked for years. Cameras never work when you need a camera. They never work.

[Jeremy]

There was this whole Miami Herald article I read a few weeks ago about the new cameras they put on, I think, school buses that are supposed to catch people.

[David]

They do. Those do.

[Jeremy]

Well, apparently they've been sending tickets to people that have not been breaking the law at all. And it's for, like, a $250 fine or something. And all these people are like, wait a second. I didn't do that. I was like, I was on the other side of the media. And. What are you talking about?

[Dan LeBatard]

You have to stop on the other side, I believe.

[Jeremy]

Okay, well, the point of the story was that there were people that were being falsely.

[Dan LeBatard]

Listen, if you see the Richard Sherman thing, the cameras.

[David]

Oh, yeah, that's crazy.

[Dan LeBatard]

So he was. He was robbed at gunpoint while he was home, and he released his security footage. And you'd think that someone of his means would have better security. How you can identify someone from that footage?

[David]

The only security cameras that seem to be working presently, that are actually getting people arrested are the ones on Teslas. Every other security camera. You can't identify a person for some reason. Like, if you go and you like write on a Tesla, you're going to jail for 45 years. Like, don't, don't, don't deface a Tesla or put gum on like a handle because then it's like a felony because the handles are so expensive.

[Dan LeBatard]

Teslas are very expensive to fix. I've heard. Yeah, I've never, I've been in an Uber Tesla. I've never driven a Tesla.

[David]

Same. I know someone that had. I known a couple of people that had them that have sold them. Not for like, you know, reasons of whatever they sold them before.

[Jeremy]

One was because, like, they didn't like them.

[Stugotz]

No, like, I know someone that sold.

[Jeremy]

Theirs because they're like, this car.

[David]

One of my friends would get nauseous when driving it. Allegedly. Do I have to say? Allegedly. One of my friends allegedly would get nauseous while driving it.

[Roy]

I mean, if he told you that.

[Jeremy]

He got nauseous, it's a bumpy ride.

[David]

It was a she, Roy. Way to be open minded. I apologize. She was nauseous. And then my cousin had one and sold it because he would go on road trips because he didn't live here and he'd come to visit the family and would have to stop to recharge it like halfway. And it just got to a point where he's like, I can't. It's just too much work for me.

[Dan LeBatard]

I wouldn't do the self drive thing.

[David]

Oh, no, get out of here.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm way too controlling for that. I would like to try the parallel park thing, but I'm also too scared to do that. I do my own parallel parking.

[Roy]

I'm more nervous about the car crashing by itself.

[David]

Yeah.

[Roy]

Than being controlling.

[Dan LeBatard]

And the irony, of course, is that it's supposed to be safer than you're driving because there's no human. You don't close your eyes, you don't get distracted, you don't look at your phone. All the things that are so bad for drivers that are part of the world, that this is the future. Automatic driving, taxis without drivers. This is coming.

[David]

I don't like the idea that the car can just decide, like, you know what, you want to go to Burger King? Nah, let's go to the gym instead. And I get locked in the car and I get taken to LA Fitness. It's like, time to work out fatty.

[Dan LeBatard]

How great would that be? They'd be terrible.

[David]

I don't want to work out.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait. Imagine a car that measures your health and that it takes you to the place to do something like you're not allowed to go. Think about what would happen to coronary artery disease if people weren't allowed to go to McDonald's.

[Stugotz]

I think I'd rather die.

[Roy]

So that means the car is taking your data.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is true.

[Roy]

You could be selling it.

[David]

You don't have data anymore, Roy. Like, get rid of the idea that.

[Stugotz]

Your data is not yours.

[David]

Yeah, you don't have any data.

[Dan LeBatard]

You gotta get past that fact, okay? Everyone knows where you are and what you're doing at all times. Not everybody cares, but everybody knows.

[Roy]

Big brother.

[Dan LeBatard]

Big brother. It's not. That's not a conspiracy theory. That's just a fact of our existence. Now, you can be the guy or the girl or the person. Do you put anything over your camera when you're not using it on your MacBook? You do that?

[Roy]

Well, no, the actual camera that the external camera flap. But the computer camera. No.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, there are people who do that because they think that somebody's watching them. And I don't mean like Jeffrey Toobin type stuff. I mean they just. Whatever. They don't want to be seen, period.

[Jeremy]

By the deep State was on a zoom call.

[Stugotz]

So.

[Roy]

Yeah, yeah, that's all on him.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, well, I'm certainly not.

[David]

Did it to himself. Literally.

[Dan LeBatard]

He did it to himself. One nothing, Billy. I'm not of that view that we're at risk in that way because I've always learned. There was a teacher I had in high school who said, everything you say or do, be prepared for it to be on the front page of the paper. And that's before I was in a public job. And so that's why I've always been fine. Like everything I've done, if it's on the front page, it's on the front page. And I think if we all live that way. I think it'd be a better world if you were all prepared to read everything you did on the front page of the paper.

[Roy]

I doubt that there's any ideas anymore.

[Stugotz]

There's a Black Mirror episode about that. I think with. Nope, not remembering her name. Schitt's Creek. Anybody? Any Murphy.

[Roy]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

Thank you, my own brain, for bringing that back. There's a. There's a. There's a Black Mirror episode where the whole premise is that her life is a reality TV show. So she goes home and show and she turns on the TV and there is her life right out in front of you.

[Jeremy]

You don't think human beings should have an expectation of privacy?

[Dan LeBatard]

I do believe we should have an expectation of privacy. However, it's become unrealistic. I'm merely a pragmatist. I would like to just point out to people that if you have that expectation, it's okay to have it. But don't fool yourself into thinking that you actually have it. And you may all think that you do, but you don't. And it is what it is. Like, do people really care whether you go to LA Fitness or McDonald's?

[David]

My car does, apparently.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do people really care what video you're watching? As long as it's not how to make a bomb? Now, of course, there's certain categories you try to avoid, but in general, the reality is that no one cares what we do 99.99% of the time. So I just wouldn't panic. That's the theme of the show today. The through line to the show is people are panicked. They're panicked about their sports teams, they're pants about their money, they're pants about their retirement, whether they have it, whether they can retire, the state of the world, climate change, the president, everyone's panicked. I think the through line here is that we need to be the voice of calm.

[Jeremy]

I mean, yeah, I don't think people should go, like, act rashly, but I think there's definitely cause to be in a state of panic over everything that's happening. It's very naive to just be like, don't panic. Everything will be fine.

[Stugotz]

I didn't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait, I didn't say that. Now you just put words in my mouth. I didn't say everything will be fine. And I didn't say not to act. I act all the time, and so do you, but I. What I would say is when you act out of panic, you. You rarely act efficiently.

[Roy]

Well, how about being slightly concerned?

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm in for that.

[Roy]

Okay.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm in for even gravely concerned.

[Roy]

Oh, wow.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm willing to go that flip the ante, but that is way below panic. I just don't think anything good happens when people panic.

[Roy]

Gravely concerned.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'm gravely concerned. I'm gonna change the way I do things. I'm gonna go to LA Fitness because I'm gravely concerned that I got a bad calcium score in my arteries. Just therefore tums. No different thing.

[Roy]

Okay, bone density is down.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the one.

[Stugotz]

I know what you're talking about.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the one that people suffer. When all of a sudden you're in the middle of a show, and then, boom, the lights go out. Oh, because you have the big one. Wheezy. I'm coming home. Oh, is that another.

[Roy]

No, no, no, no, no, no. Sanford and Son. Elizabeth, I'm coming to join you on it. That's what you have.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, but isn't there a wheezy?

[Roy]

Yeah, Jefferson's.

[Dan LeBatard]

But he never said wheezy, I'm coming home.

[Roy]

No, George Jefferson did not save that. No, no. Fred Sanford said, Elizabeth, this is right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Love Sanford and Son.

[David]

Yeah.

[Roy]

Do you.

[Stugotz]

I do a big one, but I've always said wheezy.

[Roy]

Well, two different shows by.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, it's two different shows.

[Roy]

At least I think it was Norman Lear.

[Dan LeBatard]

Those shows were ahead of their time. Go back and watch on the Family. You can't have a Sherlock Holl in the family now.

[Roy]

No, absolutely not.

[Dan LeBatard]

Nor should you, except at the time, it was groundbreakingly funny. I want to get back to the panic part. Are you concerned as a journalist on deadline? That's a great one. Are you the procrastinator that you do things right at the last minute?

[Jeremy]

I don't know if I've ever been.

[Dan LeBatard]

A journalist on deadline, so work with me here.

[Jeremy]

Okay?

[Dan LeBatard]

Just try. Just right here, like Houston Duke.

[Jeremy]

I work best with a strong deadline. Yes. I work best if I know I have to do something by 8pm I will do it and I will. It'll be done on time. If you're like, yeah, your deadlines, you know, maybe next week, maybe the week after. I'm not gonna get to it right away. So, yes, I work better when I'm a little under pressure.

[Dan LeBatard]

So you're a procrastinator.

[Jeremy]

No, not necessarily. I'll, like. I'll make sure I have the time to do something. I'm not going to, like, completely cast it aside to do, you know, frivolous nonsense. If I have other work to do, though, I'll get that work done first before the thing with the nebulous deadline.

[Dan LeBatard]

So the thing about the panic, that. That comes to play because I was that way, too. I'm a procrastinator, but I always have a plan of knowing when things have to get done, and I know how much time it'll take me to do it. But what I find is panic impacts efficiency. So I found that I wasn't as good doing a paper or doing something that I had to do. If I waited past that inflection point of knowing that I had to start it to finish it by deadline. If I tried to squeeze. It's like trying to do one more thing before you have to go to the bathroom. Am I the only one who does that? You have to go to the bathroom. You try one more exit in the car. I can make it one more rest stop. I can make it one more. One more errand. And then all of a sudden you need a new pair of undies. I can't be the only one that's happened.

[Stugotz]

No, I mean, I also push it. I mean, I don't know about the new pair of undies part of it, but I'm also similar to you in that, like. Yeah, it's, it's the. You're doing the long distance drive across our state and it's like the next rest stops in 39 miles and it's like I have to pee a little bit, but not so much that I have to stop right now. So I'm going to try to make it the next 39 miles and then like four miles in, you're like, shit, that was the wrong decision.

[Dan LeBatard]

And then before you've pulled over.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, no, you got it exactly in.

[Jeremy]

There at the Yeehaw junction. You've already lost Roy.

[David]

Yeah, screwed.

[Roy]

Came over.

[Dan LeBatard]

That means you're practically at Disney World. I used to love getting to that junction.

[Roy]

Oh yeah. It's a landmarker.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's. It means, you know you're making progress. It's a meaningful thing. For those of you don't know. When you drive from South Florida up to Orlando, which for some reason you have to do as a parent. As a parent. When I was raising kids in New York, it was never even a thought that you'd go to Disney World. It's far and it's expensive. Then I had a child living in Florida and it was, yeah, of course, you take this kid to Disney.

[Roy]

Rite of passion.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. Why? Because of how. But in New York, there's no rite of passage to go to Six Flags 1 in Jersey.

[Roy]

Why would you want to do that? Why? Why would you want to go to New Jersey?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I'm saying you're in New York.

[Stugotz]

But people travel from all over the world to go to Disney World or to Disneyland. So when you have something that's within what, a three hour drive? Three and a half hour drive. It feels like the type of thing that makes sense.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, it's. But it was an obligation. Well, it was not a choice. And that's what always bothered me about was not even keeping up with the Joneses. It was not about socioeconomic position. It was everyone goes to Disney.

[Stugotz]

Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

Period. Hard stop. I'M against that, and I was forced to do it.

[Roy]

So go to Universal, then.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, they're too. Well, they're too short in the beginning.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, because it's all. It's all, like, roller coasters.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's all big rides. I used to cheat with height at Six Flags in Illinois.

[Stugotz]

Did you put stuff in your shoes?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes.

[Stugotz]

We do that every year with the kids we take to Universal for camp. For the camp I volunteer for every year. We have to try to find a way to stuff their shoes with enough, like, paper towel or things like that to get them just tall enough to be able to go on.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let me talk about litigation for one quick sec, if you don't mind, please. I was not aware because I was a kid, and I was always short, and all I cared about was going to the ride. And back then. And I have. I have a tattoo of it now. It's. It was the. Oh, God. With. With the Roadrunner. It was the coyote. And his hand would be out, and you had to touch the. The. The ledge in order to. With the top of the ride with the top of your head. So I went through a stage where I would spike my hair. Listen. It's the closest I could ever come to a fro. And it gives you. It gives you three inches, which is. Which can be the difference maker.

[Jeremy]

Right?

[Dan LeBatard]

And so I go through all this stuff in my shoes. That's a Tuesday. Talking about the napkins. The brown napkins, Mike, we have here at Metal Art.

[Stugotz]

Exactly.

[Dan LeBatard]

These are the ones you get as the place I'm in the shop them in. That gives you 2 inches, easy. Until I found out that the reason for the height restriction is the belt on the roller coasters. And if you're too short, the belt becomes ineffective and you can die. And then I stopped having my kids.

[Stugotz]

Lie about height last year. What we took. Because, mind you, the camp that I volunteer for is it's a group of children who are either presently battling or have gone through battles with cancer. And so it's tough enough to say no to a little kid who's upset. It's even harder to say no to this little kid who's upset. And our sweetest and cutest camper, he's 8 years old the year before, had to accept, like, he was three inches too short to go on one of these rides. And we, you know, we calmed him down. He was, like, 7 years old. We calmed him down. We got him to accept it. Our lead counselor sits off the ride with him. But then the next year, it's like, all right, I've grown three inches now. I know I've grown three inches. My doctor told me I grew three inches. I'm gonna be good to go. And he gets to the Hulk, and, I mean, we're talking, and we had already preemptively stuffed his shoes with napkins. We were ready for it. We're like, he's for sure gonna blow by. And he comes up, like, a quarter of an inch short. And we tried to. I mean, we played every card that we had available to the people running serious, and they understandably are so serious about it. But I have not witnessed a profound sadness of just tears streaming down this kid's face. Not my child, even so. A kid who I'm trying to give the best summer, and he's just sobbing and sobbing and sobbing. And no matter what we did, they would not budge. And I completely understand it, given what you just said, which is this is really about the belt. But that is, like, it's. That's got to be one of the worst feelings you can have as a kid, is coming up just short.

[Dan LeBatard]

It is. It's actually. It stays with me to this day. If you asked me about the bullying I got for being short, which I did for sure. The biggest impact of being small was at amusement parks was for height. And there were many things. There was, like. With, like, jet skiing or there's certain things you. There was one at a. What's the thing? Oh, come on, guys. When you're. When you. Bumper cars.

[Stugotz]

Oh, yeah, bumper cars.

[Dan LeBatard]

You had to be a certain height to have your own bumper car. And I had to go with a parent.

[Stugotz]

This was the affliction of having older cousins. Like, I didn't have older siblings, but I had older cousins. And when we would all go to any of these places and they were, you know, 12, 13, 14 years old, and I was, like, 7, 8, or 9 years old. I couldn't go on any of the stuff that they did. But it wasn't the same experience as what I imagine it was when it's, hey, it's all of my friends of the same age, and now I'm the shortest in the group, and I can't go on the ride that they can't.

[Dan LeBatard]

So I used to actually, in order, when there were class trips to amusement parks, I would be sick because I didn't want to.

[Stugotz]

That's so sad, David.

[Dan LeBatard]

I also. We had class ice skating trips, and my mom made me use my sister's ice skates, which were white.

[Roy]

Oh, figure skates.

[Dan LeBatard]

Figure skates. And I refused to go to skating wearing white skates. And so I would be sick every single time we went ice skating. As a school, parents don't think of these things. I couldn't afford my own skates five times, so my sister had skates. Then I used them, and they were white skates. And there's this thing that white skates are for girls and black skates are for guys. I don't know if that's a thing anymore.

[Stugotz]

No, we live in Florida.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have no idea. So no one figure skates?

[Roy]

Well, I mean, I wear hockey skates. And the ones you rent at the War Memorial at the Iceplex is red for, I think, I think for the figure skates and gray for the hockey skates. So it's not white anymore.

[Dan LeBatard]

So they stopped. So you guys may not. You may be too young for this. There used to be white skates and black skates for figure skaters, and that was a thing. It's very sad.

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[David]

Don LeBatard, we love you.

[Dan LeBatard]

We've got you. We've all got each other. Let's go. Right now. St. Brett. One, two, three. Brett.

[David]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, I gotta talk about something else, if you don't mind.

[Roy]

Sure, sure. Show today.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you think it's possible that religion can cure you? You know the people who say they found Jesus, I found the Lord.

[Jeremy]

This is about White Lotus.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, it's about Russell Brand. It's about Russell Brand, who is being charged with things left, right and center and saying, hey, that was. I was a bad guy, but now I found the Lord. And he did it. He released a video. If no one's seen it, you should check it out. It seems to be the greatest way to make an excuse ever for your behavior. You just say, I was young, stupid, and I. And I had not yet found God. Now everything's good.

[Stugotz]

I hope he did. But that doesn't excuse any of the behavior or crimes that he's accused of. You know what I mean?

[Dan LeBatard]

Like, why do you hope he found the Lord if that.

[Stugotz]

If that's something that brings him comfort and if that's something that leads him on the right ethical path from here on out, that's great. It's not. That's not right for everybody. Some people can find their own ethical path without needing to find specifically a given religion. If he did, wonderful. But the things he's accused of, it has. It's. One has nothing to do with the other. Like the fact that he's throwing out this idea of like, oh, I found God, and in turn, I should have this merciful view from you is. Is pathetic. And it spits in the. In the name of the people who actually have used religion for good within their lives, like, to actually follow a moral code. So to me, I find it all preposterous.

[Dan LeBatard]

In theory, he is using it for good. In theory, he's now a good person. I'm sad about it only because I enjoyed watching him work. And he's of the category where I'm not going to separate art from the artist. I pick and choose when I do that. And Russell Brand doesn't rise to the level of the separation for me. Like Michael Jackson, I still listen to his songs. I'm willing to. I'm willing to watch Kevin Spacey movies. But Russell Brand, I don't care enough about him. Once he does what he did Allegedly. I think we're done with him.

[Roy]

Still watching the Cosby Show?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, that's. That's a great one. I don't. And I don't eat Jello or pudding. Jeremy has no idea the reference.

[Stugotz]

I didn't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is that a young. Is that an old reference also?

[Stugotz]

Is it to the Cosby show then? Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Bill Cosby was one of the great endorsers of a product in history, Coca Cola and Jello.

[Roy]

He did the pudding.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jello brand.

[Stugotz]

I knew the pudding one, but that's for parody reasons.

[Dan LeBatard]

He was a huge, huge endorsement guy back before bigger athletes. Bill Cosby. I don't. Do people realize the length and depth of his stardom?

[Stugotz]

I understand that he was a gigantic superstar. I just didn't understand the specific reference to his endorsements.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, he was on tv. You couldn't go through a set of commercials during his heyday during a sporting event. Forget a regular show on tv. You couldn't go through and not see Bill Cosby on a commercial.

[Roy]

He's. He was thinking about buying NBC at one point, but they wouldn't let him.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's interesting. That's like a player trying to buy a team. There aren't many players who can buy teams because he was on NBC. That was the Cosby Show Network.

[Roy]

Correct.

[Dan LeBatard]

And there was a time. 8:00. Was it Tuesdays at 8?

[Roy]

Tuesdays, yep.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tuesdays at 8. He ruled. And didn't it go into Seinfeld? Cosby, A different world. Into Seinfeld. Seinfeld. 9:00 hour used to matter. Those hours. No one talks about that anymore.

[Roy]

Must see tv.

[Dan LeBatard]

But for White Lotus. I was in front of the TV at 9:00. I assume everybody was last night. It's what we do.

[Jeremy]

Roy, do you watch Lotus?

[Roy]

No, ma'am.

[Jeremy]

Oh, man.

[Stugotz]

Should we do it?

[Jeremy]

I assume, but.

[David]

Spoiler alert.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert. To everyone listening, there are just over six minutes left in this hour. If you're listening or watching and you watch White Lotus and don't want to be spoiled, tune out now. We're going to spend the rest of this hour talking about White Lotus.

[Roy]

Come back for the post game and.

[Stugotz]

Come back for the postgame show. We want you here.

[Jeremy]

How much time did you say?

[Stugotz]

It's now six minutes and three seconds.

[David]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

And we still get credit for the listen, the number and the download, but we don't want you to leave. However, I'm gonna spoil White Lotus because I don't believe in the whole spoiler thing. It was on. You've had time to watch.

[David]

Well, we made a rule a couple months back that we were gonna do spoiler Wednesdays, so we gave everyone, like, three days to catch up to the Sunday shows. This, however, is the finale, so it's a little different.

[Stugotz]

There's five minutes and 40 seconds left.

[Dan LeBatard]

Appointment viewing?

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Last night, 9:00. Am I the only one who was hitting refresh on max waiting for the new tag to come?

[Jeremy]

You might have been. I was watching the Knicks game, so I just flipped over at 9.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, but when you flipped at 9, it was available.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mine didn't come to, like, 9:01. I was a minute. A minute late. It could have been a. It could have. No, I didn't think there'd be any redress whatsoever.

[Jeremy]

Did you skip the intro and the recap so you would be on par with everyone else?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, I. I skip intro and recap to every episode except the last episode. So the finale of a series. I'll rewatch the intro music, which I hadn't watched since episode one, and then I'll watch the recap of the fight before the final episode. And I did. And I wanted to talk all about the Duke litigation because that, to me, was going to be the most interesting.

[Jeremy]

I'm just glad Duke lost on Saturday because I was kind of nervous we were going to get to the point where they won the national championship. And that meme just never.

[David]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

I was also thinking, like, this is maybe a spoiler when he gets his phone back at the end, the dad. Do you think he found out that Duke lost and got really upset?

[Stugotz]

He was like, guys, things are about to change.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was filmed way before that. The answer is, I thought the end with that family. Didn't you assume the end was that they all found on their phones the fact that they had lost all their money?

[Jeremy]

Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

And they were fine.

[Jeremy]

They just didn't really show any sort of reaction. Did you like the finale? I didn't think it was that great.

[Dan LeBatard]

I was very upset that everyone could leave the island after all the deaths that quickly without talking about it.

[Jeremy]

How does that sort of seem? Like there might have been a time jump, though.

[Stugotz]

Had to be.

[Dan LeBatard]

They had to be, because the last night.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, you're right.

[Jeremy]

I mean, a time jump of like, maybe like six or seven hours. Like, it seemed like it was sort of sunset when they were leaving. I'm like, I don't really want to give the writers the benefit of the doubt because I found so many plot holes with the entire Season, but that at least I was like, okay, maybe they stuck around for a little bit and then they left.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can you imagine sending $5 million to someone without a written agreement?

[Jeremy]

Okay, not even just that, but there's a clear paper trail with this guy whose wife died extremely mysteriously. Apparently, he's wanted by police. Police. And you're accepting $5 million from him? I also want to know, as I alluded to earlier, is she going to report this as income? Because she's going to get audited. Going from like $12,000 to now I'm going to be spending all of this money that appeared with a clear paper trail in my account.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like, I assumed he was paying the. I assume he filed the gift tax return.

[Jeremy]

Okay, maybe so.

[Dan LeBatard]

I assumed it was a gift, not in terms of a consideration. Consideration would mean that she has to do something to get that money to get full legal consideration. I couldn't think of what the consideration was other than her not telling the fact that he was an accomplice to murder in hiding. Why?

[Jeremy]

But why not just launder the money if he's clearly already a suspect in a mysterious death?

[David]

He's also hiding out in Thailand. And no, she knows where he is. And no, but like. And also, like, had his ex wife murdered. I don't think he's filing his American taxes, if I'm honest with you. I think that he's filled skipping April 15th.

[Jeremy]

Do you think he took all of his money out of the American bank, though? That her money was in it wouldn't.

[Dan LeBatard]

Have been transferred that way. I was just shocked. She had $12,683 in her account and then had 5 million. And the sun was all celebrating. And the line of the episode was, can't you just let me be effing rich for five minutes? Because with money is problems and complications. And so he wanted to get going with his mom and then boom, she's celebrating the 5 million.

[David]

She did that masseuse 30.

[Dan LeBatard]

Then.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, that's the point for him.

[Dan LeBatard]

So the whole point of the end of White Lotus, of her story arc is she gets the money and she turns into Tanya. She does exactly to the guy what was done.

[Jeremy]

And it seemed so obvious and predictable. Like, all of that finale felt very. And I enjoy the show and I'm still. I like the show and I don't think it was like a waste of time to watch the show. It was extremely entertaining. And even the finale, I was very entertained. However, like Billy and I said last week on Mystery Crate, they needed to really knock this finale out of the park for us to be like, great season.

[David]

Legacy episode for Billy.

[Jeremy]

Legacy episode.

[Dan LeBatard]

You think Lachlan was going to be the one to die or that all.

[Stugotz]

One of them died. I needed one of them to die.

[Jeremy]

I was chanting chug when they were drinking the peanut.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like a Jones.

[Stugotz]

I wanted them to die. Yeah, Jones.

[Dan LeBatard]

Imagine doing that to your child, that you kill everyone in the family but your son. I thought that was out. I was. I was so uncomfortable watching that. I was pissed.

[Stugotz]

Like, for him to hear all of them talk about, I don't think I could live. I don't think I. Yeah, yeah, I could live. All right, cool. Do you think you could live if I killed the rest of our family? Maybe that should have been a part of the conversation.

[Dan LeBatard]

I would like that to have been.

[Stugotz]

Like, oh, do you think you could live without money? Yeah. Do you think you could live without money and also the death of your mother, father, brother and sister? Maybe a different answer.

[Jeremy]

Maybe he just knew about the tariffs. Maybe he knew that the American economy was gonna crash the day after this episode aired and Duke was going to lose.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think the disappointing part was that the daughter spent one night in the monastery and said, that's it.

[Jeremy]

That was so lame. She did all this research on this monastery and then was like, oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

Well, I stayed.

[Jeremy]

And it didn't have air conditioning.

[Dan LeBatard]

The food stinks.

[Stugotz]

The. The line about, oh, but you could just tell it wasn't organic is. I thought top. That was top tier writing. That was top tier writing.

[Dan LeBatard]

The only thing organic about that episode was the food that they served to them, I assume at the resort. But you should definitely watch it. It's worth your time.

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