Local Hour: A Life Before Cell Phones (feat. Mr. Fat Mouth)

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Local Hour: A Life Before Cell Phones (feat. Mr. Fat Mouth)
Date: January 21, 2026

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Overview

Broadcast from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, this episode of the “Local Hour” blends heated college football talk, Miami sports heartbreak, and a humorous, nostalgic look at life before smartphones. Dan, Stugotz, and the crew dive into the ongoing fallout from Miami Hurricanes’ recent losses, the legal quagmire around college athlete transfers and NIL contracts, and the highly publicized spat between Mike Ryan and Miami legend Uncle Luke. The conversation is laced with classic banter, generational comparisons, and spirited takes on what it means to be a fan, a journalist, and a member of sports media in 2026.

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Key Discussion Points and Insights

1. South Florida Sports Hangover & The FSU Defeat

• The crew reflects on the city’s somber mood after the Hurricanes’ basketball loss to FSU and challenging week in Miami sports.
  • Dan Le Batard: “There's a feeling of, like, sickness of hangover all over the city.” (00:15)
• Mike Ryan’s emotional state sets the tone:
  • Dan Le Batard: “He goes, terrible. I want to die. Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to say to that.” (00:23)
• Fandom and emotional investment are explored, with Lucy sharing how journalism dulled her sports rooting:
  • Lucy: “I have had the fandom beaten out of me by journalism, by neutrality, impartiality.” (02:18)

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2. Darian Mensah Transfer Controversy & NIL Contracts

• The ongoing legal uncertainty over star QB Darian Mensah’s potential transfer from Duke to Miami prompts deeper analysis of the NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) era.
  • Stugotz: “Duke is suing to keep Mensah from coming here... because they've stability at that position and Darian Mensah is very good. But Manny Diaz and Duke are now preventing him from coming to Miami because he's got a contract.” (02:47)
• The complexities of NIL contracts and their implications are unpacked:
  • Zas: “The way that they write a lot of these contracts is you can't write a contract that says you are going to play X amount of games for the Duke Blue Devils next year...” (05:23)
  • Greg Cote: “Now there are employee agreements for non employees and contracts that people have to adhere to.” (04:41)
• The crew anticipates eventual stabilization:
  • Stugotz: “That's where we are along the path on all this NCAA stuff... where we're making up the rules, we're trying to figure out what the contracts look like.” (07:44)

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3. Nostalgia & Absurdities of Pre-Cell Phone Life

• Generational humor erupts as younger crew members grapple with the concept of a world before cell phones:
  • Zas: “So, like, when you didn't have cell phones, how would you talk to each other? Did you, like, write a letter?” (08:51)
  • Dave Den Herder: “I would just assume they were dead.” (09:17)
• The conversation covers physical maps, gas station directions, rotary phones, and radio requests, hilariously exposing tech-age gaps.
  • Zas: “Did you guys have to use, like, maps to get there? Like, physical ones?” (09:32)
  • Lucy: “With what, with a wall phone, a landline. It was a rotary.” (13:59)

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4. The Mike Ryan vs. Uncle Luke Beef (“Mr. Fat Mouth”)

• The highly publicized and playful feud between show member Mike Ryan and Miami hip-hop icon Uncle Luke is relived in detail.
  • Dan Le Batard: “Why doesn’t Uncle Luke go watch or listen to the Dan LeBatard show and see what fat mouth Mike Ryan…” (18:42)
  • Uncle Luke’s tweets escalate from mockery to direct threats:
    • “Mike Ryan you a piece of shit. You know nothing about football.” (20:01, paraphrasing)
  • Mike Ryan describes their real-life interactions, sensing joking until lines were crossed:
    • Mike Ryan: “...talking about how he's going to beat my ass in public when I was just laughing with you….” (21:56)
• Dan and Stugotz contextualize Uncle Luke’s long history of trolling, impactful civic presence, and the tradition of Miami sports “keeping receipts.”
  • Dan Le Batard: “He's a professional troll who once invited me to a party... my mother was legitimately afraid that he was going to throw me into the ocean to die.” (23:25)
• The suggestion of a charity boxing match between Mike Ryan and Uncle Luke serves as comic relief.
  • Lucy: “I'd like to propose a boxing match for charity between Uncle Luke and Mike.” (23:01)

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5. Coping as Miami Sports Fans & Special Teams Blame

• The group examines popularity and significance of the “what if” Twitter moment regarding a Miami punt return trick play that never happened.
  • Stugotz: “I want to ask you guys something here about the coping involved that the Miami Hurricane fans have been doing the last couple of days.” (31:32)
  • The play is discussed as both missed opportunity and evidence Indiana simply “did the small things better.”
    • Dan Le Batard: “I thought we all understood that game was decided by Indiana special teams.” (32:02)
    • Greg Cote: “The punter from the punter booming that punt to Miami, not being able to maintain their blocks, which was a running thread throughout special teams... that's the difference.” (33:07)

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6. Dolphins Coaching Carousel & Mike McDaniel’s Legacy

• Analysis pivots to NFL, specifically the fate of former Dolphins coach Mike McDaniel, his rumored interest from other franchises, and the unresolved debate over Tua vs. Justin Herbert.
  • Dan Le Batard: “It’s funny to see what’s happening in Miami where he’s in demand, at least in part because everybody understands… Oh had the number one passing offense in the league…” (35:55)
  • Greg Cote: “McDaniel with Herbert is going to make you realize how bad Tua is.” (37:11)
  • Lucy: “The thing about Mike McDaniel is when he was winning... everybody loved his quirky personality. Then TUA got worse. Then the losing started... He didn't change. The losing changed our perception of him. He's the same coach as he always was.” (41:56 - 42:13)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• Dan Le Batard: “He goes, terrible. I want to die. Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to say to that.” (00:23)
• Lucy: “I have had the fandom beaten out of me by journalism, by neutrality, impartiality.” (02:18)
• Stugotz: “Imagine trying to meet someone at a stadium when you don't have cell phones. If your friends are late, I would just assume they were dead.” (08:55 & 09:17)
• Zas: “Did you guys have to use, like, maps to get there? Like, physical ones?...That's dangerous.” (09:32-09:48)
• Greg Cote (Coping with cashless parking): “I'm like, you're taking this cash. This is how I'm paying for this. This has value anywhere I go in the world, and it's going to have value here.” (11:25)
• Dan Le Batard (on Uncle Luke): “He's a professional troll who once invited me to a party that I was going to go on a boat with him... my mother was legitimately afraid that he was going to throw me into the ocean to die.” (23:28)
• Lucy: “I'd like to propose a boxing match for charity between Uncle Luke and Mike.” (23:01)
• Greg Cote (on special teams): “That’s the difference. Like, they execute those two things. Honestly, credit to Malachi Tony for not forcing it because he did have Bryce Fitzgerald, I believe, on the other side.” (33:07)
• Dan Le Batard: “Has a chance to be especially painful for Dolphin fans, because you know, Dolphins took Tua instead of Justin Herbert, and now you got the coach who rightfully has been run out of town linking up potentially with Herbert with an opportunity to improve him even more.” (36:37)
• Lucy: “The losing changed our perception of him. He's the same coach as he always was.” (42:13)

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Timestamps for Key Segments

• 00:00 - 03:59: Miami sports hangover and emotional impact post-Hurricanes loss
• 04:00 - 07:14: NIL contracts, legal gray areas, and Mensah’s transfer tangle
• 07:15 - 14:14: Generational riffing on life before cell phones – meeting up, giving directions, requesting songs
• 17:33 - 28:32: Full breakdown of the Mike Ryan vs. Uncle Luke saga – tweets, beef origins, and on-air reactions
• 31:32 - 34:33: Hurricanes coping with missed special teams opportunities and fair critique of Mario Cristobal
• 35:55 - 43:58: Miami Dolphins coaching carousel, McDaniel’s reputation, and perennial Tua vs. Herbert debate

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Tone and Style

• Conversational, irreverent, and nostalgic with classic Le Batard Show energy
• Regularly blends earnest sports breakdowns with playful, even absurd tangents
• Open self-deprecation and constant reminders of the show's South Florida and generational roots

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This episode is a must-listen for fans fascinated by the intersection of college sports chaos, South Florida nostalgia, and legendary Miami figures—plus, it offers priceless moments vouched for by the show’s unique chemistry and humor.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan, I'm a little bit nervous today about. Well, you know, I get here and I go say hello to my friend Mike Ryan. And this is also coming off of a very. Like, he. He was in a bad place yesterday. Like, he said some dark stuff on.

[Stugotz]

This show yesterday, and off the air, a lot of people in Miami are still hurting. There's a feeling of, like, sickness of hangover all over the city.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. And I said hello to him this morning. You know, I was like, hey, how you? Just regular. How you doing? He goes, terrible. I want to die. Like, I don't know what I'm supposed to say to that.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, you're not supposed to say much of anything. Is that because Duke is suing to keep Mensa from coming here? Is it because he's fighting. From fighting with Uncle Luke? Is it just because they lost and he still hasn't gotten over it? He's here. I suppose I can ask.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, maybe it was because FSU beat the Hurricanes basketball last night.

[Stugotz]

That too.

[Greg Cote]

Well, I went to that game yesterday, and I thought I could power through, and I saw a couple, like, people in the Hurricanes lounge that I'm friends with, and we all looked at each other. This was a mistake. We're gonna go left at halftime. I didn't have the heart to just watch green and orange running up and down a court. They had, like, ESPN on in the Hurricanes Lounge. So every 30 seconds, you just see Mendoza and Confederate.

[Stugotz]

Well, the thing I wanted to ask you guys, actually, is if you've been able to avoid the televisions enough, because I just saw it this morning to avoid seeing again and again the Mendoza play. The one. The one Mendoza play of him running up the midd and scoring the touchdown keeps playing. I feel like some of my channels are only airing that, nothing else.

[Dave Den Herder]

Yeah, it's glorious, isn't it? Hey, by the way, can. I don't know why everybody's so down in the dumps. It's another sunny day here in football America as we go into this show. A request, in fact, a demand from here on out, call me national champion Dave Danvershev.

[Dan Le Batard]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

I mean, that's aggressive. I don't. You just came in. You just bossed everyone around. Now Indiana is going to be the right.

[Lucy]

He's got the right. His team won.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you do. Well, I should say. I was going to say, do you miss it? But have you ever felt that way or what? Like, when is the last time you felt that way? That you were hungover with sadness because your team Lost.

[Lucy]

Wow. For me, I have had the fandom beaten out of me by journalism, by neutrality, impartiality. I think the last time I ever shed tears or came close at a sporting event was when my 1967 Red Sox lost in the World Series to the St. Louis Cardinals.

[Stugotz]

Not when you almost died at Battle Court?

[Lucy]

No, no. I was passed out, you know, so I couldn't. I had no emotions. I was dead on the ground.

[Stugotz]

In order for the University of Miami to keep the momentum going and stack successes on top of each other as they have for the last four years, they have to get a quarterback because the last two years they've stability at that position. And Darion Mensah is very good. But Manny Diaz and Duke are now preventing him from coming to Miami because he's got a contract and Barry Jackson has tweeted. There remains optimism that Darian Mensah will join the Keynes, but it's going to take longer than hoped and nothing can be assumed in our judicial system. Duke decided it wants to make it difficult for Mensa and Miami. The lawsuit portion and litigation portion of there are no rules and we're trying to figure it out as we go along and different people have different interpretations of the rules. Make it so that Duke doesn't want to be a feeder system anymore for everybody. They don't want to just exist anymore as ACC champions is something that can lose its quarterback to Miami.

[Zas]

Duke is a school that has invested a lot more than people think into their football team. Specifically, Mensah was the highest paid quarterback in last year's transfer portal cycle. Like Duke, people don't realize is taking nil for football very seriously.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, they're, they're heavy into the rev share. So yeah, they, you just have to look up how they got Darian Mensah and they absolutely set the market with that. And the reason why quarterbacks are getting offers of like six and a half million dollars reportedly is because Darian Mensah doubled whatever the highest paid quarterback was the previous season.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have no problem pointing out my hypocrisy when it comes to stuff like this. Like, I hope it works out for the Canes because it's the Canes and I want a good thing for the Canes to happen. But there is a part of me where it's like I don't like the players signing contracts with team or schools and then just being able to say effort. I'm going somewhere else. Like, like that part of college sports. I would like to be reigned in sometime soon.

[Greg Cote]

Now There are employee agreements for non employees and contracts that people have to adhere to. But the fundamental principle, because this is a lot like the Xavier Lucas thing, is like, okay, so you're saying he's an employee, you're paying him to play. And the NCAA is always like, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, whoa, don't slow up on that. And that's always how these players always drag the NCAA in these things.

[Dan Le Batard]

But why? Why does that matter? Like, you'll have to excuse my.

[Greg Cote]

Because. Because once you open that Pandora's box, it stops being what the NCAA likes to pretend that it is.

[Stugotz]

I mean, labor laws, unions, all that, they don't want to come with employees.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, they don't want to open the door to that.

[Dan Le Batard]

But should it just a contract be a contract? Whether it's pay for play or name, image and likeness.

[Zas]

So like, the way that they write a lot of these contracts is you can't write a contract that says you are going to play X amount of game for the Duke Blue Devils next year. They write the contract specifically, you have a contract to do X nil appearances in Durham County, North Carolina. So you have to go to this. Like, a lot of it is like signings. A lot of it is like volunteer work that they're really getting paid, you know, a ton of money for. But it's not written as pay to play. So Duke, the contract they'd signed, like, kind of claims ownership over his name, image and likeness, saying you can't, you know, use your name, image and likeness with another school, which clearly Miami would be doing that if he goes and plays school there. It's a weird. There's a lot of like workaround with it. A lot of these schools will like outsource their nil contracts. There are like these entire companies now that are just simply nil organizations that help write these contracts and like facilitate these deals. But it'll never expressly say you have to play X amount of games to be the quarterback next year. You have to take this many snaps. But they find a workaround of that.

[Lucy]

I love that the subtext of all this is Mario Crispball against the former coach Manny Diaz. But I can't see that this stands up in court. I know the courts ultimately decide. This is the age of player freedom and player movement. I cannot believe the court is going to rule the that a player has to stay at this school because he signed some contract that was mostly about making appearances in Durham. Let him still make the appearances in Durham. Just do it in a cane uniform. Hey, how that Goes over.

[Dave Den Herder]

This is all great, this sober conversation of legalities. How about we talk about national championships? Indiana Hoosiers are that. And they have their quarterback for next year, which is great news. But how about. Can we get back to. I know you guys are trying to turn the page, but as far as that goes, can we get back to Mike Ryan trying to go to the Canes basketball game yesterday and then having to leave like a scorned lover? I'm trying to move on. I want to find somebody else. I'm not ready yet. My heart isn't open just yet.

[Stugotz]

He had to leave the game at halftime.

[Dave Den Herder]

Minor penalty.

[Stugotz]

Two minutes for verbal diarrhea.

[Dave Den Herder]

Wow. Bad call. Verbal diarrhea. I was making fun of. How about that?

[Greg Cote]

Thank you for rescuing me. I was getting Alpha'd.

[Stugotz]

He's kicked my ass. I don't know what to do with the level of pomposity coming out of Indiana about sports. I'm confused by it. I'm disoriented. I want to get back to the legality of what it is that Greg is talking about, though, because we've talked about this before. At the very advent of cell phones, we didn't have enough towers and stuff so that the cell phone communication was actually good. But people began relying on it so much that during a time where cell phones weren't yet, people were demanding it so much that a lot of people had poorly working cell phones. That's where we are along the path on all this NCAA stuff, where we're making up the rules, we're trying to figure out what the contracts look like. We're taking it to the judicial system so that the system can be put in place, so that 10 years from now, it's not something that has this in it. You cannot have Duke suing. It's the quarterback who's under contract to prevent him from leaving. Ten years from now, they're going to get this all sorted out, but now is the time that they have to set all the pre. Because they don't. They keep getting presented with stuff they haven't seen before.

[Zas]

So, like, when you didn't have cell phones, how would you talk to each other? Did you, like, write a letter?

[Stugotz]

Imagine. Imagine, Lucy, imagine trying to meet someone at a stadium when you don't have cell phones. If you're meeting friends at a stadium, how do you date?

[Dave Den Herder]

Numbers used to be a big thing.

[Stugotz]

Someone's late. But imagine someone's late, can't get there for a half hour. Like, how are you doing any of that stuff? Meeting Your friends at a stadium without a cell phone. What? That's right.

[Dave Den Herder]

I would just assume they were dead.

[Zas]

Excuse me.

[Lucy]

You stand up in a row and go like this and. And hope that they see you five, five sections over.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, someone's stuck in traffic on their way to meet you, and you have no idea how long it's going to take until they get to you or if they're gonna get to you at all.

[Zas]

So did you guys have to use, like, maps to get there? Like, physical ones?

[Stugotz]

Yes.

[Zas]

I didn't even know they made those.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know about that? Printing out Google Maps?

[Stugotz]

I mean, before that, you just use regular in your glove compartment maps.

[Dan Le Batard]

Know about that map question now?

[Stugotz]

I'. The. The.

[Zas]

That's dangerous.

[Lucy]

It is a.

[Zas]

Back in my day, because the maps are so big. How would you. Like, how are you able to tell where. Like, how can you spot where you are?

[Greg Cote]

If you were in running into any sort of trouble, you'd pull into a gas station.

[Lucy]

Yeah.

[Greg Cote]

And they would tell you where you could go and explain a map.

[Mike Ryan]

We should do a bit where we.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just go to a gas station and ask no phone directions.

[Mike Ryan]

You have to.

[Greg Cote]

You have to find your way to Eugene, Oregon.

[Stugotz]

You think that in Miami you're gonna find someone who speaks English in one of those gas stations to give you direct.

[Dave Den Herder]

I couldn't get home right now without my cell phone.

[Zas]

The Verizon hours was like, one of the five worst days of my life. Like, we're like, truly. I had no idea what was going on because thank God I live in New York, because I'm like, okay, it's a grid. I can figure this out. But if I had been anywhere else.

[Stugotz]

I would so bleep. We are so bleeped. If for some reason our technology in this country doesn't work for 10 days, if everything shuts down. I told you. I was in a coffee shop the other day, and their credit card system went down. And I just saw 11 employees standing by the bagels just unable to do anything. As if they'd paralyzed.

[Dave Den Herder]

Right.

[Lucy]

Cash only.

[Dave Den Herder]

What? Who cares?

[Stugotz]

Oh, I got it. Wait a minute.

[Dave Den Herder]

Hey. You could ask Fernando Mendoza. As he proved on 4th and 5, he always knows how to find the way home.

[Stugotz]

It's true. Minor penalty. Two minutes, sport.

[Dave Den Herder]

Came out of your mouth. Wow.

[Stugotz]

What the hell? Injustice.

[Greg Cote]

That's a really good line.

[Stugotz]

I had a cash incident the other day with Sedano. I don't know if he's around at all. I wanted to get his appraisal of because I asked him to Save it for the show. Because he was standing right next to me. Okay? I come out of a place where I'm paying $16 for parking. Now, first of all, the normalization of people overcharging for parking is something that I'm not generally good with, but we've gotten used to. I have a $20 bill that I'm going to give the valet to go get my car and pay for the parking. And the guy says, I'm sorry, sir, we do not take cash. And I'm like, you're taking this cash. This is. This is cash you're going to take. This is how I'm paying for this. This is. This has value anywhere I go in the world, and it's going to have value here.

[Dan Le Batard]

The thing you want represents what I'm. This thing I'm giving you. Yeah, but that's a company not trusting their employees.

[Dave Den Herder]

So you're hurting this employee.

[Stugotz]

That's fine. So he brings his manager over, and his manager says, sir, sorry, we're not taking cash. And I'm like, you're either taking this cash or you're just giving me that money. You're e. Either. And no. And it worked. But. But I'd like Sedano's opinion, because I don't know whether Sedano thought I was being an asshole or not, but I reached my breaking point on this cash stuff, where cash isn't good enough. But you got a tip jar. You got a tip jar where you take my cash, but you will not take my cash otherwise. And it's like, no, I'm not. I'm not doing that. You will take the $20. You'll get a $4 tip for going to get my car. You shouldn't be charging me for any of this. Like, the. The idea that it's normal now to charge me $16 to put my car somewhere just so that you could grift off me, I'm not okay with. And I just lost my patience in a carport. I wasn't impolite about it, but I'm like, this is the only way you're going to get this paid for. There's not another way this transaction is going to.

[Lucy]

Okay, so let me get this clear. That was not your tone of voice.

[Stugotz]

No, it was gentle. It was gentle. I thought it was gentle. But I'd be curious what Sedano thought.

[Dave Den Herder]

I'm reaching out to.

[Stugotz]

Because I asked him. I asked him to save whatever his opinions are on this and inform us on this, But Mike is presently feuding with Uncle Luke I saw this. I don't, I don't know the backstory here. You texted me that Mike had a problem with Uncle Luke. For those of you who do not know, cuz it was a long time ago. Uncle Luke is the godfather of hip hop in Miami. 2 Live crew took his lyrics to the Supreme Court.

[Zas]

How in relation to cell phones is this like one of the timeline before.

[Stugotz]

Cell, 20 years before cell phones.

[Zas]

I don't even know. How did you listen to the music?

[Stugotz]

It's a great point by you.

[Lucy]

You called up a radio station and requested a song.

[Dan Le Batard]

We had these things.

[Zas]

No, but how would you call the radio station?

[Lucy]

With what, With a, with a, with a wall phone, A landline. It was a rotary.

[Zas]

How would you know the number though?

[Lucy]

You know they said it on the radio.

[Zas]

Oh my goodness.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are we at a place Dan, where we would hand Lucy a rotary phone and she wouldn't know how to use it?

[Lucy]

Probably not.

[Zas]

I have a purse that's shaped like one so I'd be able to figure it out.

[Greg Cote]

She was thrift shopping a lot.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Greg Cote]

Haha.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

5 minutes I was watching everyone just like, nope, not letting you in. Not letting you in. So when I got up there, I had to say something and I said it. Cheaters never prosper. Stugats My buddy was saying, not today.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, but you're not today.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think that was what he was adding. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

I'm telling you, the response I.

[Dan Le Batard]

Got from this guy, what I said was amazing.

[Dave Den Herder]

He got him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Cheaters never prosper. This guy yelled as angry as he could.

[Stugotz]

I ain't Cheating.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Stugotz]

What is the backstory? Can you give us the backstory? That's unbiased, Zaslow. Before we get into Mike's thoughts on this.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, so I. I saw Uncle Luke posted something. The first tweet I think Uncle Luke put out was something to the effect of where's. Where's that Kiss Ass Mike Ryan? You know, what's he saying today? You know, the morning after the Canes lose. Yeah, where is Kiss ass Mike Ryan today From hashtag Dan LeBatard show. You think that's a commonly used hashtag? Just hashtag Dan Lebardon. I don't think he really knows.

[Dave Den Herder]

He did hashtag Mike Ryan. Really?

[Dan Le Batard]

Oh, yeah, I'll bet there's a lot of hashtag Mike Ryan. I really want to know what he has to say, Mr. Fatmouth. And by the way, that's a weird tweet because Mike Ryan is featured on a huge show for three hours every day and he clearly knows what the Dan LeBatard show is, cuz you know, he hashtag it. Why doesn't Uncle Luke go watch or listen to the Dan LeBatard show and see what fat mouth Mike Ryan.

[Stugotz]

Can I see the rest of that tweet, please? Can I see the rest of that back and forth after Mr. Fat Mouth Mouth? Because Mike Ryan says, depressed, knowing we could have been champs if only we listened to your ass. Ray Ray Joseph takes. And now he's pissed Luke off.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, yeah, because for years Uncle Luke was always, you know, why don't Ray Ray Joseph play this that blah, blah, blah.

[Stugotz]

And so Luke comes back with Mike Ryan. You a piece of shit. You know nothing about football. Jojo and Ray Ray never got an opportunity. You replaced them with 0 and 7. You watched them last night and all you got their ass beat by two kids from Miami. Coach Beard, who you bleep ride for. And then, and then you say Mike. And I don't know what this is responding to because there was more to that tweet, but it's not on the page. Dude, you're 65. Sick burn. Is he indeed 65? Is Luther Campbell 65? I mean, is he 65?

[Greg Cote]

I was ballparkin.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well. And here's the thing that I think Mike Ryan probably doesn't like. Also Uncle Luke, at least to me. Like, Uncle Luke loves when the canes lose. He loves when the canes lose. Because it seems that that unless every coach on the team are Uncle Luke's hand pick coaches, that he Approves of and every player on the team. And it's a lot of Miami kids who, of course, Uncle Luke does a lot of work with here. You know, high school football.

[Stugotz]

He's gotten a lot of people right to the NFL.

[Dan Le Batard]

But unless all of them are playing the exact amount of time that Uncle Luke thinks appropriate, Uncle Luke would rather be right than the Canes win. And so the Canes lose because they're not doing everything that Uncle Luke suggests. And I feel like.

[Stugotz]

Like that.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, that's annoying, probably to Kane's fans.

[Greg Cote]

I think he proved it, which is after the Canes lose, he's like, where's Mike Ryan at?

[Dan Le Batard]

Big I told you so guy.

[Greg Cote]

Yeah, big I told you so. Like, here's how this has gone. Like, I've seen Luke out a couple of times. I, until very recently, considered myself friends with Uncle Luke. I've known Luke for 20 years. We worked together, all that stuff. And whenever I've seen Luke out, which is rare because I grew up with him being identified with university in Miami, but he. He's opposition at this point. He's not doing a lot in terms of, you know, being supportive of the program.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're not doing everything his way. He loves when they lose.

[Greg Cote]

So I saw him at a game, and he was around. I'm like, great to see you around. Like, we're still going with the Ray Ray Joseph stuff. Come on, let's be supportive. So I saw him on Sunday at an Adidas event. I saw him. He was like, in the back. And as I was saying goodbye to my friends, I'm like, hold up. I got a second. Step up to Luke, because he's happy that we're obviously here. So I go to Luke. We're shaking hands, we're hugging, we're laughing. I'm like, you happy that you're here? You must be like, are we still complaining about Ray Ray Joseph? Ray Ray just entered the portal. And he's laughing. He's like, mike, Mike, Mike. So I think that we have, like, a good, jocular relationship. And I saw that tweet, and I assumed it was more jocularity and us having fun. And then dude just crossed the line, talking about how he's going to beat my ass in public when I was just laughing with you when you had to. Every opportunity to say shit. When I actually checked you on your shit.

[Dave Den Herder]

And.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, in one of the tweets there, he said that you didn't check him, that he was gonna smack you. Yeah, but he looked around and there were people around, and he didn't wanna. You know, he didn't wanna, in his words, come off as angry black man.

[Dave Den Herder]

I just think it's a real shame that the aftermath of all this is this cane on cane violence, this trail of blood. Fernando and I are men of peace. We just wanna bring a little sunshine to the world. This is heartbreaking.

[Greg Cote]

I'm genuinely confused by it. I know he's basically an Internet troll now, and he's doing a thing, and I've known him for long enough to know when he's doing a thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

But what's confusing, he said he would smack you, Right?

[Greg Cote]

Although I was the one that checked him. And I'm also the kind of guy that reached out to him directly. And I'm still waiting to hear back. Like, we can do this again, and we can be jocular about it again, you big phony goof.

[Lucy]

I'd like to propose a boxing match for charity between Uncle. Uncle Luke and Mike.

[Stugotz]

That's. That's not cliche at all. We'll play the sound in a second here. It's a great inventive idea. No one's ever done it before, but.

[Lucy]

The question is, would it ever happen?

[Stugotz]

Okay, you want to. You want him to fight a 65.

[Lucy]

Box of charity, right? Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

That'll look good for Mike.

[Dave Den Herder]

Box for the, UM program.

[Lucy]

I think it would be.

[Dave Den Herder]

Money goes to, um.

[Lucy]

I think it would be an even fight.

[Stugotz]

All right. This has been going on for a number of years. I'm actually kind of proud that Mike gets to inherit some of this as a disciple. First of all, when Zaz says. Okay. When Zaz says, Uncle Luke supports the program only when the program does what he says. Uncle Luke famously said that he would go to the NCAA with all the violations against the University of Miami if they didn't start the black quarterback, Ryan Collins. Okay. That's where some of this started. And Uncle Luke also. I have never been more. I don't think I've ever been more shocked in public than listening to wqam when Uncle Luke is on and Uncle Luke is to Hank Goldberg. Yeah. Dan Lebatard called me the N word. And I'm like, that is not in any way true. He just. Just made that up. Like, he knows that's not true. And when I came on, I mean, I immediately called him, like, what are you doing? That's not in any way true. He starts laughing. So, yes, he's a professional troll, but he's a professional. He's a professional troll who once invited me to a party that I was going to go on a boat with him and an assortment of other people and. And my mother was legitimately afraid that he was going to throw me into the ocean to die. To drown to death, because she was afraid in general of all the things Uncle Luke related. But he's now 65 years old. He is indeed 65.

[Zas]

How did you call him that without a cell phone?

[Stugotz]

I did not call him that. He delights in. He delights in remembering that gratuitous trolling that was wildly unfair. I don't think there's anything he could have publicly about me that would have been more hurtful, untrue, or damaging work.

[Uncle Luke]

Kind of love him.

[Zas]

He's like awesome.

[Stugotz]

See if you love him after. See if you love him after this sound because this is all going to get back to him. He was supposed to be here last week. We sent a car for him. I don't know what the hell happened.

[Greg Cote]

Well, I saw one video where he was like, I didn't want to come in because I would have beat Mike Ryan's ass if I. If I came in. What was the excuse that he gave us?

[Stugotz]

He never had trouble, right? He never told me. He never told me why he was supposed to come in three different days last week and never showed up. And I. And never explained why, except one time saying, I wouldn't have been good to you because my voice is shot.

[Uncle Luke]

Let's listen to this from the Dan Lebata show. And I was supposed to appear on Dan Levichon show this week. And I didn't go because I know I probably did something I had no business doing to this dude Mike Ryan. Look, I said I've been a hurricane since you was a diapers the you talking about. And I'm looking around cause I really want to jack his ass up at the police. Okay, camera police. You got to look at your surroundings. And this mother comes up while I'm talking to this guy and start talking about the same. So I'm sitting there and I'm looking at Mike. This ain't the time and place for that, boss. I'm like this now if I.

[Mike Ryan]

Dummy.

[Uncle Luke]

His ass up, is gonna think I'm a. So I. So I. I, Luther Campbell, have to restrain myself in certain settings in certain situations because I know it can be perceived as angry black man. So the man said the, the big. The big executive was like, is that the Mike Ryan from the Dan Levitar show? I was like, yeah. He's like, why does he act like an asshole? Mike Ryan in My opinion is that he, in my opinion, he's the dummy on the Dan Levitar show. But I won't go on your show and then say that slick shit so I can make you look like a real goddamn. The dummy you are of the show.

[Stugotz]

Mike, why are you grinning maniacally while you're listening to this?

[Greg Cote]

Because he's doing like a troll thing. But I do think it crossed the line. And for the record, I. I'm not the one for that. Like, I reached out to him directly. Still haven't heard back. He's doing his little goofy thing. He's become a Twitter troll.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did that happen, what he said when he said, mike, this is not the time for that.

[Greg Cote]

No, he was being a goof. He was laughing and hugging me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Was he looking around because he was gonna smack you?

[Greg Cote]

No, he wasn't. In fact, I had him on skates because I'm one of the few people that, like, will talk to him in person and be like, why are you doing this to the program? Like, you're still talking about Lane Kiffin. You're still directing kids to fsu. You have an opportunity. You're all about taking credit for paying the players before it was legal. You have a legal avenue right now to actually help the program that you're supposed to rep. Instead, you're opposition. You're not helping at all. And I give him the guff over that stuff. I thought it was all love. I thought we were having fun. But I do think that he crossed the line and don't play with me like that.

[Lucy]

He's the self appointed general manager of Miami Hurricanes football. He's living in his own world. I think he's got a right to do everything he's doing and say everything he's saying. He's fun.

[Stugotz]

He's a. I'd be careful, though. But just be careful on this front. Suge Knight, Snoop Dogg, all those people, Ice Cube, they all had to ask permission before coming to Miami of Luke, because you might want to be careful what it is you say publicly. Stop.

[Dave Den Herder]

Stop.

[Greg Cote]

He's a 65 year old man. He plays a bunch of golf like he, He. He's all chummy. He's. He's doing a wrestling job.

[Stugotz]

I'm not talking about him. I'm talking about the people who defend and protect.

[Dave Den Herder]

That was true last week, but now, well, the president of Miami is Fernando Mendoza, right? He runs all business here, right?

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[Zas]

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[Uncle Luke]

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[Stugotz]

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[Zas]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Lucy]

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[Dave Den Herder]

Hey.

[Mike Ryan]

This is the D Ler show.

[Dan Le Batard]

With the st.

[Stugotz]

Well, I want to ask you guys something here about the coping involved that the Miami Hurricane fans have been doing the last couple of days. So I cannot tell you how many people yesterday sent me the tweet of Chris Felica saying and showing video of on the Malachi Toney punt that he downed at the five yard line which.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike Got mad at me for saying that he shouldn't have caught that ball.

[Stugotz]

The tweet, though, that is being sent. I was really surprised by the number of people who sent me this yesterday because it was clear that Miami was trying to set up something that you probably haven't seen a whole lot on punt returns. You may have seen it on kickoffs, but it's never tried on punt returns where you're on the right side with the football and you lateral it across the field and it's clearly open. And it presumes a lot that the pass will be accurate. There's a lot of presumption involved. But people are pointing to that play and saying that it means something that this was left on the field. And I understand it as a coping mechanism. But the thing that I wanted to ask you guys is, is I thought we all understood that Indiana did the small things better than Miami. And I thought we all understood that game was decided by Indiana special teams. They do that stuff better than Miami. And so it's not surprising that the punt was so good that they couldn't do anything on that play, because that's what they do well. And it's one of the places Mario Cristobal, I suppose, can be criticized. He's got more pros than Indians. Indiana is better at the small stuff.

[Greg Cote]

That I thought we all knew that their reputation was. They punish you for your mistakes. They're a great execution team. All that stuff played out on the field. The punter from the punter booming that punt to Miami, not being able to maintain their blocks, which was a running thread throughout special teams. And that's the difference. Like, they execute those two things. Honestly, credit to Malachi Tony for not forcing it because he did have Bryce Fitzgerald, I believe, on the other side. And. And I know it assumes accurate pass, but we've seen Malachi Tony be able to throw the ball. He was a high school quarterback.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wouldn't even had to have been accurate. There was no one near the guy, right?

[Stugotz]

Yeah. But the reason no one tries that is because you can't be having the ball on the ground back there when you're playing near that close to your own end zone in a game decided by the small thing.

[Greg Cote]

It's ballsy and it certainly would have done like, let's say that plays out in this alternate universe. Imagine what that does to Mario Cristobal's legacy like that. That call in that spot against Kirk.

[Dan Le Batard]

That'S like Sean Payton onside kicks to start the.

[Greg Cote]

And the thing is, like, he made the call, it was just blown up by the stuff that Indiana does.

[Dave Den Herder]

You guys know that when Malachi, Tony turned to throw, would have turned to throw the ball, that the Hoosiers players would have reacted to that and gone to the other guy. And that assumes that Malachi would have thrown a good ball over there. You know, they would have gone over there and gotten in his way. It's not as though they would have just been like, well, we got dude there he goes down the sideline.

[Stugotz]

Great play.

[Greg Cote]

I love that we have to write fan fiction for Mario to get the big one. Yeah, no, I get it and screw you. But he had space like it probably.

[Dave Den Herder]

Would have thrown a good ball. Fernando Mendoza and did would have been.

[Greg Cote]

Pretty cool if he was on the Hurricanes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Tell you what, that Alberto Mendoza couldn't get out of Indiana fast enough.

[Lucy]

That's the truth.

[Stugotz]

Come on, get near the microphone, Greg, as you often forget to do. I wanted to ask you about Mike McDaniel. The reports are that going to the Chargers Justin Herbert, unless the Raiders job becomes open to him or the Ravens job becomes open to him, he's obviously in demand. It is funny to see what's happening in Miami where he's in demand, at least in part because everybody understands. Oh had the number one passing offense in the league and Raheem Mostert had 18 touchdowns on an offense that had a quarterback that wasn't as good as the one that he would now have have in. In. In Los Angeles. If Justin Herbert stays healthy, which he has. And Justin Herbert will get to play differently than he's played the last few years because the amount that dude has been hit is insane. Like they are not the. I know a lot of people argue about Justin Herbert and say stop making excuses for Josh Allen and Justin Herbert. But I saw no quarterback in the sport playing as unpleasant a football position as Justin Herbert at quarterback. Because the Chargers couldn't block anybody this year once they got injured on the offensive line. And I've said before that offensive line didn't belong in the playoffs. Like that was an incompetent offensive line.

[Lucy]

No, that's fair. I think Mike McDaniel took the right job for him because you go where the quarterback is. You know, he was still a finalist for the Giants, I believe, and pulled out of that job because he thought.

[Stugotz]

Justin Herbert didn't want any part of the Browns job. Could have had the Browns job, doesn't want any part of that.

[Lucy]

He went where the quarterback is now. I personally think Justin Her Herbert is overrated at this point in his career. I don't think he's lived up, but he's a better quarterback than the other choices he had.

[Dan Le Batard]

Has a chance to be especially painful for Dolphin fans because you know, Dolphins took Tua instead of Justin Herbert and now you got the coach who rightfully has been run out of town linking up potentially with Herbert with an opportunity to improve him even more. Like it has a chance to be really painful for the Dolphin fans. Fan. If Herbert all of a sudden becomes a big time passer. I don't know how you look at Herbert and think he is like not great. I don't know what you're doing with Herbert there. Yeah, he had a bad offensive line.

[Stugotz]

This year, so he didn't have time.

[Lucy]

Chris, terrible offense.

[Greg Cote]

We have a pretty good idea because Justin Herbert seems to be like a sticking point with Dolphin fans. McDaniel with Herbert is going to make you realize how bad Tua is.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think so too.

[Greg Cote]

Like that's the reality is that McDaniel made two Tua and Justin Herbert's tools with the ability to create a run.

[Dan Le Batard]

Game out of NowHere, which is McDonald's that McDaniel has. When you can have that to free.

[Greg Cote]

Up everything that Herbert, he is going to be Spectacular with Mike McDaniel and it's going to end any of those debates you were having as Jeremy Fowler throws out there. Hey, the Dolphins are looking at Malik Willis.

[Lucy]

It's also fair to say at this point you look at the interest in Mike McDaniel, both the head coach interviews he's done and the offensive coordinator jobs that were opening for him. That makes it debatable to this day to say that the Dolphins were right not to give him one more season.

[Stugotz]

Which some of us were saying that.

[Dave Den Herder]

We'Re going to miss that offense.

[Lucy]

No, it's absolutely debatable. And Jeff Halfley right now and the new GM have to prove that it was the right decision.

[Dave Den Herder]

I know that Mike McDaniel and Dolphins fans don't want to hear this right now. He is idiosyncratic and doesn't cut the figure of the leader of men.

[Stugotz]

I like him. I don't like what Zaz is saying. Rightly ran him out of town. It's a 500 coach who produced offense.

[Dave Den Herder]

Fair. I, you know, I know I keep going back to this anytime I'm talking with you guys about the Mike McDaniel era in Miami. But man, that, that Monday night game against the Tennessee Titans.

[Dan Le Batard]

I hate that game.

[Dave Den Herder]

Stop bringing up if they survive that game, Mike McDaniel's job is not in question at this point. They hope host a playoff game. They host the Steelers in all likelihood, and in all likelihood, they win that game. And it's a very different discussion. But erase that. Forget about that alternate reality. For all the stuff about. See, he's not a serious guy for pro football. He did keep the Dolphins afloat. He was fired three months ago. And then the Dolphins. You kind of have to look at the standings. If you aren't in Miami, if you're elsewhere in football. America. America. Wait a minute. The Dolphins are kind of hanging around. They've kind of played themselves back into being relevant in the AFC playoff chase here, and you guys just canned him? I don't know if that's the greatest idea.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think he's a head coach. Like. Like it's very possible. And we've seen this before. There are. There are guys who are great coordinators, but they're not head coaches.

[Stugotz]

I hear.

[Dan Le Batard]

And there was no way for Mike McDaniel to be demoted.

[Stugotz]

He's never been a coordinator. I hear that all the time. Okay, okay. And I used to hear it about Belichick. And it bothers me that we make that assessment only with the results. The last eight coaches the Dolphins have hired don't have any head coaching experience. And you may think Halfling is a head coach, but I don't know. I don't know. He comes from Worcester Polytech Institute as his starting point. If you guys think he's a head coach, you know more than I do because I don't know. You got Diana telling me. Well, he presents well in the interview. That has nothing to do. To do. Nothing to do with being a good head coach.

[Zas]

You're forgetting he's a sweetie pie.

[Dave Den Herder]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I did forget that.

[Lucy]

Yeah. Well, I. I would ask, to ask directly, did Mike McDaniel seem like a head coach to you when he went to the playoffs, hit both of his first two seasons?

[Greg Cote]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. When he led the league in passing, had the number one passing offense in the league.

[Dave Den Herder]

Well, Dan, what you're talking about is how he presents in the interview. And something adjacent to that is the dim cynicism expressed in every coaching cycle, and especially this one. Right.

[Stugotz]

Look at.

[Dave Den Herder]

Look at social media and otherwise this last week or so, every fan base, the guy who was just fired or is up for a job elsewhere, they're saying they want to interview our coordinator. Haven't they watched our games? It's that sort of empty sort of reaction. Everybody who is close to their team thinks that their coordinator, their head coach, is the issue and needs to go. That should not be a reflection on how good they are or not.

[Dan Le Batard]

I would just add to Greg's question that he posed me. Yes, I thought after the first two years, this is a really good head coach, Mike McDaniel. But then we get a larger sample size and, like, my opinion can change. Like, I've seen more. I've actually seen double the amount of time now from four. From two years to four years. And I don't believe that to be the case. I think he's a great offensive guy.

[Stugotz]

But he's a.500 coach. He. He won half of his games when he was 9 and 2, you thought he was a head coach. When they had offense, you thought he was a head coach coach. And he was.500 as a head coach in four years with someone now deemed to not be a good quarterback like that. I just. I hate when we do this. We just do it so often. And my starting point is Belichick. I was told when Belichick was hired, not going to work, going to be a defensive coordinator doesn't present well and didn't.

[Lucy]

Well, the thing about Mike McDaniel is when he was winning, when he was making the playoffs, everybody loved his quirky personality. Oh, he was funny. The media was. He was regaling the media. We were all laughing. And then TUA got worse. And then the losing started.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, not as funny.

[Lucy]

And then Mike McDaniel, we're making ums and ahs, and he's like, he's terrible. He doesn't even know how to speak. He didn't change. Okay. The losing changed our perception of him. He's the same coach as he always was.

[Stugotz]

Awfully coveted.

[Lucy]

Awfully coveted. Surprisingly, I don't think it's surprising.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was surprised.

[Stugotz]

I don't think there's anything surprising about that. Raheem Mostert had 18 touchdowns and then was out of the league. Like, what are you guys watching that you think it's surprising that every team in the league is interested in Mike McDaniel? Can he. Can he sprinkle something over here that Shanahan, that if I don't have an offensive line, it doesn't matter. I'm going to get 18 touchdowns from Raheem Moster.

[Lucy]

All, I mean, is that every coach who's fired in the NFL isn't automatically sought after. And he's been highly sought after, both for head coach and coordinator position. You know, nobody's forgetting about Mike McDaniel. The league. We hear the league saying, you know what? The Dolphins got rid of a pretty good guy. Let's look into him.

[Stugotz]

Brian Flores, head coaching material to you. Just curious. I don't know how much is his record.

[Dan Le Batard]

Leader of men.

[Stugotz]

Okay. Is that, that's so that's what we're doing.

[Uncle Luke]

Okay.

[Greg Cote]

The biggest thing he's got to run into is like wait, is he going to sue me?

[Stugotz]

So guy who is is caveman football coach. Caveman masculine or Mike McCarthy or a.

[Dave Den Herder]

Great offensive like or a great run.

[Stugotz]

Game coordinator like Mike McDaniel?

[Lucy]

I, I, you want the Dan Campbell or the Mike Vravel as the stereotype? Macho man or the nerd.

[Dan Le Batard]

That is just a genius. Brian Flores would have worked here if he got along with people like that is kind of a quality that head coach needs to have.

[Dave Den Herder]

Yeah. And I don't know that that's been resolved, by the way. To answer your question, Dan, Brian Flores, there's been some smoke in other NFL stops as well. That's what Mike prevent him from getting say that.

[Stugotz]

And one of the funny things that I learned when we were at Dolphin camp is that he had installed, you said smoke on his office. The glass on his office. He had installed just something that made it not visible because it was smoky. But he would just press. People outside would be coming to see him and he would just press it and it's his office would just go smoky.

[Dave Den Herder]

I need that on planes for the people sitting next to me.

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