Hour 2: The Secret Behind Sports Media

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 2 – The Secret Behind Sports Media
Date: December 11, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Amin Elhassan, Mike Ryan, Roy, Tony, Chris Cote
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This hour dives into the complexities and contradictions of modern sports media, with a particular focus on NBA narratives, the Oklahoma City Thunder’s “boring” reputation, the shortcuts taken by pundits, and some inside-baseball on sports coverage. There’s the usual Miami-centric banter, irreverent humor, and a mix of pop culture, gambling, and NFL talk, all delivered in the show’s signature tone.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA Cup and Team Narratives

• The group recaps the NBA Cup semifinals, discussing the Spurs’ surprising success without Victor Wembanyama and debating narratives around "better without their star."

  • Amin on the Spurs: “Nine and three, I believe. Without Wembanyama.” (03:01)
  • Dan (joking): “Hashtag better without wembanyama.” (03:06)
  • Amin explains the league is already adjusting to Wemby’s style, and ponders the validity (and absurdity) of such talking points.

• Khalil Ware’s inconsistent performance is debated, with comparisons to how the Heat once handled Hassan Whiteside.

  • Amin: “They are not trying to make the same mistake twice. Just assuming someone's going to get it if you just continue to give them opportunity.” (05:58)
  • The crew repeatedly jokes about “Khalil, no” as an inside running gag when players fall short of “culture” standards.

• They touch on Ja Morant and Memphis, highlighting how off-court gestures (like charity ticket giveaways) are spun against rumors and trade speculation.

  • Amin: “That’s a really cool thing you do. You know what else does that, like every player in the NBA around this time of year...” (08:08)

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2. Media Shortcuts & Thunder Discourse

• Amin presents a “Top Five” list of who suffers most from the Oklahoma City Thunder’s current dominance and discipline:

  • 5. Opposing GMs: Forced to make extreme roster moves just to keep pace. (16:39)
  • 4. Opposing Coaches: "We've to come up with a scheme that's going to address that." (17:35)
  • 3. Video Guys: “Someone had to sit there and do the curating. What do you leave in? What do you take out?” (17:52)
  • 2. NBA Players: Playing OKC now feels like being on the “wrong side” of an AAU mismatch—publicly and painfully. (18:11)
  • 1. The Sports Media: No off-court drama, no easy narratives; their jobs are harder because OKC provides none of the shortcuts (scandals, egos, etc.) that drive TV/radio talk. (18:42)

  Amin: “They don't give us any easy storylines to obscure the fact that I'm not watching your games.” (20:01)

  Amin: “When you talk about sports media pundits, especially if you’re a general sports show, you only have enough bandwidth for a couple of things. … I haven’t watched a hockey game in about four years.” (20:41)

• Tony and Mike note that this is why college football (with established, easy narratives) is so media-friendly—pundits can feign expertise without watching.

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3. Culture, Effort & Player Development

• The Thunder’s culture of effort is contrasted with other teams. The crew discusses how being on the bubble in OKC is a motivator for fringe players—and how this relentless identity has “broken” the traditional way teams are covered.

  • Amin: “They have a culture that we play hard every single possession.” (24:37)
  • Tony: “That effort you see from this team, it’s crazy. You don’t see anything like that in basketball anywhere else.” (24:18)

• This spills into a debate about the Miami Heat and the loaded meaning of “Heat Culture”—and playful ribbing about who on Miami’s roster really knows about it.

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4. NFL Chat & Fantasy Wagers

• The show does a rapid-fire, lighthearted fantasy pick segment using "The Dentek Bucket," with each member drawing NFL matchups for potential fantasy punishments. Mock outrage and trades abound.
  • Amin refuses to watch Thursday Night Football: “I will refuse, refuse to watch Thursday night football.” (29:13)

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5. Sports Gambling and Media Ethics

• Discussion on the ethical gray area of gambling as a team owner, especially compared to the NFL’s ironclad restrictions.
  • Dan: “If Jerry Jones was betting on the Cowboys, that would be very frowned upon. … But this is high lie. ... you’re allowed to do that?”
  • Mike: “I technically am, but I choose not to. Sometimes. Or at least as far as the listener knows.” (35:12)

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6. Local Miami Color & Cultural Silliness

• Should Inter Miami throw a parade for Messi? If so, would Messi show up, and where in the city would it even happen? They joke about potential Kendall and Doral parade routes, and make fun of each other’s knowledge of Miami geography.

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7. Hockey Culture & Nicotine Zyns

• Mike Ryan shares the bizarre viral moment from the Tkachuk brothers’ podcast, “Wingman,” where they discuss “popping Zyns” (nicotine pouches) in the penalty box.

  • Matthew Tkachuk (quoted on podcast, read by Mike): "I'll always put a couple in my pants and bring it to the box. Just get me through the ten minutes. … I actually caught, like, a nice hum from it. … And then we get a power play, right out. I'm like, I'm staying for the two minutes on this one on the bench…” (40:18–41:33)

  • A discussion follows about the use (and weird rumors) of athletes using nicotine pouches between their toes for a more potent effect, and an aside about the foulest-smelling locker rooms.

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8. Dynamic Pricing, VPNs & the ‘Good Sites’

• Dan rants about dynamic pricing—flight costs rising after repeated searches—and VPNs as a workaround.

  • Dan: “So right now, I’m the only one who's coming home from Vegas on that trip. I don't have the ticket for my wife.” (45:44–45:57)
  • Roy: “A little something I like to call VPN … if you're looking for tickets, if you're looking for hotels, rental cars, whatever … get dynamic priced out of little VPN.” (46:53)

• The crew jokes about tools for bypassing site restrictions, with tangents into news and sports media “game changers” (the “good sites”), but delicately avoid naming specific controversial sites on air.

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9. Surveillance, Scams, and Media Grifting

• The tail end touches on personal data use, how businesses exploit repeat customers, airline pricing shenanigans, and some lessons learned from previous “insider secrets” like CLEAR airport security—Amin ruefully reflects on how tipping off too many people ruined his own shortcuts.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Amin (on sports punditry):
  "When you talk about sports media pundits … you only have enough bandwidth for a couple of things. You’re not actually watching all these games." (20:01)

• Dan (on stories about Oklahoma City):
  "They don’t have any dudes who do anything that you can question?" (19:59)

• Amin (on being honest about coverage):
  "I'll be honest with you. I haven't watched a hockey game in about four years." (20:41)

• Tony (on why CFP is easy media fodder):
  "It's why the College Football Playoff is so likable amongst media types ... all you really have to do is sort of tangentially pay attention to what the narratives are." (21:26)

• Mike Ryan (on the 'Zyn' phenomenon): "There is a huge Zyn community in the NHL, and Matthew Tkachuk, who once did give me a Zyn at a Miami Hurricanes tailgate. True story. You’re not gonna turn down a Zyn from Matthew Kachuk." (39:35)

• Matthew Tkachuk (via podcast audio): "I’ll always put a couple in my pants and bring it to the box. … I actually caught, like, a nice hum from it... That is the luck that we need. ... There’s no way.” (40:18–41:33)

• Amin (on sharing insider shortcuts): "I'm not gonna make the same mistake twice. I will not say the name of the site." (48:36)

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Timestamps of Key Segments

• NBA Cup & Spurs talk: 01:57–06:44
• “You Know About That” segment (recurring NBA quiz): 02:37–12:00
• Thunder “Top 5” and sports media critique: 15:52–21:31
• Discussion on easy narratives in sports media: 20:01–22:51
• Thunder “culture” and team effort chat: 23:18–25:00
• NFL Bucket segment: 29:04–34:12
• Parading Messi discussion (Miami banter): 36:18–37:38
• Hockey, Zyns, and locker room tales: 37:52–42:32
• Dynamic pricing, VPNs, and the ‘good sites’: 44:31–48:36
• Show wraps with Clear line stories and media grifting confessions: 48:36–49:07

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Episode Tone & Conclusion

The hour is classic “Le Batard Show”—irreverent, insightful, and briskly paced; heavily self-aware and inside-jokey, but full of real analysis, criticisms of industry laziness, and moments of genuine sports nerdiness. The show’s blend of goofing off, media critique, and veiled Miami in-jokes makes it accessible yet deeply referential for loyal listeners.

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For those who missed it: This episode is a fast, funny, and occasionally sharp look at the realities behind TV sports commentary, why certain teams remain underdiscussed, and how fans (and media) can fall into shortcuts or groupthink—all while never missing a chance for a Miami random tangent or a spicy inside joke.

Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

All right guys, last night was another big night in the NBA. You had the Western Conference side of the NBA Cup. So we now know we got the Thunder, we got the Spurs. On the other side, we got the Knicks, we got the Magic. So the semifinals for the NBA cup is set. But guys, there is a lot more happening in the NBA. So let's get to everybody's favorite segment. You know about that.

Oh that's right Amin. Let's test your NBA knowledge here with another edition of you know about that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Uh huh.

[Dan LeBatard]

We'll start out with the Spurs. So the San Antonio spurs, they keep on winning. They took that ass last night against the Lakers. The spurs keep on winning, and they keep on winning without wembanyama. You know about that?

[Amin Elhassan]

I know all about that. Nine and three, I believe. Without wembanyama.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hashtag better without wembanyama.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's a question. That's a question. It's a dumb question, but. But it's a question because their record with him, 8 and 4. And towards the end of that 8 and 4, no one wanted to talk about it. But it's like the league started to adjust a little bit and figure out the whole wembanyama's amazing thing.

[Dan LeBatard]

Look at how I pitched.

[Amin Elhassan]

But yes, they have been incredible. Last night, you wouldn't even know they were missing their best player as they went out there, raced up and down the court past the Lakers. The crazy thing for me believe going into the game, Lakers were the favorites mid game when they were down like 15 points. You know what the the live betting lines was? Spurs minus three and a half. I jumped all over that. I was like, come on, man, you think the Lakers gonna come back and win this game or even make it close?

[Dan LeBatard]

Gave away a free money?

[Amin Elhassan]

Free money. I mean, when you speak like that, you sound ridiculous.

[Roy]

Who had a good game in that spurs game?

[Amin Elhassan]

You mean there should have been number one overall pick of the 2025 draft or 2024 draft? That's what I was thinking.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know about all that.

[Roy]

30, 10, and 6.

[Amin Elhassan]

Man, where is that guy, by the way? You know about that? What? Remember that?

[Roy]

Remember Stephon Castle?

[Amin Elhassan]

What happened to Kahl El Ware?

[Mike Ryan]

Where is he?

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, man, things have changed. Khalil no, too much. You have to be way, way, way more ass. On with it. It to me again. Kalel no. Still too much emotion.

[Mike Ryan]

Really?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yep.

[Mike Ryan]

Kalel no.

[Amin Elhassan]

There we go. Better.

[Chris Cote]

That was better.

[Amin Elhassan]

All right, let me try it. Kal El no, I want to try.

[Dan LeBatard]

Kalel no.

[Amin Elhassan]

I think. I think Zaz wins.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, yeah. That's good. That's good. All right. So speaking of it. So sounds like you know about that.

[Amin Elhassan]

I know all about that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Speaking of which, Kelaware, his production has been down for the most part since Tyler Herro has returned for the Miami Heat. You know about that?

[Amin Elhassan]

I know all about that. But you know what? There's a lot of things we can blame on Tyler Herro. You know what we can't blame on Tyler Hero. Kele Ware forgetting how to play defense. Kell El Ware being inconsistent. I think the Miami Heat and Air Exposure have been ready, clear and blunt with the young man. About what the expectations are. You meet those expectations, we won't only play you, we'll play you. At the ends of games. Like that Knick game about three weeks ago, it's like, hey, Keller Ware's in the game in the fourth quarter. You don't come consistently. Those opportunities go away like they did in Orlando a couple nights ago.

[Dan LeBatard]

Was SPO this tough on Hassan Whiteside in that regard in the beginning?

[Mike Ryan]

No, no.

[Amin Elhassan]

Hassan, no, no, no. I think I talked about this with Jeremy. I believe a lot of what's happening to Kellaware as far as how they are treating him is a direct reaction to, we're not gonna make the same mistake again and say, but he's great. Just let him play and he'll figure it out. Because he's around a bunch of guys who all kind of get it. They're definitely putting their foot down a lot harder than they did with Hasan Whiteside. Not saying that Khalil Ware is Hasan Whiteside or not even in personality or style of play or whatever, but they are not trying to make the same mistake twice. Just assuming someone's going to get it if you just continue to give them opportunity.

[Dan LeBatard]

Khalil, no.

[Amin Elhassan]

Again, too much. I think Zaz is still the clubhouse leader.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so it sounds like you know about that. All right. Ja Morant and the Grizzlies.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Reportedly they're trying to work things out. You know about that?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, I read that. You know my favorite thing. You know, we talked about Ja Morant the other day and about how I said, look, if you factor someone in your future, you don't. You don't do that, like, change the system without consulting him or having buy in. And I guess because the Memphis people like. Cause I said Zach Edey, I didn't think Zach Eddy was a good prospect. They're very tuned in now to everything Memphis had. I say. So some guy said posted.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is that right?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, they're very. Because you know how I know every fortnight when Zach Eddie has a good game? Oh, I thought you said he couldn't play on NBA level. Like, I get that. I'm like, you know how I know he's not killing it? Because you don't give me one of those every game. It's just every fortnite. But this guy sends me a screenshot of a press release, John morant, to purchase 250 tickets to. You know, I think I got sent it, too. Yeah, like, you know, the holidays or whatever. These kids that don't otherwise get to go to NBA games, which, by the way, shout out to you, Ja. That's a really cool thing you do. You know what else does that, like every player in the NBA around this time of year. And this guy, like, does this sound like someone who wants out of Memphis, you doofus? You think it's like, oh, oh, man, hold on. I hate it here. Not that much, though. Let me buy some tickets for the kids.

[Dan LeBatard]

Am I cynical when I say, let me know when the guy who buys it buys it in section 103 to.

[Roy]

Say, this is like $4 tickets. Spent 1,000 bucks on 250 tickets.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's Memphis, man. $4 tickets might be six.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, you could be right. All right, so it sounds like you know about that. I mean, Austin Reeves last night.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, man.

[Dan LeBatard]

Was 6 for 16 in the NBA cup quarterfinal loss. And lest you say that that's an anomaly. That's after he went 3 for 16. The game before that. You know about those. Austin Reed struggles.

[Amin Elhassan]

I know all about that. I was talking to Tony about this before the show today, and you know what I said to Tony? I said, pumpkin time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Turn into a pumpkin.

[Roy]

No, I don't think so. I don't think so.

[Amin Elhassan]

I think he's got dead legs.

[Roy]

He's got tired legs. They lean on him a lot.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know about that dead leg throughout.

[Roy]

Luka and throughout the LeBron situation.

[Amin Elhassan]

No shit. You got dead legs. Everyone was. I remember Iverson talking about this years ago, and they were like, oh, Iverson shot 12 of 30. You know how hard it is to shoot 30 shots? 30 legitimate NBA shots. Not like just closing your eyes and just chucking it.

[Dan LeBatard]

12 of 30 is not terrible.

[Roy]

Where did Cade go?

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, now that was ridiculous.

[Mike Ryan]

Like 56 shots.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think he was 16 for 47.

[Amin Elhassan]

That was ridiculous. That was ridiculous. No one should ever shoot that much.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, it sounds like you can't spell Cinderella without the ar.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is young.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, no, you're right, you're right. You know what it also sounds like? Ella, Ella, Ella. Eh, eh, eh. I don't know why I thought about that song, but Cinderella, Ella.

[Dan LeBatard]

So it sounds like you know about that.

[Tony]

14 of 45, by the way, was the Cade game 14 of 45.

[Amin Elhassan]

Ridiculous. I got a couple more things, though. But again, now, here's the other part. Is it dead legs? Has he hit the wall? Kind of like what rookies hit. Because they come in and you're like a top overall draft pick and you get all the shots, and then by game 30, you're like, I'm not used to playing like this. That might be the case. Might be the case that the league has scouted him, which is, I think, is more of it. Or.

Did LeBron ruin him?

I'm not saying it. I'm asking questions.

[Roy]

Subtraction by addition.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm asking questions because when you have someone like Luka who uses a lot of possessions, there's only so much possessions left. So are you gonna give all of those awesome reasons as you were before, or does LeBron come in and say, give me my share?

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so it sounds like you know about that. I got one more for you here, Amin. Celtics are at the Bucs tonight.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know about those Giannis trey rumors?

[Amin Elhassan]

Ah, man, I know all about those Giannis trey rumors. My favorite part is, I think Mark Stein announced it or reported it a couple days ago, that the Bucks are telling everybody he's not on the table, but everybody's like, we don't care. Here's a bunch of trade requests and demands and questions and all those things.

[Dan LeBatard]

What happens when you call up a team and they say, player like Giannis is not on the table? Does that because the team doesn't care? Do they, like, sneak in an email? Like, how does it happen?

[Amin Elhassan]

No, it's like you start. You talk to them about who do you like? Like, just like, oh, I'm not talking about Giannis. I'm just talking about in general. Like, you know, we're looking at our roster. We're looking at you. Like, who do you guys like on our roster? And then, like, you try to are gathering that intel in order to piece together once again. So, like, if I was talking about Kella Ware and Tyler Herro and the first round pick, you that would. Yeah. And they were like, for who? I'm like, well, what do you think on your roster is worth that big of a baggage?

[Mike Ryan]

So say it's the Miami Heat and they're going down the list. Tyler? Yes. Kel, no.

[Amin Elhassan]

Jake Fisher said, if you're the Miami Heat and you want to talk Giannis, that's because. Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

And that right there is another edition of you know about that. Sounds like a meat knows about that.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don LeBatard Amino Hasson Stugats the amino acid.

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Amin Elhassan]

I know about that. And I know about something else. You know, we have that segment that we ended with Dan talking about the Thunder, and Dan was like, whoa, you don't have interesting stories.

[Dan LeBatard]

I think Dan's way off base on that.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, I figured it out. I figured out why the Oklahoma City Thunder are not a media darling. Right? Why so many pundits complain about them being boring and all that and not having enough. Right.

[Roy]

Free throw merchant for sga.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm going tell you exactly why. Because the Oklahoma City Thunder have made lives miserable and jobs way more difficult for in reverse order. You know what? Can we do a top five? Give me some fanfare. I'm gonna give you the top five people that the Oklahoma City Thunder have made their jobs more miserable for. Right? Number five, opposing GMs.

Do you know how hard it is to try to concoct a deal that is going to significantly improve your chances against this machine? I mean, it's not like the usual, hey, can we get an extra score here? Hey, we need some depth. It's like, oh, my God, I need to go get Giannis. My. My job's a lot harder.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, and it probably also makes your job a lot harder. Where if You're a Western Conference team and you want to trade for Giannis. Giannis probably go, look, I'd be like, nah, I'm good in the East.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Roy]

Plus your owners, they're like, hey, why don't you do what he does? And you're like, I can't do that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, why don't we just have a 17 guys that all defend and shoot threes?

[Mike Ryan]

Number four. Joe, come on.

[Roy]

I mean, seriously, I can't.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay?

[Amin Elhassan]

I can't do that.

[Mike Ryan]

Isaiah. Joe, why can we do.

[Roy]

Is that ice cream?

[Amin Elhassan]

Kal.

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Amin Elhassan]

Number four, opposing coaches.

We've got to come up with something that's going to stop the. That we're. We got to come up with a scheme that's going to address that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is it a pain in the ass for the video guys, or is their job a pain in the ass no matter what?

[Amin Elhassan]

Number three, the video guys.

Coaches, they just get to sit there and watch what's been curated. Someone had to sit there and do the curating. What do you leave in? What do you. What do you. What do you take out? What do you get yelled about for leaving in? What do you get yelled about for? They get taken out. Oh, it's. I feel bad for the video guys. Number two, the players.

As I said earlier, it looks like AU basketball, where you're playing one team that has all D1 commits and one team that's, like, organized by their church, except every NBA player was on the good team. They were always on the good side of this.

[Roy]

They were the best player on that good team.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right? And so this is such a foreign feeling. It's like, oh, I remember seeing this, but from the other side. And now it's happening to me, but instead it's happening on national TV with 20,000 people in the arena. That's tough. Number one, the media.

[Mike Ryan]

I can already tell by the last segment.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hard to get a direct flight into Oklahoma City.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, not even that.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll tell you what, I didn't even consider that part. Yeah, that part stinks.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, it does stink.

[Dan LeBatard]

Gotta go through Houston.

[Mike Ryan]

And the hotel is haunted.

[Dan LeBatard]

Imagine doing make me say that. Hotel. Make me.

[Amin Elhassan]

Dude, already did it.

[Roy]

Best episode of ptfo, by the way.

[Amin Elhassan]

Won an award for it.

[Dan LeBatard]

I would never stay there.

[Roy]

What are you, a scaredy cat, sucker?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yo, you can call me.

[Roy]

Are you a scaredy cat?

[Dan LeBatard]

I would never stay there.

[Roy]

Are you a scaredy?

[Dan LeBatard]

Why would I stay in a place that's haunted?

[Roy]

Yes or no.

[Dan LeBatard]

Versus a place that's not haunted? Are you a scaredy Cat doesn't have to be with a scaredy cat.

[Tony]

That guy's a scaredy cat.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why would I stay at a place that's haunted?

[Mike Ryan]

Meow.

[Tony]

It's a scaredy cat over there. I know a scaredy cat when I see one.

[Roy]

Big ass head, too.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yo, stop saying I got a big old head.

[Amin Elhassan]

The media.

Their jobs are way more miserable because the Oklahoma City Thunder do not afford them the shortcuts that make their lives and their jobs easier.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like what?

[Amin Elhassan]

Like if she, Gilgis Alexander was arrested for speeding, we get to talk about, is she Gilgeous Alexander, a distraction? I don't have to watch a single Thunder game in order to talk about things like that. If Chet Holmgren was like, I wish I had more shots. Oh, I don't need to watch another Thunder game. I could just say, is this going to be the thing that hurts them in the playoffs?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. They don't have any dudes who do anything that you can question?

[Amin Elhassan]

No, it's not even dudes you can question. It's. They don't give us any easy storylines to obscure the fact that I'm not watching your games. And when you talk about sports media pundits, especially if you're a general sports show, you only have enough bandwidth for a couple of things. You're not actually watching all these games. That's why I'm like, people are. Oh, I can't believe Steven Ernest said. I'm like, do you really think he watched every baseball game, then every NBA game, then every football game and came in here? I was like, okay, I have notes on all of them. No, you pick and choose what you got and what you can't. I'll be honest with you. I haven't watched a hockey game in about four years.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, man, I haven't.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's not a knock on hockey. It's just to say that when I talk about hockey, I'm bullshitting.

[Dan LeBatard]

You didn't watch game 7 of the 24 cup final?

[Amin Elhassan]

I was asleep. What?

[Roy]

How about the Utah Mammoths?

[Mike Ryan]

We're in a Black Panther's chat.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, man, I love that jacket, though. And I love that chat. But my point is what the Thunder don't do. So, like, let's take the Panthers, right? Oh, I got the whole. They got the guy from Boston that everybody hates. Do you hate him now? Do you love him now?

[Mike Ryan]

What's his name?

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, he's the him I know. Bo Bichette, right?

[Mike Ryan]

No, he plays baseball.

[Tony]

I mean, totally. Right here, though, like the. There's nothing that People in sports media love more than not having to watch sports, and that's why they love the college football playoffs.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stay up late.

[Chris Cote]

That's why.

[Tony]

It's why the College Football Playoff is so likable amongst media types.

[Mike Ryan]

Why?

[Tony]

Because all you really have to do is sort of tangentially pay attention to what the narratives are that are established week to week, then look at the results on a box score the week before you. You don't have to watch a single college football game and you could have a very strong opinion. Just look at me. I didn't watch a BYU or a James Madison game all year until BYU beat ucf.

[Amin Elhassan]

Mike, you give passionate, detailed, exquisitely crafted responses all season long about Notre Dame versus Miami. But honestly, your strongest argument, which is the head to head. You could have not watched a single second true of Notre Dame football and came up with that.

[Mike Ryan]

It was very clear that a lot of people were not watching a single second from the analysis because, well, I mean, Notre Dame's playing the better football right now. We don't get anything for the last month of football that we played. ESPN daytime program is programming is especially bad when it comes to college football. I was watching a Stephen a video in which he had no idea Virginia could have been an automatic qualifier for by winning the ACC championship. They just, they. That's why the SEC narrative is so annoying, because they established it 20 years ago and they don't have to go back from that when the game has changed. If you watch the games, you know how bad the quarterback play is inside the SEC conference. You know that it is basically a shell in terms of dominance. Look at the Lions. They're telling you the story.

[Amin Elhassan]

So basically what the Thunder do is they remove the easiest crutch in the game, which is. I can talk about all of these things. It's gonna make me sound knowledgeable and up to date on it without ever having to watch any of their games or watch enough of their games. I was, I was watching that game last night and my buddy texted me, like, how are you still watching this game? I said, well, for one, it's the only game on.

[Mike Ryan]

I got nothing else.

[Amin Elhassan]

Got nothing else. But for two, it's like, call me crazy, their blowouts are more fun than everybody else's blowouts. I watch blowout games. Like, this is just bad basketball. These guys. Do you see they were up like 50 and Caruso is still trying to like sneak steals in the, in the front, in the back court and all that.

[Tony]

Do you think some of the energy that they play with is because they know eventually they're going to have to move on from some guys. So the guys who were like, 11th, 12th, and 13th on the roster are like, all right, but if I play my ass off, even when we're up 50, I'm going to be that next guy, because this is going to be a dynasty for however many years. So if I can just be the sixth, seventh, eighth guy on this team, I'll eventually get paid by somebody else. It's almost like when major league teams have incredible minor league systems, and it's like certain guys come up and they know they're not even really coming up to be a part of that future of that major league team. They're just going to get shipped out somewhere else. Also, like, that effort that you see from this team, it's crazy. You don't see anything like that in. In basketball anywhere else.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, I mean, look like AJ Mitchell is a great example of that. Last year, Big barely sniffed the court, and now that dude's balling. Balling out of control. Last night, this dude, I'm not ashamed to say it, didn't know this dude. I'm like, who's Young? They're like, young Blood with the shot. I'm like, who is Young Blood? Like, why they call him Young Blood?

[Roy]

Like, hey, Young Blood Uncs on the broadcast.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, Young Blood, go. I'm like, okay, so he's a young guy. I'm like, oh, no, his name is Young Blood. Oh, but. But the. The reality is, Jeremy, it's because they have a culture that we play hard every single possession.

[Tony]

I know about that culture.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, some people don't.

[Tony]

Well, I mean, look at the way we break down the Miami Heat gear. Talk about not watching sports.

[Mike Ryan]

Sure, but we've been right for three years.

[Tony]

Have you watched other game?

[Mike Ryan]

Have I been wrong?

[Amin Elhassan]

Hold on, hold on. There's some people in on that roster who don't know about that culture.

[Tony]

Well, that's right.

[Amin Elhassan]

And that's why Khalil, no, I was going to set you up. That's why he says, can I play Coach Kalel?

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Amin Elhassan]

So they gotta hit him with that.

[Roy]

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[Amin Elhassan]

I swear.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Don Libertard I've never stepped foot on that campus.

[Amin Elhassan]

I.

[Dan LeBatard]

If you told me right now your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just, just take a picture.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugats.

[Dan LeBatard]

I would die. I don't know where it is. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stug.

Week 15 of the NFL begins tonight.

[Amin Elhassan]

You got things I don't watch.

[Dan LeBatard]

Falcons.

[Roy]

Hey, Thursday night football.

[Mike Ryan]

Buccaneers, Creamsicles.

[Dan LeBatard]

Now we're not doing big game and not big game right now. So no spoilers there.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm going to just say this right now. I do watch NFL football. You know what I don't watch? I will refuse, refuse to watch Thursday night Football.

[Roy]

Not some good games as of recent games.

[Mike Ryan]

I understand having that as like a fundamental principle over the last decade plus, but the games on Thursday night, Amazon's done a good job with their league partnership to make sure these games are good. Now maybe Falcons, Buccaneers does not tickle your fancy, but it is a pretty big game for the Tampa Bay.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay, all right, you got me. I'll watch.

[Tony]

I hate that, though. I miss when it was Blake Bortles against Marcus Mariota and terrible uniforms when it was the Jags and the Titans. Like that's what Thursday Night Football should be.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, so week 15 gets going tonight, which means we bring out the Dentek Bucket.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't think I could do this.

[Mike Ryan]

Why don't you want to do it?

[Amin Elhassan]

Because I'm gonna start gagging and coughing all over. This is not mine.

[Mike Ryan]

The bucket is presented by Dentek ultimate fantasy football punishment. The next big fantasy football punishment is almost here. Watch for the [e-mail]. i got the Washington commanders. So they're at the Giants. Jaden Daniels is not playing. The Giants are favored by two and a half points.

[Tony]

Yeah, I'm here.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're keep putting it back.

[Mike Ryan]

I know I said something about Marcus Merrill, but I don't know the Rams. That has to be good, right?

[Dan LeBatard]

Rams are hosting the Lions.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, shit.

[Dan LeBatard]

The Rams are a six and a half point favorite.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'll take it.

[Roy]

Big game.

[Mike Ryan]

Two quarterbacks. Like a trench.

[Roy]

Double revenge game.

[Mike Ryan]

Double revenge game.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Double revenge game.

[Mike Ryan]

There we go. I've had a good year at the Bucket, and every time I say that, I end up losing. Cincinnati, Cincinnati, missing Baltimore.

[Dan LeBatard]

There are two and a half bustling games.

[Amin Elhassan]

Home dog.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why are they a dog?

[Mike Ryan]

Man, this one's tough.

[Amin Elhassan]

I like the wrangles. I would keep that.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, those wrangles are good.

[Dan LeBatard]

The Ravens really suck.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow, I regret that.

[Roy]

Live home dog.

[Amin Elhassan]

The G man.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, slight upgrade.

[Amin Elhassan]

Jesus Christ.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if that's an upgrade.

[Roy]

I'd rather have Joe Burrow.

[Mike Ryan]

Let's see here.

[Amin Elhassan]

Got a dart in your neck? What?

[Dan LeBatard]

The Las Vegas Raider.

[Amin Elhassan]

And put it back.

[Dan LeBatard]

You don't even want to see that. They're at the Eagles and they're an 11 and a half point dog.

[Mike Ryan]

Right. Game.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

One o' clock start.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

They need to take a look at.

[Roy]

That game from a Eagles are sliding FBI perspective. Perspective from Pete Carroll kicking a field.

[Mike Ryan]

Goal to the black door. It does seem like a pretty hopeless game for them.

[Amin Elhassan]

Damn.

[Roy]

Talk about hopeless. I got the Browns.

[Mike Ryan]

Hey, Shador at the Bears. Negative 20 degrees.

[Dan LeBatard]

Good for you.

[Roy]

Oh, good for me, you scaredy cat.

[Dan LeBatard]

Backs against the wall.

[Mike Ryan]

I think I would have rather had the Bengals. Yeah, me too. I got the.

Farm bucket. All right, so zero dollars an automatic. Dust. Nope.

[Dan LeBatard]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

No. What?

[Roy]

You can't put that.

[Mike Ryan]

You can't put the flat bucket back. You can't put the flat bucket back.

[Dan LeBatard]

You have to take a photo from it.

[Amin Elhassan]

You're a thousand years.

[Dan LeBatard]

You don't know that.

[Mike Ryan]

That's never been a rule.

[Amin Elhassan]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

What are you talking about?

[Roy]

Are you high?

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Amin Elhassan]

You can't triple step a double step. You can't triple step a double step.

[Dan LeBatard]

Worst day at work.

[Mike Ryan]

Also, I'll just give an update while everybody's walking into the other room.

[Dan LeBatard]

So I owe one punishment.

[Mike Ryan]

Roy is now gonna owe a punishment. Yeah. Tony owes three punishments.

[Roy]

What?

[Mike Ryan]

Juju owes a punishment.

[Dan LeBatard]

Chris owes four punishments. Dan. Ow's a punishment? Chris shows four punishments.

[Amin Elhassan]

Zaslow is a punishment.

[Dan LeBatard]

And that's it.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, See you used to be able to put that one back, but someone got rid of the automatic black helmet of death, so now that one's basically it. Did anyone tell anyone to stop that? Hey, look, you actually might have an argument.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're rummaging. How do you. Who cares if you're new, There are.

[Mike Ryan]

No arguments to be had.

[Amin Elhassan]

You done this has them. World ticket up of the well, then.

[Mike Ryan]

You can foul me. How about that? All right.

[Amin Elhassan]

Who you got?

[Mike Ryan]

Meme foul.

[Amin Elhassan]

You turn on your Steelers Monday night.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, Steelers gets a Dolphin army.

[Mike Ryan]

Dolphins 3 1/2 point favorite.

[Dan LeBatard]

You should keep it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Dolphins on the heater.

[Roy]

Amin has these visions.

[Dan LeBatard]

Good for you.

[Mike Ryan]

No blue. You got buffalo circles the wagons.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, my God.

[Tony]

Green is indeed 40 this season.

[Mike Ryan]

Minus one and a half points favorite against Drake May.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, man.

[Mike Ryan]

In Foxborough.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's an L. Man.

[Mike Ryan]

I think you should have kept the. You should have kept the Steelers.

[Amin Elhassan]

Huh?

[Mike Ryan]

Dominique says they're gonna win the afc.

[Dan LeBatard]

I have the Cowboys. They are hosting Minnesota on Sunday night football.

[Mike Ryan]

Minnesota.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, I'm gonna keep that.

There we go. Thanks again to dentek.

[Mike Ryan]

All right.

[Dan LeBatard]

There we have it. I feel good about my brother.

[Mike Ryan]

Check yourself.

[Guest]

Hang on.

[Dan LeBatard]

Bullshit, man.

[Mike Ryan]

You want to swap this? Maybe Roy has an argument. But you know what? Mob mentality rules. Sorry, Roy. You're stuck with that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mike, can you explain something to me?

[Mike Ryan]

The battle court rules. Yes. Both serves must be between the four and seven. You're allowed one fault. Those are the battle court rules. If your second serve does not land between the four and seven, that's points to the other team. There are three sets in a match. First team to six points in a given set wins that set.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you. Do you wager on the clones?

[Mike Ryan]

Whoa, whoa.

[Roy]

What are you doing?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yo, what are you doing?

[Roy]

He's an owner.

[Amin Elhassan]

He's an owner.

[Roy]

You have to.

[Mike Ryan]

I respect that.

[Roy]

You don't have to answer that.

[Mike Ryan]

I respect the fact that I'm an owner. Although the league does encourage it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, see, that's the point.

[Mike Ryan]

Draftkings a proud partner of battlecore.

[Dan LeBatard]

How does that work? Because, you know, if you were an owner in the NFL, like if Jerry Jones was betting on the Cowboys, that would be very frowned upon.

[Mike Ryan]

It would be.

[Dan LeBatard]

But this is high lie. This is like you're allowed to do that?

[Mike Ryan]

I technically am, but I choose not to sometimes, or at least as far as the listener knows.

[Dan LeBatard]

Has anyone ever accused you of like when you know the clones when you're about to serve as a ball says it ain't like. Is it you Know, I don't do.

[Mike Ryan]

Any of that funny business. You know what that is? As it's fine business. That's the bullshit. And I don't do the bullshit.

[Roy]

Suck a shit.

[Dan LeBatard]

Because sometimes ball says an 8. Like I know how are you going.

[Mike Ryan]

To be locked in. This is a game that you can watch on YouTube, the ESPN app.

[Dan LeBatard]

Is that right? Yes, I'm on ESPN. Well, I'm on ESPN tonight and tomorrow night. But I'm on tomorrow night.

[Mike Ryan]

Open up your ESPN app. Live sports going on right now. You'll see that iconic cyclone logo against a little Tasmanian devil holding a cesta. You click on that. First Toss is at 7pm The Devil's going for their first ever Battlecore championship. We're going for our second. We were the first ever battlecore champion.

[Dan LeBatard]

Should I mention it on ESPN while watching it?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. It's corporate synergy. I need your support.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, maybe I will. All right, I got you.

[Mike Ryan]

I need your support.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, I can't go. So I got you.

[Mike Ryan]

Tomorrow. I want a championship celebration so bad. I need your support.

[Amin Elhassan]

Will we have a parade?

[Tony]

Yeah, I was just going to ask the same thing. I would love to have a parade.

[Mike Ryan]

There will certainly be a celebration. A genuine, real celebration. I'm going to drink out of that cup if we win it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Speaking of parades, is Inter Miami doing a parade?

[Mike Ryan]

Right? Shouldn't they?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I don't know that they should.

[Mike Ryan]

Because you don't think anybody's going to show up to a parade. Like, forget Interim Miami. There is a messy parade outside, see?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, where would they do it?

[Amin Elhassan]

No, no, that's not the question. You said, will people show up to a messy parade? Yes, they will. Will Messi show up to a messy parade?

[Mike Ryan]

That's the question. That's probably the thing.

[Dan LeBatard]

But the parade doesn't.

[Tony]

It would get pretty messy.

[Dan LeBatard]

But the parade would have to be in Miami. They don't play in Miami.

[Mike Ryan]

So they will next year, right?

[Amin Elhassan]

Would the parade be by the airport.

[Mike Ryan]

The construction zone around, coming along?

[Guest]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Why haven't we heard if there's going to be a parade?

[Amin Elhassan]

Terminal D, right down the Conc.

[Mike Ryan]

Doral.

[Amin Elhassan]

That way people can fly out immediately afterwards.

[Mike Ryan]

Talk about a place would be slammed. You do it in downtown Doral. Overrun the city place.

[Amin Elhassan]

Can we do it in Kendall?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, yeah.

[Roy]

By ksp.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, yeah, by ksp. Beckham went to KSP one time and it was a circus.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm going to tell you what. We do that this. Listen to me. Inter Miami, you do that parade down Kendall and it Ends at the Flanagans there.

[Roy]

Right. Right next to ksp.

[Mike Ryan]

I will category.

[Amin Elhassan]

I will zipline my way down right from the top of the.

[Dan LeBatard]

Elsa, can you explain something to me? So, Mike. Nope. I. I understand Kendall. Even though you understand Kendall? Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't think you do.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dude, I'm older than you. I understand Kendall much better than you do.

[Chris Cote]

Anyway.

[Dan LeBatard]

Anyway. Anyway.

[Amin Elhassan]

Exactly.

[Dan LeBatard]

So Mike was telling me this morning before the show started about, you know, Matthew Tkachuk and his brother Brady Tkachuk. They. They do a podcast now which is making some headlines, by the way.

[Amin Elhassan]

What's it called? Brothers?

[Dan LeBatard]

The Chucks. Oh, I don't know. I don't know what it's called. Wingman.

[Amin Elhassan]

Real or fake?

[Dan LeBatard]

It's called Wingman. But Mike, you're.

[Amin Elhassan]

Mike.

[Dan LeBatard]

What were you telling me about this morning? You were asking me if I know about popping them Zins. That's. That's the most recent viral clip from the wingman pod with Mike with Matthew and Brady Tkachuk.

[Mike Ryan]

So you don't know about nicotine?

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't know what that means.

[Mike Ryan]

Nicotine pouches. It gives you the buzz of a cigarette without inhaling the cigarette smoke.

[Tony]

This an ad?

[Amin Elhassan]

Hold on. Is anyone here surprised that Zaz doesn't know about Zins? Doesn't he look like a Zinn like demographic?

[Roy]

I don't think so.

[Mike Ryan]

Let me tell you, he's a guy that gets a tummy ache by him proud sponsor. So, okay, Zins, you can get a little rush. It's like basically like a little nicotine jolt gives you. If you do too much, you can get the Zin spins. Don't get the Zinn spins. But Matthew Chuck explained. Now, hockey players happen to know. You don't have to do the image.

[Dan LeBatard]

They.

[Mike Ryan]

They are. They are big nicotine pouch fans, even.

[Dan LeBatard]

Though they don't smoke cigs.

[Mike Ryan]

Dude, I heard an insane story in Tahoe. There was a caddy. I'm not gonna reveal which player, but he had the.

[Dan LeBatard]

What did he rhyme with?

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not doing that. But there was this dude brought stuff over from Sweden that was basically the. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

What does her stuff rhyme with?

[Mike Ryan]

Sweet. Sweden is a. Essentially, I think eliminated smoking because of how potent their pouches are over there.

[Amin Elhassan]

Really?

[Mike Ryan]

And I overheard a story about how certain hockey players in the NHL put these pouches in between their toes. There is a huge Zyn community in the NHL and Matthew Tkachuk, who once did give me a Zin at a Miami Hurricanes tailgate. True story. You're not going to turn down a Zinn from Matthew Kacha.

[Amin Elhassan]

From between his toes?

[Mike Ryan]

No, not from between his toes.

[Roy]

No, a fresh one out the pack.

[Dan LeBatard]

And how do you take a Zinn?

[Mike Ryan]

Put it in. You know, sound like a narc right now. I don't like the way you're doing this, sucker.

[Roy]

What are you. Yeah, for real.

[Mike Ryan]

Upper decky. Come on, what are you doing?

[Roy]

You never heard of a Zin before? You never seen him?

[Amin Elhassan]

No.

[Mike Ryan]

You're not gonna. If Matthew Tkachuk offers you a Zinn, you're not gonna say no. So Matthew Tkachuk is talking about Zinning during a game, and he gave this story on wingmen.

[Guest]

I've only done this like a few times in my career, but say I get like a 10 minute. Did this in the finals against Vegas. Did it like a few years ago. I like chirping the ref or somebody. I get a 10. Whatever the case is, I've matured. Don't worry, I'll always put a couple in my pants and break into the box. Just get me through the 10 minutes. I know you've done the exact same too.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, man, that's all time.

[Guest]

I've actually got a great story about. About the Zen thing last year. We're playing Pittsburgh. I'm playing like, probably been playing terrible for a few games, and I get a 10 minute. It was like a minute left in the second, so I'm like. I have to sit in the box for nine minutes, start of the third. So I bring over a few zeds. And this is like my first time.

[Mike Ryan]

Doing it in a while.

[Guest]

And I actually caugh, like a nice hum from it. Like a dead serious, like a nice one. I come out of the box like, whoa. And then we get a power play right out. I'm like, I'm staying for the two minutes on this one on the bench. And I go out there. I stayed for the first minute. My unit changes. I stay out there. I'm off the side. I'm like, I suck. Swaggy toe drag, shoots it, misses the net by like 5ft. It's off my inside of the knee and goes in for attacking. The Boquist brothers came because that's why I bummed the Zen off of. They thought it was the greatest. They're like, that is the luck that we need. They're like, there's no way.

[Dan LeBatard]

What a guy. Our entire franchise turned around because of him.

[Mike Ryan]

A slump bustings in.

[Amin Elhassan]

So what. What does putting it between the toes do?

[Mike Ryan]

Your pores absorb it there are there. This was. I was shocked to Hear that story?

[Tony]

It's like how Lennon used to do heroin between his toes.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, don't talk about.

[Amin Elhassan]

They're injecting that.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Yeah, but it's more potent there.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. This gets absorbed by the pores between your toes. Hockey pores. Have you ever smelled a Hockey State skate, Roy?

[Guest]

You have? It's not.

[Mike Ryan]

It's not. It's not good. Very humid.

[Tony]

It's one of the worst smells in sports. It may be the worst smell.

[Mike Ryan]

A lot of sweating.

[Amin Elhassan]

So in our arena, when I used to wear the sun.

[Dan LeBatard]

Have you ever been in a hockey dressing room post game?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, because in our arena in Phoenix, we used to have the. Our minor league hockey team was the Roadrunners and used to play in there. And so their locker room was like one of the locker rooms, and sometimes you got to go in there to get some stuff, and it's.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's the most foul smell. I like it.

[Tony]

It.

[Amin Elhassan]

I can't say what it smells like. It's. Yeah, it's bad.

[Roy]

Family show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, Family show. Exactly.

[Dan LeBatard]

I gave you guys an update here. Most recent update on what's going on with Shroom Moore. Yeah. Dan Wetzel tweeted this out. The Washtenaw County Prosecutor's office tells ESPN no decision on charging Sean Moore is expected today. The former mission coach remains in custody. Quote, the matter involving Mr. Moore remains under active investigation by law enforcement. As a result, we do not expect charging decisions or an arraignment today. Mr. Moore remains in custody at the Washtenaw County Jail.

[Amin Elhassan]

So in the movies, this is the part where you're in the interrogation room, you know, and they're talking all this stuff. Talking like, you're gonna charge me, copper, Then let me go.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. This is a detainment.

[Dan LeBatard]

This would mean, like, it's a for his own good kind of detainment.

[Mike Ryan]

You could read between that line. Certainly. I know.

[Dan LeBatard]

Otherwise, how could they keep. Keep them if they have the rest of them?

[Mike Ryan]

There's a lot of Internet rumor and innuendo. There is an investigation pending. I don't know exactly the rules, so I don't want to get out of. Ahead of my skates here on. On how long they can hold them. I'm with you, Amin as a fellow cinephile. Hey, are you gonna charge me with anything here?

[Amin Elhassan]

Am I under arrest?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. I think you can deduce several theories as to why he is in custody right now and not yet presently charged as an investigation is still ongoing.

[Amin Elhassan]

What's your favorite derogatory, kind of sarcastic term to Call a cop. I think Kojak might be mine. Call a guy. Kojak.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't like this game. It's a dangerous game.

[Amin Elhassan]

Why?

[Mike Ryan]

I bought the blue.

Yeah, that's right.

[Dan LeBatard]

So I don't know if you saw this or. Or if you heard me talk about this last week. I mean, I didn't, but I felt a little bit better when I saw this. And I'm clearly not the only one who's experienced something like this. So I sent Mike Ryan this tweet yesterday from. From this senator. All right? This senator tweet.

[Amin Elhassan]

Ottawa senator.

[Dan LeBatard]

This guy is called Freddy Kajak. This guy is called Ruben Gallego. All right?

[Amin Elhassan]

From. From Arizona.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's my guy.

[Dan LeBatard]

So funny. Quintessential.

[Roy]

Say the last name.

[Tony]

You're Gallego.

[Dan LeBatard]

Gallego.

[Mike Ryan]

Raddock. Bonk was right there for you, Roy. Yes.

[Dan LeBatard]

So you like him? That's your boy, then.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, I live in Arizona.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, well, Ron Tugnut. Top shelf name.

[Dan LeBatard]

So last week, I. I went to buy a plane ticket on JetBlue, and I was. You know, I saw the one price. It was a really good price, and so then I put in for two people, and it was a huge price.

[Amin Elhassan]

I just want to be clear. Was it a plane ticket where you get on a plane?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes.

[Amin Elhassan]

You get on a bus?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. I'm never going to let that happen again. All right? And by the way, I expose that situation. Everybody's on to American Airlines now because of that. You're welcome. Nonetheless. So the price was, like, huge for two people. So I'm like, okay, let me get out of this. I'm gonna buy them one at a time. Next. The price for one, so much better. I'll just buy each of them separately. So I buy the one for myself, and then I go to buy the one for my wife, and it's that huge price. Like, whoa, what just happened here? So right now, I'm the only one who's coming home from Vegas on that trip. I don't have the ticket for my wife. And so this senator, he tweeted out. You ever noticed the price of a flight suddenly jump right after you search it twice? Or how your grocery app mysteriously charges you more than your neighbor for the same produce? That's not just bad luck. It's surveillance pricing. Today I introduced a bill to make it illegal. No company should be able to use your personal data to charge you more. I'm like, I think this is what happened to me.

[Mike Ryan]

It is.

[Dan LeBatard]

And then Mike said that that happened to him, too.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, Trying to get to college station. Had plans for a trip. Had. Okay, this. I'm gonna have an early flight back. Let me spring for the first class tickets here. Something about my travel plans change. Try to get an earlier flight, go back. No more first class. That's now the main cabin price.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, man.

[Mike Ryan]

Matter of seconds. I literally toggled back.

[Roy]

You guys want me to put you on game? Yeah, It's a little something I like to call vpn. So you put in a vpn, you get to be in a certain place. You can pick any place you really want. Right. And you're. Oh, I'm in New York. I'm in Houston. I'm in here, I'm in Bangladesh. It doesn't really matter where I am, but I can search certain things, get the, you know, not have the data be sent back that, oh, this exact IP address is looking for this certain thing three or four or five different times. If you're looking for tickets, if you're looking for hotels, rental cars, whatever is that you get dynamic priced out of little vpn.

[Dan LeBatard]

Does that VPN also help me get access to, like, the good sites? Yeah, that you can't get any more.

[Roy]

Ask me.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, you know. You know about them good sites, right?

[Amin Elhassan]

Man, I found a new. I'm not gonna talk. I found a site that's a game changer.

[Roy]

You have a game changer?

[Amin Elhassan]

A game. If you like to read. I like to read.

[Mike Ryan]

I like to talk about.

[Amin Elhassan]

I like, well, news. Like news reporting, especially sports.

[Mike Ryan]

You got a different kink, my friend. Let me hear it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, I mean, I don't know if I should be talking about it, man. I don't know if I should.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I need to hear it now.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't know if I should be talking about it.

[Roy]

Are you talking about the good sites?

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm talking. Yeah, I'm. No, no, the other sides.

[Roy]

No, he's talking about the good sites.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know about them good sites.

[Amin Elhassan]

Look, hey, let me tell you something right now.

[Roy]

You said you had a game changer.

[Amin Elhassan]

I got a game changer for that one, too. Not a vpn. I have an actual site that for whatever reason has circumvented the Florida laws.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ooh, yeah, you'll give me an eye off air.

[Amin Elhassan]

Can I do it on air?

[Roy]

I don't know.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't know. Right? No, it's your.

[Roy]

It's your thing.

[Mike Ryan]

I have to bleep this.

[Amin Elhassan]

I worry about if I put it.

[Mike Ryan]

Out there, if you get caught, if.

[Amin Elhassan]

You'Re the guy I'm not even gonna get.

[Mike Ryan]

No, they get caught.

[Amin Elhassan]

They get caught because of you. I remember when Clear. Nobody knew about clear. Dog. I was doing cartwheels through the airport when nobody knew about clear. Because back in the day, this is how I know if you were a day one clear. Like, I was back in the day when you went through Clear. They wouldn't just go, you know, cut you in line to verify. They would then escort you walking to.

[Roy]

The front of the tsa.

[Mike Ryan]

Agent of the tsa.

[Amin Elhassan]

One of the conveyor belt. Everybody else like, why don't you guys? Because I paid for it. That's why. They would land you right there.

[Roy]

Like, is that guy famous? What is he doing?

[Amin Elhassan]

Exactly. And then you walk right through, and.

[Roy]

I think that's Amino Hassan.

[Amin Elhassan]

And then at some point, I think it might have been my fault, but I don't know. It's clear. It's really great. And next thing I knew, it's like, no, all we do is cut you in the line right here, which, if you have priority, like, at an American Airlines hub, you already have a line that's shorter than the other one. So the clear doesn't really do you any favors. I'm not gonna make the same mistake twice. I will not say the name of the site.

[Mike Ryan]

Just to be clear. You're talking about porn, right?

[Amin Elhassan]

Man, this show really needs a female voice.