Hour 2: What's That Gnawing On My Leg? (feat. Jemele Hill) - The Dan Le Batard Show

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[00:57]
Mike Ryan
Show with the Stugats podcast. Chris, I don't remember, did we have game show imaging and any bells and whistles for the Jemel Hill segment? Are you willing to die on that hill?
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Dan Le Batard
We had some fun game show music. We're ready to go with it.
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Mike Ryan
All right, Jamel's going to join us shortly. Please have that ready in moments. We will get to it. In a second we will get to against the spread as well. But before we do that, I see some reports here during a really slow week. A whole lot of people are taking their vacation during this sports content time. And into the breach is an article about LeBron feeling disrespected by the team of the Lakers being turned over to Luka. And Rich Paul is now saying how many teams are interested in LeBron James? Do you not believe that?
[01:51]
Chris Cody
Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is stampering, you know, if teams are just calling a player's agent to try and negotiate a trade. Kind of not how it works.
[02:00]
Mike Ryan
Yeah. But kind of how it does work if you're running the sport the way he has been for the last 15 years. So do you believe that though? Because I would be A lot of some people are saying that they don't believe that there's a market for him and I simply refuse to believe that that now is there a market that he would want to go to because it's a championship market? I don't know if there's a fit there, but I think there are a few and I don't think New York says no. Why would New York say no?
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Greg Cody
A lot of this is self governing too. It's if you receive word. If you're an MLS team and you receive word, hey, Messi is interested in a move to the United States. I think Real Salt Lake is going to be like, we're probably out on this one. We won't even bother picking up the phone.
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Mike Ryan
We know you see any disrespect in the, the idea. The Van Gundys have said the hardest thing to do in sports is to coach an aging superstar. There's not a lot of self awareness. This aging superstar has been unlike any before him as a prodigy in sports, being able to handle what fame was effortlessly. It seems for 25 years, this person has been in the center of the news stream in a way that has turned a basketball player into the next closest thing to Michael Jordan that we've ever seen in terms of fame, notoriety, all of it. And at the end of his career, my guess would be that he would have a very high bar for what it is to respect him. And he would feel easily disrespected by anyone who didn't assign proper value to what has been an unrelenting billion dollar economy for 15 years every year.
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Stugotz
Yeah, but he's gotten proper value, including the one year contract he just signed.
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Greg Cody
Just to be clear, what is the disrespect bringing in a, a, a younger elite basketball player to help him win? I don't, I don't. It. How is it disrespect? You've decided that I'm no longer the face of this. That is disrespectful. They what? Which is it? Do you want to have a good basketball team? I don't get it.
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Chris Cody
They drafted his son.
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Greg Cody
I mean, the disrespect. Come on, this is manufactured. Just say you don't want to be there anymore because it's, you're not the star of the show. There's no disrespect there. The, the Lakers have been super respectful.
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Chris Cody
LeBron, it is interesting though, because yes, the whole how do you handle an aging superstar thing, you know, Kobe Bryant, final year shooting under 40%. Dirk Nowitzki, final year scoring like 11 or 12 points per game. LeBron still scores like 26 points per game, shoots over 50%. It's an aging superstar, but he's still really good.
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Stugotz
Yeah, but he's more than aging. He's in his 40s and LeBron's done everything right his entire career. Hopefully he can do the right thing in aging gracefully and accepting that L. A is not moving on without him necessarily, but moving on with a younger player. They can build around for the next five, seven years.
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Greg Cody
But, Greg, how does aging gracefully when you've been at the top of the sport and on top of media and.
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Dan Le Batard
On top of everything your entire life, how does that look like aging wise.
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Mike Ryan
When you're like, all right, they brought.
[04:58]
Greg Cody
In this guy Luka, but now we've.
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Dan Le Batard
Got two different timelines.
[05:00]
Greg Cody
Now we've got two different things going on.
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Dan Le Batard
What is aging?
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Mike Ryan
Let's do this real quick here, because you say, guys, you guys just said, where's the disrespect? Well, statistically, still a top 10 player. And you just dismissed him as if it should just be someone else's team statistically better than Luka last year. So where are we now? Because I could see where a man of substantive ego who has conquered sports in an unprecedented way would say, well, show me all the ways that he's a lot better. Because when I was leading this team, we were at three seed, and whenever I'm healthy, we're relevant. Luka came over here and we couldn't share the basketball. Great, because he's doing a lot of 8 for 19 all of a sudden because he's not handling the as much as he wants to.
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Stugotz
But who's going to be better in five years? The people running the Lakers have to think in terms of what's the immediate.
[05:46]
Mike Ryan
Agreed. But this is. Look, it's easy to be teammates when everyone's interests are aligned. This is where they conflict. They're totally different. So let's bring in Jamel here. Jamel Hill here. Her new episodes drop every week. Spolitics. That's her podcast. You can subscribe to her YouTube channel at. It's Jamel Hill. And she's also a contributing writer for the Atlantic, has been a longtime Metal arc advisor. How's this game show go? Do we have the sound? Let's go. Let's play the. Okay, and how do we chant it? Are you willing to die on this hill? This or that? This or that? Is it this or that hill? This hill? That hill? Are you willing to die on this hill? The alien fireworks are the exclusive domain of dumb men. Are you willing to die on that hill?
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Dan Le Batard
Hill.
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Jamel Hill
While I do think they continually do dumb things with him, I don't think it's just them. I mean, kids still do enjoy fireworks, but I'm not willing to die on that one. I don't think it's that serious with them boys, though?
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Mike Ryan
These are fire.
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Jamel Hill
Yes, yes. Generally. Generally, boys. I mean, I, I was using sparklers. I had a more tame firework experience. I didn't deal with fireworks that would cost me any limbs. But you know, generally, I, I don't. I, I won't die on that one. I. The men and the boy.
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Mike Ryan
All right, we'll bring it back here at the. On the back end. I just wanted to start with something light before bringing you in on the we were having before you got here, which is. I have the most amazing dentist. It is a spa like experience. It is wonderful. It's the greatest thing I've known in dentistry, but she keeps talking about Trump and Deep State and I can't get her to stop. And what do I do?
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Jamel Hill
Hell, okay. So it is hard to find a good dentist, though. And you're talking about a spa like experience for a dentist. Like, I've never even heard of that. I had a similar situation with a makeup artist and I really, really liked her and she. But I could tell that she was in a cult and unfortunately. But I still use her though, because she's just. She's too good. So. But what happens is I learned how to steer the conversation in my direction as opposed to letting her pick the topics. So it's always something light. Reality tv, you know, But I can't.
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Mike Ryan
I can't talk. She's got sharpened.
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Jamel Hill
Yeah, that is true.
[08:16]
Mike Ryan
In my mouth. And Greg Cody is telling me to tell her to shut up and dentist. And I'm not willing to do it. I'm not, I'm not. I'm unwilling to do that. I don't want. I don't want that future awkwardness. I'm enjoying my dentistry.
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Jamel Hill
Well, I think. I think you got to suck it up, Dan. I mean, if you have to hear about the Epstein files for a while, if you have to hear about, you know, Deep State conspiracies, I think it's worth it. I think your teeth would appreciate that. You gotta do it for your teeth.
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Mike Ryan
Okay. Thank you, Jamal. I appreciate the permission. You were onboarding when we were talking about LeBron and it's not something that we have ever seen before in our sports lifetime. Any of what happens with him at this age, any of what he's been is without precedent. What do you do if you're the Lakers? What do you do if you're LeBron? What is happening there? Do you think he lasts the season in Los Angeles?
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Jamel Hill
I do. And listen, I could be really naive here, and I just don't think at his age, he's willing to go through the same process. And I get it. Like, another team would probably be able to build something around him so he could compete for another title. But he's 40 years old and his family loves Los Angeles. He loves living in Los Angeles. He certainly, you know, no disrespect to the Clippers, he's not going to go there, even though he wants to be in Los Angeles. But it reminded me of a recent conversation I had with Chris Paul down there in Miami when I was there for American Black Film Festival. And he talked about how tough these last five or six years have been on him because he's moved around so much of his career and he doesn't want to do that anymore. Like, that requires a certain amount of energy that requires you building not just another team, but you have to build an entirely new ecosystem around you. And I just don't think, at this age, nobody wants to do that. Like, I know that he always wants to compete, and I know he always, to some degree, loves having leverage and an advantage over a team, as he's put himself in that situation many, many, many times. But I think the. The mental bandwidth to do that is a legitimate factor here. And I think he's going to finish his career in Los Angeles.
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Mike Ryan
I can't tell you how stunned I am to be having this conversation with Jamel Hill and her saying, I'm watching the way that he moves at 40 years old. And she's like, he's 40 years old. He doesn't want to physically move. It's. He doesn't. She's saying that LeBron James doesn't want the inconvenience because he's an old person who has ear hair of being moved to another city and competing more for a championship. He's just. He's too old for that shit, is what she's saying. Not to be great at basketball, but to move cities, man.
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Jamel Hill
Think about it, Dan. You've been. Well, I know it's a little different with you because you've been in Miami your whole life. But right now, let's see, I've been in LA since 2018. The idea of picking up, moving, relocating, my whole life. And I. I'm not LeBron James. I don't have his money. He can make things as convenient as he possibly can. But you get to a certain age, and especially if you've built a good life for yourself in that city, it'd be one thing if he didn't like LA or This wasn't. All the things that he's exposed to in LA he really loves. And I just don't see him picking up and be like, you know what? Let's give Cleveland one more go.
[11:30]
Mike Ryan
Like, why Jamel? I'm not. I'm not. I'm not even making fun of you. You've made more sense than anyone I've asked about this because I keep thinking it's probable that he will leave. I keep thinking that there' no reason you begin this year with that salvo if you actually intend on staying there. That that is something to grease the wheels to leave. But you've convinced me based on just being old enough to not wanting to be bothered by the hassle of movers in your house.
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Jamel Hill
Yeah. I mean, not just movers. It's like, his family's not gonna come with him. I mean, like, I don't see him having. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure his team and other people will, but. And I don't know. I don't know them at all. I met Savannah, his wife once, or a coup, actually. And I just don't get that impression, especially as he's winding down his career. And I think her input matters a lot because he said that she sacrificed so much throughout, you know, their marriage so that he can be this great basketball player, like, try selling her on another move. I just. I don't think it's. I don't think it would happen.
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Mike Ryan
It's another good point. It's another good point. He's not going anywhere because of Savannah. How's that?
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Jamel Hill
And he also still has Zuri. She's still in school. Like, he's not going to uproot them just to give this one more shot. And it's. And listen, I know the west is loaded, and there's no guarantees that anything will work out just because he moves and goes elsewhere. I think he just likes his life too much. And that doesn't mean he's not in his feelings about how they're transitioning the franchise, about, you know, if the reports are true. They didn't tell him about the sale. That doesn't mean that he's not upset with that. But is he upset enough to where he's just like, I'm a detonate this whole thing? I don't think so.
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Stugotz
I just want to say that's smart logic to me. And we've seen it with a comparable talent down here in Lionel Messi. One of the reasons he signed with Inter Miami is that his family loves Miami. They owned A condo on Miami beach before he ever signed.
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Dan Le Batard
He lives in Fort Lauderdale.
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Stugotz
Well, his family owned a condo in Miami beach before he ever signed here, authenticating that his family and he used to vacation here. They love it here.
[13:38]
Mike Ryan
Unnecessary correction by your asshole son.
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Stugotz
Yeah, I thought so too. That's okay, though.
[13:43]
Mike Ryan
In fact, let me do this for you. Hold on a second.
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Stugotz
We've got a penalty.
[13:48]
Mike Ryan
Five minutes.
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Dan Le Batard
Major asshole.
[13:58]
Greg Cody
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[15:04]
Dan Le Batard
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[15:26]
Tony
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Jamel Hill
Feel your body relax.
[15:38]
Tony
And let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn' new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1, 800 contacts. Oh my gosh, they're so fast.
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Jamel Hill
And breathe.
[15:51]
Tony
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[16:02]
Mike Ryan
1-800-Contacts.
[16:04]
Greg Cody
Don LeBatard, are the stakes that high that if Angel Reese loses to Caitlin Clark, you need to start over again as a race?
[16:11]
Mike Ryan
Stugats?
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Jamel Hill
I don't know that we have to necessarily start over, but it might have to be. It will be a black people's meeting, an important one that will be called the next day, where we might have to put some things on the agenda. Get it on the table.
[16:25]
Mike Ryan
This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats. What are you yelling about?
[16:38]
Dan Le Batard
Go back to game show. No one's here to cue the music.
[16:40]
Mike Ryan
Okay, then we lose. We all lose if we go back to the game show. And wouldn't that be unfortunate if we couldn't go back to die on that hill?
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Stugotz
This.
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Mike Ryan
You want to just play it? Just keep it playing. You know what? At any point, this can break out. All right. All right, Jamal, here's the question. Earlier in the show, don't ask me how this happened, but Chris Cody said there's no way that his father, at any point anymore in this point in his life, checks out porn on the Internet. So are you willing to die on that hill? Jamel Hill, at his age, if. If LeBron's not willing to do anything at 40 to move, are you willing to die on the hill? That Greg Cody, no way. He's too old for dabbling in any of that Internet smut. It's.
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Jamel Hill
It's not that he would be too old. It's just that he just seems like such a wholesome man.
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Stugotz
Thank you.
[17:33]
Jamel Hill
And I have a hard time believing.
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Chris Cody
With that mustache I am a wholesome man.
[17:38]
Stugotz
Yes, thank you. What a great compliment.
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Greg Cody
A wholesome man, strictly missionary.
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Mike Ryan
We don't understand. Jamal, what are you looking at here? This scoundrel, this rascal. What is it that you're looking at that you see a wholesome man here?
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Jamel Hill
Listen, he's got a collared shirt. It's probably 2,000 degrees in Miami. You know what I'm saying? He's always very rational. For the most part. It just. It alludes to me. I'm more likely to believe Greg is at a. A weekly Bible study than I am to believe that he is watching porn.
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Stugotz
No way on that last one.
[18:18]
Mike Ryan
Zaslo, do you want to bring up your parenting conundrum to Jemel Hill?
[18:22]
Chris Cody
Jamel, should my 16 year old son be allowed to travel with his friends. No. Adult to Chicago for ufc.
[18:31]
Stugotz
Good card, though.
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Mike Ryan
Good card, though.
[18:33]
Dan Le Batard
Answer that question.
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Chris Cody
A couple caveats. Really good card. And he loves the Arab fighters.
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Jamel Hill
Okay. Generally. What is his. What is his track record of responsibility?
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Chris Cody
Responsible.
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Dan Le Batard
Loves their.
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Jamel Hill
Responsible.
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Dan Le Batard
Is this the rotisserie chicken son?
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Chris Cody
He ran around the Minecraft theater with a chicken jockey.
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Mike Ryan
Okay.
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Greg Cody
Not a good kid.
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Mike Ryan
Yes, well, but wait a minute. Hold on. This is an unfair appraisal. This would not be happening and Zazlo would not be entertaining it at all if he did not believe his son to be responsible. Principle.
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Stugotz
Hell yeah.
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Jamel Hill
Okay. So I think you should let him go. I guess. I guess more the. The other. Wait, before I. Before I sell you too hard on this. Are his other friends responsible?
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Chris Cody
Yes. Jamel. Nice Jewish boys. Yes.
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Jamel Hill
Okay. All right, all right. That's important. I think you should let him go. Listen, when I was. I didn't. Well, I didn't go to Chicago, but we had this tradition, like a lot of us used to go to Cedar Point, which is in Sandusky, Ohio, the amusement park. So go there for a weekend. Friends. We did it. It was fine. All worked out.
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Mike Ryan
So this is an upset. You and Tony are the only ones. Good card. The Internet. The Internet has gathered up and yelled at Zaslow. It's only you and Tony giving him this advice. Only you and Tony. Tony.
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Stugotz
Jamel.
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Dan Le Batard
I told him great card. Hamza Chimaev. Dricus du Plessis for the world title. Like, this is huge.
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Stugotz
I love Samara Fighter.
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Jamel Hill
And look, he's going there for a specific activity. It's a. A great experience. And I. I do think part of. And I say this as someone who's. Who's childish, so. Or childless. Excuse me. Also childish sometimes, but childless. And so it's easy for me to give advice, but one of the things I see with these young people and how they don't know how to deal with. With certain situations is because their parents do everything to continually protect them from discomfort. And not that it's uncomfortable going to Chicago, but the experience of being on your own in a city, traveling, you got to figure it out. You got to find out how not to make sure you wind up in a ditch. And I think that'll be an important experience.
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Mike Ryan
Good advice from Jamel Hill alone with Tony on an island. But I would say that I will not trust any 16 year old and even less at a UFC fight. Even those two. Those two ingredients alone. I'm going to separate them. Fireworks, baby. I'm going to Keep both of those things apart from each other. 16 years old and UFC fight.
[21:06]
Jamel Hill
So if he were going then to, let's say, another event, let's say he.
[21:10]
Mike Ryan
Was going a butterfly museum.
[21:12]
Jamel Hill
Okay, what about Club World Cup? If he were going to like to something else.
[21:16]
Chris Cody
That seems so much more dangerous Club.
[21:18]
Jamel Hill
World cup than ufc.
[21:21]
Chris Cody
Hooligans.
[21:23]
Greg Cody
That's not a real thing.
[21:23]
Mike Ryan
Hooligans.
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Stugotz
Hooligans.
[21:25]
Mike Ryan
Wait, the hooligans are in the crowd at UFC finals?
[21:28]
Stugotz
Yeah.
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Jamel Hill
Yeah. So for you, Dan, it's about the event or is it the combination of.
[21:33]
Mike Ryan
Well, first, the thing that was stunning to me is that his 16 year old son didn't even ask permission, told him he was going.
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Greg Cody
That's wild.
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Jamel Hill
Oh, oh, okay, now see, that's a different story. You guys are missing key context. Like, no, no, no, no, no. You're gonna go. You gotta, you gotta give me a whole like, slide presentation about why you should go and be able to go with your friends.
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Chris Cody
Yes, but it started with, hey, me and my friends, we bought tickets for UFC Chicago. It's this day, you know, my wife say, you're not going. It's not like he's, oh, yes, I am. And he's getting on a plane. I mean, we could, we could end it right now if we want.
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Stugotz
Wow.
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Jamel Hill
See, now, now, now I'm, I'm, I'm starting to crumble here because I'm troubled by the audacity of buying the tickets without asking you first.
[22:17]
Mike Ryan
I want to play for Jamal the sound that we've been playing with all morning. I believe that Conor McGregor in the history of sports is second only to Ali when he's on his game talking. And we want to play this sound for Jamel. She's got same body of sports journalism history that I do, so maybe she's got better talkers that she has seen in her life. But let's go to Conor McGregor again. Hasn't won a fight in five years, but knows how to sell bare knuckle fighting.
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Zaslow
What's good, Hollywood? It's a pleasure to be back here at the Hard Rock Hotel, where, you know, this Saturday night we have a flagship event with a wealth of fighting machines, topped by our heavyweight knockout sensation, Luis Salzambo Perdoma, as he circles world title fight honors. But that's not all. As much as we love the Hard Rock Hotel here, and as much as they love bare knuckle, we have assembled our very first inaugural World Champion Summit before you all, where as you can see beside me and in front of me, some of the baddest men and women to ever grace planet Earth. This is what we're about here at Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship, the alien of combat sport. And may we rise above the night sky and rain down blows viciously on all our deniers and announce here today that bare knuckle FC has no love for the big glove. So let's get going. Bare knuckle. Let's go, Florida. And let's announce some incredible matchups, some shock signings, and the most lucrative tournament in all of combat sport where we crown in an open weight the baddest man on the planet. Let's go. Give it up.
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Mike Ryan
Come on. Give me the game show music here. Conor McGregor is on a copious amount of cocaine. Jamel Hill, are you dying that hill?
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Jamel Hill
Okay, so I'm.
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Dan Le Batard
I'm.
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Jamel Hill
You basically want me to defame somebody and accuse them of being on coke. Oh, I'm not that rich, Dan. I'm not you. I'm sorry, we'll have to go to Discovery.
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Mike Ryan
Just looks like.
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Jamel Hill
Oh, okay.
[24:27]
Mike Ryan
My proof would be looking.
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Jamel Hill
Look, he could have just had a pretty strong Red Bull. You never know.
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Dan Le Batard
But we don't know.
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Jamel Hill
I mean, don't know this. Okay, look, there's. There's plenty of other natural substances that can give you that amount of energy. So I'm going to say not willing.
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Mike Ryan
To die on that hill.
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Jamel Hill
Not willing. Not willing to die on the hill of defamation. Conor McGregor.
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Mike Ryan
All right, let's show her some video here of Conor McGregor. Conor McGregor, shadow boxing and any of the other videos that you can show of Conor McGregor. Clearly.
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Greg Cody
I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Jamel won't.
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Dan Le Batard
Okay, bend over.
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Greg Cody
He's on something wider than that suit.
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Mike Ryan
Come on. Come on, Jamal.
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Jamel Hill
Doesn't Adderall do the same thing? I'm told.
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Mike Ryan
You know what? Doesn't have to be Shadow box.
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Dan Le Batard
There it is. I'm with J. I'm with Jamal. We don't know.
[25:23]
Mike Ryan
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[25:38]
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[26:36]
Mike Ryan
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[26:53]
Dan Le Batard
You have some hot takes today, Joe. Chestnuts of fire.
[26:55]
Greg Cody
Oh, he's on fire.
[26:56]
Dan Le Batard
He calls Connor McDavid overrated before the show.
[26:59]
Mike Ryan
What the hell was that?
[27:01]
Stugotz
Yeah, no, I love it. St. Roy, let me explain it to you. And not that you need you know more about hockey.
[27:06]
Dan Le Batard
And this is coming from a guy that's watched Conor play six times, right?
[27:09]
Stugotz
If that.
[27:12]
Mike Ryan
This is the D? Levitar show with the st. I didn't ask Jamel about the big award that you. You won recently. I should have told her about the big award that you want you won because we haven't talked about it at all. And congratulations on being a big award winner.
[27:35]
Stugotz
Thank you.
[27:36]
Mike Ryan
Tell us more about this. Look at how engaged you are now. Cannot wait to get in here and talk about this.
[27:43]
Stugotz
I was told a couple of days ago that I had been honored by the 75th annual Green Eyeshade Awards, which is a major journalism group group in the southeastern United States. The award encompasses the 12 southeastern states.
[27:58]
Chris Cody
Just 12?
[27:59]
Stugotz
Yeah, 12.
[28:00]
Dan Le Batard
Can't believe they used the silhouette of you for the award in this picture.
[28:06]
Mike Ryan
For the vent pair. It is a similar honker. It's a similar honker. It's not quite as chiseled as chin can go though. No, but his chin isn't quite that chiseled. But the nose seems life size.
[28:16]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, the way he writes.
[28:18]
Stugotz
That's true. I do use a quill pen, so a lot of people know that.
[28:21]
Mike Ryan
Zaz, I saw you question here. This is a distinguished award. Green eyeshade. This is a. This is literary stuff. This is stuff. When I was coming up, this was important stuff.
[28:30]
Chris Cody
I'm just wondering which states. You know, it's 12.
[28:32]
Mike Ryan
Which 12 states?
[28:33]
Greg Cody
SEC countries probably think states, right?
[28:35]
Stugotz
It's the southeastern states. Yeah. Georgia, Florida, Louisiana.
[28:39]
Mike Ryan
You kicked Dave Hyde's ass.
[28:41]
Stugotz
Well, he didn't win and I did, so. Oh, that's what Dan in this case.
[28:45]
Chris Cody
But this is just for writing like no radio. Nothing. Nothing that involves a microphone.
[28:49]
Stugotz
This is sports commentary.
[28:50]
Mike Ryan
Number one. Sports commentary. Not number two. Not number three.
[28:54]
Stugotz
Correct.
[28:54]
Mike Ryan
Number one in 12 states.
[28:56]
Stugotz
Yeah. I was also part of a team of Herald writers that finished second in sports reporting for our Florida Panthers Stanley cup coverage.
[29:04]
Chris Cody
Who won that one?
[29:05]
Stugotz
I can't. It was not a. It was not a local for your.
[29:09]
Mike Ryan
Coverage of calling McGregor McDavid overrated.
[29:12]
Stugotz
Yes. Correct.
[29:13]
Greg Cody
You look great, man. You look like someone winning a journalism award.
[29:16]
Stugotz
Thank you.
[29:18]
Greg Cody
I'm proud of you.
[29:19]
Stugotz
Thank you.
[29:19]
Mike Ryan
Mike, where does this rank in terms of career achievements and noteworthy awards for you? Because I'm not kidding when I say I do remember that outside of the Associated Press awards, green eyeshade was viewed as the most literary of the journalism awards when we were coming up in the business. Is that still so?
[29:38]
Stugotz
I think so. I think it's a prestigious award. I was surprised to win. It probably ranks. I've made the Associated Press sports editors top 10 three times. And this probably ranks.
[29:51]
Dan Le Batard
Who's counting?
[29:51]
Greg Cody
What is the practical purpose of the green eyeshade? It's a wild look. It's reserved for accountants and poker dealers. Does it help you do something in particular?
[30:00]
Mike Ryan
Why.
[30:00]
Greg Cody
Why was that even a hat? It's not. It doesn't seem super practical, but it obviously has to have some sort of benefit.
[30:05]
Stugotz
I. As old as I am, the green eye shade predates me. Like I have no idea what that was used for.
[30:12]
Mike Ryan
Okay. So for those who cannot see it, the visor has. It's an eye shade and it's being worn the way that Steve Spurrier would wear a visor. And I, I don't know what a green eyeshade is. I don't know how it helps. I. I only associate it with this award that I wanted to win growing up. I don't remember whether or not I won it though. I don't have any recollection. I'm guessing you can copy editors.
[30:40]
Greg Cody
They're. They're part of the. The. The people that hold those positions that use green eye shades.
[30:45]
Stugotz
Okay.
[30:46]
Greg Cody
And they supposed to reduce eye strain and improve focus.
[30:49]
Stugotz
I actually was curious about the phrase and I googled it and it self corrected to green eyeshadow.
[30:57]
Greg Cody
It. It reduces harsh lighting.
[31:00]
Stugotz
Okay.
[31:00]
Chris Cody
So Dan, just to be clear, an award that Greg is really pleased to have won, you don't even bother to remember if you've won?
[31:08]
Mike Ryan
I remember that it mattered to me. I just. It's been so long that I don't remember whether I think I'd remember if I'd won. So I must not have.
[31:16]
Dan Le Batard
Wow. I'm seeing here that in 2010.
[31:19]
Stugotz
Wow. Good year for you.
[31:20]
Dan Le Batard
In the sports commentary category, Dan Levitard came in second place behind John Romano of the St. Petersburg Times.
[31:30]
Stugotz
Wow. An upset that.
[31:33]
Dan Le Batard
No disrespect, John, Just ahead of David Clamer.
[31:37]
Mike Ryan
And that was the only time I placed in the green ey shade. Are you telling me right now, are you announcing for the first time that Greg Cody has kicked my ass at writing by winning an award?
[31:45]
Stugotz
Something at a.
[31:46]
Mike Ryan
At a more diluted time.
[31:49]
Stugotz
I knew you were going to get that in there. I actually finished second in 2005. That tells you how old I am.
[31:55]
Mike Ryan
Congratulations, Greg Cody.
[31:57]
Tony
Wait a minute.
[31:58]
Dan Le Batard
It 2014.
[32:00]
Stugotz
Oh, good year for you.
[32:01]
Dan Le Batard
Dan Leitard beats Dave Hyde, number one. Dan LeBatard number two. Sunset knows Dave Hyde.
[32:06]
Greg Cody
You kicked his ass.
[32:07]
Stugotz
Look at you. How long ago was that?
[32:10]
Dan Le Batard
2014. 11 years ago.
[32:11]
Stugotz
All right, what have you done lately?
[32:12]
Greg Cody
Where, where are you putting that?
[32:14]
Dan Le Batard
Oh, that was like end of the big three.
[32:16]
Stugotz
Oh.
[32:17]
Mike Ryan
So to your original point, Zaz, it does appear that I've won an award. That's Greg.
[32:23]
Stugotz
Not as recently, though.
[32:25]
Greg Cody
Did you show up? Did you go?
[32:27]
Mike Ryan
I did not. No. Those things were.
[32:28]
Chris Cody
You remember?
[32:29]
Mike Ryan
Those things are uncomfortable. I will tell you. I will tell you. This is funny. This is scarring. I don't remember what the award was, but I do remember having to go to Jacksonville in order to accept it at what was an auditorium full of people. And what's funny about it, as I was running between TV hits and I grabbed a dry cleaning bag that I had not before getting this tuxedo tried on because I was renting a tuxedo. Ooh, least favorite G. It was way too big. Way too big. Upset. Agreed. But now imagine me walking up to make a speech, holding my pants up.
[33:09]
Greg Cody
They've seen a lot of ill fitting suits, I'm sure.
[33:12]
Mike Ryan
No, no, no. But holding. I had to. I had to hold it up.
[33:15]
Greg Cody
This was a belt.
[33:16]
Mike Ryan
This was not green eyeshade. This was a big giant. Alonzo Morning and Tim Hardaway were. There was like some stately televised award.
[33:23]
Greg Cody
Oh, yeah, you can't be doing that thing.
[33:25]
Mike Ryan
And I'm, I'm walking on stage, holding up, up my pants because I didn't try on the tuxedo before.
[33:32]
Dan Le Batard
I mean, as I continue to dive here in O3, you came in third place. Technically fourth place because two people were tied for second. So they gave you a third place, but was four.
[33:43]
Stugotz
Congrats.
[33:43]
Dan Le Batard
So you made your way up. 04. Third place. Really? Fourth place, 2010. Second place, 2014. You got it done.
[33:51]
Greg Cody
Why do you have such little regard for the green eye shade?
[33:54]
Mike Ryan
I didn't mean to do that. That was an accidental insult. Tony. Don't look at me that way. I did not remember.
[34:01]
Dan Le Batard
I don't even remember if I place.
[34:02]
Mike Ryan
I don't even know.
[34:03]
Greg Cody
Oh, I'm proud of you, Greg.
[34:05]
Stugotz
Thanks, Mike.
[34:05]
Greg Cody
The McGregor, the McDavid look. Now I'm doing it. The McDavid thing actually works.
[34:10]
Stugotz
How old is McDavid?
[34:11]
Dan Le Batard
Is he 37 or not?
[34:12]
Mike Ryan
We've all done it today. It's happening a lot throughout the industry. I saw last night and I wanted to ask you guys because I imagine all of you are a fan of this genre of movies, the prison escape movie. It can be done poorly. But I saw one that Daniel Ratcliffe starred in, Escape from Pretoria last night that was about, you know, some people wrongfully imprisoned in South Africa. It's a true story. What are the grays? The greatest prison escape movies that ever have been made. Because I think of Escape from Alcatraz, I think of Papillon, and those are the first two that come to Moshenk.
[34:49]
Stugotz
Yeah, Shawshank.
[34:50]
Chris Cody
I mean, I think a midnight expression.
[34:52]
Mike Ryan
I don't know if any of you have seen this movie. It's slow going. And the whole thing is based on how it is that these guys just sort of made keys in order to get out of a heavily armed prison. But what is it about this movie genre that will always get our attention? Because this one stopped me and I was like, how have I not seen this before Now?
[35:14]
Greg Cody
Was the Last Castle an escape movie? The one with Robert Redford and James Canolfini. That movie movie rocked, but not enough for me to actually remember if someone escaped.
[35:23]
Chris Cody
I love prison movies. Two kinds of movies I will watch, anyone are prison movies and time travel movies. I will watch. Anything about those two? I love prison movies.
[35:39]
Mike Ryan
Well, let's put this on the poll here at lebatard show. What will grab you every time the most Prison escape heist or shark. You get to choose from among those three. Shark heist. Prison escape. Shark's going to finish third there, right? No matter how much I talk about Jaws. And after Greg Cody shocked us all by coming out with the take on the 50 year anniversary of Jaws. Overrated. Doesn't hold up. Never understood it. You have to understand. Greg Cody has seen seven movies in his life. He is not a connoisseur in any way, shape or form, but he's very comfortable with his ignorance.
[36:13]
Stugotz
Well, that's not true.
[36:14]
Mike Ryan
True.
[36:14]
Stugotz
I've seen. I used to go to movies all the time when I was in college. So you know, you know all the President's men.
[36:21]
Greg Cody
Did you go see Jaws?
[36:22]
Stugotz
Yeah.
[36:23]
Greg Cody
Yeah. That had to be wild. What was the reaction?
[36:26]
Stugotz
People were gasping when the shark comes out of the water. You know, everybody's a gas.
[36:31]
Greg Cody
Had you ever seen anything like that before?
[36:33]
Mike Ryan
It was very realistic. I don't know why Greg Cody is saying it doesn't hold up. Like, I mean when I watch it.
[36:38]
Stugotz
Now, I'm like, like, what a fake looking shark. I'm sorry.
[36:42]
Greg Cody
Yeah, but a lot of people are. But it's still very scary. Very effective. Think of a. There's. There's such a huge economy around that movie. The licensing has been. It's still generating buku bucks.
[36:53]
Stugotz
Right?
[36:53]
Greg Cody
And it's never, no one ever dares to invoke, hey, let's remake this. It's such, it's, it's such an easy movie to remake. The, the shark doesn't look super real by today's standards. No one wants to touch that film because it's perfect.
[37:06]
Stugotz
You're right. And, and in real. I remember in real time in the mid-70s, that movie had a chilling effect on beach going and wandering into the ocean.
[37:16]
Mike Ryan
It's not just that though. There are so many ways that that can be done poorly. Like in watching some of these documentaries. It took them a minute before they arrived at the title Jaws. But one of the rejected titles was what's that gnawing on my leg?
[37:30]
Greg Cody
Yeah, I like that one.
[37:31]
Dan Le Batard
What?
[37:32]
Greg Cody
Do you believe it? Believe it. Talk about time travel. Imagine if we were 50 years after talking about what's that noise on my leg?
[37:41]
Mike Ryan
Put it on the poll.
[37:41]
Greg Cody
It sounds like a podcast.
[37:43]
Mike Ryan
Put it on the poll at Levitard show. Would Jaw Wood Jaws had been as popular if it had been exactly the same movie?
[37:54]
Greg Cody
But that podcast is hosted by Zoe.
[37:58]
Mike Ryan
But named what's that gnawing on my leg? Because the movie could be exactly the same. And that one detail. I'm with you. There's no way.
[38:12]
Greg Cody
There's no way John Williams is like, I'm going to nail this score for what's that gnawing on my leg. I bet you the music is different because he's, he's like, that music says Jaws, but it doesn't say what's that gnawing on my leg.
[38:24]
Mike Ryan
That's crazy to think about how many details could derailed something because I, I just don't believe we talk about it with the same reverence in any way. If everything had been the same but that had been the title.
[38:36]
Chris Cody
Also, I don't think the shark is. I don't think Jaws is as big if it's what's that gnawing on my.
[38:40]
Greg Cody
I would just love to see the people reading the best picture nominees that year. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. What's that gnawing on my legs?
[38:48]
Mike Ryan
Spielberg was hurt because they didn't get nominated, but they certainly wouldn't got nominated if the name of the movie is what's that gnawing on my leg?
[38:55]
Greg Cody
Might have helped if Cuckoo's Nest wants.
[38:57]
Mike Ryan
So I come back around on the point that I made earlier because you guys put it on the poll at LeBatard show. More, more iconic music from the movies. Jaws theme or Star wars theme. But if you guys had to choose rivals, rival musical things. And I give you the entirety of the history of the movies. I was marveling at the idea that a shark movie 50 years later would be the thing that would ascend to the very top of my list. But what else would you put in this conversation?
[39:31]
Greg Cody
Horror has as a genre a secret hack to making music so extra important and memorable because you could be walking down the street and if you hear you already go back back to that Psycho. Another one. Some of the more iconic scores are in that horror genre because it makes you fear. It elicits that Good, Bad, the Ugly is great, but it doesn't necessarily make you feel anything when you hear it. If you hear Psycho while you're showering, you're going to feel fear.
[40:10]
Dan Le Batard
I got the one for my generation and it's easy. Jurassic Park.
[40:13]
Greg Cody
John Williams. Man, there's a John Williams documentary that's pretty solid. That guy's wonderful.
[40:18]
Dan Le Batard
That will give me goosebumps every single.
[40:19]
Mike Ryan
Time if we did a movie. I know they do this on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody, but I feel like we can ask Greg Cody some very simple movie questions that he would not know the answers to. That would make his expertise very popular.
[40:33]
Stugotz
Segment on my podcast, occasional segment hosted by my youngest son, Michael.
[40:38]
Mike Ryan
It's just to point out how little you know about the movies, right?
[40:41]
Stugotz
Well, I try. I sometimes answer them correctly. Depends on their questions.
[40:45]
Mike Ryan
Could you name an actor from Goodfellow?
[40:48]
Stugotz
De Niro.
[40:49]
Dan Le Batard
See, that's he knows De Niro and Al Pacino. Like those are the ones he'll usually get.
[40:54]
Stugotz
Those are my go to actors. No matter what movie you mention, their.
[40:57]
Mike Ryan
Late life choices on movies have been interesting. Pacino and De Niro in a race to make crud in their 80s, for example.
[41:06]
Dan Le Batard
Dad, who starred in Braveheart, I have no idea.
[41:09]
Mike Ryan
De Niro, such a different, different movie.
[41:13]
Dan Le Batard
Great segment.
[41:13]
Mike Ryan
I'm telling you, that was.
[41:14]
Stugotz
But Braveheart, how am I supposed to.
[41:17]
Greg Cody
Know that you can never take our freedom?
[41:18]
Mike Ryan
That was also going to be De Niro and what's that gnawing on my leg?
[41:23]
Zaslow
Planet Earth.
[41:25]
Greg Cody
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Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Hour 2: What's That Gnawing On My Leg? (feat. Jemele Hill)
Release Date: July 14, 2025

1. LeBron James and the Lakers’ Transition (00:57 - 04:48)

The episode opens with a heated discussion about the Los Angeles Lakers' potential transition from LeBron James to Luka Dončić. The hosts delve into the rumors surrounding LeBron feeling undervalued and the implications of Rich Paul's comments on other teams showing interest in LeBron.

Greg Cody (02:00): “A lot of this is self-governing too. If you're an MLS team and you receive word, hey, Messi is interested in a move to the United States, I think Real Salt Lake is going to be like, we're probably out on this one.”
Mike Ryan (02:26): “LeBron has been in the center of the news stream in a way that has turned a basketball player into the next closest thing to Michael Jordan...”
Stugotz (03:38): “He's gotten proper value, including the one-year contract he just signed.”

Despite the varying opinions, the consensus leans towards the Lakers handling the situation with respect, emphasizing LeBron's stellar career and the complexities of transitioning such a high-profile athlete.

2. Aging Superstars and Team Dynamics (04:00 - 05:40)

The conversation shifts to the challenges of managing aging superstars in sports. The hosts compare LeBron's sustained performance to other legends like Kobe Bryant and Dirk Nowitzki.

Chris Cody (04:11): “Do you believe that though? Because I would be a lot of some people are saying that they don’t believe there’s a market for him...”
Mike Ryan (04:31): Discusses the difficulty in coaching an aging superstar and the high standards LeBron likely holds.

The segment underscores the delicate balance teams must maintain between leveraging veteran talent and fostering new star players.

3. Game Show Segment: "Are You Willing to Die on That Hill?" with Jemele Hill (05:00 - 17:56)

Jemele Hill joins the show to participate in a playful and engaging segment titled "Are You Willing to Die on That Hill?" The hosts pose various hypothetical and humorous scenarios, encouraging Hill to take a stance.

Jemele Hill (06:37): “I don’t think it’s that serious with them boys, though?”
Mike Ryan (16:11): “Are you willing to die on that hill? That Greg Cody, no way. He’s too old for dabbling in any of that Internet smut.”
Jemele Hill (17:32): “I have a hard time believing [LeBron] is watching porn.”

The segment showcases the hosts' chemistry and their ability to blend serious sports commentary with lighthearted banter.

4. Parenting and Letting a Teen Attend UFC Event (18:21 - 21:56)

A listener named Zaslow seeks advice on whether to allow his 16-year-old son to travel to Chicago for a UFC event with friends. Jemele Hill offers thoughtful insights into parental decision-making and the importance of granting teenagers independence.

Jemele Hill (19:25): “Part of what I see with these young people is because their parents do everything to continually protect them from discomfort...”
Chris Cody (21:09): “He bought tickets for UFC Chicago without asking you first.”
Jemele Hill (20:45): “I think you should let him go. It’s a great experience...”

The discussion emphasizes trust, responsibility, and the benefits of allowing teens to navigate new environments.

5. Stugotz Receives the Green Eyeshade Award (27:35 - 34:05)

Stugotz shares his recent achievement of being honored by the 75th Annual Green Eyeshade Awards, a prestigious recognition in southeastern journalism. The hosts congratulate him and explore the significance of the award.

Stugotz (27:58): “I was surprised to win. It probably ranks [with AP awards]...”
Greg Cody (29:05): “Does it help you do something in particular?”
Mike Ryan (30:04): “Why was that even a hat? It doesn't seem super practical...”

The segment highlights Stugotz's contributions to sports commentary and the respect he commands within the industry.

6. Movie Discussions: "What's That Gnawing on My Leg?" and Iconic Scores (34:00 - 38:56)

The hosts transition to discussing the significance of movie titles and scores, referencing the iconic nature of films like "Jaws." They humorously contemplate how a different title might have affected a film's legacy.

Mike Ryan (37:30): “One of the rejected titles was 'What's That Gnawing on My Leg?'”
Greg Cody (37:58): “As old as I am, the green eye shade predates me...”
Stugotz (37:16): “In the mid-70s, that movie had a chilling effect on beach-going...”

The conversation underscores the impact of creative choices on a movie's enduring popularity and cultural footprint.

7. Final Remarks and Awards Banter (38:57 - End)

The episode winds down with light-hearted banter about personal achievements and awards. The hosts joke about their own experiences with the Green Eyeshade Awards and continue to engage in playful exchanges.

Mike Ryan (31:15): “I don't even remember if I've won...”
Greg Cody (33:50): “Why do you have such little regard for the green eye shade?”
Stugotz (34:05): “Thanks, Mike.”

The episode concludes on a humorous note, celebrating camaraderie and personal milestones among the hosts.

Notable Quotes:

Mike Ryan (02:26): “LeBron has been in the center of the news stream in a way that has turned a basketball player into the next closest thing to Michael Jordan...”
Jemele Hill (19:25): “I think your teeth would appreciate that. You gotta do it for your teeth.”
Stugotz (27:58): “I've made the Associated Press sports editors top 10 three times. And this probably ranks.”
Greg Cody (37:58): “I like that one.” (Referring to the alternate movie title)

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a blend of intense sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and light-hearted segments, making it a comprehensive and engaging listen for fans and newcomers alike.

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Mike Ryan
Show with the Stugats podcast. Chris, I don't remember, did we have game show imaging and any bells and whistles for the Jemel Hill segment? Are you willing to die on that hill?
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Dan Le Batard
We had some fun game show music. We're ready to go with it.
[01:15]
Mike Ryan
All right, Jamel's going to join us shortly. Please have that ready in moments. We will get to it. In a second we will get to against the spread as well. But before we do that, I see some reports here during a really slow week. A whole lot of people are taking their vacation during this sports content time. And into the breach is an article about LeBron feeling disrespected by the team of the Lakers being turned over to Luka. And Rich Paul is now saying how many teams are interested in LeBron James? Do you not believe that?
[01:51]
Chris Cody
Well, the first thing that comes to my mind is stampering, you know, if teams are just calling a player's agent to try and negotiate a trade. Kind of not how it works.
[02:00]
Mike Ryan
Yeah. But kind of how it does work if you're running the sport the way he has been for the last 15 years. So do you believe that though? Because I would be A lot of some people are saying that they don't believe that there's a market for him and I simply refuse to believe that that now is there a market that he would want to go to because it's a championship market? I don't know if there's a fit there, but I think there are a few and I don't think New York says no. Why would New York say no?
[02:27]
Greg Cody
A lot of this is self governing too. It's if you receive word. If you're an MLS team and you receive word, hey, Messi is interested in a move to the United States. I think Real Salt Lake is going to be like, we're probably out on this one. We won't even bother picking up the phone.
[02:41]
Mike Ryan
We know you see any disrespect in the, the idea. The Van Gundys have said the hardest thing to do in sports is to coach an aging superstar. There's not a lot of self awareness. This aging superstar has been unlike any before him as a prodigy in sports, being able to handle what fame was effortlessly. It seems for 25 years, this person has been in the center of the news stream in a way that has turned a basketball player into the next closest thing to Michael Jordan that we've ever seen in terms of fame, notoriety, all of it. And at the end of his career, my guess would be that he would have a very high bar for what it is to respect him. And he would feel easily disrespected by anyone who didn't assign proper value to what has been an unrelenting billion dollar economy for 15 years every year.
[03:39]
Stugotz
Yeah, but he's gotten proper value, including the one year contract he just signed.
[03:43]
Greg Cody
Just to be clear, what is the disrespect bringing in a, a, a younger elite basketball player to help him win? I don't, I don't. It. How is it disrespect? You've decided that I'm no longer the face of this. That is disrespectful. They what? Which is it? Do you want to have a good basketball team? I don't get it.
[04:01]
Chris Cody
They drafted his son.
[04:02]
Greg Cody
I mean, the disrespect. Come on, this is manufactured. Just say you don't want to be there anymore because it's, you're not the star of the show. There's no disrespect there. The, the Lakers have been super respectful.
[04:11]
Chris Cody
LeBron, it is interesting though, because yes, the whole how do you handle an aging superstar thing, you know, Kobe Bryant, final year shooting under 40%. Dirk Nowitzki, final year scoring like 11 or 12 points per game. LeBron still scores like 26 points per game, shoots over 50%. It's an aging superstar, but he's still really good.
[04:31]
Stugotz
Yeah, but he's more than aging. He's in his 40s and LeBron's done everything right his entire career. Hopefully he can do the right thing in aging gracefully and accepting that L. A is not moving on without him necessarily, but moving on with a younger player. They can build around for the next five, seven years.
[04:49]
Greg Cody
But, Greg, how does aging gracefully when you've been at the top of the sport and on top of media and.
[04:53]
Dan Le Batard
On top of everything your entire life, how does that look like aging wise.
[04:56]
Mike Ryan
When you're like, all right, they brought.
[04:58]
Greg Cody
In this guy Luka, but now we've.
[04:59]
Dan Le Batard
Got two different timelines.
[05:00]
Greg Cody
Now we've got two different things going on.
[05:02]
Dan Le Batard
What is aging?
[05:03]
Mike Ryan
Let's do this real quick here, because you say, guys, you guys just said, where's the disrespect? Well, statistically, still a top 10 player. And you just dismissed him as if it should just be someone else's team statistically better than Luka last year. So where are we now? Because I could see where a man of substantive ego who has conquered sports in an unprecedented way would say, well, show me all the ways that he's a lot better. Because when I was leading this team, we were at three seed, and whenever I'm healthy, we're relevant. Luka came over here and we couldn't share the basketball. Great, because he's doing a lot of 8 for 19 all of a sudden because he's not handling the as much as he wants to.
[05:41]
Stugotz
But who's going to be better in five years? The people running the Lakers have to think in terms of what's the immediate.
[05:46]
Mike Ryan
Agreed. But this is. Look, it's easy to be teammates when everyone's interests are aligned. This is where they conflict. They're totally different. So let's bring in Jamel here. Jamel Hill here. Her new episodes drop every week. Spolitics. That's her podcast. You can subscribe to her YouTube channel at. It's Jamel Hill. And she's also a contributing writer for the Atlantic, has been a longtime Metal arc advisor. How's this game show go? Do we have the sound? Let's go. Let's play the. Okay, and how do we chant it? Are you willing to die on this hill? This or that? This or that? Is it this or that hill? This hill? That hill? Are you willing to die on this hill? The alien fireworks are the exclusive domain of dumb men. Are you willing to die on that hill?
[06:36]
Dan Le Batard
Hill.
[06:38]
Jamel Hill
While I do think they continually do dumb things with him, I don't think it's just them. I mean, kids still do enjoy fireworks, but I'm not willing to die on that one. I don't think it's that serious with them boys, though?
[06:50]
Mike Ryan
These are fire.
[06:52]
Jamel Hill
Yes, yes. Generally. Generally, boys. I mean, I, I was using sparklers. I had a more tame firework experience. I didn't deal with fireworks that would cost me any limbs. But you know, generally, I, I don't. I, I won't die on that one. I. The men and the boy.
[07:08]
Mike Ryan
All right, we'll bring it back here at the. On the back end. I just wanted to start with something light before bringing you in on the we were having before you got here, which is. I have the most amazing dentist. It is a spa like experience. It is wonderful. It's the greatest thing I've known in dentistry, but she keeps talking about Trump and Deep State and I can't get her to stop. And what do I do?
[07:32]
Jamel Hill
Hell, okay. So it is hard to find a good dentist, though. And you're talking about a spa like experience for a dentist. Like, I've never even heard of that. I had a similar situation with a makeup artist and I really, really liked her and she. But I could tell that she was in a cult and unfortunately. But I still use her though, because she's just. She's too good. So. But what happens is I learned how to steer the conversation in my direction as opposed to letting her pick the topics. So it's always something light. Reality tv, you know, But I can't.
[08:13]
Mike Ryan
I can't talk. She's got sharpened.
[08:15]
Jamel Hill
Yeah, that is true.
[08:16]
Mike Ryan
In my mouth. And Greg Cody is telling me to tell her to shut up and dentist. And I'm not willing to do it. I'm not, I'm not. I'm unwilling to do that. I don't want. I don't want that future awkwardness. I'm enjoying my dentistry.
[08:30]
Jamel Hill
Well, I think. I think you got to suck it up, Dan. I mean, if you have to hear about the Epstein files for a while, if you have to hear about, you know, Deep State conspiracies, I think it's worth it. I think your teeth would appreciate that. You gotta do it for your teeth.
[08:43]
Mike Ryan
Okay. Thank you, Jamal. I appreciate the permission. You were onboarding when we were talking about LeBron and it's not something that we have ever seen before in our sports lifetime. Any of what happens with him at this age, any of what he's been is without precedent. What do you do if you're the Lakers? What do you do if you're LeBron? What is happening there? Do you think he lasts the season in Los Angeles?
[09:09]
Jamel Hill
I do. And listen, I could be really naive here, and I just don't think at his age, he's willing to go through the same process. And I get it. Like, another team would probably be able to build something around him so he could compete for another title. But he's 40 years old and his family loves Los Angeles. He loves living in Los Angeles. He certainly, you know, no disrespect to the Clippers, he's not going to go there, even though he wants to be in Los Angeles. But it reminded me of a recent conversation I had with Chris Paul down there in Miami when I was there for American Black Film Festival. And he talked about how tough these last five or six years have been on him because he's moved around so much of his career and he doesn't want to do that anymore. Like, that requires a certain amount of energy that requires you building not just another team, but you have to build an entirely new ecosystem around you. And I just don't think, at this age, nobody wants to do that. Like, I know that he always wants to compete, and I know he always, to some degree, loves having leverage and an advantage over a team, as he's put himself in that situation many, many, many times. But I think the. The mental bandwidth to do that is a legitimate factor here. And I think he's going to finish his career in Los Angeles.
[10:24]
Mike Ryan
I can't tell you how stunned I am to be having this conversation with Jamel Hill and her saying, I'm watching the way that he moves at 40 years old. And she's like, he's 40 years old. He doesn't want to physically move. It's. He doesn't. She's saying that LeBron James doesn't want the inconvenience because he's an old person who has ear hair of being moved to another city and competing more for a championship. He's just. He's too old for that shit, is what she's saying. Not to be great at basketball, but to move cities, man.
[10:56]
Jamel Hill
Think about it, Dan. You've been. Well, I know it's a little different with you because you've been in Miami your whole life. But right now, let's see, I've been in LA since 2018. The idea of picking up, moving, relocating, my whole life. And I. I'm not LeBron James. I don't have his money. He can make things as convenient as he possibly can. But you get to a certain age, and especially if you've built a good life for yourself in that city, it'd be one thing if he didn't like LA or This wasn't. All the things that he's exposed to in LA he really loves. And I just don't see him picking up and be like, you know what? Let's give Cleveland one more go.
[11:30]
Mike Ryan
Like, why Jamel? I'm not. I'm not. I'm not even making fun of you. You've made more sense than anyone I've asked about this because I keep thinking it's probable that he will leave. I keep thinking that there' no reason you begin this year with that salvo if you actually intend on staying there. That that is something to grease the wheels to leave. But you've convinced me based on just being old enough to not wanting to be bothered by the hassle of movers in your house.
[11:57]
Jamel Hill
Yeah. I mean, not just movers. It's like, his family's not gonna come with him. I mean, like, I don't see him having. Yeah, I mean, I'm sure his team and other people will, but. And I don't know. I don't know them at all. I met Savannah, his wife once, or a coup, actually. And I just don't get that impression, especially as he's winding down his career. And I think her input matters a lot because he said that she sacrificed so much throughout, you know, their marriage so that he can be this great basketball player, like, try selling her on another move. I just. I don't think it's. I don't think it would happen.
[12:36]
Mike Ryan
It's another good point. It's another good point. He's not going anywhere because of Savannah. How's that?
[12:41]
Jamel Hill
And he also still has Zuri. She's still in school. Like, he's not going to uproot them just to give this one more shot. And it's. And listen, I know the west is loaded, and there's no guarantees that anything will work out just because he moves and goes elsewhere. I think he just likes his life too much. And that doesn't mean he's not in his feelings about how they're transitioning the franchise, about, you know, if the reports are true. They didn't tell him about the sale. That doesn't mean that he's not upset with that. But is he upset enough to where he's just like, I'm a detonate this whole thing? I don't think so.
[13:14]
Stugotz
I just want to say that's smart logic to me. And we've seen it with a comparable talent down here in Lionel Messi. One of the reasons he signed with Inter Miami is that his family loves Miami. They owned A condo on Miami beach before he ever signed.
[13:27]
Dan Le Batard
He lives in Fort Lauderdale.
[13:28]
Stugotz
Well, his family owned a condo in Miami beach before he ever signed here, authenticating that his family and he used to vacation here. They love it here.
[13:38]
Mike Ryan
Unnecessary correction by your asshole son.
[13:40]
Stugotz
Yeah, I thought so too. That's okay, though.
[13:43]
Mike Ryan
In fact, let me do this for you. Hold on a second.
[13:47]
Stugotz
We've got a penalty.
[13:48]
Mike Ryan
Five minutes.
[13:48]
Dan Le Batard
Major asshole.
[13:58]
Greg Cody
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[15:04]
Dan Le Batard
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[15:26]
Tony
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[15:36]
Jamel Hill
Feel your body relax.
[15:38]
Tony
And let go of whatever you're carrying today. Well, I'm letting go of the worry that I wouldn' new contacts in time for this class. I got them delivered free from 1, 800 contacts. Oh my gosh, they're so fast.
[15:50]
Jamel Hill
And breathe.
[15:51]
Tony
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[16:02]
Mike Ryan
1-800-Contacts.
[16:04]
Greg Cody
Don LeBatard, are the stakes that high that if Angel Reese loses to Caitlin Clark, you need to start over again as a race?
[16:11]
Mike Ryan
Stugats?
[16:14]
Jamel Hill
I don't know that we have to necessarily start over, but it might have to be. It will be a black people's meeting, an important one that will be called the next day, where we might have to put some things on the agenda. Get it on the table.
[16:25]
Mike Ryan
This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats. What are you yelling about?
[16:38]
Dan Le Batard
Go back to game show. No one's here to cue the music.
[16:40]
Mike Ryan
Okay, then we lose. We all lose if we go back to the game show. And wouldn't that be unfortunate if we couldn't go back to die on that hill?
[16:49]
Stugotz
This.
[16:50]
Mike Ryan
You want to just play it? Just keep it playing. You know what? At any point, this can break out. All right. All right, Jamal, here's the question. Earlier in the show, don't ask me how this happened, but Chris Cody said there's no way that his father, at any point anymore in this point in his life, checks out porn on the Internet. So are you willing to die on that hill? Jamel Hill, at his age, if. If LeBron's not willing to do anything at 40 to move, are you willing to die on the hill? That Greg Cody, no way. He's too old for dabbling in any of that Internet smut. It's.
[17:28]
Jamel Hill
It's not that he would be too old. It's just that he just seems like such a wholesome man.
[17:32]
Stugotz
Thank you.
[17:33]
Jamel Hill
And I have a hard time believing.
[17:35]
Chris Cody
With that mustache I am a wholesome man.
[17:38]
Stugotz
Yes, thank you. What a great compliment.
[17:41]
Greg Cody
A wholesome man, strictly missionary.
[17:45]
Mike Ryan
We don't understand. Jamal, what are you looking at here? This scoundrel, this rascal. What is it that you're looking at that you see a wholesome man here?
[17:56]
Jamel Hill
Listen, he's got a collared shirt. It's probably 2,000 degrees in Miami. You know what I'm saying? He's always very rational. For the most part. It just. It alludes to me. I'm more likely to believe Greg is at a. A weekly Bible study than I am to believe that he is watching porn.
[18:17]
Stugotz
No way on that last one.
[18:18]
Mike Ryan
Zaslo, do you want to bring up your parenting conundrum to Jemel Hill?
[18:22]
Chris Cody
Jamel, should my 16 year old son be allowed to travel with his friends. No. Adult to Chicago for ufc.
[18:31]
Stugotz
Good card, though.
[18:32]
Mike Ryan
Good card, though.
[18:33]
Dan Le Batard
Answer that question.
[18:35]
Chris Cody
A couple caveats. Really good card. And he loves the Arab fighters.
[18:41]
Jamel Hill
Okay. Generally. What is his. What is his track record of responsibility?
[18:46]
Chris Cody
Responsible.
[18:47]
Dan Le Batard
Loves their.
[18:48]
Jamel Hill
Responsible.
[18:49]
Dan Le Batard
Is this the rotisserie chicken son?
[18:51]
Chris Cody
He ran around the Minecraft theater with a chicken jockey.
[18:54]
Mike Ryan
Okay.
[18:55]
Greg Cody
Not a good kid.
[18:56]
Mike Ryan
Yes, well, but wait a minute. Hold on. This is an unfair appraisal. This would not be happening and Zazlo would not be entertaining it at all if he did not believe his son to be responsible. Principle.
[19:08]
Stugotz
Hell yeah.
[19:09]
Jamel Hill
Okay. So I think you should let him go. I guess. I guess more the. The other. Wait, before I. Before I sell you too hard on this. Are his other friends responsible?
[19:23]
Chris Cody
Yes. Jamel. Nice Jewish boys. Yes.
[19:26]
Jamel Hill
Okay. All right, all right. That's important. I think you should let him go. Listen, when I was. I didn't. Well, I didn't go to Chicago, but we had this tradition, like a lot of us used to go to Cedar Point, which is in Sandusky, Ohio, the amusement park. So go there for a weekend. Friends. We did it. It was fine. All worked out.
[19:47]
Mike Ryan
So this is an upset. You and Tony are the only ones. Good card. The Internet. The Internet has gathered up and yelled at Zaslow. It's only you and Tony giving him this advice. Only you and Tony. Tony.
[19:59]
Stugotz
Jamel.
[20:00]
Dan Le Batard
I told him great card. Hamza Chimaev. Dricus du Plessis for the world title. Like, this is huge.
[20:05]
Stugotz
I love Samara Fighter.
[20:07]
Jamel Hill
And look, he's going there for a specific activity. It's a. A great experience. And I. I do think part of. And I say this as someone who's. Who's childish, so. Or childless. Excuse me. Also childish sometimes, but childless. And so it's easy for me to give advice, but one of the things I see with these young people and how they don't know how to deal with. With certain situations is because their parents do everything to continually protect them from discomfort. And not that it's uncomfortable going to Chicago, but the experience of being on your own in a city, traveling, you got to figure it out. You got to find out how not to make sure you wind up in a ditch. And I think that'll be an important experience.
[20:46]
Mike Ryan
Good advice from Jamel Hill alone with Tony on an island. But I would say that I will not trust any 16 year old and even less at a UFC fight. Even those two. Those two ingredients alone. I'm going to separate them. Fireworks, baby. I'm going to Keep both of those things apart from each other. 16 years old and UFC fight.
[21:06]
Jamel Hill
So if he were going then to, let's say, another event, let's say he.
[21:10]
Mike Ryan
Was going a butterfly museum.
[21:12]
Jamel Hill
Okay, what about Club World Cup? If he were going to like to something else.
[21:16]
Chris Cody
That seems so much more dangerous Club.
[21:18]
Jamel Hill
World cup than ufc.
[21:21]
Chris Cody
Hooligans.
[21:23]
Greg Cody
That's not a real thing.
[21:23]
Mike Ryan
Hooligans.
[21:24]
Stugotz
Hooligans.
[21:25]
Mike Ryan
Wait, the hooligans are in the crowd at UFC finals?
[21:28]
Stugotz
Yeah.
[21:28]
Jamel Hill
Yeah. So for you, Dan, it's about the event or is it the combination of.
[21:33]
Mike Ryan
Well, first, the thing that was stunning to me is that his 16 year old son didn't even ask permission, told him he was going.
[21:39]
Greg Cody
That's wild.
[21:40]
Jamel Hill
Oh, oh, okay, now see, that's a different story. You guys are missing key context. Like, no, no, no, no, no. You're gonna go. You gotta, you gotta give me a whole like, slide presentation about why you should go and be able to go with your friends.
[21:54]
Chris Cody
Yes, but it started with, hey, me and my friends, we bought tickets for UFC Chicago. It's this day, you know, my wife say, you're not going. It's not like he's, oh, yes, I am. And he's getting on a plane. I mean, we could, we could end it right now if we want.
[22:09]
Stugotz
Wow.
[22:10]
Jamel Hill
See, now, now, now I'm, I'm, I'm starting to crumble here because I'm troubled by the audacity of buying the tickets without asking you first.
[22:17]
Mike Ryan
I want to play for Jamal the sound that we've been playing with all morning. I believe that Conor McGregor in the history of sports is second only to Ali when he's on his game talking. And we want to play this sound for Jamel. She's got same body of sports journalism history that I do, so maybe she's got better talkers that she has seen in her life. But let's go to Conor McGregor again. Hasn't won a fight in five years, but knows how to sell bare knuckle fighting.
[22:41]
Zaslow
What's good, Hollywood? It's a pleasure to be back here at the Hard Rock Hotel, where, you know, this Saturday night we have a flagship event with a wealth of fighting machines, topped by our heavyweight knockout sensation, Luis Salzambo Perdoma, as he circles world title fight honors. But that's not all. As much as we love the Hard Rock Hotel here, and as much as they love bare knuckle, we have assembled our very first inaugural World Champion Summit before you all, where as you can see beside me and in front of me, some of the baddest men and women to ever grace planet Earth. This is what we're about here at Bare Knuckle Fighting Championship, the alien of combat sport. And may we rise above the night sky and rain down blows viciously on all our deniers and announce here today that bare knuckle FC has no love for the big glove. So let's get going. Bare knuckle. Let's go, Florida. And let's announce some incredible matchups, some shock signings, and the most lucrative tournament in all of combat sport where we crown in an open weight the baddest man on the planet. Let's go. Give it up.
[24:01]
Mike Ryan
Come on. Give me the game show music here. Conor McGregor is on a copious amount of cocaine. Jamel Hill, are you dying that hill?
[24:16]
Jamel Hill
Okay, so I'm.
[24:17]
Dan Le Batard
I'm.
[24:17]
Jamel Hill
You basically want me to defame somebody and accuse them of being on coke. Oh, I'm not that rich, Dan. I'm not you. I'm sorry, we'll have to go to Discovery.
[24:26]
Mike Ryan
Just looks like.
[24:26]
Jamel Hill
Oh, okay.
[24:27]
Mike Ryan
My proof would be looking.
[24:29]
Jamel Hill
Look, he could have just had a pretty strong Red Bull. You never know.
[24:32]
Dan Le Batard
But we don't know.
[24:34]
Jamel Hill
I mean, don't know this. Okay, look, there's. There's plenty of other natural substances that can give you that amount of energy. So I'm going to say not willing.
[24:44]
Mike Ryan
To die on that hill.
[24:46]
Jamel Hill
Not willing. Not willing to die on the hill of defamation. Conor McGregor.
[24:51]
Mike Ryan
All right, let's show her some video here of Conor McGregor. Conor McGregor, shadow boxing and any of the other videos that you can show of Conor McGregor. Clearly.
[25:02]
Greg Cody
I'm gonna go ahead and say it. Jamel won't.
[25:05]
Dan Le Batard
Okay, bend over.
[25:09]
Greg Cody
He's on something wider than that suit.
[25:11]
Mike Ryan
Come on. Come on, Jamal.
[25:14]
Jamel Hill
Doesn't Adderall do the same thing? I'm told.
[25:18]
Mike Ryan
You know what? Doesn't have to be Shadow box.
[25:21]
Dan Le Batard
There it is. I'm with J. I'm with Jamal. We don't know.
[25:23]
Mike Ryan
We don't know. Jamel, seeing you, I will tell the people again. New episodes of her podcast Politics every week on Iheart. Subscribe to her YouTube channel at It's Jamel Hill and also read everything she writes at the Atlantic. Thank you, Jamal.
[25:38]
Tony
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[26:36]
Mike Ryan
The McDonald's Snack Wrap is back. You brought it back. Ranch snack wrap. Spicy snack wrap. You broke the Internet for a snack? Snack wrap is back. Don lebatar.
[26:53]
Dan Le Batard
You have some hot takes today, Joe. Chestnuts of fire.
[26:55]
Greg Cody
Oh, he's on fire.
[26:56]
Dan Le Batard
He calls Connor McDavid overrated before the show.
[26:59]
Mike Ryan
What the hell was that?
[27:01]
Stugotz
Yeah, no, I love it. St. Roy, let me explain it to you. And not that you need you know more about hockey.
[27:06]
Dan Le Batard
And this is coming from a guy that's watched Conor play six times, right?
[27:09]
Stugotz
If that.
[27:12]
Mike Ryan
This is the D? Levitar show with the st. I didn't ask Jamel about the big award that you. You won recently. I should have told her about the big award that you want you won because we haven't talked about it at all. And congratulations on being a big award winner.
[27:35]
Stugotz
Thank you.
[27:36]
Mike Ryan
Tell us more about this. Look at how engaged you are now. Cannot wait to get in here and talk about this.
[27:43]
Stugotz
I was told a couple of days ago that I had been honored by the 75th annual Green Eyeshade Awards, which is a major journalism group group in the southeastern United States. The award encompasses the 12 southeastern states.
[27:58]
Chris Cody
Just 12?
[27:59]
Stugotz
Yeah, 12.
[28:00]
Dan Le Batard
Can't believe they used the silhouette of you for the award in this picture.
[28:06]
Mike Ryan
For the vent pair. It is a similar honker. It's a similar honker. It's not quite as chiseled as chin can go though. No, but his chin isn't quite that chiseled. But the nose seems life size.
[28:16]
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, the way he writes.
[28:18]
Stugotz
That's true. I do use a quill pen, so a lot of people know that.
[28:21]
Mike Ryan
Zaz, I saw you question here. This is a distinguished award. Green eyeshade. This is a. This is literary stuff. This is stuff. When I was coming up, this was important stuff.
[28:30]
Chris Cody
I'm just wondering which states. You know, it's 12.
[28:32]
Mike Ryan
Which 12 states?
[28:33]
Greg Cody
SEC countries probably think states, right?
[28:35]
Stugotz
It's the southeastern states. Yeah. Georgia, Florida, Louisiana.
[28:39]
Mike Ryan
You kicked Dave Hyde's ass.
[28:41]
Stugotz
Well, he didn't win and I did, so. Oh, that's what Dan in this case.
[28:45]
Chris Cody
But this is just for writing like no radio. Nothing. Nothing that involves a microphone.
[28:49]
Stugotz
This is sports commentary.
[28:50]
Mike Ryan
Number one. Sports commentary. Not number two. Not number three.
[28:54]
Stugotz
Correct.
[28:54]
Mike Ryan
Number one in 12 states.
[28:56]
Stugotz
Yeah. I was also part of a team of Herald writers that finished second in sports reporting for our Florida Panthers Stanley cup coverage.
[29:04]
Chris Cody
Who won that one?
[29:05]
Stugotz
I can't. It was not a. It was not a local for your.
[29:09]
Mike Ryan
Coverage of calling McGregor McDavid overrated.
[29:12]
Stugotz
Yes. Correct.
[29:13]
Greg Cody
You look great, man. You look like someone winning a journalism award.
[29:16]
Stugotz
Thank you.
[29:18]
Greg Cody
I'm proud of you.
[29:19]
Stugotz
Thank you.
[29:19]
Mike Ryan
Mike, where does this rank in terms of career achievements and noteworthy awards for you? Because I'm not kidding when I say I do remember that outside of the Associated Press awards, green eyeshade was viewed as the most literary of the journalism awards when we were coming up in the business. Is that still so?
[29:38]
Stugotz
I think so. I think it's a prestigious award. I was surprised to win. It probably ranks. I've made the Associated Press sports editors top 10 three times. And this probably ranks.
[29:51]
Dan Le Batard
Who's counting?
[29:51]
Greg Cody
What is the practical purpose of the green eyeshade? It's a wild look. It's reserved for accountants and poker dealers. Does it help you do something in particular?
[30:00]
Mike Ryan
Why.
[30:00]
Greg Cody
Why was that even a hat? It's not. It doesn't seem super practical, but it obviously has to have some sort of benefit.
[30:05]
Stugotz
I. As old as I am, the green eye shade predates me. Like I have no idea what that was used for.
[30:12]
Mike Ryan
Okay. So for those who cannot see it, the visor has. It's an eye shade and it's being worn the way that Steve Spurrier would wear a visor. And I, I don't know what a green eyeshade is. I don't know how it helps. I. I only associate it with this award that I wanted to win growing up. I don't remember whether or not I won it though. I don't have any recollection. I'm guessing you can copy editors.
[30:40]
Greg Cody
They're. They're part of the. The. The people that hold those positions that use green eye shades.
[30:45]
Stugotz
Okay.
[30:46]
Greg Cody
And they supposed to reduce eye strain and improve focus.
[30:49]
Stugotz
I actually was curious about the phrase and I googled it and it self corrected to green eyeshadow.
[30:57]
Greg Cody
It. It reduces harsh lighting.
[31:00]
Stugotz
Okay.
[31:00]
Chris Cody
So Dan, just to be clear, an award that Greg is really pleased to have won, you don't even bother to remember if you've won?
[31:08]
Mike Ryan
I remember that it mattered to me. I just. It's been so long that I don't remember whether I think I'd remember if I'd won. So I must not have.
[31:16]
Dan Le Batard
Wow. I'm seeing here that in 2010.
[31:19]
Stugotz
Wow. Good year for you.
[31:20]
Dan Le Batard
In the sports commentary category, Dan Levitard came in second place behind John Romano of the St. Petersburg Times.
[31:30]
Stugotz
Wow. An upset that.
[31:33]
Dan Le Batard
No disrespect, John, Just ahead of David Clamer.
[31:37]
Mike Ryan
And that was the only time I placed in the green ey shade. Are you telling me right now, are you announcing for the first time that Greg Cody has kicked my ass at writing by winning an award?
[31:45]
Stugotz
Something at a.
[31:46]
Mike Ryan
At a more diluted time.
[31:49]
Stugotz
I knew you were going to get that in there. I actually finished second in 2005. That tells you how old I am.
[31:55]
Mike Ryan
Congratulations, Greg Cody.
[31:57]
Tony
Wait a minute.
[31:58]
Dan Le Batard
It 2014.
[32:00]
Stugotz
Oh, good year for you.
[32:01]
Dan Le Batard
Dan Leitard beats Dave Hyde, number one. Dan LeBatard number two. Sunset knows Dave Hyde.
[32:06]
Greg Cody
You kicked his ass.
[32:07]
Stugotz
Look at you. How long ago was that?
[32:10]
Dan Le Batard
2014. 11 years ago.
[32:11]
Stugotz
All right, what have you done lately?
[32:12]
Greg Cody
Where, where are you putting that?
[32:14]
Dan Le Batard
Oh, that was like end of the big three.
[32:16]
Stugotz
Oh.
[32:17]
Mike Ryan
So to your original point, Zaz, it does appear that I've won an award. That's Greg.
[32:23]
Stugotz
Not as recently, though.
[32:25]
Greg Cody
Did you show up? Did you go?
[32:27]
Mike Ryan
I did not. No. Those things were.
[32:28]
Chris Cody
You remember?
[32:29]
Mike Ryan
Those things are uncomfortable. I will tell you. I will tell you. This is funny. This is scarring. I don't remember what the award was, but I do remember having to go to Jacksonville in order to accept it at what was an auditorium full of people. And what's funny about it, as I was running between TV hits and I grabbed a dry cleaning bag that I had not before getting this tuxedo tried on because I was renting a tuxedo. Ooh, least favorite G. It was way too big. Way too big. Upset. Agreed. But now imagine me walking up to make a speech, holding my pants up.
[33:09]
Greg Cody
They've seen a lot of ill fitting suits, I'm sure.
[33:12]
Mike Ryan
No, no, no. But holding. I had to. I had to hold it up.
[33:15]
Greg Cody
This was a belt.
[33:16]
Mike Ryan
This was not green eyeshade. This was a big giant. Alonzo Morning and Tim Hardaway were. There was like some stately televised award.
[33:23]
Greg Cody
Oh, yeah, you can't be doing that thing.
[33:25]
Mike Ryan
And I'm, I'm walking on stage, holding up, up my pants because I didn't try on the tuxedo before.
[33:32]
Dan Le Batard
I mean, as I continue to dive here in O3, you came in third place. Technically fourth place because two people were tied for second. So they gave you a third place, but was four.
[33:43]
Stugotz
Congrats.
[33:43]
Dan Le Batard
So you made your way up. 04. Third place. Really? Fourth place, 2010. Second place, 2014. You got it done.
[33:51]
Greg Cody
Why do you have such little regard for the green eye shade?
[33:54]
Mike Ryan
I didn't mean to do that. That was an accidental insult. Tony. Don't look at me that way. I did not remember.
[34:01]
Dan Le Batard
I don't even remember if I place.
[34:02]
Mike Ryan
I don't even know.
[34:03]
Greg Cody
Oh, I'm proud of you, Greg.
[34:05]
Stugotz
Thanks, Mike.
[34:05]
Greg Cody
The McGregor, the McDavid look. Now I'm doing it. The McDavid thing actually works.
[34:10]
Stugotz
How old is McDavid?
[34:11]
Dan Le Batard
Is he 37 or not?
[34:12]
Mike Ryan
We've all done it today. It's happening a lot throughout the industry. I saw last night and I wanted to ask you guys because I imagine all of you are a fan of this genre of movies, the prison escape movie. It can be done poorly. But I saw one that Daniel Ratcliffe starred in, Escape from Pretoria last night that was about, you know, some people wrongfully imprisoned in South Africa. It's a true story. What are the grays? The greatest prison escape movies that ever have been made. Because I think of Escape from Alcatraz, I think of Papillon, and those are the first two that come to Moshenk.
[34:49]
Stugotz
Yeah, Shawshank.
[34:50]
Chris Cody
I mean, I think a midnight expression.
[34:52]
Mike Ryan
I don't know if any of you have seen this movie. It's slow going. And the whole thing is based on how it is that these guys just sort of made keys in order to get out of a heavily armed prison. But what is it about this movie genre that will always get our attention? Because this one stopped me and I was like, how have I not seen this before Now?
[35:14]
Greg Cody
Was the Last Castle an escape movie? The one with Robert Redford and James Canolfini. That movie movie rocked, but not enough for me to actually remember if someone escaped.
[35:23]
Chris Cody
I love prison movies. Two kinds of movies I will watch, anyone are prison movies and time travel movies. I will watch. Anything about those two? I love prison movies.
[35:39]
Mike Ryan
Well, let's put this on the poll here at lebatard show. What will grab you every time the most Prison escape heist or shark. You get to choose from among those three. Shark heist. Prison escape. Shark's going to finish third there, right? No matter how much I talk about Jaws. And after Greg Cody shocked us all by coming out with the take on the 50 year anniversary of Jaws. Overrated. Doesn't hold up. Never understood it. You have to understand. Greg Cody has seen seven movies in his life. He is not a connoisseur in any way, shape or form, but he's very comfortable with his ignorance.
[36:13]
Stugotz
Well, that's not true.
[36:14]
Mike Ryan
True.
[36:14]
Stugotz
I've seen. I used to go to movies all the time when I was in college. So you know, you know all the President's men.
[36:21]
Greg Cody
Did you go see Jaws?
[36:22]
Stugotz
Yeah.
[36:23]
Greg Cody
Yeah. That had to be wild. What was the reaction?
[36:26]
Stugotz
People were gasping when the shark comes out of the water. You know, everybody's a gas.
[36:31]
Greg Cody
Had you ever seen anything like that before?
[36:33]
Mike Ryan
It was very realistic. I don't know why Greg Cody is saying it doesn't hold up. Like, I mean when I watch it.
[36:38]
Stugotz
Now, I'm like, like, what a fake looking shark. I'm sorry.
[36:42]
Greg Cody
Yeah, but a lot of people are. But it's still very scary. Very effective. Think of a. There's. There's such a huge economy around that movie. The licensing has been. It's still generating buku bucks.
[36:53]
Stugotz
Right?
[36:53]
Greg Cody
And it's never, no one ever dares to invoke, hey, let's remake this. It's such, it's, it's such an easy movie to remake. The, the shark doesn't look super real by today's standards. No one wants to touch that film because it's perfect.
[37:06]
Stugotz
You're right. And, and in real. I remember in real time in the mid-70s, that movie had a chilling effect on beach going and wandering into the ocean.
[37:16]
Mike Ryan
It's not just that though. There are so many ways that that can be done poorly. Like in watching some of these documentaries. It took them a minute before they arrived at the title Jaws. But one of the rejected titles was what's that gnawing on my leg?
[37:30]
Greg Cody
Yeah, I like that one.
[37:31]
Dan Le Batard
What?
[37:32]
Greg Cody
Do you believe it? Believe it. Talk about time travel. Imagine if we were 50 years after talking about what's that noise on my leg?
[37:41]
Mike Ryan
Put it on the poll.
[37:41]
Greg Cody
It sounds like a podcast.
[37:43]
Mike Ryan
Put it on the poll at Levitard show. Would Jaw Wood Jaws had been as popular if it had been exactly the same movie?
[37:54]
Greg Cody
But that podcast is hosted by Zoe.
[37:58]
Mike Ryan
But named what's that gnawing on my leg? Because the movie could be exactly the same. And that one detail. I'm with you. There's no way.
[38:12]
Greg Cody
There's no way John Williams is like, I'm going to nail this score for what's that gnawing on my leg. I bet you the music is different because he's, he's like, that music says Jaws, but it doesn't say what's that gnawing on my leg.
[38:24]
Mike Ryan
That's crazy to think about how many details could derailed something because I, I just don't believe we talk about it with the same reverence in any way. If everything had been the same but that had been the title.
[38:36]
Chris Cody
Also, I don't think the shark is. I don't think Jaws is as big if it's what's that gnawing on my.
[38:40]
Greg Cody
I would just love to see the people reading the best picture nominees that year. One Flew over the Cuckoo's Nest. What's that gnawing on my legs?
[38:48]
Mike Ryan
Spielberg was hurt because they didn't get nominated, but they certainly wouldn't got nominated if the name of the movie is what's that gnawing on my leg?
[38:55]
Greg Cody
Might have helped if Cuckoo's Nest wants.
[38:57]
Mike Ryan
So I come back around on the point that I made earlier because you guys put it on the poll at LeBatard show. More, more iconic music from the movies. Jaws theme or Star wars theme. But if you guys had to choose rivals, rival musical things. And I give you the entirety of the history of the movies. I was marveling at the idea that a shark movie 50 years later would be the thing that would ascend to the very top of my list. But what else would you put in this conversation?
[39:31]
Greg Cody
Horror has as a genre a secret hack to making music so extra important and memorable because you could be walking down the street and if you hear you already go back back to that Psycho. Another one. Some of the more iconic scores are in that horror genre because it makes you fear. It elicits that Good, Bad, the Ugly is great, but it doesn't necessarily make you feel anything when you hear it. If you hear Psycho while you're showering, you're going to feel fear.
[40:10]
Dan Le Batard
I got the one for my generation and it's easy. Jurassic Park.
[40:13]
Greg Cody
John Williams. Man, there's a John Williams documentary that's pretty solid. That guy's wonderful.
[40:18]
Dan Le Batard
That will give me goosebumps every single.
[40:19]
Mike Ryan
Time if we did a movie. I know they do this on the Greg Cody show featuring Greg Cody, but I feel like we can ask Greg Cody some very simple movie questions that he would not know the answers to. That would make his expertise very popular.
[40:33]
Stugotz
Segment on my podcast, occasional segment hosted by my youngest son, Michael.
[40:38]
Mike Ryan
It's just to point out how little you know about the movies, right?
[40:41]
Stugotz
Well, I try. I sometimes answer them correctly. Depends on their questions.
[40:45]
Mike Ryan
Could you name an actor from Goodfellow?
[40:48]
Stugotz
De Niro.
[40:49]
Dan Le Batard
See, that's he knows De Niro and Al Pacino. Like those are the ones he'll usually get.
[40:54]
Stugotz
Those are my go to actors. No matter what movie you mention, their.
[40:57]
Mike Ryan
Late life choices on movies have been interesting. Pacino and De Niro in a race to make crud in their 80s, for example.
[41:06]
Dan Le Batard
Dad, who starred in Braveheart, I have no idea.
[41:09]
Mike Ryan
De Niro, such a different, different movie.
[41:13]
Dan Le Batard
Great segment.
[41:13]
Mike Ryan
I'm telling you, that was.
[41:14]
Stugotz
But Braveheart, how am I supposed to.
[41:17]
Greg Cody
Know that you can never take our freedom?
[41:18]
Mike Ryan
That was also going to be De Niro and what's that gnawing on my leg?
[41:23]
Zaslow
Planet Earth.
[41:25]
Greg Cody
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