Hour 2: The Monkey's Toss

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 2: The Monkey’s Toss
Date: February 18, 2026

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Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and regular show contributors dive into a raucous, insightful, and frequently comedic exploration of the latest sports controversies, South Florida sports culture, language quirks, and media personalities. The episode bounces between college basketball, hockey drama, pop culture, and the intersection of sports history and social responsibility. As always, the panel’s chemistry transforms everyday sports talk into something uniquely entertaining and substantial.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

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1. Fred Hoiberg and the Court Storming Controversy

(01:26–07:15)

• Incident Recap: Nebraska coach Fred Hoiberg appears in a viral video, swiping at a fan’s phone during a crowded postgame court storm, sparking speculation about whether he struck a student or someone else.
• Breakdown of the Video: The crew meticulously dissects the footage from different angles to determine what really happened and who was involved.
  • Greg Cote: Points out, "It looked more like an assistant coach or somebody involved with the program, not just a student." (02:26)
  • Jeremy: Clarifies, “He's swiping at a kid… the kid goes behind an assistant coach holding a clipboard. When [Hoiberg] swipes, he smacks that assistant… right in the back of the head.” (02:50)
• Left-Handed Handshake Debate:
  The incident launches a tangent about how the traditional handshake line is biased against left-handed people (“put it on the poll!”), with playful banter about lefty inconveniences and social norms.
  • Stugotz: “The handshake line is unfair to the left handed. I didn't realize that until right now.” (04:30)
  • Dan Le Batard: “Lefties have… they're ambidextrous at this point… have you ever gone left handed for a handshake?” (04:47)
• Comedic Side Note:
  Dan tries to blame the “one-armed man” in the handshake line (a Fugitive reference), leading to more jokes:
  • Dan: “One of the rare occasions… it wasn’t me, it was the one-armed man.” (03:12)

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2. Mick Cronin’s Wild UCLA Postgame Presser

(07:16–23:10, revisited at multiple points)

• Coach Ejects Own Player:
  UCLA’s Mick Cronin makes the rare move of ejecting one of his own players after a hard foul, described by Tom Izzo as something he’s never seen before.
• Legendary Press Conference Exchange:
  Cronin clashes with a young reporter (Owen Ozust), deploying sarcasm and classic coach bluster while gaslighting him on camera.
  • Notable Quotes:
    • “I could give a rat’s ass about the other team’s student section” – Mick Cronin (08:15, 08:48, multiple times)
    • “I would like to give you kudos for the worst question I’ve ever been asked.” – Mick Cronin (08:20)
    • “Are you raising your voice at me? …Yeah, you are. Come on, dude.” – Mick Cronin (08:35)
  • Stugotz:
    • “It is so funny to gaslight somebody. ‘Did you raise your voice at me?’ And he did… Mick Cronin's like, ‘I'm in control now.’” (08:57)
  • Panel Analysis:
    The group analyzes Cronin’s psychological tactics, noting his manipulative command of the room and his amusement at bullying a young reporter.
    • Stugotz: “He smiles at the reporter for accepting the kudos… tastes blood… it’s a fight now.” (21:32)
    • Jeremy: Expresses empathy for the reporter: “This might have been their first interaction ever, and [Cronin’s] saying, ‘Worst question ever’… poor Owen Ozust.” (23:23)
• Linguistic Detour: The Origin of ‘Rat’s Ass’
  Jeremy provides a spontaneous etymology of phrases like "I couldn't give a rat's ass": - “It started with ‘I don’t give a tinker's cuss,’ then became ‘monkey’s toss’… eventually ‘rat’s ass.’” (11:43)

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3. Jeremy’s Baseball Fandom & Show Dynamics

(24:39–26:27)

• Jeremy is (lovingly) teased for his exuberant, nearly “orgasmic” reaction to World Series baseball and a recent interview with Andrew Friedman, leading to a flurry of inside jokes.
  • Dan Le Batard: “He’s talking about the World Series, you’re over here, like… making noises to the Canada and Czechia game.” (24:49)
  • Stugotz: “I am riding sidecar with Jeremy on having enjoyed that.” (26:10)
• Mike Ryan is ribbed for imitating Andrew Luck noises and for poking fun at Jeremy’s unbridled enthusiasm.
  • “I don’t like that Mike Ryan is making fun of you by doing what sounds like Andrew Luck having an orgasm.” – Stugotz (26:10)

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4. USA vs. Canada, Hockey Fears, and Nationalism

(27:09–30:42)

• Discussion about Olympic hockey: the relative strengths of the USA, Canada, and Sweden; the lingering nerves around Canada’s powerplay (Sidney Crosby in particular).
  • Dan Le Batard: “I can't give a rat's ass sound to his candidates, but I actually do care. This is a big game.” (27:32)
  • Stugotz (to Roy): “Are you now saying that you're officially afraid of Canada?” (28:46)
  • Dan: “Even down 2:1, I’ve got more faith in Canada making it to the gold medal game than I do for the U.S.” (29:37)
• Jokes abound about blind faith in national hockey teams vs. the Florida Panthers:
  • “You have more faith in your Florida Panthers… than American hockey players… Feels not American to me.” – Stugotz (29:05)
• The context wraps with the ongoing South Florida pride in their teams (especially the Panthers).

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5. Matthew Tkachuk, NHL Chirping, and the ‘Villain’ Legacy

(30:59–33:58)

• Tkachuk’s ‘Always a Bridesmaid’ Chirp:
  The group discusses Florida Panther Matthew Tkachuk’s infamous taunt to Leon Draisaitl (“always a bridesmaid, huh?”) as emblematic of the Panthers’ irritating, but winning, style.
  • Stugotz: “Saying that to Draisaitl seems to me to be something, if I’m Draisaitl, I would not forget.” (31:34)
  • Gregor Cote: Compares it to the brash, beloved (and hated) teams of Miami’s sports history, i.e., the 80s Hurricanes and Big Three Heat (32:14)
  • Dan: “Those teams do have a little extra added juice. Not just highly successful but the tough teams to play. The irritants… those have a legacy that tends to linger.” (32:49)
• The panel riffs on how off-ice rivalries spill over into the Olympics, making for better storylines.

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6. Pablo Torre’s Feature: Ronnie Seikaly and AIDS/HIV Stigma in Sports

(33:58–37:28)

• Pablo Torre’s new investigative story about former Miami Heat player Ronnie Seikaly and how he publicly supported Magic Johnson at the height of HIV/AIDS stigma in the NBA.
  • Dan Le Batard: “When everyone was afraid to play against Magic Johnson… Not a lot of people were doing what Ronnie Seikaly was doing… to make it so that Magic Johnson could reinvent himself.” (34:45)
  • Stugotz: Notes Magic’s unique legacy as an athlete-turned-owner and trailblazing entrepreneur.
  • Greg Cote: “To hear the real story is sweet. It’s a nice bow on Cycley’s career.” (37:03)
• The group praises Ronnie’s underappreciated impact and performance as a Heat player; gags follow about the Heat’s rebounding leaders and celebrity dating rumors.

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7. Madonna’s NBA Dating History: Playground of ’90s Gossip

(39:02–40:46)

• Detour into the soap opera of which NBA stars dated Madonna, with predictable laughter and escalation:
  • “Did he date Madonna or was that John Sally?... No, that was Brian Shaw.” – (39:02–39:09)
  • Dan Le Batard: Recalls Madonna’s famous on-screen slight to Kevin Costner in “Truth or Dare.” (40:46)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “I could give a rat’s ass about the other team’s student section.”
  Mick Cronin, echoing through the show, becomes both punchline and case-study in coach bravado (08:15, 08:48, 19:03, 22:29, etc.).
• Dan Le Batard: “One of the rare occasions in which he can actually say, it wasn’t me, it was the one-armed man.” (03:12)
• Jeremy (on sports idioms): “It started with I don’t give a tinker's cuss… monkey's toss, monkey’s uncle… and that’s the one that stuck.” (11:43)
• Stugotz (on Panthers’ ‘villain’ legacy): “Those are the teams that linger. The teams everybody else hated.” (32:14)
• Dan Le Batard (on Madonna): “It’s crazy, because later in the movie, she starts gagging for another reason around Warren Beatty. My dad took me to see that. I’m like, what is this?” (40:46)
• Jeremy (about the Mick Cronin presser): “I just can’t believe this isn’t a guy who [Cronin] already has rapport with… This might have been their first interaction ever.” (23:23)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

| Timestamp | Topic / Segment Description | |---------------|----------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:26–07:15 | Fred Hoiberg court storming – incident breakdown, handshake line debate, and left-handed bias humor | | 07:16–23:10 | Mick Cronin ejection, iconic presser, linguistic deep dive on ‘rat’s ass,’ manipulation analysis | | 24:39–26:27 | Jeremy’s passion for baseball, show banter, Andrew Luck imitation | | 27:09–30:42 | US vs. Canada hockey, Team USA nerves, Florida Panthers fandom | | 30:59–33:58 | Matthew Tkachuk’s infamous chirp, villain legacy, Miami sports history | | 33:58–37:28 | Pablo Torre’s Ronnie Seikaly/Magic Johnson feature, Heat history | | 39:02–40:46 | Madonna’s NBA connections, trivia, and film memory lane |

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Final Thoughts

This Hour 2 episode is classic "Le Batard & Friends": zany and whip-smart, laden with layered sports analysis, a love for the quirks of language and culture, and endless riffs that glide effortlessly from insightful to absurd and back again. With segments ranging from careful video dissection and coach-press conference psychoanalysis to language etymology detours and South Florida nostalgia, listeners are treated to both a sports show and a comedic roundtable that rewards loyalty—and keeps you laughing and thinking.

If you missed the episode:
Expect inside jokes, playful mockery, and plenty of personality—but also nuanced commentary on how sports intersect with society, fandom, and media. You’ll find yourself both entertained and a little bit smarter.

Transcript

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugats]

I've got a couple of stories to get to with college basketball coaches. I wonder what' going to escalate here with Fred Hoiberg. Not getting a lot of attention right now at Nebraska, but there is now video of Fred Hoiberg during a court storming, just hitting, evidently in the head. A student. I think that's what happened. There is some audio and different angles of this, but there's. There's a court storming and the Nebraska coach loses against Iowa. That's one angle that's close up but from a different angle. And that one has sound, too. And you hear what sounds like a student, but that is a swipe. Like that is a. He hits a dude in the head, Tony saying play on there.

[Dan Le Batard]

He did not hit him in the head. Let's be very, very clear. He takes a swipe at the phone, does not hit him in the head.

[Stugats]

Okay, so that. Okay, so missed him.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm with Tony.

[Stugats]

All right, so missed him. So missed is him, but comes close to hitting him in the head. So I guess, yeah, if you don't hit him, it doesn't count as hitting him. Right. What are you saying, Greg?

[Greg Cote]

Well, the person he hit was carrying a clipboard. It looked more like an assistant coach or somebody involved with the program, not just a student. I don't know how if that makes it better or worse, but see, okay.

[Stugats]

So I thought from the original angle that I saw, I thought that that was somebody that was holding the camera that he was swiping at. And that is what he's swiping at. Right. He's swiping at the camera that's in front of the face of the kid.

[Jeremy]

He's swiping at a kid who's going by him. But the kid goes behind an assistant coach holding a clipboard.

[Greg Cote]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

So when he swipes with the left hand to go after the face, he smacks that assistant. He next going through. Yeah, going through the handshake line right in the back of the head. And he's like, what's going on here? And then he points out at the kid.

[Greg Cote]

Exactly.

[Dan Le Batard]

He just told the coach, hey, I just hit that kid right there, not you.

[Stugats]

I didn't mean to hit you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, one of the rare occasions in which he can actually say, it wasn't me, it was a one armed man. Because right behind Coach Hoiberg is a one armed man in a handshake line. Gotta go righty there.

[Stugats]

So you're saying that he gets to say today, it wasn't me, it was the one armed man, it was this guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you guys totally missed that. No, no, There's a lot going on in this video. He apologized to the guy with the clipboard saying, I was hitting the guy behind you because he was putting the phone in the face. And I swiped at the phone. And while you're all watching that, I'm all over the one armed man.

[Stugats]

He can't say, it wasn't me, it was the one armed man. The one armed man was behind him. The one armed man didn't have anything to do with this. You just wanted to have the ability to say, it wasn't me, it was the one armed man. And have plausible deniability and a rare set of facts and ingredients put in front of you that do allow you to say that. But it's implausible because the one armed man didn't do anything. He was an innocent bystander. He didn't move. He didn't move his hand.

[Greg Cote]

Right. He swung and missed.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, the arm in question that is missing. Is the left hand and as we know, the right handshake line. You got your right hand there. It would need to be a left hand that would go to the back of the head or else you'd be able to see it from the front. If you had the right hand, you have to go like that over the back.

[Stugats]

The handshake line is unfair to the left handed. I didn't realize that until right now. I didn't realize until you just mentioned it right now that the put it on the poll at Lebiton show Juju. Is the. Is the handshake line biased unfairly against the left handed person?

[Dan Le Batard]

I think lefties have, you know, they're ambidextrous in this point where they know.

[Jeremy]

What the deal is.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, you go in right handed for a handshake, you. Have you ever gone left handed for a handshake?

[Stugats]

No, but if. But I'm not left handed. If I were left handed. I think I know lefties.

[Jeremy]

No lefties. No, it would be. It would be a cultural faux pas if you went in for a left handed handshake. And even lefties know that the hand, not just a handshake line. If I walked up to you with a left handed handshake, you would look at me like a crazy. I mean, who would do this? No, I don't like that at all. It feels uncomfortable.

[Stugats]

But you're not left handed.

[Jeremy]

It doesn't matter, okay?

[Dan Le Batard]

You're.

[Jeremy]

No one gives left handed handshakes.

[Stugats]

You're not an ally. You don't speak. You don't know.

[Jeremy]

You're speaking anti left.

[Stugats]

You're speaking on behalf of the left handed.

[Jeremy]

Without anyone that's on the left, it's me.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, I think we can actually blame this on the one armed man. Let's run, run it back one more time.

[Stugats]

We can't blame it on him.

[Dan Le Batard]

He didn't do it back. There's a lot going on.

[Stugats]

Blame it on him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. All right, so right here, the who knows what this kid is saying over here. But as you can see, we got coach Hoiberg over here.

[Greg Cote]

Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

He's over here. We got our one armed man over here. All right, now, field division, we have the assailant in question over there. And as you can see over here, we have one arm that is handshaking right now. And then as you can see over here, he didn't do anything wrong.

[Stugats]

What you just did there. I don't like how we're using the telestrator. I think that the world is Unfair to the left handed person here is the.

[Dan Le Batard]

They have their own scissors. Did you know that?

[Stugats]

I did know that.

[Greg Cote]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're fine.

[Stugats]

Okay. But they're not.

[Dan Le Batard]

They got the left handed scissors. They're fine. I'm just gonna keep running around. Yeah, yeah. What else do you want to give them, Dan?

[Stugats]

I just don't want to exclude them in the handshake line. And I think that Jeremy is speaking on behalf of the left handed with an authority that he doesn't actually have, that he thinks he has, where he's speaking for the left while not knowing what he's saying because he doesn't have the expertise like usual. I don't know if somebody who is left handed expects the. There must be left handed people listening to this right now who are saying. Who are mad about the fact that the handshake line was not made for them and they have to change their natural way of being in order to placate normalities.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, it shouldn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

Social norms.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, I feel bad for the lefties.

[Dan Le Batard]

You should. They're more likely to die in a horrific accident because the world was designed by right handed people.

[Greg Cote]

Never thought of that.

[Stugats]

Also in college basketball, I don't know if you guys saw this, but Mick Cronin, one of Stugatz's favorites because he's still bouncing around out there. He's at UCLA now, they lost by a million last night. And he ejected one of his own players for a hard foul. Tom Izzo said after the game, I've never seen that before. I guess that's just Mick Cronin being Mick Cronin. Mick Cronin was not allowing his player to play dirty by fouling someone. Hard down, 26 on a dunk. And so Mick Cronin ejected his own player. Just sent him back to the locker room.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, I also love that later in that same game, after the game, in the post game thing, he got into an argument with a reporter and he accused the reporter of raising his voice at the coach and the reporter denied it. And. And Mick Cronin goes. Everybody heard it.

[Stugats]

All right, hold on a second. Let's get that sound right now and see if Greg Cody had paraphrased it correctly or just ruin the sound that we're throwing. Like, I mean, says a specialty of.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mine, focus your thoughts in the student section.

[Stugats]

Chanting Booker's name.

[Mick Cronin]

I could give a rat's ass about the other team. Student section.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's about the overall, the way that.

[Mick Cronin]

I would like to give you kudos for the worst question I've ever been.

[Stugats]

Asked.

[Mick Cronin]

Did you, like, you should take it.

[Stugats]

The preparation of the.

[Mick Cronin]

You really think I care about the other team?

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[Stugats]

I don't think you care about the other teams.

[Mick Cronin]

Are you raising your voice at me?

[Stugats]

No, I'm just.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you are.

[Mick Cronin]

Yeah, you are. Come on, dude.

[Stugats]

No reason.

[Mick Cronin]

Come on. Yes, you were. Everybody's standing here listening to you. Everybody, this is on camera. They can hear you. I answered the question. I could give a rat's ass about the other team. Student section. I coach ucla. I don't care about Michigan State students. Who cares?

[Stugats]

That is great sound. And. And it is great as a comedic device. Now he's angry here, and it's McCronnon, but as a comedic device. It is so funny. To gaslight somebody. You raise your voice at me. Did you raise your voice at me? And he had. He did. He got defensive and he got scared, and he did raise his voice. And Mick Cronin went like, I'm in control here. You're the one who's not in control. He totally gaslit that report. Let's. I want to listen. I want to watch all of this again because he also. This was wonderfully. Mick Cronin giving him kudos for the worst question I've ever been asked.

[Dan Le Batard]

What was your thoughts in the student section?

[Stugats]

Chanting Booker's name.

[Mick Cronin]

I could give a rat's ass about the other team. Student section.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's about the overall. The way that you.

[Mick Cronin]

I would like to give you a kudos for the worst question I've ever been asked.

[Jeremy]

Did you.

[Stugats]

Like.

[Mick Cronin]

You should take it.

[Stugats]

The preparation of.

[Mick Cronin]

You really think I care about the other two?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I don't.

[Stugats]

I don't think you care about the other team.

[Mick Cronin]

Are you raising your voice with me? Come on, dude.

[Stugats]

No reason.

[Greg Cote]

Come on.

[Mick Cronin]

Yes, you are. Everybody's standing here listening to you. Everybody, this is on camera. They can hear you. I answered the question. I could give a rat's ass about the other team student section. I coach ucla. I don't care about Michigan State students. Who cares?

[Greg Cote]

That's great.

[Stugats]

This is one of the best things I've ever seen. I'm not kidding you. Because also, Mick Cronin giving him the side eye the entire time, talking to him out of the side of his mouth right up until he raises his voice and then he confronts him. Like it is. It is magical manipulation of the entire situation where he is just simply bullying some poor kid reporter who still cares about UCLA basketball. I want to watch all of that one more Time and dissect it together. Can we? And forgive me. I'm asking for genuine forgiveness here for beating this into the ground. But I want to study what it is that this man is doing. He's off. Okay. He's lost by a million. Mick Cronin doesn't want to be losing by a million anymore. He's been at this a long time. His team's not good enough. He's bothered, and he is being questioned in, you know, the bowels, the concrete bowels of an arena by five people, one of whom he does not believe to be qualified to be asking him dumb questions about the student section.

[Greg Cote]

And I want to throw in one quick aside. The rat's ass does not get nearly enough use in the context.

[Dan Le Batard]

Agree.

[Stugats]

Do you think we need to use it more? I don't give a rat's ass because it's a dirty creature. It should be a pig's ass, right? Or shouldn't it be? I guess. I don't know.

[Dan Le Batard]

That sounds weird. I don't give a pig's ass. Well, it's gotta be a rat's ass, right?

[Greg Cote]

Rat's ass. Because it kind of rhymes and it's a little.

[Mike Ryan]

A little ass, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

I think ass is bigger. I knew you guys were gonna go here. So originally, it started with I don't give a tinker's cuss. And then that turned into monkey's toss, monkey's uncle, monkey's butt, monkey's fart. Then they started turning it into other animals, which became rat's ass, and that's the one that stuck.

[Greg Cote]

Nice.

[Stugats]

That is a good history lesson.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, it really is. Thank you, Jeremy.

[Stugats]

So you're welcome. It used to be a monkey. It used to be, take me through the hierarchy.

[Jeremy]

I don't give a tinker's cuss. I don't give a monkey's toss. Which toss being ejaculate, I don't give a monkey's uncle, monkey's butt, monkey's fart, etc. And then eventually, because people ran with that idea, created different animals, smaller animals, dirtier animals, and it became I don't give a rat's ass. And that's the one that stuck through the mid 20th century.

[Dan Le Batard]

The only one that I've heard about monkey's uncle is, what am I? A monkey's uncle. I'll be a monkey.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah. I'll be a monkey's uncle.

[Stugats]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

As a. To state disbelief, I'm sorry, I can't. I can't shake the one armed coach didn't Expect it. It was a twist that I didn't see coming.

[Jeremy]

He can't shake with the left either.

[Mick Cronin]

I could give a rat's ass about the other team student section.

[Stugats]

You blamed him, Mike. You. You blame. He's.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I'm saying that the defense. It wasn't me. It was the one our man actually applied in this case, which is not something that you see every day. You only see it in the TV incarnation of the Fugitive and the Major Motion Picture.

[Greg Cote]

Now you're talking.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he's right behind him in the frame, right under your noses. I'll be a monkey's uncle.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard.

[Stugats]

Mike Ryan's in there and he's the one with a baby. He's the one who's gotta, like, worry about what the future is. And Mike Ryan bet on DraftKings because Mike Ryan bet on us. This is the bet you're afraid of doubling down on. Putting up a billboard in Edmonton.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats. I care more about Matthew Tkachuk than I do my daughter. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Stugats]

A monkey's toss. When were they using that? A monkey's ejaculate. They were using in that, like in the 1920s. They were trying to get that off the ground and then it morphed into a rat's ass. I want to go back to the Cronin, though. Let's please watch this with me together so that you can have all of the context. This is a pissed off human being, okay? And when these guys.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is there any other kind of micron?

[Stugats]

Put it on the pole. Is it redundant? Redundant to say it was a pissed off Mick Cronin, but when you approach people who are this wildly, stupidly competitive, and it's Fred Hoiberg and you're a student and you're shouting in his face with a camera. Woo. After he's lost as a favorite at Iowa, As a top 10 team at Iowa, these people are so competitive, and at this moment, they're angry. So Cronin's embarrassed. Doubly. He's embarrassed because in front of his peer, Tom Izzo, he's just gotten his ass kicked. And on top of that, one of his players fouled hard down 26 and came close to injuring someone. And so Mick Cronin has ejected one of his own players from the game. It's something Tom Izzo, who's coached for a while, has never seen before, just sent him away, ejected him. Now Mick Cronin is answering questions from what I believe to be a student reporter. And I want you guys to notice how that reporter's voice goes from a little bit higher when defensive to mouse quiet. When Nick Cronin. Mick Cronin turns on him and stops giving him from the side eye and says, you did raise your voice at me. And now he's threatening that poor. I'm assuming it's a kid because of how meek he got. I don't know why I'm making that assumption. I don't think it's fair to make that assumption, but for some reason, I think it's a student reporter. Let's watch it one more time.

[Dan Le Batard]

What was your thoughts in the student section?

[Stugats]

Chanting Booker's name.

[Mick Cronin]

I could give a rat's ass about the other team. Student section, overall, the way, I would like to give you a kudos for the worst question I've ever been asked.

[Jeremy]

Did you.

[Mick Cronin]

Did you, like you should take it, the preparation of. You really think I care about the other?

[Advertiser]

No, I don't.

[Stugats]

I don't think you care about the other.

[Mick Cronin]

Are you raising your voice at me?

[Stugats]

No, I'm. Yeah, you are.

[Mick Cronin]

Yeah, you are. Come on, dude.

[Stugats]

No reason.

[Greg Cote]

Come on.

[Mick Cronin]

Yes, you were. Everybody's standing here listening to you. Everybody, this is on camera. They can hear you. I answered the question. I could give a rat's ass about the other Team student section. I coach ucla. I don't care about Michigan State students. Who cares?

[Greg Cote]

You know what's interesting about that, to me, is that both versions of rat's ass work. You can say, I could give a rat's ass and you can say, I don't give a rat's ass. And they mean the exact same thing, even though they appear to be opposites.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, no, it happens with, you know, the S word. I could give a bleep. You're saying like you could or I don't. But it usually means the same thing. They're synonymous.

[Jeremy]

Owen Ozust, who is the reporter there, graduated from Michigan State in May of 2024, joining WILX TV in Mid Michigan. After that, he started as an intern there.

[Stugats]

Can we get him on? I'd like to talk to him just about how all of this felt. Because also, it's not just I don't give a rat's ass or I could give a rat's ass. It's also I couldn't give a rat's ass.

[Greg Cote]

That's true.

[Stugats]

Which I think is probably the one he's supposed to be using. But to me, the funniest part of all of this manipulation, it's got layers of funny, is Mick Cronin saying, I already gave you the quote. Like, I already get. I already said the rat's ass. I already. You asked me a dumb question and I gave you. I gave you gold. I reacted the way you want me to. It's ideal in this circumstance. I gave you the emotion of rat's ass.

[Greg Cote]

He knew.

[Stugats]

And then I gave you. Without ever looking you in the face, I gave you kudos. I gave you kudos for the worst question I've ever been asked. Because I don't care about the student section. Because I'm Mick Cronin. Because I'm angry. I've lost by 25. I just ejected one of my own players. I'm too old for this shit.

[Mick Cronin]

Are you raising your voice at me?

[Stugats]

And then that. Which is when the speed with which he goes from no eye contact to the chat. Because he did not say to him with eye contact. You just asked me the worst question. He was looking straight ahead and didn't look at the. At the reporter.

[Greg Cote]

Also without irony, he gave kudos for something that did not deserve kudos.

[Stugats]

That's correct. Well, I think he was being sarcastic. That was. I think that was obvious.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sarcasm observation.

[Stugats]

That was good from you to catch the sarcasm as we deconstruct this. But. But I would also. I'm Going to play it again. I know I'm annoying, but the reason I'm going to play it again is because I want you guys to dissect. When Mick Cronin is amused with himself because in the middle of all this, he also is pleased that he's insulted the report. And he smiles at the reporter for accepting the kudos. You guys saw that, right? He's like, oh, you want to spar? Okay, like what? This is a fighter that tastes blood in his mouth. And he's like, oh, it's a fight now. Okay, you want to accept my kudos? Wait till you see how I gaslight you for raising your voice and then make you talk like a mouse. Watch what happens here when you dare to make the eye contact with me. Because he doesn't make the eye contact, I think, until after he's amused, he's smiling. Oh, you want to spot? Really? You want to spar with McCronin?

[Dan Le Batard]

What was your thoughts in the student section?

[Stugats]

Chanting Booker's name?

[Mick Cronin]

I could give a rat's ass about the other team. Student section.

[Dan Le Batard]

Overall, the way that you.

[Mick Cronin]

I would like to give you a kudos for the worst question I've ever been asked.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right.

[Mick Cronin]

Did you, like, you should take it.

[Stugats]

The preparation of the.

[Mick Cronin]

You really think I care about the other two?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I don't.

[Stugats]

I don't think you care about the other.

[Mick Cronin]

Are you raising your voice at me?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I'm just.

[Mick Cronin]

Yeah, you are. Yeah, you are. Come on, dude. Come on. The issue where everybody's standing here listening to you. Everybody. This is on camera. They can hear you. I answered the question. I could give a rat's ass about the other team. Student section. I coach ucla. I don't care about Michigan State students. Who cares?

[Dan Le Batard]

Another great part of the manipulation is getting others in on the gaslighting. So he's like, dude, they all saw you. And everybody there is like, yeah, it's on camera. It's like, yeah, it is on camera. There's a guy with a camera. They're like, it is on camera.

[Jeremy]

I just can't believe this isn't a guy who he already has a strong rapport with to be able to say that. Because if it's someone that's around the team a lot or you've known for 10 to 15 years, and they're asking you this question to get under your skin. Sure. But this guy is a reporter in Michigan. Mick Cronin coaches ucla. They've only been in the Big Ten for a couple of years. This might have been Their first interaction ever, and he's saying, I want to give kudos to you for asking me the worst question ever to a guy who's just in his mid-20s. Poor Owen Ozust try and get him.

[Stugats]

On so that I could talk.

[Jeremy]

Already tweeted at him.

[Stugats]

I felt bad for you, Jeremy, While it is that we were talking to Andrew Friedman and I'll tell you why. For people who love baseball, I assure you that they were drinking in every drop of what that human being said because they know that the architecture of what it is that he's done in baseball makes him a bit of a pioneer. But I also sense that you were vastly more excited than the rest of the room. I felt like they were making fun of you. I believe at one point they were accusing you of monkey's toss in the corner because you were making noises during the interview of enthusiasm.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. At around like the 90s. Orgasmic sound. Tony and I looked at each other. You're right, pal. He's like, trying to get them into.

[Jeremy]

The interview because they were more excited about the hockey game.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, because he was talking about the World series and there was like a series. It was like a triple header of monkey tossing.

[Greg Cote]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I'm like, dude, what's going on over there? He's like, he's talking about the World Series. You're over here, like, making noises to the Canada and Czechia game. And I'm like, yeah, but that game's happening right now.

[Jeremy]

Talked about a 3.0change up from Snell to Vlad Guerrero Jr. What do you know? Expect me to do.

[Dan Le Batard]

It happened in October.

[Mick Cronin]

Come on, dude.

[Stugats]

I'm with Jeremy on this, though. Thank you. It was that amazing a World series, and to be next to that man as he suffered the thousands of ways they could have lost it. And also know that for all he knows, and he knows more than most, he didn't know that Miguel Rojas would save him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ah, come on. He's got all the money. Miguel Rojas, in fact, largely been a failure over there.

[Jeremy]

That's what I wanted to ask him is like, if I could have asked you anyone on your team that would have been the World Series hero before the season started. How many people would you have named before you got to Miguel Rojas? Probably 25. Of the 20.

[Dan Le Batard]

More than.

[Stugats]

Yeah. More than that. He probably. He probably would have been more likely to take somebody from the minor leagues.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Stugats]

Than Miguel. Than thinking that Miguel Rojas would be his World Series.

[Jeremy]

That's exactly how I sounded when I watched that happen. I Don't even care.

[Stugats]

I'm not.

[Jeremy]

This doesn't. This doesn't faze me at all.

[Stugats]

Weirdo. Like, I don't know.

[Jeremy]

Like, remember when I said I hear worse things than what Jeremy, I'm with. We were talking about earlier.

[Stugats]

Jeremy, I'm with you on this. I am riding sidecar with Jeremy on having enjoyed that. I don't like that Mike Ryan is making fun of you by doing what sounds like Andrew Luck having an orgasm.

[Jeremy]

Remember when I said yesterday I'm the only one that likes things?

[Dan Le Batard]

I like baseball, too. Like, it's just a weird reaction to have some, you know, some like, five months after it happened.

[Stugats]

I think if you love baseball and you loved that World Series and why wouldn't you love that World Series even if you don't love baseball? You might have also been enthused by who was talking about the things that he was talking about. What I don't get is why it is Mike Ryan's strange Andrew Luck orgasm sounds a little bit like Lou Dobbs pronouncing a Mexican city that he can't pronounce.

[Dan Le Batard]

The caravan of mostly Central American immigrants.

[Mick Cronin]

Is now in the Mexican city of Guadalaj.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's one of those sounds that stays with you and you don't even catch it when it inspires you.

[Jeremy]

The Milk Dudley boys.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wash will die.

[Stugats]

That is. That sounded like Andrew Luck's monkey toss.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wash will die. Cracked oil. Wash will die. Wash will die. This is the first time Canada's trailed the entire Olympics. Guys, this is nuts.

[Stugats]

So you're. Now it's the second period, though. Like, they're really.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but I haven't seen them trail the Olympics. They've led for 144, and it's been tied for 40. And since about 10 minutes left in the first period after going down 1 0, Chucky has stormed all the way back. And the Canadians appear to be in a bit of a fight right now for a quarterfinal. That you looked at all the legacy powers, you thought that they would have the easiest time. Canada, bit of a rock fight.

[Stugats]

Roy, why are you smiling?

[Dan Le Batard]

I do care, but I wanted to play this. I can't give a rat's ass sound to his candidates, but I actually do care.

[Greg Cote]

Man.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is a big game.

[Stugats]

Okay, so you wanted to play the sound, but you were having an internal monologue with an argument with yourself.

[Dan Le Batard]

You were smiling because he could give a shit. Yeah, exactly.

[Stugats]

Okay, so you were pretending not to give a rat to ask, but you're scared of their power play. That Has Sidney Crosby on it that you had to acknowledge the other day that Sidney Crosby was the best player on the best power play that there has ever been. And you're scared of them. And you're. Wait a minute. Have we arrived at that finally, Roy, genuine fear because you've claimed for two years you were never afraid. You were never afraid when The Panthers blew a 30 lead. You were never afraid when they were playing against game seven against Connor McDavid. Are you now saying that you're officially afraid of Canada?

[Dan Le Batard]

Dude, I'm nervous about Sweden. Get Canada. I'm worried about today.

[Stugats]

So what's happening here? You have more faith in your Florida Panthers, a franchise that has lost for 30 years, than American hockey players who you've seen recently. Be straight.

[Greg Cote]

Yes, yes, un American.

[Stugats]

What is that? What sense does that make? You should. You should pipe down as Boomer size and likes to say those thoughts to yourself. That feels not.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're going too far.

[Stugats]

That feels. That feels not American to me.

[Mick Cronin]

I could give a rat's ass.

[Stugats]

Why wouldn't you? Why wouldn't you have faith in your American patriotism and your American hockey player?

[Jeremy]

Yeah, right.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're talking about blind faith. I mean, if you follow hockey or the international game of hockey, you know that Sweden's got some really good players on them. And this is going to be a bit of a battle.

[Stugats]

Are you rooting for them to lose right now or do you want to see them like you want to. You want to play?

[Dan Le Batard]

I would love to see. I would love to see Canada versus the United States in the gold medal game. Even down 2:1. I've got more faith in Canada making it to the gold medal game than I do for the U.S. i think the U.S. loses today and I hope I'm wrong. I'll be there in my USA sweater, my USA cap runa, my favorite Kachuk brothers. But I think this is a really tall order today. It's difficult over there in Europe. Like it's not the same as the four nations. Yes, American hockey fans travel well, but I think there's gonna be a very pro Sweden crowd over there in Italy.

[Jeremy]

The Rocky Road Warriors.

[Dan Le Batard]

We heard you. Nine years of bring back the snack wrap and you've won. But maybe you should have asked for more. Say hello to the hot panny snack wrap. Now you've really won. Go to McDonald's and get it while you can. Don Libertard. That's not my favorite rejoin. Context needs to be applied for a joke.

[Jeremy]

And thought that context was applied.

[Dan Le Batard]

We we'd like to rip that out of context. I was going for a thing and you're gonna. I have a family.

[Stugats]

You're gonna pretend here that you don't love Matthew Tkachuk more than you love anybody you've ever loved.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't love Matthew Tkachuk more than my daughter. Stugats now. It's pretty damn close. This is the Dan Levatar show with the St.

[Advertiser]

Greg.

[Stugats]

Can I ask you because I want to circle back around what a professional irritant Matthew Tkachuk is. The Florida Panthers are beloved locally, but they are despised throughout the sport because they win and they like to annoy you and they play a style of play that likes to annoy you. Chief among those players most likely to be an iridescent. I mean, I guess it's Marchand historically, but Tkachuk would be in the conversation for him to say to someone of Draisaitl's pedigree, always a bridesmaid, huh?

[Greg Cote]

Love.

[Stugats]

Is cutting commentary that I believe outside of competition, no matter how much those two people might respect each other's skillset, I think saying that to Draisaitl is something that is cruel enough that Draisaitl will now arrive at never liking you if you're a teammate of his in the future. Like it's so annoying. Meant to get in the Probury of wherever an athlete of that skill set would have any insecurity. To have someone say that to your face that way to give that thought voice seems to me to be something that if I'm dry Seidle I would not forget.

[Greg Cote]

Give no or forget. But I. I love that. In. In. In the sports history of South Florida, the teams that I've enjoyed the most are the. The teams of ours that have been really, really good, championship good and also outspoken. Also the teams that everybody else hated. I'm thinking of the mid to late 80s Hurricanes in football. I'm thinking of the big three heat in basketball. And I'm thinking of. Of Marchand Matthew Tkachuk leading a Panthers team that isn't afraid to be the one you want to fight because you know how good they are and they'll tell you how good they are.

[Dan Le Batard]

Those teams do have a little extra added juice. Not just highly successful but the tough teams to play. The irritants, those have a. Have a legacy that tend to linger on. It's just a crazy chirp from a Matthew Tkachuk who's presently well outside the playoff picture right now. And the reports were from those that were around the ice during the Stanley cup final last year, a rematch of the previous one. They had never heard chirping like that ever. They said it was some of the most vile taunts that they had heard in a Stanley cup final. Like legit. Those two teams hate one another. So much so that it carries over to the Olympics, which is supposed to represent the best of athletics. That's what the crazy part of it was. It wasn't that he was chirping at him. I'd expect him to do that in the NHL for him to still be putting the Florida Panther banner on his back and chirping at at Draisaitl during a USA Germany game in which the Germans were 4 and a half goal favorite underdogs. It's pretty funny. Even for Matthew. It's extra.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, I mean, but he still thinks that Draisaitl as an Edmonton player, you know, he's not thinking, well, I'm chirping against a German guy. He's thinking of harking back to the two Stanley Cups in a row. I love it. I think it's great.

[Stugats]

Spicy Pablo Torre tomorrow is doing a different kind of story than the ones that he has been reporting most recently where it regards investigations. He is telling the story tomorrow of Ronnie Cyckelly. Some of the folks around here who have been listening for a long time remember that Ronnie Cycley was the original center on the original Miami Heat team. He was their best player for a few years when they had very bad teams. Some other people listening may not know anything about the basketball career of Ronny Cycley and only know him later in life as somebody who's an accomplished DJ and is really good at electronic music and has a substantive but the story that Pablo Torre is telling, a story that has not been told before, is how it is that Ronnie Seikkely specifically helped Magic Johnson when everyone was afraid to play against Magic Johnson because the fear of HIV made it so ignorant that Magic Johnson wasn't sure that he was going to be able to play amongst peers because people like Karl Malone were saying, I don't want to want that bleeding on me. And that was a pervasive feeling throughout that league that Karl Malone was putting his voice on. But not a lot of people were doing what Ronnie Cycley was doing, which is. That's ignorant. Of course I'm going to play. All these years later, Pablo Torre is reconstructing how it is that Magic Johnson still gives Ronnie Cycley credit for making what was a time in the NBA that was deeply ignorant and deeply fearful. Make it so that Magic Johnson could reinvent himself both playing basketball and in the career that followed. That would have him in ownership. You know, one, he is one of the most powerful athletes there have ever been because of how he got into ownership long before and in other sports, not even in his sport.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a trailblazing long entrepreneur.

[Stugats]

Well, just an entrepreneur, period. You don't have to make it black. Any athlete, any athlete ever. In terms of sports ownership, very few have used their power the way Magic Johnson and Pablo Torre is. Going back to the time when he needed cover from Ronnie Cycle in order to be able to continue playing and still thanks him to this day because of how fearful the time was. It's one thing to have Karl Malone saying what he was saying in public. He was saying something a lot of people were thinking and behaving like in private, but not willing to say publicly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Pablo's got this reputation around him that a bad one. Yeah. I heard in the office like, oh, Pablo's doing a story on Ronnie cycling. I'm like, hold up now. Ronnie's one of the good guys. What are we doing? I know everything that I know about Ronnie Cycley is that he is a good dude. My interactions with him have all been great. I know like from nightlife people down here that Ronnie Cycley is one of the good guys. Tell me this is a favorable story. The rare Pablo favorable feature. And I'm happy to find out.

[Stugats]

I don't think that it's rare. I just think Pablo's reputation now precedes.

[Greg Cote]

But especially in the realm of the NBA. When I first heard that Pablo was doing something on Ronnie Cycley, I also thought to myself, well, what's the controversy? What has Ronnie gotten himself into? To hear the real story is sweet. It's a nice bow on Cycley's career. I think because he played on the expansion era, heat cycles. Never gotten the credit he deserves. I think to this day he's like third on the team in all time rebounds. He was a good player.

[Jeremy]

The Miracle Whip, violence, connection.

[Dan Le Batard]

Elbows out, knees out, every board. They don't make him like Ronnie anymore.

[Stugats]

Does he still hold?

[Dan Le Batard]

They do, actually. Yeah, exactly like him.

[Stugats]

No, that is not like him at all.

[Dan Le Batard]

What do you mean, Harry? Hey, you catch? You catch that court time last night?

[Stugats]

Got three minutes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Inspiring.

[Stugats]

He got beat in the post twice and then was immediately benched. He is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Ronnie's under blocks for a feed up. That's okay. Provided his coach a blueprint like, okay, this is not the altuntaj game.

[Stugats]

No, you guys insult Ronnie Cycle. Ronnie Cycle was not only a lottery pick. Ronnie Cycle, I believe, had more rebounds in a single game than any Heat player ever. And maybe, maybe it was like a record breaking. Give me the career high that Ronnie Cyckley had for rebounds in a single game. Because I don't think it has happened very many times in the history of basketball that somebody is in the 30s in rebounds.

[Dan Le Batard]

34 rebounds. I knew it was like hovering around 30.

[Greg Cote]

34.

[Stugats]

You're insulting. Like, listen to what you guys just did.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, if you gave Celia Tuntaj that kind of playing time on that backup in Europe, that guy's grabbing forwards.

[Stugats]

34 in a game. Ronnie cycle. He had 34 rebounds in a game, then became a DJ.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're not really missing that many shots in NBA games anymore.

[Stugats]

Yeah, that's true. But he was getting a lot of offensive rebounds in that game because that Heat team was so bad.

[Jeremy]

4Th all time in rebounds for the Heat. It's Haslam, Bam, Alonzo Morning, and then Ronnie Cycley. But he did it in just six seasons.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did he date Madonna or was that John Sally? That was Spider.

[Stugats]

No, that was Brian Shaw.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, wow.

[Stugats]

It was Brian Shaw.

[Dan Le Batard]

Was it? All three of them? I mean, Madonna in the 90s.

[Stugats]

It may have been, yeah. I don't know. I. I think he also. Doesn't he hold the career record for double doubles for the Miami Heat? Because you guys are really insulting. You're not, you're not, you're not respecting the career of Ronnie Cycley.

[Dan Le Batard]

When you Bam.

[Stugats]

When you say that he's Altuta, it's Bam.

[Jeremy]

But Ronnie Seichelie is the record that he broke.

[Dan Le Batard]

And I'll tell you, when it comes to Danny Madonna, I wouldn't count out Celia Altuntaj either.

[Stugats]

Put it on the poll, please. At LeBatard show. When it comes to dating Madonna, would you count out Altoon Taj? I'm scared of his first name. Cause I don't. The spelling is different than how you're pronouncing it. And just put your hand over your mouth.

[Dan Le Batard]

Slap.

[Stugats]

When you're unsure how to pronounce someone's name. No one seized on that yet.

[Jeremy]

According to an article from Deseret.com Desiree.com On April 1st of 1994, Madonna had turned up at several Knicks games and reportedly had also dated basketball starls. Ah, damn. Charles Barkley and Ronny Cycley.

[Dan Le Batard]

Starls.

[Jeremy]

Starls. Damn it, you idiot.

[Stugats]

Canseco as well.

[Jeremy]

A rod.

[Stugats]

A rod as well. Yeah. Kevin Costner no, not Kevin Costner.

[Dan Le Batard]

Really? Kevin Costner is a bit of a lothario. Remember, there were all those things coming out from Sundance that he was shooting his shot with J. Lo recently?

[Jeremy]

I love Madonna.

[Stugats]

In Madonna's documentary Truth or Dare, when she was meeting Kevin Costner, who was the biggest star, she put her finger in her mouth and made a gagging sound as soon as he walked away, because she was so disgusted by him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Which is crazy, because later in the movie, she starts gagging for another reason around Warren Baker. My dad took me to see that. I'm like, what is this?

[Stugats]

With a Coke bottle? Your dad took you to go see the Madonna documentary?

[Dan Le Batard]

Highly inappropriate. I was like, four.

[Stugats]

You gotta be kidding me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Truth or Dare? He picked dare.

[Stugats]

What terrible parenting from your father.

[Jeremy]

Midnight Snack Express Press.

[Dan Le Batard]

Sidney Crosby's in the locker room. Radko got him.

[Stugats]

The butcher.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did he butcher send the kid to the locker room?

[Stugats]

He just. With thuggery. Did he give the street stuff.

[Dan Le Batard]

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