Hour 2: The Middle Seat of Middle Seats (feat. Senator Mark Kelly)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz — Hour 2: The Middle Seat of Middle Seats (feat. Senator Mark Kelly)

Date: October 29, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Chris Cody, Mike Ryan, Juju, Tony
Special Guest: Senator Mark Kelly

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Episode Overview

This hour is a rollercoaster of tone and content: from calls for humanitarian aid as Jamaica reels from unprecedented Hurricane Melissa, to the hilarious depths of bathroom habits on airplanes, Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross’s tarmac travails, and the glamor of a real-life heist with George Clooney commentary. The centerpiece is an extended, candid conversation with Senator Mark Kelly about the looming government shutdown, healthcare, food assistance, and the erosion of democracy.

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Key Segments & Discussion Points

1. Crisis in Jamaica: Hurricane Melissa

Timestamp: 02:22 – 07:04

• Dan Le Batard highlights the devastation caused by Hurricane Melissa in Jamaica and across the Caribbean, noting the unprecedented nature of the storm and its likely underreported strength due to aircraft being unable to enter the storm.
• Focus on climate change’s disproportionate impact on the poor and encouragement for listeners to help via “theafj.org” and “globalempowermentmission.org.”
• Memorable moment: Dan’s heartfelt pause and realization that “thoughts and prayers… seems really insufficient” (06:15).

“The storm that has presently hit Jamaica has no precedent in Jamaica and has very little precedent in the history of storms… It’s a real horror and about to get worse.” — Dan Le Batard (03:31)

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2. Mark Schlereth’s Dirty Airplane Secret

Timestamp: 07:04 – 10:53

• Mark Schlereth confesses to purposely peeing on the floor in airplane bathrooms to punish those who walk in with just socks, spawning a hilarious group debate about travelers’ etiquette.
• The crew debates which is the worst “airplane crime:” bare feet vs. stinky food.
• Dan shares his own worst airplane experience: being stuck in the “middle seat of middle seats” next to an exotic fried fish eater on a long-haul international flight.

“I always pee on the floor to make sure if you walk in in socks, you’re getting urine on your feet.” — Mark Schlereth (08:19)

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3. Miami Dolphins’ Stephen Ross: Billionaire Problems

Timestamp: 10:53 – 13:02

• The team reacts to video of Dolphins owner Stephen Ross appearing frustrated about having to walk slightly further than he’d like to his car on the tarmac—“the problems of the ultra elite.”
• Banter about wealth, privilege, airport arrivals, and, tongue-in-cheek, Mark Schlereth’s newly revealed bathroom habits.

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4. George Clooney, the Art Heist & Ocean’s Movie Meta

Timestamp: 17:03 – 21:29

• George Clooney responds to a recent, real-life heist at the Louvre, and the crew imagines him as a “fence” (the criminal who brokers stolen goods), blurring lines between Ocean’s Eleven fantasy and reality.

• Juju gives a play-by-play of how heist teams and fences work, pointing out the cinematic irony if Clooney himself were involved:

  “George Clooney has now escalated. He was a heist guy, now he’s the fence. That’s why he double crosses him, because… once a thief, always a thief.” — Juju (19:29)

• Discussion leads to reflections on how “cool” and “terrible” overlap in our imaginations around heists.

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5. World Cup Hosting & American Politics

Timestamp: 21:32 – 25:36

• The conversation pivots to Donald Trump’s threats to move FIFA World Cup games from “dangerous” (liberal) host cities and the politics surrounding Miami’s potential gain of more matches.
• The crew lampoons Trump’s threats and FIFA’s top brass (“Johnny Infantino” and “Sepp Blatter”) for their criminal-sounding names.

“Johnny Infantino is a great name for somebody who’s doing criminal or immoral things, for sure.” — Dan Le Batard (24:52)

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6. Real or Fake Podcast Game

Timestamp: 26:17 – 28:25

• Mike Ryan hosts the hit game where the crew guesses which podcast titles are real or made up:
  • “Closed on Sunday with Patrick Surtan” (real!)
  • “Serving it up with Lance Lynn” (real)
  • “McLove Holiday with Michael Holly” (fake)
  • “Flutie Flakes Cast with Doug Flutie” (real)
  • “Trade and Paint with Bobby Allison” (fake)
• Playful debates and groans abound as the hosts are surprised at what’s real.

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7. Interview with Senator Mark Kelly

Timestamp: 31:54 – 44:52

Arizona Sports & Cardinals Pain

• Kelly opens with hope for the Cardinals and Kyler Murray, met with gentle ribbing from the crew.
• “You shouldn’t be hopeful. You will not get back on track.” — Dan Le Batard (33:05)

On the Government Shutdown

• Rising Healthcare Costs: Kelly expresses concern over skyrocketing premiums, particularly via healthcare.gov, and the impact on his constituents.

  “…millions of people across the country are not going to be able to afford their health insurance. So they’re going to… drop it, and then they’re going to be one accident or illness away from bankruptcy.” — Mark Kelly (33:19)

• Federal Employees & Military Pay: Awareness that paychecks will soon be missed and how it affects military families. Kelly criticizes the president for international travel instead of negotiating and for “spending more time on that ridiculous ballroom than he has on the price of people’s health care” (34:45).

• Food Stamps (SNAP): 40 million Americans at risk of losing access. Kelly blames presidential refusal to use contingency funds:

  “[Trump] would rather just have people go hungry instead of deal with the problem and the system that we set up…” — Mark Kelly (35:14)

• “Break the Government?”

  • Dan presses Kelly on whether there’s intent from some to “break the government.”
  • Kelly is “an eternal optimist” but recognizes Congress is paralyzed by loyalty to Trump and the needs are dire, especially for the poor.

    “The reason why we are here is that this president and Republicans… wanted to give a giant tax cut to billionaires and millionaires… part of it paid for by kicking people off of Medicaid and raising premiums.” — Mark Kelly (38:08)

• Erosion of Democracy: Kelly lists his biggest personal worry as the polarization of America and the Department of Justice being “used by the President to go after his perceived enemies.”

  “…that is an erosion of all of those things that kind of bind us together as a nation.” — Mark Kelly (41:16)

On Space & Exploration

• “Is going to space fun?” — “It is the best. It is like… the most crazy and incredible ride anybody could experience. I highly recommend it.” — Mark Kelly (42:32)
• Kelly shares stories of commanding the Space Shuttle, 56 days in space, and the competitive nature of the new “race to the Moon” with China.

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8. Miscellaneous Show Banter

• Recurring jokes about sponsor products, finances, and “Miller Time.”
• Plenty of asides celebrating (and lampooning) classic Le Batard Show quirks, like “Real or Fake Podcast” and banter over football intricacies.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On privilege:
  “You guys sound like a bunch of pores. That’s how the ultra elite and wealthy do, man.” — Juju (12:08)

• On bathroom crimes:
  “Worse airplane crime: Taking your shoes off or eating fish on an airplane?” — Dan Le Batard (09:21)

• On government dysfunction:
  “We could sort this out this week if we could just get them engaged… If we can get the president engaged on this, on this problem.” — Mark Kelly (39:04)

• On optimism:
  “Dan, I’m an eternal optimist. I am a guy who flew on a rocket ship built by the lowest bidder.” — Mark Kelly (38:46)

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Section Timestamps

• Jamaica Hurricane Crisis: 02:22 – 07:04
• Mark Schlereth/Plane Etiquette: 07:04 – 10:53
• Stephen Ross Tarmac Video: 10:53 – 13:02
• Clooney/Heist Segment: 17:03 – 21:29
• World Cup & Trump Segment: 21:32 – 25:36
• Real or Fake Podcast Game: 26:17 – 28:25
• Mark Kelly Interview: 31:54 – 44:52

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Conclusion

This episode embodies the Le Batard blend of humor and seriousness: raucous debates over hygiene and airplane etiquette, bemusement at billionaire behavior, fascination with crime and cinematic lore, but also public service in the form of sincere attention to current crises — both environmental and political.

Senator Mark Kelly’s interview stands out, offering rare clarity on pressing issues with appealing optimism. The show moves seamlessly between mocking, mourning, and marveling — and this Hour 2 delivers everything regular listeners expect, with extra depth for those tuning in for the first time.

Transcript

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[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

We will get back to our regularly scheduled hijinks and lighter fare here in a moment involving Miami Dolphins owner Stephen Ross, Mark Schlerith being dirty, and George Clooney talking about the heist. But before we go any further, I did want to stop for a moment. Our audience is usually very helpful in times of crisis and if you haven't been watching what is approaching. And in Jamaica over the last couple of days, a storm unlike any other. As you know, poor people are disproportionately affected by climate change. There are streets in Haiti and the Dominican that warned of this because they've become rivers. And the storm that has presently hit Jamaica has no precedent in Jamaica and has very little precedent in the history of storms. You're talking about in Hurricane Melissa, a storm so strong that the hurricane tracking plane couldn't even go into it to measure the strength of it. So when they say 175 and 185 miles per hour, those are guesses. And it's probably a lot worse than that because the water around there is so hot and so deep that it's an endless fuel. So what you have presently happening in Jamaica is a real horror and about to get worse because the flooding afterward is something that is killing more people when these kinds of storms happen than even the wind itself. So we will put up on the screen here some ways that you can help. Non perishable foods are needed, hygiene kits, generation generators, tarps, clothes, baby clothes, diapers, nonperishable baby food. You could go to American friends of Jamaica theafj.org or you can go to globalempowermentmission.org/mission/hurricane Melissa because we're just beginning to see the catastrophic horrors of this. This island is not equipped for this. Most places in the world are not equipped for this. But Jamaica specifically is not equipped for the endless fuel in the warm water around its island. Just I want to say something that's not helpless and hopeless heart, you know, thoughts and prayers seems really insufficient. But if it's in your heart to help, there are going to be people here over the next coming days, months and years that are going to have a great deal of recovery problems from this because just this storm is too strong. This is, it's a ridiculous number. When Hurricane Andrew was 150 miles an hour and people in Kendall from 30 years ago still talk about how it destroyed that community. And again, the plane couldn't even there's not a precedent for a plane, not these planes are built to be able to go in and track how strong these storms are. So what's being reported is not even going to be accurate in terms of the strength of this storm because of how hot the water is around Jamaica. So just really think about these people, and if you have it in your heart to help, this is a good cause to help, as people obviously need help. Now, I don't have a proper segue to go after that particular footage where you just see everything blowing apart, but we will continue to try to do some of the silliness that we do around here every day, the way that we do it. So I know that Zaslow came in today, and Mark Schlerith is endlessly good content because we've been making fun of him for about 10 years around here because he is simply stronger and tougher than the rest of us are and a little bit dirtier as well. He is somebody. And I was just reminded of this. I saw that the DraftKings people are here. Our great partners will be with us, us tomorrow night at the Miller Light Watch party in Kendall. And I noticed that we greeted them with a whole bunch of people who don't know how to use the toilets in here by just urinating on the floor in there because there is just droplets of urine in there because people don't know how to use the bathroom around here. Well, yeah, we've got a bunch of untrained wolverines who live here. You've seen this, right? You guys? Surely you guys have seen this. I've done it a number of times where I'm throwing napkins on the floor and cleaning it up with my feet because people around here don't know how to use the bathroom. But Mark. Mark Schlerith says he does this on purpose. Can you give us some context, as though from the sound that we're about to hear here? Because it delights you that Mark Schlerith is dirty on purpose.

[Nick Costos]

Well, it delights me because I like Schlerith and he's always been good to me. He comes on my podcasts often enough. I like Mark.

[Dan Le Batard]

What podcast is that?

[Nick Costos]

Show 2.0. Please subscribe. Do all that good stuff. I love you long time. So I like stink, all right? And he was on my pal Nick Costos show yesterday, and Nick asked him, what is something that bothers you when it comes to travel? Look, I travel every weekend, and there are people who are disgusting with traveling. I. I try and be really courteous When I travel, you know, I wore pants. I. I wear sneakers. I try. I don't bring smelly food. I try to be really courteous to other people on the plane. And here's Mark Schlerith talking about what really bothers him about dirty people on airplanes.

[Mark Schlereth]

I will say one thing that irritates me now. See, now I'm telling on myself people that don't know how to travel. Like, nobody wants to see your feet in flip flops on a plane. Not one person. Nobody wants to see you in a tank top with your armpits hanging out. That drives me insane. Have some couth about you.

[Unidentified Female Announcer]

Should the people in flip flops on. On airplanes, should they be executed?

[Mark Schlereth]

Well, I don't know about that, but I always pee on the floor to make sure. I've seen people walk in the sock in socks in the bathroom. I always pee on the floor to make sure if you walk in and sauce, you're getting urine on your feet.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, that's what you do.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Nick Costos]

I got to tell you, I think he's on point.

[Mike Ryan]

Absolutely.

[Nick Costos]

How? How else they go learn 100%.

[Mike Ryan]

There's no other way to teach him.

[Nick Costos]

Walking around in socks.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, I know he's speaking for.

[Dan Le Batard]

A lot of us.

[Juju]

Yeah, that'll stop.

[Chris Cody]

Yep.

[Juju]

I think it's also exfoliating.

[Stugotz]

Who's walking into a bathroom with socks?

[Juju]

Is that a thing?

[Mike Ryan]

We try to make sure they don't the uncouth. Yeah, by pissing on that floor. That's what we do.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan, have you never done that?

I don't take my shoes off on an airplane. And I don't know if you ever.

[Nick Costos]

Pissed on the floor purposely.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, the pee on the floor.

I don't purposely pee on the floor. How the hell.

[Mike Ryan]

How else are they gonna walk into the bathroom with their socks?

[Nick Costos]

Gotta get them to stop.

[Dan Le Batard]

What else are you supposed to do?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, you have to pee on that floor.

[Juju]

Even when I have shoes on, I want to feel like ice capes. Like, whoops. Like I'm just going to slip. Like a 1920s vaudeville.

[Dan Le Batard]

Good core workout.

Actually, put it on the poll, please. Juju at Lebatard show. Worse airplane crime. Taking your shoes off or eating fish on an airplane. Which is the worst airplane crime? If you guys could only choose one because I. I got stuck on a flight from China. That's a long flight. Next to somebody who kept bringing out some fried food, fish product. And this was in a crowded, cramped, coach class flight. I was in the middle and there was just fried fish being eaten. Next to me the entire flight. It is the worst of the airplane crimes that I have been a victim.

[Nick Costos]

Why were you in the middle?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just. That's the, that's the flight that I got.

[Juju]

Now were you in the absolute worst seat, which is the middle seat of the middle seats?

[Dan Le Batard]

It was. Yes, it was the middle seat and it was like a big. It was a big plane. So it was like seven or eight seats. You know, it was a lot of seats.

[Juju]

Two aisles, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Two aisles.

[Juju]

And you were in the middle. Middle, middle, middle seat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. It's a long flight.

[Nick Costos]

You don't get off that plane.

[Dan Le Batard]

Somebody who just keeps reaching into a bag and grabbing something. It wasn't even like. It wasn't even normal fish. It was like an exotic fish that smelled really bad.

[Juju]

Was it like the golden child where they offered you some in some other language and you just kind of like had to put on your earphones and.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was the worst victim airplane situation that I have had. Like you guys complain sometimes about somebody putting a seat back or some of the other airplane.

[Nick Costos]

It doesn't bother me.

[Dan Le Batard]

It doesn't bother you. It bothers a lot of people, especially in a tight space. But the taking of the shoes off is a complaint I hear a lot. But to me having experienced it, the worst one is somebody with stinky food. Like you just can't do that on an airplane in a flying tube that traps both air and smell. But speaking of airplanes, Stephen Ross, the owner of the dolphins. We have some footage here of Stephen Ross. I have not seen this. Can you, can you tell me Zaslo who, where is this coming from? That Steven Ross is getting on his off his airplane and he is mad that his car and this is an 80 plus year old billionaire. He's mad that he's got to walk how much further to his car? You'll see than he would like to because he wants. Does he want the car to be right near the wheels? The way that boogie flies where he's got so many miles, Almost as many as a mean where a Porsche just picks up boogie near the wheels of the airplane. Oh wow. This was 20 extra yards that he did not want to walk.

[Nick Costos]

Like it was less than that.

[Stugotz]

It seemed like the car was total from the plane. 30 yards. He got about 15 yards and was like what the hell are we doing here? You can see his arms waving. Like what is this?

[Juju]

You guys sound like a bunch of pores. That's how the ultra elite and wealthy do, man. That's how we do.

[Stugotz]

Just Walking down, he's like, what is this?

[Juju]

What is this?

[Dan Le Batard]

I got a.

[Stugotz]

Right here, right here.

[Juju]

Why are we parked all the way over there? This is like this. Like, Zaz taking his American Airlines bus.

[Stugotz]

Acting like it's blocks away. He has to walk.

[Dan Le Batard]

You guys sound like people who sit in the middle of middle seats.

[Juju]

Oh, my God. Getting offered fried fish. Exotic fried fish.

[Stugotz]

I love that. There is no audio on this. He could not be complaining about anything we're saying.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, no. It seems pretty obvious, though. No, we could have.

[Stugotz]

This could just be like, I'm mad. I got to go to this meeting right now. He could be complaining about anything, guys, if you want to be fair to.

[Juju]

Him, if we run it back, I think I know what he's complaining about. Apparently, someone was walking around with socks because Mark clears. Peed everywhere. Like, what is this? What is all this pee? It sucks.

[Mike Ryan]

Now everyone does this. It's. It's not. I'm sad that Mark gave that away.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now, does this make Steven Ross a good NFL owner or a bad NFL owner?

[Juju]

It's a huge puddle of pee right there in the middle of tarmac.

[Nick Costos]

There's nothing else he could possibly be motioning about other than the car, right?

[Mike Ryan]

Or p. Do you think that one.

[Stugotz]

Guy that just handed him his jacket is just his jacket holder? Like, that's just what he does.

[Juju]

You say his whole job is to jacket. I mean, hand him the jacket. Sorry.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

I'm like, like.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugotz]

Of walks, but I'm on base when.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

George Clooney has chimed in on this heist that we've been talking about because there is no greater connection point other than 90s baseball than the people around here at Meadowlark Media have when it comes to engaging in community conversation, then just interest in a heist or a heist movie. George Clooney has weighed in on the heist at the Louvre that ended up with people taking crown jewels that have not yet been recovered. Right. They have not. Nobody has found who's trying to sell these, where they're being sold. I do not think that there is a black market that would make it an ability that anyone would have to be able to actually sell this. You steal it, you're gonna have to hold on to it for a while. And when you do try to sell it, I believe you're gonna get caught trying to sell it.

[Juju]

Dan, when you do a heist, you don't just do it blind. You already have the fence lined up. That's the way you do it. It's the planning. It's part of the planning. I'm the guy, the stick up guy. He's the guy who's gonna case the joint. These are the guys are actually gonna go. One is a demolitions expert, the other one knows how to pick locks. And then what we're gonna do is we take it to our fence contact who usually is in Vienna or Zurich, one of those cities. It's never like in the city you're in and he's already given you a price. But what ends up happening is he double crosses you.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, no.

[Juju]

And I think that's what happened because, you know, they got caught.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right? Let's. I did not know that. I did not know that. Spoiler alert. Well, a couple of them. Okay. I was not aware of that. Let's hear what Clooney had to say on the subject.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I mean, it is pretty funny because it really was like in the middle of broad daylight, crazy.

[Dan Le Batard]

All the.

[Chris Cody]

I wonder if they're going to catch these guys. I mean, they seem to have done a pretty good job of getting away with it. Seven minutes I watched the film with him coming down the.

[Dan Le Batard]

And you said, you should be in the back. You should be in the bucket.

[Mike Ryan]

You should be in the bucket.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, it was cool though. I mean.

[Nick Costos]

Yeah, cool.

[Chris Cody]

I mean it's terrible, but I mean if you're a professional thief, like I am, right? I was very proud of this guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's kind of got the reaction all of us have. Yeah, terrible to steal, but also pretty cool to be around a heist and to hear about a modern day heist.

He's like a little too proud, right? Like to where it makes you a little bit suspicious that he's a part of it. Like it would be the perfect crime. George Clooney part of all the Ocean's movies.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, pretty cool, right? Like it's amazing that those guys got a broad daylight. I wonder how they did it. It's, it's pretty, I mean, you know, terrible.

[Juju]

But Jeremy, this is how it goes. He does a media tour because he becomes the expert. Kind of people like go to him, ask questions about like, oh, it's really da da da. And then he kind of laughs like haha, back in my day. And then he gets in the limo and the camera pans over to the other side of limo and it's the, the thieves, the heisters are right there and say, you're done getting your publicity. He's like, settle down. He's the fence. That's who it is. George Clooney has now escalated. He was a heist guy, now he's the fence. He's the guy who comes. And that's why he double crosses him because, you know, once a thief, always a thief.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, and that's why there's still one person on the loose. Like they, they have, you know, caught a couple of people, but reportedly there are still people who are out there who were involved in it. And you wonder, could that be Clooney? Could there be another Max masked vigilante who's a part of this? I really have no idea.

[Juju]

The guy on the loose. This is what happened. They all left, they scattered. And then they had the rendezvous point. And they're like, okay, let's go to Clooney now. And the guy on the list said, no, I don't trust that mfer, man. I don't trust him. I don't trust him. He's gonna sell us out. I'm not going down with you guys. Come on man, the money's there, let's just get out of here and go to Mexico. Like no, man, you guys are on your own. And then he takes his share of the jewels and he books it. And then he's watching the news and he's like, son of a bitch. I knew it.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I really thought Clooney was like a great actor. Right. But if, if he's involved in this, I mean, the amount of pride that's in his voice and when he goes, you know, it's terrible. Makes a face like, we all know it's not terrible. I don't think it's terrible for real, but I know I have to say it's terrible. He doesn't believe that at all.

[Juju]

Is it terrible? Look, look there in a. In a world full of crimes against humanity.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's illegal.

[Nick Costos]

That's my gift.

[Juju]

It's illegal. It's illegal. Is it terrible? Oh, the crown jewels. Who cares? This does not impact anybody's life.

[Mike Ryan]

Look at that face.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is not the face of someone who actually believes something is terrible.

[Juju]

He's proud.

[Mike Ryan]

Why don't we put Sagats up there?

[Dan Le Batard]

We're gonna play another rousing rendition of Real or Fake podcast. But before we do that, I just. Because Inter Miami is up one nothing in their playoff series after being extinguished.

[Nick Costos]

They were going to finish that series.

[Dan Le Batard]

In the first round. There's a week between game one.

[Mike Ryan]

That's the MLS welcome. Everybody has there. There's a week between league games. That's how they do it in soccer.

[Dan Le Batard]

And because we had Andres Cantor on South beach sessions and we're hoping to make him a part of our buildup to World cup coverage because we want to cover the World Cup. Well, I have seen recently here that Trump is now threatening World cup host cities and, and is making cities that are not as dangerous as he says they are. He continues to make liberal cities more dangerous than they actually are. What do you make of him now?

[Mike Ryan]

Threatening Donald Trump would do that. The reality show host.

[Dan Le Batard]

Now he is threatening World cup cities with taking away. Taking away their games. And if he can do this, all of a sudden, Miami's gonna have a lot more games than Miami was gonna have before. I'm not, I'. I'm not sure that's great for Miami. It's great and the ideal is great for Miami. But the last time we hosted one of these games, we didn't quite have the. Not one of these games, but a game like it, we didn't quite have the security for it. And what ended up happening is you just had a bunch of brown people climbing through air conditioning ducks at Hard Rock Stadium.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, Chris Cody's ticket never got scanned.

[Stugotz]

I just walked in, I had a ticket and I was like, anyone.

[Mike Ryan]

But that was com nybol. And, and since N FIFA did organize some games over the summer with the Club World cup, and those went without incident. And Trump has decided that Miami is not one of these democratically led cities that bother him. So perhaps Miami stands to gain from what was a threat that felt empty a couple of months ago when he threatened to take World cup games away from Chicago, which if you ran a Google, you'd know Chicago doesn't have any. But he threatened to take World cup games away from a city that didn't have it. And now his latest threat, as he should, and FIFA kind of just stayed quiet on that front, I guess, like this is the latest thing that he's obsessed with and we'll just move on. But he brought it back when he was asked about the mayoral election happening in New York and the final is going to be at MetLife Stadium. Then he threatened to perhaps move the final away from New York if he felt like these cities were a little too dangerous. Again, MetLife Stadium, not in New York, it's actually in New Jersey. But I do think the notable thing here is Johnny Infantino, or Johnny Soccer, as Donald Trump has called him before. He has actually said, no, this is something that can happen. Now, you'd imagine this would be a logistical nightmare as people have already been planning their trips over to the United States for the World Cup. You don't really see venue changes on such short notice. And yes, a year out for something like the World Cup Final is short notice. Could be an empty threat. Could be something legitimate though, because the head of FIFA just said, no, it's something that we can do. So we will wait to see if he actually threatens to take games away from cities that actually are hosting FIFA World cup events.

[Dan Le Batard]

Johnny Infantino is a great name for somebody who's doing criminal or immoral things for sure. Just really, just really solid as a name. I would convict Johnny Infantino of just about anything that you were accusing him of just based on having the name Johnny Infantino, by the way, shout out.

[Juju]

To FIFA because he succeeded Sepp Blatter, which is also a name that sounds. I'm into all types of criminal activity.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, look, it's really unfair to levy that kind of stereotype against the head of FIFA, dog.

[Juju]

Do you understand what kind of rigmarole you gotta do for your name to be Joseph? And say, my nickname isn't Joe or Joey, it's Sepp. Shit, that's gangster.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll. Ebitardshow name that you're more likely to associate with criminal activity. Sepulchre Blatter or Johnny Infantino just as a name. Go ahead and play the Sepp Blatter. Sound of him celebrating the fact that Sepp Blatter gets to be once and for all, forevermore the president of everything.

[Nick Costos]

So I'm the president of everybody. There is no retention. That's just president of the whole FIFA.

[Tony]

Voila.

[Dan Le Batard]

Voila. Let's play a rousing rendition here of real or fake podcasts to conclude our two here. Time to think fact.

[Mike Ryan]

Is this a real or fake podcast? It's been a while since we've done this, so I've been in the lab. I'm trying to trick you guys. That's what I try to do with this. The game is simple. You guys make guesses on a podcast that I say out loud, and you try to guess whether or not it is real or fake. First one up closed on Sunday with Patrick Surtan.

[Nick Costos]

I'm gonna fake.

[Stugotz]

If it was with Bolster Tans, I'd believe you.

[Juju]

I wish it was real. That's an awesome name for a podcast with Patrick Certain specifically, but I'm gonna say fake.

[Dan Le Batard]

We all think it's fake.

I'll say real.

[Mike Ryan]

That is a real podcast.

[Nick Costos]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, snuck in there.

[Juju]

Apologies.

[Mike Ryan]

Next up, serving it up with Lance Lynn.

[Stugotz]

Who would listen to that?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's such a good point.

[Nick Costos]

That's real.

[Stugotz]

Would Cardinals fans even listen to into that fake?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, serving it up means he's allowing home runs, right? Why, no, that can't be right.

[Juju]

Oh, he plays for those Cardinals.

[Mike Ryan]

That is a real podcast for the outspoken Lance Lynn. Co host, Nate McLove Holiday with Michael Holly.

[Juju]

No. No way. No, no, no.

[Chris Cody]

That's real.

[Juju]

My man. Michael Holly is not a hack, man.

[Chris Cody]

It's real.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know. I like that name.

I'm gonna say that that's not. That's hosted by Matt Holliday.

[Mike Ryan]

Holliday hosted by Michael Holly is fake.

[Juju]

I told you. Michael Holly is a journalist, man.

[Mike Ryan]

Next one, Flutie Flake cast with Doug Flutie.

[Juju]

No way. Do they still make Fluti Flakes? If they do, then yes, it's real.

[Mike Ryan]

If they don't, then no Fluti Flakes cast. I forgot it has Flutie Flakes cast.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, that. It's all fake.

Everything, including a little more convinced.

[Juju]

If it was Fluty new Genics cast, would you believe it?

[Mike Ryan]

Fluty Flakes cast is a real podcast hosted by Doug Fluty.

[Chris Cody]

No.

[Mike Ryan]

Lastly, trade and Paint with Bobby Allison.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's real. That's real.

[Juju]

That's on SiriusXM. NASCAR radio.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, real Bobby Allison died in 2024.

[Juju]

But he had a podcast, so.

[Nick Costos]

Real or fake?

[Mike Ryan]

No, he was in his 80s. It's a fake podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

And boom goes the dynamic of mine.

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[Dan Le Batard]

They're annoying.

[Stugotz]

Old reference.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Chris Cody]

He looks like you're all set for Halloween.

[Dan Le Batard]

What gives you that impression, Senator?

[Chris Cody]

I saw a witch in the corner. And there's a skull.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thankful when Mark Kelly makes time for our program. He's a former US Navy combat pilot, an astronaut. He's the senator from Arizona. And we are in the center of. I'm going to call it government crisis shutdown. But we'll see what he calls it. Thank you again for making the time for us, Senator. Last time you came on with us, you believed in the Arizona Cardinals. And Kyler Murray, you should not. Has your. Has your faith been shaken since. Since you were on with us? They're now 2 and 5.

[Chris Cody]

2 and 5. And lost to the Tennessee Titans, I think. Right. A week or two ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Possible loss and a truly impossible loss. Even in your history in Arizona sports, there has never been a loss like that one.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, of course you're going to win some. You're going to lose some, but you shouldn't lose to the Titans, especially this season. So I am. I am concerned. I'm hopeful about Kyler Murray coming back. And we'll. We'll get back on track here. We got a lot of season left in front of us.

[Nick Costos]

You shouldn't be hopeful.

[Dan Le Batard]

You should not be hopeful. You will not get back on track. It's okay. I don't want to argue with you right now. There are Enough problems in the country, and it's not the reason that we had you on. So as it relates to the government shutdown, what concerns you most here?

[Chris Cody]

Well, it's all the, the folks out there that health care is going to, you know, rise rapidly for them to pay for health insurance. It's live right now on healthcare.gov people are logging on. They're going to see what their premiums are going to look like. And the folks that I speak to in Arizona, it's unaffordable for so many people. And that means millions of people across the country are not going to be able to afford their health insurance. So they're going to, they're often going to drop it, and then they're going to be one accident or illness away from a bankrupt bankruptcy. This is not good.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also not good is that thousands of federal employees and members of the military. I think this Friday. Right. Is when missed paychecks start.

[Chris Cody]

Well, for members of the military, it's going to be up to what Donald Trump does next. We're looking at ways to make sure people get paid. Members of the military should not miss paychecks. I spent 25 years in the Navy. I understand, especially for young service members, what they're dealing with, with not getting a check to pay their rent or buy groceries. But I think it's important for people to remember that this could be easily fixed. I mean, the president took off on a trip to Asia. He needs to get back here and sit down with Democrats and Republicans and, and just sort this thing out. The president said that he is not in favor of these premiums going up to a point where it's unaffordable. But he hasn't been talking to us about it. And that is a big problem. He spent, by the way, Dan, he has spent more time on that ridiculous ballroom than he has on the price of people's health care.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, a problem is food stamps. 40 million Americans are gonna lose access here to supplemental nutrition. Is that going to happen? Like, do you. Is there any way of warding that.

[Chris Cody]

One simple for that not to happen? There was a contingency fund made explicitly for this purpose so that in the case of a government shutdown, there is money available to pay for SNAP benefits for food stamps so people don't go hungry. But here's the problem. Donald Trump said he's not going to use that contingency fund because he would rather just have people go hungry instead of deal with the problem and deal with the system that we set up to, to address this Is this going.

[Dan Le Batard]

To be something that we can ward off, Senator? Like what? What? How do you see this going?

[Chris Cody]

Well, this is easily fixed. Just come to Congress or folks will go to the White House to talk to him. He's got to get back from this trip. He left in the middle of a government shutdown. He left when people were facing these rising health care costs. He left when there are issues with paying air traffic controllers and others. And he left with this looming crisis of people not being able to get the money for the food assistance they need. In my state, that's almost a million people. Across the country, it's 40 million people. So this is ridiculous that this has gotten to this point. But unfortunately for Congress to solve anything because of how beholden Republicans in the House and the Senate are to the president and what he thinks and what he says. He's the guy who has to solve this problem at this point.

[Dan Le Batard]

I asked you a form of this question before, but I will ask it more directly this time. Do you believe that the game plan here, when you keep saying this is easily fixed, is to break the government?

[Chris Cody]

We don't want to break the government. I mean, I serve as the United States senator. I spent 25 years in the Navy and at NASA. That is not the intention here by myself or any of my colleagues. There are some folks I think that serve that fundamentally do not believe in government. What we want is to get them to the table to solve the crisis that people like my constituents like Brent in Mesa who has lupus, who can't afford his health insurance, or Emily, who's married to a pastor, who get their. They get their health insurance for her, her husband, the pastor, the kids through the Affordable Care Act. They're not going to be able to afford it either. I've got story after story of people that are going to be in a horrible situation on November 1st and they're going to have to start making decisions about, you know, do they pay their rent this month or their premium on their health care. Do they put groceries on the table? And Dan, I think it's really important for people to recognize how did we get here? The reason why we are here is that this president and Republicans in the House and the Senate wanted to give a giant tax cut to billionaires and millionaires. And it's partially paid for. There's still a lot of debt associated with this $4 trillion, but it's partially paid for by kicking people off of Medicaid and rising and raising their premiums. If they get their health care from the Affordable Care act that was to pay partially for the tax cut.

[Dan Le Batard]

You are somebody who believes in the ideals of this country. Have you. You don't do hopeless and you don't do helpless, but have you ever felt as close to hopeless and helpless as you do right now when you see the amount of crises that you're surrounded by?

[Chris Cody]

Dan, I'm an eternal optimist. I am a guy who flew on a rocket ship built by the lowest bidder. You got to be an optimist. So I think we can get through this. We could sort this out this week if we could just get them engaged on it. If we can get the president engaged on this, on this problem.

[Dan Le Batard]

It is something that you're answering that way because you're an eternal optimist. But I really am asking you if you've ever seen this number of things at your doorstep that, while uncomplicated, do seem to be adversely affecting the poor more than just about anything and anyone else.

[Chris Cody]

Working class and poor folks in our country have been screwed over by the government for decades. We have rising disparities in not only income and net worth, and it's happened. And people's wages have not risen. Unless you're a CEO or the CFO of a company, the system has been rigged against working class people. And that's what you're seeing here.

[Mike Ryan]

You look at the situation with our neighbors to the south of Jamaica going through a Category 5 hurricane right now. What is the process of delivering humanitarian aid to them?

[Chris Cody]

Well, we had one. I'm not so sure that process exists anymore because Donald Trump got rid of usaid. So we don't have the professionals. We don't have the funding anymore. We don't have the programs available to assist countries when they have catastrophic things happen. And it wasn't a lot of money. When people argue we shouldn't be giving money to these other countries, it is in our self interest to support other nations. As the United States of America, the richest country, most powerful country on the planet, we have benefited by helping countries like Jamaica. If it goes through a catastrophic Category 5 storm, I'm not so sure we have the ability to do that right now. Certainly the Department of Defense could step in and do some things, but not, we do not have the capacity to deal with things like this as we did 10 months ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you have one thing above all others that is more likely to make you go home and test the eternal optimist in you by saying, like, this is the greatest of the problems facing us Right now, as a country, as.

[Chris Cody]

A government, well, you know, folks, when they, when they can't buy groceries and put food on the table, they tend to be focused just on that and their, and their safety. And I get that. I do worry about our democracy and the attack on institutions and the way the Justice Department is now being used by the President to go after his perceived enemies. That is an erosion of all of those things that kind of bind us together as a nation. And we're really divided, and I worry about that division and the politicization of everything and polarization. We're one nation. We got to stick together. We've got a lot of adversaries in the, in the world. A lot of countries, you know, that want to push us down, set us aside, that are threatening to us, threatening to our safety. Got incredible challenges, not just here at home, but around the world. We're best able to meet those challenges if we stick together. And I think this president uses every single opportunity to try to divide us as a people. And that is very concerning to me.

[Nick Costos]

Senator, is going to space fun?

[Chris Cody]

It is the best. It is like, I mean, climbing into a rocket ship, strapping into that seat, turning all the stuff on. You're laying on your back. Countdown clock gets to 0.7/2 million pounds of thrust on your back. Accelerating from 0 to 17,500 miles an hour in 8 1/2 minutes. It is the most crazy and incredible ride anybody could experience. I highly recommend it for you guys.

[Nick Costos]

Hell, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You spent how many days in space? More than 50, right? You spent.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I did four missions to the space station. I was the pilot and the commander of this, of the space shuttle a couple times each. I was the last commander of space shuttle Endeavor. I went to the space station four times. I have 56, I think 56 days in space.

[Nick Costos]

I can't go. I get vertigo.

[Chris Cody]

My brother has a lot more. He spent a year on the space station and six months, the time before that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Scary or not scary to you because you're saying it's the best.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, you're concerned. I mean, you know what the risk is. There's a, a reasonable probability that you're going to die. But it's also in furtherance of, you know, exploration and science, and it's really good for our country to do these kind of things. So you do, you do look at the risk, reward, proposition. And it's not just the reward. You know, to me personally, it's like, what does this do for our country? You know, that's why, you know, I'm still a big supporter and will continue to be a supporter of our space program. You know, trying to get Americans back to the surface of the moon before the Chinese do this, do it a different way, where we can build an economy on the moon, kind of like we built an economy in low Earth orbit with commercialization and private partners. I want to make sure we do this before the Chinese do it. What kind of message would it send to the rest of the world if you got Chinese cosmonauts walking around on the surface of the moon, planting their flag, talking about how they are the leaders in science and technology and exploration, and we're struggling to catch up. We don't want to be in that. In that situation, Senator.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, it's like being the Cardinals. You're always behind.

[Chris Cody]

Just this season, Dan. Just this season.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not just this season, Senator. Grateful for your time and grateful for your work. Thank you, sir.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you for having me on.

[Mike Ryan]

Just. I heard you say Department of Defense. I don't know if you got the.

[Chris Cody]

Memo, but I will always say that we have not changed the name. There is no memo that matters.

[Mike Ryan]

You're gonna treat it on Twitter.

[Chris Cody]

Gets to decide.

[Dan Le Batard]

Amen.

[Chris Cody]

If anybody says Department of War to you guys, you tell them that's not the name.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, all right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hell, yeah.

[Chris Cody]

You could tell them I said so.

[Mike Ryan]

Seems like the name.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hoorah.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, the football season. Cruel beast. Sometimes it gives. Sometimes it rips away. Sometimes you got good times, Sometimes you got bad times. But one thing that'll always lift your spirit is making it Miller Time. Because game day just hits different. With Miller Lite in your hand. 50 years of great taste, simple ingredients, and that iconic golden color that you can spot from across the room. It's a real eye catcher, folks. And here's the kicker. Just 96 calories, 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces. The original light beer since 1975 and still hitting different five decades later. So whatever your game day looks like, remember, Miller Time is always a good time. Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. It's Miller Time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Company, Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.