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Chris I don't think that a lot of places in America or the world right now have exactly as wonderful weather as we have right now.
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I thought you were going to say breakfast.
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The breakfast was pretty good today. I saw some upgrades over the donut.
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With some croquetas today.
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Finally, croquetas in a sandwich with a little pepita oh, my God.
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He's starting to learn about it.
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I just want to.
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He's starting to learn about papita Tony. He's always known about papitas, but. So the weather here is beautiful, but I don't know if you guys felt this in the room. An arctic chill blew through the room after I heard the sentence uttered the year I became a golden cane. Did you guys all notice that? Like, when Mike said that, I saw everyone in the room drift away. Mike is immersed in this Lane Kiffin. He's delighting in watching Lane Kiffin and the rare scenario where a school like LSU buys out Ed Orgeron and then winks at him and says, want to come back as an assistant with Lane Kiffin? I haven't seen a coach bought out in scandal. And a few years later, things go so poorly with Brian Kelly. It's like, open arms, Ed. Oh, come back, coach.
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So if you're following the news, there is growing momentum that LSU is trying to hijack this Lane Kiffin to Florida thing. Florida had felt good for weeks on end. It's real. Happen to know LSU is trying to hide. He happens to know.
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Great Scott.
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He happens to know he happens to.
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Know Gather everyone, get the children.
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He happens to know so wise. And one of the parts of the story that I think CBS reported on is if LSU does indeed hire Lane Kiffin, could Ed Orgeron join Lane Kiffin's staff? And there appears to be real juice to that report.
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We will get into that and all things college football.
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Dan, when you felt the arctic blast of Mike saying that he was a golden cane, it was in context of something that I had mentioned to him that he was talking about. And I was at the game a few weeks ago with the Syracuse game, and I was sitting up in the club, and I was walking through the back alleys of the club, and all of a sudden I see Coacho passing by and I'm like, hey, coach, good to see you. And he told me something very important. There's only a couple of times where I've gotten this in my life from a very important person. He said, good to see a big guy. Gave me a big guy. And I was like, how's that helpful to the story? What do you mean? That's the whole story. He. He gave me a big guy. It's a couple funny Ed Ordron stories. I've been to a couple dinners with Ed. I've. I've talked to him at length. I've. He sat in my seats before for me, for the big Guy. Okay, my bad. Hands up.
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He really. Tommy.
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No, no, no.
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He really. Tommy tapped you on you. You think you're the big guy.
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You got a big guy. You would think that I have this really good relationship with Ed Orgeron. Doesn't know who I am. I've spent a lot of time with Ed Orgeron. I was at practice in the fall during fall camp. Edwardson came up to me. I thought like, all right, the time is finally here. He's finally recognized me. And he's like, man, you raised a good one. I'm like, juliet, she's not out here. Like. And then he came back five minutes later, and he's like, apologies, I confused you with somebody else. But whoever that was, he raised a good one.
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I'm embarrassed. I'm legitimately embarrassed at the number of photographs I've sent Mike Ryan of a shirtless Ed Orgeron jogging past me on South Beach. Like, it's looks good.
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What a dream.
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It's too hot to be running out there. Like, he's been running out there since I've known him as a graduate assistant at the University of Miami.
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You have him as a normal guy, Dan. Like, just, you know, what with sense. It's too hot. You notice what happened? Yeah. Of Tommy Top, everybody I know.
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Yeah.
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Seeing shirtless at Ogeron. Come on.
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This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.
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Tony, do me a favor, please. In the happen to know file, Chris Cody exclaims from medieval times. Great Scott. And I don't know why It's Great Scott. And I want to know why it is Great Scott. If you can find that for me.
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He happens to know. Great Scott.
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Happens to know. He happens to know.
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Mike has embedded himself in the Lane Kiffin drama and fun. It is great fun to see someone who does not care throw the entire business into upheaval as schools in the SEC try to say, no, we're more important than that school. We should be the ones who get you. How much money do we have to give you even though you've been disgraced a couple of different times? Everything's all polished up now. We're. We need offense. But before we get to the topics of the day. And Ariel Helwani will be in with us in studio in a little bit. I had not seen a segment that was just on get up before. Maybe they've been doing it for weeks or months, but that Boy bad is something they do with some highlights. And it's led by Harry Douglas, who appears to have grown into his role At ESPN with the reps, because Harry Douglas was very animated. But at the end of whatever point he was making, because the sound is down, they had everybody in the room do a synchronized, choreographed hip thrust. And it was done much better by Bart Scott and Harry Douglas than it was by Orlovsky, Greeny and Peter Schrager, who their heart wasn't in it, Their pelvis wasn't in it, Their groin wasn't in it. They feel a little intimidated, I feel like, by what it is that Harry Douglas and Bart Scott were doing with their bodies, even though those bodies have been hit more than the bodies of Greenie and Schrager. And even Dan Arlopski who ran out of the end zone one time and got a safety to avoid sudden contact.
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Dan, it's all about confidence. That's what I keep telling Jeremy. Like you can do anything as long.
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As you have the confidence to do that.
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Throw a hip up there.
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Wow.
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All of a sudden it's like, oh.
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You say this, he knows something.
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I love that. Tony gives two time Emmy winner Jeremy advice on how to present himself.
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Thank you.
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But. But he is right in this respect when he says it's all about confidence. I've told you guys this story before. It was in the Falcons locker room and they were playing the Dolphins and Deion Sanders was wearing a mustard colored suit. And I said fairly obviously, I couldn't wear that. And he's like, yes, you could. It's all about confidence. And I'm like, I couldn't wear that. I don't. I don't have the confidence that you do. Tony projects confidence at all times. Harry Douglas gives off some. Some confidence. Can we play the sound? The only sound from the file that we have here marked Harry Douglas.
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You don't know anything about what you're talking about. Say to me that we're trying to upsell the Falcons to you. Sorry, you're not a Falcon fan. You haven't been. And if you have been, you don't know what you're looking at. Stop being a homer, bro. Get out of my homer. Don't you ever call me a homer. Who the hell do you think has been saying The Truth since 1973 on Atlanta radio? Who?
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The shaking of the prescription pills is so good. It'll be eternal. It'll be timeless. I want an explanation from the group on something because I've restrained. Okay. Since you asked, I'd like it from Mike. I guess the MLS playoffs are ridiculous. Okay. I don't blame anyone who criticizes the fact that it has been six weeks and Inter Miami is playing three games.
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That's right, three.
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It's been. The first round of the playoffs took three weeks and then they just took a whole bunch of time off because I know they're scheduling conflicts and stuff but. So you cannot do the playoffs this way where it takes six weeks to play three games.
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I hear you. This is well, playoffs in European competition there's a Champions League which is a playoff format. But it's not uncommon for long breaks here. What's weird is you have a best at three in the first round and then we're just off to the races and single elimination. However, you're not off to the races because in the middle of that there's like a two week international break. So I understand why it's ridiculous. But don't worry. Deep in the meat of that NFL Sunday window, you get to watch Inter Miami play the biggest game in club history.
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And it's a one off, right? It's. It's an elimination game. We've covered for everybody that the first round is three game but everything after that is the randomness of one game. Samples. Zagak, did you get Great Scott there? Tony, did you find for me the Great Scott?
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The interjection Great Scott most likely originated from the general Civil War era general named General Winfield Scott. He was an imposing figure, stood 6 foot 5 and at that time that's basically like Wemby size, right? Like everybody's very small back in the day. So six foot five and they would name him Great Scott but also made famous by a good doctor, Dr. Doc Brown. Just saw his photo.
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He looks like if Ed Orgeron was.
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90 and a civil War general.
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All right, put it on the poll. Back in Civil War days was the 65 general basically WEMBY huge.
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That general was only 33 at the time of that photo. I agree. He looks 90 hard living.
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He's like former Kansas State coach Bill Snyder. Holy Ghost.
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That's a Great Scott.
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War will do that to you.
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Civil War. Yeah, war as hell. Brothers against brothers.
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Dan, I wanted to get to a couple of the things going on locally here before Ariel Hawani joins us because Miami is playing Virginia Tech. Virginia Tech now has James Franklin as its coach. Virginia Tech has been really bad this year. I don't think that's a good job. I really don't. I think that that was a good job. Now, now I'm speaking a bit ignorantly because I don't know their nil situation at this point. Basically got nil Money that becomes a good job.
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They do have money. They do. They've been preparing for this moment. They understand that they were behind there. This is a really big, aggressive hire for them. I happen to know that if you don't have to.
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Oh, my God.
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He knows.
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He happens to know. You walked into that one.
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Come, everyone come and listen.
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I did.
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He's always got it right.
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He happens to know.
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Well informed. Had the FSU job become available, that would have been James Franklin's brain priority. But FSU doesn't have any money right now and they're desperately hoping this season doesn't totally fall off the rails. We'll see what happens tonight in Raleigh for Florida State. He wanted that Florida State job. Virginia Tech was on this, on the radar. A lot of Keynes fans in the group chat and people that are well informed. That's a big question that you have. Like Virginia Tech. Blacksburg is in the middle of nowhere, yet the program has some prestige. But how appealing is this job? But they have a lot of money. They're taking this super seriously. And I think they, they hired a great coach. James Franklin does know how to recruit, does know how to program build. He's very familiar with that DMV area when it comes to recruiting. He knows the prospects already can hit the ground running. I think that is a big time hire for Virginia Tech. About as good as they can do.
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I actually need to pull back a little bit on what I said because my information is dated. I cannot say something is or isn't a good job based the way that I've always done my measurements there. Because I need to know how much money schools have to spend on players to know whether something is a good job or not. But the idea that I've lived long enough to watch Virginia Tech be a better job than FSU is asinine.
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Like, I don't, I don't, I don't.
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Know if Virginia Tech has money and if Virginia Tech can get James Franklin, but Florida State cannot. Florida State is as po dunk a region as Virginia Tech. But when you're in the state of Florida and can recruit Florida, that's one of the measurements I've always used to say, is that a good school? Do players want to go play at that school? I can't see going all around the country and being able to get players to come to Virginia Tech in its present incarnation. But my information is dated because if you've got money, you can get players to play anywhere.
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Yeah, Florida State is just. They had money, but they just Spent it poorly buying out a bunch of coaches and it just hasn't worked out. Now, I've been to Tallahassee, one of the worst places on the planet, but they have a dedicated airport and they're a state capital like Blacksburg is tough. It's a tough sell. What you're selling there is game day experience, which I've been told is awe inspiring. That stadium's incredible. That game day experience is incredible. That's all they really have in that area. But this is a team in Virginia Tech that has lost a lot of talent to the portal. The new age of college football came and they, they're such a. Their identity was Frank Beamer and they were kind of sent in their ways and they didn't see this coming and they weren't ready for all the talent that they did have and develop to just be leaving them. James Franklin's not going to let that happen. James Franklin will be the guy that poaches guys and I think it elevates the ACC conference that needs a little bit more juice to it. So I'm happy they got that higher and it's a good rival for Miami and we all know James Franklin doesn't win big games. So I'm good with that.
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I mentioned yesterday that Miami, the University of Miami, found itself with an unusual ally in Paul Feinbaum when it came to the Notre Dame Miami discussion. For those of you who are not familiar with our particular brand of obnoxious screech around here, there has been some screaming and yelling about the idea that Miami and Notre Dame could end up with the same record and Notre Dame would have a higher classification even though they lost to Miami. Let's play the sound here from Paul Feinbaum. Paul, the idea that Miami beats Notre Dame head to head and remains behind them because of the quality of Notre Dame's losses seems to rub a lot of people the wrong way. How does it rub you? It rubs me beyond the wrong way. And grinning. I'll continue my rant about Notre Dame. I I've been hearing and you have been hearing because you lived near Notre Dame growing up, that Notre Dame in college, I should say that Notre Dame. There's a bias. There is a bias. Let's just go ahead and admit it. And this committee, I have no earthly idea why they can't move beyond it because they're supposed to be objective. But it just seems like let's always give Notre Dame the loss. And I feel badly for for Miami. They got knocked out last year. They were the last team out along with Alabama. They did some of it to themselves, but they beat Notre Dame. Shouldn't head to head matter in college football or in any. In any sporting event. But apparently to this committee, it does.
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Not matter at all.
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It does take more confidence.
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No CC.1 pump on just one.
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You did it.
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Very stiff or lossy vibes. Dude, dude, you got to get there.
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Yeah, I know. I'm sorry. How does it rub you, Paul? You saw that. It rubbed him poorly. You saw that Paul Feinbaum there, who as an entity, the entirety of him looks like something that would be rubbed. It rubs me beyond the wrong way.
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Chafing.
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Beyond the wrong way. So beyond the wrong way would be chafing. You're absolutely right. There is. There is stuff happening there. When you've arrived at pissing off Paul Feinbaum on behalf of Miami, do you know how wrong things have to be?
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How does that rub you?
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The craziest question. Come on, Green. That's crazy.
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It rubs me beyond the wrong way. So it's beyond. It's beyond chafing. It's. It's.
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What's. No, Dan, there's nothing beyond chafing.
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But that's a good answer because you were asked the question, how does it rub you?
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It rubs me beyond the wrong way.
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It. How else are you supposed to answer?
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Well, I thought it would be sufficient for it to rub him the wrong way, but it's somewhere realms beyond being rubbed the wrong way. And Tony correctly identified when he said, well, that's a chafing rub. And what's beyond chafing?
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Bleeding.
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Oh.
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Oh, you chafed too much. There's nothing else there. It comes out.
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Wow. But wait a minute. His blood runs crimson. It does not run. It does not run green and orange. That is a strange ally to have in Paul Feinbaum. I suspect that it's an uncommon kind of wrong. It's also a silly discussion to be having before we have to actually have it, which would be when the final decisions are made on this.
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You would think. But I don't think so. I don't think so. I think that there's been noticeable media pushes from Miami. And if you watch a college football playoff show, the discussion was all about Miami. That wasn't the case two weeks ago when Miami wasn't right. And if Miami lost to Pittsburgh instead of smu, they would have just kept Miami out of it, and you wouldn't have had an opportunity to fight. And I think these are impressionable bureaucrats that don't like being bullied. And you have to turn the volume up. If you're representing Miami, you have to force this discourse. You have to hold their nose up to it and say, what are we doing here? I do think a little bit of it is unfair to the College Football Playoff committee because clearly what they're doing is they're taking the AP polls and the coaches poll and they're just like, what do we want to change about, like, these two or three spots, which is this ridiculous tear thing that we all learned about this week.
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How does it rub you?
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Rubs me more than the wrong way.
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Beyond. Beyond. But that is actually that what you just described. What you just described of how do they do this without computers? Well, they just grab all the information and then change a couple of the rankings. That's exactly how Greg Cody, when he goes through all the magazines before, like, he's not doing any. He's not doing any reporting that involves calling a human being and gathering information. He's grabbing a.
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It's how you would do a book report before Chachi Beatty. Like, you Google something or you look at a book, you change a couple words here instead of there they are.
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My friend did the homework. He gives it to me.
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I change a couple of words. All right? Not the same general. Same general idea, just a different. Different wording. I think the coaches poll in particular is maddening to me because if any coach. They're just. What the coaches are doing is they're just looking at the AP poll and just trying to change a team here or there. There isn't a single coach on this green earth that would lose a game to an opponent and be okay with that opponent being ranked ahead of them had they had the same record. And given that the CFP very clearly takes its cues from the coaches and AP poll, the AP and the coaches poll need to be held accountable. I think you got a wet sock out there looking like a deer in the headlights. He's an idiot. We know that. AP and coaches, they need to know better.
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How does it rub you? Ariel Helwani is going to be around the corner. Mike Ryan mentioned a media blitz. I have seen that Cristobal has been out there, and this part is eternally dumb to me. I remember feeling silly when Nick Saban would do it every year after he had lost, where he just starts making the media tour and it becomes no longer about football. It just. How can you influence people by shouting? I want to get into the media blitz part of this, but before I do, I want to have at some point on our show a tournament of the best sounds in show history. And I think I'm not kidding you. I know it's a recent nominee, but I believe everything about this sound would make it a one seed.
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I need your support.
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The fact that he's a little drunk.
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I need you a little.
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The fact that he is whispering to his wife.
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I need your support.
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The fact that it's about a fantasy league controversy. The fact that he's taking it that seriously. The fact that it is somewhere between longing and pleading.
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I need you.
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But you can hear the desperation in it.
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It I need your support.
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I think it's one seed and it's combined with all of those things can be true, but the other part of it that makes it clear it's a secret phone call from clearly a very closed quarters in a submarine bathroom. Your support, like this sound is so bad. That's not a phone call in 2025. That is desperation shouted from the bottom of the sea in a bathroom in a submarine.
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I need your support.
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That sounds no good.
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I need your support.
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And he's nine beers in.
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I need your support. Hey friends, Jeremy here.
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Oh, wow. It's in there. I think.
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I haven't been practicing stugats.
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I didn't realize we had a substitute. Complicated legacy.
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Brought to you by headquarters. 441 Power Line Road. Second down to nine. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.
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Ariel Helwani has arrived. Come on in here, Ariel. He's the best going in mma. Has been for a long time. He is flexing even though he is a Bills fan and he should be ashamed today. And we're going to talk to him about. About the bills and other things.
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We get some ratings up in this. Finally, Healwani has arrived. Finally we could pop a rating. Am I on?
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It's been too long since we've seen you. Generally, the ratings don't spike when you start it with am I still.
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Am I still number one? Am I still number one?
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No, you're not number one.
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Oh, there was some, like, weird Jeremy Corbell. Yeah, yeah, yeah. He probably bought those views. He probably bought those views. How are you, Dan? It's so good to see you.
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It is nice to see you.
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Finally got the invite. Finally got called up to the big time.
- [26:37]
C
You've been invited so many times. You were near the cle. Clevelander, wandering around on the outside of the Clevelander and you wouldn't come in for mysterious reasons. You're always welcome here. You're always invited.
- [26:48]
A
And put enough zeros. Where's he at? Skipper Is he back there?
- [26:51]
C
He's not here anymore because I'm not here.
- [26:55]
A
He did what we call in the business fumbling of the bag. Let's just move it along.
- [27:02]
B
Is that Edo part of the intrusion?
- [27:05]
A
Where's Pablo at the.
- [27:06]
C
How does it rub you? Pablo's winning awards in New York.
- [27:09]
A
Yes. What a beautiful setup you have here. Wow, this is amazing. Dan, it's so great to see you.
- [27:13]
C
Likewise, buddy.
- [27:14]
A
I'm really happy to be here. I love this city. I don't like your sports teams. I'm a little depressed on this Friday morning considering what happened yesterday.
- [27:21]
C
Your Bills allegiance is the greatest of your sports allegiances.
- [27:25]
A
I would say Knicks and Bills. When I was a kid, it was Knicks, Bills and Expos. Those were my favorite teams. The Expos, may they rest in peace. In 2015, I adopted the Toronto Blue Jays. I've had a horrible. My kids say horrible. I'm explaining to them that it's been pretty good because my Bills lost to the Chiefs in the AFC Championship game in January. In May, my Knicks choked in epic fashion against the Pacers, Game one, and then game two, and then they had to swim upstream, and then the Blue Jays losing in, you know, seven games to the Dodgers. So we're at the dance. We're there. We're on the cusp of greatness. But then, of course, we falter when it counts. I've never seen one of my teams win a championship in my lifetime. Not one.
- [28:01]
C
That's hard to believe.
- [28:02]
A
It's hard to believe, yes. And you're hurting me.
- [28:04]
C
You used to be a young man in this business.
- [28:06]
A
I used to be a young man. I'm starting to get some white hair like you. It's so great to see you. Have I ever seen you in person?
- [28:12]
C
Is this the first time?
- [28:13]
A
This can't be the first time. It's almost surreal being here.
- [28:15]
B
Look at this.
- [28:16]
A
Why do you keep them so, like, far away from you there?
- [28:19]
C
I like to avoid intimacy.
- [28:20]
A
Yeah. This is so great. Tony up there. When I first met Tony, he actually asked me, what does UFC stand for? Now all of a sudden, he's like a UFC expert. It's crazy. I feel like I birthed his fandom.
- [28:31]
B
You absolutely did.
- [28:32]
A
Yes. He's, like, literally asking me, like, so who's this Connor Mac?
- [28:36]
C
Well, I. I. For the audience who may not be involved in combat sports, because he's here for part of the press coverage of Anthony Joshua. Jake Paul, which I think is an insanity. I think Jake Paul's choice, like, what's the End game, Spence, Is it your end game?
- [28:50]
A
Because I saw you guys talking about it.
- [28:51]
C
I just think it's insane that he's fighting this person. He usually. I know he fought Tyson at like 220, but he usually fights at under 200. Right?
- [28:58]
A
In. In the range of 200. Cruiserweight.
- [29:00]
C
All right, so he'. Cruiserweight. And Anthony Joshua is a legitimate heavyweight and I. The people he's been fighting are not. None of them are one tenth of what this man is as a fighter. His. His opponent in this fight. I don't know what your opinion is on this, but I am genuinely curious because even while I think a heavyweight has a chance in any fight, a puncher's chance, I don't think Jake Paul has anything for Anthony.
- [29:24]
A
Josh, do you respect him for taking it?
- [29:26]
C
Yeah, you have to. Because. Because that's terrifying like that. Look, I understand that Jake Paul is ranked in cruiserweight, but there are weight classes for a reason. And this is a man that I thought was going to be the guy who knocked off Fury and Deontay Wilder, and a lot of people thought that. A lot of people thought he was.
- [29:47]
A
Going to be undisputed time unified heavyweight champion, Olympic gold medalist in 2012. His last fight was for the title against Daniel Dubois and got knocked out. That was his last fight. So it's not like he's washed up. It's not like he's fighting bums and all that stuff. Yeah, it's a crazy thing. I just. I get annoyed at the people who are doing like the sanctimonious thing, that this is a stain on AJ's legacy, that this is a stain on the sport of boxing. Because you often hear that from people who actually don't watch boxing, don't know anything about aj, don't know anything about the sport. And it's like, save me the sanctimony, because as you probably know, boxing has been doing fights like this for decades. In 1976, Muhammad Ali, who was the heavyweight champion of the world, went to Japan and fought a guy named Antonio Inoki in a mixed rule school's pro wrestling match. In 1975, after the Rumble in the Jungle, George Foreman, after losing to Ali, went to Toronto Maple Leaf Gardens on a Saturday afternoon and fought five jobbers. Like this stuff happens. And so I don't think. Wait, what? Yeah, yeah, he fought five people on the same day. A jobber. Do you know what a jobber is? It's pro wrestling terminology.
- [30:50]
B
I thought it was guys with jobs.
- [30:51]
A
No, no, it's like guys who are just like sort of jabroni guys, tomato cane guys, tomato cans, jobbers, pro wrestling terminology.
- [30:58]
C
I think it's a stain. I don't think it's a stain on boxing. I think it's a stain on. A bit on the business of Bo. That Anthony Joshua could get more for this fight than he's ever gotten before. That Ngannou can go into boxing and make more money boxing than he can like in the. In MMA where he's a legitimate champion.
- [31:16]
A
Big platforms like Netflix want big time fights. They want spectacles, right? And I feel like this is a spectacle. Did I ever think this was gonna happen? Did I think this was gonna happen in the year 2025? Did I think that AJ's next fight coming off the Dubois knockout at Wembley, would be against Jake Paul? No. Did I think Jake Paul would pick aj? No. The whole thing is a, is a, is a sort of like mind blowing spectacle. And I can't wait. I have the. I don't know how I got this, but I have the honor of hosting the press conference.
- [31:43]
C
Well, you got it. Because you're the best journalist anywhere to be found in combat sports. Everyone knows this. For those who do not know what your resume is, for many, many years, he has been applying a journalistic, a rigid journalistic, strict standard to a sport and sports that do not want. And so you have had your tensions with Dana White and others because you insist on covering the sport in an honorable way. And that way you're a bit of a rose growing in a sewer just insisting that there be journalistic standards. But let me play some sound for you here. Since we just mentioned Ngannou and Dana White. This is on the Flagrant podcast. Listen to Dana White here talking about Ngannou and you tell me what your thoughts are here.
- [32:30]
B
Francis Ngannou is a bad guy, not a good guy. He plays the whole. I don't understand the language.
- [32:37]
C
And he tries to come off like.
- [32:38]
B
He'S a nice guy, you know what I mean? And people go, oh, the language barrier, probably. No, there's no, there's no language barrier with this guy. So he's going in to fight Stipe Miocic in Boston and he knows he's going to kill Stipe. So after the press conference, we're walking down this hallway and he comes over to me and he grabs me. His English is, is great.
- [33:00]
C
When this fight's over, they're gonna book me a private plane to Paris. And I said, I laughed.
- [33:07]
B
So, yeah, he goes, I'm not joking. Okay, Stipe Miocic beats the out of him. That ended that whole conversation. I should have cut him that day.
- [33:18]
C
So then, you know, when, when you're.
- [33:20]
B
An athlete that's signed by the ufc, you know, you get full access to the performance institute. And, and he comes up to my office and he was pissed off that.
- [33:29]
C
He didn't get a $50,000 bonus in.
- [33:32]
B
His last fight, that he didn't get.
- [33:34]
C
The bonus of the night.
- [33:35]
B
And I said, francis, you didn't get it. Cuz this, that. And he's in my office and he's arguing with me. The conversation's over. I'm starting to leave and he grabs me by my shirt and, and like pushes me back in my office. And I said, dude, get your hands off me.
- [33:48]
C
I could see in this guy's face.
- [33:50]
B
And in his eyes and the way these actors, who this guy really is, you know, now, now he's over and he's done a deal with PFL and Saudi Arabia. I'm sure they wish they never signed him.
- [34:03]
C
Ngannou has never slapped his wife in public that I know of. Dana White calling anybody a bad guy is rich. But Dana White, because he's rich, always has these problems. With Randy Couture and others. Every objection that he had to Ngannou, there was Ngannou wanting more money. That's how you get objections from Dana White. What are your thoughts on what you just heard?
- [34:24]
A
So, yeah, Dana has had this long standing feud with Francis Ngannou. It's important to note. So I reached out to Francis. I haven't heard back yet regarding this. I wanted to know how real it was. I do know the timeline. The interaction that he is talking about is following his win over Alistair Overeem in I believe, off the top of my head, it was 2016 going into 2017 or either 2017 going into 2018. And. And that was the fight that got him a title shot against Stipe Miocic. When they fought, off the top of my head, it was UFC 220. Point is, throughout that buildup, Dana was so. He was so steadfast and he was so. He was so energetic and so passionate about his promotion of Francis Ngannou that Stipe was actually so disrespected that when he beat Francis in their title fight, their first title fight, he took the belt from Dana as he was about to wrap it around his waist and gave it to his coach. And he felt like that was the proper thing to do because this guy had disrespected him in the buildup. And so my mind goes to the place where it's like, if you were. So if something happened between you guys, why did you promote him so well? And then why did you promote him multiple times? Why did you give him a title shot during the Pandemic and he beat Stipe? And why did you try so hard to sign him when he was at the end of his contract? And why did you try. Why did you sit him for a year when he beat Cyril Gane and kept him to that exclusivity period? If you. If you hated him so much, why did you want to be in business with this guy for four or five years later? If he was such a bad guy, why did you want to keep him around? Because he makes it seem. In that interview with Andrew Schultz, he makes it seem like I wanted to cut him after the Stipe fight, but my matchmakers told me to keep him. My question is, if he was such a crappy guy, if he was such a horrible human being, if he did the things that you are accusing him of doing, and I wasn't there, so who the hell knows, why did you want to be in business with him for four or five more years? And why were you so obsessed when he turned down the fight offer from the UFC as UFC champion and walked away and you took the belt away from him? Why does it bother you? It bothers him because he didn't stick around. It bothers him because he rebuffed their offer and he went on to fight Tyson Fury and Anthony Joshua and once in the pfl. And so since then, he has been on this. I don't know, this thing, this campaign, this media tour to slander Francis. And I don't know why he's bringing it up all these years later, but you have to ask him.
- [36:43]
C
You are in town for 24 hours for Paul Joshua. And I don't know, in your service of this role, if you're allowed to say just flatly what you really think of this fight or whether you have to sell the ch. The possibility that Jake Paul can win this fight.
- [37:01]
A
I don't have to sell anything. I don't work for Jake Paul. I don't work for mvp, the promotion. I'm hired by Netflix. And even. I'll be honest with you, Dan, like, I'll. I'll shoot with you here. Even the role that I'm in today, I feel a little uncomfortable because I think that I can promote, I can have fun with it, but I'm not a promoter. I am not involved in the transaction here. And historically, the guy standing at the dais is the promoter, is the Bob Arum, the Dana white, the Vince McMahon, the whatever. And they kind of used me in this spot. They asked me to do it and out of respect I say yes. And it's a big opportunity. It's Netflix and all this stuff. So I have to sometimes answer questions from people where they're like, well, you're on the take or you're on the payroll. I don't get paid anything. In fact, I've turned down multiple things from promoters because I don't want that conflict of interest. So I feel like it's important to say that. That being said, I think this is a. I think if Jake Paul beats Anthony Joshua, I think it's one of the biggest upsets in the history of boxing. The odds wouldn't suggest that. But are you telling me that Jake Paul was more accomplished than Buster Douglas? He wasn't. And I'm not going to get into like what's the bigger upset, but like, this is a herculean task on his hands. Anthony Joshua is still a very, very good fighter. His last fight, fight was for the belt. And there is nothing in Jake Paul's resume that would suggest that he can knock him out or beat him, but he's going to go for it. And I have a lot of respect for him, you know, for picking this opponent because he could have picked anyone. This is Jake Paul trying to earn our respect.
- [38:25]
C
No, I just think the reason that I think it's crazy is because of the leap between what he's been fighting and this. Like he has to earn your respect with this, even if he gets knocked out in the first round. Cuz you shouldn't step in with this person.
- [38:40]
A
But here's the risk. There's so many risks here. The risk is if he gets knocked down in the first round, the whole thing comes crumbling down. Like the whole Jake Paul experience. There's going to be no demand to see him continue. But if he gets into the fourth round and you're like, oh, this is closer than I thought.
- [38:54]
B
He's lost before and I don't think.
- [38:55]
A
Yeah, he lost a close decision to Tommy Fury in Saudi Arabia on a Sunday night, no one even remembers it. And since then he's got, he's got some great wins, he hasn't been like knocked the F out. And so I think that that's what everyone is dying to see. And I think that the whole thing comes crumbling down. Here's the problem. Problem. If the fight goes past the Second round. You know, Francis lost to Jake in the second. Excuse me. Francis lost to Anthony Joshua in the second round and got absolutely obliterated. Right. I mean, it was shocking. Francis had never been rocked, knocked down, or knocked out.
- [39:25]
C
But that was shocking to you because it wasn't shocking. The only reason it's not shocking to me is because, look, he's. Ngannou is great for a striker. He's got a good chin and Andy does.
- [39:35]
A
He had just gone the distance with Tyson Fury. Fury and, and knocked him down. And so I didn't think that AJ would do that to him, but he took that task very, very seriously. And so the, the issues that they're facing is if Jake somehow survives and goes the distance, everyone's going to be like, ah, the fix was in. And if, and if, and if A.J. somehow, you know, makes it to the seventh and, and, and, and can't knock him out until the 7th or 8th, everyone's gonna be like, AJ held him up. And so, and, and if, if Jake somehow pulls off the great upset, everyone's gonna fixes it. I feel like he's damned if he does and damned if he doesn't year. The only, the only result that I feel like the public is going to be okay with is an Anthony Joshua demolition of Jake Paul in a round or two. And that's a tough spot to be in. And so I hope it's competitive, I hope it's close, I hope it's fun, I hope it's a war. But I honestly in my heart of hearts have no idea what to expect here because it's just so off the wall crazy.
- [40:26]
B
But that's what the money's for, right? The money, the 70 million. Thank you, Mike. Is for. Hey, yeah, you're going to be kind of lose, lose situation if you take him to the eighth round or if you're knocking him out in the fourth. Like, whatever it is, that's what the money's for. But also, this is kind of the end game for Jake Paul. There's nobody higher that he can go to and be like, who else am I going to fight? He already called out NGannou before the AJ thing. Now it's AJ who's better right now to fight Jake Paul? Like, what's, what's the next level?
- [40:52]
A
I mean, he had, he had a deal with Canelo Alvarez. They were this close. Is Canelo better than AJ in the pound for pound rankings? With significant certainly before the Terence Crawford fight. And this fight was supposed to happen in May. There's Always someone. And Jake doesn't really play with the same deck of cards as everyone else. Remember he was supposed to fight Tank Davis this past Friday. That was the original fight. I'm infinitely more interested in this fight than the Tank fight.
- [41:14]
C
Oh, but the Tank. So the part that I find interesting about what he chose to do with what I believe will be the punctuation of this part of the story. I thought he was going to lose to Tank. And tank is 134 pounds. What's Joshua going to fight at? They haven't done the weigh in yet. He's going to fight at 250.
- [41:36]
A
They said he can't weigh above 245.
- [41:39]
C
Okay.
- [41:39]
A
The last time he weighed in that region was 2022. His rematch against Oleksandr Usyk, the last time he weighed in against Dubois was 252. So it's not a huge drop. But there is some sort of limitation. He can't go in there, you know, at 265.
- [41:53]
C
I, I thought Tank was the best fight. It not skill. What is, is the best fighter he was going to fight skill wise and now he's doing that 100 pounds heavier.
- [42:03]
A
Yeah, it's, it's a wild thing because the Tank thing no one else would like, no fighter who's fighting at cruise rate or heavyweight would pick a lightweight. That's what Tank Davis is, a 135 pounder. And so the question going into that fight was this guy is infinitely more, more talented and skilled than this guy, but this guy is that much bigger than this guy. And so does the skill outweigh the size here? He's now going for a guy who's around, you know, 45 to 50 pounds bigger than him. He'll probably end up, I think being like 25 to 30 in the end, but also that much more skilled as well. And so, you know, some people like to bring up AJ's chin. I don't subscribe to that. He did get, you know, he did get stopped by Andy Ruiz many, many years ago. And then there was the Dubois fight, the last one in September. But I just don't know if Jake has that pop in his hands to knock him down and knock him out. He's gonna have to try to survive. And again, I feel for Jake in this one because yes, I know he's getting paid and he doesn't need my sympathy. But like, even if he does survive, I know what the narrative is going to be in the afternoon.
- [43:01]
C
It'll be the same as the Conor fight. With Floyd Mayweather.
- [43:04]
A
And I don't think that Floyd was carrying him around for any of them, by the way. Like, I don't think people recognize this. You go to pr, you go to federal, as Dana White likes to say, federal effing prison. If you work a fight, like, if you work a fight, you go to prison. And the UFC is involved in their own issue right now with a fighter potentially throwing a fight. Isaac Dalgarian, like, it is not worth it. Especially on Netflix. You think Netflix wants to be involved in a worked fight like this? No. So, Yeah, I think A.J. is going to go out there. A.J. already has a deal on the table. I know this for a fact. To fight in February.
- [43:34]
C
Wait a minute. He happens to know. You happen to know. He just said he happens to know for a fact.
- [43:38]
A
He happens to know for a fact, Scott.
- [43:40]
B
He has happens to know for a fact.
- [43:43]
A
Gather everyone, get the children.
- [43:46]
C
He happens to know.
- [43:47]
A
That's good stuff. I'm sorry.
- [43:49]
B
So wise.
- [43:51]
C
You happen to know what for a fact? What do you know for a fact?
- [43:54]
A
Oh, that he has a fight in February. So he doesn't want to screw this up. He actually has two fights on the table for next year.
- [44:01]
C
Well, the fact, the fact that he would be fighting against again in February suggests that he doesn't believe this is going to go more than a round. Like he was, would not normally fight again a couple of months later.
- [44:11]
A
Well, actually he did have a fight scheduled for December potentially in Africa. It was going to be like a tune up fight. It was going to be like an eight round tune up fight against a fighter, dare I say a jobber that you've never heard of. And now the brilliance of all this, like AJ just like stepped in Shi Chev. Am I allowed to say that? I don't know. I don't know.
- [44:29]
C
Well, you didn't say it, you just spelled it. But yeah, you can, you can say it.
- [44:32]
B
You're talking about shit.
- [44:33]
A
Yeah, I didn't know what the rules were around. Anyway, he's now going to get like, I don't know, 10x and he's going to fight as opposed to fighting on Dazn and in front of six people, God knows where. No one's tuning into that. He's fighting on Netflix, biggest platform in the world, in a massive arena here in the United States. Just a second fight in the United States. Like, and it's comparable skill potentially, you know what I mean? Like Jake, Jake is still a novice in this game. He still has less than 15 fights on his on his resume. No amateur fights. Actually just one against a YouTuber. Point is, it's an unbelievable turn of events for Anthony Joshua.
- [45:09]
B
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A
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- [47:13]
C
Don LeBatard. No one else here is willing to do a trump or a Biden.
- [47:18]
A
That's not true, Dan.
- [47:20]
C
Okay, Tony, you can catch a thousand impersonations.
- [47:23]
A
That's not bad, man.
- [47:25]
B
Finally.
- [47:26]
C
Terrible.
- [47:27]
B
Pretty good stugats.
- [47:30]
A
Yours is terrible.
- [47:31]
B
You just gotta get a little redder A Little Pinker.
- [47:34]
A
You're right there, man.
- [47:37]
C
Yours is, is not that you're biting me.
- [47:39]
B
What do you mean? Oh, his is good. That's actually not bad.
- [47:41]
A
Not terrible. That's not terrible.
- [47:43]
C
We got to come together.
- [47:45]
B
Little Southern, little George Bush in that one. This is the D ler show with the St Gods.
- [48:03]
C
When you say because you didn't want to do the rankings of greatest upsets, but I will say if Jake Paul beats this person, it will be what Buster Douglas did to Mike Tyson. Like, this is not Buster Douglas was a professional fighter who was ready for that fight. Mike Tyson obviously and famously wasn't ready for that fight a number of different ways, including having a stand up comic in his corner as part of the training regiment. But Jake Paul taking this fight and doing all of this is among the most surprising things I've seen in boxing. I don't think somebody with these credentials has ever fought someone like Anthony Joshua. I know. Thrown in as meat, yes. Not co headliner yet. Thrown in. Thrown in specifically to lose, yes. But never as the payday. Like this is not an Anthony Joshua payday. This is a Jake Paul payday. Payday for Anthony Joshua. That's crazy.
- [48:59]
A
Well, he's the A side. Like his name is first on the poster. It's absolutely wild. And it's a spectacle, it's fun, it's entertainment, it's prize fighting. At the end of the day, that's why I get so upset. Especially in the UK, I'm seeing all these pundits over there saying AJ's ruining his legacy and it's ruining the sport. And this is a stain on boxing and all this nonsense. Boxing is prize fighting. And here's the one thing, if you want to bring up one thing to be upset about, say like, hey, from a health and safety perspective, like you have to be actually concerned that this guy is going to get obliterated, Jake. And if you're team mvp, like you have to have that on your conscience, like, our guy can get obliterated. And that's the only concern in my opinion. The rest is all just, you know, sanctimonious hand wringing.
- [49:41]
B
The real question is, what's going to happen in the welterweight division of the ufc? We had a massive two division championship with Islam Makashev. All the sudden, everything underneath that Bal Kamaru Usman's name getting brought up. Jack jdm. Is it another rematch? Do we have Carlos Br kind of making his way in there? Where's Shavkat Rachmanov? We need to find Him. What's going on with the welterweight division?
- [49:59]
A
Ariel, could you imagine? This guy, when I met him seven years ago, was saying, Conor McGregor, and now he's asking me about Shavkat Rachmanov. I'm just proud. I'm proud. And Conor says hello. GC says hello.
- [50:10]
B
That's my guy.
- [50:10]
A
Yeah. So we have a huge fight tomorrow, as you know, by the way.
- [50:15]
B
Armin versus Hooker. Who do you have there?
- [50:17]
A
Oh, my gosh, what a. What a big fight. You know, I like to abstain from predictions. I know you do, but I want to put you on the spot.
- [50:22]
B
You're on my turf now.
- [50:22]
A
Well, the fighters are so sensitive. They will see this clip and be like, no, you picked against me. I'm never coming on your show, so it's just not worth it. As much as I love you.
- [50:30]
C
Well, you.
- [50:30]
B
You and Armin are already on bad terms, so that's.
- [50:32]
A
No, no, no, no. Armin and I are good. It's the Islam crew that don't like me, and we could get into that another day. Armin and I are good. I love Armin and. And I love Hooker, too. Bilal doesn't like me getting into that.
- [50:42]
B
Later he said something weird, by the way.
- [50:43]
A
He did say Epstein thing. It was weird.
- [50:45]
B
That was wild.
- [50:46]
A
Ian Gary against Bilal Muhammad is a huge fight. We have Michael Morales, who did great last week.
- [50:51]
B
Stunner, by the way.
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A
Have Islam, who is the new champion. And you have Carlos Praches. Kamar Usman's trying to wedge himself into this discussion. It's like a four, five horse race. And I think at the end of all of it, Islam's going to get to choose. And quite frankly, I wouldn't be surprised if he picks Kamaru Usman because they're buddies and they're managed by the same guy. And I think that's a travesty and a joke if he gets a title shot next.
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So you think there's a little bit of home cooking with. Absolutely. Abdel. Abdel Adel. It's a tough name.
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Wow.
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Wow. All that praise that Ariel was giving you too, wow.
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Here I am, like, bigging up knowledge.
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You got to respect.
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All right, work the phones during this aerial segment. Ali Abdelaziz. I got. I got some good stuff here. Lane Kiffin has a verbal agreement with both. Both Schools, FL and LSU. It would be for a record setting salary. Now, on the LSU side, it would be a massive nil package because, quote, lane does not want to recruit, and that is what Edwards run would be for. Now LSU is highly skeptical, thinking that they are being used right now. However, they know that they have a path to Lane's heart and that is with Lane's son, who is a recruit. And the thought is Lane's son wants outlets.
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Lane Kiffin, a fighter. Who's Lane Kiffin?
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I'll catch you up during the surging middleweight. Okay. Now, Ole Miss is furious. Furious. Like straight up. I've heard Ole Miss wants to fire Lane Kiffin because they're being dragged through this during the College Football playoff chase.
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Who are your sources here?
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How do you know?
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He happens to know. And also Lane's. Lane's daughter is dating an LSU player.
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There's the honky badger. Now, the feeling is we're going to know one way or another today. Wow.
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Wow.
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On. On Lane Kiffin. Now, Lane Kiffin is in total control of this timeline. He has the college football world by the balls. He has both these schools knowing he is playing a. And they have to go all like. Lane Kiffin's not being scared by John Sumrall here. Lane Kiffin. I think we're reaching a point of no return. I think the goose is cooked. He's not going Ole Miss.
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Is he related to Pat Summerall?
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He spells it different every time. I hear you some roll.
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I think the same.
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It's some Rawl. Not so I expect a decision real soon here on the Lane Kiffin front because like this is on. Did you unsustainable.
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Did you just report that he's got an oral commitment with both schools?
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Yeah, the deal like the deal points in terms of money. All that stuff and nil commitment. All that stuff has worked out. He has a verbal agreement on the working points of the contract with both schools. Now it's genuinely about what he wants for his family and what he thinks is a better spot.
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Is this a Levitard exclusive right now.
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And seeing if he can pinch either of these schools to throw more in there.
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He's the happen to know guy. That's where. When he says happen to know you. When you say you happen to know something, you have the credibility to.
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Sorry, I'm not trying to belittle your reporting. I just didn't know that we were in the midst of. You were questioning when it. When it gets like regurgitated. Am I going to be grouped in like.
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Yeah, you.
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During the Ariel Helwani segment. Segment. Lane. What's his name?
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Kiefen. Okay, stop messing with us. I don't.
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I don't. I legit don't know who that is.
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Okay.
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I was waiting for the bit. What's the bit here?
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Let's. Let's do something you do know about in football. Josh Allen has nine. Nine interceptions in his last eight games. Okay. And a lot of people are pointing out, for example, that Jalen Hurts has thrown just two interceptions in his last 528 attempts. You can't turn the ball over. Your team has so many flaws in so many places that you need your quarterback to be a little extra reckless. He won the mv. Not being reckless, but they're asking him to do an awful lot. Last night. He gets sacked eight times. They have three turnovers, and now they've given up the division. What is the status of your Bills tears? Because if they don't win the conference this year, when the hell are they going to win it?
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Okay, well, first of all, division isn't lost. Let's not get crazy. I know you guys are, you know, in the rearview mirror, but it's not lost. It's not lost. We've had some bad moments. Moments. And I still believe in the boys. But this is how I feel on this Friday morning after that disgusting performance that was disgusting yesterday. Like, there is no reason why they should have lost to that team. Who is. Who is Davis Mills? I don't even know who that guy is. What is going on?
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Quarterback.
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Not a good quarterback.
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3.
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Though.
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Davis Mills had never won consecutive games in 26 starts before the last.
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Ridiculous. I. I don't know. If him and this Lane guy were sitting in front of me, I'd say, like, where's my Uber Eats? I have no idea.
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You'd be weirded out by David Davis Mills. Neck.
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A
Here's the thing. I love the Bills. I love the team. I love the organization. But the time has come to make a change. The time has come. They should have made a change long ago, if I'm being honest.
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C
You're firing the coach.
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A
The time has come. The time has come.
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Why does he look less intelligent when he wears glasses?
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I don't. Here's the thing. We've had so many. Like, I don't believe in the window being closed. Josh is still in his 20s. Remember John Elway won when he was like, 38 or something like that? So Josh has many opportunities, but you can't. I thought the time came after 13 seconds. You know what I'm talking about. I thought the time came when you lost to the Bengals at home in the playoffs. I thought the time came when you lost to the Chiefs at home in the playoffs.
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C
You've been firing McDermott for three years.
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A
I'm a basketball connoisseur. Are you familiar with the game of basketball?
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C
I am.
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And there was a time back in 2018 that the Toronto Raptors had on their hands the NBA coach of the Year. His name was Dwayne King Casey. Right. And Masai Ujiri said, you keep losing to the Cleveland Cavaliers. You keep getting us to the Eastern Conference finals and not getting us over the hump. And so what did they did? They made a very tough call. They fired him the season he won Coach of the Year and brought in Nick Nursen. Of course, they brought in Kawhi Leonard as well. I believe. I believe.
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C
Small detail.
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Small detail. And LeBron left the conference. Listen, my point is, I believe that there are times when a coach is. Has taken you as far as they can take you. Right? The Knicks made that determination with Tibs. I thought a little bit early, but the point is that happens in sports. And I think Sean McDermott has taken them as far as they can go with him at the helm. And it is very frustrating to see that McDermott and. And Bean did not do anything to improve the wide receiver core. I can't believe we didn't. We didn't. We didn't update it. We didn't upgrade it, I should say at the trade deadline. The defense is putrid. Special teams is bad. The offensive line is. Is porous at best. I. You have the best quarterback in the league on your hands and you've done nothing to put pieces around him to succeed and excel. James Cook has been tremendous, but the rest has been very disappointing. And so I think we need to make a change as we go into the new era with the new stadium.
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They don't win at Houston. They've had trouble with that. You gotta kind of win the game when Shakir goes for 100 yards and your running back goes for 100 yards.
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We are better than the Houston Texans, even with the bad defense and the bad wide receivers and all this stuff. We are better than these guys. We're better than the Dolphins. We're better than the Patriots, too.
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C
But eight. There. There aren't a lot of teams in the league that are winning a road game when they're getting sacked eight times, turning the ball over.
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Disgusting. Ariel, you lost head to head to the Patriots. That makes them better. No, I have to remain consistent.
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I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
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We'll get them back.
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We'll get them back in December. We lost to you guys too. And that was one of the most Embarrassing performance.
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C
What does it look like when you're watching that night in front of the television?
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I, I, I, I, I. I am so sad because I feel like we are so damn close to finally realizing this and. And quite. I've been a Bills fan since 1990. I don't even want this for myself. I don't even want this so I can gloat. I want it for the good people of Western New York. Like, they are some of the greatest people that I've ever been around. The greatest experience. Like, so loyal. This is all they have.
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C
Their fan base is also wildly generous, too. They're beautiful people.
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They deserve this happiness. They truly do. I. I want it for them, and I want it for Josh. And they are. Man, it's heartbreaking because I feel like we are right there. But sometimes you gotta make these tough calls and you gotta shake things up, and I feel like now's the time to shake it up.
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C
Always a pleasure to see and be around Ariel Helwani. If you're not familiar with his information, it is the best information.
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A
Can I say one last quick thing? I know we're short on time. I'm looking at this right here, and so I want to say. I feel like this is the most appropriate time to say it, famously. Firstly, with you guys. During the pandemic, I had a debate with David Sampson, and I just want to send my best to David and his family. Much love. And I'm thinking of you, and I'm pulling for you guys. And I'd like to say right here, now, I consider David a friend. I've come a very long way since that debate.
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C
That's crazy that that's happened with you. That might be the greatest conquest of David Sampson's life.
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To go from much love, David and.
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C
The Sampson family, How it is that that you used to feel about him to how you feel about him?
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A
I felt like he killed my baseball team. And I thought he actually came across well on the Netflix documentary. And I think that he doesn't deserve the blame that he has gotten. And I'd like to say that, David, I love you. I'm pulling for you and your family. You know how I feel about you now we've buried the hatchet and, yeah, I saw the logo right over there. And I just wanted to say that there is no feud. There is no feud anymore. Put your arms down, everyone in Montreal. David's not the bad guy guy. He was made out to be the bad guy. And I have seen the light.
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Stunning development. Really stunning. We have less than a minute left. So the place that I want to just rummage around in and really hurt for Tony in is. Tony was very eager to impress you there with his.
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B
I don't know if I was eager to impress Ariel.
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A
I. I had. I had it and confidence.
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B
The problem is I switched to B and I switched layout.
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C
Look, Tony, please back off.
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B
No, no, I'm going to back off.
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A
I'm.
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C
Back off. I just want Ariel to hear again what you were trying to say as the last words in your conversation in which you were going to express to Ariel how much you now know about the sport.
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B
So you think there's a little bit of home cooking with Abdel.
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A
Abdel.
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B
Adel. Adel. Ariel. I mean, to be honest. No, play it again, play it again, play it again. Ducking Patty Pimblet. Like, what's happening?
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A
No, they'll fight in January, I think.
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Just keep playing.
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A
One more time. One more time, One more time.
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B
So you think there's a little bit of home cooking with. Absolutely.
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A
Abdel.
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B
Abdel. Adel.
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A
He's never sounded better.
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B
Name.
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C
Wow.
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A
Yeah.
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B
But Tommy Aspinall.
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C
Okay.
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B
And Soro. Gone. Like, what's going on there?
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Incredible fight. Can't wait for the rematch.
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Somebody please help me.
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C
How does it rub you?
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A
Terribly.
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B
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A
Cuervo.
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B
What are you doing here?
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C
Cuervo? Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.
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B
Well, I do know that to be true. But even during AD reads like Cuervo, I think he could lay out especially for one of our great partners.
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C
Sweet, delicious Cuervo.
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B
Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots. The same family, the same land, the same passion.
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C
Cuervo.
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B
So enjoy the tequila that started it all. Cuervo.
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C
Cuervo.
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B
The tequila that invented tequila. Proximo. Cuervo.com Please drink responsibly.
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C
Cuervo.