Hour 2: The Wine Burp (feat. Jessica Smetana)

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Hour 2: The Wine Burp (feat. Jessica Smetana)
Date: January 7, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Host(s): Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Chris Cody, Jessica Smetana, Greg Cody, Jeremy, Zaz

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Episode Overview

This episode delivers the show’s signature blend of irreverent sports discussion, cultural commentary, and playful banter. With Jessica Smetana returning to the show, the crew dives deep into NFL playoff drama—centered on Mike Tomlin, John Harbaugh, and coaching legacies—then winds through college football’s postseason quirks, the shifting playoff landscape, transfer portal chaos, and a winding conversation about LeBron James’ aging greatness and its historical context. Laced throughout are the show’s trademark tangents, jokes, and intergenerational debates, creating a lively, engaging hour.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Mike Tomlin, the Steelers, and the Playoff Coaching Carousel

• Steelers’ Playoff Appearance & Tomlin’s Legacy

  • The show opens with Chris Cody celebrating the Steelers’ playoff berth following a narrow Ravens loss and a coaching change.
  • Dan questions how razor-thin margins determine job security:

    “You guys do understand how silly it is to fire one coach and not the other because somebody missed a 44 yard (field goal)?” (01:47)

  • They discuss Tomlin’s improbable run of winning seasons, often with subpar QBs, and fans’ frustration at lack of playoff success despite overachieving.

    “The point of a football season, to win nine or ten games and then lose in the first round to the Bills and get stomped...I don’t think that’s people being bored. I think that’s people...the standard is the standard, Dan.” (08:16, Chris Cody)

  • Jessica calls out the absurdity of genuinely considering firing Tomlin or Harbaugh, labelling both as Hall of Fame coaches. (04:52)

• Historical List of Coaches Fired After Losing to Tomlin

  • Chris reads an amusing list, with Dan observing most are Browns coaches, and Harbaugh being the "best coach" on the list. (02:51-03:51)

• The QB Carousel Under Tomlin

  • Discussion of Tomlin’s record with a mishmash of QBs:

    “The fact that he has had winning seasons with that is an absolute overachievement. That is unimpeachable. And it’s just Steeler fans being bored with what they call mediocrity when it’s not mediocrity.” (07:58, Dan)

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2. College Football Playoff Schedule & Two-Loss Champions

• Frustration with College Football’s Off-Season Calendar

  • The hosts lament the awkward, prolonged schedule with the title game set far after New Year’s:

    “It’s absolutely bonkers...The portal stuff is happening, all these teams are like, setting up their 2026 rosters. We still have three more college football games left. It’s all stupid.” (16:41, Chris Cody)

• Debating the Two-loss National Champion

  • Jessica provokes:

    “The Miami Hurricanes are going to win the national championship. Tell me why I’m wrong.” (18:02)

  • Chris argues the regular season’s meaning is diminished under expansion, now that teams with multiple losses can still win it all:

    “If this team’s still good, they can win a national championship...that, I guess, is an argument for expanding the playoff...” (20:39)

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3. Transfer Portal Villains and NIL Era Chaos

• Who’s to Blame?
  • Dan asks, “Who are the transfer portal villains beyond the agents?” (22:12)
  • Chris singles out Lane Kiffin for abandoning teams still in contention, and highlights the transactional chaos pervading college sports, with programs buying coaches and QBs. (22:34-23:47)

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4. LeBron James and the Long Shadow of Greatness

• LeBron’s Enduring Dominance and Father-Son Dynamic

  • Segment explores LeBron's recent statement about tailoring his game as he ages, particularly around Luka Doncic, and how few NBA precedents exist.

    “I can’t believe he’s the oldest player in the league…your dad’s just dribbling the ball between his legs looking at you—you’re still not as good as me.” (32:33, Dan) “Has he said how much longer he’s going to play?” (34:51, Jessica)

  • Stats underline LeBron’s enduring output—38 & 8 at age 41. (36:36, Jeremy)
  • Jessica lauds LeBron’s willingness to “age gracefully” and accept an elder statesman’s role. (35:48)
  • Greg jokes about Bronny’s perspective: “LeBron still skun him one on one, right?” (34:00)

• Iconic Quote from LeBron (Clip Played):

  “Every back to back for the rest of the season is TBD. I am 41. I got the most minutes in NBA history. Streets true, bank it right now, okay? What are we talking about? …I came out, slapped the doctor in the ass.” (34:25-34:51, played LeBron sound)

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5. Quick Hits, Banter, and Memorable Tangents

• FCS Championship, Wine Burps, and Fake Drinks

  • Jessica passionately recounts an excruciating Illinois State FCS championship loss, including a blocked kick and her resulting wine burp—the hour's titular moment.

    “That was a wine burp. Thank you, Chris.” (11:12, Jessica)

• Social Commentary and Jokes

  • Banter about wine substitutes: “There are some accusations around here that that is not wine. That you are faking alcohol in the morning. That that is some sort of electrolyte drink.” (09:33, Dan)
  • Greg’s accidental telestrator pen drawing and “minor penalty, two minutes” crack (24:05, Chris Cody and Zaz) bring classic show chaos.

• Generational References (“Debbie Boone” Tangent)

  • A winding debate over whether any athlete has been overshadowed by a parent, leading to generational pop culture references—Debbie Boone, Pat Boone, and “You Light Up My Life.”

    “Debbie Boone had the biggest hit single of a quarter century…usurped her legendary father.” (39:02, Jessica)

• Notre Dame Basketball Comparison

  • Chris zings after an AI robot ball-kick video:

    “This is what it feels like to be a Notre Dame men’s basketball fan.” (35:36)

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Notable Quotes & Moments (with Timestamps)

• On the absurdity of coaching fates:
  Dan Le Batard (01:47):

  “You guys do understand how silly it is to fire one coach and not the other because somebody missed a 44 yard [field goal]?”

• Jessica’s stance on coaching hot seats:
  Jessica (04:52):

  “I think it’s patently ridiculous to even consider firing John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin. I think they’re both hall of Fame coaches.”

• LeBron aging and adjusting his game:
  Jessica (35:48):

  “So many, many superstar players don’t age gracefully on their field of play because their ego won’t let them. And here LeBron finally is sort of saying, I can be in an elder statesman role where I don’t have to be the best guy on the floor.”

• LeBron’s own words (via audio, played at 34:25):

  “Every back to back for the rest of the season is TBD. I am 41. I got the most minutes in NBA history. Streets true bank it right now.”

• Debbie Boone “education”:
  Jessica (39:02):

  “Debbie Boone had the biggest hit single of a quarter century...usurped her legendary father.”

• On football fans’ discontent:
  Dan Le Batard (07:58):

  “It’s just Steeler fans being bored with what they call mediocrity when it’s not mediocrity.”

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• Tomlin & Steelers Coaching Carousel: 00:29 – 09:33
• College Football Playoff Ridiculing: 16:25 – 21:35
• Transfer Portal Villainy: 22:12 – 23:47
• LeBron/Luka/Usage Rate Conversation: 28:17 – 36:49
• Debbie Boone Generational Reference Tangent: 37:04 – 40:20
• Jessica’s FCS Wine Burp and Football Recap: 10:08 – 12:21
• Notre Dame Basketball Fan Joke: 35:36
• Spectator Fan Banter, TeleStrator Gags: 24:04 – 25:03

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Summary

This hour encapsulates what makes the Le Batard Show beloved: whip-smart sports analysis tangled with meta-commentary on fandom, legacy, and the absurdity of modern sports culture; combined with unfiltered camaraderie, generational ribbing, playful irreverence, and a willingness to get delightfully sidetracked. From football’s razor-edge coaching decisions to LeBron’s unkillable reign, and from wine burps to tele-strator mishaps, the cast keeps the discussion lively, insightful, and unpredictable.

Jessica Smetana’s return added expert football insight and plenty of laughter, reminding the crew—and listeners—what makes this unpredictable podcast hour so much fun, even when the actual sports landscape makes little sense.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Good to see Jessica again. It's been a minute since we saw her. Do I sound bad? Did I startle you? What happened, Chris? Why did you react as if. As if you were surprised that we were beginning our show?

[Jessica]

It was quite a declaration, you know, from silence. It was like, good to see Jessica.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are you drinking some morning wine? What is that? Is that a mimosa? What are you doing? What is happening right now?

[Chris Cody]

Oh, my Steelers, Dan. My Steelers. The Steelers won the final NFL game of the season, Week 18, on a missed kick from the Ravens, and then they fired their coach. And guess who's in the playoffs again? Mike Tomlin and the Steelers.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan, I wanted to ask the group here and Jessica, if he makes that field goal, are we having the same conversation right now about Tomlin instead of Harbaugh? Is it the same thing that we'd be doing right now? Do you think he survives?

[Chris Cody]

Certainly, yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you think Pittsburgh would have been let go if that feel if a 44 yard field goal goes in, you think Tomlin would have been let go?

[Chris Cody]

I don't know if he is let go or if he's like, I'm leaving. But that was what some of the reporting led me to believe up until that game. I don't. And again, I don't know the truth of it. We talked about this on Mystery Crate a few weeks ago because the last, like three years, there's been reporting around the end of the regular season that this is it for Mike Tomlin and the Steelers, and then they make the playoffs and then they lose their first playoff game and then he signs an extension or whatever. So maybe he would have stuck around for another year or whatever. But it's kind of seemed like there was a lot of frustration bubbling at the end of this year when they lost to the Browns.

[Greg Cody]

And the answer is yes, Dan. That's the literal definition of a loser leaves town match, you guys.

[Dan Le Batard]

But you guys do understand how silly it is to fire one coach and not the other because somebody missed a 44 yard.

[Zaz]

Tomlin spoke to that you could see post game. He gave like, to the camera. He looked right at one of the cameras and gave like a shrug, like, that's how it works.

[Chris Cody]

I'm sorry, I might. My question is, let's say the Ravens make the playoff. They make the. They make the kick, they make the playoff. There's been all this reporting that Harbaugh lost the locker room and he wasn't getting along with Lamar Jackson. So I don't know how far they would have made it in the playoffs. Maybe they win a couple games. Maybe, you know, they lose in the first round. Do you think both of them in some, like, alternate reality, the kick goes in, but both coaches end up not coaching for their teams next year, too? Because that seemed like it also could have been a reality.

[Dan Le Batard]

I just find kind of amazing here that Mike Tomlin. I've said before, one of the most amazing stats to me in football is that the Steelers have only had really three coaches. But also amazing within that is that Tomlin always has winning seasons. And it's not just all Roethlisberger. Like, it's an assortment of mishmash nonsense that has. How many. How many coaches has Tomlin gotten fired with the last game?

[Chris Cody]

Dan, I saw this incredible list of coaches from Alex Co Zora on Twitter, who writes for I'm gonna like this. I think Steelers Depot or one of the. One of the Steeler sites. This was his list of coaches that have been fired after playing against Mike Tomlin. There are some names on this list that I haven't thought about in years. We'll start with Romeo Crinnell. Eric Mangini. I feel like we need some fanfare.

[Greg Cody]

Genius.

[Chris Cody]

Pat Shermer. Rob Chudzinski.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

[Jeremy]

Oh, that's a good one.

[Chris Cody]

Mike Petin.

[Greg Cody]

That's not a real Patton.

[Zaz]

I think it was.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Okay. That's all right. You're forgiven for forgiving him. All of these are gonna end up being Brown's coaches.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Hugh Jackson was the next one. Brian Billick. Marvin Lewis.

[Jessica]

Marvelous Marvin.

[Chris Cody]

And I think unequivocally, the best coach on this list, John Harbaugh.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can I just go back to the conversation we've been having in some form for 20, 20 years around here about coaching and over the last couple of hours, how do I quantify the idea, Jessica, that a man who has nothing but winning seasons on his resume over two decades would be close to being fired? What sense does that make?

[Chris Cody]

Because they haven't won a playoff game in so, so long, Dan. So, so long. That is the reason why.

[Dan Le Batard]

But they're not that good. Like, they've. They're always overachieving. They're not underachieving. They're overachieving. Like, I don't feel like you guys feel like that's Tomlin's fault. Does anyone listening to this feel like the reason the Steelers don't win playoff games is because Tomlin knows how to win more than he loses during the regular season? But forgets how to do that when he's playing teams that are better than his in the playoffs.

[Jessica]

No, I think it's patently ridiculous to even consider firing John Harbaugh or Mike Tomlin. I think they're both hall of Fame coaches.

[Greg Cody]

It's two completely different scenarios though. Like no one's going to argue that the Ravens and Harbaugh have not had the talent. And it's actually the exact opposite that you argue or I think we're arguing right now with the Steelers.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I think the Harbaugh thing is interesting because if you believe the reporting about him and Lamar Jackson and him in the locker room, then they made their choice. They want to stick with Lamar Jackson. I think that's probably a wise choice to make. They have lost some excruciating postseason games with a coach that everyone agrees is very good, but sometimes it's time. And when you have someone who's an MVP caliber quarterback that you make your choice with Tomlin, I think there's probably a fair bit of blame to share about why, why the Steelers haven't won a playoff game in like eight seasons or nine seasons, whatever it is now. But I do think like you have to give him credit because he has won a lot of games with Mitch Trubisky, Kenny Pickett, old Aaron Rodgers, I mean old, old. We all saw that first time he was going to scramble on Sunday night. He ended up having like a pretty nice scramble a few minutes later, I think on like a third down. But he was so slow down.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh my God. It's, it's shocking. It is shocking to me Even understanding that 40 is old for football but isn't actually that old. It's shocking to me to see what that Achilles injury to all of the athleticism that a four time MVP used.

[Zaz]

And yet he was able to leap for joy at the end of that game and that was the last, the lasting look for John Harbaugh.

[Chris Cody]

Great little, great little leap at the end. But yeah, Mike Thomas been able to win, have winning seasons with, without Lamar Jackson caliber quarterback. So I think you give him credit for that. But like there, if you have watched all of the games he's coached in the last few seasons, like yeah, there's times where you're like, oh my God, what is going. Like this is, I think the Browns game last week was a great example of that. You go from like the highs of beating the Lions in this crazy like end of game scenario with the OPI call and then the next week you just lay an Egg in a must win game. So you don't have to win to beat, you know, to go into the playoffs against the Ravens. And I think there's been a fair bit of that too, and questions about, you know, the, the offense and defensive coordinator and things like that. But I mean, at the end of the day, I think they, despite the frustrations, there's still an immense amount of satisfaction making the playoffs with this hodgepodge of, of quarterbacks. No pun intended. Can you name that list?

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you name them for me, Jeremy? All of the quarterbacks, because she mentioned Pickett and she mentioned a couple of others, but name the quarterbacks that he has still had winning seasons with over the last four years of quarterback play.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I mean, it's been. Before Aaron Rodgers, it was Russell Wilson and Justin Fields last year. Then it was Kenny Pickett, Mason Rudolph and Mitch Trubisky. It was Kenny Pickett and Mitch Trubisky the year before that. And then the years before that. You had the very tail end of Ben Roethlisberger before, Of course, that 2019 season. That. Just talking about where you had Mason Rudolph, Duck Hodges and Ben Roth.

[Dan Le Batard]

What do you want to do? Like, what can you do there? You can't do the fact that he has had winning seasons with that is an absolute overachievement. That is unimpeachable. And it's just Steeler fans being bored with what they call mediocrity when it's not mediocrity. Like, I, I read the point is.

[Chris Cody]

The point of like a football season to win nine or 10 games and then lose in the first round of the Bills and get stomped. I don't think so. Like, I think. I don't think that's people being bored. I think that's people. You know, Mike Tomlin says it himself. The standard is the standard, Dan. Like, the standard isn't to lose to the Bills in the first game.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but the standard was created by Bradshaw and, and Roethlisberger. It can't be upheld by Trubisky and Duck Hodges and, and this nonsense that you guys are saying over the last four years, like, that's just slop.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, but do you think he has a say in who his personnel is?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's just hard to get quarterbacks. Like. Yeah, I understand.

[Chris Cody]

I agree with you. I think. Yeah, I agree with that point.

[Dan Le Batard]

All of the, all quarterbacks in the playoffs, all of them first round picks, every last one of them. There's not, there's not a one in the playoffs who's not a first round pick. It's hard it you have to be bad to get quarterbacks. Like that's what you have to do. They're never bad.

[Chris Cody]

I my fear now that someone put this on my timeline yesterday. What if two ends up the quarterback of the Steelers next year?

[Greg Cody]

That'll be so bad.

[Jeremy]

You don't want that terrible.

[Jessica]

Are you floating that rumor to Mr. Ed?

[Chris Cody]

No, I'm saying I'm terrified of it. But yeah, bring back Duck Hodges about first round picks.

[Jessica]

Dan.

[Chris Cody]

The Steelers are now in the playoffs with a first round pick. Not Kenny Pickett who maybe shouldn't have been a first round pick, but with 40 year old, 42 year old Aaron Rodgers. So that's exciting.

[Dan Le Batard]

There are some accusations around here that that is not wine. That you are faking alcohol in the morning. That that is some sort of electrolyte drink.

[Zaz]

Pedialytes or something.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is that?

[Greg Cody]

That's Citrus Cooler.

[Dan Le Batard]

That does not look like is that. That is not a wine. What is that?

[Chris Cody]

It's a nice organic skin contact. You wouldn't understand.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wouldn't understand. You're right about that. Did you guys catch the little bit of football that we got? Was it on Tuesday night, Monday night, when we were all starved for a little football and then a surprise championship game made an appearance. Did you guys watch any of that?

[Guest/Caller]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't know what I'm talking about. Shirley Jess, who's got an addiction to these things, surely she has some thoughts on the the only football that we've gotten this week.

[Chris Cody]

Dan. It made me so angry. So the FCS championship game against Montana State and Illinois State was on Tuesday night. I stood up to way past my bedtime watching it. I was rooting for Illinois State. I decided after Illinois State beat the Pope's team, Villanova. I was going to become an Illinois State fan. I've been there before. It's not far from where I grew up. My aunt went there. I was like, all right, here we go.

[Zaz]

Another team.

[Chris Cody]

Huge, huge upset. Yeah, exactly, Chris. I was like, I'm going to make Illinois State my whole identity. Head coach Brock's back. You're mine now. What a name. So anyways, this game was absolutely bonkers. There were Montana State had nine false starts in this game. Illinois State could not make a kick the last quarter of the game. Illinois State scores two touchdowns to come back and they have a chance to win the game. It's like fourth and one inside the 20 and instead of going forward on fourth down, try to score a touchdown. There are a few minutes left in the game. They attempt to kick a field goal. Do you want to know how that ended up, Dan?

[Zaz]

Was that a wine burp?

[Chris Cody]

That was a wine burp. Thank you, Chris.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

Good to hear.

[Chris Cody]

It got blocked. The game goes to overtime. Illinois State scores in the first overtime offense, period. Then they try to kick an extra point. That gets blocked too. So the Montana State guys running back the extra point and Illinois State guy, very heavy play, grabs him by the face mask and tackles him. Which apparently is like a purge down in football. Once there's been a try and there's a penalty on like the run back of that, you know, extra point. That penalty does not get enforced on the next possession. So Montana State just got the ball back at the 25, but Illinois State only had scored six points. So then Montana State scores a touchdown, kicks the extra point and wins the game. But it was excruciating to watch as an Illinois State fan, Dan. Excruciating to watch because they came back and they had it. All they had to do was try to go for it on fourth down, score a touchdown or kick a successful field goal. Which by the way, if you're watching that game live, you knew that field goal was not going to go in. You knew that there was going to be another block kick that was not going to go in. But it was very painful for me. But luckily it was. Came after the high of the Steelers one Sunday, so I recovered.

[Guest/Caller]

Hey, Jeremy. Happy holidays.

[Jeremy]

Happy Januka.

[Guest/Caller]

I want to toast you. Actually, I don't. I will toast with you.

[Jeremy]

Okay.

[Chris Cody]

We're co workers.

[Zaz]

Mm.

[Jeremy]

Friends, you could say.

[Guest/Caller]

No, we cannot say that. But we both enjoy an ice cold Miller Light.

[Jeremy]

That's true.

[Guest/Caller]

Especially around the holidays. You know, it's a 50th anniversary Miller Light.

[Jeremy]

It's really amazing. Every time we say that, I can't believe.

[Guest/Caller]

Well, it's crazy because, like, they've basically been partners with the Dan LeBatard show for half of their existence.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Guest/Caller]

When I put it to you that way. We got an old ass show.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, we do. That's crazy.

[Guest/Caller]

Hey, let's look around at our friends, not each other and our family, even though they're not here. I do miss your brother, though.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I know.

[Guest/Caller]

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[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Smirnoff.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Jeremy]

Fit.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Fair enough.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Jessica]

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[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Wow.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Guest/Caller]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Dan Levatard.

[Chris Cody]

I don't like smarty either. Stugats women stay home in the kitchen where they belong.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan lebatar show with the there's two gods.

[Greg Cody]

Jess, are. Are. Are you feeling the same way that I am? Where, you know, tomorrow night we got the Fiesta bowl and it's. It's enough with this Trinidad shamlist, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, come on.

[Greg Cody]

We're talking like, come on.

[Chris Cody]

This isn't. This isn't the.

[Greg Cody]

This isn't Andrew luck. All right? It's enough already, right?

[Chris Cody]

I did not think that's where you were going to go with this. I thought you were going to say this is enough with the calendar of the 12 team playoff the last two years, because I don't know about you, it's January 7th. If the title game isn't for another two weeks. This is ridiculous. Like, the portal stuff is happening. All these teams are, like, setting up their 20, 26 rosters. We still have three more college football games left. It's absolutely bonkers.

[Zaz]

Do they play like, do they set this calendar, which is pin the tail on the Donkey? It's like, okay, we're going to put this here, the portal open and then this. The season ends here. This is just one of the more ridiculous things I've ever seen in sports. This football calendar for college football.

[Chris Cody]

No, it's very stupid. I think the best case scenario would be to move everything up a week. And so then you have semifinal games around New Year's when it's like peak football watching time and then play the championship game the week that it's like been played for the last decade or so, which is like the first Monday of January or the second Monday of January usually. And that would make a lot more sense. But then you have to move everything else up. And then like what do you do with the New year? Six games. And then like what do you do with the Army Navy game? Like that's got its own window on cbs. So then you have playoff games during the Army Navy game. There's like, I don't know, but it's. Yeah, it's all stupid.

[Greg Cody]

Jess Craig said the Fiesta bowl tomorrow between Miami and Ole Miss is the national championship.

[Jeremy]

Correct.

[Chris Cody]

Interesting.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, polite by you. Here's all that. Merely interesting.

[Jessica]

Here's another way to put the question. Even though this is not in the question form, the Miami Hurricanes are going to win the national championship. Tell me why I'm wrong.

[Chris Cody]

I think that they have a real shot at winning the national championship. I thought going into the playoffs, like if they could get past Texas A and M on the road, like they've got a legit shot. But I. So I'm not going to argue with you. I think Indiana is obviously very good. So if Indiana beats Oregon, I think that they'll, they'll probably be favored against Miami, but I still think that's a game. I don't think that there's any like runaway favorite right now among the four teams. I just think Indiana is really good, but Miami's also really good. I think Miami could run the ball really, really well in the Fiesta bowl against Ole Miss.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're going to. But does it feel wrong to you? Because it does to me. Does it feel wrong to you, the idea of a two loss champion?

[Chris Cody]

I mean after last year Ohio State lost to Michigan and then went on their playoff run, it kind of eliminated to me the idea that like bad regular season losses. Like people have been saying this for a long time and I do think it's finally come true. Like the regular season losses have been de. Emphasized in a way because of the 12 team playoff. If you can lose to SMU and Louisville but still be, you know, don't even make it to your conference championship game and still be a national champion, then I do think that like Next time that there's a huge upset on a Saturday during the regular season, you kind of shrug and are like, well, if this team's still good, they still can win a national championship. And that I think has been a huge shift over the last two years with the 12 team playoff that you can't really avoid, I think. And I think Ohio State was the first example of that last year because like, that was a humiliating loss to their rival in the last game of the season. But then does anyone dispute the fact that they were the best team in college football last year? I mean, I guess Michigan fans still can make fun of them over it, but they, they won and they had to beat a lot of good teams.

[Dan Le Batard]

But it's not two losses though. It's not. We were talking earlier in the show, it's only happened twice and obviously we haven't had the playoff before, but it's only happened twice in the history of college football that at the end of a season your champion is someone with two losses.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I think it's, it's different now though. It's the. And it might, it might be even more different if it goes to 14 or 16 teams. I mean, imagine if Alabama, who should have never made the playoff in the first place, went on some sort of miraculous playoff run and they, the SEC runner up who lost by three touchdowns then is your national champion.

[Dan Le Batard]

You say, you say it's different and it is, but my Miami was almost not in these playoffs. And they're the only one of these teams that can win the championship with two losses. Like there aren't any others out there. All the other teams haven't, will not have lost twice if they win the championship.

[Chris Cody]

Right. And I think that that's the biggest argument against people that say you don't need a 12 team playoff. And I was one of those people until like probably the last two seasons when you have seen a flattening. I think a lot of like the advanced analytics would support the fact that there's less distance between the number one and the number 15 team than there were say in like 2021 or 2020. And so a lot of football fans are still kind of catching up to the idea that like a 10 seed could win a championship game because they still could be good. They could have just inexplicably lost to conference games in the middle of the season that they really shouldn't have lost. And so that, I guess is an argument for expanding the playoff, which I don't think there was a great argument for. In, you know, like five years ago, even when that flattening hadn't happened yet and there really were only maybe one, maybe two, maybe three teams that were just so much better than, you know, four through 15.

[Jeremy]

Jess, outside of the big three, how many amendments do you think you can name?

[Zaz]

Of course, big three being one, two and five.

[Chris Cody]

That's a great question, Jerbear. 19. That's an important one.

[Jeremy]

19Th is important.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, I thought you could name 19th.

[Jeremy]

Wow, you paid attention to school.

[Zaz]

No Googling either.

[Greg Cody]

I see you rain on Jess.

[Jeremy]

That's the glasses.

[Chris Cody]

I'm a half glass. I'm a half glass of wine. Deep. Don't ask. I'm not here to take a quiz.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that's the way to answer that. Because I do believe this is not the room to talk.

[Jeremy]

You can't do it. None of us are going to be able to.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is correct. I want to talk to you a little bit about what is happening throughout college football. The ability for Auburn to just buy South Florida's coach and quarterback. The ability of Oklahoma State to just buy North Texas's coach and quarterback. 30% of all the players being in the transfer portal. Who are the transfer portal villains beyond the agents?

[Chris Cody]

I'll give you one, Dan, because this has been a hot topic. I'm sure you guys have already talked about the Washington quarterback that potentially transferring to LS now after resigning his deal with Washington earlier as late later last week. He is being made out to be a villain. And while I think that what he's doing is very villainous, I will not dispute that. I think the biggest villain is still Lane Kiffin because he left his team that is trying to still compete for a national championship to be the coach at LSU in the first place. And I don't want us to lose sight of that, Dan. I don't want us to lose sight of the fact that Lane Kiffin left his team that is still on January 7th attempting to compete for a national championship. I think he says that he is and he'll probably get. I think he's like there was reporting that he was going to get bonus money for every game that they won.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes, there was report.

[Chris Cody]

So yeah, I would say he's probably.

[Greg Cody]

Because of that L. Ms. Old LSU has to.

[Dan Le Batard]

LSU has to pay. That was well put by you. But Ms.

[Chris Cody]

I knew what you want. I knew what you meant though. You saw that you've had a couple of glasses this morning too. Is the first week back after a long layoff. Guys, give Zaz a break. Break he would have known all those amendments if it were next week. But, yeah, Lane Kiffin's the villain.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's my.

[Chris Cody]

That's my point. And, like, there's a lot of my fear. This is maybe, like, a tad existential, Dan. My fear is that what is on my head.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, Greg has drawn something, but the thing that people didn't notice. We have a telestrator. But what people may not have noticed.

[Chris Cody]

He has a little hat.

[Dan Le Batard]

Here's what's funny about this, Jessica. It's not just that you were wearing a little hat, that Greg drew that for the last five minutes before that. I watched him try to draw that with an actual pen on the telestrator.

[Zaz]

That's the wrong thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes. So now there's just pen drawings all over the iPad. Thousands of dollars where the telestrator is supposed to.

[Chris Cody]

I'm sure John Madden used to do that, too.

[Jessica]

Pen Teller.

[Chris Cody]

Nice. I've seen them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not nice. You know what? I'm gonna have to get you out of here. And I'm sorry that you're so terrible at this.

[Jessica]

Can I take the telestrator with you?

[Dan Le Batard]

Take it with you.

[Jessica]

My new toy.

[Zaz]

Minor penalty, two minutes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Personal foul.

[Jeremy]

Personal and foul.

[Dan Le Batard]

Out of here. That just. Just unbelievable, what you just did there in its entirety. All of it. Before we get you out of here, Jessica, would you prefer to see a video of a man being kicked in the junk by an AI robot or somebody struggling with the boulder from the Indiana Jones movies? Which.

[Zaz]

Which Stunt show at Disney.

[Dan Le Batard]

Which would you prefer?

[Chris Cody]

I saw that one. That boulder is too big. Let's watch someone getting hit in the nuts.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, here's somebody playing with an AI robot. There it is. There it is. That's.

[Jeremy]

This is.

[Greg Cody]

Why is the robot mocking?

[Jeremy]

No. So that's what it is. The whole setup of this thing. This guy's controlling the robot, so he kicks himself in the ball, and then.

[Zaz]

The robot does his reaction to the kick. Whoa.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, no.

[Jeremy]

It's just, what a metaphor for A.I. am I right?

[Chris Cody]

This is what it feels like to be a Notre Dame men's basketball fan.

[Dan Le Batard]

Check out her weekly Notre Dame podcast, the Echoes with Mike Golick Jr. She's excited to have another playoff game. She is a. Look at her, a tipsy Steeler fan feeling good about herself because her coach always wins, even if his quarterback is a combination of Mitch Trubisky and Duck Hodges. Thank you, Jessica. We appreciate you being.

[Chris Cody]

He always pulls me back in, Dan.

[Zaz]

Goodbye.

[Jeremy]

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[Jessica]

As a woman faking pain. I. I didn't think that sounded real. I really didn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, it was not fake. It was in no way fake.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, you can spot a woman faking it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Jessica]

Yes, I can. Jess Expert. I've been married 40 years.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the St.

[Zaz]

My dad just looking at the telestrator, not doing anything with it.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's right. Your father is in rare form here today in general and has been in rare form. Oh, I should have asked her if she was surprised at all by his behavior this morning. Spilling coffee all over the floor and then just waiting for somebody to clean it up for him. It was just. Just breathtaking.

[Jeremy]

We'll ask next week.

[Dan Le Batard]

In its entitlement. Something that happened here yesterday, I'm going to say quietly, although everything I'm about to say is fairly ridiculous to me and I don't think I could have imagined it 15 years ago. LeBron James, for what I believe is the first time, is giving voice to the idea. Okay, somebody else's team. Now I'm going to have to tailor my game around Luca. And he added some context when he says there's not a basketball game being played anywhere that I Don't know how it is that I would make myself fit around that. But we were talking yesterday about Trey Young and his value and the idea of counting stats and not believing that Trey Young has very much value. And Zaz said, among other things, Trey Young, it's crazy to think that he doesn't have value when he's a 25 and 10 guy.

[Greg Cody]

I agree with it.

[Chris Cody]

But.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, well, but the counting stats don't matter anymore, right? I do believe that I can take any third guy on any team and get 25 and 10 out of him if I give him the usage rate that Trey Young has in Atlanta. And then I don't have a good team, but I have a guy who's getting 25 and 10. I really do believe that I can go to any third guy who's a scorer on a roster, make him Norman Powell. And all of a sudden what I'm seeing From a number one guy is a team that's a 500 team. But I'm getting counting stats, they're a good deal better, but my team's not good enough.

[Greg Cody]

I mean, I would add a couple things. Number one, one of the things that I think you like about Trey Young is we've seen him in big, in big playoff games and he's been able to carry teams to not just wins, but road wins. I mean, very famously that series against the New York Knicks, I mean that, that Hawks team that he took to, I think the Eastern Conference finals, that Hawks team, the cast around him, I, I mean it's Kevin Herder, John Collins and Clint Capella. Like, and I totally get what you're saying, especially because half the game the defensive end, you really can't win with players, players who are Trey Young size. Anyone who trades for him and wants any chance of winning. Your defense has to be really good. The rest of your players that are in the lineup with him. But man, I like, I think this is a really good player who seemingly has no value.

[Jeremy]

Well, and reputationally we all think of him as a guy who can spread the floor as well. He can't. He's a 33 point shooter. Like he is not a good three point. He's more like 33, 34, but 33 point shooter this season.

[Greg Cody]

He's okay. He's played like 10 games.

[Zaz]

Which one is it, guys?

[Jeremy]

Still, he look, he was at 34 last year. He was at 33 2.

[Greg Cody]

He's never been as good a three point shooter as everyone thought he was going to be when he's never been.

[Jeremy]

As good, it's a different thing. And so when you can't shoot the three efficiently, more difficult to play off the ball. That's the one thing like give where. Where we talk about Tyler Hero. Like, you can give him a level of credit. Offensively, he's not the passer. The trainer is a high percentage, but he's a very efficient, efficient player. And that's the thing that tanks Trae Young's value is you talk about the counting stats of 25 and 10. It's with a massive usage rate. The ball is always in his hands. And that's where Dan's point comes.

[Greg Cody]

Usage rate is good. Players, they love not playing these days, you know, well, when they're on the.

[Jeremy]

Floor, they want to get the ball and they want to get involved. And when your whole offense is revolving around a guy who is not all that efficient, that's where your team starts to suffer. And the thing that made him good was that. That at the time, at least the way he was getting guys involved made a lot of sense. And all of those guys played a role. But now you have a team with Jalen Johnson built around it. Everybody knows that's the direction you need to go. You have a budding superstar 24 years old, and if Trae Young is constantly dominating the ball and it's disrupting that chemistry, it puts you in a really awkward position. If you're the Hawks, they have no leverage.

[Jessica]

So here's my question of Trey Young. Can Eric, and this is theoretical, can Eric Spoelstra and whatever power there is in Heat culture fix Trey Young?

[Dan Le Batard]

You cannot have that defensive player on the floor. You can't. You just can't. He's terrible. And if Tyler Herro is a weakness, that guy's even more of a weakness defensively.

[Greg Cody]

It's not even just that. I think you have to weigh the idea of Trae Young, who next year will opt into his contract and makes almost $50 million a season. Or would you rather have Davion Mitchell, who makes like five?

[Dan Le Batard]

Right. He was terrible last night. All of the Heat were terrible last night. But we've wandered away from what was the original point because I got distracted by trae young. But LeBron saying for the first time, this is the first acknowledgment. Right. And the reason I say it's all absurd is I can't believe he's the oldest player in the league. He's 40 years old, and he was still last year speaking to usage rate, he was a guy who could be 25 and 10, like without any problem. And I heard Hannibal Buress talking about this the other day was such a good point. During he had a pop up set here in Miami where he just showed up and did some comedy and he was just talking and he did a great riff about how weird it must be to be Bronnie and have your 40 year old dad still be a good deal better at basketball than you are. Even though most places you go that aren't the NBA, you're the best basketball player walking into any place you're going. But you come home and your dad's just dribbling the ball between his legs looking at you, you're still not as good as me. I told you, I'm highly questionable. I loved asking competitive athletes how it is that they competed against their kids. And all of them would say, all of them. He got close to beating me at the end. And that's when we stopped playing. The idea that Bronny still can't beat his dad when he's an NBA player.

[Greg Cody]

One on one, what's the score?

[Dan Le Batard]

Whatever it is, it's still not Bronny winning. And it just can't have a lot of precedent in the history of 40 year olds that somebody who's good enough to be in the NBA still can't beat his dad.

[Greg Cody]

LeBron still skun him one on one, right?

[Jeremy]

Whatever. Definitely skunks whatever score it is to one because he just got too cute trying to block a shot. And maybe one layup goes in underneath him. He had 38 and 8 last night. He's 41 years old.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is what. How.

[Greg Cody]

Let's play.

[Zaz]

I want to play. This sound we have of him. Talk just to how old he is. He's still dominating his son. This is LeBron talking about playing back to backs at his age.

[Dan Le Batard]

Every back to back for the rest of the season is TBD. I am 41. I got the most minutes in NBA history. Streets true bank it right now. Okay? What are we talking about? You don't look like you're 41 on the. But I am. Look at my birth certificate. December 30, 1984, 4:39pm that's when I was born. Any suckers out there I ain't got? You know when I came out, slapped the doctor in the ass.

[Jessica]

Has he said how much longer he's going to play?

[Dan Le Batard]

No.

[Jessica]

He could play another two or three years. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, Nick Wright said one of the most absurd things in the history of the show. Said that at 50, he'd still be an All Star.

[Zaz]

And then a week later, he got sciatica.

[Jessica]

I might buy 45. He's extraordinary. He's a unicorn. He's Tom Brady.

[Dan Le Batard]

But what do you guys make of the articulation that he's finally saying? We've been talking about usage rate, and he's always at the center of the usage rate. This is the first time that someone else is getting the concession. Keep in mind that with the Lakers, Carmelo Anthony refused to come off the bench. Toward the end of his career, when people were talking about getting Carmelo Anthony, who at the time, I think was five years, six years younger than what LeBron is now, he wasn't willing to come off of the bench. What do you make of the articulation, finally, that LeBron. Is there anything meaningful about the articulation? I will make my game fit around Luca.

[Jessica]

I think it's great. I think it's a statement. I think it's a watershed moment for LeBron, who is saying, I'm gonna. I have found a way to age gracefully. So many, many superstar players don't age gracefully on their field of play because their ego won't let them. And here LeBron finally is sort of saying, I can be in an elder statesman role where I don't have to be the best guy on the floor.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

I think it's straight out the LeBron playbook where you say something like that, I'm changing my game and I'm still 30 and 8. You know, like, I think it's such a LeBron move. I don't. I don't. I'm not even doing the things I used to do. I'm now playing a different way, and I'm giving you 38 and eight. I think it's right out the LeBron.

[Jeremy]

He's 41 years old, and since turning 41, he's played three games since that date. In those three games, 31 points, nine rebounds, six assists, 26 points, seven rebounds, 10 assists. And then last night, 38 and eight.

[Greg Cody]

And that's why he's letting you know that's. That's what changes.

[Zaz]

Did we miss a trip to Miami? What'd we miss here? He missed some games a couple weeks ago.

[Dan Le Batard]

Can you imagine being Bronnie and still not being as good as your dad? Like, it's. Yes. It's gotta stink. It. It really does. Has to.

[Zaz]

But if you're brawny, it's like, okay, he's the best ever.

[Jeremy]

So I guess Jacob Dylan. I'm trying to think of like an example outside of sports. Because we've never seen this happen. Like, Ken Griffey Jr. Was immediately better than Jacob Dylan.

[Greg Cody]

Like from the wallflowers.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, Dylan. I don't know. Sorry. I'm glad you said that because I.

[Zaz]

Had no idea who that was.

[Greg Cody]

Random reference.

[Jeremy]

I'm just trying to think of it like.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, it's not. It. Not that random. Like Bob Dylan.

[Jeremy]

He got to be really, really good. The wallflowers are great, but he's not Bob Dylan.

[Chris Cody]

Shit.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's not a bad example. The Boons. So you. The boom.

[Jeremy]

I really just ruined everything.

[Jessica]

Debbie Boone. Can I talk?

[Greg Cody]

Can I just add.

[Jeremy]

No, just.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why don't you let that sit there so that we can all marinate in just his shit joke of like throwing a Debbie Boone out there. I'm so exasperated by this. This is how Kornheiser age comedian.

[Zaz]

My dad was on Kornheiser this morning.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he was very excited about it. He quick K. Took a quick K.

[Jessica]

With Tony K. No, Tony the K, I call him.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is an exasperation of mine comedically that he has a Tourette that anytime somebody says any word, he just says the next thing that comes into his mind. And so we were talking about the Boone family in baseball, and he decided to throw out there Debbie Boone. Go ahead and look up the years of Debbie Boone. I'm going to say say early 70s, Greg, is what it is you're throwing out to our YouTube and podcast audience. Okay. Most of whom are younger than whatever the Debbie Boone demographic is. Give me some Debbie Boone. It's not as old as some of your other old references, but if you're gonna make one of those Tourette's jokes where you just jump out there and say something like that, can you make them slightly more modern so that more of the audience can get Debbie Boone?

[Jessica]

You know, I like to educate. Debbie Boone had the biggest hit single of a quarter century, not just a decade, in a song called you Light up my Life. I think that was another one.

[Jeremy]

Give us a taste.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

It is.

[Jessica]

And so as much of a great career as Pat Boone had, Debbie Boone, with that one hit, usurped her legendary father.

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, so that's what you were doing. You were actually playing the game we were playing of a child that might be able to usurp their parent as opposed to what it is that I thought you were doing, which is Roy mentioned the Boone family because there were three baseball playing boons.

[Jessica]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And you just jump in with the one boon that you think of.

[Jessica]

Well, that's the Boone.

[Dan Le Batard]

Not Bob.

[Jessica]

No. Other than Boone's Farm, which was the first wine Greg Cody ever got drunk on Boone's Farm. Anybody else remember Boone's Farm? No hands. No.

[Zaz]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

Give me the time.

[Zaz]

Some guy in his car is out there.

[Dan Le Batard]

Please, Jeremy. Of Debbie Boone and what? Debbie Boone. Other than you light up my life.

[Jeremy]

Well, so you light up my life is what I'm on right now. It did top the charts for 10 consecutive weeks in 1977, but I believe she first got her start at 14 years old as part of. What are they calling me at the Boone Girls.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, so way to go, Greg. You got it. Just in under the half a century a reference. That's just half a century, newbie.

[Jessica]

I know.

[Zaz]

What did Tony the K have you on for? Fix the Dolphins.

[Jessica]

Fix the Dolphins. And you know, Harbaugh and, um. And Ole Miss tackles.

[Zaz]

You give him the goods.

[Jessica]

Yeah, yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

He sounds bored in and indifferent in delivering. He's just run out of gas. Right. It's Tuesday.

[Zaz]

Back in my day.

[Jeremy]

Yesterday.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's back from the holidays. That's what's happened. Right. It's just. It's simply the old machine is petering out.

[Jessica]

Right.

[Jeremy]

To put this in perspective, though, about LeBron, to tie it all all up, that song was number one only seven years before LeBron James was born.

[Dan Le Batard]

Terrible perspective and terrible way to end the hour.

[Guest/Caller]

You get drunk on a wine cooler.

[Dan Le Batard]

7.5%.

[Jeremy]

Really?

[Jessica]

Is that right? That's what Boone's Farm was? Yeah, it was basically.

[Guest/Caller]

Yeah, it was like they had an apple wine to begin with.

[Jessica]

Okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. So basically a wine cooler.

[Jessica]

I mean, back then, when you're an underage drink or you don't look at alcohol content, anything you get your hands on, you put down your gullet. Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, that is true.

[Jessica]

That's right.