Local Hour: All About The Bing, All About The Bong

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Local Hour: All About The Bing, All About The Bong
Release Date: May 13, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz, along with their co-hosts Greg Cody, Chris Cody, Mike Ryan, Billy Gil, and Tony, dive deep into the highly anticipated NBA playoff series between the New York Knicks and the Boston Celtics. The discussion is vibrant, filled with passionate opinions, and infused with the show's signature humor and candid banter.

Knicks' Historic Playoff Run

[01:24] Chris Cody:
The conversation kicks off with Chris Cody addressing the absence of co-host Stugotz, attributing it to personal commitments that allow him the freedom to enjoy life outside the hustle of showbiz. He then shifts the focus to the Knicks' remarkable performance in the playoffs, highlighting their resurgence as a formidable team after 25 years of underperformance.

[02:10] Greg Cody:
Greg Cody expresses his astonishment at the Knicks' transformation, remarking, "The Knicks have been a laughingstock for 25 years, and they've got the champs on the brink with the smallest conqueror that there is in the sport." He praises Jalen Brunson's emergence as a superstar, noting his impact on the team's dynamics.

[03:28] Greg Cody:
Discussing the shift in his own allegiance, Greg shares, "I didn't recognize myself because it's the greatest compliment that I can give in the sport," highlighting how Brunson's performance has redefined his perception of the Knicks.

Jalen Brunson's Rise and Knicks Fans' Sentiment

[04:36] Chris Cody:
Chris delves deeper into Jalen Brunson's role, stating, "Jalen Brunson is a national phenomenon now. You cannot see how the game has changed." He contrasts Brunson's leadership with that of other stars like Giannis Antetokounmpo, emphasizing Brunson as a reliable fourth-quarter performer.

[05:17] Tony:
Tony brings a humorous angle to the discussion, questioning the future of Knicks fans amidst the team's newfound success, saying, "Billy, Tony, Chris, I'm going to need some help because we are full on bandwagon, Knicks fans."

[06:47] Billy Gil:
Billy reinforces the genuine support for the Knicks, "I'm straight up rooting for the Knicks," countering any notions that their support is merely a fleeting bandwagon trend.

Celtics' Current Challenges and Jayson Tatum's Injury

[23:31] Mike Ryan:
The conversation takes a serious turn as Mike Ryan highlights a pivotal moment in the series: "the biggest story from last night is Jason Tatum might never be the same. He might be out for a full season." He discusses the potential long-term ramifications of Tatum's Achilles injury on the Celtics' championship aspirations.

[26:20] Mike Ryan:
Expanding on Tatum's injury, Mike states, "This injury is one that's feared throughout the sport," drawing parallels to Kevin Durant's career post-Injury and underscoring the severity of the situation.

[29:02] Greg Cody:
Greg expresses concern over Tatum's prognosis, saying, "I guarantee you when Tatum went down, he knew instantly what the injury was," emphasizing the immediate and devastating impact of an Achilles tear.

NBA Draft Lottery and Its Impact on Teams

[35:12] Billy Gil:
The hosts transition to discussing the NBA Draft Lottery, debating its fairness and impact on team futures. Greg Cody criticizes the system, "The whole lottery system is ridiculous. One point. 1.8% can win this grand prize."

[41:07] Tony:
Tony questions the integrity of the NBA's draft process, suggesting potential biases and rigging: "How great are these crowd shots? You see Starbury over there getting the close up spree?"

[42:13] Billy Gil:
Billy defends the lottery's randomness, comparing it to other national lotteries: "Well, when someone WINS the Powerball 500 million, do you say, this. This is not the right way to do it."

NBA System and Lottery Criticisms

[43:24] Billy Gil:
Billy and Greg delve into the mechanics of the lottery, discussing the odds and the implications of wealth on winning: "So, like, mega millions, $5, bad job by then."

[44:03] Greg Cody:
Greg questions the possibility of wealthy individuals dominating the lottery system: "I mean, what prevents Jeff Bezos from buying $10 million lottery tickets?"

[45:21] Dan Le Batard:
Dan reintroduces a lighter topic with a nod to Sleep Number, ensuring to keep the conversation balanced with promotional segments seamlessly integrated into the discussion.

Final Thoughts and Banter

[35:50] Dan Le Batard:
As the episode progresses, the hosts balance intense sports analysis with light-hearted banter, ensuring an engaging listen. The camaraderie between hosts is palpable as they navigate through heated debates and personal anecdotes.

[37:06] Stugatz:
Stugatz brings his own brand of humor, referencing past predictions and emphasizing the unpredictable nature of sports: "Were you talking about the Dallas Mavericks? The mavericks have the number one overall pick now."

[39:03] Greg Cody:
Greg concludes with a critical take on the NBA's lottery system, advocating for a more equitable method: "All of a sudden, the billionaires are winning the Powerball."

Notable Quotes

• Greg Cody [02:10]: "The Knicks have been a laughingstock for 25 years, and they've got the champs on the brink with the smallest conqueror that there is in the sport."
• Mike Ryan [23:31]: "The biggest story from last night is Jason Tatum might never be the same. He might be out for a full season."
• Greg Cody [26:20]: "This injury is one that's feared throughout the sport."
• Greg Cody [35:21]: "The whole lottery system is ridiculous. One point. 1.8% can win this grand prize."
• Tony [41:07]: "How great are these crowd shots? You see Starbury over there getting the close up spree?"

Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a comprehensive and spirited examination of the Knicks' unexpected success, the dire situation facing the Celtics with Jayson Tatum's injury, and critical insights into the NBA's draft lottery system. Through a blend of serious analysis and engaging banter, the hosts provide listeners with a multifaceted view of the current NBA landscape, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts seeking in-depth commentary and lively discussion.

Transcript

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[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cody]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cody]

Shadowing it. Shadowing it.

[Chris Cody]

I would like assistance from the group here today. And Zaslow, thank you so much. We broke glass in case of emergency. Zaslow's been on a heater here for months and he can't show up for work enough in enough places to get money because he wasn't even supposed to be here today.

[Mike Ryan]

Love money.

[Chris Cody]

Well, that seat is usually occupied by somebody who also loves money. And there has been some turbulence in the air that people are asking about, where's Stugatz? Where's Stugatz? And I was just talking with Zaslow and Cody about how lovely it is to watch them build businesses, that Zaslow's got his show and it's a business. Cody's got his show and it's a business. And Stugatz has his shows and they're a business. And so we haven't reported this because people have been yelling and screaming in public wondering about Stugaz. And Stugaz has been missing a lot. But Stugaz wants to follow his daughter around late in life. And Stugatz is signed here to a contract that allows him to live the rest of his life the way that he deserves to, that he's earned. Because this thing has been built so that we can all get to freedom. But his freedom makes it so that we need him after the single biggest thing the Knicks have done in 25 years. And he simply can't physically get here because over the last four years, it's been hard to physically get him here. So I ask you, Mike, what am I to do today as the Knicks have Not felt this good in 25 years. That viewing experience of New York Boston is going to resonate across the country as a big series because, holy shit, New York's an underdog. What are you talking about, New York? The Knicks have been a laughingstock for 25 years, and they've got the champs on the brink with the smallest conqueror that there is in the sport. That dude, Jalen Brunson, has become a superstar. And I tried to tell this story last week and never got to the ending. When game one happened, I didn't know who to root for. At the end of the game, I found myself rooting for Boston because I've hated the Knicks for a long time. And I'm like, wow, I did not know that was there. That's surprising. And then game two started, and I'm like, I'm falling in love with Brunson. How is this happening? How am I falling in love with a Knick? And. And from right then on the next three games, I find myself. I want Boston to cry. What I want the most is for Boston to cry.

[Greg Cody]

What, did you turn that around?

[Billy Gil]

Let the hate flow through you. And I guess you were alluding to the fact that, I mean, Sugats is purportedly a Knicks fan. You got the biggest Knicks fan on the planet right here with you, pal. Bing Bong. I'm so in on this.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm straight up rooting for the Knicks.

[Billy Gil]

Let's go, Knicks.

[Mike Ryan]

I've been rooting for the Knicks from day one of this series.

[Chris Cody]

Go, New York. Go, New York, go. I gotta tell you, I don't even recognize myself because it's the greatest compliment that I can give in the sport that does such a good job with the stories. Holy shit. Jalen Brunson. I'm late to this party. You have beaten the respect out of me, even though I want your fan base to suffer. Like, I cannot give a player a greater compliment than that when I want New York fans to hurt. And I'm like, oh, man, they got the beloved one and no one saw him coming. So now New York gets to identify. This is amazing. As loud as these people have been for 25 years without winning anything, New York gets to identify as the underdog. You've got to be shitting me. The beloved underdog Knicks.

[Billy Gil]

How great are these crowd shots? You see Starbury over there getting the close up spree?

[Mike Ryan]

Well, there's. Why is there no other team that has that? Where the former players sit courtside and not just sit there and watch the game. They're on the floor cheering and jumping around no other team in sports.

[Chris Cody]

It's like seeing the University of Miami players come back and be on the sidelines like college players.

[Billy Gil]

Only because they're beating the Boston Celtics. I wish those Miami Hurricanes could line up against the Boston Celtics.

[Mike Ryan]

Marbury loves the Knicks so much.

[Billy Gil]

Last night was one of the greatest nights of my life.

[Chris Cody]

Wfat.

[Tony]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Chris Cody]

I don't recognize what's happening around here. Billy, Tony, Chris, I'm going to need some help because we are full on bandwagon, Knicks fans. I can't believe that this has happened. And do you understand what I'm saying, Cody, when I say I've never had a viewing experience that made me feel that particular thing over four games where. Who am I rooting for? I don't know who I'm rooting for. Let me see some game play out. Oh, is that what's rising up in me? I'd like Boston to win at the end. I'd like. I'd like Tatum to get his moment. Brunson's had a lot of moments. He can. He can wait a couple of years. Tatum is a champion now, and I'd like to see him prove it. That's where I was Game one. And then it all changed because the smallest guy is beating a guy that's now injured. And Boston is suffering today because the most overwhelming champion in the league, a team that made it look easy last year, is in big trouble because their best player is hurt. They are unlikely to be able to overcome this particular deficit. And Knicks fans are in position in the Garden, possibly for the first time since 1999, to witness a closeout game. And it'll be on Boston as a giant underdog.

[Mike Ryan]

I think the big question there with what you just said, that they have a chance to close out a team at the Mecca for the first time since 1999. Are there still enough balloons and confetti in the Raptors since they seemingly use them all in that one win they had against the Miami Heat? Are there enough balloons and confetti left over?

[Chris Cody]

Let's talk about Nick's history for a second. Because beloved Jalen Brunson is a national phenomenon now. You cannot see how the game has changed. See Jokic exhausted. Talk about Shea, Gilgis, Alexander and Anthony Edwards without now saying what New York's been saying for a minute. Hey, why isn't Jalen Brunson in this conversation? Is it because it's like college football? We decide who the MVPs are before the season in the preseason rankings, and then when someone shows us something and slays a giant, we won't allow Jalen Brunson to climb into the conversation of, well, is this a franchise changer like Giannis? If what you're getting is fourth quarter, you know your guy, you trust him, and you can ride that for five years. You've got the guy that, in the fourth quarter. I don't know that Boston has that. That. The guy that in the fourth quarter, you know as a fan base, he's our guy. We trust him even if he misses. Yes. Let him take all the shots. The reason I recognize it is because Dwayne Wade was that once upon a time.

[Mike Ryan]

There's some good irony last night, right, where before the game, they're showing the Mavericks room, celebrating it, getting the number one overall pick, and it's like, oh, yeah, they could have had Brunson for $55 million. Not $55 million a year, mind you. $55 million for the duration of the contract extension.

[Zach Zaslow]

Mavs had a good draft that year. They had a Slovenian guy who's pretty good, Luka Doncic, and then Brunson.

[Chris Cody]

So I'm going to be forced in this day and age, you guys tell me if I have this incorrect because in it feels like the transaction and the numbers have dwarfed everything. And so I believe it's possible that if I put these stories next to each other and ask the audience, which is the bigger item today that you would like to discuss? Holy shit, the Mavericks. That's funny. The transaction or holy shit, New York and Boston, top of the food chain. Can the Knicks win a championship? Because if teams start getting inexperienced and injured on both sides, all you've got to do is be one of the last four standing and you can get what is a lucky break on Tatum. That was awful to watch. And I think most people want to see champions, be champions and be able to defend their throne. I believe while Knicks fans might selfishly be happy that with the dehumanization of. I'd like to see a great athlete writhing because his Achilles hurt. My sports fandom is so not human that I want to look at Jayson Tatum and be happy that my team's going to advance because it has a better chance, I think most sports fans were like, ah, that stinks. Nobody wants to see it happen that way.

[Greg Cody]

Well, to watch Jayson Tatum in a wheelchair sobbing with his head in his hands was heartbreaking. I don't care if you're a Knicks fan, it was heartbreaking.

[Mike Ryan]

Doesn't the wheelchair mean he's going to come back in the game?

[Billy Gil]

That's usually the precedent for Boston.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, okay, that's fair. That's fair. But I want to. I am the exception to your unified bandwagon theory. Okay? The best story in sports is going to be Boston winning three in a row without Jayson Tatum. If that happens, that's the best story in sports. I continue to be a closet Celtics fan because they were my first team. Sam Jones, Havlicek, Bill Russell, back in my day.

[Chris Cody]

Hold on a minute. Get this music. Hold on a second. Chris Cody. Let's get. Let's get. Let's cede the stage to original Celtics fan Greg Cody so he could talk about the halcyon days of Carl Y. Stremsky. Yeah, well, you laugh, but you. Let's get the music here for back in my. Yeah, go ahead. Tell us all about how once upon a time, traitorous Greg Cody loved the Boston Celtics because he has no taste.

[Greg Cody]

Okay. Bill Russell, the greatest champion in the history of sports. And later, a champion off the court. Sam Jones with those. Those bank shots off the glass from the corner. What a player. He was underrated. John Havlicek, Hondo. They just had a wonderful team back then. It made me. This is decades before the Miami Heat. It made me fall in love with basketball. So, yeah, to this day, I go back in my day as an original Celtics fan, and I still root for the Celtics, unlike yourself, Dan. I don't change my allegiance just because somebody had a big game. And by the way, Jayson Tatum last night, I believe, had 42 points or something. So he's capable of leading that team to. To a championship. But will he get the chance? Of course not. Will the Celtics win without him? I wouldn't write them off.

[Zach Zaslow]

Greg, quick question. So on the Sam Jones, he's got the bank shot from the corner. How did that. How.

[Chris Cody]

Mathematically, what you were describing there makes no sense.

[Mike Ryan]

And I think I was totally thinking the same thing.

[Chris Cody]

Let me explain something to you, because this. Look, man, Greg Cody loves nothing better than to tell a yarn from a time no one remembers. So you can't change any of the details because he didn't actually see Wilt Chamberlain's first game. He just remembers that way I remembered seeing. So Sam Jones, you mention not remember him, Tony, because it was 40 years before your time. But yes, he would Frisbee the basketball several loops around the backboard, and then it would go in. That's How Greg Cody remembers it, nobody's old enough to question him about it.

[Greg Cody]

Okay. When I say a bank shot from the corner, I mean the corner. Ish. Okay.

[Billy Gil]

Like.

[Greg Cody]

Like he was not obviously, like, the wing. Yeah, wing. But. But the point is, he would take intentional bank shots. That was his style.

[Mike Ryan]

It's like when the guy shoots from the corner and it winds up grazing the backboard, he goes, that's. He didn't mean to do that, but.

[Zach Zaslow]

He did it every time.

[Greg Cody]

Wow. Yeah, though. Was a bank shot artist, believe me. And so the Celtics going to roar back without Tatum, win three in a row.

[Chris Cody]

This is a little strange to hear, is it not? Because I don't think anybody thinks that. Boston fans don't think that right now. Right. Boston fans do not think that they are going to rally in this series.

[Greg Cody]

Okay? Somebody has to save the NBA and NBA fans from a Timberwolves Pacers final. Somebody has to save the league.

[Mike Ryan]

And that guy's Peyton Pritchard and the TV network.

[Greg Cody]

What a player. Sixth man of the year now. Fifth man of the year.

[Billy Gil]

There's only one Sam Jones, Tatum's hurricane, and that's Kim Cattrall's character from Sex and the City. Because it's all about New York right now. It is all about Nixon 5. Right now. It's all about the bang, and it's all about the bong.

[Chris Cody]

Please, Billy, let's rise up on behalf of New York. I can't believe I'm saying it.

[Tony]

Me. Rise up on behalf of New York. I believe you guys are kind of embarrassing yourselves. Yeah, if I'm gonna be honest, you guys are big HE fans. Oh, the Heat, the Knicks. Which, by the way, I don't.

[Zach Zaslow]

Only one HE fan here, by the way.

[Tony]

Knicks fans never think about the Heat ever. Just for the record, like, they do not think that it's a rivalry the way that you guys think that the Knicks thing is a rivalry. And now all of a sudden, you're here and you're number one. Knicks fans. Like, I don't understand you guys.

[Billy Gil]

So here's how I can explain it. I once went to the. The darts world championship in the uk. I walked in that building and you know what I said immediately? Guess I love darts now. Guess darts are my thing because this is so fun. So I was watching last night. Guess I'm a Knicks guy now, because that was so fun. That was a. That was a moment that only the Mecca could deliver.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm totally rooting for the Knicks also. But when the Knicks advance, because, I mean, Cody, three in a row without Tatum. What are you talking about? Yeah, it'll happen when the Knicks advance. I'm not rooting for the Knicks anymore. Like next round, it's over for me.

[Billy Gil]

Same. Okay, maybe, maybe some residual effect in the Eastern Conference final because I also hate the Indiana Pacers too.

[Mike Ryan]

But you don't want the Knicks to win the champions.

[Billy Gil]

No, no, no, no, no, no.

[Zach Zaslow]

I want to.

[Billy Gil]

I want to. I want to.

[Mike Ryan]

Basically want to be a nuts man.

[Billy Gil]

No, I want. I want to thread this needle. You know, I want to. I want to destroy Boston and enjoy the New York. All the fun elements of it.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what I'm talking about. You got Chalamet, he's all excited.

[Billy Gil]

He's great.

[Mike Ryan]

You got Ben Stiller, he's excited. Tracy Morgan's puking on the court. He's excited.

[Dan Le Batard]

Anyone else worried about just the city of New York? Because look, if you look at these celebration videos from just this round, what are they going to do?

[Chris Cody]

Okay, People are flooding the streets. This is. This is such an amazing thing, honestly, to witness. Because when Zaslow says the players are courtside, they have to eject Charles Oakley. And the fan base rallies to the side of Charles Oakley because they're like, what's wrong with you? Owner of the New York Knick, James Dolan, you don't deserve any of this. Oakley's what Knicks basketball is, according to my dad and my grandfather, and what Knicks basketball is in New York, even though it's a loser, according to my dad and my grandfather, is the greatest feeling this city has ever known. Not in football. It used to be baseball. The Knicks, when they grab this city, the Knicks exist at the center physically of the city. They call Mecca the Garden because there's. There's nothing like it. What New York is about to become, and this part is the fun of it for Miami because I can respect Jalen Brunson. I can enjoy that. Jalen Brunson brings me the joy of hating the Celtics and enjoying their fans tears. But in one of the next two rounds, I'm going to see all this loud shut up by another team that's better than this Knicks team.

[Billy Gil]

Knicks don't think about the Heat. What a ridiculous statement. They don't think about get out of here. What is that? Rent free, established 1988 like we talking about? They don't think about the Heat. They lose to the Heat constantly. The Heat have won three titles since they were granted a championship team. The Knicks have one title that they don't shut up About?

[Mike Ryan]

Go on.

[Billy Gil]

Of course they think about the Heat. Every free agent, they think they're going to get the Miami Heat. Get. I mean, they're having their moment right now. Okay. Yeah. They're thinking about Boston right now. Don't think about the Heat. I mean, I have eyes, I have ears. I watch those games. It still means something.

[Tony]

Well, you're a Knicks fan.

[Billy Gil]

I know. And I think about the Heat non stop.

[Greg Cody]

You all are a bunch of non Knicks fans. What? A bunch of fraudulent Knicks fans.

[Tony]

That's what I'm saying. You guys want to be Knicks fans, but you just want to be Knicks fans for one more win.

[Billy Gil]

That's exactly right. Thank you. You showed me, Billy. Yes, yes.

[Tony]

I'm not trying to show you. I'm trying to understand you guys, and I simply don't.

[Mike Ryan]

It's about hating the Boston Celtics. That's what it's about.

[Billy Gil]

We hate Boston. This is fun. This is a fun team. To beat Boston, I mean, I think it's simple as pie.

[Mike Ryan]

I actually went to bed last night knowing that the Celtics are down 3:1. I went to bed with a smile. I was literally. I was like this.

[Billy Gil]

So happy. Was so happy.

[Mike Ryan]

I fell asleep like that.

[Tony]

But you're not a Heat fan. Like, we've gone over this for two weeks now. Like, you're a Panthers fan.

[Greg Cody]

Why do you have your middle fingers?

[Mike Ryan]

I slept so well.

[Chris Cody]

When's the last time? Hold on. Get in that position again. And when is the last time? That's every Panthers night, right?

[Billy Gil]

Or, oh, my.

[Mike Ryan]

You better believe it.

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[Tony]

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[Zach Zaslow]

The crowd goes into a delusion.

[Billy Gil]

Winning in the playoffs, not an illusion.

[Zach Zaslow]

It'S a heat check.

[Billy Gil]

He's on fire.

[Chris Cody]

Stug.

[Billy Gil]

Karrios. Jalen Brunson, thumbs up. Clutch. That's why we won. New York knows you are the best.

[Zach Zaslow]

Not the joke no more.

[Tony]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Chris Cody]

Billy, you're not wrong. It is wrong. It's immoral. Of this show that has hated New York for more than 25 years because new Yorkers have infected this town.

[Billy Gil]

I feel like we're acknowledging what you point out as a hypocrisy. And I would just alert you to the fact that we hate Boston more.

[Mike Ryan]

So much more.

[Billy Gil]

Well, but this is.

[Chris Cody]

But this I didn't realize. See, I'm sorry, but what dawned on me, right, I'm old timey alleged pretending to be objective journalist like Greg Cody here, a dinosaur in the modern age. And what I don't very often feel, this does not stir inside me very often. I haven't felt a form of this feeling since 2010 through 2014. Oh, I'm here for just the hatred. I'm here just to see everyone broken by OKC holding up the title and we can all walk away and like, look, we were losers this year in Miami. But you know, we almost got Cooper flag.

[Zach Zaslow]

I mean the only real Heat fan here. You're looking at him right now. You're listening to him right now. I told you. I told you guys, there's only times I could prophesy.

[Chris Cody]

Wait a minute. This is a victory lap. Two years in the making. Tony, go to the victory lap room. You deserve a long strong soliloquy here on Tony's been telling us for a while. Tank for Wemby, Tank for Cooper flag. And right here, the percentage of balls broke. I still believe you guys think I'm wrong on this. That a bigger story last night than Nick's Put it on the poll. Juju at LeBatard show bigger story last night. Knicks go up three one or Dallas gets the pick. And then you get the Nico story. Because I think the transaction has topped the action. Now people want to talk about the shit. It's not about the games. It's about the shit.

[Billy Gil]

To be fair, though, I think the biggest story from last night is Jake. Jason Tatum might never be the same. He might be out for a full season. I mean, this series is one thing like the. The biggest story in the sport was one of the game's biggest stars has an apparent Achilles injury.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, it's. It's both. Because I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say because of those two things, Tatum's injury and what it means for the future, not just this series. What it means for the future of the Celtics and the fallout of the Dallas getting the number one overall pick. I don't think I'm being hyperbolic when I say I think the landscape of the league changed last night.

[Billy Gil]

As far as the future, it was a moment. It was a moment in time where you can absolutely circle back and I cannot wait to do the investigation on all the veins that sprouted out from this performance because, yes, that was a monumental game.

[Mike Ryan]

I think the history of the NBA higher league changed last night.

[Chris Cody]

Can we talk about this, please? If you guys are actually fascinated, as I think you are about the transaction, Because Celtics were already talking about changes. Because just the cutthroat competitiveness of this league where now all the teams need to be better at threes than all the other teams like that. How do you build the machine faster? And what's being built in okc. Brad Stevens is smart enough and Danny Ainge before him. Draft pick hounds where you can get the most valuable thing in sports right now, fixed costs. Numbers are dominating the game. The hedge funds have come for this sport and they have ruined some parts of sports with all of their numbers in. The second baseman's holding a card and a line drive over second base isn't a single anymore. It's just an out. Because everyone knows how to play everyone else. And the game becomes less fun. We are at the middle and Zaslow's got this exactly right. Exactly right in all these conversations. How do we fix basketball? Face of the league, Is it going to be Anthony Edwards? Jayson Tatum was applying for the job. Jayson Tatum needed to win more championships, make more moments, and he could be face of the league because Magic and Bird and Michael Jordan and David Stern all made it so that basketball would be about the stars and the stories. Steph's about to be gone. LeBron's about to be gone. The league needs to be taken over. Jayson Tatum is a perfect candidate for face of the League, but this injury is a crusher. And on this night, losing was a very small part of why this hurts for Boston because they were about to change that team anyway because Drew Holiday's older. It was, it was three playoffs ago that Jrue Holiday was saying out loud, I can't guard Jimmy Butler. I want to retire. And Boston goes and gets him, gets Porzingis, and they build the faster car, but it's not faster anymore because the engine just blew.

[Mike Ryan]

And by the way, Tatum is likely out at least half of next season.

[Chris Cody]

But that's why the engine just blew because. And, and that injury is hard to come back from. And Kevin Durant hasn't quite been the same since he chased a championship this way. Because the Achilles affects you on defense. Like when you're saying that what happened last night when Jayson Tatum is crying, I don't know if anyone heard a gunshot, but everyone that I heard from immediately that knows about these things says, yes, that's an Achilles. That's not just a non contact injury. That's a brutal injury. And people around, if it is indeed an Achilles, would have heard a sound that doesn't sound human. And it seems like Jason Tatum is that noticeable. The sound of can be on it on just an Achilles. If people were there near it, they would have heard the sound. It pops and. And it feels like a gunshot. And the fire that burns through you and I'm just. Obviously, it hasn't happened to me. Is something that you know immediately, oh, I'm out for nine months. It. And this is. Well, I shouldn't even say, you know that immediately. First you're in terrible pain and then you know immediately, I know what that is. I'm not playing anymore this season. I'm. I'm finished. And I'm crying in a wheelchair because in some ways I'm guessing, Mike, he realizes what you're saying. Oh, I'm fighting with five guys for this era of basketball. And I just felt behind by nine months.

[Billy Gil]

And he was having the game. He was going shot for shot with Jalen Brunson in the NBA playoffs at Madison Square Garden. He was shushing the haters. He was stepping up to the moment. And it was moments like that that would actually put him in that tier.

[Mike Ryan]

To be fair, though, in that moment they were. They were not winning that.

[Billy Gil]

They were not winning the game.

[Mike Ryan]

They were not going to win that.

[Billy Gil]

No, they were not winning that game. And I guess this will allow Boston fans to kind of, if they lose this series, it'll soften the blow a little bit because they'll rationalize and maybe the Knicks aren't better.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, I don't think it softens the blow at all because their team is never going to be the same.

[Billy Gil]

It's never going to be the same, and it's never going to be as good. And you kind of get a little glimpse into your luck last year.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, I don't think it's at Tatum.

[Chris Cody]

I don't think it's. That Tatum would never be the same around him. I think, no, Greg, you can point.

[Billy Gil]

About defense is a. Is a good one.

[Chris Cody]

You can come back from this. But it. When he's in that wheelchair crying, trust me when I tell you these. These men have great pressure on them because their bodies are economies. This injury is one that's feared throughout the sport, and it's the one that Kevin Durant risked in chasing Golden State's championships and has never been the same that. That. I mean, you can come back from that, certainly at Tatum's age. He's young enough. But what Greg says there, that he won't ever be the same, that is not entirely true.

[Greg Cody]

I think it might be, though.

[Chris Cody]

And it can be.

[Greg Cody]

I guarantee you when Tatum went down, he knew instantly what the injury was. And I would bet big that the thought goes through his mind, this could.

[Chris Cody]

Really wreck if it's an Achilles. Right. They have not actually reported that yet. Right. Some people are saying broken leg, so I don't even. Leg, like what? Fractured fibula.

[Billy Gil]

I mean, looks like. It looks like an Achilles. Everyone on the Internet seems pretty strong.

[Mike Ryan]

Twitter, everyone's a doctor.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, everyone's a doctor right there. I mean, it would be a weird broken leg situation, but, yeah, it's a really tough scene for Boston, and that's their star player. There are a few losses that feel as devastating as that. You probably lost a series, you lost your superstar. You knew that headed into the off season, you were going to reshape what was a championship team. And now you have all sorts of doubt because I guarantee you the plans were to build this team around Jayson Tatum. And now you have a flaw in your plan.

[Mike Ryan]

Why didn't Missoula just yell from to get up?

[Chris Cody]

And the other thing, Greg Cody, that you're saying when you say that Boston might rally the Other thing that all of Boston realized while he was crying in that wheelchair, oh, we will not win the championship this year that ends right here in this wheelchair. Might as well put our season in it and roll it out because the teams are too good that are remaining even with. Even if Mobley's out. You can't. This losing this guy, the third best player in the league, who makes 40 look easy, who can. Who is a player not quite Steph Curry, but there haven't been a lot that size in the Durant class of can make 40 look easy and be the third best player in the league. You lose that for the season, your season is over.

[Billy Gil]

And if not now, soon everything goes out the window. Celtics fans are coping with the fact that, okay, we're not dynastic. We're tearing this thing down again.

[Mike Ryan]

That's the worst part.

[Tony]

Like, they were this.

[Mike Ryan]

They were supposed to be this unstoppable team again this year, even though they're the two seed. It was going to be back to back champions. And now, if we're being honest, are the Celtics winning again anytime soon?

[Billy Gil]

Now they might be looking at Outlier dead in the face. And you know, they. They fear that too, because now, now you'll look at their championship money. Like, look at everything that broke right for you on your way to that championship. You get a little taste of the other teams. Like, your best player goes down. You went through three rounds of that.

[Mike Ryan]

And as a huge Knicks fan, you love it.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, so can I want to. I want to have an honest conversation with you guys because I'm being told here in my headset by informed sources that they have audio of me not only not being objective, but being a legitimate asshole in something I said that only the audio team has found that is meant to embarrass me because before this series started, I made clear that we were sort of watching it just to dislike everybody, and we. I can't believe Mike saying that he's enjoying watching Ben Stiller enjoy himself. At no point in human history have Miami fans rooted for New York celebrities who are courtside, who think they understand that magical Knicks thing better than anyone does.

[Billy Gil]

Well, they've never had Boston on the ropes like this in my entire life in the postseason where Boston means this much to me. So if I'm acting in a way that you've never seen me before, it's because I've never been faced with this precise situation.

[Mike Ryan]

The Knicks have not hurt me and also have not hurt you in half, in over half of my life.

[Billy Gil]

Not since I was a child.

[Mike Ryan]

The Knicks have not hurt me in over half of my life.

[Billy Gil]

I hurt them.

[Greg Cody]

Well, that's why people hate the Knicks. They haven't won anything since 1973. Spike Lee was 15 years old and a half a century later. There's an entitlement to a Knicks fan's attitude.

[Billy Gil]

There's no magic, say with your chest.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't see an entitlement. I see excitement. They're just happy. They're finally relevant.

[Greg Cody]

They're always excited. They think they're going to win every year. They think they're better than everybody else.

[Billy Gil]

It's not so great.

[Chris Cody]

Guys, listen, I inevitably fall. Listen, I, I, this, this goes back away.

[Tony]

I thought you were a Knicks fan.

[Billy Gil]

I am for this series.

[Tony]

So you should be the one that he's talking about. Billy, you have.

[Mike Ryan]

Why you have such a hard time understanding what's happening.

[Tony]

I'm gonna think you're supposed to be Knicks fans. You're supposed to take offense to this insulting thing he's saying about you for.

[Billy Gil]

This series, for them.

[Mike Ryan]

We're rooting for the Knicks when it's the World Series, okay? And two teams are playing, whoever it is, there's one team, maybe that you're rooting over the other because you'd rather win. You're not all of a sudden a Dodger fan just because you wanted them to beat the Yankees last year.

[Billy Gil]

Their culture is my costume right now. And the costume fits. I love it. This is so much fun. Boston is miserable. And there is a team that is. Look, it could be anybody. It could be the Toronto Raptors. I would start talking with a Canadian accent. I would love what's happening to Boston. This isn't so much about New York, even though, man, it is a fun bandwagon when things click.

[Mike Ryan]

That's a fun. That's a fun home court advantage. It is the crowd there, right on the court. Larry Johnson's jumping around all of a sudden. I don't care that he was punching Alonzo Mourning.

[Billy Gil]

It is a fun culture to pretend you are a part of. No doubt. But it could be anybody.

[Mike Ryan]

There is.

[Billy Gil]

Seriously, it could be anybody doing this to Boston.

[Mike Ryan]

It's rooting for not Celtics.

[Billy Gil]

That's right. That's right. The Heat are long gone. Like, all there is right now is rooting against Boston. And the Knicks are making me happy.

[Mike Ryan]

The Celtics winning back to back. Greg, let me ask something.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

The Celtics winning back to back championships. You think I need that shit in my life?

[Greg Cody]

No. No, I don't.

[Mike Ryan]

All Right.

[Greg Cody]

No, I don't. One of the reasons I love being a sports fan is that I can't lose here. As a neutral sports fan. I can't lose here. If the Knicks win this series, and it looks like they might be relevant nationally. National championship relevant for the first time in 50 years. Wonderful story. If the Knicks lose yet again. Also a wonderful story. I can't lose. I'm a neutral sports fan. I'm waiting for a good story. And there's a great story here. Whether the Knicks win or lose, I can't lose.

[Mike Ryan]

What's the number on the Celtics rest of the series? Greg may want to get in on that.

[Greg Cody]

That would be a great story, though, you got to admit. If they were potato.

[Mike Ryan]

No.

[Greg Cody]

Oh, my God. What a great story.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not in on that story.

[Billy Gil]

As a Jason Tatum hater. I can also see, like, a silver lining there a little bit. But no, we want the Celtics to lose.

[Greg Cody]

Okay.

[Billy Gil]

And by the way, I did not enter this series thinking that I'd have my algo all switched to pro Knicks.

[Mike Ryan]

Probably a little bit of Rock Hogan. WrestleMania 18.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah. Yeah. The crowd turned. I didn't know what I was. What. What I was expecting when I went into this. And the Knicks got me. They got their hooks into me, and I love them.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, let's go to Tony now. He's ready with a victory lap. Tony, you're feeling very victorious right now.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Zach Zaslow]

I mean, Chris, you. You only have access to this kind of genius and this kind of just brilliance and oracle once in a lifetime. And I gave it to you guys twice in a lifetime. And I. I brought Dan in here with me because he knows last what was two years ago, Dan, when the Heat made that magical run to the playoffs into the finals.

[Chris Cody]

Tony deserves a raise for getting this so right. Tony. Look, Tony was a lonely voice in a sea of assholes.

[Tony]

You're in charge of that.

[Zach Zaslow]

You are in charge of that, Dan, by the way. We'll talk about that after.

[Chris Cody]

I am in charge of that. But, Billy, you're the reason that he hasn't gotten a raise. You've undercut him and gotten in the way of his career.

[Zach Zaslow]

I knew that. Finally, we had that on wax. Thank you, Dan. So you only have access to this kind of prophecy, this kind of oracle once in a lifetime. I gave it to you twice.

[Chris Cody]

One of the great predictions in the history of metalark media. Right up there with a means of saying that Geno Smith was gonna have exactly the stats that he had.

[Tony]

That was wild.

[Chris Cody]

No one's gotten it more right in four years than Tony.

[Zach Zaslow]

So Wemby. He could have had Wemby. We knew what happened there. I gave you guys another chance. I said, this time, Cooper flag. Tank for him. The Heat had lost, what, 11 in a row? Ankle. We need a wheelchair. Somebody bring a wheelchair here. I'm gonna keep. I'm gonna keep running.

[Chris Cody]

Hold on.

[Zach Zaslow]

Somebody come back for Dan. I'm gonna keep running. So you only have access to this kind of genius once a year, and I'm gonna give it to you again. I told you, Tank for. Tank for Cooper flag. You had the 11 losses or 12 losses.

[Billy Gil]

You.

[Zach Zaslow]

You just weaseled your way into the playing game. You could have won the playing game and been happy and then got to the 11th seed. And we would have. Or, excuse me, to the 11th pick of the draft. And we see what happens there. Okay? Now you win. You go to the first round of the playoffs with the Cavs. They destroy. Destroy you. They dismantle you like a G league team. And then all of a sudden, on my couch, as I'm sitting there watching the lottery, just like this, okay? Being like, okay, let's see what happens. Because usually the pick is just in. All right, here the mavericks have the 11th pick, and then they keep dropping. Oh, they're in the top four. Oh, that. That's what the Heat would have been.

[Billy Gil]

Barry Jackson says.

[Zach Zaslow]

Ira Windeman says that he would have had that pick. Oh, interesting. Okay. And then we open up the cards. Oh, spurs get the number two pick. Oh, man.

[Mike Ryan]

Sorry.

[Zach Zaslow]

Sorry. I thought that. I thought I left Dan behind.

[Mike Ryan]

Listen to me.

[Chris Cody]

Tony's got the solo stage. Give it a victory laugh.

[Zach Zaslow]

I thought I left Dan behind. Okay? He's still here. I can hear his voice. So when you open up that card and you see the Dallas Mavericks, and you could have envisioned the Miami Heat. You could have envisioned the Miami Heat having that pick. And I told you guys, in April, okay, this should have been the Miami Heats pick and vindication. Finally. Sweet vindication, Dan. Sweet vindication. Carl, you heard that? Tony deserves a raise. Back to you guys.

[Billy Gil]

You think that segment has legs? Yeah, we like it.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, did you find yourself mad last night when, you know, it was. I guess we learned that that would have been the Heat's pick. Like, the Heat weren't in the draft lottery. It's. It's not their pick.

[Billy Gil]

I did find myself mad, to answer your question, when I found out that the Miami Heat would have been slotted with the same amount of lottery balls.

[Mike Ryan]

But they weren't in the lottery.

[Greg Cody]

That's a non story. I agree with Zeb.

[Billy Gil]

What do you mean it's a non story? Had they lost and not as a 10 seed made the playoffs, only to the playoffs. Yeah, but they got their ass kicked harder than any team has ever gotten. What are we arguing about by the history?

[Zach Zaslow]

What are we arguing about?

[Mike Ryan]

I'm saying, like it doesn't bother me when I learned that that would have been the Heat's pick. It's not the Heat pick because they weren't in the lottery.

[Billy Gil]

Right.

[Zach Zaslow]

But they would have been if they wouldn't have won and got their ass kicked in four games by the Cavs in the worst playoff loss ever.

[Billy Gil]

Through their own selfish, pigheaded actions, they found themselves out of the lottery and not having the number one pick. You know what would have made everything easier for Nick Garrison and Pat Riley on down? Having the number one pick. You know what made having Giannis and Photoshopped in your jersey a reality? Having the number one pick that, that would have made everything real. You get the number one pick, you're fast tracked to actually fixing everything. You can microwave it back up and you can compete for a championship because you were, you were right there. You have two all Stars that you can build around. Now all of a sudden you have probably the most valuable trade chip since, you know, Wemby went number one. But Cooper flag, that's a guaranteed superstar. It's a can't miss prospect. You can't have a number one pick that has more value than it presently has right now. And it's going to a team that made the NBA Finals last year. That was a punchline in the NBA that seemingly couldn't get out of its own way. But guess what? They did. They didn't make the playoffs. Miami Heat had to just F around and make the playoffs to do what? Get their ass kicked by Cleveland?

[Zach Zaslow]

To get zazzle Pearl Jam tickets?

[Tony]

Why is the NBA so bad at not looking rigged?

[Billy Gil]

Right. It's true.

[Tony]

Like, I don't understand. Like for a league that's always accused, it is funny rigging the draft.

[Mike Ryan]

It's the one league where everything is rigged.

[Tony]

It just. And at every chance that they get to not look rigged, they somehow make themselves look more rigged.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you think go?

[Tony]

Well, because you look back to the situation. So Luka goes to the Lakers, a team that the league wants to be very relevant and win a championship. Right. But it's not just that he went there, it's the way in which he went there where he was traded to the Lakers, but no one else knew he was available to even be traded for. And the compensation they got back for him was not great. So everyone was upset about that. So then everyone is saying, well, Niko doesn't know what he's doing. Then all of a sudden, oh, here you go, Nico. Here's the best player available. And, like, coincidentally, you're just gonna be able to replenish your team after you sent a franchise that we want to be great. Your best player. Here's another superstar just handed to you on a silver platter.

[Dan Le Batard]

When Adam Silver gets word that they won, do you think he kind of.

[Tony]

Like, Adam Silver puts out word that they won?

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just saying. Okay, do we really want to.

[Tony]

Allegedly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who in this room legitimately thinks it's. I get it. It looks rigged.

[Greg Cody]

Well, the whole lottery system is ridiculous. One point.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is it rigged?

[Greg Cody]

1.8% can win this grand prize.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, that's how a lottery is. That's a lottery.

[Greg Cody]

I know, but it's not. There has to be a better way to reward teams on a system where the worse you are, the more chances you have to win. If. If 1.8% can win the grand prize. That's a bad.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, when someone wins the Powerball 500 million, do you say, this. This is not the right way to do it. It's a bad system.

[Greg Cody]

That's a bad system for the NBA. I don't care about the Powerball.

[Tony]

You know what I learned the other day about Mega Millions? You know how much a Mega Millions ticket costs now?

[Mike Ryan]

Is it like a dollar?

[Tony]

No, it's $5.

[Mike Ryan]

Really?

[Tony]

They raised the price of Mega Millions from $2 a ticket to $5 a ticket.

[Mike Ryan]

Someone asked me this recently. I was like, I think it's a dollar.

[Tony]

Well, so I went to the grocery store, and I happened to have cash on me. I was getting some stuff, and Mother's Day was the next day. I'm like, you know, it'd be a great Mother's Day present for my wife. $110 million. Like, she would love that. So I'm gonna go and I'm gonna.

[Mike Ryan]

Get her, like, my wife 110 million.

[Tony]

I mean, that's, like, two years that we don't have to do anything. So I go and I say, you know what? I'm gonna get her, like, a Mega Millions ticket. And I was like, I'd like, you know, five Mega Millions tickets. I go to give the lady $10. She's like, do you know it's $5 now. And I'm like, no, are you winning.

[Zach Zaslow]

More millions or the same amount of million?

[Tony]

Okay. So I thought she was lying to me. I was like, this doesn't make any sense. Why would they do that? So I go and I look it up, and she's like, yeah, change like a month ago. So I look it up.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, you didn't believe her?

[Tony]

No, I didn't believe. Right. That something was up here. I thought that maybe we were, like, taking the $2. I thought maybe that was going on. Yeah, yeah. Because it seems crazy to me that you're gonna charge people $5.

[Mike Ryan]

She sees him giving cash. I know there's a lot more expensive.

[Tony]

No, because the thing is, like, $2, you could pay $5. I imagine the number of tickets being sold is a lot less. Like, you have to think twice. And if you're, like, in a state where you could play Powerball or Mega Millions and Powerball is $2, why would you pay $5 for Mega Millions? So I look it up and, like, Mega Millions. It's like, a spokesperson said that now that it's more expensive, the pot will go up faster, and it increases your odds of winning. And I'm like, unless. And I didn't buy the ticket, unless they reduce the number of numbers, it does not increase your chance of winning. You still have the exact same odds of winning. Less people playing doesn't increase your odds, Right?

[Mike Ryan]

Correct.

[Tony]

So, like, mega millions, $5, bad job by then.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, But Tool of the Week. Are there any rules about this hall of Famer? I don't.

[Tony]

The fans vote on that. You know how it goes.

[Greg Cody]

I don't play the lottery, but I'm wondering if there are any rules. Example. What prevents Jeff bezos from buying $10 million lottery tickets? 10 million. Nothing.

[Mike Ryan]

Nothing.

[Greg Cody]

So all of a sudden, the billionaires are winning the Powerball.

[Tony]

Well, so here's how it could work, because I've also thought about this, right? I think your chance of winning is, like, one in 700 and whatever. Million, right? So theoretically, you can go and you could buy every single number if the pot is high enough, and guarantee that you will win the Powerball, right? So if the odds are, like, 1 in 600 million and the pot is at 1.8 billion, you could spend 1.2 billion and guarantee that you will win because you have every single number. Right? But you have to do that, and then it's taxed. And then what happens if someone else has your number and then you have to split the 1.8 billion, and now it's like 900 million.

[Mike Ryan]

Then you gotta decide. You do the lump sum.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Or do you do the yearly pay?

[Zach Zaslow]

You gotta lump sum, baby.

[Mike Ryan]

Lumps gotta go.

[Zach Zaslow]

I can get hit by a bus tomorrow.

[Mike Ryan]

Bunch of suckers doing that yearly payout.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah. Gotta lump it.

[Billy Gil]

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