Hour 2: Tony & Billy's Big Lies

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz: Hour 2 – Tony & Billy's Big Lies

Release Date: July 2, 2025

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1. Introduction to the Episode

The episode kicks off with Stugotz setting the stage for the hour by mentioning the need to close several conversational loops from previous discussions. As part of their 20-year celebration, they tease an upcoming segment called "Behind the Bit," which features a sports trivia challenge with Stugotz's brother, Lebo. Stugotz humorously recalls Lebo's less-than-stellar sports knowledge, citing a memorable moment where Lebo mistakenly identified Eric Jeter as the most famous shortstop of the New York Yankees. (Stugotz, [00:30])

2. Mind Benders and Pop Culture References

Chris Cody brings up his appreciation for "mind benders," a game format where participants tackle "Would you rather" scenarios. Stugotz segues into discussing the movie Friendship starring Paul Rudd and Tim Robinson. He praises the film for its blend of humor and awkward moments, drawing parallels between Paul Rudd's character and Zaslow, another cast member. An amusing anecdote unfolds when Stugotz recounts recommending the movie to his brother's widow, leading to a humorous misunderstanding where she thought he was telling her to leave a crowded place. (Stugotz, [01:10] - [02:10]; Chris Cody, [01:10] - [01:12])

3. Tony's Cockroach Encounter

The conversation takes a personal turn as Tony shares a harrowing experience of stepping on a cockroach in the dark. He describes the unsettling sounds and the subsequent mess left on his foot and rug. The group humorously debates the plausibility of Tony's story, with Billy questioning the sound’s origin given the rug's presence. Stugotz enforces a playful penalty of "two minutes for lying," accusing Tony of fabricating aspects of his tale. The banter continues as the group weighs the challenges of stepping on cockroaches on different flooring types, ultimately sympathizing with Tony's unpleasant ordeal. (Tony, [03:27] - [07:00]; Billy, [05:12] - [07:00]; Stugotz, [05:27] - [07:00]; Chris Cody, [03:04] - [07:00])
Notable Quote:
"I had the juice of its guts all over my foot." – Tony ([04:23])

4. Alligator Alcatraz: A Political Edge

The discussion shifts to a politically charged topic when Chris Cody mentions "Alligator Alcatraz," a recent initiative portrayed by the White House. Stugotz probes Dan LeBatard's understanding of the concept, which Dan initially relates to former President Trump’s idea of fortifying Alcatraz with alligators in its moat to prevent escapes. The hosts dissect the implications of using alligators as a deterrent, blending humor with political commentary. They mock the idea of politicians being sent to an alligator-infested Alcatraz, highlighting the absurdity and the underlying messages about security and incarceration. (Stugotz, [10:00] - [15:54]; Dan LeBatard, [11:34] - [16:27]; Chris Cody, [12:02] - [15:54])

Notable Quote:
"AI are the aesthetic of fascism. So what is this? Tell me. Teach me." – Dan LeBatard ([12:10])

5. Sports Updates: The Duncan Robinson Debate

Shifting back to sports, the hosts delve into a detailed analysis of Duncan Robinson from the Miami Heat. Stugotz questions whether any player has achieved a projected number one overall without traditional college experience, referencing Eric Swan—though details surrounding Swan's career appear muddled. The conversation highlights Robinson's shooting prowess, comparing him to Jason Capono, and debating their effectiveness and legacy within the Heat's franchise. Chris Cody expresses admiration for Robinson, emphasizing his status as one of the all-time greats for the team, while Stugotz points out statistical distinctions between shooting percentages and volume. The debate underscores the challenges of evaluating player performance beyond raw statistics. (Stugotz, [16:44] - [22:13]; Dan LeBatard, [16:44] - [22:13]; Chris Cody, [16:44] - [22:13])

Notable Quote:
"Mathematically there's no argument that Jason Capono is a better shooter than Duncan Robinson." – Stugotz ([18:39])

6. Behind the Bit: Lebo's Sports Trivia Challenge

In the heart of the episode, "Behind the Bit" features Lebo testing his limited sports knowledge against the hosts' questions. The segment is filled with lighthearted humor as Lebo struggles to answer basic sports-related queries:

• Joe Burrow: Lebo mistakenly identifies him as an amateur football player rather than a professional.
• Milwaukee NBA Team: Confusion arises when asked about the team's name, with Lebo guessing "Cobras."
• SEC Football Teams & Coach Ed Orgeron: Lebo's answers reveal his lack of familiarity with college sports, leading to chuckles from the hosts.
• LeBron James' Team: Lebo incorrectly states Cleveland, showcasing his limited current sports engagement.

The segment culminates with a "Mind Bender" question, "Would you rather be a cat or a dog?"—receiving mixed responses and further highlighting Lebo's playful absence of sports enthusiasm.

Behind the Bit Highlights:

• Lebo's incorrect answers and humorous attempts add levity.
• Stugotz shares personal anecdotes about Lebo's participation, including past moments like Lebo painting caricatures of the hosts.

Notable Quotes:
"Joe Burrow is a professional football coach." – Stugotz ([32:55])
"I want to be off the phone." – Lebo ([39:59])
"I think it's the fun that we had around that. There were plenty of activations that we had where he was." – Stugotz ([36:23])

7. Reflections and Closing Remarks

As the episode winds down, Stugotz reflects on the enduring camaraderie and the creative dynamics between him, Dan, and Lebo. The hosts express appreciation for Lebo's unique contributions, both as an artist and a recurring guest who brings a different flavor to the show. The segment emphasizes the blend of sports, humor, and personal stories that define The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, celebrating two decades of engaging and entertaining content.

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Conclusion

Hour 2 of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz masterfully intertwines personal anecdotes, political satire, and sports analysis, all while maintaining a playful and engaging atmosphere. Through Tony's cockroach saga, the absurdity of Alligator Alcatraz, a spirited debate on Duncan Robinson's legacy, and the endearing sports trivia challenge with Lebo, the episode delivers a rich tapestry of discussions that cater to both avid listeners and newcomers alike.

Transcript

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[Stugatz]

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[Stugatz]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Jeremy has an assortment of loops that need to be closed on things we've been talking about. At the end of the hour as part of our 20 year celebration, we're going to have a Behind the Bit. This one is going to be just doing sports trivia with my brother Lebo. He was usually pretty terrible at it. I don't know that we will have a better moment involving him than the time that we asked him the most famous shortstop of the New York Yankees and he said I know this, I know this Eric Jeter. I don't know that we will do a whole lot better than that.

[Chris Cody]

I used to like the mind benders.

[Stugatz]

He would do mindbenders. Would you rather would be another way of playing that game. Have any of you seen yet Friendship with Paul Rudd and Tim Robinson? Because it's great, it's funny, it's awkward. It's got four or five just quintessentially funny moments, including a spoiler alert with Paul Rudd that may in some ways remind you of Zaslow. I will tell you nothing else except this is the most that Paul Rudd in a movie has ever been like Zaslow. It is funny though. It is awkward funny. I love the role for Paul Rudd and I would recommend the movie to anyone who likes the skit show. I think you should leave, which I've told you before. My brother's widow in a crowded place I was recommending to her I think you should leave. And she kept getting hurt because she thought I was telling her to go. She didn't know she was loud and she didn't who's on first situation. Yeah, she didn't really understand.

[Chris Cody]

Like she just thought mid conversation you're telling her I think you should leave.

[Stugatz]

Well, I kept saying it louder because she couldn't hear me. I think you should leave. And so yeah, she was a bit insulted by that. But I would recommend Friendship to anyone listening to this. But Tony mentioned something before we close those loops and before we get to behind the Bit, Tony mentioned something during the break. He was ruminating about the worst things to step on and I Didn't hear any of his nominees. But the way that my mind works on word association, that's almost the first thing I think of when I think of legos. Like, if you asked me to do word association on Legos, I'm going to end up in a video algorithm mentally, of people step on legos. I've seen videos of people running on a treadmill that's covered in Legos called lego. Huh?

[Chris Cody]

That's how you say it, lego.

[Stugatz]

Am I saying it incorrectly?

[Chris Cody]

I think it's lego.

[Stugatz]

Right?

[Tony]

Legos.

[Chris Cody]

It's a lego.

[Tony]

Lego. My Eggo.

[Billy]

That's a different thing.

[Tony]

Pronounced the same.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Stugatz]

So you guys, I'm saying it wrong. Lego. It's. I'm.

[Billy]

Now you put an accent on the O. Lego. That's maybe the French.

[Stugatz]

Sounds like Jeremy's. Let's go, let's go.

[Tony]

So, Dan, here's the thing. Obviously you have your natural comedic things that you step on that are bad. A rake, banana peel of those things. I was in my house a couple of days ago on Saturday.

[Billy]

You stepped on your child.

[Tony]

That would also be a bad thing to step on. But no, I did not step on her. So I was getting ready. Hoops. On Saturday mornings, I wake up pretty early. I'm in the gym playing hoops by about 7:30, right? So it's kind of dark at the house. I wake up around 6:36,45. I'm getting my stuff ready. I go out to the other bathroom that's across from where our room is. I had left something in there. I was getting ready. I take a step out of the bathroom. Still dark. I take a step out of the bathroom here. I'm like, what? Like, what was that? Barefoot, obviously. Just got out of bed. I look under what I stepped on. Somehow, someway, a cockroach was walking in the same way that I was turning the corner from the bathroom. And he was underneath, or her whomever, whatever was underneath my foot as I.

[Chris Cody]

Sound effect was perfect.

[Tony]

I was like, what? It sounded almost like Billy's onion crunch. Like that's what the sound was. And I felt like the juice of its guts. And I was like, what did I step on? I have like, at this point, I'm not thinking I stepped on a cockroach. I think I stepped on like a. I don't know, something for the baby. Something like. Like a diaper. Like something that was weird. I looked down, dead cockroach on my. Just like that. And I was just like, oh. But the problem is I had to hop over because it was dark.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Tony]

Hop over to where the light was to turn it on. Obviously, as you can see, my disgust guts all over my foot. It was on a rug, so I had to sit there and clean it off the rug. It was terrible. So I submit that as the worst thing to step on a live cockroach on my foot. Poor person, or cockroach, whatever, male or female, whatever it was that was walking and decided to walk directly into my path.

[Stugatz]

Let's go.

[Billy]

This story fell apart with the details. Once you threw in the rug, it wouldn't have made that sound.

[Dan LeBatard]

What do you.

[Tony]

You don't think that stepping on a.

[Billy]

Cockroach on a rug, no other rug makes that silence? No. If you had, like, the tile or the wooden floor. I believe the sound. I'm starting to wonder now.

[Stugatz]

Okay.

[Billy]

Once a rug was involved. Okay, this is real.

[Tony]

I want to bring a cockroach in here. You be barefoot. You step on it and see what's on a rug. On a rug that you're.

[Billy]

I'm wouldn't hear it.

[Tony]

The crunch is going to be the same.

[Chris Cody]

Minor penalty.

[Stugatz]

Two minutes for lying. It was filed by Billy on a Wild West.

[Tony]

I don't give a shit what he.

[Stugatz]

Okay.

[Tony]

You think I'll kick his ass to.

[Stugatz]

The penalty is fighting people.

[Billy]

You have to threaten to fight people.

[Stugatz]

And then don't fight here. Then go to Vegas and don't fight them. Go. You got to go. Billy has made an accusation. And on. While.

[Tony]

Hold on.

[Billy]

Judge Zaslo, Judge Johnny.

[Dan LeBatard]

Because.

[Stugatz]

Because.

[Tony]

Is this America? Is this not America, Jack?

[Stugatz]

Not. Hold on.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, is that what I'm judging?

[Tony]

If this is America you're judging on what the. What the. Guilty or not guilty?

[Stugatz]

The ruling has been made. We're not going to a judge. You've got to go.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, we don't use judges anymore.

[Stugatz]

It's gone. You have to go. And I'm sorry. It's Billy levying the accusation.

[Tony]

He's not the judge.

[Stugatz]

It's a Wild Willie Wednesday, and on Wild Willie Wednesday, he is the judge on this. And you have to go. You may not have been lying. The story is worse if it's on tile. I think all of us say that's worse to be stepping on a cockroach on tile than on a rug. And he has put enough skepticism around your story that I'm going to allow it.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's actually preferred to step on tile. It's louder to your point. On tile, it's an easier cleanup. On tile, you don't want in the.

[Billy]

Carpet Rug cleanups very difficult.

[Dan LeBatard]

You gotta like the guts are getting in the carpet.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Billy]

And if it was pregnant and there's babies in there.

[Stugatz]

Whoa.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's dark.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Stugatz]

I wouldn't have assumed that he could have killed it barefoot on a rug, given how difficult it is to just generally kill cockroaches. And also, I don't know if you guys know this. I didn't learn it until recently because I'm seeing a lot more cockroaches than usually do. The heat brings them out. And I was not aware that the heat makes cockroaches be something that are going to be more on your radar than. Than they usually are. And obviously we're so swampy down here that the flying cockroach. The flying cockroach is simply not something that's everywhere in the United States. Correct.

[Dan LeBatard]

No. The palmetto bug. I don't think so. It's my worst nightmare. Like what Tony just described. That can't be true. It is. That's your actual nightmare. Well, okay.

[Billy]

It's a charmed life.

[Stugatz]

It's unpleasant. A barefoot stepping on a cockroach is pretty unpleasant.

[Dan LeBatard]

He definitely did it with the ball of his foot too, which is how you end up getting that crunch. And I think that. I think, no, if you do right, it's not going to happen. If the arch is there and maybe it's the heel. But my assumption is this is just a thin rug he's talking about. I feel like we're all reacting to this like it's like shag carpeting and that's not what's there. If you have a thin little rug that's there just for decoration, this can absolutely happen. I think we. We really did Tony a disservice.

[Billy]

I was waiting for a judgment. To be honest with you.

[Chris Cody]

Wasn't necessary.

[Stugatz]

Zaz, you look flat footed. You do you. I could. I feel like I could profile you as a flat footed person.

[Chris Cody]

I am.

[Stugatz]

I'm going to tell the rest of you a funny story that you will both.

[Chris Cody]

You think that's something you could tell when you see somebody dude's flat footed?

[Stugatz]

Yes. With you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just when you said it, I was like, checks out.

[Billy]

Is it on our side too or. Cause you know him that you think that he's flat footed?

[Stugatz]

I believe it's something about his face right now that makes it feel to me like he is flat footed. But you mentioned. Tony mentioned in the dark. And I will tell you guys a funny story that you will not be surprised by, but you will indeed find amusing in the dark. The other day, I'm going through my closet in total dark at 5:30 in the morning, trying not to wake up. My wife and I go and I get dressed and I do a full workout in the dark at 5:30 in the morning. And later in the morning, as I'm at the grocery store, I look down and realize I'm wearing two different sneakers because I grabbed them in the dark. And they were both. They both seemed like they were the. They were different shoes for different feet, but they seemed to be the same shade of color. One of them was white, though, and one of them was like a light beige. And so I'm wearing two different shoes.

[Dan LeBatard]

I wonder if anyone saw you at the store and were like, man, these rich people are so stylish.

[Billy]

What did David Beckham say?

[Stugatz]

I did think to myself, I see a day where kids do do this on purpose as a fashion, as a.

[Billy]

Sell them like that. They sell shoes that are different colors.

[Dan LeBatard]

NBA players do it.

[Billy]

Yeah, we're here.

[Dan LeBatard]

They will wear different colorways of the same brand of shoe just to match the couple of different colors on their uniform.

[Billy]

I thought about doing that because I bought pairs of the exact same shoe style.

[Dan LeBatard]

I do that all the time.

[Billy]

And I thought about, like, what if I wear one of these blue ones or one of these orange ones? But I knew that if I did it here, people would just make fun of me and bully me. So I didn't do it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, we can make choices that are out there.

[Stugatz]

Here.

[Billy]

Hey, Tony.

[Dan LeBatard]

I tucked in my shirt the other day, and everybody made fun of me. That's all I did. Just tuck in a shirt.

[Tony]

It was an odd look, man.

[Stugatz]

See, one of the things that came up yesterday that I look forward to talking to Ron McGill about is that I believe that Billy and the rest of you have not been listening to Ron McGill. And so when he speaks of the Everglades, I believe that you guys do not have the same respect for the different kind of wildlife that there is in the Everglades, different than the rest of the United States. And how unusual it is if you're not used to something like the Everglades, to find the kind of animals that there are in the Everglades. But I was legitimately surprised, though I should not have been, when earlier today, Chris Cody said out loud, what is alligator Alcatraz? And before I answer the question, because it was quite the public display of politics that went on in South Florida yesterday by going to the Everglades and celebrating the idea that there is a Prison surrounded by alligators. What did you imagine that it was when you heard the phrase for the first time without knowing alligator Alcatraz?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, I had heard weeks ago that Trump had been talking about bringing Alcatraz back. So I'm thinking maybe he pitched an idea of we're going to put moat around it. No one's gonna be able to get there. There's gonna be alligators. Alligators protecting Alcatraz. I know it's an island, but we'll put a little land. So there's a moat. We need a moat. And we're have alligator. Dangerous alligators. The bed. The biggest alligators you've ever seen. They'll bite your hand off. I've seen them do it three times.

[Stugatz]

The best. That's what I thought.

[Dan LeBatard]

I thought it would be. Alligators patrolling Alcatraz.

[Jeremy]

That's.

[Dan LeBatard]

Am I wrong? That's not an AI image that we created. That's an AI image that the White House tweeted out themselves.

[Stugatz]

So I'm right.

[Dan LeBatard]

AI are the aesthetic of fascism. So what is this? Tell me. Teach me.

[Stugatz]

Well, did you see any of the coverage yesterday? Okay, so you have since. I know you have since learned what it is, but when you asked the question, you did not know what alligator Alcatraz was. For the record, what do you know about Alcatraz itself?

[Dan LeBatard]

I've been to Alcatraz. I've done the tour. I've done the.

[Stugatz]

Put the headphones on.

[Dan LeBatard]

It's pretty cool, actually. One of the cooler tours I think I've done in my life. Go ahead, Billy.

[Billy]

I see the face here. I'm just here. I'll listen to you. I believe you were there.

[Dan LeBatard]

You don't believe I was there?

[Billy]

No, I do. I just said I believe you were there. You did. You put the headphones.

[Stugatz]

But he did. You did make a face, and he noticed the face, and he's not.

[Billy]

Just don't obsess over me. I just have faces sometimes. It's okay. I can sit here.

[Tony]

Does he get thrown out for lying or. No, just said so.

[Chris Cody]

An accusation has been made.

[Tony]

Sure.

[Billy]

Hold on a second. I did not.

[Tony]

No, no, I don't. That's the damn.

[Billy]

Don't.

[Tony]

That's nothing to do with you. I'm asking Dan.

[Billy]

I'm just.

[Stugatz]

What is the lie that I'm kicking him out for, that he has faces?

[Tony]

He hasn't been to Alcatraz.

[Stugatz]

I don't know. Okay, so if you don't know the accusation you're making, why are you. You know what? You can get out again for just doing crazy.

[Billy]

Rough week for Tony. Can I go with him? Just for moral support. I feel bad for him. I'm gonna go with him to make sure. Used to be mental. Mental health awareness month. And this month we're getting out.

[Stugatz]

Hot.

[Billy]

I know we're getting hot.

[Stugatz]

Penalty two minutes.

[Dan LeBatard]

May was mental health.

[Billy]

I think it's always a good month to be mindful of your mental health.

[Stugatz]

Weren't you leaving? Weren't you leaving? You were leaving, right? You volunteered to leave and then you decided to stay. Like a bad lingering smell in a bathroom. Because you said you were leaving and I gave you the option to leave. And then you decided to stay because you didn't like that we just did what you wanted to do and so you changed it.

[Dan LeBatard]

He also left the door wide open. So now we're going to hear the murmuring from the other room.

[Chris Cody]

I think alligator Alcatraz totally sounds like there's a moat around the prison.

[Stugatz]

Thank you.

[Chris Cody]

Like you had those escapees in New Orleans. Like they wouldn't have escaped if there was a moat with alligators outside the prison. I. I'm with Chris. That's what I thought of when I first heard about.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is just like yesterday when we went from the Damian Lillard conversation straight to the Atlanta Hawks. It's like. It's wild that we're skipping past what this thing is to be like. But what if we put a moat around a prison? Tell the people what it is for the people that are first sponsored work camp.

[Stugatz]

They don't have to worry about anything, though. Look at them. Chris and Zaslo will never have to worry about being put in an alligator Alcatraz because these are not the kinds of people that those alligators eat. Congratulations to Zaslow and Chris.

[Dan LeBatard]

For Zaslow might be eventually. That's normally what happens for being pink. I'm good, though. Yeah, Chris, you're good. You're the only one.

[Stugatz]

It is true what he's saying, though. The flippant sort of alligator Alcatraz should be mortifying. The idea of flying in politicians to go to that place on the outskirts of civilization to make sure that everyone knows that others will be surrounded by alligators there. I believe that what is happening right now in the other room with Louis and Billy and Tony and Chris over here has smiles on it that shouldn't be around the phrase alligator Alcatraz. I believe that. Look at him now. They're afraid to smile. Now Billy's afraid to smile even though he's. Tony's not Afraid he's surrounded by alligators with ice hats that were sent out by the White House. Yeah, I don't know what to do with it other than make fun of it, because the other thing to do with it is just sort of. Yeah, cry, cry, cry. Horrified at. We had a hell of a run. America at being America.

[Dan LeBatard]

It was pretty fun. But now yesterday at the fun demonstration with merch and tours of the barracks of which these people will be stored in merch. Oh, yeah, they have hats that say Alcatraz on them with little animated gators on top that they gave out to people. And on top of that, then Trump just decided to say, hey, by the way, we got a lot of bad people, many of them born in our country. I think we ought to get them the hell out of here too. So, you know, he said, maybe we'll try that next. So the thing we've been saying about, you know, throwing people in work camps and such, it's happening.

[Stugatz]

It's early in the administration, so you have more fun like that to look forward to. Can you tie up some of the show loose ends here before we get to behind the bit and before it is that Billy and Tony and everyone thunder back in here to ruin the rest of today.

[Dan LeBatard]

So we were looking at the conversation about Arch Manning. Has there ever been a player that hasn't played quite yet to be projected to go number one overall?

[Stugatz]

No.

[Dan LeBatard]

But the closest thing I could find, Eric Swan, was a player who never actually played college football because he was academically ineligible the entire time he was still drafted sixth overall. We asked about direct deposits, and when those were invented, that happened in the 70s. So it's surprising that Rickey Henderson couldn't have done that himself or anyone else. We were talking about blackout policies when it comes to the NFL. 75 miles away from the city of origin of the team is where you can get to where the blackout no longer applies. Orlando. Unnecessary.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, but where was I going to stop 75 miles out? Am I just knocking on somebody's door? Hey, I'm here to watch the Dolphins.

[Dan LeBatard]

A bar. Zaslow was right. Tim Legler is one of five players on three three point attempts or more to shoot over 50% from three. He and Jason Capono are the only players to play more than 10 games in a season and do so just Tim Legler and Jason Capono playing 77 and 67 games, respectively. The Heat have the second longest NBA sellout streak, actively the fourth all time. The number one active is the Dallas Mavericks. 957 sellouts starting December 15, 2001, and a nomination for a cumbersome nickname. Oscar Pistorius, the fastest man on no less. That's how it's done, Jeremy. That's how you use Jeremy. Good job out of you.

[Stugatz]

It was a good. Keep talking. Yes. It was a good update. Yes. Because I like that there were so many loops closed there. I guess I have to say that Capono is a better shooter than Duncan Robinson. Right. I have to, don't I have to say that mathematically there's no argument that Jason Capono is a better shooter than Duncan Robinson? No.

[Dan LeBatard]

Volume normally affects percentage. And so if you're only doing a couple per game and you're probably pretty open considering the, the team that you were playing on. Yeah, a little different. They ran offense through Duncan for a good portion of this career, but 50% for 3 is insane. They ran.

[Chris Cody]

I'd rather, I'd rather a guy who goes 4 for 10 than a guy who goes 1 for 2.

[Billy]

He, he, he averaged less than two shots one of those seasons.

[Dan LeBatard]

Right, Right. When are the Heat running their offense through Duncan? Oh, man, the, the dribble handoffs with Bam, especially 2020. That was, that was a gigantic chunk of their offense. It was bring in Duncan Robinson, run him around and just try to get him open for several minutes at a time. He runs around playoff games. He runs around a lot. It was just getting him open and getting him shots. Five or six shots on five or six possessions in a row.

[Chris Cody]

I feel like, I don't know, I hope he starts, it starts to get a little bit of notice now that he's no longer on the team. But man, he's, he's really one of the all time great Heat players. He was here for seven. He guessed well. Just think about the context. Seven years, that's a long time in the end. Like he was here a lot longer than LeBron was. Right. Seven years he was with the Heat. He's the all time leader in three pointers. He's unquestionably the second greatest undrafted player in the history of the franchise. Only behind you, Donnis. Haslam played in huge games, two NBA.

[Dan LeBatard]

Finals, big miss there and against the Celtics.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, he really is one of the all time great. Miami Heat.

[Stugatz]

Are you hurt by this? Do you develop an emotional attachment to Duncan Robinson with the Miami Heat?

[Chris Cody]

I, I, I usually am hurt by stuff like this. When we lose players, I do get way too emotional. I don't want to trade anybody to get another guy. I want to keep everybody. I'D be a terrible general manager. I don't feel that emotion right now. And I think it's just because, man, it's just we, we've been, we've been down the last couple years. Something's got to change. We got to get something new here. So I'm not emotional about losing him.

[Stugatz]

Speaking of something new, would you do me the favor please of looking up the year that Eric Swan was drafted? Because I want 1991, I want to put in front of you guys in 2025 the idea of, hey, there's a giant guy and he's going to be drafted in the top six. And get this straight out of high school, no college play, he's going to be a top six NFL draft pick. But his past is he's just a menacing guy that's so strong that he's projected very high even though he didn't play in college. And he's not, he's not a college age freshman in college. So is coming out of high school, essentially, even though he's in his early 20s.

[Dan LeBatard]

He also played semi professional football for the Bay State Titans. So whatever that is, that guy gets drafted 6th overall.

[Stugatz]

How strong does that human being have to be now? Again, it's 30 years ago, so it's a different time in the NFL draft. But if that happened today where you had a guy that I was telling you, you're not going to believe, believe this. Listen to this. He's so strong, he's going to be in the top six but didn't play in college.

[Chris Cody]

No GM would have the guts to draft that guy.

[Dan LeBatard]

He made $5 per hour as his salary for the Bay State Titans.

[Stugatz]

Bae, what, what was his professional career? Because he didn't amount to much. He was a defensive tackle. But I do believe that he did play in the league for a while and he wasn't, he wasn't useless. And I don't think of him as being associated with the word bust, even though he probably was a bust if he's, if he's going top six and wouldn't be having much of a career.

[Dan LeBatard]

He was an All Pro 1995 and 1996. He was an All Pro and selected to the Pro bowl team. He signed a five year, $25 million contract with a seven and a half million dollar signing bonus in 98. But he ended up getting hurt knee injuries. But he played from 1991 to 2000, which is a really long career.

[Stugatz]

So not a bust. But none of you had heard of Eric Swan or Eric Swan Story as an NFL top six draft pick who didn't end up going to college, There aren't going to be too many examples of that. I would imagine.

[Tony]

You remember the guy from Baylor a couple years ago that was like, way bigger than everybody else, where he would stand on the. On the coin flip and he was just like, massive and had like these huge abs. That's the guy. You could have told me he straight out of high school. Be like, sign him. I don't know what he is. Sign him.

[Stugatz]

That photo is so memorable that I remember exactly what you're talking about. We're going to find it in a second. And it was a coin toss of a guy that based on looking at him, you would have simply said, of course that person is great at football. But I don't think that person was even a pro. Was. He was. Good God. I don't. I do not remember his name, but I don't believe that he ever played professionally. Even though no one has ever looked as good in a Baylor uniform as this guy coming out for the coin flip.

[Dan LeBatard]

Pretty sure. Just think about Baylor for a second. That is maybe part of why he.

[Billy]

Didn'T play RG3 went to Baylor. He won a Heisman.

[Stugatz]

Neither of you. That's not what I'm talking about. Neither of you helpful at all?

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. Sexual assault.

[Stugatz]

Neither of you at all helpful?

[Billy]

His name's Sean Oakman. He played for the Alouettes.

[Stugatz]

Okay, so he played cfl, the Elks.

[Billy]

The Argonauts, the Aces, the Wildcats, the Rough Riders, the Bucks, and the Torch.

[Stugatz]

So never didn't play an NFL down, did not play that human being who. I mean, the reaction from everybody was to see that photograph and gasp at what is it, or what is one supposed to do about blocking that? Well, the answer is everyone in the pros could block that because that and the cfl. Everyone in this country who played professional football could block that. Evidently, though, it had to go to Canada in order to play professionally.

[Tony]

It also feels like Derrick Henry was one of those guys, too, when he came out of high school where he had like a thousand years, you know, rushing touchdowns in high. In high school, it felt like he could have been a guy that could play in the NFL right away, too.

[Chris Cody]

Imagine going to six, period, and then you have to go play football against Derrick Henry.

[Tony]

Tackle this guy like, whoa, whose dad is that?

[Chris Cody]

What the hell?

[Stugatz]

I have friends who were at Columbus who one time went to play immokalee and Edwin James was in the backfield. And they're just my small Cuban friends. Like, what are we supposed to. What? I don't know. Like, at that point, Edrin James was that muscular simply because he was physically unloading trucks that had produce in them as a high school kid. Didn't even lift weights. Was just someone who was unbelievably strong because he was working on trucks since he was 12 years old.

[Dan LeBatard]

I just love learning about Dan's different groups of friends. We have his math friends and his small Cuban friends.

[Chris Cody]

Studying for your math test. Now go tackle Edger and James.

[Stugatz]

Well, the Edger and James story that is best there. I'm sorry, The Columbus High school friend story that is best there. Edrin James is second. The first story there is that same friend at his birthday party. We put on all the televisions. You Donis has them in high school dunking and the ball going through the rim and hitting him in the forehead as he was late on the fast break.

[Tony]

He's trying to run back because the coach is watching.

[Stugatz]

The dunk goes through and we just put it on a loop on all the televisions. The ball going through the hoop as it's being dunked at Miami High and it bouncing off my friend Paul. Paul's forehead and going into the stands because they were. And by the way, you, Donna Haslam at that point was playing for Miami High but lived in Miramar, like, was nowhere near where the state champions were. Don't worry about that. The district lines did not apply to. However it is that Frank Martin got you done. Is Haslam to go.

[Tony]

Got a lot of guys to go to Miami High.

[Chris Cody]

They did have those banners removed. Like, they got them taken away.

[Tony]

Steve Blakely by Killiana Miami.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yep.

[Stugatz]

I want you to imagine my friend's face when he walked into his birthday party.

[Dan LeBatard]

Small Cuban friend.

[Stugatz]

All the televisions is the basketball going through the basket and hitting him in the forehead and bouncing into the stands.

[Chris Cody]

Happy birthday.

[Tony]

That's got to be worse than getting dunked on, right? Is the byproduct of getting dunked on and then hitting the ball against your forehead so hard that it goes into the stands.

[Stugatz]

If I could have made it a poster, I would have. If I. If I could have had him posterized at the time. If I had the technology right to just put a poster in his room of the ball going through the trajectory of the ball. Look, he dunked with such ferocity. All right. We were down by 40. It was all of us for the Miami Herald high school sports show were playing against you. Donna's Aslam. And that wasn't even the best dunk.

[Tony]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Jeremy]

Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime? You know how I supplement my summertime?

[Dan LeBatard]

Of course I do.

[Jeremy]

I make it Miller time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Of course.

[Jeremy]

That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just. I just put it right to my forehead right there. And I just roll it sometimes right on the forehead, cool my body down and then I crack it open. Instant relief. And then that first sip, brother, does that first sip.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through.

[Jeremy]

I'm just serenity now. When I just imagine that first sip of Miller Light, just thinking about it.

[Dan LeBatard]

It'S making me happy.

[Jeremy]

Dude, the sun is out. It's nice. You have your friends showing up. You got your family there. You just had your first sip of Miller Light. And you know what? You're happy. You're blissful. You're fulfilled. I've been stocking my cooler with Miller Light four years and for good reason. It's brewed for taste only. 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That is five decades of cookouts, laughs, and ice cold moments that never miss. It's the original light beer and it's still my Go to Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you. Or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 to carbs per 12 ounces.

[Stugatz]

Don LeBatard what is the worst part of the life stuff?

[Dan LeBatard]

The worst part of the life of what?

[Stugatz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Billy]

This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit. This is behind the bit.

[Chris Cody]

We take you back to a better.

[Stugatz]

Time in the show's history. A time, at least for me, where I was happiest because we were at espn. It is now time to chat with my favorite, more talented song, Lebo. Aside from being a world famous artist, check it [e-mail] he has also never willingly attended the sporting event. Let's test Lebot sports knowledge. So again, Leboart.com is where you go. And we have some, some questions here for Lebo. He knows very little. The game just makes me happy. It does. It does. Made you happy for years. And keep in mind, my brother doesn't have time for this nonsense that we have to do around here. So we are grateful for his time today. Dave, who is Joe Burrow? Joe Burrow, with the preface of that I know very little. I guess that doesn't add have that.

[Lebo]

Much expectation to it.

[Stugatz]

Joe. Joe Burrow is a professional football coach.

[Lebo]

Actually an amateur football player, but close.

[Stugatz]

In the realm, it seems like to be a professional, it's a bit of a moral victory for good. Coach's name though. Joe Barrow.

[Chris Cody]

It is.

[Stugatz]

It is a good name. What is the name of the NBA team in Milwaukee? The Brewers. Close, right? I mean, he had something. He had something there. Can you name an SEC football team? An sec.

[Lebo]

I can't.

[Stugatz]

An SEC football team?

[Lebo]

The Cobras.

[Stugatz]

He looked at me like, what is the sec?

[Lebo]

The Auburn Cobras.

[Stugatz]

That's a good. Cobras is a good guess.

[Lebo]

War Cobras.

[Stugatz]

What sport does Ed Orgeron coach? Hockey. Very aggressive and confident. It's a French name. It's a French name. It's a good guess. It's a good reason for the guess. Yeah.

[Lebo]

He's with the Nordiques.

[Stugatz]

What team does. What team does LeBron James play for? Cleveland.

[Lebo]

You're stacking up the partial points. Partial points.

[Stugatz]

You're the man that knows nothing. Give any last name of an athlete who has the first name of Cam.

[Lebo]

I know this one actually.

[Stugatz]

You guys. Newton. Oh, yay. Ask me why. Thank you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dan, can you tell us how this.

[Stugatz]

Bit came to be? My brother was always looking for ways for me to take more chances and was trying to teach me that it was okay to show your ass and be vulnerable. And so he, he was always somebody who was wondering why it is that I wasn't pushing the boundaries more. And so he was trying to encourage me to do that in a way that was funny and exposed you know, exposed him into looking like a fool. And just to embrace the idea of being a fool, I'm still shocked he knew the brewers, like, anytime he got the answer wrong, but at least he was a baseball team. The guesses were exceptional. The one that I remember the most when I think of these with my brother is how excited he was because he thought he knew one, right? He's like, who was the. The question was, who was the shortstop for the New York Yankees? And he was all excited. Like, I know this one. I know this one. Eric Jeter.

[Lebo]

It was interesting hearing Lebo's voice there. Lebo's. Dan's at the time. Way more famous brother, way more successful brother. Great painter and a really great friend of mine.

[Stugatz]

I love the segment so much because I always. I remember thinking to myself a couple things. One, Lebo got so excited when he got one right. He was so happy. Yes. When he would guess and get one right. But I remember thinking to myself, lebo is doing something so cool, unique, and different with his life. And we're sitting at a table talking about Eric Jeter. That's right. That is correct. That's right. Boldly creative while we sit in a cramped studio filled with colorful regret. Colorful only because he put it there. The coolest stuff in that studio. All of it, right? He's the coolest thing in that studio, and he made all of the coolest things in that studio.

[Lebo]

It was kind of conceived by Dan. Hey, my brother knows nothing about sports. Can we. Can we use that? How can we make this a character on this show? Because Dan's family life has always been canon on our show, so I enjoyed the challenge of crafting an entertaining segment around a man who's never willingly attended a sporting event.

[Stugatz]

Do you have a favorite Lebo moment on the show?

[Lebo]

Quite honestly, I think it's the fun that we had around that. There were plenty of activations that we had where he was. Would be painting Roy or be painting someone else in the show. But it always. Anytime we had him in studio, even if he was there to do something else, we always took the opportunity to kind of quiz his sports knowledge professionally. Those are some of my fondest memories of Lebow.

[Stugatz]

They absolutely had fun doing this bit. When we were local, he used to do it on the phone. So, you know, he called in and it was. It was great. But the other thing was, like, he also used to do the. This bit called the Mind Bender, where he would come up with riddle or situations. What would you do in this particular situation that Was fun. He came in and he did artwork. He did artwork of me wearing nothing. My brother has arrived to. To do an artist's rendering of. Of Roy, very expensively. Sarah Spain. This really backfired on Sarah Spain. Roy is Ripp man. Sam.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you have that painting still?

[Stugatz]

No, it was auctioned. It was auctioned.

[Lebo]

Somebody.

[Stugatz]

It's hanging in somebody's bedroom right now. How do you feel about that? What am I gonna do? I mean, it made money, so hooray.

[Lebo]

He became a character. When we were audio only, and I believe we were doing man who's never willingly attended a sporting event and mind benders, that was another thing where Lebo would create these minds. Mindbender type questions.

[Stugatz]

And now it's time for Lebo's mind bender. The mind bender, really? Like, that's what we do on the imaging. Well, we made the. The Mindbender opening when we cared about the show. Yeah. When people tried. When people tried on the production elements of this show, overdone though they may be. What do you have for us, Lebo? Well, I'm gonna start off with what could be the most minimal mindbender today. And that is. Would you rather be a cat or a dog? Wow. Really? Wow. Really? This approved? Was. Was this.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, my.

[Stugatz]

Wow. Is it the lack of thought Lebo.

[Chris Cody]

Gave to the Mindbender too?

[Stugatz]

I mean, big one. Jeez. Was this approved? As if there's a committee. There's gotta be a screening process. There has to be. Because, Dave, I mean, last time I think you threw up a couple of duds. And we said, hey, you got to come stronger next. I mean, you promised. Really would. And it's Team Mike and I worked on. Rather be a cat or a dog? I don't know. Cats are self sufficient. Dogs are really taken care of. They want what I'd rather be a dog. Yeah, pretty much. Let's go. Let's move on to the next one. Let's just move on to the next one. Okay. Geez. What about Leva? Hold on. What would you rather be, a cat or a dog? I don't want to be anything now.

[Lebo]

I want to be off the phone.

[Stugatz]

Dan, do you think your brother knew.

[Dan LeBatard]

More about sports than you know about art?

[Stugatz]

Art? He and I would have no chance on an art show where they're asking yourself. Yes. Who was the abstract artist? I imagine asking him a bunch of questions about Jackson Pollock. Go ahead, imagine it. Yes. Good. Tight end. That is a good name for a tight end. Jackson Pollock. I would take. I would. I would take him in my fantasy league. Just, just, just by name. First round.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do you remember when Lebo's art got.

[Stugatz]

Involved with the show?

[Lebo]

Art became a character on the show. When once we became visual, once we started showing up on Fusion and had the visual component to play with, it was easy to say who was going to be shaping the artistic direction of our show and templating that for future use.

[Stugatz]

What was your relationship with Lebo like?

[Lebo]

We were really tight. Like, you asked me what my favorite moments Lebo were and they weren't ever really in show. It was more hanging out with Lebo. Lebo is a. A really good ally for me. Early on as I struggled with the enormity of the executive producer role, Lebo in many ways trusted me more than Dan did and saw that.

[Jeremy]

Jeremy, you know something about me, right? You know when I'm grilling outside and it's summertime? You know how I supplement my summertime?

[Dan LeBatard]

Of course I do.

[Jeremy]

I make it Miller time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Of course.

[Jeremy]

That beautiful white can. Oh, when it's so hot outside, I just. I just put it right to my forehead right there. And I just roll it sometimes right on the forehead, cool my body down, and then I crack it open. Instant relief. And then that first sip, brother, does that first sip.

[Dan LeBatard]

That is a top five sequence of events that you can possibly go through.

[Jeremy]

I'm just serenity now. When I just imagine that first sip of Miller Life, just thinking about it.

[Dan LeBatard]

It'S making me happy.

[Jeremy]

Dude, the sun is out. It's nice. You have your friends showing up. You got your family there. You just had your first sip of Miller Light. And you know what?

[Stugatz]

What?

[Jeremy]

You're happy. You're blissful. You're fulfilled. I've been stocking my cooler with Miller Lite four years and for good reason. It's brewed for taste only. 96 calories and 3.2 grams of carbs. This year, Miller Lite turns 50. That is five decades of cookouts, laughs, and ice cold moments that never miss. It's the original light beer and it's still my. Go to Miller Lite. Great taste. 96 calories. Go to millerlight.com dan to find delivery options near you, or you can pick up some Miller Lite pretty much anywhere they sell beer. Cheers to 50 years of Miller time. Celebrate responsibly. Miller Brewing Co. Milwaukee, Wisconsin. 96 calories and 3.2 carbs per 12 ounces.