Jeff Berardelli Answers Dan's El Niño Questions | Hour 3

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show

Episode: Jeff Berardelli Answers Dan's El Niño Questions | Hour 3

Date: July 21, 2026
Location: Live from the Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
Guests: Jeff Berardelli (Chief Meteorologist, Climate Specialist from Tampa Bay)
Co-hosts: Jonathan Zaslow, Dave Damoshek

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Episode Overview

This hour features an in-depth, lively conversation between Dan Le Batard and Jeff Berardelli about the escalating climate crisis, with a focus on the approaching "Super El Niño" and its implications for Florida and beyond. The discussion covers why climate change is underreported, how El Niño is being "supercharged," the threat of severe weather events, and the challenges of getting the public to care. The second half shifts to the economics and future of live entertainment and wrestling, ending with the hosts' favorite things to introduce friends to, rounding out a signature blend of Le Batard's urgency, curiosity, and pop culture banter.

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Key Topics & Discussion Points

1. Opening Banter: Sports, Injuries, & Media Turmoil

• [00:43] Dan discusses Yankees' struggles amid Aaron Judge's injury: "There's nothing that he can do with his upper body... What's he going to do, become a soccer player?"
• [02:33] Dave Damoshek points out how weak the American League is this year and how crucial Judge's absence is: "Without Aaron Judge, they're average at best."
• [03:21] Shifts to the instability in sports media (NFL Live layoffs, ESPN/NFL Network merger), setting the stage for broader instability--both in media and in the climate.

2. Baseball Superstition, No-Hitter Jinx ([05:36–09:14])

• Discussion about sports superstitions, like jinxing a no-hitter when mentioned on air.
• Jonathan Zaslow: "I used to partake in that bullshit when I was younger. But then I stopped being stupid." [08:32]
• Dave Damoshek recounts how he watched a game from the bathroom because of the 'butterfly effect' superstition. [08:40]
• Commentary on how irrational but common these rituals are among fans and athletes.

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3. Interview: Jeff Berardelli on Super El Niño & Climate Crisis

[Starts: 12:37]

Urgency & Underreporting

• Dan: "Why are more people not talking about what seems to be possible extinction level events that are approaching?" [13:11]
  • Jeff: "I think a lot of it’s ideological... people have chosen a team... Also, people have a hard time connecting with stuff that seems like it's somewhat in the distant future." [13:27]
  • Warns of passing "tipping points in the next couple of decades... points of no return." [13:51]

Explaining (Super) El Niño

• Dan asks for a plain-English explanation: What is El Niño and what’s coming soon? [14:02]
  • Jeff: "El Niño is a natural phenomenon, but it could be supercharged by climate change. This is going to be the strongest El Niño ever."
    • Fewer hurricanes this summer for Florida, but "come late fall and winter, we get an invigorated sub-tropical jet stream... a lot of severe weather and a lot of rain." [14:13]
    • Recalls being "live on the air" during Florida's worst tornado outbreak in 1998, tied to a strong El Niño. [14:55]

2026–2027 Florida & Southeast Weather Effects

• Dan: "What’s happening this winter?" [15:04]
  • Jeff: "Stormy... with a lot of severe weather... mostly in the Southeast and across Florida, maybe not necessarily Miami, moreso Tampa, Orlando, Atlanta, Charleston, New Orleans—along the Gulf Coast, very severe weather." [15:06]

Food Security & Long-term Risks

• Dan: "Are you worried about food prices and shortages long term?" [15:23]
  • Jeff: "Yes... what concerns me most... it’s all those things compounding on top of each other... causes political destabilization, supply chain issues, resource fights. That's the main issue with climate change." [15:29]

Concrete Impacts for Florida

• Dan: "What are practical difficulties Florida faces in the next year?" [16:06]
  • Jeff: "Heat waves will be worse... The Florida Keys coral cover is 'literally 1%' because of what happened in 2023. We're losing our ecosystems now." [16:23]
    • Warns: "We can run from the water, but we can't stay still. Eventually... our shoreline is going to be eaten away to the point where we can't live where we do right now." [16:40]

The Science: Super El Niño Verified by Models

• Dan: "90% of models say this will be historic—what does that mean?" [17:10]
  • Jeff: "This is going to be the strongest El Niño ever."
    • "Water temperatures in the central and eastern Pacific... warmer than they’ve ever been... not just by a little bit, but by a whole lot."
    • Atlantic hurricane season will be quieter; Pacific will see a severe season; "the biggest impact for Florida and the southeast US is what happens late fall and winter—likely severe weather." [17:16–17:56]

Tornado Threats in Unlikely Places

• Dan: "What does severe weather mean?" [17:56]
  • Jeff: "A lot more tornadoes than we would typically see," even in places like Florida and the Southeast not used to them: "Everything shifts south and east... stronger and more frequent tornadoes." [18:22]

Debating "Supercharging" El Niño

• Dan: New York Times' "Is Climate Change Supercharging El Niño?" [18:52]
  • Jeff: Yes, debatable, El Niño is natural but "all that heat... some of that is due to excess heat trapped by greenhouse gases." [19:05]
    • "Our seasonal models... indicate a historical worst El Niño." [19:45]

Are You Scared?

• Dan: "You say all this... stoically. Are you scared?" [20:13]
  • Jeff: "No. I find this very interesting... but I also find a lot of moral and ethical flaws in the way we're treating the Earth." [20:17]

Public Information Gaps

• Dan: "How do you feel about how this is being covered?" [20:38]
  • Jeff: "There's a lot of disinformation... entities are scared to talk about climate change for political reasons... it already is becoming a major issue. It’s costing us a lot of money... if we don’t stop it now, it’s gonna be too late." [20:49]

Notable Quote

"We need to be talking about climate change a lot more because this is gonna be—already is—a major issue. If we don’t stop it now, it’s going to be too late."
— Jeff Berardelli [20:49]

Extreme Event Highlights & Hard Stats

• Dan: "What are the most interesting things you’re observing?" [21:23]
  • Jeff: "New York keeps flooding... they're seeing the highest rain rates every year. We're seeing these 100-year, 1000-year floods... 1000-year heat waves... hurricanes are now twice as likely to become a Cat 3, 4, 5 as 40–50 years ago." [21:42]

Deregulation and the Climate Trajectory

• Dan: "How has deregulation from the Trump administration affected climate change?" [22:20]
  • Jeff: "It’s affecting our future trajectory... carbon dioxide stays for thousands of years... we need to be bringing emissions down, instead they're going the opposite direction." [22:25]

Close of Interview

• Dan thanks Jeff for his time and candor. [23:06]
• Jeff: "Glad to be here. Thank you." [23:14]

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4. Tickets, Wrestling, and the Economics of Fandom

[23:17–32:41]

• Discussion shifts to the rising ticket prices for WWE events, SummerSlam and WrestleMania, with Jonathan Zaslow explaining: "It's absurd... tickets that cost $500 for SummerSlam would have been $2,500 for WrestleMania just a few months ago." [26:54]
• ESPN's business ties to WWE and changing profit models—Dan notes "ESPN pretty immediately regretted the investment they made in WWE." [32:12]
• Mike: "I know they have me, but the casuals... they have more than left." [31:23]
• Zaslow: "You have to get families and little kids in the door so they could be fans their entire lives." [29:55]
• Dan: On Vince McMahon’s long-term fan-building strategy vs. current short-term cash grabs:
  "He saw the long term investment... it was always affordable... keeping fans in these remote places at that price point was important." [32:44]

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5. Personal Highlights: Bringing Friends Into Favorite Things

[33:11–41:47]

Ticket Sharing, Concerts, and Sandwich Stories

• Zaslow: "I like bringing someone to see Pearl Jam with me." [34:13]
• Story: Zaslow made friend Mike a tuna sandwich for a road trip to see Pearl Jam—a running inside joke. [35:01]

Dave Damoshek's Top 5 Things to Introduce People To [36:44]

1. The Randy Johnson bird video
2. New TV show/artist
3. Barry Bonds' Baseball Reference page
4. A fun new idiom
5. The Grape Lady YouTube video

Dan's Top 5 Introductions [41:03]

1. Elvis’s "my doctor" rant
2. Jai Alai
3. Anal
4. Billy Joel's freak-out on stage
5. The original "Bad Boys" movie cast fact

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Jeff Berardelli on the core climate danger:

  "It's all those [climate disasters] compounding... causing political destabilization, supply chain issues, where we have less resources. We're all fighting over those resources... That's the main issue with climate change."
  — [15:29]

• On Florida’s unique risks:

  "In the 1970s, we had 40% coral cover [in the Florida Keys]. Now it’s literally 1%... We can run from the water, but we can't stay still."
  — [16:23]

• Jeff, on the strongest El Niño ever:

  "Water temperatures... are going to be warmer than they’ve ever been. Not just by a little bit, by a whole lot." — [17:15]

• Jeff, candidly on fear and science:

  "No, I don't really get scared. I'm a scientist... but I find a lot of moral and ethical flaws in the way we're treating the Earth." — [20:17]

• Zaslow, on pricing future fans out of wrestling:

  "You have to make sure you get families in the door… so they could be fans their entire life."
  — [29:55]

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Important Timestamps

• 12:37 — Berardelli joins for El Niño/climate segment
• 13:11 — Dan: Why doesn’t the public care more?
• 14:13 — Jeff: Layperson’s explanation of El Niño and coming winter
• 15:23 — Climate change risk: supply chains, food, destabilization
• 16:23 — Florida’s coral crisis & shoreline future
• 17:10 — 90% of models: this will be the most severe El Niño ever
• 18:22 — Tornadoes in Florida/southeast: new weather threats
• 20:49 — Climate change underreported/disinformation
• 21:42 — 1000-year floods/heatwaves, supercharged hurricanes
• 23:06 — Interview closes out

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Tone & Style

• Dan Le Batard: Earnestly curious, lightly sardonic, focused on urgent issues but open to playful banter.
• Jeff Berardelli: Calm, scientific, forthright about stakes but matter-of-fact rather than alarmist.
• Jonathan Zaslow: Sarcastic, upfront, representing the everyfan’s frustrations and joys.
• Dave Damoshek: Goofy, story-driven, connecting statistical awe to relatable moments in fandom.

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Takeaway

This episode combines the show’s playful irreverence with a sobering climate segment, highlighting just how close-to-home the planet’s challenges now are—even for the sports- and entertainment-obsessed Miami audience. The “Super El Niño” is presented as a major, immediate shift in the weather poised to reshape lives, drive political and economic instability, and alter the experience—and affordability—of some of South Florida’s favorite things, from wrestling to Pearl Jam concerts.
The memorable moments—including a scientist’s frank calm, jokes about superstition, the price of nostalgia, and the Grape Lady’s iconic fall—make a report on existential crisis as listenable as it is urgent.

Transcript

[Dan Levitar]

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[Dan Levatar]

Die.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

We're all gonna die.

[Dan Levatar]

No one gets out on.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

There's a parasite in my salad diarrhea

[Dan Levatar]

up to my eyes. Let's turn on the news and find

[Jonathan Zaslow]

out how we're gonna die.

[Dan Levatar]

The Red Sox beat the Orioles last night. They came back to beat the Orioles, the Yankees. I don't know if you have seen what's happening with Aaron Judge, but they say as part of his rehab he can't use any of his upper body just as part of how he's rehabbing. There's nothing that he can do with his upper body as the Yankees are trying to hold off the Red Sox that have now I think they're 212 in the last three weeks they won 13 or 14 now 1414 in a row and swamped the Rays in a four game series who have been ahead of them all season. I don't even know what an injury has to be for the I thought he was going to be back already and I don't know how it is he gets back when part of his rehab over the half of the season is he can't Use the upper half of his body. What's he going to do, become a soccer player?

[Dan Levitar]

He's older.

[Dave Damoshek]

The whole thing is so weird because everyone anticipated that he would be back sooner, and now it just seems like they're drifting without him. And the American League is terrible. Like the. The Rays are good, but even they've played okay over the last month or so. The American League is not good. This was a year that the Yankees theoretically could coast to the World Series, and without Aaron Judge, they're average at best as a team.

[Dan Levatar]

Yeah, I see that the Pirates are hitting home runs all over the place,

[Dave Damoshek]

but Damoshek's talking so much shit.

[Dan Levatar]

Yeah, they. But the Yankees, though, are wounded and hurting, and their best player, who's super

[Dan Levitar]

important, is older than Jonas Valanchunas. I mean, he's an older guy. This is how it happens at this age. He's older than Jonas Valentunas.

[Dan Levatar]

Some people are sending me because obviously the media people in my life are noticing what is happening to the industry when Ryan Clark is being fired during a show. Yesterday, NFL Live won a couple of sports Emmys while Ryan Clark was there. He does the show with Arlovsky, Marcus Spears, Mina and Laura Rutledge. And some people are going through the voyeuristic, macabre joy of watching how Mena appeared to be rattled in the segment after what happened. They're going through the footage and noticing that Mina looked rattled because it's not unlike if we're out somewhere, our group, and all of a sudden I see Tony taken off by a shark. Like, we're just sitting there, we're all together, and I'm expected to do the show where we're just hanging out, but a shark emerged from behind you. Like Samuel Jackson in Deep Blue Sea. You know, big surprise, a shark takes you out. It is. I haven't seen the footage of that, but it is a perilous time. It is a perilous time in media because the great supplier of jobs is under duress. The great supplier of jobs is laying people off. And the entire climate is changing around. Not the kind of climate we're gonna be talking about in five minutes with the foremost El Nino expert in the country.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Couple of NFL Network names have also been released. Charles Davis and Tom Pelcero.

[Dan Levatar]

As the merger happens between NFL Network and ESPN and it becomes all things football all the time, obviously there are going to be some redundancy of skill sets there. When all of these things come into play, I guess we'll be talking a little more about this over the next couple of days. I wanted to ask you guys, though, 76ers president Mike Gancy had to go to video and apologized to Jesus Lozardo, the pitcher for the All Star pitcher for the Philadelphia Phillies, because he mentioned that he had a no hitter, and then the no hitter ended soon thereafter after.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Come on, what are we doing, really? We're doing this bullshit with mentioning the no hitter and then the no hitter gets broken up and, oh, it's his fault.

[Dan Levatar]

Well, let's see. Do we have the audio of him ruining the no hitter? Allegedly.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Sixers new president of basketball operations Mike Gansey and head Nick Nurse down here as we go to the top half

[Dave Damoshek]

of the fifth, Inc.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Fellas, thanks for joining us.

[Dan Levitar]

Mike, welcome to Philadelphia. Thank you. Thanks for having me. Yeah.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

How's everything going your first couple of days?

[Jeff Baradelli]

Good, good.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yeah.

[Dave Damoshek]

Glad we're out to a 8, 0 start, right?

[Dan Levitar]

Yeah, we are.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

First game, man.

[Dave Damoshek]

No hitter.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

No hitters still intact.

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[Jonathan Zaslow]

Lizardo's been.

[Jeff Baradelli]

Oh,

[Jonathan Zaslow]

he almost said it.

[Dan Levitar]

All right, Nick, what's the equivalent of

[Jonathan Zaslow]

that when it comes to basketball?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

I don't know.

[Dan Levitar]

I think it's, you know, you say, don't shoot and it goes in, you know. Oh, that's so great.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Top of the fifth. They weren't even halfway through the game. Wasn't even halfway through the game. And by the way, the worst look here for Gansey is saying it's eight, zero. Come on. You can't say it's eight. Oh, what, what kind of, what kind of talk is that in sports?

[Dan Levatar]

8, 0, 8, nil.

[Jeff Baradelli]

80.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Come on.

[Dan Levatar]

Top of the fifth, I think is okay. I think most people listening to this would say it's okay to mention that someone has a no hitter in the top of the fifth. I don't think that once you get into the seventh, eighth and ninth, baseball players are very superstitious about this. Baseball players would tell you that you do not do that. In fact, I'm going to find very few who wouldn't say that. And obviously I think it's silly the idea that the 76ers president would have any impact on whether or not a ball is hit there. Are you a superstitious person?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

No, no. Stupid.

[Dan Levatar]

Do you understand superstition in sports? Because Jeremy will tell you, around the Marlins and around baseball players, like all of them think that you don't mention this stuff. I saw Paul Skeens was quoted as saying, you absolutely do not mention.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

So you think, you think when a pitcher has a no hitter, okay, and A pitcher ends up completing that no hitter. You're telling me no one in the ballpark once utter the word he's got no hitter.

[Dave Damoshek]

It's butterfly effect.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

No one in the ballpark and no one watching the game either uttered for a moment said pitcher currently has no hitter.

[Dave Damoshek]

Maybe they did never happen. But you don't want to be the one that throws it off.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Okay, but you can't mention it on a public platform.

[Dave Damoshek]

That's a totally different thing. You're sitting with your boy and you're having a conversation. You're like, hey, I noticed something on the scoreboard. That's a different thing than the announcer or someone in the booth saying, hey, there is currently a no hitter going.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

And there are some announcers job is to tell the listener or viewer who what is happening in the game.

[Dave Damoshek]

And maybe you tell them, check out the scoreboard.

[Dan Levitar]

Check out the box score.

[Dan Levatar]

Do you wear lucky shirts or sit on your uncomfortable couch in a certain place when your team is. You don't do any of that stuff because I would think that you would be somebody who wears lucky shirts and does that stuff.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

No, when I was younger, not never lucky shirts, but like sitting in certain places. I used to partake in that bullshit when I was younger. But then I stopped being stupid.

[Dave Damoshek]

No, I'm still this way. I've told this story before, but when the Heat were coming back from down 16 against the Bucks in 2023, I was use. I was cutting clips for social media for the network at the time. And I had brought my computer because I had to use the bathroom. I had brought my computer in there with me because I couldn't miss any of the action. And the Heat started coming back and so I just stayed in the bathroom for the entire fourth quarter until they came back and won because I was doing my part. It's the butterfly effect. This is no different. We were talking about the things that the Heat had to overcome after LeBron left. Maybe if LeBron stays, Chris Bosh never gets blood.

[Dan Levatar]

You came back from vacation early to help the Panthers win a championship.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

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[Dan Levatar]

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[Jonathan Zaslow]

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[Dan Levatar]

Jeff Baradelli is with us and he is from Tampa Bay. He's the chief meteorologist and climate specialist and he is one of the few people I hear anywhere in the media talking about El Nino, super El Nino and really unprecedented times. So thank you for joining us, Jeff, before we get started here, glad to be here. Before you explain, I'm glad you're still here. I don't know for how much longer because it seems like all of us are going to perish soon.

[Dan Levitar]

Explain to me, not an alarmist, why

[Jeff Baradelli]

we only have three minutes left, so we gotta do this fast.

[Dan Levatar]

Why are more people not talking about what seems to be possible extinction level events that are approaching? Because climate scientists are telling us we've never seen what is headed this way.

[Jeff Baradelli]

I think a lot of it's ideological. I mean, it's a lot bigger than that. But people have chosen a team. I'm either on this team, no climate change, or this team, crazy climate change. Also, I think people, I have a hard time connecting with stuff that seems like it's somewhat in the distant future. It's happening right now, it's escalating. But in terms of being an extinction level event, it's a long time out and I'm not sure we'll ever get there. I hope if we can get a hold of this, but we have to get a hold of it before it's too late because we're going to start passing tipping points in the next couple of decades and essentially there are points of no return. And then after that things really get worse fast.

[Dan Levatar]

Well, what is El Nino? Explain it to people. Not in the in the weeds in terms of the water warming, but what's coming. What's coming this way in the near future, not in the distant future.

[Jeff Baradelli]

Just so we know El Nino is a natural phenomenon, but it very well could be supercharged by climate change. But El Nino happens every few years. This is going to be the strongest El Nino ever. What it means are a couple of things. First of all, for the summertime, we're going to see less hurricanes and less major hurricanes. It should be one of the quietest hurricane seasons we've seen in a while. But the problem is, is switch forward to the wintertime, late fall and winter, and all of a sudden we get an invigorated tropical subtropical jet stream because of all the heat in the Pacific, gets into the atmosphere, supercharges the subtropical jet and causes a lot of severe weather and a lot of rain as we get to the late part of fall and into the wintertime. And the worst tornado outbreak in Florida history. I was on air during 1998 in Central Florida during it, live on the air. It was the worst tornado outbreak we've ever had. And that was during a Super El Nina.

[Dan Levatar]

What's happening this winter?

[Jeff Baradelli]

It's going to be very stormy and there's going to be a lot of severe weather and it's going to be mostly in the Southeast and across Florida, maybe not necessarily Miami, more so as you head towards Tampa, Orlando and north of that into places like Atlanta and Charleston, South Carolina and New Orleans, but along the Gulf coast, very severe weather.

[Dan Levatar]

Are you worried about food prices and food shortages in the long term?

[Jeff Baradelli]

I am. When people ask me what concerns me most when it comes to climate change, it's not the storm, it's not the fire, it's not the heat waves. It's all those things compounding on top of each other simultaneously all over the world, rising sea levels. And that causes a lot of political destabilization, a lot of supply chain issues where we have less resources. We're all fighting over those resources, we're all fighting over land, we're fighting over immigration. And that's what I'm most concerned about is everyone is at each other's throats. So again, people don't think about it that way, but that's the main issue, I think, when it comes to climate change.

[Dan Levatar]

How about Florida? What do you see being the practical difficulties headed toward Florida, specifically in the next year? Because I do think people get real calm about the idea that this is 10 years away, 20 years away, 30 years away and 50 years away. What are we talking about in 2027?

[Jeff Baradelli]

Yeah, I mean, that's the real problem with climate change, right? The heat waves will be worse. One of the problems we have is what's happening in the Florida Keys right now where basically all the coral are go. In the 1970s, we had 40% coral cover. Now the coral cover is literally 1% because of what happened in 2023. So we're losing our ecosystems now. Are we going to see anything that's going to shock us in 2027? Maybe, maybe not. I mean, I think during the winter, El Nino will cause severe weather. But this is a longer term thing. And in terms of Florida, we cannot run from the water, right? We can run from the water, but we can't stay still. So eventually, over the course of many decades. Our shoreline is going to be eaten away to the point where they're where we can't live, where we live right now. So. Yeah, but people have a hard time connecting with longer term things. And you know, to some degree, climate

[Dan Levatar]

change is that when you say 90% of models say this will be a historic event, what does that mean?

[Jeff Baradelli]

Yeah, this is going to be the strongest El Nino ever. I have very little doubt in that. Almost all the models say it will. So basically it means that the water temperatures in the central and eastern Pacific tropical areas are going to be warmer than they've ever been. And not just by a little bit, by a whole lot. We see El Nino's every few years. Right. It's going to be the strongest ever. So we're going to see unprecedented things happen around the world. We're already seeing that in Europe and it probably has at least some linkage to climate change. We're going to see a very severe hurricane season in the Pacific, but for us, actually during the Atlantic hurricane season, it means it'll be quieter. So there's lots of different impacts. I think the biggest impact for Florida and the southeast US is going to be what happens late fall and winter. We're likely to see a lot of severe weather.

[Dan Levatar]

What does that mean, the intensity of it. When you say severe weather, what does that mean?

[Dan Levitar]

Tornadoes.

[Jeff Baradelli]

A lot more tornadoes than we would typically see.

[Dan Levatar]

And what is going to be?

[Jeff Baradelli]

I think. Yeah.

[Dan Levatar]

And what does that mean? Like, I wear, like. I understand that you can't pick exactly where that this is difficult, but for people who haven't experienced tornadoes in my, my lifetime, Florida tornadoes, that's not a thing. I'm not sitting around fearing tornado.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Florida.

[Jeff Baradelli]

No, not Kansas. So this would be anywhere from Texas through the Gulf Coast, New Orleans, Pensacola, down to Orlando and Tampa and maybe even Miami too. And the Southeast around North Carolina and South Carolina. So those areas that don't get usually as many tornadoes as they do in, let's say Oklahoma or the Mississippi Valley, everything shifts south and east. And so all of a sudden we end up with much stronger tornadoes and more frequent tornadoes than we otherwise would see. It's not a definite, but it's most likely gonna happen just simply because this is an unprecedented El Nino that we're going into this winter.

[Dan Levatar]

When I present to you the New York Times headline is Climate Change Supercharging El Nino? A debate rages. Do you believe that a debate is what should be raging or do you believe you have facts here?

[Jeff Baradelli]

No, this is a debatable topic only because El Nino is a natural thing. Climate change is an unnatural thing caused by man. But this is going to be the strongest El Nino by far. And so it is likely that all that heat that's been stored up for years and years in the western Pacific, some of that is due to the excess heat trapped by greenhouse gases by humans. So I do think likely we will find pretty soon that El Nino is going to be supercharged by climate change, but we need to do more research to be sure. So, yes, I think it's something we should talk about and research for sure.

[Dan Levatar]

But are you sure? Where do you stand on the connection between climate change and El Nino's intensity? As you continue to say, this is going to be off the charts, I

[Jeff Baradelli]

cannot be sure, but I know due to our seasonal models that it's going to be an off the charts El Nino. Two separate things, right? I can't be sure that climate change is making it worse, although it probably is. We need to do research on that. But one thing I can say is our seasonal models, which have become really good at forecasting, almost all of them, indicate a historical worst El Nino we've ever had. And yes, there's a possibility that some of that is due to excess heat trapped by climate change in the Pacific Ocean.

[Dan Levatar]

You say all of this matter of factly. You say this rather stoically. Are you scared?

[Jeff Baradelli]

No. And that's the thing about me. I don't really get scared. I'm a scientist, of course I can be scared. Lightning scares me, I will tell you that. But generally speaking, no, I'm talking about this through the lens of a scientist, someone who. I find this very interesting. But I also find a lot of moral and ethical flaws in the way that we're treating the Earth right now, because it's going to come back to haunt us.

[Dan Levatar]

How do you feel about how it's being covered? How do you feel like the nutrients that the public is getting is getting dispensed? Because I believe that this is all being underreported.

[Jeff Baradelli]

There's a lot of disinformation out there, and I think there's a lot of entities that are scared to talk about climate change for political reasons. So I think the amount that we're talking about climate change has never reached the level that it needed to be, and it's actually come down from that over the past couple of years. So we need to be talking about climate change a lot more because this is gonna be. It already is becoming a major issue. It's costing us a lot of money. It's causing problems around the world and it's only gonna get worse from here. It's almost like we have to stop it now or it's going to be really bad in the future. So even though we're not in the future yet, if we don't stop it now, it's gonna be too late.

[Dan Levatar]

And among the things that you've seen over the last three or four years, everything from Venezuela to earthquakes to New York, out of nowhere gets flash floods over the weekend. Like, what are things that you are finding most interesting when you say you're just observing this as an interested scientist?

[Jeff Baradelli]

Things that are most interesting? Yes. I mean, New York keeps flooding. A lot of that's because it's so urban and there's nowhere for the water to go. But they're seeing rain rates, their highest rain rates they've ever seen every year.

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[Jeff Baradelli]

We're seeing a lot of these 100 year, 1000 year floods or 100 or 1000 year heat waves. So we're seeing it, you know, in plain sight. And also we're seeing a greater proportion of hurricanes become major hurricanes. In fact, in the Atlantic, a run of the mill hurricane is now twice as likely to become a major Cat 3, Cat 4, Cat 5 than it was just about 40 or 50 years ago. Storms are getting faster, much. Excuse me, getting stronger, much faster than they used to just a few decades ago.

[Dan Levitar]

How much has deregulation from the Trump administration affected climate change?

[Jeff Baradelli]

Well, it wouldn't be affecting it yet. Right. But it's definitely affecting our future trajectory. So climate change is the buildup of greenhouse gases. And once they're there, once carbon dioxide is out there, it never, it does not come out. It's there for thousands of years. So as we start to deregulate and allow more pollution to get into the atmosphere, all we do is we need to be bringing, we need to be bringing our emissions down, but instead they go in the opposite direction. And unfortunately, it's going to take a lot longer to reel everything back in. We were on a course for a correction and now we're no longer on that course for correction.

[Dan Levatar]

Zaz, what are you looking at?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Oh, I'm trying to see what My favorite show, 60 Minutes, is coming back on air. It's looking like September.

[Dan Levatar]

Jeff, thank you for being on with us. We appreciate your time and appreciate the information, sir. Thank you.

[Jeff Baradelli]

Glad to be here. Thank you.

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[Dan Levatar]

Levatar what is the worst part of the life?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Jonathan Saslow

[Jeff Baradelli]

the worst part of the life of what?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

This is the Dan Levatar Show.

[Dan Levatar]

Lost everybody here. I can tell that everyone is here thinking about SummerSlam like that. All of you are here thinking about wrestling and the only thing you care about is whether or not weather is going to affect your plan.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

SummerSlam's indoors seem like you wanted someone

[Dan Levitar]

to tell you there was going to be a tornado that hits you here right now like it's a closer no Tampa, Orlando. But what about Miami? You would really press them?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I've lived my whole life I've never seen a tornado.

[Dan Levitar]

But where? But where specifically? I'll give you a three mile radius. You tell me.

[Dan Levatar]

You think I'm rooting for tornadoes?

[Dan Levitar]

Yeah, that's how I entered in it. Let me see if Cool. Yeah, it was. It was confirmation bias no doubt. But I was listening to it like Dan is rooting for the weather.

[Dan Levatar]

I don't understand the position that you guys are putting me in.

[Dan Levitar]

Why I didn't trust me, if I were putting you in a position that would not be the position I put you in.

[Dan Levatar]

Where I live it is difficult if that floods for me to even leave Miami Beach.

[Dan Levitar]

Yes.

[Dan Levatar]

More than all of you.

[Dan Levitar]

So you're not too concerned More than

[Dan Levatar]

the rest of you know I'm plenty concerned. I you guys have me rooting for an apocalypse to be on my balcony. That's what you guys have me rooting for, I don't.

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[Dan Levatar]

You want it?

[Dan Levitar]

Yeah. I don't have you doing that.

[Dan Levatar]

There was an earthquake in Cuba.

[Dan Levitar]

Like, there's no fault lines here, though.

[Dan Levatar]

What? But what. Since when are there earthquakes in Cuba?

[Dan Levitar]

The Daylight Station 1 Downtown Dayland. We got a little earthquake. We can get her. You can get. I know we're not on a fault line, which means we're not going to get the bad ones, but you can. There isn't of. There isn't such a thing as a place that's not capable of getting an earthquake.

[Dan Levatar]

Zaz, how much did you pay for SummerSlam tickets?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I. I've only bought in for night one so far. I still need to buy for night two, but for night one, I paid. I paid a little less than five a pop.

[Dan Levatar]

Five dollars?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

No, add a couple zeros.

[Dan Levatar]

Well, I think they're going for $5 now.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

They're not going for $5 right now, but they have. They have marked certain tickets to $25 with the fees, of course, because it's a total racket. It ends up being $43. So. $43 a ticket. But listen, when your boy goes to see wrestling, he's got to sit ringside. So those $43 seats are not for me.

[Dan Levitar]

But. All right, so you got really good tickets for $500 ticket. What were those prices for WrestleMania?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

It's a great. It's a great question, actually. The seats that I got for SummerSlam, which is in two weeks in Minnesota, those seats for like. Like, they really have reduced prices. There's been an incredible amount of negative feedback, deservedly so, for how much these tickets cost for WWE events. And the tickets that I'm sitting in, at least for the First Night for SummerSlam, which cost me 500 each for WrestleMania just a few months ago, would have been probably about 2,500. Like, it's absurd.

[Dan Levitar]

That's not just them bowing to pressure. That's the market dictating the new prices.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yeah, and as of just a few days ago, the. The sales for SummerSlam very poor. Like, embarrassingly poor. It's in a stadium, Dan, which, you know, like, if they wanted to use the whole. Or actually, just. Just for context, last year, SummerSlam was in MetLife and they sold 50,000 tickets per night. Great crowd. As of a few days ago, they'd only sold. And this is a comparable stadium, they'd only sold 22,000. Less than half.

[Dan Levitar]

That's numbers.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Now, Thousands of tickets have moved over the last few days because they have significantly dropped prices and they've been pushing hard, which is why I've waited to purchase tickets for the second night because I know they're going to keep dropping, keep dropping and I'll get even better seats. But the ticket prices are outrageous for WWE and that's really been a trend since TKO took over a few years.

[Dan Levatar]

Well, let me talk about TKO and you guys and how you care about wrestling here because it's been a pretty seismic change for those of you who long for a different time with espn. As you see espn, ESPN laying people off that people care about. Today, I find it fairly amazing. Whenever I'm on ESPN.com or scrolling past ESPN, there's always a wrestler on there on one of their shows. They are, they are really spending a lot of invested time and money on a partnership with the new business model of wrestling. I've told you that Nick Khan, who is a power broker at the very height of all of sports, that for a while he was basically running espn. Nick Khan when he was at CAA was essentially doing ESPN's programming because all of his clients were at ESPN. And then he got out at the time that he milked everything that he could from ESPN because he saw that this day was coming. And now he profits a different way off of espn. How do you two, you and Mike, who care so much about wrestling, feel about how wrestling is managed right now and the way they appear to be gouging people who are now turning around and saying, no, we're not going to do this. You have to have an appreciation for your customer base. If you're going to sell to me, you can't be some sort of outsider who's going to come in here and try and take my money. When you don't care about this as much as I do. You care only about the business of this.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

It feels like a very short term view that the company has with the way that they price tickets. Like as if let's make as much money as possible right now because we're not going to own this thing forever. Because if we were going to own this thing forever, you have to make sure you get families in the door. Even if the families are sitting all the way up top. You got to get the families and little kids in door so they could be fans their entire life. Like me, where I'm now spending my income on wrestling and going with, with my boys. It feels like that's not what's happening here, that it's just about let's let's milk this thing dry for everything it's worth. We're gonna treat it like a business, and then we're gonna get rid of it when we feel like it's not profitable anymore.

[Dan Levatar]

Mike, are you getting mad?

[Dan Levitar]

Oh, I've been mad, but I'm a lifelong wrestling fan, so they know that they have certain fans by the balls. I pay for Netflix. It's the only thing that got me to pay for Netflix. I don't watch it on Netflix. The programming is bad. And I bet you if we saw the internal numbers, I bet you fewer people are watching WWE Monday Night Raw live on Netflix. Fewer people are watching that than AEW Dynamite Weekly. I feel pretty strongly about that. I don't like that I have to have Netflix and I have to buy the additional ESPN package. And when I do so, I have additional commercials. I'm paying behind a paywall. A pretty big premium, a sizable one. And these shows that famously used to go without commercials don't just have a little bit of commercials in them. They're. Dude, it's mostly commercials. And I'm watching this. I'm like, I know they have me, but I'm glad that I have an alternative. I know they have me, but the casuals that came around when WrestleMania 40 was happening and they were telling all these great stories, they have more than left.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

The ticket prices bother me. And not, not just, not for me in particular, because thank God, I can afford it all right, and it's where I like to spend my disposable income. But I feel bad for other people who can't go. Like, I like for people to go and enjoy this really great show. And you know, TKO doesn't allow it.

[Dan Levitar]

And you know why there are so many commercials, Dan? For WWE ples now? It's because ESPN has to recoup their investment because they regret paying that much for it. And it looks like, look, Nick Khan was really good at getting espn.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

For context, Nick Khan's the president of wwe.

[Dan Levitar]

Nick Khan, over the course of his very illustrious career, was really good at getting ESPN to overpay for stuff. And I think it's pretty obvious. Espn, and there have been reports on this, ESPN fairly immediately regretted the investment that they made in wwe. But like Zaz highlighted, I don't think these are moves with the future in mind.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yeah, Vince McMahon. There's no long term view.

[Dan Levitar]

Vince McMahon ran house shows in towns because he, he saw the long term investment.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

It was always affordable in that even

[Dan Levitar]

though they would not make money for him running house shows in that town, keeping fans in these remote places at that price point was an important thing. That was Vince McMahon. Not a great guy. I don't know if you've read the papers lately, but every move that they made is driven by the dollar. And that's all right. They got a business. They made a big investment in purchasing this. But. But it was bound to catch up to them. I don't think they anticipated it catching up to them this fast.

[Dan Levatar]

Zaz, you mentioned pricing people out, and you like the idea of introducing a new generation of people to something. What are your favorite things to introduce people to where you get the most pleasure from? The discovery of. I know about this thing, and I want to share it with you. I want to be the one who shares this thing with you so that I can get the credit when you are filled with wonder and discovery about something that I showed you.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I don't really. I don't really feel that way with wrestling because I like for people who like wrestling to be able to go. I don't. I don't try to convince people that wrestling is great because I know it's very niche, okay? So I don't care about that. But I do like bringing someone to see Pearl Jam with me. Like, I like when someone who has never seen them, who likes them on the periphery, but has never seen them live. I do really enjoy introducing them live.

[Dan Levatar]

Mike will never. Mike will never forgive Pearl Jam or Eddie Vedder for what they did to him at Hard Rock, where they played none of their hits on the first night, the night he went, and then they played all of their hits. And the second show was amazing. The first one was vastly less amazing. You'll never forgive.

[Dan Levitar]

The second show was more for. For Pearl Jam fans like myself. The first one was for Pearl Jam fans. First one was for me, Zaz. But I. I do consider myself a Pearl Jam fan, and I wasn't a fan of theirs, really, until Zaz took.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I brought him for his first time. That's right. I brought him.

[Jeff Baradelli]

We.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

We were in the second row on the floor. Those are good seats.

[Dan Levitar]

Was that the tuna sandwich day?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yes, that was. That was me being a conscientious friend, if that's what you're referencing.

[Dan Levatar]

What does that mean, a tuna sandwich day? I don't know what.

[Dan Levitar]

They packed me a sandwich, famously, for the road. For the road trip to Tampa.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yes. That was me being a good friend. Yes.

[Dan Levitar]

You don't know that story?

[Dan Levatar]

I don't remember that story.

[Dan Levitar]

Did you pack me a tuna sandwich?

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I didn't pack tuna sandwiches for the road. Okay. What happened was I was making myself a tuna sandwich because it was lunchtime, and Mike had just arrived at my house early, mind you, for us to wind up getting in the car and going to Tampa for the show. Mike got there early. I'm in the middle of making myself a sandwich. I'm gonna be a dick if I get into the car, and I only have a sandwich for myself. So I took out another bun, and I made Mike a sandwich as well. Here, I made you one also.

[Dan Levatar]

Why are you so defensive about your generosity?

[Dan Levitar]

It could have eaten the sandwich there, but it was packing them for the

[Jonathan Zaslow]

road because they make it sound like I got in a car as. As an adult, and I make tuna sandwiches for everybody.

[Dan Levitar]

I mean, I'm just doing.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

What'd you do? That's what you did.

[Dan Levitar]

I remember just being surprised at being handed a. He's like, hey, I made you a sandwich.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Yeah.

[Dan Levitar]

And it's, you know, wrapped up in plastic.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

It was.

[Dan Levitar]

And we're just two guys on a roadie, and he. And he packed me a lunch.

[Dan Levatar]

Headed to wrestling?

[Dan Levitar]

No, it was to Pearl Jam.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Pearl Jam.

[Dave Damoshek]

All right. I just put together a top five.

[Dan Levitar]

That's a fine.

[Dave Damoshek]

I put together a top five.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Whoa, wait.

[Dan Levitar]

It's a famous story that we told several times. And now we're headed to wrestling. He wasn't listening.

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Dan Levitar]

He wasn't listening. I sat through a 60 Minutes interview, and climate change. You couldn't deal with 30 seconds of a Pearl Jam story in a sandwich. Well, one of the great Jonathan Zaslow stories. That's part of his lore.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

We won the lottery with tickets that night because it's lottery based, where I get my seats and I got my tickets. I went up to the booth. Holy shit. We're in the second row on the floor. That was a nice treat.

[Dan Levitar]

Yeah. Not listening. Fine. You know who opened that show? Kings of Leon. That was. That was when they just sorted, hey, let's stop dressing like hippies and start dressing sexy.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

There he goes.

[Dan Levatar]

Two minutes for not listening to.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Wow. Wow.

[Dave Damoshek]

I put together a top five of things I like to introduce people to, because I love what you're talking about here with, like, bringing someone to a

[Jonathan Zaslow]

concert for the first time, making people happy.

[Dan Levitar]

Yeah.

[Dave Damoshek]

It's the best feeling. So when you can introduce someone to something. I sent some stuff to the video team. So my first. Oh, the Randy Johnson bird video. When you get to show someone this video of Randy Johnson killing a bird for the first time.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Okay, but how do you introduce someone?

[Dave Damoshek]

I say, have you ever seen this video life?

[Dan Levitar]

It's a great feeling to introduce people to something. This is a great.

[Dave Damoshek]

Yeah, this is, this is one of the, the best that exists. Another Oli, a new piece of, of pop culture content. Whether that's like a TV show or, or music like you just said. Like when you get to share an artist or a TV show with somebody, the long term reward of like a few weeks later having someone be like, hey, I haven't stopped listening to this artist or hey, I'm on season three of this TV show and I want to talk about it with you. That's one of the best long term feelings. Number five, Barry Bonds baseball RA reference page. Have you ever shown someone these numbers for the first time? Because every time I've ever sent someone who knows anything about baseball to the Barry Bonds baseball reference page, they are mind blown by what they see. There's multiple four year stretches where he led in every offensive category, pre and post steroids.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I mean, the most impressive part is you look at his final season and it's like they didn't want that guy to keep playing, right?

[Dave Damoshek]

Yeah, they all decided they didn't want him. Number four, a fun new idiom. Like when you get to show an old person like, hey, ball off me, coach. What are you talking about? Hey, that's when I want to take personal responsibility for something that's something new you can work into your repertoire. When Dave Damoshek, for example, taught us all we park our cars in the same garage, that was a great feeling. And I'm sure he loved being able to share that with us for the first time. Number three, a quicker or easier route to get somewhere. If I know of a shortcut or I know of a way to get someone to a place with a little less stress and I can share that with them, it is a very rewarding feeling. Number two, an item off a menu at a restaurant someone's been to many times before. If I can share with you that the crispy brussels sprouts at a place are really delicious and you've never tried them before and now I've unlocked something new in your order. Because a lot of people, I don't know about you guys, I go to restaurants and I have like my standard order. And so most of the time I'm getting the same thing. If I can try something new when it's on recommendation, I'm very happy about that. And number one, the Grape Lady YouTube video. These buckets are filled with grapes. What Kind of grapes.

[Dan Levatar]

These are filled with chamberson grapes.

[Jeff Baradelli]

And the winner. This Saturday, who's stomping music, eating international foods, having wine tours and tastings, vineyard tours, seminars, arts and crafts. It's a lot of fun. A whole day.

[Dan Levatar]

Stop. Oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh, oh.

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I can't.

[Jeff Baradelli]

Ow, ow, ow, ow.

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Stop. Oh. Stop.

[Dan Levitar]

Oh, oh, oh, oh.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

I can't breathe.

[Dan Levatar]

Stop.

[Dan Levitar]

Oh, no.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Oh, dear.

[Dave Damoshek]

I don't think she's actually hurt.

[Dan Levitar]

No, I think she is.

[Jeff Baradelli]

Yeah, she's hurt.

[Dan Levitar]

She took a hard fall off there.

[Dan Levatar]

Okay.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Gosh, I hope she's okay.

[Jeff Baradelli]

Ow, ow, ow, ow.

[Dan Levitar]

Our show had so much fun with that sound.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Did we ever actually learn what her injury was?

[Dave Damoshek]

Yeah, she broke a few ribs.

[Dan Levitar]

I think I was inspired because I like introducing people to stuff too. So I quickly put together a top five things of of mine that I like to introduce people to. Number five, Elvis's incredible rant. You remember that?

[Sponsor/Ad Voice]

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[Dan Levitar]

My doctor. It's embarrassing to me. My doctor. I'll rip your tongue. Rip your tongue out by the roots. Thank you very much, my doctor. Number four. Hai Alai. Love treating people to a great time at the fronton, showing them that the world's fastest game is alive and thriving and explaining exactly why Manu is the best backcourter in the world. Number three, anal. Number two, Billy Joel's freakout while he was performing. You guys, you don't remember that?

[Dan Levatar]

No.

[Dan Levitar]

Oh, dude. He's playing the piano and he's like, pissed off with cuz they're shining. Quit lighting the audience.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

He's like, quit lying in the audience.

[Dan Levitar]

And then just cocaine fuel just like throws the. You have this.

[Dave Damoshek]

I love Billy Joel. I've never seen this.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Really? After the show.

[Dan Levitar]

I've never seen this. He just tosses his keyboard. He had a sub scene.

[Dave Damoshek]

Billy Joel.

[Dan Levitar]

And number one, introducing people to the fact that the original cast for Bad Boys was Jon Lovitz and Dana Carpenter.

[Dave Damoshek]

What?

[Dan Levitar]

Which one do you want me to introduce you to? Z.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

What was. What was number four again?

[Dan Levatar]

Highlight.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

No, I'm good with them all.

[Dan Levitar]

I think I like the Elvis one.

[Jonathan Zaslow]

Oh, man. All right.

[Dave Damoshek]

Dan took an extended one, huh?

[Dan Levitar]

I should have made it. Number two.

[Dave Damoshek]

You're trying to Leslie stall until the end of this show.