Hour 2: Walt Weiss Has a Black Belt

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 2: Walt Weiss Has a Black Belt

Date: April 8, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Host(s): Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Mike Ryan, Greg Cody, Michael Smith, Jeremy, Joe

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Episode Overview

This hour of the “Dan Le Batard Show” delivers a lively mix of NBA trade machinations, baseball brawls, tennis temper tantrums, and college basketball coaching moves. The hosts and regulars oscillate between playful banter and smart sports analysis, centering on the Celtics' surprising dominance without Tatum, the chaotic spectacle of MLB fights (with special focus on Walt Weiss's black belt heroics), and the implications of Michael Malone’s move to UNC. True to the show’s ethos, the episode blends insightful debate, incredulous hypotheticals, and memorable moments of comedic bravado.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA: Celtics, Giannis Trade Speculation, and Front Office Boldness

(Begins ~01:42)

• Celtics’ Aggressive Front Office & Potential Moves

  • Dan praises Boston's executive evolution, likening their front office ambition to the Spurs and OKC.
  • Brad Stevens’s transition from coach to GM is highlighted as emblematic of Boston’s dynastic vision.
  • Quote (Dan): "That town has been very lucky with its executives. Theo Epstein, very young, ends up winning titles... Brad Stevens makes the journey from an unusual journey at his age... when you could be the beneficiary of everything that's happening here as the coach. But you wanted to be in the front office." (02:12)

• Giannis Antetokounmpo Trade Hypotheticals

  • Discussion on whether Boston would, or should, trade Jaylen Brown (coming off an MVP season) for Giannis.
  • Mike Ryan and Michael Smith emphasize the rarity and difficulty of landing Giannis without parting with Brown or Tatum, noting the contracts and market realities.
  • The crew debates whether supporting cast and picks (à la Pritchard, Derrick White) could tempt Milwaukee, but ultimately, unless Boston parts with a superstar, the deal seems improbable.
  • Age, contracts, and asset pools from other teams like the Knicks and Heat are compared—concluding Boston's "pie in the sky" ideas might not match reality.
  • Quote (Michael Smith): "If they put [Jaylen Brown] on the table, like, that's an easy win for Milwaukee..." (04:26)

• Surprising Celtics Season

  • High praise for Boston’s resilience given Tatum’s Achilles injury and their league-best record.
  • Shock at how dominant they've remained, comparing their mathematical three-point strategy to a form of inevitability in seven-game series.
  • Quote (Dan): "For all that Atlanta and Detroit have improved, ...most of the people listening to this thought that this was not going to be something that the Celtics were going to be able to overcome. The Tatum injury." (12:05)

Timestamps:

• Celtics/Front Office/Giannis talk: 01:42 – 14:17

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2. Baseball: The Jorge Soler-Reynaldo Lopez Fight & Walt Weiss’s Takedown

(Begins ~17:31)

• Breakdown of the Fight

  • Dan narrates the wild altercation between Jorge Soler and Reynaldo Lopez, focusing on Lopez comically throwing punches without dropping the baseball from his pitching hand.
  • Walt Weiss, age 62 and a black belt in Taekwondo, delivers a surprisingly athletic (and controversial) NFL-style tackle to break things up.
  • Debate ensues: Is it more dangerous to punch while gripping a baseball? The consensus is that Lopez was acting out of fear and adrenaline, not logic.
  • The team references iconic past coach/player scuffles, notably Jeff Van Gundy’s infamous attachment to Alonzo Mourning’s leg.
  • Discussion about the form and implications of Weiss’s intervention—was it heroic or reckless?
  • Quote (Dan): "Walt Weiss did tackle him from behind at the legs. ...It was an NFL style tackle. And I haven't actually seen a coach or person of that age do exactly that since Jeff Van Gundy was hanging from the calf of Alonzo Mourning..." (20:20)

• Suspensions & Baseball Brawls Logic

  • Likely suspensions for throwing punches, whether or not the ball is in hand.
  • The visceral, illogical rage present in baseball (and life): "Crimes of anger or passion sometimes have a lot of lack of logic in them." (24:01)
  • Joke about form: “If you're entering a fight and trying to maximize damage, would you hold the baseball or discard it?” (22:51)

• Walt Weiss’s Martial Arts Credentials

  • Revelation that Weiss is a Taekwondo black belt, fueling debate over tackling form.
  • Some see Weiss as heroic; others worry about injury risk and managerial boundaries.

Timestamps:

• MLB Fight/Walt Weiss: 17:31 – 26:14

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3. Tennis Meltdowns: Medvedev’s Epic Racket-Smashing

(Begins ~27:33)

• Medvedev’s On-Court Tantrum
  • The hosts riff on the theater of tennis meltdowns—singling out Daniil Medvedev’s latest racket-smashing spectacle as the pinnacle.
  • The team mock-debates who could break a racket faster—Medvedev or Greg Cody, if given an attempt.
  • Comedic play as Greg brags about being able to smash a racket more efficiently than the pro, while everyone else doubts this very seriously.
  • Quote (Dan): "This is five times he has thrown a totally mangled racket. Six times. ...If you're going to break a racket, you got to do it right." (29:42)
  • Segment closes with the group assigning meaning to the physics of racket-breaking, and reveling in how tennis offers a unique space for personal, visible tantrums.

Timestamps:

• Medvedev/racket smashing: 27:33 – 32:58

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4. NCAA Basketball: Michael Malone Hired by North Carolina

(Begins ~32:58)

• The Michael Malone to UNC Narrative
  • Musing on fan perception—was the hire “desperate” for either party?
  • Analysis of job security: in college hoops, excellence (and program prestige) bring tenure, unlike the quick axing even NBA champions face professionally.
  • Quote (Mike Ryan): "The NBA outside of Miami and San Antonio—historically, it doesn't matter if you've won a championship. ...Whereas if you're successful...in college basketball, you have job security." (35:24)
  • Comparison of recruiting challenges now vs pre-NIL era: It's “easier” in that money talks, but there’s more chaos with families and outside voices now demanding payment.
  • Dan pushes back on the growing refrain that college sports are just like the pros, noting that NIL money has created problems pros don’t face (family pressure, constant transfers, lack of true control).
  • Quote (Dan): "Whatever your skill set is, whatever you think is special...none of that stuff matters. What matters is the uncle wants money, the mother wants money, the dad wants money, the brother wants money. ...You don't hear this in the pros." (38:24)
  • Debate over Malone’s real power: In the pros, players can get a coach fired. At North Carolina, Malone’s standing is unassailable by comparison, and he can “put together the Avengers year to year” via the transfer portal.

Timestamps:

• UNC/Michael Malone discussion: 32:58 – 43:49

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan, on the paradox of powerful NBA coaches vs. college:
  “Whatever your skill set is, whatever you think is special about what you do in terms of leadership development, none of that stuff matters. What matters is the uncle wants money, the mother wants money, the dad wants money, the brother wants money...” (38:24)
• Mike Ryan, on Celtics-Giannis trade: "Those players you just mentioned, polls NBA teams: Who would you rather have going from here on out, Jaylen Brown or Giannis?" (05:39)
• Michael Smith, on Walt Weiss: "Walt Weiss was basically tackling Derrick Henry...Jeremy just told me. Walt Weiss, a black belt, Taekwondo..." (24:06)
• Greg Cody, on racket-smashing technique: "It's not just about power. It's about angle and geometrics. ...You have to have your hand on that racket when it hits pavement. See, that's the key." (31:38)

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Segment Timestamps

• NBA/Celtics, Giannis, Boston’s Front Office: 01:42 – 14:17
• MLB Fight (Soler vs. Lopez), Walt Weiss tackle: 17:31 – 26:14
• Tennis/Medvedev meltdown: 27:33 – 32:58
• NCAA/Michael Malone to UNC: 32:58 – 43:49

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Tone and Style

The episode is classic “Le Batard Show”: irreverent, pop-culture savvy, and delighting in both absurd hypotheticals (fighting with baseballs in hand, racket-smashing competitions) and nuanced sports discussion. The hosts oscillate between sharp sports analysis and playful roast-style comedy, maintaining the show’s signature warmth, rapid-fire riffing, and off-the-cuff expertise.

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For Listeners Who Missed The Episode

• Expect thoughtful speculation on big sports moves and quirky deep dives into unexpected heroes (Walt Weiss, aged 62, Taekwondo black belt!).
• The hosts skewer—and celebrate—sports’ strangest moments, like on-field brawls and the cathartic chaos of tennis meltdowns.
• Through it all, the team probes the ever-shifting lines between college and pro sports, focusing on how money and power are changing the jobs and personalities involved.
• This hour is a microcosm of what makes the Le Batard Show unique: original angles, humorous digressions, and the ability to make any sports debate feel both riotous and meaningful.

Transcript

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[Don Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

You have heard for a while now Mike Ryan sort of yawn and say hey Boston Celtics, for all this talk of you are a winning franchise this particular century century. You have not done a lot of winning. Doc Rivers is living still off the championship he won when you had the greatest trio in the league. But the Celtics don't merely have five straight 50 win seasons and now 12 straight playoff seasons. They also have a front office that's been pretty aggressive the last few years and can be put in the class of the spurs and Oklahoma City. When you're talking about great architecture, that's not afraid. Brad Stevens has made a crazy evolution. That town has been very lucky with its executives. Theo Epstein, very young ends up winning titles with the Red Sox when he's uncommonly young. And Brad Stevens makes the journey from an unusual journey at his age from you could have been coaching all of this, but you decided to oversee it when you could be the beneficiary of everything that's happening here as the coach. But you wanted to be in the front office. And now Sam Amick is. They're interested in Giannis, and they are known to have interest and are seen in league circles as possible suitors. And that's someone that you would trade a Jaylen Brown for. And how much better are they going to do than a Jaylen Brown is that.

[Greg Cody]

Do you think they would. They would trade Jaylen Brown?

[Don Le Batard]

I wouldn't.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think.

[Michael Smith]

He's had an incredible season.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I'm not sure that they would. Giannis is 32.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, so wait a minute. So how many players are there in the league? I was not making. I. I was thinking that there might be three or four players in the league that you would not trade Giannis for, and Jaylen Brown was not one of them before this season. Now, you guys may have. Like Jay. My information is a little bit old in that I was looking at a Jalen Brown before Finals MVP who the Heat were able to force to his left and. And make him dribble, and they ended up completely altering the way that his game was. But, yes, I think Giannis is a better player than Jaylen Brown. Obviously, he's not younger than Jaylen Brown, but in order to make contracts work out, I don't think you. The Celtics could get. Do I have this wrong?

[Greg Cody]

You're probably right about that.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think the Celtics could get Giannis for anything less than either Tatum or Jaylen Brown. And the question I'm asking you guys after that is, are the Bucks going to do any better than someone like Jaylen Brown? If indeed the Celtics are interested in this?

[Michael Smith]

No. If they put that on the table, like, that's an easy win for Milwaukee to get Jaylen Brown obviously comes with a $300 million price tag between him and Jason Tatum. You're talking about $600 million, but they can't have all three. But if you're Milwaukee and you're looking at every package around the league and you're going, Jaylen Brown, who's completely, you know, redone his career from the outset of. He couldn't dribble left, and now he was an MVP candidate through the season, like, that's a big.

[Dan Le Batard]

And a Finals mvp boy, can you

[Greg Cody]

imagine the reward for Jaylen Brown having the best year of his career and getting final boats is being traded to a team that's rebuilding?

[Mike Ryan]

No, that'd be wild. Yeah, I don't. I don't see it.

[Greg Cody]

I don't see it either.

[Mike Ryan]

That'd be. I'd be curious if you pulled the NBA.

[Dan Le Batard]

So wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait. If they're suitors, how are you making these contracts match up so that Giannis could be with Jaylen Brown and Tatum? How are you doing that?

[Greg Cody]

Really tough.

[Jeremy]

You'd be surrounding with minimums. I mean, their next highest contract is Derek White at $30 million. Vucovich comes off the books at 21 million right now. Well, theoretically, you could include him in a sign in trade as a piece of this. Then you have Sam Houser and Peyton Pritchard along with draft picks. So that right there is how you would make all of the money work. But then you would just be surrounding literally with minimum.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, like that. That's a poo poo platter.

[Mike Ryan]

But those players you just mentioned, polls, NBA teams. Who would you rather have going from here on out? Jaylen Brown or Giannis?

[Greg Cody]

I think it's.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, it's a three year age difference. Like Jalen Brown's 29 guys.

[Dan Le Batard]

Though. The thing that I'm doing, if you're making the Celtics suitors, I don't see how you can make them legitimate suitors where they go to the top of the list of getting a guy that everybody wants. Unless they give one of those two players.

[Mike Ryan]

You're right. You're right about that, but why would they.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, then they're not suitors.

[Greg Cody]

No, but it could be what Jeremy said, where Boston believes they could get Vucevich to do a sign and trade and then Derrick White and Vucevich does make the deal work.

[Mike Ryan]

That's where I fall like. Yeah, I'm sure it's something that they're talking about internally. How do we pair these three guys? Is there any kind of way, what can we put together that doesn't have Brown or Tatum in it? But, you know, a lot of teams are having a lot of discussions, a lot of pie in the sky scenarios, and that's what this one seems like right now.

[Jeremy]

And Peyton Pritchard and Sam Houser are two good young players, Pritchard in particular, by the way. And. And their view would be more likely than not. Well, we could do that again, the same way that he'd have viewed it as like, oh, we can take this undrafted player and turn him into a role player. They view Peyton Pritchard as like, we've turned this guy into a really, really productive player. And Milwaukee would probably look at it as like, look again, Derek White and getting Peyton, Pritchard and a boatload of picks. It might be a package they would consider, but I don't see Boston dismantling what they have right now as they continually are a perennial contender in that conference.

[Michael Smith]

Agreed. And also that'd be an example of Boston using their assets and using their development to go out and get more assets and not just let them walk out the door for free.

[Dan Le Batard]

Or do you do it with Tatum?

[Don Le Batard]

You could.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't believe Derek Wright and Pritchard, they've got young pieces, they've got improved pieces, draft picks. They have some of the things that you need. You think that Pritchard, Derrick White is enough to land you?

[Mike Ryan]

No, but I don't doubt that they're talking about that and they don't doubt that that makes him a contender here. But with Tatum, the same question applies. You pull the NBA, who would you rather have from here on out, Tatum or Giannis? I don't know if that goes Giannis's way.

[Greg Cody]

I don't have it in front of me. I mean, I could find it what Boston's draft pick treasure chest is, but it works in the trade machine. Onto Takounmpo for Derrick White, Sam Houser, Peyton Pritchard, that works.

[Joe]

Can't the Knicks or the Heat make a better offer than.

[Greg Cody]

Not the Knicks, they don't have any draft picks they could trade.

[Joe]

No.

[Dan Le Batard]

First, no. They gave them all. They give five of them up for Mikhail Bridges.

[Joe]

But. But if he. You know how it works nowadays in the NBA. If Giannis wants to go to the Knicks, there's got to be a way to make a move.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, because he did and they haven't.

[Mike Ryan]

Most people would say, though, Derrick White and Pritchard, that's better than Tyler Herro and Khalil Ware.

[Jeremy]

I think when we're talking about this, like, we have to take into consideration. I don't know that it is because Ware's such a project as a young player. Derek White's good, Derrick White's good. But he's older.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, come on.

[Jeremy]

Yes. And Pritchard is your young piece and then you're getting however many first round picks. I think that when we take all of it into consideration, we're doing the Giannis from scratch thing. And the reality is, is unless he's willing to guarantee he would sign an extension anywhere, Milwaukee has really shot themselves in the foot when it comes to dealing Giannis. They thought, oh, we're going to get a much bigger package come the off season. But if everyone knows he wants out and there's one year left on his deal, that is the situation that Greg is talking about, which the player actually has some semblance of control.

[Dan Le Batard]

But you guys are making this about Giannis. I understand why you would do this. The more interesting part to me is Sam Amick reporting and he's credible that the Celtics aren't good with good enough. Like the idea that they are still sniffing around something like this after they did a couple of moves in Drew, Hollow, Holiday and Porzingis that made them a 65 win team. Those are accents because you've already built your team. If you add Giannis, you turn the Boston Celtics into a thing that shoots to the top of the sport in a way that's vastly more interesting than they already are as a tradition rich franchise. If they do something like this, because I was surprised to read this report, it is aggressive when you're already plenty good enough. I believe that, I believe, I know that the rest of you saw that Tatum got hurt and then said to me, look, Dan, they were going to get knocked out by the Knicks there anyway. The last two seasons of Celtics basketball when they're healthy are championship good seasons when they're healthy like they are good enough to beat okc. We have not seen OKC tested by a team that's as formidable as the one that shoots threes. If you go to Giannis, you're suddenly doing something that's old school basketball, which is of course get the most talented guy, get the best player, figure it out after that. But the way they've been playing for several seasons is we win 65 games because we shoot 50 threes and we're gonna, in a seven game series make more of those than you are.

[Michael Smith]

Not only that, they're living in an alternate timeline right now because this season for the Boston Celtics was not supposed to be where they are.

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[Michael Smith]

Jayson Tatum's out with an Achilles injury. We don't know when we're gonna see him again. Jaylen Brown, is he going to be a number one guy? They struggled a little bit out the gate and they've been a great team that's been, you know, byproduct of the coaching by Joe Mazzulla. We asked, is he a good coach? Is he not a good coach? I think this year proves he's a actually very good coach. But with that they're looking around saying, wait a second, we thought we were going to be in the lottery this season and we're one of the Favorites in the Eastern Conference. And if everything goes the right way, like, we could contend in the west, in the, in the NBA Championship. Like, yeah, completely changes what their timeline was for the next couple of years. Like, why not go get Giannis?

[Dan Le Batard]

Am I somebody who is being silly when I say the Boston Celtics this year? To me, the most surprising team in the league.

[Greg Cody]

I'd say Detroit. Detroit's been best in the east all season.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, but Detroit happened with Atlanta. This season has been fascinating.

[Dan Le Batard]

Both good choices, and you're both right. But Detroit was plenty good last season and this is kind of how a young team improves. I thought the Celtics weren't going to be competitive this season. Never mind, Never mind. Another 50 win season for them. They didn't have Tatum all season, and when they lost him in the playoffs last year, they immediately put down their sword. Like they, they, they got.

[Michael Smith]

It was over.

[Jeremy]

It was over.

[Dan Le Batard]

But they lost that last game of their season by 35 points. When I thought that the difference between the Celtics and the rest of the league, when they had Tatum, to me, I thought that just having Jaylen Brown and Derrick Wright and all of those ancillary pieces, I thought, thought that that would be pretty good in the playoffs and they immediately caved. But when they had a season together. How much better are the Celtics this year than you thought that they were going to be? How much better? Like, for, for all that Atlanta and Detroit have improved. I believe most of the people listening to this thought that this was not going to be something that the Celtics were going to be able to overcome. The tatum injury.

[Michael Smith]

They're 54 and 25. If you would have told me at the beginning of the season, hey, the Celtics are going to be the number two seed and steamroll Jason Tatum's going to come back from Achilles injury in less than a year, have triple doubles, have 30 point games, have games of 18 rebounds. I'd be like, there's no way. Like, what did they do to keep themselves afloat? MVP season from Jaylen Brown that he's not going to get.

[Dan Le Batard]

And their point differential, like they're slaughtering people. It's not just that they're winning.

[Michael Smith]

The Celtics math, though, like, they hit threes, they're going to beat you by

[Jeremy]

30 when they take the lead. That's what ends up happening. And the only other team that is, like, close to as surprising is the clippers, who started 6 and 21. And then Ty Lu said, my goal is for us to go 35 and 20 the rest of the way. They've gone 35 and 17 since. It's pretty unbelievable.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but the Clippers are where I would have slated them before the season in terms of number of wins.

[Michael Smith]

Well, I don't know. You were a big Clippers guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Or more. Or more.

[Michael Smith]

This.

[Dan Le Batard]

This record might be disappointing given where I thought the Clippers were going to be. I still would put the Celtics in any conversation that we're having about most surprising teams.

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with these two go. I wanted to get to a legitimate baseball fight though, that we had last night. It's between Jorge Soler. It's the Angels no longer of Anaheim

[Greg Cody]

and the Brave, they used to play in California.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you. And Reynaldo Lopez. And one of the reasons. And this was a weird fight, okay, I don't know if you guys saw it, but Solaire was thrown at early, didn't react. Then another high and in pitch. And because the reaction from Solaire was so delayed, the cameras didn't even catch it initially. The announcers were just sort of yelling, oh my God, here he comes. And there wasn't video accompaniment because it was. It was an unexpected thing. But here's the reason that I know that Reynaldo Lopez, the person who had hit Jorge Soler, was totally terrified. And it's not the backpedaling, it's that he started throwing pitches with the baseball still in his right hand, like those, those. Start throwing punches. Excuse me. He's throwing punches with his valuable hand. And I'm gonna guess that if you hit somebody's skull with a baseball in your hand, it's gonna do more damage to your hand than if the baseball weren't in your hand like that. You could injure a pitching hand more with a holding. He never lets go of the baseball while throwing all of the punches.

[Mike Ryan]

Good move.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's. But it's because he's scared, correct. It's because the adrenaline of all this makes it. You got to get rid of. You either throw the baseball at somebody, which I've seen done before, or you. You let it go because you want your. Your pitching. You got to protect your pitching hand 100%.

[Michael Smith]

And you have a propensity to keep stuff in your hand. That's why they told Michael when he shot the police captain in the Italian restaurant, let it go.

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How about Walt Weiss tackling Solaire?

[Dan Le Batard]

How old is Walt Weiss, the manager of the Braves? Because he did.

[Greg Cody]

Original Marlin shortstop.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you. Says that is correct.

[Jeremy]

62 years old.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's 62 years old. And he did indeed tackle Jorge Soler from behind.

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I feel like he looks the same as he did when he played. He doesn't look that much older.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Does Walt Weiss at 62 look the same age as when he played? You're correct.

[Jeremy]

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That's not true.

[Jeremy]

He dove from the side, lowered the shoulder, and took him out by the legs. It was tremendous form.

[Joe]

He could have injured him. That would have been fun. And by the way, Lopez wanted nothing to do with that fight. He was back. It was like if I'm in the ring with Mike Tyson, that's how fast he was backpedaling from Solaire.

[Dan Le Batard]

Walt Weiss did tackle him from behind at the legs. I don't know why it is that you would feel the need to make that correction because it's more impressive. He. He did. It was an NFL style tackle. And I haven't actually seen a coach or person of that age do exactly that since Jeff Van Gundy was hanging from the calf of Alonzo Mourning during a fight on the. On the court.

[Michael Smith]

This is better.

[Dan Le Batard]

What do you mean this is better?

[Michael Smith]

This is better? I mean hanging on by. By, by somebody's calves or taking the guy down. Imagine if Jeff Van Gundy did a double leg takedown of Zoe his Islam Akashev.

[Dan Le Batard]

So you're saying it is better in terms of tackling form and just general fighting ability.

[Michael Smith]

Here's the question you asked this guy. Hey, are you proud of that picture right there? And you ask Jeff Van Gundy, hey, you proud of that picture right there?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, that's true.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is true. But alonzo mourning is 610 and Jorge Soler is Not so that the optics of some of that. I've told you before that Jamal Mashburn. Just such a funny detail from that fight that. That given the size of Alonzo Mourning's Cavs, I don't know why Jamal Mashburn had this particular thought, but evidently Jamal Mashburn was like, on his side and seeing a bunch of legs and everything everywhere. And from his vantage point, for some reason, when he saw Jeff Van Gundy attached to Alonzo Mourning's calf, he thought to himself, in the middle of a fight, why is Jeff Van Gundy holding onto a horse? Like, because of the size of Alonzo Morning's cavs because he's 6 10. Jorge Solaire, though, is pretty menacing. And when he got angry, he looked like he knew how to fight baseball fights don't usually look that way. Like, they don't. They don't. It's a lot of scrum and stuff. But if someone had connected here, there would be suspension.

[Greg Cody]

He did connect.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, connect in a way that knocked someone out. He did. Yes. He did connect with.

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[Greg Cody]

Do you think he gets suspended, like, more games than he would have because he did punch him with the baseball?

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I think once. I think once you throw a punch, I don't think it matters whether the ball's in your hand, like, as far as the league is concerned.

[Dan Le Batard]

But do you guys agree with me on the premise that it's more dangerous if you're a pitcher with your pitching hand to have the baseball while throwing the punches?

[Michael Smith]

I think the kinetic energy of you hitting whatever it is, like it traps in the ball.

[Greg Cody]

I feel like you could smash your

[Joe]

finger, though, against the ball.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I'm with Dan.

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[Michael Smith]

But if you throw a punch bare hand, you could break your hand. I mean, I don't think you break your hand by holding a ball.

[Dan Le Batard]

Brass knuckles are something that would administer more damage. But I guess let me ask the question another way. If you were entering a fight, any of you, and trying to maximize damage, would you hold the baseball or would you discard the baseball if you were trying. If you're. You're in agreement with me that he's in a panic situation and has forgotten to drop the baseball. Correct.

[Joe]

Right.

[Michael Smith]

Told Michael Corleone dropped the.

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[Mike Ryan]

If he just.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like there are stories I have seen and we can find video of. I think Juan Marisol famously did that once upon a time. Just threw it at a charging batter. But also There are stories of hitters throwing the bat. Like, if you're in a fight, I'm surprised more guys don't bring the bat. I mean, you're already probably.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. But you're in a rage. Like, that's not how rage works. Like, once you're in the fight, like, some of these things are happening with the. With the emotion of the moment. And I. I would understand if somebody went out there with a bat or the baseball. Yeah. Because I would understand that rage grabs somebody and they're not thinking correctly.

[Joe]

That.

[Dan Le Batard]

That crimes of anger or passion sometimes have a lot of lack of logic in them.

[Michael Smith]

Walt Weiss was basically tackling Derek Henry.

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[Michael Smith]

Six, three, two, three.

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Jeremy just told me. Walt Weiss, a black belt, Taekwondo. And that still shot he has over there. I mean, he's. He's got his. The top of his head from the front, straight from the front.

[Jeremy]

It's not from behind. He's not a coward, Dan. Right. Just head on.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. You guys are looking at different things. When I watched the video, I thought that Solaire was tackled from behind in the scrum, so I got it wrong. My bad.

[Joe]

Yeah, that. You can't do that. You guys are looking at Walt Weiss heroically. I'm looking at a manager who did something very dangerous. If he would have injured Jorge Soler, imagine how this conversation would be going. You can't tackle your own player. You have other players to do that to get. Not to tackle him, but to get between him and Lopez. Why shouldn't have done what he did?

[Greg Cody]

Well, it wasn't his own player.

[Joe]

All the more reasoned.

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[Mike Ryan]

There you go.

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[Dan Le Batard]

Don LeBatard, you have some hot takes today.

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Joe. Chestnuts of fire.

[Jeremy]

Oh, he's on fire.

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He calls Connor McDavid overrated before the show.

[Don Le Batard]

What the hell was that, Greg?

[Joe]

Yeah, no, I love it.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugats.

[Joe]

Roy, let me explain it to you and not that you need, you know more about hockey.

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[Joe]

If that.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach. Speaking of the way that rage works, can you guys do me the favor, please of getting the video of Medvedev losing his mind? Nobody does a temper tantrum the way that tennis does a temper tantrum. And the this, this is that you've got a lot of babies. It's an individual sport. The frustration runs high. And sometimes because of the precision of the sport and the loneliness of the sport, people get very frustrated with themselves. And where do you put that frustration?

[Greg Cody]

I feel like maybe it's because there's no manager or coach to like scold you for your behavior.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, there are coaches, but it's not a team sport. And you are your own. There are coaches, right?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, but he's in the stands and you can't communicate with him. Right.

[Mike Ryan]

You'll spend about 90% of your time practicing on a hard court conventionally. And then for a month and a half of the tennis season, they decide, hey, we're going to have you play on baking powder. And clay court season does some people a great deal of service. The most athletic of tennis players and others, it makes them melt down. And Daniil Medvedev is always good for a meltdown. Really bizarre season for Medvedev. It seemed like he was toasted. Then he beat Alcaraz in Indian Wells, made it to the final against Sinner. Then he gets double bageled in the Miami Open. And here he is playing against Barentini in Monte Carlo. Clay court season is underway. Double Bagel 6, 060. And Medvedev gives us a classic meltdown. With rail back him.

[Joe]

And again and again. It had been coming, everybody. Not again.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is five times he has thrown a totally mangled racket. Six times. It is just the tattered remains.

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[Dan Le Batard]

No, no. Gently puts him in a garbage can.

[Joe]

Yeah. Well done. Well done.

[Depop Announcer]

That's unusable.

[Joe]

That's funny hilar. That's the biggest loser since Gino Aro.

[Sponsor Announcer]

It's made funnier with the accent, though, describing it.

[Joe]

Yeah, goodness me. I agree. Plus, break the racket the first time. If. If you're going to break a racket, you got to do it right.

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[Jeremy]

Greg's right about that.

[Michael Smith]

On the first time.

[Joe]

It can't take five. It can't take five of those. I could break a racket on the.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait, let's, let's watch.

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[Dan Le Batard]

You think you.

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Yeah, we're gonna get him a racket.

[Joe]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

You cannot break it on the first time.

[Joe]

I mean, if it's a wooden racket. That goes without saying.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just let me, let me see if

[Joe]

I have played with wood back in my day, I mean, I played with wooden. Hey, yo. Although there were a couple of times. No, I'm just kidding. Playing with wood. What a great name for a autobiography.

[Dan Le Batard]

Let me again frame for you. What Greg Cody is alleging Medvedev is. How tall. How tall is Medvedev? Because there are a lot of physics involved here in this particularly long person taking from the base of his feet to the end of his fingers, the sling velocity rate to throw that racket on the Ground, making it look like one of his ace serves. How tall is Medvedev?

[Mike Ryan]

Six' six.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, so, so you believe that Medvedev, who is doing this as passionately and as rage filled as he can it six times, he is throwing the racket down with the intent of trying to shatter it in pieces. Right. You believe that you, a 70 plus year old man, could have more force in your racket than a professional tennis player who is throwing this racket down six times and isn't able to make it totally splinter the way that you would like it. Splinter.

[Joe]

Right. And the weird thing is he practices racket throwing. I don't. But it's not just about power. It's about angle and geometrics. Okay? You gotta, you gotta throw a racket the right way. And also you can't literally throw a racket. You have to have your hand on that racket when it hits pavement. See, that's the key.

[Sponsor Announcer]

We are efforting to get a racket. Worst case scenario, we'll have one tomorrow. My dad is back in.

[Jeremy]

Well, worst case scenario, we could just get a baseball and have Greg punch Dan in the face once and then also hit him in the face with the baseball so we can learn if it hurts his hand.

[Dan Le Batard]

Watch Medvedev again here and just really absorb how ridiculous Greg Cody is being here when he says that he believes he can make a racket because he does break it. Greg, like the first.

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[Mike Ryan]

It's broken there.

[Joe]

Okay. Twice. Okay.

[Sponsor Announcer]

Three times.

[Joe]

It took him two times to break it.

[Sponsor Announcer]

What actually means, like when is it broken? Like, because it'll probably bend a little bit the first time it's broken. When it's unusable, then you might, you might break it. The first time.

[Mike Ryan]

I think the first time it's, it's pretty well toast.

[Dan Le Batard]

The first time he threw it. Yeah, it is. I mean it's splintering. It's five. It's six of these. And the crowd is helping him with it.

[Sponsor Announcer]

But I don't think my dad could do this half as hard as you.

[Mike Ryan]

I love how Daint Daintily he puts the Yes.

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[Joe]

In between.

[Sponsor Announcer]

Reverently in between each moment of rage, he very calmly walks to the racket.

[Mike Ryan]

He's a showman.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have somehow made the mistake and this might have something to do with the fact that we've done three shows in 24 hours and my judgment is impaired. It is now fully Wednesday and I have not, not finalized our tournament to announce who it is that Won our looks like tournament. So it was a very accurate depiction. I believe. We all believe that this is a a worthy winner. But first, let's get rid of the loser, Yukon. A hearty and fun run from Yukon, but this was eliminated from the tournament on the last day.

[Mike Ryan]

Adam Silver looks like a newly opened chapstick.

[Dan Le Batard]

So that's the runner up right there. And we crown officially our looks like champion. Only I think the seventh in the history of the show. Congratulations to Michael Smith and Michigan.

[Mike Ryan]

Michael Smith looks like the high school teacher that motivates his students by sitting in a chair backwards.

[Sponsor Announcer]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Not up for dispute. Correct. Everybody, everybody believed that that was a worthy one seed and not unlike Michigan. Right. I mean, I believe that a whole lot of people would have said all season that Michigan was the best team in the sport. They lost to Duke. They lost to Wisconsin. They lost a game. Was it Wisconsin? They lost a game to Purdue. They lost very few games and by not very many points. I don't think anybody would dispute that Michigan is a worthy champion. But getting back to the conversation that we were having yesterday about North Carolina's hire and how curious of a hire it was, how surprising of a hire it was that North Carolina hired Michael Malone. Malone. When people say that North Carolina's job by hiring Michael Malone, it shows you that the blue blood has fallen. What do you guys make of the fact that they have paid Michael Malone? Something that makes him one of the highest paid coaches anywhere in the sport?

[Greg Cody]

Or are you asking is it desperation from UNC or desperation from Michael Malone?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, the way that some of this is being framed is they had to settle for Michael Malone because some of their best candidates aren't something that they wanted. But they're paying him as if he is the most coveted of candidates. And I don't know that they necessarily had to pay him that way in order to get him.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, I think Nick Wright made incredible points that the NBA outside of Miami and San Antonio, historically, it doesn't matter if you've won a championship. Look at Budenholzer like they can you quickly. It's a lot like international soccer in that way. You've worn out your welcome. We'll move you out. Whereas if you're successful, doesn't matter if you're abrasive, if you rub players the wrong way. If you're successful in college basketball, you have job security. What happened to Michael Malone and the pros does not happen to him in college.

[Greg Cody]

That's every pro sport now isn't it,

[Dan Le Batard]

I would say it's almost always been like that. I've remembered making the argument on behalf of I'd rather be Bobby Bowden than an NFL coach because I could stay somewhere for 15 or 20 years in a way you rarely can in the NFL. Do you guys remember? This is a fairly shocking thing to say. When Dave Wonstadt was the coach of the Miami Dolphins, there were reports that the University of Miami had offered him a 20 year job. Like that's not a contract anybody in the NFL is ever willing to give you. Rick Patino is golden forever at St. John's now, but, but he didn't last in the pros. He was run out of the pros in New York and in Boston, even though he's clearly and obviously exceptional at what he does.

[Mike Ryan]

While college basketball recruiting is a bit of a grind, you have to be on top of recruits and do a whole bunch of stuff that you don't have to do in the pros. It's not like college football isn't recruiting

[Greg Cody]

easier now though because of the money.

[Mike Ryan]

You have to sell people on your vision a little bit more and what kind of coach you are. And Michael Malone compared to his contemporaries can say, I won an NBA championship in the last three years. I'm pretty good at what I do. And the money's going to work out for North Carolina. They're not going to miss out typically on a person for money. And you only have to worry about a handful of recruits every year and occasionally dip it in the portal. Whereas in college football you have a huge roster that literally takes up all of your free time. It's all encompassing. I do think that it's a little bit easier to be a college basketball head coach, especially once one at North Carolina that has such a great system in place.

[Joe]

And Michael Malone is not just selling Michael Malone, he's selling the North Carolina brand and whatever their, their nil treasure trove is, I mean that's still a program. I mean, if you're any coach, the idea of lifting North Carolina back up, why, why wouldn't you covet that job? For me, that's one of the five best jobs in college basketball.

[Dan Le Batard]

I will tell you why. Because for all the complaints that professional coaches have about load management and players that much money and don't care enough, they're not 17 years old and you don't have to deal with their families very much. Although sometimes you do. Like there is some fun. Stan Van Gundy can tell you about Andre Drummond's mom when he's 20 years old. Being in the stands, you do have to deal with some of that. But it's chaos in college, like what you're welcoming into your life in college. I really think that people underestimate all of these voices in college coaching who are telling you, hey, this job is now, I really hate working in college now. The reason that's happening is because the families involved around the money. Nothing matters but money like you've had. This is a very strong contaminant when you bring into the college workplace, hey, we're going to give you less power and we're going to make it all about money. Whatever your skill set is, whatever you think is special about what you do in terms of leadership development, none of that stuff matters. What matters is the uncle wants money, the mother wants money, the dad wants money, the brother wants money. Like this is a thing that I believe we're underestimating. When the coaches are telling you themselves, UCLA just won the championship while their coach was saying how miserable she was about what the job has become. Please listen to some of these voices. You don't hear this in the pros. The people who are the grinders and the pros that work the 20 hour days, they don't complain about what the job is. They love the job. It's the reason they can do it 20 hours a day.

[Joe]

Right? But as Nick Wright alluded to your general manager, your director of basketball, somebody else other than the head coach is dealing with all the nil and, and, and dad saying he wants more money. And, and also if, if I'm Michael Malone, I'm thinking the ACC maybe isn't what it used to be. It's now the, the third or fourth best basketball conference. I can go in there and turn around North Carolina.

[Mike Ryan]

But right now Michael Malone knows what he's getting in into. He's got coaching friends everywhere. He's been coaching for 30 years. And I don't think that we should just gloss over the choice that he made. Michael Malone would be hired in the NBA. I don't know. I don't know. I don't know why you keep thinking that he's a championship winning season. There was like one job that Michael Malone would consider taking last year when the job cycle opened up, it was a bunch of rebuilding teams in the New York Knicks. He didn't get that job. Mike Brown could get fired this playoff season and he'd be right back in that mix. Michael Malone would get hired.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, if I can though, and I've told you this before, when it comes to Chris Bosh, I found him illuminating when he joined the Miami Heat and whatever his idea of it was and what people would say, well, you knew what you were getting into. Chris Bosh used to say, you do not know the size of the sacrifice you are actually making until you are making it. And when you say Mike Malone knows what he's getting into to. No, he doesn't. Because I don't believe anybody who's coming from pro coaching, no matter how much they've talked to all of their coaches who tell them how dangerous this is, know what it's like to sit in the office the first time you care about a kid and you've now got a problem in front of you you've never seen before in your history in management. Because whatever the business deals with this

[Jeremy]

in the NBA, contract disputes, you know,

[Mike Ryan]

you don't think he deals with inner people in an NBA locker room like

[Dan Le Batard]

how he lost his job.

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[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think Michael Malone knows anything about what happens when a kid is having trouble in class, whatever it is that has to do with where it is. Academics have to be respected. I don't think that Michael Malone knows how to run a $20 million payroll where he's responsible for the dollars.

[Michael Smith]

Dan. We talk about that, but in these last five, six years of nil, do we have kids being worried about class when they're making 700 grand, a million dollars, when AJ Debance is making $7 million? You think he's worried about social studies or whatever it is that he's taking? Like this has become so professionalized that, like, class is the last thing that they're worried about.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, but you guys say this has become so professionalized. And the understanding when you get into the pros is that the entire construct of it is ready for you to behave like a professional. And the ones who don't get weeded out here, they transfer here, they're gone. They're not contracts. Like, you don't understand how little power Michael Malone's used to, how much power he's used to having comparatively to how little that he actually has now. When used to be that the college coach thought he had, like, real power over these kids.

[Mike Ryan]

They were a playoff team last year. Why did Michael Malone. Michael Malone lose his job? Why did he lose his job? The players got sick of him. The players got him fired.

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[Mike Ryan]

That's not happening at North Carolina. He has way more power at North Carolina.

[Jeremy]

And you put together the Avengers year to year. Like look at what Michigan just did. There's a bunch of transfers. Like that's all he's going to do. He's going to get a group. There's going to be two or three guys that are first round picks every single year. He builds around that. Any guys that want to stay that he likes, they'll stay. If not, he won't offer him nil deals. He'll go get a bunch of other guys because it's North Carolina and he's an NBA head coach.

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if it's going to work out. I don't know if his bet is going to cash. But I do think what he is obviously telling us right now is whatever's happening in college basketball is more appealing to him than what he got in the NBA, which was I reached the mountaintop. I coached the same way for 30 years and the players that I won a championship with decided that I was too bit too much of a hard ass and they decided to push me out the door. I'll go to Chapel Hill where I'm running the show.

[Joe]

Yeah. And he thinks he can do what Illinois did, what Miami did, did transform everything in one year. The portal door works both ways. He thinks he can be the winner of that.

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