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Brandon Marshall
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Dan Le Batard
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Brandon Marshall
Dan Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.
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Dan Le Batard
We were talking a bit flippantly earlier about TUA and brain injuries and the way that he is most associated with the idea that we do not know just how much damage damage is done to the human brain playing football. Jackson Dart doesn't know why or how he ended up in the concussion protocol on Sunday, but he has now started 10 games and has five times where the concussions have knocked him out of games. His playing style is going to welcome violence. His recklessness, his athleticism, his size. Not great, not great size. Not exactly Josh Allen, the Centaur, not exactly Justin Herbert. And wasn't that long ago that when Russell Wilson or Baker Mayfield were coming into the league, we were saying that's not enough size for that position. But we were doing it because the lineman and looking over the line was the problem. We weren't actually doing it because, oh, their head's Going to get batted around. And there are all sorts of dangers out there. When I say Jackson Dart has played all of 10 games, and I've told you, we've got at least five concussions that we know about. Concussion protocol situations that we know about.
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Chris
Okay. Situations. Not five confirmed.
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Mike Ryan
He did not get five confirmed.
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Chris
That seems crazy.
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Tony
Of the 10 games, he's got five times that he's gone to the blue medical tent to get selected to, you know, concussion protocol, but he's also missed two games because of a concussion.
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Dan Le Batard
Okay. I don't know if you guys watched Kenny Pickett at all last Sunday against Phil Philadelphia, but that is offensive incompetence. And Kenny Pickett went through. While TUA was going through his stuff, Pickett was also getting an unusual number of concussions, but we skipped right past that because we didn't have the one game by itself on a prime time where you've got an arm spasming like it was a seizure and everyone worried about should to be out there. What do you do with what I just put in front of you as it relates to Jackson Dart, where he's woozy enough that he's getting sent to the tent and he's head into a protocol while he's not missing three weeks like C.J. stroud did? And while we don't know how this affects people while they're sleeping during the week, all of this stuff is kept quiet. In terms of the details, I remember the first time. Do you remember the hit that Chris Chambers took against the Denver Broncos? Kennedy going across the middle, where he ended up missing six weeks. And we don't talk about the details of what it looks like to be in the protocol. CJ Stroud on a Tuesday of his third week was being ruled out. That means he's failing the tests. If I put the details in front of you guys, do you imagine you'd be horrified by what the details were that the doctors are using to make someone fail a concussion protocol test?
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Brandon Marshall
Yeah.
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Dan Le Batard
Do you imagine that the details. Because I remember the first time I was ever introduced to concussions at all. It was the old University of Miami defensive end Bill Hawkins, who said, it's the first time I ever had any inkling what football could do to the human head. Bill Hawkins was saying that he's on the field and he's pass rushing, and he couldn't stop thinking about M&Ms. Like that. His brain was just scrambled. And all he was thinking about while he was running around out there was M and Ms. Troy Aikman in the recent Netflix documentary about the Cowboys, says he played in an NFC championship game. He does not remember. He doesn't remember any of the details. He played in the entire game. He won the game, I think. I think he won the game. I think he played well without remembering it. What do you guys do with the Jackson Dart information?
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Chris
I mean, I don't know that there's anything to actually do with it. I think this is, this is the game. And as long as he ends up passing concussion protocol, whenever it is, he's going to go out there and play again. Like, these guys chose this life. I don't think there's anything to actually do about it.
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Greg Cody
If we could predict a proneness to concussions, it would change everything about the way we draft and think of quarterbacks and other positions. Dolphins never would have drafted Tua. Giants never would have drafted Dart. I mean, you can't foresee it coming unless there's a history in college. You just can't foresee it coming. And it is absolutely frightening. And that's the hard part about how to even talk about it is that we all know that the next serious concussion Tua gets is the end of his career. But yet we fault him when he's running for a first down and slides. Shouldn't have slid short, shouldn't have slid.
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Dan Le Batard
Got to dive forward there.
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Greg Cody
See, it's, it's very difficult because we're playing both sides there. You know, he's playing for his future, his health, his kids, futures. And yet, you know, he can't be the player we want him to be. It's just, it's super frightening, the whole subject.
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Tony
Greg on the tour situation, right? Like, did he have a documented concussion in college? I don't know. I don't think so.
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Dan Le Batard
No. That was not something that he came out into.
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Brandon Marshall
It was the hip, it was the ankle.
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Tony
It was all those things. So like, when you talk about injury prediction, obviously we don't have. That doesn't exist, but you would look at that and say like, all right, his hip, his ankle, but not a concussion in the, in the pros. He hasn't had any issues with his hip or his ankle.
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Chris
I think he hurt his hip last year.
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Mike Ryan
The only predictive analysis you could do in terms of prone to concussions is size. And that's something that they take into account. I'm not sure what I'm supposed to do with the Jackson Doer thing, but I know what the Giants should probably do. Change his playing style. He can play from the pocket. He has A decent arm. I don't know how dependent he is on his athleticism to make the arm work. I think he's pretty good throwing the football. I tell him to change his style, see if we can work on that. That is something that you can work on with players. And I evaluate the roster and I maybe bring back Jameis Winston. I make sure that I have a good backup quarterback. Because him being knocked out of game seems to be the thing. He's averaging a half a visit to attempt a game.
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Chris
I remember it stood out to me at the beginning of this college football season when they were talking about Arch Manning and the advice that he got from, from Archie Manning before the season started, before that game at Ohio State. Cause Archie Manning likes to run around, you know, and the advice, it stuck with me. The advice that he gives him on the phone before they hang up, every phone call when they talk about football, before they hang up, Archie tells Arch, get down or get out of bounds. And like that, that really stood out to me that that's what it is with these guys. Get down or get out of bounds.
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Dan Le Batard
Brandon Marshall is gonna join us here in a little bit and I'll ask him some of these questions about concussions. Cause I am curious. I did a story a while ago with Bernie Kzar where we were walking through his home and he was just sort of explaining to me the era that he played in where he's explaining what it's like to get sacked on AstroTurf by Lawrence Taylor. And he's just sort of going through his house and showing me where he keeps some of his teeth. His body has been destroyed by football. And I'm imagining when he talks about some of the dependencies to alcohol that he has had that have resulted in a, in a liver transplant plant, I'm assuming that he's doing some self medicating on pain there because you need something to make your body feel a little bit better. If you're being sacked back then on Astroturf by Lawrence Taylor, you're not protecting the quarterbacks the way you are now. It is fairly amazing that during our lifetime, the moment, moment that Tom Brady got hurt is the moment that all the rules changed for the quarterbacks. It's also amazing to me that even though the rules have changed for the quarterbacks, Jackson Dart is still ending up in the concussion protocol five out of the last 10 games. Which it's not just oxymoronic that you can't keep a violent game safe. It's also a delusion to think that there are any rules that you could put in place for the quarterback that would actually protect the quarterback. Given that every week we're looking at a call still, that's roughing the passer, where all of us are saying, that's not roughing the passer. The number, the lengths that they're going to to protect these quarterbacks, where you actually have Jeffrey Simmons coming in and coming in right up the middle and trying to put his arms at his side because he doesn't want to land the wrong way on a quarterback that he's been sacking the entirety of his life before. Think about what we're to do to protect these people. And yet still it's impossible to protect them. Mike sitting here saying, change Jackson Darts playing style, and I'm like, man, that's just going to be really hard to do. You can tell him, but once you're being chased by somebody, you're going to run out of the pocket. This guy's instinct, the thing that makes Jackson dart, Jackson Dart, the thing that makes him paint his face that way and want to be a New York star, is that he's going to run right through to try and get to the end zone. I don't know how you change that.
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Tony
And it's hard to change those things. Like we talk about the Diego Pavia situation. Like Diego Pavia got to where he is because he is like that. So asking him to stop being the way that he is is kind of tough. You can look at hindsight and be like, yeah, he shouldn't have done that. But that's who he is. Jackson Dart is a guy who's going to be athletic. He's going to go out and try to be aggressive and get first downs and dive head first. Like, how do you train somebody to not do what he's done his entire life?
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Greg Cody
I mean, you can, you can retrain Jackson Dart and TUA to be different kinds of quarterbacks, but always to the detriment of the team. I mean, that's the big criticism is if your quarterback can't run on third and two with a. With a likelihood of getting a first down. That's a huge problem in the modern NFL. And it is the big difference. One of the big differences, why Josh Allen is so great, why Patrick Mahomes has been so great. Those guys can run on third and eight and you feel good that they're going to get a first down.
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Dan Le Batard
But the reason, or one of the reasons that this has not afflicted Josh Allen, I told you earlier, this season. How weird it was for me to see Sauce Gardner come on. A blindside blitz hit Josh Allen in the back, and he just spun out of it. Because Sauce Gardner's not big enough to do anything that actually hurts Josh Allen. In my lifetime. Let me see if I have this right, because, you guys, I understand how it is that you would come about saying, well, just teach him how to play differently. In my lifetime in football, there have been two things that I could remember that have been coached out of a player. Tiki Barber used to fumble, and then they made him hold the ball differently, and he stopped fumbling. He no longer was a fumbler. Usually if you're a fumbler, you just lose your job. You don't stop being a fumbler. You just get run out of the league. The other thing that the. That was coachable is Josh Allen's recklessness. He is less reckless. He can still do it, but he doesn't turn over the ball as much. Do you guys have a lot of examples of a coach being able to coach the style out of a quarterback? Like, coach, coach?
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Mike Ryan
I have a couple. But sometimes the league legislates it with how they hit you.
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Dan Le Batard
Right.
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Mike Ryan
Ben Roethlisberger stopped doing that because his body couldn't do it anymore. He kind of grew out. Remember what he was when he broke into the league and what he was when he left the league. But Donovan McNabb was a guy that leaned on rushing the ball a lot, and Andy Reid changed his style of play. He was a guy that could tuck it down and run if you needed him to, but he wasn't the scrambler that he was when he broke into the league and certainly not the scrambler that he was in syrac.
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Brandon Marshall
Josh Allen, a little more reckless than he was a few years ago.
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Dan Le Batard
Wow. You weren't listening at all to this second ago. You just. What were you doing? Were you. Were you thinking about cake?
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Brandon Marshall
I was thinking about examples like Josh Allen. It's a good example, but it's one.
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Dan Le Batard
Of the examples that I gave the two.
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Greg Cody
Probably while I was thinking is worth reiterating two examples.
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Tony
The most recent example that he gave.
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Mike Ryan
That's on me.
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Chris
Oh, no one's confused by that.
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Brandon Marshall
So you admit it's a good example.
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Greg Cody
So you were right, Christopher.
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Brandon Marshall
Good job, Chris.
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Tony
Definitely not wrong.
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Brandon Marshall
But I should listen better.
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Dan Le Batard
You were thinking about lunch, weren't you?
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Brandon Marshall
Like what I was looking. It's not here.
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Dan Le Batard
All right, I'm going to. I'm going to stop now and wait for Brandon Marshall and see if I could do a show that the executive producer wants to listen to next.
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Tony
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Mike Ryan
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Dan Le Batard
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Mike Ryan
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Tony
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Greg Cody
To do this with us?
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Tony
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Dan Le Batard
I swear.
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Brandon Marshall
Dan LeBatard. Cheaters never prosper. Stugats.
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Dan Le Batard
I ain't cheating.
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Brandon Marshall
This is the Dan lebatar show with the stugats.
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Dan Le Batard
Foreign.
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Brandon Marshall
What's up, B. Marsh? What's up? What's up, man? They told me to start to intro you like that. I was a little embarrassed to do it.
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Tony
I was gonna say Brandon, but he.
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Brandon Marshall
Told me to say B. Marsh. I was a little devil over his shoulder.
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Dan Le Batard
It sounded bad. It sounded clunky. It sounded.
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Tony
I told him to say, bf, what up?
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Brandon Marshall
Listen, listen. If this was three years ago, it would have been on point, right? Because I was afra friend of the show. But dang, guys, you haven't invited me on a show in about three to four years. What's up?
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Dan Le Batard
It's overly chummy. Given that he hasn't been on the show in a while. He'd also be offended by the conversation that we were having before he came on, because I'm like, this person's really close to being a Hall of Famer. If I'd given him a quarterback, if I'd given him a quarterback, I feel like Brandon Marshall would have been in the hall of fame. 12,000 yards in 13 seasons, that's pretty prolific. So it's nice to see you. Thank you for being on with us. Who was the best quarterback you played with?
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Brandon Marshall
Great question. It was Ryan Fitzpatrick. I mean, that's an easy answer for me. I had 22 guys throw me a pass. Ryan Fitzpatrick easily was the greatest one. I was just on another show and we were talking about Philip Rivers, right? When I was playing with Ryan, when I had Chad Pennington, when we had Josh McCown go from, you know, substitute teacher to back to the Chicago Bears and then lead the Bears to the number two, number one Chicago Bears offense ever, I realized that the quarterback position was 80% mental, 20% physical. Now, if we're going physical. Then I got to start with Jay Cutler, right? There wasn't a ball, there wasn't a pass that he couldn't throw. I mean, he was one of the greatest athletes I ever been around, but there was so much else going on around him, whether it's our team, you know, maybe where he was at, where he never was able to elevate to where I believe Jay Cutler could have ended up on the quarterback list. But Ryan Fitzpatrick, man, was a beautiful, beautiful guy to play with. There you go.
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Dan Le Batard
Yes.
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Brandon Marshall
They got my baby. That's my baby. That's my baby.
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Dan Le Batard
I should have mentioned, by the way, he'll be part of the in studio team for Netflix's NFL Christmas Day double header broadcast. He'll be doing Lions.
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Brandon Marshall
Let's go.
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Dan Le Batard
Vikings live pregame show starts at 4pm before you came on with us, we were talking about concussions here, and I don't think that we have any real knowledge of what it means to have your head scrambled. Can you explain to us any of the details? I don't know if you ever had much experience with concussions, but the parts that people don't know about lack of sleep or how you actually get affected and scared. What can you tell us that people don't know? Wow.
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Brandon Marshall
The first thing that came to mind when you said I actually got goosebumps and chills right now as soon as you said that, the first thing I thought about was my only concussion. And it was in my contract year and it was when I was in my sauna at home and I was like, oh, this concussion thing is real, is when I just like literally just put my head down, just close my eyes. I wanted to sit a little bit, maybe 15, 20 minutes in a sauna. And soon as I put my head, I almost tipped over and then I jumped out. I didn't know if it was because of the heat, and that probably wasn't a good idea at the time. And I did not tell this to the team because this is my contract year. If I lost games, I probably lost a big deal. And so I got out the sauna, then I, you know, got dressed, I went to go put on my shoes and I fell over again. And that was two weeks after the concussion. I said, dang, this two weeks ago I had this concussion and every time I would bend over to, you know, put my shoes over, close my eyes, I would just fall. I would almost fall over. You know, it was very scary at the time. And I had to promise my lady that I would never do that again. But what I was thinking about was my kids that never came. You know, I was thinking about my kids that I have now. Z. Ziggy and Zo. I said, there's no way they're going to drag. Take me off this football field. I came too far from the poorest county in all of Pennsylvania, one of the toughest cities, poverty stricken. There's no way I'm going back there. That's the only thing I could think about. So all I was saying is I'm finishing this year. Finishing year. I end up finishing having over 100 catches, you know, another Pro bowl year. And I went on to the Miami Dolphins, came down here with you. Dan, you did not invite me on the show at the time. I think you still was at espn. You was with the bad guys at the time and yeah, so that was my situation with concussions.
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Dan Le Batard
We recently talked about something that Quentin Jammer, I believe you played against Quentin Jammer. Quentin jammer said in 2010 he played eight games just shit face drunk. And I'm like, that's not possible. You cannot cover Brandon Marshall if you're drunk. You can't cover him when you're sold. Do you think it's possible that he was shit face drunk for, he said, eight games in 2010 or 2011?
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Brandon Marshall
Your show is going to turn to something different because I'm about to give.
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Tony
Some viral.
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Brandon Marshall
Bites myself. I played high one game and I had three touchdowns with Chicago Bears against the San Francisco 49ers. Now, I wasn't high off of no drugs or weed. Well, that type of drugs. No street drugs. I was actually high off of pain pills. Right. The week before we're playing against The San Francisco 49ers, about to open up their new stadium. It was like Sunday Night Football, Monday Night Football. I tore my ankle. I was supposed to be out six weeks. I said no way. And I asked the team just give me until pre game to show prove to them that I could be good enough to go out there. And so, man, I take this thing up after a long week of just healing and recovery, flying doctors into Chicago to help me out. And I mean, I may have popped like six, six pills, right? What is it, codeine or something? Codeine and hydrocodeine. And then there was two other things. I got the, the horse shot. They call it that. The one shot you get in your butt. I got that time. They wasn't the tortoise. Yeah, there was. So I, at the time, they stopped giving us the tortoise shot. So what I ended up doing is going on the black market and getting torto pills. So I took two tordalls, I took maybe four or so hydro codeines and I went out there and I felt nothing. And I scored three touchdowns. Well, career high, three touchdowns. So yes, a guy can go out there drunk for eight games and play pretty good. What do you, what do you remember.
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Dan Le Batard
About how your thinking was affected? Cause you had five catches for 48 yards, you had the three touchdowns. You, you have some cognizant memories of how it is that you felt or you just felt nothing?
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Brandon Marshall
No, I just remember. I just remember taking them, you know, right before we went out and just being like, holy sh. I'm trying to stop cursing here. So can't say that because my mom is watching your show. She's a big fan. But I'm like, holy, what is happening? I was scared. I said I may have made a mistake. I don't feel the pain, but am I going to be able to remember all these plays? But I was fine. I was fine. I really was fine. You know, I was able to, I was able to navigate through it. So there was no, no, no lacks in that area.
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Chris
Brandon, the season opener in 2008 against the Chargers and Quinton Jammer, you had 18 catches for 166.
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Brandon Marshall
He was drunk.
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Chris
And a touchdown.
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Brandon Marshall
He was drunk. How you give up 18 catches? He was drunk. No, no, no, no. It wasn't against Quentin Jammer. That was more so on Antonio Cromartie.
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Tony
Crow, he had 11 tackles though, Quentin Jammer.
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Brandon Marshall
So you gotta think maybe there's a chance that was near you. Yeah. So. Well, 2011, that was a different year. You gotta, you should have asked. Not. Mental health is a real thing. You know, I think this. When did he retire? Right? Because 2011, the first time I faced Quentin Jammer and I used to see him twice a year was in 2006. And that was actually my welcome to the NFL moment was Quentin Jammer. So Coach Shanahan, it was week six, so Coach Shanahan called me on an off day and he brought me in his office and he said, I'm putting you in now. He said, here's your package and here's who you're going against. I think this is a great matchup for you. You're 6, 5, 2, 30. You know, he's like slow, he's stiff. You know, you're going to be able to dominate this guy. But this is your, this is your time. It's time to go. It's going to be about 20, 30 plays. You're the third receiver now. Okay, you ready? I said, yeah, I'm ready. So I go out the best buy myself a TV that I couldn't afford at times when pleas those. Those big TVs was thousands of dollars. And I went outside my budget. I said, man, I'm gonna go buy this. So I got it off, man, I gotta go ball out on Sunday, man. I get out there on Sunday, Quentin Jammer jam me up. Quentin Jammer. I said, this is a grown man. I couldn't get down the field. I said, man, what. Coach. Coach Shanahan set me up for failure. So that was my experience with Quentin Jammer, and there was so much respect for him after that. And those years after, you know, they started to deteriorate a little bit. So maybe he was just in a different headspace in 2011.
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Dan Le Batard
Well, I remember the game that you had against Darrell Revis, because you were as formidable as there was at the position. Give me a guy that you went up against like that, where you would put even ahead of Quentin Jammer, because that's at the beginning of your career. You then learn some things. But give me later in your career, you're established and you're going up against somebody and you're like, this is a problem.
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Brandon Marshall
Yeah, a couple guys, right? So when I was young, there was always like these grown men, right? I'm like, oh, this is. This is the NFL. Grown men. Quentin Jammer was one of those guys. Another guy was Al Harris, Al Harri, defensive back coach, I believe, for the Dallas Cowboys. Maybe now. He used to play for the Green Bay Packers. He was a grown man. Okay? Now, when you look at my peers, of course, you have Darrell Revis out there. You have a Keyb Talib, you have Richard Sherman. He has some great matchups out there. But there were some interesting guys too, right? There was guys I was like, oh, I wasn't prepared for him. And there was guys I feel like kind of made their career or started their career off of games, like against games against Gilbert. So Bump and Run Gilmore, okay, so he. He was one of those young guys. I was like, okay, he's interesting. I gotta watch a little bit more film on him. Another young. Another guy was. I'm sorry, I'm missing his name. The. The. The defensive back that Coach Belichick benched in the Super Bowl. We all was like, what is Butler? Yeah, Malcolm Butler. Malcolm Butler shut me and Alon Jeffrey down. When we were in Chicago, this dude came off the bench, he looked like he came out of the bar and he just shut us down.
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Dan Le Batard
Down.
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Brandon Marshall
And then there was another guy, Xavier Howard from the Miami Dolphins. Xavier. And Howard was a dog, Right? So there were some guys out there, but of course the big dogs, you know, Chant Bailey, Darrell Revis, those were some grown men and some, some really cool matchups. And another one that, you know, I, I probably never beat this guy or, you know, I had some great matches against Relievas, but Charles Woodson, Charles Woodson was, was 50 years old and I couldn't understand why he was still keeping up with me.
- [28:36]
Tony
Fluid hips.
- [28:37]
Dan Le Batard
Well, well, you mentioned Malcolm Butler. That body. You're just looking at that body and you're like, that can't cover me. Correct?
- [28:44]
Brandon Marshall
Correct. 100. He looks like your guy over there. What's this guy that asked me the question about, what's your name over there?
- [28:55]
Tony
She's got a big ass head. Right.
- [28:56]
Brandon Marshall
And his soda drinker's body. How long have you been on the show?
- [28:59]
Chris
Like eight or nine months now.
- [29:01]
Dan Le Batard
How long?
- [29:02]
Chris
Eight, nine months.
- [29:03]
Brandon Marshall
Yeah. You're a new guy. You're the new guy. You're the rookie. You're the rookie. Yeah. Yeah. This Show's been around 20 years, buddy. Okay. Earn your stripes, buddy.
- [29:10]
Chris
I'm trying my best.
- [29:12]
Brandon Marshall
Get out of here. You're still in your first year. Get out of here. Do you have guys over here been on the show for 10 years doing the same thing, getting Dan's coffee over here. And now you gonna give, you gonna give him TV time? How dare you give him TV time in the first year.
- [29:27]
Chris
I regret bringing up your 18 cat.
- [29:32]
Mike Ryan
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- [30:18]
Tony
Thursday Night Football is on and it's only on Prime Video. This week, the NFC west grabs the spotlight as the Los Angeles Rams visit the Seattle Seahawks.
- [30:27]
Dan Le Batard
What a game.
- [30:28]
Tony
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- [31:24]
Brandon Marshall
Don LeBatard the Hoy is Captain Slappy.
- [31:27]
Dan Le Batard
St. Is this chum Bucket?
- [31:30]
Brandon Marshall
This is Dan Levitar show with the stugats.
- [31:41]
Dan Le Batard
Do you have a good Talib story? Because he, he was scary. Talib was scary.
- [31:48]
Brandon Marshall
I guess my only key to leap story was getting this podcast business last year. So, you know, I went through a lot, had a breakup on our podcast and then I was like, I'm gonna put the team back together. And so this is like my third time, like taking a shot at it. Khalid Aqib comes down and he gives his speech to everybody who was there. Martellus Bennett, Ted Prescott, all these guys, some legends. And he's like, we got our brothers back. I believe in team, team, team, team, team, team, team. Boy, we got into the season Akee after like week two, week three, he's like, nah man, I can't show up.
- [32:31]
Dan Le Batard
It was a good.
- [32:31]
Brandon Marshall
And now he's on. And now he's on Gilbert Arenas platform doing a phenomenal job. But it's exactly, you know, what everybody saw because years ago he was taken off in the booth and then he had to, you know, step aside for a couple of years. But he's one of the bright spots in sports media now. I'm excited for him and miss and sad that we missed the opportunity to build a platform together. But he's going to do well.
- [32:56]
Dan Le Batard
I don't know your age. Off the top of my head. I assume you're younger than Philip Rivers. When you're watching Philip Rivers not come, you know, not play for five years and then play that way, your assessment was what of that performance on Sunday?
- [33:11]
Brandon Marshall
Not surprised at all. Not surprised. I was excited, you know, I wanted to see the ratings. That's why I want to see how Many people actually going to turn on a TV just to see. Very curious. You know, I didn't expect him to go over 150 and I think that may have been a line, so I wasn't expecting that. But I was expecting him to operate at a high level. You guys got to think, you know, he goes way back with this, this head coach. This head coach was, you know, on his offensive staff when he was still playing. And, you know, quarterbacks, they know what they can do and what they can't do, right? It's not like they're going to throw a whole playbook at him, right? So, you know, the Saturday before the game, you get the call, she was like, I like this, I like that, I don't like that. Right? So he's going to be in a comfortable spot. The question was, was he going to be able to bounce up from a hit? And, you know, they protect the quarterback. Now, I said this earlier, when we talk about the quarterbacks, the quarterback position is 80% mental, okay? Peyton Manning, at what, 40 something years old as well, couldn't with a broken neck, he won the Super Bowl. He couldn't pass, he couldn't make a throw the ball past 25. Who's this guy over here shaking his hand? Who's this guy?
- [34:20]
Dan Le Batard
Who is this? Tony. That's Tony.
- [34:22]
Tony
What up, bm? What up? No, what I was going to say is the defense really cared. He went nine for nine touchdowns, 17 picks that season. Brock Osweiler also helped a little bit, but. No, I agree.
- [34:30]
Brandon Marshall
Hold on. I like you. I like you wearing a daily shirt. I love those guys. Those are my guys.
- [34:35]
Tony
Those are our guys.
- [34:36]
Brandon Marshall
Those are my guys. Yeah. Shout out to Chris, but. And also, you know your stuff, because I was going to go there, but you cut me off. When you start doing a little hand gesture. Great defense, they can run the ball. They could do it all. Brock Oswald. That's where you miss me. Brock Oswalter. They paid him all that money and.
- [34:49]
Tony
He stunk it up. He was trash.
- [34:50]
Mike Ryan
I agree.
- [34:51]
Brandon Marshall
He stunk it up. He stunk it up. But Peyton Manning was able to do his job. That's all. That's all you need out of some of these quarterbacks. Just do your job. Don't mess up the game when you have all those other pieces around them. They happen to have potentially this year's best back in football, right? They got a good defense. Just don't mess it up. Just don't mess it up. Ken, I like you, though, man. How long you been on this show?
- [35:13]
Dan Le Batard
Five years.
- [35:14]
Brandon Marshall
All right. You're OG Better than Zaz.
- [35:16]
Tony
Big guy head.
- [35:17]
Greg Cody
Zaz.
- [35:17]
Brandon Marshall
Why does Zaz got the better seat than you? Like that doesn't make any sense. You guys should switch right now.
- [35:26]
Dan Le Batard
The man said. Give me. Give me what you got on Tua and the.
- [35:32]
Brandon Marshall
Hold on, hold on. Go back to that camera last. Camera. Camera angle. Who's that guy?
- [35:36]
Greg Cody
Who.
- [35:37]
Dan Le Batard
Who are you pointing at now? Greg Cody? Are you pointing.
- [35:39]
Brandon Marshall
No, no, not Pop. So don't. Don't do that.
- [35:41]
Greg Cody
All right, all right. I got a question. I got a question.
- [35:43]
Brandon Marshall
No, no, go to the other camera angle where we just switch. No, no. Black guy. Oh, dei. That guy right there who's not smiling. Go back. No, no.
- [35:54]
Dan Le Batard
Go back.
- [35:54]
Brandon Marshall
Back. Gotta be Mike Ryan. That guy. Who is that guy? Why doesn't he smile? He needs to have his own show. Why aren't you smiling? Buddy, you okay? It's Christmas.
- [36:04]
Mike Ryan
I no longer believe you're a big fan of our show.
- [36:08]
Dan Le Batard
He's. He's been around for longer than most of the people around here. I do appreciate you coming in here and calling him pops and respecting the generational talent off of last night's game. TUA and the Dolphins, we have been pretty hard on the idea that there's been a regression there. Your thoughts on what the Dolphins need to do at quarterback?
- [36:29]
Brandon Marshall
Oh, yeah, I just. It's just, man, I hate to talk like this, man. I guess it's part of our job, right? You know, my job now that I'm on this side of the. Of the line with you. If you want to win a Super bowl, you know, two is not the guy who's going to help you win a Super Bowl. But two, you got to respect a couple years that he gave you to. Came in, came in here and gave some stability and had some phenomenal years. But something's off there. You know, call it concussions, call it, you know, relationship with Tyreek Hill. You know, two is an interesting one. I think that, you know, that decision is going to be on Mike. If the general manager decided to keep Mike McDaniel. Mike McDaniel have to decide, does he want to keep Tua. But what we got to realize this too, guys, is that relationship between a dog number one receiver and a quarterback is everything. There's been times I've been in the locker room as that dog number one wide receiver. And man, I was in my quarterback's hit did when I was young and how I approached situations, it tore up the whole offensive side. Our offensive coordinators can't Think they're holding the cars like this every day, shaking because they're like, man, if I don't call the right play and Brandon Marshall's not in it, I got to hear from him. Then you go to your quarterback. Your quarterback is frustrated. He can't go through his progressions. So the offense out of whack. You want those guys to be out there calm, cool, collected, and just going with the flow of the game, how they see the game. Not saying I have to force it to someone. Tyreek Hill has been phenomenal over the last couple years, but Tyree Kill is also one of those dog number one receivers that can present some challenges, some management challenges. So, you know, I was looking for more after Tua, after Tyreek went down, thought he was going to actually take his game up a notch. And that didn't happen. So that was surprising for me. But remember how they started off this year? Tyreek Hill, he was saying he wanted out, then he said he's coming back, then he wanted out. And then he comes in, he apologizes to his team. I'm working on my leadership and doing all that. That Tua says that he broke some relationships within, you know, not only the office, but the entire building. That's a big problem. So when we think about why guys, you know, aren't performing at a high level, sometimes it's about the things that's happened off the field, not on the field.
- [38:39]
Dan Le Batard
He's part of the in studio team for Netflix's NFL Christmas Day doubleheader broadcast. Tony has said the Christmas.
- [38:46]
Brandon Marshall
Tony, you look good in that seat, baby.
- [38:48]
Dan Le Batard
He has said that it is now Christmas Day. Is now an NFL day. It is no longer an NBA day.
- [38:53]
Tony
I mean, I mean, NFL is now. The games aren't great. Okay? I, obviously Patrick Mahomes isn't there, the commies and the. And the Cowboys, whatever. But you look at the NBA, they got a bunch of good games. Just feels like anytime the NFL's on, we got to watch it. There's a bunch of great games in the NBA, but I'm going to be locked in on the NFL.
- [39:09]
Dan Le Batard
Brandon, what are you excited about being part of this coverage here? Because Netflix hasn't done this and you haven't done exactly this.
- [39:16]
Brandon Marshall
Two phenomenal brands coming together, right? Like the NFL. So, I mean, this is a, you know, it's a, you know, a national holiday at this point, every single Sunday. So being a part of the NFL playing and now on the other side of it, covering it and still having amazing relationships on that side of things. That's a huge honor, man. Sometimes you take that for granted in your youth, but looking back, it's like, man, I played in the National Football League. I get to cover the National Football League. And then Netflix jumping into the game. Oh, my goodness. You got two beasts of brands and companies coming together and I'm sitting right in the middle. So it's gratitude, right? And that's some of the things that I'm thinking about. Like, you know, when we open up and you gotta say certain. You know, I'm preparing already. Like, some of the things I want to say. And it's gratitude. Like, I had an opportunity to play on Christmas Day as a player. You know how many people were watching me at home on Christmas Day, catch a touchdown or catch a ball that. Like that. Think, man, wow. God is so good. And now doing it on the other side on Netflix. Just gratitude, man. Just, you know, even what you guys are doing, man, like you, you. You trailblaze this space for us, bro. You left traditional, you left linear to come on this side and said, no, I'm doing it this way because I. I think it's better for me and my voice and what the fans need in the entrepreneur spirit that you had, bro. You understand? Like, you trailblaze this place for people like us, man. Just gratitude and just being thankful for what we have. Like, people don't know how hard it is to do this right or to get these opportunities right. I'm messing around with your staff, but you got. You're employing how many people. People giving so many people opportunities. How many people have been launched off your show, right?
- [40:54]
Dan Le Batard
Too many people.
- [40:56]
Brandon Marshall
Preach all day. Too many. American hero. Who's that guy? Who's that guy Throwing up the love sign? Who's that guy?
- [41:02]
Dan Le Batard
We've got to go, unfortunately.
- [41:05]
Brandon Marshall
No, don't go that. He's a star. I love this guy.
- [41:08]
Dan Le Batard
You are right that God is good, but he could have been better. He could have given you a quarterback better than Ryan Fitzpatrick. Go.
- [41:15]
Brandon Marshall
Nice, Brandon.
- [41:16]
Tony
Good.
- [41:17]
Dan Le Batard
Good seeing you, Brandon. Thank you for making the time. I do appreciate it. 1200 yards in 13 season, 900 catches, six Pro Bowls. He was damn good. And he would have been in the hall of Fame if he had a quarterback. A quarterback. One quarterback.
- [41:34]
Brandon Marshall
Tony, how's it feeling there?
- [41:36]
Tony
Feels great. I was going to actually say that he's massive. I saw him in person, Dan and you.
- [41:39]
Dan Le Batard
Oh, yeah, he is.
- [41:42]
Brandon Marshall
He's being in that room.
- [41:43]
Dan Le Batard
He was. He's hard to cover.
- [41:44]
Tony
Brandon Marshall. I saw him at the super bowl in la. And I walked by, and I was like, damn, I'm six, four, two, three. And I was like, damn, that guy's huge.
- [41:50]
Dan Le Batard
He was hard to cover.
- [41:51]
Tony
Holy.
- [41:52]
Dan Le Batard
There weren't a lot of cornerbacks who could cover him. Oh, man.
- [41:56]
Tony
It's hotter on this side, by the way.
- [41:58]
Dan Le Batard
It is, isn't it? There's more pressure here, Zaz. You feel. You feel a little uncomfortable back there. He really bossed us around there. He moved things around.
- [42:05]
Chris
I didn't like that.
- [42:06]
Tony
You standing.
- [42:06]
Brandon Marshall
Are you sitting back there?
- [42:07]
Mike Ryan
I can't see.
- [42:08]
Greg Cody
Yeah, there's a tear coming down, Zaz.
- [42:09]
Dan Le Batard
Is I. Mike is pissed off, too. Mike. Mike feels disrespected.
- [42:14]
Brandon Marshall
Who's that guy?
- [42:18]
Mike Ryan
Fan, my ass.