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Hour 2: Trae Young Loved Highly Questionable (feat. Mina Kimes)
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- [00:00]
Dan Le Batard
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.
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Stugats
As if Pablo Torres investigating and journalism wasn't crazy enough. The Clipper story is so crazy that the episode before the one that dropped at 5am this morning. He reported that China is stealing Jannik Sinner's brainwaves. He reported that and no one noticed because of the Clipper stuff to possibly.
- [00:30]
Dan Le Batard
Train the soldiers of tomorrow.
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Stugats
Think about that for a second.
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Dan Le Batard
There's a which is great news if China ever declares war on Alcaraz.
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Stugats
The stealing of brainwaves is not journalism that other people are doing. China stealing the number one tennis player in the world's brainwaves.
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Dan Le Batard
Spain is well positioned here, I must say.
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Stugats
And no one's noticing because it's just like cheating over here. Kauai. The details on the Kawaii thing. The idea that you wouldn't get him to plant a tree that you wouldn't get him to do.
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Seth
Take a photo, dude.
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Jeremy
One Instagram post, you're good.
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Dan Le Batard
Yeah, right? That photo would live forever. Can you imagine him standing next to a freshly planted tree with a shovel in his hand? I'd buy that poster.
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Stugats
That Steve Ballmer would pay and have all the money in the world and still not be able to get this person to play. They should have just kept Shea, Gilgeous, Alexander. None of this would have happened.
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Dan Le Batard
They might be champions.
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Stugats
Zaslo and uh oh.
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Mina Kimes
Whoa.
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Stugats
Uh oh.
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Dan Le Batard
Dan, we have breaking football news. Um, as we talked about earlier when Chris Whittingham was joining us, there was a lot of positive momentum for Leo Messi to extend with Inter Miami. Michelle Kaufman is now officially reporting for the Miami Herald that Leo Messi has agreed to a multi year deal that she says in the article will be his final contract.
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Stugats
Look at that. So Miami will get the punctuation on that, right? I wonder what the money. I'd love to know what the dollars are with something like that because you can't pay too much for it, right? Like it's something that you want as a part of your product to build a stadium near the airport so that you can have soccer down here in South Florida as opposed to in Broward. And you've got the best player in the world and the best player ever. Like we can. It's either him or Pele, right? Those are your choices.
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Dan Le Batard
I mean, I never saw Pele really. So the best player I've ever seen is Leo Messi. And you know, he's done the things that people asked him to do to get to that level.
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Seth
That Stadium's gonna be pretty awesome, right?
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Dan Le Batard
It's gonna be pretty awesome. Terms are presently undisclosed. However, I believe through my own sourcing Dan, that we have given him opa loca. Is that all he has, Opa loca? Just Opelaka. Parts of West Kendall were still negotiating with Baptist.
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Stugats
Not bad. I would assume that he would take all of Key west and just keep asking for stuff.
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Dan Le Batard
Atapata, the presently in the hands of others.
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Stugats
Oh, okay.
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Dan Le Batard
But middle keys. Had Saudi come to the table, Correct. Maybe Islamorada, Lower Maticombi, perhaps.
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Stugats
Proper Maticombie with the arrogance only zsas could display. He just blew a bunch of lunch breath in my face, man, and said he loves lunch and just said, big surprise. Darren Waller ruled out tonight.
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Seth
Yeah. I don't know if you're aware, you know, just. He's not gonna have his services this evening. A big game in Buffalo, but he's not available.
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Stugats
That is true. We're gonna get to pitch clock. That's gonna be before the end of the show. And Mina Kimes is gon us as well, but we've got a Patrick Beverly and Trey Young beef to get to. Do you want to give any context here before we play some of the sound here? Why do Patrick Beverley and Trey Young have beef?
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Dan Le Batard
It's.
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Seth
Well, I don't know, but it's so good. Because I love it. Because that sport, the NBA, the players, they all love to hug and kiss before every game. I don't like that garbage. I like them. Players hate each other. All right, take me back to the 80s and 90s.
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Dan Le Batard
We.
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Seth
Where if you play for another team, screw you, man. And so we got a little bit of this here. I like it. So Pat Beverly, you know, he's got a podcast. Everyone's got a podcast, Dan. If you don't have a podcast, you're a huge loser. And Pat Beverly, he's got a podcast. And he.
- [04:26]
Stugats
He's.
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Seth
He's essentially. He's talking about Trey Young here because he. He's talking about how he was asked a question by fans. They're reading, like, mail, you know, and it's. Why don't players play hard in the All Star game? Let's hear.
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Patrick Beverley
I don't know. I don't think he's in a position to speak. I don't think he's one enough to even speak to me like that or tweet me like that. He's been to the playoffs three times. I've been to the playoffs nine.
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Seth
Nine is more than three.
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Patrick Beverley
He's Been in the NBA seven years. My first seven years, I didn't miss the playoffs at all.
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Stugats
Interesting in the Western Conference.
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Mina Kimes
Interesting, right?
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Patrick Beverley
His rebuttal is probably going to be yeah, you want the main player on the team. You're absolutely right. But this is why it's a team. I talked to people who played in Atlanta. They don't want to play there.
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Trae Young
Why?
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Patrick Beverley
They don't think he's a good leader. They don't think he's a good teammate. This is not coming from me. This is coming from Joe Blow over here. Trey, you can score all the points you want, you can make all the money you want, you can have all the leading assists you want. You can do all that. If you don't win, that won't matter. If you don't win when you retire, they're going to forget your name fast too. I don't even think he has the wiggle room to talk about. Are you not playing hard for an all star game? You not like your playing in the playoffs?
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Mina Kimes
So what do you think his point is?
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Patrick Beverley
I don't know.
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Jeremy
I think he's trying to put himself above you.
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Patrick Beverley
I think so.
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Stugats
Put it on the poll please. Juju at Le B show bigger loser, person who doesn't have a podcast or person who walks into the rain with their own umbrella. Let's hear Trae Young's response to that.
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Trae Young
But wait, we got some more facts for you. And this has nothing to do with any of the guys legacies and players that I'm about to name because to be honest, I didn't really want to mention anybody's name in this because this is between me and you. You play with some big time players, my guy. You talk about winning and impact winning and all these things. You've been on some teams with some big time players. How about I go through a list of these guys, LeBron, Giannis, Kawhi, Leonard, Paul, George, Ant Man, Cat and we not even going to talk about how we celebrate play in wins. I win, play in games on the road and I'm ready to get to the playoffs. You win play in games at home and you standing on the scorers table acting like it's a championship. We celebrate wins different too.
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Seth
It's a good response by Trae Young.
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Dan Le Batard
It is and it should be noted they've gone equally both as far in the playoffs as one another. However, Trae Young has been the man on his conference runner up team where Pat Beverly, as Trae Young outlined has played with a lot of great players. That being said Pep Beverly does have the tenure in the NBA to be able to opine about what people think about Trey Young. And he's espousing things that people have said about Trey Young for a long time.
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Seth
Could we just acknowledge though, that when Pat Beverley says, I've been to playoffs this many times, you've been to playoffs this many times, that there's a little bit of a difference between Trae Young being the main dude on a team and Pat Beverley being like the seventh or eighth guy on a different team every year. Because for whatever reason, however high Pat Beverley thinks of himself, no one wants to sign him to a multi year deal.
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Stugats
Patrick Beverley thinks very highly of himself. There are very few players in the history of the league who have made themselves more famous while actually doing less in the way of production. Patrick Beverley has a name as an irritant, at least in part because he irritates everybody.
- [07:49]
Dan Le Batard
He should think highly of himself, too. He wasn't born with the gifts that Trae Young was born with. He wasn't that type of prospect. He was on the roster when the Big Three was formed and the Miami Heat said, you're not good enough to be on this team. And he took that and he made something of himself. And he listed all the times that he's been in the playoffs. He's been in the playoffs because he's been in the league longer and he had no right to be. He had to fight for his spot. So I think he's certainly entitled to his opinion. I would concede as someone that echoed that very same point. Trae Young has been the man there. But Pat Beverley, like, this is a shot for shot duel and they each made good points.
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Seth
I like it. I like when the players hate each other.
- [08:26]
Stugats
That's what the world needs, more hate these days. I think we can all agree on that.
- [08:30]
Dan Le Batard
There's not in sports possibly quite enough hate.
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Stugats
Trae Young's hair looked better there than it's ever looked. Also, that video, heavily edited, took a lot of takes on Trae Young. It seemed like that was not one take.
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Mike
Nah, it's not a lot of that. They want pacing, right? So it's just edited poorly. No, it's edited the way that people. You're not a young person. You don't understand young people. Just on the Internet, it's just choppy.
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Jeremy
We want this to be choppy.
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Mike
You want it to be as quick as possible. There are no spaces in between where you're hemming and hawing. It's chop, chop, chop, chop, chop, we're getting to it.
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Dan Le Batard
This is like the early days of highly questionable. You guys did the same thing.
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Mina Kimes
Oh, yeah.
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Stugats
That lasted less than a week. They took the feedback and Eric Reidholm, the producer, changed that. We were doing like a Max Headroom thing that was heavily, heavily. He was way ahead of the curve.
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Mike
Ahead of the curve on that.
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Stugats
That's how young people wanted it. But it was too want it that way. We were super edited for two days. Super edited. And then they immediately bailed on the entire concept.
- [09:25]
Seth
Do you think when Trey Young recorded that yesterday that he said to, like, the guys, like, I want it to look like highly questionable his first week.
- [09:31]
Stugats
His hair does look great there. We're in agreement, right? His. His hair looks terrible when he's playing, but here, his hair looks impeccable. It was weird to me to see that hair walk into Madison Square Garden and slay Madison Square Garden and enjoy the slaying of Madison Square Garden. Trey Young might be the worst defensive player in the league. If it's not Tyler Herro. What happened? I hurt your feelings? What was that sound? What was that sound?
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Seth
Oh, man.
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Stugats
What? What? They're bad defensive players that. You guys are going to dispute that.
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Dan Le Batard
No.
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Stugats
Who's disputing that?
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Dan Le Batard
No one.
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Jeremy
I'll ask a mean who the worst defensive player in the league is.
- [10:08]
Seth
I mean, I think Tyler Hero is better defending than Luka.
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Stugats
Okay.
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Dan Le Batard
Isn't that who Tyler Hero compared himself to? He's like. I view myself on the lines of Luca and Trey Young and.
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Mina Kimes
And John Morant.
- [10:19]
Dan Le Batard
And now my podcast with altitude on it. Clearly he meant just bad defending.
- [10:23]
Stugats
Mina Kimes is going to join us in a moment. And as I mentioned, pitch clock is going to be here at the end of the show. I know none of you care, but Blake Snell continues to be unhittable. I believe he's in his last 13 innings. It's no runs in 23 strikeouts last night. The Dodgers are talking about Shohei Ohtani coming out of the bullpen.
- [10:42]
Dan Le Batard
Man, Dave Roberts definitely did not pull him from that game early.
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Stugats
That was funny yesterday where Dave Roberts goes to the mound in the seventh inning and Blake sn up, I think three nothing at the time has got two runners off. And Blake Snell's like, get out of here. Just. Just get out of here. I don't want you here. And then Dave Roberts scampered back to the duck out.
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Mike
It's fun when managers actually listen to the pitcher on that. I remember a few years ago, Sandy Alcantra in his Cy Young Season Maddingly walks out, and he just starts shaking his head no. And this is in Busch Stadium. And he goes, all right. Walks right back to the dugout. After talking to him, it was incredible.
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Jeremy
I have a response from Amin about the worst defensive player in the NBA.
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Stugats
That was quick.
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Jeremy
I said, who's the worst offensive player in the NBA? His response, probably Joe Ingles.
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Stugats
Oh, that's good. You know what? He's got me beat. But he doesn't play. He doesn't play anymore. Like, okay, ask him for the second worst then.
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Dan Le Batard
Your dad calls him Joe Ingles.
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Stugats
Yeah, that's the way it should be pronounced in Spanish or in English. Joe Ingles is exactly what it should be. When you guys think about what's happening with Tom Brady. I know Mike's got a lot of objections to things I've said around here recently, and I want to ask Mina about this when she gets here. The Tom Brady in the press box or in the coach's box with a headset. To me, that wasn't as offensive as him with a headset and a suit. That did not look right to me. Well, it's wrong. It's fundamentally wrong to have the guy who's doing the coordinator work in a headset, be wearing a tie, be wearing a suit. There was something.
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Seth
They wore a collared shirt with the team emblem on the.
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Stugats
It can't be a suit.
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Jeremy
He just looked awkward, like, pulling. He was like, I want both ears covered.
- [12:26]
Dan Le Batard
He knew it, too. He was looking around like, I don't fit.
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Jeremy
It would have been like, how are you guys sitting?
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Stugats
As odd. If he had been in a tux, in a full tuxedo, it would have struck me.
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Jeremy
Stepbrothers when they're getting interviewed.
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Dan Le Batard
I think my frustration on the. On the Tom Brady conversation is we should have been having this weeks ago when it was announced that he would now be allowed in these meetings, in these production meetings with players and coaches. And that is a huge red flag because he'd be meeting presumably with teams that are on the Raiders schedule, and he'd be asking about schematics, about insights on the team and team dynamics that would undoubtedly be helpful to the Raiders. And you can have plausible deniability and say, well, he's not as involved with the Raiders. What have you been paying attention to the entire summer? Like, Pete Carroll's calling him his boss. He's very. He very much, even though he only owns 5%, wants to be perceived as a very involved minority owner in the Las Vegas Raiders. And as evidence, he was in the box. And I find it hilarious that the most obvious thing in the world happened and it just took him being shown on camera for the whole thing to be undone immediately. The league says he's not allowed in those production meetings anymore.
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Stugats
Duh.
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Dan Le Batard
This was there. What? There's a reason why you did this last year and everybody, including your partner, was complaining he's not good on the broadcast. Which, by the way, maybe that ship has sailed because that was like the one hope. Well, he's not in these production meetings. Certainly he'll be improved second year doing it. And then they announced this whole plan that was dumb from the jump and completely undone with a finger snap. Did people need to see it to know that this was a problem? I guess so.
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Jeremy
I got a response from Amin. I wrote second worst and he wrote there's a lot of shitty defenders that I don't know. It lines up nice and neat as a clear number two. So he gave me three names with question marks as his nominees for the. For the second worst. Trey Young, question mark. George Niang, question mark. Michael Porter Jr. Question mark.
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Seth
See, there's already four guys.
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Stugats
Take it back.
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Seth
You know what? Sounds like Tyler Hero might be a good defender.
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Stugats
George Neang.
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Dan Le Batard
I knew that would be the name. How many Big 12 basketball games we have action on George Niang there, pal.
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Stugats
I can't dispute George Niang. You got me there. We started earlier in the show. We didn't know what P's and Q's were. Do any of you know when Mike says huge red flag, do you know why there's a huge red flag? Like, what is a red flag? I know what the expression means, but I don't know the starting point of why it is there would be a red flag.
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Dan Le Batard
Can I venture a guess? As a child of Windows 97, I assumed because of the game Minesweeper on Windows 97 that they would plant red flags wherever there was a mine. So that's what I've told myself is the origin of it. Jeremy, can you look this up?
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Stugats
That's pretty good. That's a pretty good guess.
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Dan Le Batard
I mean, there's plenty. I'm sure it's a signal for distress. People use flags all the time. I know the hurricane warning flag is in red in part. So red usually means warning.
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Stugats
Those are two good nominees. I for some reason thought it was piratey. I thought that the red flag had something to do with pirate ships and warning on pirate ships.
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Mike
There are several different reasons. Like now they'll sometimes put one at an outdoor shooting range. But seemingly originally this is because a red flag is frequently flown by armed forces to warn the public of live fire exercises in progress.
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Stugats
Okay, thank you, Mina Kimes. Next.
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- [18:55]
Seth
Don LeBatard John can you rate my Al Pacino from that billiard scene in Carlito's Way if I do it for you? I think it's pretty good.
- [19:03]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah.
- [19:03]
Seth
Okay.
- [19:04]
Dan Le Batard
Stugats.
- [19:05]
Seth
You think you're big time when you're gonna die big time.
- [19:14]
Mike
That is on my infamous scale of 1 to 10.
- [19:19]
Dan Le Batard
That's a. That's a 7.6 solid. That's a suey nominee right there. Good. Seth this is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.
- [19:42]
Stugats
Mina Kimes is here and we will bounce around the league with her. But let's talk about tonight's game. I was saying earlier in the show, Mina, that I thought the biggest mismatch in the entire league is Bill's offense against Dolphins defense. I defy you. I defy you to find a mismatch. Give me a mismatch that you would say in the hypothetical. Not even one that's actually happening, but just a mismatch I can put on the field that would feel anything like that.
- [20:06]
Mina Kimes
Maybe when the Ravens offense goes up against the Bengals defense, but early on, Dolphins defense looks worse. I the thing about the Dolphins defense that's so dispiriting is we knew that the secondary was going to be bad. Right? The pass rush is supposed to be good. They got everybody healthy. They got Chuck Robinson, they got Jalen Phillips, they got Bradley Chubb and they're not getting pressure and they're not able to compensate for what's going on the back end. It could be very ugly tonight.
- [20:34]
Stugats
What do you make of the fact that I don't have the numbers right in front of me, but I think over the last, I don't know, I'm gonna say two years that Patrick Mahomes has three 320 yard games and so does Jake Browning.
- [20:51]
Mina Kimes
I think that wide receivers matter would be My take Jake Browning, because I've been revisiting this obviously since we're going to be watching him for a while, was actually pretty decent in the second half of 2023 when he played. This was an L for me because, you know, I'm a Washington Huskies fan. I did not think he would be good in the NFL at all and he really impressed me that year. I'm not saying he's like an above average NFL starting quarterback by any means, but I thought the offense was pretty good. Jamar Ch was excellent in those games and you know, Patrick Mahomes has been. I mean that offense is failing for a number of reasons, but right now he's playing with probably the worst receiver group in football and turns out the quarterback, while the most important player maybe in any sport, can only do so much.
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Stugats
Joe Burrow plays a bit of a reckless style. He has been hit a lot more than Andrew Luck was hit during the time frame that made Andrew Lucky retire. What do you make of Joe Burrow perpetually getting injured because of the way that he plays?
- [21:55]
Mina Kimes
It's sometimes hard to know how to assign blame when we talk about quarterback injuries, but I think your point about Burrow versus Luck is notable because I think with Luck it was so obviously error to circumstances. And I think with Burrow it's a little bit more of a mixed picture. Obviously the offensive line hasn't been good and he compensates for it in a lot of ways. And when he throws the ball very quickly, this offense is great. But I would say earlier in his career in particular, he took way too many sacks and some of them were on him. So when we look at like the number of hits he's taken over the years, he is not entirely blameless through some of that. But you know, he's not the biggest factor by any means. It's still the offensive line.
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Seth
Mina, what have you made of the discourse surrounding Mike McDaniel lately?
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Mina Kimes
I think it's weird and I think there's like a personal tone to some of it that is a little bit I don't love if I'm being honest. And I say that as someone who thinks, you know, McDaniel is not above blame. I think the run game stalling out the way it has, the way it did last year in particular, he deserves a lot of criticism for that. However, this is an offense that is limited because of personnel decisions and a defense that is just bad. Mostly also because of personnel decisions in my and I'm not this is I know people are going to Say, well, you know, the nerds defending the nerds. This is not me saying that Mike McDaniel deserves to keep his job or that he's done a great job. But to my eye, Chris Greer, the GM of the Dolphins, is so clearly the biggest problem in Miami. I don't know what the discourse is like around him, but I feel like he should be at the top of people's tongues more than the coach who is, I think, trying to coach around the limitations of the players that they have.
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Stugats
What in the league is the second team you would point to where you would say it is super strange that Chris Greer still has a job given that he's the longest tenured GM to not have a playoff victory. Like, what, What. How distant is second place there in terms of confus that the pressure isn't on the general manager there? When a lot of people say it's.
- [24:11]
Mina Kimes
The architecture, it's not that distant. I would say Mickey Loomis with the New Orleans Saints is right there with him as a guy who I think deserves a lot of criticism for how that team is. The approach that he took his hagan to team building now for several years and the state of the Saints roster. I mean, it's kind of crazy to me that he kind of flies into the radar for all of the bad decisions, bad drafts. He had like a couple of really banger drafts, like 10 years ago, more than 10 years ago, I think. And no, not more than 10 years ago. Actually, it was less than that. But anyways, he has made some really brutal decisions in New Orleans. Those are the two names that come to mind when I look at those teams. And I think, wow, these GMs have their fingerprints all over these teams and have made some really debilitating errors.
- [25:00]
Stugats
When you think of it being personal with the Mike McDaniel criticism, because I do feel like some of this is cavemen who are threatened by computers. But let's look here or hear some sound from McDaniel. He doesn't help himself here.
- [25:15]
Jeremy
To win games, you have to win.
- [25:16]
Mina Kimes
The game, not lose the game. I mean, you could take that quote from like any coach. I don't. I've never felt like his press conferences have never really, like, so annoying. Yeah, I've never. Even when they were winning. It's funny though, like, winning covers everything up. I've never felt like, oh, I loved.
- [25:36]
Jeremy
It when we were winning. It was charming.
- [25:40]
Mina Kimes
I think football culture does not like perceived outsiders. And when you don't look or sound like a traditional football person. Second, that you fail, there are people who will turn on you quicker than they would if he was just X. You know, a former player who looks and sounds like a traditional head coach. But the other thing I would say is, you know, it's not like he's an analytics guy. He is a former college player and I think of architect of a pretty interesting offense that was. That's definitely run stale, but a lot of it has to do with players as well. In any case, I actually think like the way he looks and sounds is inflecting a lot of this.
- [26:22]
Stugats
Let's go ahead and speed Mina up so we can get to as much football as possible because we want a lot of football from her. What is more accurate CJ Stroud has regressed or CJ Stroud suffers from pressure up the middle?
- [26:36]
Mina Kimes
CJ Stroud suffers from pressure. That's not to say though, he's blameless for some of that pressure.
- [26:40]
Stugats
Look at how good she's gotten it fast. You guys have noticed the tush push bad for football, yes or no?
- [26:48]
Mina Kimes
Yes. Even though I'm not saying that it should be banned, but it's not entertaining.
- [26:53]
Seth
How good is Baker Mayfield?
- [26:56]
Mina Kimes
Good, good. Not elite, but good.
- [26:58]
Stugats
Name the quarterbacks in the league you trust more than Baker Mayfield on a drive late in the game.
- [27:05]
Dan Le Batard
Sure.
- [27:05]
Mina Kimes
Josh Allen, Lamar Jackson, Patrick Mahomes, Justin Herbert, Jaden Daniels, Joe Burrow. If he's healthy, those are the mates. Matthew Stafford. What do you Jalen hurts.
- [27:18]
Stugats
What do you do? Oh, Jalen hurts late as well. You've got Jalen hurts driving right down the field late. Not no front runner in him like Lamar Jackson where they can get far ahead. But I don't think of Lamar Jackson as he's gonna do what Aaron Rodgers or Russell Wilson or what those guys, you know, I don't think of him as Patrick Mahomes hating ass hater.
- [27:35]
Dan Le Batard
Comments right now from Mina Kimes hating.
- [27:37]
Mina Kimes
Ass hater said what I said.
- [27:40]
Dan Le Batard
I mean Jalen hurts when. When dare I say how well he.
- [27:48]
Mina Kimes
He'S had the two best games of his career in the most high profile games possible in the Super Bowls. What are you talking about?
- [27:54]
Dan Le Batard
And he didn't have to come back in the final minute like Baker Mayfield had too. Baker Mayfield is the best at this. Baker Mayfield's incre. Here comes Steve Young in the final minutes.
- [28:03]
Mina Kimes
He also threw the ball on a two point conversion which like, like nobody acknowledged was like an insane thing to do. But whatever.
- [28:09]
Stugats
Worst offensive line in football.
- [28:13]
Mina Kimes
Oh, this is a tough competition right now. I'm going to go with Houston.
- [28:18]
Dan Le Batard
Is that just a bad organization? Because it feels like CJ Stroud has been in the league now for a couple seasons, and he's been more underwhelming than he's been awesome. He came out incredible. And the line was an issue last year remains an issue. And I'm, I'm starting to look at the top of this organization. I feel like they're either wasting this young man or we were wrong about the young man.
- [28:39]
Mina Kimes
They traded their best offensive lineman. I know he had a bunch of penalties, but whatever. And then they signed two free agents from, like two of the worst offensive lines by the end of the season, like two of the worst guard free agents available. And then they started them and we were supposed to think, okay, it'll just get better because they changed the offensive coordinator. Get out of here.
- [28:56]
Dan Le Batard
I hate watching them. It's one.
- [28:58]
Mina Kimes
It's so unpleasant and it's such a waste. The defense is so good. It's such a waste. It drives me crazy.
- [29:05]
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- [31:08]
Mina Kimes
Dan LeBatard did you get lost on the way to Home Depot today? Dan like what? What's going on with the platform?
- [31:15]
Dan Le Batard
Get his ass. Mina Stugats, you look like you're about.
- [31:19]
Mina Kimes
To ask me to like check the oil on my car or like come over and like look around and point things in my house that need to be fixed.
- [31:25]
Dan Le Batard
This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.
- [31:29]
Stugats
Atlanta Falcons what are they Frisky?
- [31:32]
Mina Kimes
Will compete for the NFC south, but I don't view them as a true contender in the nfc.
- [31:36]
Seth
Mina what's been the biggest overreaction through the first couple weeks?
- [31:40]
Mina Kimes
I would say that the Chiefs are dead in the water. I don't think that's true at all.
- [31:47]
Stugats
The offense is going to improve. Xavier Worthy is coming back. I wasn't impressed by what Xavier Worthy did last year as their deep threat, even though he's faster than everyone else on the field. He's going to come back and what's going to change?
- [32:01]
Mina Kimes
But the second half last season they were like kind of they figured out how to use him against man coverage and they stopped using as a deep throw. It was more like quick outs and motions. So that's going to help. The really big factor is Rasheed Rice turning in Week seven because he is a true number one wide receiver.
- [32:14]
Seth
Impressions of Ben Johnson through two games.
- [32:17]
Mina Kimes
I mean he's got to figure out that run game, man. I mean it's awful. It's a bottom three run game right now. Another, by the way, personnel decision that didn't make any sense to me. Sticking with DeAndre Swift, what is Caleb Williams work in progress? He is. Let me revise that. Far from the biggest reason why the Chicago Bears are getting their butts kicked right now.
- [32:35]
Dan Le Batard
Is Aaron Rodgers closer to what he was in Week one? Or what he was in week two.
- [32:41]
Mina Kimes
Week one when he plays bad defenses, Week two, when he plays good defenses.
- [32:45]
Stugats
What is. Michael Pennick's a quarterback who I'd like.
- [32:49]
Mina Kimes
To see push the ball downfield more because he's got great arm talent. And thus far they've left like really been hampering that deep passing game.
- [32:56]
Stugats
Did you just call the Jets a bad defense?
- [32:59]
Mina Kimes
Yeah, they're awful.
- [33:00]
Stugats
What happened?
- [33:01]
Mina Kimes
It's been a multi year thing. Talent erosion. But like right now it's like busted coverages all over. This is the thing with Aaron Glenn that's confusing me so much. The defense should be so much better than they are.
- [33:10]
Seth
Will Tyreek Hill play for the Dolphins tonight and the Chiefs on Sunday?
- [33:15]
Mina Kimes
I don't think so.
- [33:16]
Dan Le Batard
Who's a better coach in football? All ranks of football. Pete Carroll or Jim Harbaugh?
- [33:24]
Mina Kimes
Right now it might be Jim Harbaugh, but I don't know if that's true. Over the course of their entire careers.
- [33:31]
Stugats
What has Jim Harbaugh done that makes that Chargers secondary and defense so Stifling hired Jesse Minter. That's it.
- [33:40]
Seth
I don't know.
- [33:40]
Mina Kimes
Yeah, dude, he's not coach of the.
- [33:42]
Stugats
Defense, but I'm just saying that's it. That's all he. That's. The Chargers defense is the reason they are winning. Like that's. They. They are.
- [33:51]
Mina Kimes
Well, week one, the offense was awesome. People love Jim. I mean, it's funny because, right. Like we talked about Mike McDaniel and like the vibes people. People love Jim Harbaugh so much because he's such like a football guy. And I feel like everybody wants to give him credit for every part of that team. I mean, you know, Jesse Mater is a defensive credit and he was his coach in Michigan, so he deserves credit for hiring him.
- [34:09]
Stugats
What are the Vikings.
- [34:13]
Mina Kimes
Team that's gonna miss playoffs?
- [34:16]
Stugats
Do you believe in J.J. mcCarthy?
- [34:18]
Mina Kimes
Not yet.
- [34:20]
Stugats
Yeah, I don't either.
- [34:21]
Mina Kimes
Show me more.
- [34:22]
Stugats
Do you. Do you believe that o' Connell has a skill? Like if you had to give me three coaches who have a skill of making quarterbacks. Who are those three coaches?
- [34:33]
Mina Kimes
Shoot. I would say making quarterbacks. Kyle Shanahan, Sean McVeigh.
- [34:44]
Dan Le Batard
Shane Steichen. Apparently.
- [34:45]
Mina Kimes
Apparently Shane Steichen. Yeah. That's been a crazy story, but o', Connell, you gotta see it.
- [34:50]
Seth
Now, when should we see Jackson Dart?
- [34:54]
Dan Le Batard
Probably week 10. Who wins, Steelers or Patriots?
- [34:59]
Mina Kimes
I win Steelers in this one, but that's not because I'm high on the Steelers.
- [35:03]
Stugats
What has surprised you most? The first two weeks of the season?
- [35:06]
Mina Kimes
Season freaking Daniel Jones. There's no other answer. It's Daniel Jones and. And I. I've taken the L on this already. It's not that I think Daniel Jones is going to continue to play the level that he has. I think that some of this is going to come down to earth. The play under pressure, the pushing the ball downfield, that's just not who he's been over the course of his career. But the accuracy underneath has enabled this offense to go and they've got a bunch of incredible weapons. I mean, Tyler Warren has been absolutely a beast for them. And Shane Steichen's pretty damn good at his job.
- [35:32]
Stugats
The second best running back in the league is blank.
- [35:37]
Mina Kimes
John Robinson.
- [35:38]
Stugats
What is Drake May promising?
- [35:42]
Mina Kimes
Played really well this week. It's going to be up and down.
- [35:45]
Dan Le Batard
Ashton Genti looks small, would you agree?
- [35:50]
Mina Kimes
I don't think his size is why he's not having like overwhelming success thus far. Also, Bucky Irving's small and he's shredding it in Tampa.
- [35:58]
Dan Le Batard
But Bucky Irving is good in pass protection, it would appear. I mean, Genti's got getting rolled. It feels like more size would help him, but it definitely looks a lot different in the pros than it did in Boise. No.
- [36:08]
Mina Kimes
Yeah. Well, that's what happens when you join a team with a bad offensive line. I'm never getting drunk on running backs again. In the draft, watching the Chargers and the Raiders, I was just like, I knew this was going to be an up and down thing and I knew offensive line mattered. And yeah, mad at myself.
- [36:24]
Seth
Should the league move the field goal post closer together? Mina, no kickers are too good.
- [36:32]
Mina Kimes
Are they? I love long field goals. Is that crazy? Am I. Is it wrong for me to be inner? Like when Brandon Aubrey lined up? Were you guys not entertained as football? Forget the football fans. I was, yeah.
- [36:45]
Stugats
Where would I have to put the ball down for you to say Aubrey can't make it from there?
- [36:51]
Mina Kimes
Great question. I would say anything over number 70 is when I start to get a little bit nervous, but anything in the 60s, I think that dude's banging it.
- [37:01]
Seth
In a little bit. Nervous a little bit.
- [37:03]
Jeremy
Is he already the best kicker ever?
- [37:08]
Mina Kimes
You're gonna. It's gonna have to be longevity to hit that award. But like hitting from distance the way he has, I mean, he's, he's gonna be in the conversation.
- [37:17]
Stugats
What is Cam Ward exciting.
- [37:21]
Mina Kimes
Putting some really fun throws on tape every week, playing behind terrible pass protection. That's got to improve for me to take this team seriously. But I've enjoyed watching his tape every week.
- [37:29]
Stugats
You didn't have Jordan Love latent games when we asked you the Baker Mayfield question.
- [37:35]
Mina Kimes
That's true. I didn't think about him. I think that the offense is so good that I would bet on them, but individually, I think Love's a little bit inconsistent. The Packers, I like him, though, A lot.
- [37:44]
Stugats
The packers are the blank best team in the league.
- [37:52]
Mina Kimes
Best.
- [37:53]
Dan Le Batard
Whoa, Nice.
- [37:55]
Stugats
What just happened there?
- [37:58]
Dan Le Batard
Are they going to feel this injury, though? Because they've navigated Watts and they're sneaky deep at wide receiver. But Jaden Reed has been their best wide receiver over the the last few seasons. Certainly most consistent and most available. He's out for some time.
- [38:10]
Mina Kimes
Yeah, but they're so close to hitting it with wide receiver. With Matthew golden, like, they're just. Him and Jordan Love are, like, just a little bit far apart.
- [38:17]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, he's got, like, crazy separation stats. Right. And it's just like, the timing's not.
- [38:21]
Mina Kimes
Right, but that'll get there. And then they got so many other weapons. Tucker Kraft is, like, now making a case for himself to be one of the best tight ends in the league. The run game is good. They haven't even been healthy on the offensive line. And the defense is just. I mean, that's the best defense in football.
- [38:35]
Stugats
I think you can only have one. One and one. Only Micah Parsons or Miles Garrett. Garrett.
- [38:42]
Mina Kimes
Miles Garrett by, like, the hair, the thinnest of hairs. He has quietly been unbelievable this season. But it's the Browns, so no one cares.
- [38:49]
Stugats
Neighbors is the blank best receiver in the league.
- [38:53]
Mina Kimes
Oh, gosh, I don't know. I'd have to. He's not in the top eight, so maybe. Maybe top 10 to 12, huh?
- [39:00]
Stugats
Whoa.
- [39:01]
Mina Kimes
I'd have to. Really? I mean. I mean, maybe he's top. No, he's definitely top 10. He stopped him.
- [39:06]
Stugats
Well, what I saw against Dallas, like, they seemed to be real. What Diggs did trying. He was covered. He was covered on both of those touchdowns. Diggs is reaching in there and he punches the football, but it doesn't move. Like Mina. I'm legitimately confused.
- [39:22]
Mina Kimes
Okay, Sorry. Let's do this. Okay, so Chase Jefferson, Neighbors, A.J. brown, Amon Ross, St. Brown. Those are five receivers who are better than Malik Neighbors that I just named.
- [39:36]
Stugats
Give me. Give me a combination that is better, that has better chemistry. Okay, you're not allowed to choose Kelsey and Mahomes in their history than St. Brown and Goff.
- [39:49]
Mina Kimes
Joe Burrow and Jamar Chase.
- [39:52]
Stugats
Yeah, it's a good choice. Who's the best LSU receiver ever then.
- [39:57]
Mina Kimes
I don't. That's still. It's still such a work in progress. That's still. Yeah.
- [40:02]
Dan Le Batard
Who's better, Ja' Marr Chase or Justin Jefferson? Let's pin you down here.
- [40:06]
Mina Kimes
Used to be Jefferson by. I'm still gonna stick with Jefferson, but it's very close and they just. They bring different things to the table. I think Chase is more QB proof, though.
- [40:17]
Dan Le Batard
Have you had an eye towards the NFL draft? Yeah. Seems like a down year for quarterbacks in college football.
- [40:23]
Stugats
Football.
- [40:23]
Dan Le Batard
Is there any quarterback that may stake its claim to number one overall?
- [40:28]
Mina Kimes
I mean, I like that kid Mater. I'm saying his name right? But yeah, I think this is one where it's a good reminder to that whole, like, oh, next year's gonna be the best draft ever. I've got to pump the brakes on that every year. But I think some of these guys are gonna look better at the end of the season than they do now.
- [40:43]
Seth
Will the Miami Dolphins have a top three pick?
- [40:46]
Mina Kimes
No.
- [40:48]
Stugats
Grab one of the books on the shop behind you and give us a one minute book report.
- [40:53]
Mina Kimes
Okay, let's go with appropriate right now. Billy Lynn's Long Halftime Walk, one of my favorite books ever about not just the NFL, but like the NFL and like the NFL utilitary industrial complex and all of the patriotism surrounding football. It's about a soldier returning from war who goes to a Dallas Cowboys game. It's a excellent book.
- [41:15]
Jeremy
And she actually read it.
- [41:17]
Mina Kimes
Yeah, it's not like movies. I actually have read every single book behind me.
- [41:23]
Seth
Will Darren Waller play tonight?
- [41:25]
Mina Kimes
Martyr, my friend wrote this.
- [41:26]
Jeremy
No pride of the lines.
- [41:27]
Stugats
What are you doing? What? Darren. Darren Waller's out tonight. Zazlow's an asshole. He's got lunch breath. And I want to do a book report with you every week. Okay, let's do that.
- [41:37]
Mina Kimes
Oh, I love that.
- [41:37]
Stugats
Zazlow clearly ran out of questions. Mina, good question. I don't know if he's playing you meet. You beat us that time. You beat us because you're getting very good at this game. Thank you for being on with us.
- [41:47]
Mina Kimes
Bye, guys. Everybody go read Martyr.
- [41:56]
Dan Le Batard
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