Hour 3: The Racket Smash (feat. Jessica Smetana)

Summary

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The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Hour 3: The Racket Smash (feat. Jessica Smetana)
April 8, 2026
Recorded live from the Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This hour of the Dan Le Batard Show welcomes Jessica Smetana as the crew meanders through the latest in sports and pop culture with their trademark humor and skepticism. The central segment is built around Greg Cody’s bold claim that he could smash a tennis racket in one or two throws—a feat eventually, and hilariously, put to the test. Along the way, the conversation touches on NBA and NCAA coaching, live stream “hexes,” Miami’s new Inter Miami stadium, Angel Reese’s WNBA trade, the Don Staley-Geno Auriemma drama, and whether friendship wins championships.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. NBA & NCAA Coaching Comparisons

(01:50 – 04:35)

• Dan raises questions about why Michael Malone (taking over the North Carolina basketball program) is being trusted more than Bill Belichick was with North Carolina football, referencing Belichick’s struggles and quick dismissal.
• Panel consensus: It’s easier to maintain an elite basketball program at a blue-blood school like UNC, due to recruiting power and program heritage, compared to turning around a middling football team like UNC's.
  • Greg Cody: “You can probably name them on one hand, the number of teams where basketball is so big that it completely dwarfs football on the same campus. And North Carolina is definitely one of those.” (04:03)

2. Le Batard Show “Live Stream Curse”

(05:21 – 07:50)

• Chris Cody laments that the crew’s watch-alongs and live streams consistently bring bad luck to Miami teams.
  • Jeremy Peacock (jokingly): “It’s 0 and 647.” (05:43)
• Dan details their most recent misfortunes: The Heat’s blowout loss, the Marlins’ collapse, and the hockey team’s playoff elimination, joking about Miami sports culture now rooting for losses to improve draft lottery odds.
  • Dan: “We're such losers that we're rooting for losing to improve our positioning with ping pong balls.” (07:34)
• Crew: Debates the true value of improving draft position by a few picks, largely agreeing it rarely matters unless it’s a top-4 lottery jump, but also that “pick 12 is better than pick 16.” (09:21, Mike)

3. New Inter Miami Stadium Experience

(09:25 – 13:52)

• Greg Cody details his trip to Inter Miami’s new stadium—impressed by its interior but unimpressed with the unfinished exterior and brutal airport-adjacent traffic:
  • “That stadium is not finished. There’s giant cranes, construction cranes taller than the stadium.” (10:47)
  • “Inter Miami will never play a game any day, anytime that isn’t affected by airport traffic.” (11:26)
  • But, once inside: “It’s a palace. … Messi is going to become a part owner when he’s done playing. He’s always going to be a face of the club in a way.” (12:37)
• Panel: Debates if Messi’s legacy will keep fans coming post-retirement; consensus is that the club’s brand power, youth academy, and recent success will carry momentum.

4. The Anticipation: Greg Cody’s Racket Challenge

(17:19 – 19:33)

• Central throughline: Will Greg Cody actually break a modern tennis racket by smashing it as pros, like Medvedev, famously do?
  • Dan: “That looks like something that Greg Cody will not have the power and ability to break in any way.” (17:19)
  • Jessica worries more about damaging studio equipment than Greg injuring himself, suggesting the garage for safety. (18:41)
  • Greg Cody expresses guilt about destroying a “perfectly good racket”—“It would be like having a beautiful 16-ounce perfectly cooked ribeye steak and throwing it in the garbage.” (18:59)

5. Angel Reese WNBA Trade & Atlanta Dream

(19:33 – 24:27)

• Jessica critiques the popular narratives around Angel Reese’s trade to the Atlanta Dream, clarifying most takes misunderstand the Chicago Sky’s dysfunction:
  • “It was interesting, Dan, to see people who aren’t familiar with the Chicago Sky but do have thoughts about Angel Reese try to swoop in with a take…” (19:58)
  • “This has been the Sky’s MO for eternity. All of their best players ask to leave…”
• Trade deemed lopsided in the Dream’s favor, with Atlanta becoming the “SEC’s WNBA team” for branding and fanbase synergy.
  • “You can kind of market the Dream as this is the SEC’s WNBA team.” (22:40)
• Greg Cody queries if the Dream are now favorites; Jessica says it’s too early but lauds the fit: “She averages over 13 rebounds per game in her rookie season… She’s probably going to, you know, get the ball a lot in the paint…” (23:12)

6. Nostalgic Digression: Paper Newspaper “Machines”

(24:27 – 25:49)

• Panel humorously debates what to call those old coin-fed newspaper stands.
  • Jessica (laughing): “It’s a stand, isn’t it? ... I don’t think I would call it a machine.” (24:47)
  • Greg Cody: “I used to call it a newspaper box … You can cheat and steal and take three news.” (25:19)

7. Mike Tomlin’s Future & TV Potential

(25:49 – 29:42)

• Dan/Panel discuss Mike Tomlin’s quiet departure from the Steelers and speculate on his broadcast potential.
  • Jessica: “He just always has a weird way to say something that you’ve never heard, which I think makes for a good television analyst.” (27:51)
  • Greg Cody is skeptical about Tomlin’s TV “effervescence.”
  • Dan pushes back: “If you give me all of the coaching personalities … This is the very top of the list in terms of fun talkers and personality.” (28:59)
  • Comic aside: “Jason Garrett’s on television!” (29:25)

8. The Racket Smash: Live Payoff

(39:52 – 42:57)

• Anticipation builds as Greg brings the racket outside for his fiery display of strength.
  • Jessica (deadpan): “Let’s go back to Greg and see him hurt his little baby pinky fingers.” (40:12)
• The panel places bets: scratch, dent, catastrophic shrapnel?
• Greg confidently declares: “I feel really confident. I think the racket will break the first time I strike it. If not the first, then certainly the second.” (41:03)
• The big moment: Greg strikes! The result?
  • Dan: “That wasn’t good enough… I don’t think I wanted… Still usable. I don’t think…”
  • Jessica: “That angle of his… Trying to kill Karacha, Bill Murray in Kingpin.” (42:48)

9. Dawn Staley vs. Geno Auriemma & Women’s College Hoops Drama

(32:32 – 36:55)

• Jessica delivers a measured but critical take on Auriemma’s recent media beef and half-hearted apologies.
  • “I’m sort of judging the body of work here. And the body of work, to me, tells me that he’s a sore loser…” (33:08)
  • On Geno’s apology: “There’s a humblebrag in the first sentence… At least we know he actually wrote this one.” (34:51)
• Dan asks how this affects legacy; Jessica contends the perception as a sore loser predates this episode for some fan bases.

10. The Power of Friendship in Sports

(37:27 – 39:01)

• “Power of friendship”—a running joke about team chemistry deciding championships.
  • Jessica: “This is an example of how the power of friendship won a championship for UCLA women’s basketball this season … They all wanted to stick together and come back and win this thing next year.” (38:04)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• “Nothing seems to go right whenever we do a live stream for real.”
  — Chris Cody (05:21)

• “We're such losers that we're rooting for losing to improve our positioning with ping pong balls.”
  — Dan LeBatard (07:34)

• “I would hate to ruin a perfectly good racket… It would be like having a beautiful 16-ounce perfectly cooked ribeye steak and throwing it in the garbage.”
  — Greg Cody (19:14)

• “This has been the Sky’s MO for eternity. All of their best players ask to leave.”
  — Jessica Smetana (19:58)

• “He just always has a weird way to say something that you’ve never heard, which I think makes for a good television analyst.”
  — Jessica Smetana on Mike Tomlin (27:51)

• “I will forgive, but I'm not gonna forget.”
  — Jessica Smetana on the Geno Auriemma/Don Staley beef (35:26)

• “Let’s go back to Greg and see him hurt his little baby pinky fingers.”
  — Jessica Smetana, setting up the smash (40:12)

• “That angle of his… Trying to kill Karacha, Bill Murray in Kingpin.”
  — Jessica Smetana, after Greg’s failed smash (42:48)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 01:50 – Malone vs. Belichick: Why is basketball “easier” at blue-blood schools?
• 05:21 – The Le Batard Show watch-along curse; Miami sports misery.
• 09:25 – Greg Cody’s Inter Miami stadium adventure (unfinished and underwhelming exterior, but a palace inside).
• 17:19 – Introducing “the racket smash” and Greg’s bravado.
• 19:33 – Angel Reese WNBA trade: Insight and league impact.
• 23:00 – Will Atlanta Dream become instant favorites?
• 24:27 – Newspaper “machine” or “stand”? Panel debates.
• 25:49 – Mike Tomlin’s future: TV personality or not?
• 32:32 – Dawn Staley vs. Geno Auriemma: Apologies and legacy.
• 37:27 – Friendship as a superpower: UCLA women's basketball.
• 39:52 – Bets on Greg Cody’s upcoming “Smash Heard ‘Round the Studio.”
• 41:03–42:57 – The actual racket attempt: anticlimax and jokes.

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Conclusion

This episode is a quintessential Le Batard blend: irreverent, insightful, and full of inside jokes and cultural detours. The “racket smash” becomes a metaphor for the crew’s endearing overconfidence, with Jessica Smetana lending expert sports insight and deadpan wit throughout. The show also offers candid commentary on women’s sports business moves, local Miami developments, and legacies in coaching—proving the Le Batard Show can be both goofy and genuinely thoughtful, often in the same breath.

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Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

Jessica's gonna join us here in about 10 to 15min cleanup on some of the things that we've been talking about. The Celtics are second in offensive rating and fourth in defensive rating this year. That is something that usually people do not screw with. So to hear them as a suitor for Giannis catches me off guard because of what I'm telling you. That's usually good enough to win a championship. Everyone knows that's good enough to win a championship. You're already good enough to win a championship. Usually people don't break some of that up. Also, getting back to the Mike Malone conversation just to put a pin on this because I sound like I'm questioning this more than most people are questioning this and it's because that program has already burned me in that regard. And I want to know the differences you guys are making between. Is it just that Michael Malone is inheriting a program that you think is so self sufficient that he can't screw it up? And Bill Belichick was inheriting something at North Carolina that wasn't that good because Bill Belichick, also highly paid, also didn't have experiences in this and also got undressed last year in a way that we were all laughing at. Why do you have more confidence in Michael Malone than you do in Bill Belichick?

[Mike]

Totally different. He's got to worry about a handful of guys. We just saw Hubert Davis do it. What did Hubert Davis know about this world really? I mean, Michael Malone is a much

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better head coach just like Hubert Davis do it. Like Hubert Davis didn't really do a good job.

[Mike]

He made it to a Final Four.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

But made it within a shot of the championship, did he not? Was it not one shot of winning the championship?

[Mike]

Malone is a really good coach and North Carolina knows what it's doing when it comes to basketball resources. They're always going to be a player for the top recruits in that sport. They're always going to be a top destination in the transfer portal in that sport. It's completely different.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Yeah, I don't think you could compare the task that Michael Malone has with the task that Belichick has. I mean, I think obviously North Carolina basketball school, not a football school. And I would imagine it's much easier to turn around a basketball team only, you know, 15 guys on the roster than a football team.

[Mike]

And Michael Malone's 20 years younger.

[Greg Cody]

And think of all the team. You can probably name them on one hand, the number of teams where basketball is so big that it completely dwarfs football on the same campus. And North Carolina is definitely one of those. And Duke at least won the acc, albeit with five losses or whatever. But North Carolina football, Belichick was taking over a program nobody really cared about that much. But, but Michael Malone is taking over a A plus brand in, in his sport, I think. And that recruits itself. Right?

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, but that's what you guys are saying. You guys are saying the reason that Michael Malone is somebody who can be trusted more than Bill Belichick, who I was arguing on behalf of of and was, was very wrong about the reason is 20 years younger and it's easier to do with fewer players at a school that recruits itself. And I, I guess we'll all find out together who ends up being right there. I do Expect North Carolina always to be relevant no matter who their coach is. Chris Cody brought up something here that I had not considered which is nothing seems to go right whenever we do a live stream for real watch alongs

[Chris]

like where people meet, where people can watch with us or live streams it. I know there are a couple. I know the hockey show had a win.

[Mike]

MMA is always winning.

[Chris]

During the Panthers playoffs, you're not really rooting for anyone gold medal games. I'm just saying we have a bat. Overall our record is not good at these things. When we're watching something that we care about, we lose.

[Jeremy Peacock]

Yeah, I've got it here.

[Chris]

It's.

[Jeremy Peacock]

It's 0 and 647.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's not true because Roy seems to think correctly that he's a good luck charm. When he was doing a livestream on the Olympics we won a gold medal and then we're immediately really disappointed in the behavior of all of our players.

That's right.

But they did win. They did win the gold medal. Roy is a two time champion with the Panthers.

[Mike]

Where was the good look? Charming. You should have said Carson Beck was going to throw a touchdown, not a pick.

[Chris]

Where was that? Dan always screws this up. How will Dan on my deathbed, I

[Jessica]

will never forgive you.

[Chris]

Our next one is the draft. How will Dan screw that up? The Dolphins have two first round picks.

[Jeremy Peacock]

They'll pass on Ruben Bane.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that's right.

[Dan LeBatard]

By the way.

[Greg Cody]

That's right.

[Chris]

Dan will be. Yep, they're. They're going to be picking and it's going to be like there's no shot they'll pass on Ruben Bane or they'll have to take.

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They'll miss their pick and like someone will jump and skip them like the Vikings.

[Dan LeBatard]

That one year yesterday we did a live stream and the good News is the 8pm deadline for catastrophe and debt and apocalypse and nuclear obliteration passed and was given two weeks of reprieve because a president is perpetually full of shit. That was the good news. The bad news is all of our teams lost everything we were watching and they not only lost, they didn't just lose. The Heat were never in the basketball game so we didn't have any particular reason to pay attention to anything that was happening there. The Marlins game ends. I in. In the hypothetical I can't think of a lot of ways for that to be more disappointing than than Sandy's pitching best in the sport type of complete game stuff. And then the whole thing falls apart in the ninth inning and extra innings and then the hockey team with 20 seconds left already eliminated from the playoff.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Yeah, but isn't a loss a win with the Panthers? Are we counting that?

[McDonald's Ad Announcer]

Maybe.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, isn't a loss a win with the Heat if they don't make the playoffs and their chance of the lottery gets between 4% and in terms of like, that's what we're doing now. We're such losers that we're rooting for losing to improve our positioning with ping pong balls.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, correct.

[Mike]

Been doing with the Heat for three years, the Wemby year, the Cooper Flag year.

[Jessica]

Like now we're actually doing the thing

[Jeremy Peacock]

that we need to be doing, which

[Mike]

is losing to try and get the

[Jessica]

1 or 9% chance of getting a great pick.

[Ad Read Announcer]

By the way, both of you guys are severely overestimating what the Heat's odds would be.9%. Cut that in half. It's a little less than 5% of getting a top four pick.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, but in the lottery though, it's a 4 to 9% chance that they have if they don't get into the playoffs or when the playoffs, then the 0% chance that they have if they do get in the playoffs.

[Ad Read Announcer]

No, it's what I said. It's 0% if they don't get in. It's a little less than 5% of getting a top four pick. What they don't.

[Jessica]

Less than 5% is still better than 0%.

[Mike]

Correct. Let's also not make it about winning the lottery.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay.

[Mike]

That's awfully convenient. Yes, I understand the counterargument to the Cooper Flag thing. It's about making your assets better so you can improve. That's. That's what the complaint is for me. Yeah, I would. Would have loved Wemby and I would have loved to believe the 1% chance on Cooper Flag, but really all I want is for a franchise that prides itself on acquiring superstars and making an impact and getting better every offseason to better their hand.

[Jeremy Peacock]

I will say though, the difference between whether they have like the 12th pick or the 16th pick is not going to matter in whether they can acquire a star if they want that pick. I don't believe that that is going to be the difference. I can understand it from the perspective of either wanting to jump into the top four or even just saying, hey, if we're going to draft someone in the first round, I'd rather have a choice that's higher in the draft. I just don't think that makes sense.

[Mike]

I'm simply saying pick number 12 is better than pick number 16.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Dan LeBatard]

If you're actually drafting that is irrefutable. Greg Cody, you were out at new new stadium. Brand new, brand new stadium. Inter Miami, another defending champion that we have in town that wouldn't have been a defending champion if we'd done a live stream of any of their games headed to the championship. You went out to the new arena, an arena that I am stunned got built in time and on budget because Miami does not tend to do those things. Well. How was your experience? I don't want to ok, soil what is a magical thing for now by worrying too much about the future. But having that stadium there post Messi does scare me for a lot of reasons that our city doesn't have money and that stadium. I worry about that stadium as I worry about all our sports economies down here. When it comes to you need sustained winning and one day Messi is going to leave and it's going to be hard to fill that stadium. But you got to wander around a brand new stadium. And how did all of of that feel? It was ready. There were no issues getting there. It seems like it's in a dangerous place near the airport, dangerous for the airport. It doesn't seem like we should have all those lights around the airport. But I'm no aviation expert in that regard and I'm going to have to trust that the Miami people know what they're doing there. What was your experience like?

[Greg Cody]

Well, when you, when you say the stadium was ready on time, it really wasn't. I mean that's why they started the season with five road games in a row because they were scrambling until the last minute to get that stadium ready. And in fact they didn't get a temporary occupancy certificate until the very last day. So they barely got that stadium ready. And if you're walking from your parking lot to the stadium, you're walking through an active construction zone. That stadium is not finished. There's giant cranes, construction cranes taller than the stadium outside of it there. There are big earth movers and everything.

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What's the parking like?

[Greg Cody]

The park? They have one parking garage and they have several lots. But it's very. The traffic there is hellacious and it's exacerbated by being that close to the airport. I knew it was fairly close to the airport. I didn't know they were neighboring. The exit I took off 836 to to get into the stadium lot was the same exit you would take to get to rental airport. Rental cars. They are right on the doorstep. Airport and Inter Miami will Never play a game any day, anytime that isn't affected by airport traffic. So the location of the stadium, I think is pretty awful. And the fact that construction is not complete yet is a little bit of a hindrance. However, once you're inside the stadium, it's a palace. It's great. And as for post Messi, it only seats 25 or 26,000. It's not as if they're filling Hard Rock Stadium without Lionel Messi. It's a. I think it's a good sized stadium for. For post Messi. And also Messi is going to become a part owner when he's done playing. He's always going to be a face of the club in a way.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not one person will go there because Messi's an owner. Like that's going to happen.

[Greg Cody]

I can name players who will go there because Messi's an owner and their other players.

[Dan LeBatard]

I meant fans. I meant fans.

[Mike]

And what Greg is arguing that the, the players that will get the fans to come out.

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Mike]

Will be because of Messi's association with the club. The same way that Beckham. That's pro.

[Greg Cody]

That's probably right.

[Mike]

And I will say, like I understand, it's sports in South Florida and attendance is always a point of mockery. Granted, they had juice as an expansion franchise and then shortly thereafter Messi was here. There is zero example of that club struggling to fill its stadium for MLS season games. You can maybe cherry pick a couple of cup competitions that are separate ticket prices and packages, but so far Inter Miami has tapped into a soccer market that is willing to pay to go to games.

[Greg Cody]

And also they have a youth academy that's been flourishing. They've raised five players up to the big club from that academy already. It's been very successful. And when your faces of the franchise include David Beckham and Lionel Messi, you're always going to have a international brand to you. And I think that's going to serve them well. And they've made some great international signings. I think they're planning for life after Messi in a way that's going to work.

[Mike]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Yo.

[Mike]

You know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together in unison knows to stand up on their feet?

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Mike]

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Greg Cody]

Yes. You know, I'm a married man. I don't cheat on my wife. Despite that gratuitous line in back in my stugats. I wish you were here. My wife, I really miss her. No, I don't. That's the thing about being married, you know, you're not allowed to say, I don't miss my wife. I've been gone two days. I haven't been gone long enough to miss my wife. I'm sorry, I call her. I'm just calling with her. 30 seconds. You know, what am I? Hello? All right, all right, we'll see you. All right. And then, you know, I'm going to see her in two days. I was jumping Charlie. Good.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

Foreign. Get to Jessica here in a second. I have a concern, though. The tennis racket has been brought in and I don't know, just looking at it, that looks like something that Greg Cody will not have the power and ability to break in any way. It looks like a sturdy material and I worry about Greg, Greg Cody harming himself if he tries to actually break that racket. So let me ask Jessica the question. After showing the Medvedev clip of him breaking his racket six times, do you believe and hold the racket up for Jessica so that you. That. Do you believe that it's a good idea for us to try and get Greg Cody to see if he can make good on his claim of being able to shatter that racket in one or two throws?

[Jessica]

Where is he doing this? What floor material are we talking about?

[Dan LeBatard]

I think it would be on the carpet right behind the car.

[Greg Cody]

Do it on carpet. Eight concrete.

[Chris]

I mean, he's doing it on clay.

[Mike]

Let's go grass court, a clay court.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's send him out to a clay court and see if we can do it on Roland Garros.

[Greg Cody]

I'm a hardcore player now.

[Chris]

The video team is a little fearful that we'll break our screen behind you, which is a very expensive screen. If he were to like do it behind you and it could fly into the screen.

[Dan LeBatard]

What about harming himself, though? I believe he can harm himself.

[Mike]

He'll be fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Video team.

[Jessica]

I think he'll be okay. I am worried about the video screen also, Chris. And also, I think, you know, there's concrete, I'm assuming, underneath that carpet in there. And the carpet probably is going to soften the blow a little bit. I Think if he went out into the garage, he could definitely smash the racket out there.

[Greg Cody]

That's what we'll do. But I want.

[Jessica]

No question.

[Greg Cody]

Yes, but I want to go on the record as saying I would hate to ruin a perfectly good racket. I would feel guilty. It would be like having a beautiful 16 ounce perfectly cooked rib eye steak and throwing it in the garbage. You know, it really would make me feel guilty to ruin.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Yeah. But I think the racket was bought specifically for this event.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Mike]

Just like the cow was born for

[Jessica]

you to eat it, you could still donate it to like charity or something.

[Greg Cody]

I don't know. Yeah, I typically got that one.

[Mike]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's slightly less entertaining though, than an old man trying to break a racket

[Greg Cody]

in a rage, donating it to charity

[Dan LeBatard]

to show how to show your strength. There are a number of things that I want to talk to Jessica about, but something I know you guys talked about it in the post game the other day with juju, but our friend Renee Montgomery made a trade for Angel Reese and normally a player of that kind of status throughout sports doesn't get traded very often. What were your thoughts there on that trade, Jessica?

[Jessica]

It was interesting, Dan, to see people who aren't familiar with the Chicago sky but do have thoughts about Angel Reese try to swoop in with a take about how, you know, she's a selfish player and a ring chaser and like the sky are lucky that they were able to get rid of her, et cetera, et cetera. When, like, this has been the sky's MO for eternity. All of their best players ask to leave. And reportedly she didn't even ask ask for a trade. But it did seem like the writing was on the wall after she was suspended for her comments last season that maybe she shouldn't have said on the record, but also were mostly true. So I just think, you know, it'd be like if someone who wasn't familiar with the NFL just all of a sudden started watching, you know, free agency stuff happen and was like, wow, the Cleveland Browns front office, like, this team really knows what they're doing. They're setting themselves up for success here. It's like, actually this team's front office does not have a good track record.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, she was suspended for conduct, detrimental for comments, but she's also an exceptional player and has the kind of star power that to me, what Atlanta has done with Renee Montgomery, that has been a bad franchise. And so when you add Angel Reese and you had Brittney Griner, you're like Doing things with star power that are good for attendance. But how about the play? How about the idea of trading two first round picks for a talent of this size?

[Jessica]

Well, people are calling it the worst trade of all time, Dan, so that should tell you something because the sky did not get as much out of it as they probably could have. And also I think the sky are currently, and I say this as someone from Chicago who watched probably all of their games over the last two seasons at least, and just I don't really understand what the direction of the team is right now from a, you know, standpoint of the players are putting on the floor. And also the trade that they made last season to get Ariel Atkins, which was considered one of the worst trades of all time because Sonia Citron, who went to Notre Dame and, you know, played only 90 miles away from Chicago and ends up being a really, really great player. And you'd think maybe the sky would have been aware of that before they made that trade. But I digress, Dan. I think from a matter of what the Dream got and what they gave up, I think they're going to be really good this year. And my initial reaction to all of this was like, they're probably going to to play more games in State Farm arena now because I think they're going to be a much bigger draw. And also one other thing about the Dream is that, you know, they have Alicia Gray, they have Ryan Howard, they have all these SEC players on their team and now Angel Reese who played at lsu. And the WNBA doesn't have a team in Louisiana. They don't have a lot of teams in the Southeast. So I think that makes the Dream really attractive from a standpoint of like you can bring together a lot of the women's basketball college fans. Like we know South Carolina's got like a crazy fan base. Like their fans are really, really locked it. Tahina Powpow also went to South Carolina. But now like you can kind of make it. You can kind of market the Dream as like, this is the SEC's WNBA team, which I think is probably pretty good for marketing, branding standpoint.

[Greg Cody]

Well, Jess, is Angel Reese good enough to make Atlanta the immediate WNBA favorite, do you think? Because they're pretty good right now. Are they now better than Minnesota, for example?

[Jessica]

Greg? I think right now, now it's impossible to say because free agency just started, the draft is next week and there's like a million. There's going to be either a ton of roster moves in the next few days or I mean, no one really exactly knows what the rosters are going to look like, so I can't tell you exactly if that's the case, but let's say the core players are back for a team like the Dream. I think last year they were really, really good under the first year of their new head coach, and he's known for being a coach that cares a lot about offensive rebounding, which she's obviously a BE stat. You know, she averages over 13 rebounds per game in her rookie season, 13 points per game, and also her field goal percentage went up considerably in her second season. So she's probably going to, you know, get the ball a lot in the paint, but also, you know, they shoot the three ball a lot, so there's going to be a lot of opportunities for her under the basket, I think. And if she's playing alongside someone like Bree Jones, I think that's a good matchup, and there's really good guard play on the team. So she's not going to have as many responsibilities having to bring the ball up, which is something she kind of did a lot last year, because, like I said, this guy, they had a lot of injuries. They had a little bit of an identity crisis, I think, and so they relied on her for a lot of stuff. So now I feel like she'll be able just to do what she's best at.

[Dan LeBatard]

Earlier this week, Zaslow referred to the place where he gets or got his newspapers as the newspaper machine. What do you refer to the place that used to house newspapers that you would drop a quarter into and then open it up? What is your reference?

[Jessica]

Famously, It's a stand, isn't it? I mean, never heard of it. Called a machine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, there is a stand, but there. Have you ever seen the little boxes? Maybe you might be too young.

[Mike]

She's famously young.

[Chris]

Have you ever put a coin into a machine for a newspaper?

[Jessica]

I have not, but I don't. Sorry, I just saw Chris's hat. Wouldn't that also. Wouldn't I?

[Greg Cody]

That's where it's.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know what?

[Jessica]

You're right. I don't know. I don't know what it's called, but I don't think I would call it a machine.

[Greg Cody]

I used to actually call it.

[Jessica]

No mechanical element to it.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Right, yeah, there is.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not really, no.

[Chris]

You pay and it unlocks.

[Greg Cody]

I used to call it a newspaper box. Believe it or not, it's a box. You put a coin in it, it opens up, you take a newspaper. Or you can cheat and steal to take 3News.

[Ad Read Announcer]

You ever do that?

[Jeremy Peacock]

What?

[Greg Cody]

Not in my lifetime.

[Jessica]

Why would you need more than one? I mean, maybe if it's like the day after the World Series or something.

[Mike]

Maybe you have pets in a frame.

[Jessica]

It. Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Bird cages.

[Jessica]

I don't know. I haven't seen them around lately. I've seen a lot of, like, beat up ones on the. On the sidewalks of New York that clearly have not had newspapers in them for a long time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Skeletons. Yeah. Archeologists are going to dig those up. Like, what the hell were these people doing? We were talking about the Steelers before you came on. And I am just curious as a Steeler fan, if. If you are curious as to why it is that Mike Tomlin, unceremoniously, after 20 years, would leave without an explanation and not give a single interview and just disappear from sight without saying goodbye to anybody or discuss his relationship with Pittsburgh or anything.

[Jessica]

Are you. What, Are you trying to imply something from that? Like something nefarious going on? You just think it's weird. I'm curious. I mean, the draft is in Pittsburgh in under a month, Dan. Do you think he'll be part of it in any way?

[Dan LeBatard]

I think that Mike Tomlin has a chance to be one of the most coveted television free agents talking about football that there have ever been, if he wants to have a television job. Just think it's weird that somebody who's had 20 straight winning seasons or whatever it is, would leave without a goodbye or even accepting anything in the way of a thank you.

[Jessica]

Yeah, I. I mean, I'm curious if he's part of any of the draft coverage, even in sort of like a honorary. Honorary, you know, position saying the draft pick or just being on. On TV with the draft people. I don't know, Dan. I mean, the season ended pretty horrifically and there hasn't been that many opportunities for him to do stuff with the Steelers, like next season when they're actually playing games. Maybe he'll be around. But if the. If the reporting that he was just kind of like burnt out and ready to move on is true, then, like, I think he's probably just been on vacation and just like, chilling and laying low the last few months. So I don't have any reason to think that that's not the case. But I guess we will find out if he's. If he's noticeably absent from draft weekend, maybe I'll buy into some. Some whatever conspiracy you're peddling.

[Greg Cody]

I don't know, Jess. I'm curious what you think, because I think Mike Tomon is a great Coach was a great coach. Could be a great coach again if he wants to be. I'm not sure that he has the personality and the effervescence to be a great TV analyst. Do you think so?

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, my God. Are you kidding?

[Jessica]

Yeah, I think so. He's like, I watched so many Mike Tomlin press conferences over the last decade, plus Greg. I think he's really good on a mic. He just always has a weird way to say something that you've never heard, which I think makes. Makes for a good television analyst.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's great with words. Like, he is great at, you know, doing the hyperbolic talk of we will not leave that stadium alive. We will. We will go unblinking into the night.

[Chris]

He's ended up in the useless sound montage a lot. I don't know if we're really making a point for him here.

[Greg Cody]

I hear him. I hear him as a. As a gruff guy whose personality is not perfectly suited to the airwaves. I could be wrong.

[Dan LeBatard]

According to the.

[Greg Cody]

He was for the Dolphins.

[Dan LeBatard]

According.

[Greg Cody]

They had hired him years ago. We wouldn't be talking about.

[Chris]

That's what you're kind of like saying now without saying it.

[Jeremy Peacock]

Oh, I didn't know that.

[Greg Cody]

I'm saying he's a great coach. They had a chance to hire him, but he was too black for them.

[Mike]

You see that Willow's responding to the dog whistle.

[Jessica]

I muted myself.

[Greg Cody]

We're saying that you well known.

[Chris]

What you're saying about his personality is kind of saying similar things.

[Greg Cody]

No, I don't think so.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, very good.

[Jessica]

I think he'd be good on tv.

[Dan LeBatard]

That matters. In terms of grading on the curve of. The reason that this is a little bit surprising. What you're saying is if you give me all of the coaching personalities there are as bland as they are. This is the very top of the list in terms of fun talkers and personality. Like, he's closer to the top of the list than he is to the bottom of the list, given that coaches tend to be cardboard cutouts.

[Greg Cody]

Right. Okay.

[Dan LeBatard]

Jason. Jason Garrett's on television.

[Mike]

Well, he's electric.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stop that.

[Jeremy Peacock]

You know.

[Jessica]

Know it.

[Greg Cody]

I hope he's on television if that's what he wants. He hasn't been off.

[Mike]

Tony.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tony Dungy had a job for 20 years.

[Greg Cody]

I know.

[Dan LeBatard]

Saying nothing.

[Greg Cody]

I. I totally agree. Well, gruff, go out.

[Dan LeBatard]

Go out. Go out into the parking garage with this tennis racket and give us.

[Greg Cody]

No, I. I feel very bad about doing that.

[Chris]

I feel bad for the racket.

[Ad Read Announcer]

You would be wasting money if you didn't.

[Mike]

Not for the racket. Our concern is for Greg.

[Chris]

He'll be fine.

[Mike]

The shrapnel. There's joints.

[Jessica]

I think he'll be fine.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's find out together. We should try and get the payoff before.

[Chris]

Oh, we're doing this. We're doing this.

[Dan LeBatard]

Go, Greg.

[Mike]

Do it near Dan's car.

[Chris]

That is where we're gonna go out there. So, dad, get up now.

[Greg Cody]

Okay. You want me to waste a racket? I'll waste a racket.

[Mike]

We want you to go.

[Chris]

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[Jessica]

K Pop Demon Hunters, Haja Boy's Breakfast Meal and Hunt Tricks Meal have just dropped at McDonald's. They're calling this a battle for the fans. What do you say to that, Rumi? It's not a battle. So glad the Saja boys could take breakfast and give our meal the rest of the day.

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[Jeremy Peacock]

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[Jessica]

No, really, stop. You can really feel the respect in this battle. Pick a meal to pick a side

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[Dan LeBatard]

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[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard.

[Greg Cody]

I want to Address Tony and all men who would wear that shirt in public.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stugats.

[Greg Cody]

Don't do it.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Don lebatar show with the stugats.

What were your thoughts, Jessica, on not just the Dawn Staley, Gino Ariema back and forth, but the media's reaction to the back and forth and Gino's reaction backpedaling pretty obviously because he regrets all of his behavior there.

[Jessica]

Dan, I have a lot of thoughts on this, but unfortunately, Geno and Don have asked us all to move forward, So I don't know if I'm allowed to still. But, I mean, have you guys. Have you talked in depth about Geno and Don yet because of that?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes, we did. And I just. I was surprised that he's such a baby.

[Jessica]

I was not surprised at all. And there's this thing people say when, like, someone does something really terrible, which is, like, don't judge someone by their worst moment. Is this the AI video of Don Staley roundhouse Kicko in the head? Yeah, that's A.I. i saw that, and I was like, yeah, a lot of people are probably gonna see this and think it's real, so that's cool. But anyways, Gino's been petulant a lot with people that are rivals to him, especially other women's basketball coaches. So I'm not judging him based on this moment alone. I'm sort of judging the body of work here. And the body of work, to me, tells me that he's a sore loser, and he's been a sore loser, and he doubled down on it after. On Friday, I was actually really happy to see Andrea Carter and Shanaya Gumike kind of, like, just say, call us Beta Spade in the halftime show of second game. Because I, you know, I wasn't exactly sure how they were going to handle that, given, you know, the relationship with UConn and. And who he is. Like, he's obviously got a lot of influence over the sport of women's basketball, as he should. He's been a coach for 40 years and won 12 national championships, but probably wasn't easy for them to do, but it was ob. That that was the right thing to do and to say. And then he put out the apology over this weekend, which I think got pretty roundly criticized for not even specifically mentioning Don Staley in it, which it was kind of absurd, because if you're going to apologize to their staff, you should at least say who you're apologizing to and who you made. Have to, like, in her moment of success, have to react to you and all of your bs. And so then he put out another apology. And in the apology, Dan, there's a humble brag in like the first. First sentence of it. Did you read his most?

[Dan LeBatard]

I didn't. I didn't see the humble brag. What's the humble brag?

[Jessica]

Okay, it said this morning Don Staley and I spoke about our interaction after the game last Friday. I apologize to Don, her staff and her team. I've lost more games in the Final Four than any coach in history, but Friday I lost something more important. I lost myself. So I. At least we know he actually wrote this one because that is like, I've lost more Final Four. Like, I. Like I've been there before, but it's also like, yeah, you've made a shit ton of Final Fours. We get it, guy. But anyways, they both kind of were like, let's move on and let's not talk about this anymore because it's a bad look for all of us and for the sport. And I agree. But I do think I'm not gonna forget, Dan. I will forgive, but I'm not gonna forget.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, we were talking about legacy stains, right? And Tony was right to ask me. Come on, Dan. That's not gonna have any kind of impact on the enduring way that Gino Auriemma is remembered. But I won't forget that he behaved like a baby the one time this season in a way that was ill fitting for a champion.

[Jessica]

I mean, I think again, like, if this were the only time that he had beef with another head coach where he kind of made him look like he, you know, doesn't like losing and can't handle. Not he can handle success really well, but can't handle losing at all. I think then like, yeah, maybe it's like, okay, he did have one moment where he looked like a jerk. But like going back decades, I mean, Tennessee fans are going to, to, you know, they're not going to be like, oh, what a great guy. Notre Dame fans are gonna be like, oh, what a great guy. He always did the right thing. He always said the right thing. People are going to remember these moments. Like the time that he subtweeted a Rike Gumbawale when she posted her list of top five schools she was going to attend or she was like on her top five list of where she was going to go to school and he subtweeted her and it's like, dude, you're subtweeting like an 18 year old girl. What are you or 17 year old girl, what are you doing? And I mean, there's just like little things like that throughout history. So, you know, I don't think people are gonna look back and be like, this is a. He was a dark stain on the sport of women's basketball. Certainly not. I think that that's far from just

[Dan LeBatard]

not a dark stain. Just this is a stain on the resume. Why did you change the age of the girl to behaving from an 18 year old girl like a 17 year old girl?

[Jessica]

Because if you're 18 year old, you're an adult. And she was still in high school, so I believe she was still 17.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, before we get to Greg Cody and before I find out what the

[Jessica]

bets, I was just trying to be more accurate.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, what the bets are here. Why was Jeremy Peacock preening around? Jessica thinks I'm right. Jessica thinks I'm right about something. What did you think Jeremy was right about? Jeremy, like all of us here likes to be right.

[Jessica]

Jeremy, remind us about your power of friendship Miami Heat take from last year.

[Jeremy Peacock]

Yeah, that was before the season when things were going well over at the arena during the preseason photo shoots. I said, hey, you know what? I think the Heat might do well because it seems as though all of the personalities are clicking again, again. And the power of friendship will lead them to success.

[Chris]

I was wrong about that.

[Jessica]

You were wrong? Yeah. You were wrong. But I believe Jaime Hakas was part of that.

[Chris]

That's right.

[Jessica]

Was he not?

[Jeremy Peacock]

That's right.

[Jessica]

You were correct in that one of the members of his family, his sister, would win because of the power of friendship. And that would be his sister Gabriella, who.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wait a minute, this doesn't national championship right at all.

[Jeremy Peacock]

No, I was totally right.

[Jessica]

You. He's right that the power of friendship matters. It just didn't matter for the Miami Heat. And you know, none of his Heat takes have ever really been that good, so we don't get into that. But UCLA women's basketball this year, I mean, they obviously, I'm not trying to say like the players weren't good. The players were amazing. They had a great team. But last year, Dan, they lost. They got their butts kicked in the final Four. And they all were like, hey, we want to stick together and come back and win this thing next year. And I think, you know, as we saw throughout the season, they were like really close. They all came back for their senior. Some of them could have gone pro, they could have transferred, whatever. And I think this is an example of how the power friendship won a championship for UCLA women's basketball this season. And yes, they needed, you know, all these players needed to actually be good at basketball too. Lauren, Betts, Hawkes, like they're all really good players. But, you know, the power friendship kept them together for another chance to run for a title and then they ended up winning it. So, so Jeremy was right.

[Dan LeBatard]

What the hell is happening on first take right now? You're. What is, what is happening on our televisions in here that the Marlins are the subject of conversation on first take? What are they talking about? How is this happening?

[Ad Read Announcer]

Apparently Dog is upset and you don't want to make Dog mad. Apparently Dog is upset that the Marlins don't allow their catchers to call the pitches, that the pitches come from the dugout. It's.

[Jessica]

That's what we were talking about.

[Jeremy Peacock]

Do you think he knows that? The Mets do that too?

[Ad Read Announcer]

I'm going to go back and watch that for sure.

[Dan LeBatard]

Greg Cody is ready now. We will get to him in a second. What is the wager? What are we guessing is going to happen here? Jessica, do you want to stick around and take some guesses here on how dangerous it is to have an outraged 70 year old man try and wreck a racket on the first try?

[Jessica]

I do want to stick around and watch him do this, but first I want to plug Lehman. Shodan made for March on Paramount. He was documenting the Michigan basketball team throughout their entire basketball season. And guess what, Dan? They went ahead and they won the whole thing and people should check it out and support Lehman. But let's go back to Greg and see him hurt his little baby pinky fingers.

[Chris]

I think he ruins the racket. First hit on the ground. I think it's unusable in a tennis tournament.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, but ruins it. Ruins it how? Right, because he was dense, but he was criticizing Medvedev. Do you think he's going to break the racket more than Medvedev, Dev?

[Chris]

Well, Medvedev took like six hacks at it on the. I think my dad will live. Mike is a little worried about that. I think my dad survives this.

[Mike]

I'm, I'm worried about his health here.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Outside of a scratch, there will be no damage to the racket.

[Dan LeBatard]

It'll be dented. It'll for sure be dented.

I think it might hit you a car.

All right. Ricochet. Greg, can you hear us out there? Does Greg have a microphone? Does he have the capacity to hear us and. Okay, he is ready. Greg, get near the microphone. Don't breathe into it heavily and don't distract anybody with your breath. Breathing. Give us an update on how you're feeling about things and what you think is going to happen here.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, I feel. I feel really confident. I think the racket will break the first time I strike it. If not the first, then certainly the second. I won't. I won't need five times, like Medvedev.

[Dan LeBatard]

There's no chance of it breaking, I don't think. No, I think you can throw it five times, and then there will. There will be no breaking. You will dent it. You will dent the sides, the frame of it.

[Mike]

He said that kind of.

[Chris]

It's a losing argument, but you're not gonna.

[Dan LeBatard]

You're not gonna break. You think the racket. You think the strings are gonna be disattached from the framing?

[Greg Cody]

No, no, I didn't say that. The. The definition of success here is can. Would I use that racket in. In a. In a competition, in a real set against somebody else?

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's see. Let's. Let's see where this goes.

[Greg Cody]

It doesn't have to be completely mangled. If it's ruined to the point where it's unusable, that's success.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, let's see what you have.

[Mike]

Pretty remarkable. He's gone from looking like Jeffrey Lauria to Mickey Arison.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's see what we have here. And this should have a sound accompanying it. Go ahead, Greg.

[Chris]

Should he hold the mic while he does this?

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, the mic should be.

[Chris]

There's too many cables around here.

[Dan LeBatard]

You can't have that. If you put Fuentes near him, he's liable to get hurt with shrapnel. So go ahead. Let's see what we have.

[Jessica]

Just do it already.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, wow. Not afraid.

[Chris]

I don't think he did anything to it.

[Greg Cody]

It's already misshapen.

[Chris]

No,

[Dan LeBatard]

no, that's dented.

[Mike]

That's.

[Jeremy Peacock]

Yeah, but he didn't throw it.

[Chris]

It's not dented.

[Dan LeBatard]

Craig. That wasn't good enough. Yeah, he's gonna hurt himself.

[Ad Read Announcer]

Still.

[Dan LeBatard]

Still usable. I don't think I wanted.

[Mike]

Still.

[Ad Read Announcer]

You could probably return that racket.

[Mike]

Hair flops a bad ang.

[Jessica]

That angle of his look.

[Mike]

Trying to kill Karacha, Bill Murray and Kingpin.

[Dan LeBatard]

Not a fluttering angle of his.

[Greg Cody]

Victory is mine.

[Dan LeBatard]

His hair. His Hair Echoes is the name of her podcast. It's with Mike Golick jr. Thank you, Jessica. Bye.