Local Hour: Buddy, Buster, or Brother

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Local Hour: Buddy, Buster, or Brother

Date: September 17, 2025
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This episode, titled “Buddy, Buster, or Brother,” centers on the Miami Hurricanes’ prospects, Miami Dolphins’ coaching drama, the nature of football “genius,” and South Florida’s deep history with its local teams and rivalries. Dan, Stugotz, and co-hosts mix laughter, pop-culture banter, and sharp sports takes, frequently revisiting the thin line between perceived genius and scapegoat in sports, while drawing on Miami’s long relationship with both college and pro football. The tone is irreverent, self-deprecating, and deeply enmeshed in the love/hate rollercoaster of being a South Florida fan.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. The Miami Hurricanes, the Gators, and Betting Lines

• Zaslow’s Take: Zaslow (Jon Weiner) questions why the Hurricanes are only 7.5-point favorites over Florida, believing it's “free money.”
  • “How is Miami -7 and a half against the Gators not free money? What am I missing?” — Jon Weiner (01:44)
• Stugotz’s Skepticism: Stugotz notes Miami often disappoints in games they “should” win easily, invoking Mario Cristobal’s history of letdown losses.
  • “The Hurricanes often Hurricane.” — Stugotz (01:56)
  • “Crystal balling doesn’t work against teams that like you tie, it's against teams that you should win easily.” — Stugotz (02:27)
• Dan’s Hopeful Realism: Dan points out the Hurricanes look physically stronger than in recent years but remains wary of inexplicable losses.
  • “This isn’t the team...that lost to Middle Tennessee State. Is it not a team that you're watching through the first two games and you're like, okay, that is physically strong and fast everywhere.” — Dan Le Batard (02:40)
• Mike Ryan Flags a Rivalry Trap: Rivalry games often stay closer than expected, regardless of the spread.
  • “This should be tighter. It’s a smell-your-own-farts week for the University of Miami!” — Mike Ryan (04:04)

2. The Dolphins and the Perilous Arc from Genius to “Nerd Boy”

• The Miami Dolphins’ Reputation: From national prominence to regional joke due to persistent losing and leadership issues.
  • “The Dolphins went from being a national team to a regional team. They gave up all of the decades of excellence and now are a regional laughingstock.” — Dan Le Batard (06:35)
• Coach Mike McDaniel’s Narrative: Once hailed as a prodigy, now derided as “nerd boy” by Rex Ryan and doubted by the fanbase following an 8-14 stretch.
  • “To go from prodigy to Rex Ryan on television calling you nerd boy...creates a visceral reaction around this person that is polarizing and poisoned.” — Dan Le Batard (06:51)
• The Perils of NFL Geniuses: McDaniel gets compared to Brandon Staley and Charlie Weis—coaches initially viewed as too clever for their own good, but whose teams ultimately failed due to stubbornness or failure to adapt.
  • “We wondered aloud, like, well, how does this look if they run into adversity?...I think we now know...it gives off bumbling, confusing over your head rather than wow, what a breath of fresh air.” — Mike Ryan (07:53)
  • “Instead of him figuring it out, it seems like he's been figured out.” — Mike Ryan (10:54)

3. Tua Tagovailoa: Quarterback with the Wrong Attitude?

• Tua’s Comments on Josh Allen: Tua expresses humility and respect for Allen, but Stugotz finds it defeatist and a problem for a franchise quarterback.
  • Tua: “That dude can do literally anything he wants...I can't do half of what [Allen] does…” (11:21)
  • “Don't say that! I want him to say, 'I'm better than Josh Allen.' Anything but what he's saying.” — Stugotz (12:41)
• Contract Talk: They dig into how much money is “guaranteed” for Tua, exposing the NFL’s tricky relationship with non-guaranteed contracts and player value.
  • “Listen, Buster, this is how it works in the NFL. That money’s fake, okay?” — Stugotz (13:08)

4. The “Buddy, Buster, Brother” Trifecta & Framing the Quarterback

• Stugotz cycles through condescending nicknames as banter gets meta; the crew laughs over framing a Tua jersey and the folly of believing in “guarantees” in football.
  • “He almost rejected business because [the framer] heard they might cut him this week. Are you sure you want to do this?” — Stugotz (14:02)
  • “Put it on the poll: Most condescending, Buddy, Buster or Brother?” — Dan Le Batard (14:48)

5. Moneyball, Analytics, and Football Geniuses’ Demise

• The Analytics Backlash: The NFL still mocks “nerd” coaches. Moneyball is referenced as an underdog scheme, but the crew questions its actual impact.
  • “People are enjoying what's happening here with the Dolphins. Rex Ryan calling him nerd boy because a football coach is supposed to be the guy who curses a lot...” — Dan Le Batard (15:13)
  • “Can we stop talking about Moneyball?” — Mike Ryan (16:16)
  • “You want management that knows how to find inefficiencies better...in a salary capped sport like football.” — Dan Le Batard (19:43)

6. What Actually Makes for a Winning Head Coach?

• The hosts debate whether some guys are just “coordinators,” or if, as with Belichick, the right context can make a supposed “non-CEO” into a legend.
  • “Some guys are just built to be coordinators.” — Tony (24:29)
  • “I remember when Belichick was only a coordinator. Everyone said that about Belichick. Didn’t have what it took.” — Dan Le Batard (24:43)
• Coaching is a transient job; only the absolute legends get to outlast cycles of doubt.
  • “It's a transient position. This is the life cycle of head coaches—about four years where you get frustrated because someone else in your division is beating your ass.” — Mike Ryan (26:20)

7. College Coaching Realities & the Dabo Swinney Soundbite

• The team discusses how quickly coaching legacies shift from adoration to mockery, playing a fiery clip of Dabo Swinney defending his Clemson record.
  • “If they want me gone, if they tired of winning, they can send me on the way because that’s all we’ve done is win.” — Dabo Swinney (38:08)
• Swinney’s defense sparks a wide debate about the unreasonable expectations in college football and how fan memories are short.
  • “There’s a generation of people who do not know Clemson used to have a verb, ‘Clemsoning,’ that was super negative. That has been eliminated since 2011.” — Dan Le Batard (39:51)
  • “[Dabo] did that at Clemson. He beat Nick Saban’s Alabama when they were absolutely rolling...He absolutely should get a lifetime contract.” — Mike Ryan (39:21)
• The crew jokes about the profession’s self-regard.
  • “Is there a profession on Earth that talks more highly of himself than the college football head coach?” — Jon Weiner (39:12)

8. Miami and Florida’s Muted Rivalry

• The Miami–Florida game simply isn’t what it once was, mostly because the teams rarely play—and Florida considers other teams bigger rivals.
  • “I’m old enough to remember when that was the University of Miami’s biggest game and biggest rival...” — Dan Le Batard (43:03)
  • “Miami would absolutely play Florida every year if they could.” — Mike Ryan (44:34)
  • “From the players’ perspective, I would argue Miami–Florida, the players think this is the biggest rival.” — Stugotz (45:14)

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• On Miami "Cane-ing":
  • “They always do until they don’t.” — Stugotz (02:02)
• On Genius-to-Joke Timeline:
  • “This stuff happens very quickly where you go from genius to Rex Ryan calling you Mick genius and nerd boy.” — Dan Le Batard (33:13)
• On College Coaching Insecurity:
  • “If they tired of winning, they can send me on the way because that's all we've done is win.” — Dabo Swinney (38:08)
• On Tua’s Humility:
  • “He’s too comfortable these last two weeks telling everyone what he can’t do.” — Stugotz (12:13)
• On “Moneyball” Obsession:
  • “Can we stop talking about Moneyball?” — Mike Ryan (16:16)
• On Coaching “Roles”:
  • “Some guys are just built to be coordinators.” — Tony (24:29)
• On Framing a Tua Jersey:
  • “The frame guy asked me. He's like, are you sure you want to frame this jersey?” — Stugotz (14:02)
• On the “Ass” as an Insult:
  • “I am fighting you on ass as an insult. The ass is necessary. There are many fine asses.” — Dan Le Batard (41:14)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• Miami-Florida Line Argument / Zaslow’s Take: 01:41–04:36
• Football Musical Promo Break: 04:52–06:35
• Dolphins’ Reputation/Coaching Genius Fallout: 06:35–13:08
• Tua Criticism / NFL Contract Real Talk: 11:21–13:28
• Discussion of “Buddy/Buster/Brother”: 14:02–14:48
• The Analytics Backlash & Moneyball Tangent: 15:13–17:08, 19:24–21:03
• Are Some Coaches Just Coordinators?: 24:29–26:19
• Dabo Swinney’s Fiery Rant & College Coach Ego: 38:08–41:01
• Miami-Florida Rivalry Discussion: 43:03–45:31

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Conclusion

“Buddy, Buster, or Brother” is classic Le Batard: heavy on Miami sports angst, blending the outrage of fans with inside jokes about coaching, analytics, contracts, and college football’s self-importance. The hosts examine sports culture’s quick embrace and rejection of “genius,” the impossible standards set by prior successes, and the uniquely South Floridian experience of watching great athletes and coaches cycle through local teams.

If you haven’t listened, expect a hilarious, pointed dissection of fan psychology, coaching narratives, and the evolving definition of success in football—seasoned, as always, with the group’s signature sarcasm and camaraderie.

Transcript

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[Stugats]

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[Jon Weiner]

Oh, that's so embarrassing with the take.

[Dan Le Batard]

That he had yesterday, which I heard on air, but he's still asking me off air. How is Miami -7 and a half against the Gators not free money.

[Jon Weiner]

What am I missing?

[Stugats]

The Hurricanes often Hurricane.

[Jon Weiner]

This team is different. They look different. What am I missing?

[Stugats]

They always do until they don't.

[Jon Weiner]

You know, Gators lost to the team that the canes just beat by 37.

[Dan Le Batard]

I worry about Georgia Tech. I don't worry about Florida because Florida may have something close to the athletes that Miami does. But I don't expect crystal ball to crystal ball in this one because he didn't crystal ball when they went up to the Gators with what seemed to me a better team the Gators had.

[Stugats]

But that's not how crystal balling works. Like crystal balling doesn't work against teams that like you tight it's against teams that you should win easily. That then you're like, oh, how did this happen?

[Tony]

It's inexplicable, not explicable.

[Stugats]

Thank you. Well, he gets it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, and, and Tony does get it and you get it as well. But this isn't the team, program, atmosphere, culture that lost to Middle Tennessee State.

[Stugats]

This is.

[Dan Le Batard]

But this is not. Is it not a team that you're watching through the first two games and you're like, okay, that is physically strong and fast everywhere. And I'm not looking at a lot of teams and seeing that. And in the first two games, like, I know the Notre Dame game was close, but it should not have been. And that's crystal ball. Crystal ball. But they won anyway. They looked physically stronger and faster than Notre Dame. I'm not wrong there, right? Like the game, the game was. They had a two touchdown lead and should have expanded upon it and then did what they can do. I've told you before, as stunning a result as I've seen was Mario Cristobal with the team he had in Oregon losing a game to Stanford. That I'm sitting there watching it and I'm like, I don't understand how this just happened. Stanford at the end of the game didn't have anything.

[Stugats]

Cristobal. Yeah, that's how it happened and that's how it will happen at some point.

[Dan Le Batard]

Are those lines moving at all on the Dolphins and um, Gators? Are those lines staying the same? It started the dolphins were 12 and a half point dog against the Bills tomorrow night. And Miami has stayed a seven and a half point favorite against the Gators.

[Mike Ryan]

Didn't it open at eight and a half? I think seven and a half is bang on. That's a great line for people who.

[Jon Weiner]

Want to make money on the case.

[Mike Ryan]

This is a team that, this is a team that had five interceptions at lsu should have won that game playing an F minus game. Offensively, they shouldn't have lost usf. If you watch that game again, F minus effort, undisciplined. They found ways to lose that game. Their defense is talented. Now, I do know that they have some injuries here and Lagway, if you look at the tape, looks broken. But this is a rivalry game. It's a smell your own farts week for the University of Miami. Like this is. This should be tighter.

[Tony]

Not only that, did you see what the moneyline spread is for the. For the Canes on DraftKings -305.

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Over the last 25 years of horrific Dolphin football, the longest playoff drought anywhere in the sport. You have heard me say that The Dolphins went from being a national team to being a regional team. They gave up all of the decades of excellence and now are a regional laughingstock. The Athletic today has a headline. Mike McDaniel was the NFL's next coaching prodigy. Then the Dolphins started losing what is presently around. McDaniel isn't around any other coach this early in the season. Correct. Because it wasn't that long ago that the Dolphins went to the Bills in a playoff game with their third string quarterback and almost won the game. And since then they're 8 and 14. That's fast how that happened. Because to go from prodigy to Rex Ryan's on television calling you nerd boy as if he's the cool one. Rex Ryan, comfortable calling you nerd boy creates a visceral reaction around this person that is polarizing and poisoned. Because the lack of trust that the fan base right now has in its leadership makes the Dolphins the only loud laughing stock like this early in the season that is surrounded by flying planes, booing and the expectation that the coach is going to be fired.

[Mike Ryan]

We did wonder aloud once. Mike McDaniel showed and showed up into town and he was a breath of fresh air. You don't necessarily hear head coaches talk like that for a reason. Because we wondered aloud, like, well, how does this look if they run into adversity? How does this approach work if they struggle? And I think we now know it doesn't help matters when he's out there in front of a microphone searching for the words. It gives off bumbling, confusing over your head rather than wow, what a breath of fresh air.

[Jon Weiner]

Step into the micro and say, today's a great day because we're one step closer to death.

[Dan Le Batard]

Death.

[Jon Weiner]

Does that mean.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, it's fine if you're three and oh, yeah, it's funny and refreshing if it's three and oh, but if you're 03, it screams, this guy should not be leading a football team.

[Stugats]

It's also, like, not that quick of a hook if they get rid of him after this year. Brandon Staley didn't last this long with the Chargers, and he was also viewed as, like, the next up and coming genius.

[Jon Weiner]

Year's a long time. Like, this is year four. Long time.

[Dan Le Batard]

The thing that bothers people a lot, though, you guys have heard me say this before, that in sports, the greatest crime, if you want, you know, outside of real crimes, the greatest optical crime, public relations crime, is thinking that you're better than everyone else or giving off something that seems like unearned arrogance. We don't mind so much when the arrogance is earned. It might bother us, but you'll beat the respect out of us if the arrogance is earned. But Staley and McDaniel suffer from the same thing. It's film room guy who's there for 12 hours, doesn't like when new young toddler comes in and thinks he can scheme everyone to death because he's smarter than they are. Charlie Weiss endured this at Notre Dame. He goes from Belichick side to Notre Dame, and in his first press conference, he says, I have a significant schematic advantage. And then they gave him a giant contract. They might still be paying that. I think it was a giant contract for Charlie Weiss that they paid long after Charlie Weiss was gone. But he got undressed, which is not great when you think of him and his physical features that we've mocked, because it looks like the bottom half of his body is turned reverse and the bottom half of his body, the back of his body is in the front, and the front of his body is in the back in the lower half.

[Stugats]

But Staley, McDaniel, like, they paid their dues. Like, it wasn't like they just were handed jobs. They worked their way up in both their situations. With Staley, it became a thing where Staley's smarter than everyone. He's the analytics guy. Look at him. He never kicks a field goal. He never punts. He always goes for it on fourth down. And then that didn't work. And then they said, you know what? We have our franchise quarterback. We're kind of wasting, and we have to get rid of him. McDaniel is almost a victim of being too successful too early. Right. Had you flipped last season and this season to his first two seasons and his first two seasons with these two, you'd be like, wow, this guy's figured it out. Like, we should maybe extend this guy. But the reality is he kind of peaked with this team a little bit early. So now everything that he's doing on the back end is a disappointment.

[Mike Ryan]

Instead of him figuring it out, it seems like he's been figured out. We've seen this before in the NFL. Guys come into the league, they look good early, and then the league figures them out, and then they got nothing in their bag to respond to.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, but I don't believe McDermott actually is any smarter than McDaniel. I just believe he's got a quarterback that the Dolphins don't have and he's. He's made that quarterback someone who no longer turns the ball over. And we're going to get to some TUA sound here that kind of explains why it is the Bills are now the new Patriots of the AFC East. Listen to tua. This is not something you hear very often as, as preview to a Thursday night game. Bill's Dolphins, he's top tier. You know, if it's not with his arm, it's with his legs. You know, that dude can do literally anything he wants. So definitely different skill set. For me. I can't do half of what he does when it comes to running the ball and any of that. And then with how he can just chuck a ball down the field, you know, with how far and the arm strength that he has, you know, he's supreme when it comes to that. So it's gonna be fun.

[Jon Weiner]

It's not gonna be fun.

[Stugats]

That's embarrassing. I hate that. I wish they would inject him with lye serum.

[Dan Le Batard]

Honestly, some of that stuff Adam Silver's been taking lately.

[Jon Weiner]

Oh, my God, that guy.

[Stugats]

I am so furious listening to this sound. Honestly, he undersold it. He can't do three quarters of what Josh Allen does. He undersold it. He's too comfortable these last two weeks telling everyone what he can't do. Like in the post game press conference the other day, he's like, I can't throw the ball. 80 yard. Just like, don't say that. Yeah, this I think I'm excited to see Josh Allen, he's so much of a better quarterback than me. I can't do half the stuff he does. Like, don't, don't Say that like, this isn't what's on your say. What do you want? Not that I want him to lie. I want him to say, what, I'm.

[Tony]

Better than Josh Allen.

[Stugats]

Anything but what he's saying. Like, he's talking like a veteran who's 43 years old, on his way out of the league, and he's like, I can't keep up with these young guys. It's like, buddy, we just give you, like, a $250 million contract.

[Jon Weiner]

You know, it's a good point.

[Stugats]

Figure it out. What are you talking about? Your fourth season and, oh, he can throw it down the field.

[Jon Weiner]

Sixth year.

[Stugats]

That's a. Whatever it is, a quarterback should be able to throw it down the field. I hated that sound.

[Tony]

That's a guy that's got $250 million coming to him, and he's like, I don't really care.

[Stugats]

Listen, Buster, this is how it works in the NFL. That money's fake, okay? You don't have $250 million. There's someone that can do something that goes around over there, and then, boom, boom, boom, that money's gone real quick. NFL money is fake as hell. So if he thinks that that 250 million is guaranteed, he can just walk around saying, I'm not that good at my job. It's not how it works.

[Jon Weiner]

But it says on the contract that a certain amount is guaranteed.

[Stugats]

Yeah, that money is guaranteed. The rest of it is not. I'm going to look up guarantees right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

Zaslow, I know it's a Wild Willie Wednesday, okay? But I did not expect the escalation to go from you calling Buddy to calling him Buster.

[Stugats]

That buster was for Tony after you.

[Dan Le Batard]

After you bought a TO A jersey. And you.

[Stugats]

The frame was more expensive than the jersey. That's the part that I'm regretful of, if I'm going to be honest with you.

[Jon Weiner]

Frames easily 200 bucks.

[Stugats]

300.

[Football Promo Voice]

Whoa.

[Stugats]

It was crazy. I told this before. I don't know if you know this. The frame guy asked me. He's like, are you sure you want to frame this jersey?

[Jon Weiner]

No.

[Stugats]

He's like, I heard that they may cut him on Sunday. Almost rejected business. Yeah, he almost rejected business because this was right before they signed with the extension. Like, I heard they might cut him this week. Are you sure you want to do this? I'm like, brother, you're the worst businessman I've ever heard.

[Jon Weiner]

I mean, it's a TUA jersey. He's a starting quarterback for the Dolphins.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

Like, what kind of jerseys Is he also saying that about like, this is starting quarterback of the Dolphins and this.

[Stugats]

Is coming off of year two where they made the playoffs without him, where it's like, once he's back, we're good. It's that stupid wrestler was going on there telling Dan that his brain was he's arrest Mike McDaniel.

[Jon Weiner]

Can't stand that guy Nowinsky.

[Stugats]

Oh, please.

[Jon Weiner]

Can you imagine watching sports with him?

[Stugats]

No.

[Jon Weiner]

He's sitting there just, well, my God, this order their headquarters tweet.

[Stugats]

What a drag. That guy is not even a good wrestler. Probably a worst doctor terrible wrestler.

[Dan Le Batard]

Put it on the poll, please. At LeBatard show most condescending because I did not have this happening in the first 20 minutes. Buster, buddy or brother? Because you've hit people with the trifecta here over the first 20 minutes of wild Willie Wednesday. One of the things happening with McDaniel that I wanted to examine with you guys for a second because I don't. Maybe Staley got some of this, but to my recollection, the time that I saw this thing happen the most when Michael Lewis explained Moneyball and what the A's were doing by sort of gaming the analytics to view the game differently than everyone else. And they were doing it differently at the time. A whole bunch of pot bellied scouts wandered over 80 years old and they're like, what does that guy know that we don't know? I feel the game in my bones. What does that computer say? I don't care about that. People are enjoying what's happening here with the Dolphins. Rex Ryan calling him nerd boy because a football coach is supposed to be the guy who curses a lot and then says, let's go get a snack. And it's just violence and caveman grunting. And when you ask Jon Gruden about, hey, your math seems wrong on fourth down and he says, what are those computer guys know about making a call on fourth down? I feel the game in my gut. That's what's happening around this coach. People are enjoying life, laughing at him because, oh, you didn't actually have any advantages with all your analytics and your scheming.

[Mike Ryan]

Can I, can I ask you a question? Why do people still invoke Moneyball?

[Stugats]

I don't know.

[Mike Ryan]

As if, as if, like they were any kind of successful. First off, the movie's all about Scott Hatteberg and not one of the greatest pitching staffs in the 21st century. It's like they made a movie about the Wildcat. Same exact level of success. Oh, we found this incredible thing where Ronnie Brown takes a snap and we don't win jack shit with it. Can we stop talking about Moneyball?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, I would say that the reason that we talk about it is because not unlike the Tampa Bay RA have also not won anything. They found a way to compete with less money with the teams that had the hundred and two hundred million dollars money advantage.

[Mike Ryan]

Right? But can we make a movie about how they got good draft picks and pick good pitchers?

[Jon Weiner]

Can we at least agree that it's ridiculous that not once in that movie where Zito, Hudson or Mulder mentioned they.

[Mike Ryan]

Had Jason Giambi they were really bad? Like it's not about necessarily winning within the margins. It's about like the sport rewards the bad teams with good draft picks and they they draft well.

[Stugats]

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[Stugats]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don Lebatard I went in the margin. I'm like, I'm like, you're money ball of sex. I'm basically Scott Hatterberg.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats a lot of walks, but I'm.

[Mike Ryan]

On base when it comes to sex. A lot of foul tips. Other, other dudes, they can be Giambi.

[Tony]

You know your role, you play.

[Mike Ryan]

I know my role.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stug. That's part of it. But I would say that in a salary capped sport like football, you want to have the management team that knows how to find inefficiencies better than the other management teams. And it's one of the places if you're going to make the money equal, which you're, it's equal to has how much guaranteed? It's 160. What million?

[Mike Ryan]

167 million.

[Dan Le Batard]

So. So if you're gonna make the money equal and if you can't actually overcome, oh, if you miss on Deshaun Watson, you're done. Like, if you give that kind of guaranteed money, if that's the mistake you make, it's gonna set you back for years. We're spending so much time these days talking in football about what guys make and who's the highest paid offensive lineman, et cetera, et cetera. We're doing a lot of money talk. So what we had that excited us with McDaniel when they were scoring 70 points is, oh my God, they figured something out. And then I can make the criticism you just made a moneyball. What they figure out they got Tyreek Hill, they got the fastest player. Of course they score 70 points in a game. It would have broken the record if they, you know, I think McDaniel didn't even go for a field goal late in that game or they would have broken the record for points in a game.

[Stugats]

But that game wasn't even just Tyree Kill, that was Devon H's like coming out party were like, oh my God, like it's more than just Moster we have reinforcements. Like, this team is fast and it's young and, like, there's depth here that they can continue with this offense. If someone goes down, they can keep reloading here.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is interesting, though, to me, as the Eagles now fight back on, like, pridefully. Really, you're going to change the rules because we do something that can't be stopped. The Dolphins, as a study, were trying to win the game by scheming and being faster than you and looked faster. And as soon as it got to the playoffs, we're all like, yeah, fast but soft. And so football is all about. No, we're going to keep hitting you in the mouth, especially now that all the quarterbacks are thrown for 150 yards.

[Mike Ryan]

Just.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're going to keep pounding you in the mouth. And who's going to be the champion? The team that Tush pushes.

[Mike Ryan]

I do feel for Mike McDaniel and this dolphins regime a little bit in that they've made it to the playoffs twice. They had Skyler Thompson in there. This isn't exactly what the whole franchise was built.

[Stugats]

Almost won that game with Skyler Thompson right at Buffalo.

[Mike Ryan]

I know. Look, we're a speed team. We're going to put up points. We're more finesse. Let's have the coldest playoff game in the history of this franchise. And against the team of the generation in the Kansas City Chiefs. It is a little bit of tough luck. Okay, but where.

[Jon Weiner]

Where are we now? Like, it doesn't end at that point. Yeah, they had. They were unlucky with all the injuries and the weather and they're playing the super bowl champions in the Chiefs. Okay, let's keep it moving.

[Stugats]

But.

[Jon Weiner]

And then last year was last year. Now this year it's this downward trajectory, like, whatever. So they made the playoffs the first two years. Who cares? Like, let's keep moving here. And look at them. They're embarrassing, but it was.

[Stugats]

I wasn't just bad luck because they had though those seasons came down to loss to the Titans. Like two. Like last. Last season makes the playoffs because they lost the Titans early in the week. That's our fault. That day, the season before, they lost the Titans on Monday Night Football when they had control of the division.

[Jon Weiner]

They were up three games with five to play. And somehow they did. They still did not win the division.

[Dan Le Batard]

Lost to the Titans two years in a row.

[Stugats]

Like last year. They missed a place by a game and they lost the Titans like week three or week four.

[Jon Weiner]

And the Monday night one were ahead by two touchdowns in the fourth quarter.

[Stugats]

Three minutes left, not just the fourth quarter.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, that. That is. You could point to that as ground zero.

[Mike Ryan]

He does that to everyone. If you squinted that night, Dan Pu.

[Dan Le Batard]

That game is where the dissent started and it happened pretty quickly. I do want to, before we get to UM and uf, though, just examine the glee around the downfall. Because when Rex Ryan is on television calling you nerd boy, that is not a level of disrespect. Like, he's talkative and he's outspoken. That's not a level of disrespect that he ever gives another head.

[Stugats]

When he wants the job, he kind of goes after them. He's done this.

[Jon Weiner]

He was pretty hard on Brandon Staley.

[Dan Le Batard]

He.

[Stugats]

When he sees a job that he might get, he goes after him.

[Mike Ryan]

He's pretty good at speaking, too. And I think Philly was right in invoking Brandon Staley because it's an affront to not just football people, but you watching at home, Brandon Staley literally cost his team a playoff opportunity because he thought he was smarter than everybody else. And everyone's just applying conventional wisdom. So I do think that people do relish in these people struggling because they gave off. I'm smarter than you.

[Tony]

The other thing, too is some guys are just built to be coordinators.

[Stugats]

Right?

[Tony]

Staley B flow, maybe. Mike McDaniel's not a CEO, head of the company kind of guy.

[Jon Weiner]

Spagnolo, like, not a head coach. Amazing.

[Tony]

All of the guys that are.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know why I don't.

[Jon Weiner]

Wade Phillips is like the all time guy, you know?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. You know why I don't agree with that? Is because I remember when Belichick was only a coordinator. Everyone said that about Belichick. Didn't have what it took.

[Stugats]

They were right.

[Mike Ryan]

They were right.

[Jon Weiner]

I think they're right.

[Mike Ryan]

He got Tom Brady.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I think they're right.

[Mike Ryan]

And look at him without him.

[Jon Weiner]

Do you watch that game against tcu?

[Dan Le Batard]

I would argue that very often we make these assessments over here and the sport hasn't quite been taken over by all of the schemers and analytics guys. But you're not going to convince me that Sirianni is a great deal smarter than the other people he's coaching about against and certainly not Andy Reid. You're just not going to convince me of it. You're not going to. You're going to tell me that Sirianni's head coaching material and I'm going to be like, okay, if you say so. But that seems like an ideal guy given his initial press conferences. Like, you're Doing it because they win. You're not doing it because you can make the assessment. Like, I can say this. Mike March was that. Mike March was that only offense, only coordinator and didn't end up winning in the Super Bowl. But come on. Like, you guys can't make that assessment from your couch because you don't like the personality of somebody. You can't do it. Like, you know you could do it. You're going to do it based on the results. You can't do it accurately. When I remember Belichick, everyone said when Belichick was hired by the jets and then resigned on a napkin, that guy's not a guy who can be running your franchise. Like, that's. That's somebody who's very good at coaching defense, and that's what he's going to do. And then you guys told me that Charlie Weiss is just a coordinator and Matt Patricia is just a coordinator. And yeah, they. They were just coordinators, but before that, they learned from the guy who was just a coordinator until he won, what, how many championships?

[Mike Ryan]

Seven.

[Dan Le Batard]

How many did he win?

[Jon Weiner]

Six.

[Dan Le Batard]

Six. Sorry.

[Mike Ryan]

As head coach, what is the percentage point of head coaches that get to say, hey, good run. You were great. You are awesome. You can have this job as long as you like. It's a transient position. This is the life cycle of head coaches about four years where you get frustrated because someone else in your division is beating your ass because they have better players than you, and you think that, well, it's clean house. That'll be the way when really, you need to strike on a quarterback. And Dolphins fans thought that they did, but he couldn't take the hits in the league.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, but we didn't imagine, all right, when Mostert was scoring 18 touchdowns and we knew that wasn't an 18 touchdown player, that that was Mostert's ability.

[Jon Weiner]

That's not.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's. None of us were doing that. We're like, that's a really fast player.

[Mike Ryan]

But we're doing, like, this. This offensive scheme dating back to Mike Shanahan has gotten Mike Anderson into the area.

[Dan Le Batard]

We were giving the coach the credit for. Mostert being what?

[Mike Ryan]

But Mostert was a J. Yeah. Like, it's a scheme. It's a scheme. Which made the first year so confusing because the running game wasn't what. Mostert did it. And he showed you versatility. I can do it either way. Hey, third year tight ends are a thing. Now.

[Dan Le Batard]

The thing about him, McDaniel acting, quote, unquote, acting like he's smarter than everyone else. Is we wouldn't sound howling with laughing betrayal right now if all of us hadn't believed it. Like, that was something we were believing.

[Mike Ryan]

When they were scoring 70i out of the three key pieces here. Let's throw Tyreek Hill in there. We all know Tyreek Hill is a problem. Super talented, four key pieces, quarterback.

[Stugats]

Two.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, well, that's what I'm saying. The only reason we all thought Tua was any good was because the stats that he put up in Mike McDaniel's offense. The only time you've ever seen Tua be good and had belief in Tua was with Mike McDaniel.

[Stugats]

Well, no, in college, he was under Nick Saban. Everyone believed in him. And then, fair enough. When he came here, he came to Brian Flores, who did not want him to succeed.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I'm talking about the pros, though. I mean, I've seen him do it with Tua. So I'm more inclined to believe Tua is an issue than Mike McDaniel.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think.

[Jon Weiner]

Look, it's an easy answer. I think they're both issues because Mike McDaniel's job, when he got here, he had two jobs. All right? When he first got here, the first job was, can you show us if Tua can play quarterback? That was his first job, and he succeeded at that. All right.

[Stugats]

Right.

[Jon Weiner]

Once he. Once we found that part out, okay, step two of your job is, can you actually coach the entire team now? And what we're learning is not sure. Not sure if you can coach the entire team. And the TUA part, he did his job there. Except based on what I'm seeing, I think two is broken. I don't think he's the quarterback he was three years ago.

[Stugats]

He also had no success without two. Like, every time Tua's been out, he has. Has not won those games. So I don't think that we can just say that Mike McDaniel's great at his job, and two is holding him back.

[Tony]

I think the other thing, too, is he runs a tough scheme.

[Stugats]

Right.

[Tony]

Didn't Tyreek Hill say, I just learned the scheme? Like, this year, it's been three years, possibly. But again, as you're a quarterback coming in, you're Snoop Huntley being like, all right, I have to learn this super complicated scheme in a week. Let me figure it out.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Dan Le Batard]

Dan Lebatard.

[Jon Weiner]

My algorithm on Instagram is Dan. It's all boobs.

[Mike Ryan]

Stugats.

[Jon Weiner]

It's a good algorithm.

[Stugats]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

This stuff happens very quickly where you go from genius to Rex Ryan calling you Mick genius and nerd boy. It happens so quickly that I know people are going to listen to this Dabo Swinney sound and they're going to hear the arrogance of what it is that Dabo Swinney does. But I'm going to play that sound for you so that you guys hear him remind you of what. What he is and what Clemson's been. Because you start with a loss, you start with a couple of losses. If you're Clemson and you see how quickly the whole thing evaporates on you, you create the expectations you've heard. You guys have heard me say this before. I can cannot imagine what it's like to be Vrabel in New England because you create such unreasonable expectations that an entire generation of people forgets that the Patriots were bad for 40 years before that. They were terrible for 40 years before that. And it was a miracle that they made the super bowl and then got slaughtered with Steve Grogan at quarterback. And then everyone just gets real forgetful. And it's not just decades over which they get forgetful. They get forgetful the first two games of a season in college football.

[Mike Ryan]

But certainly it's easier to be Mike Vrabel than it was to be Jarod Mayo.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, correct.

[Stugats]

He's the savior that's going to come in and get them right back on track. I think, by the way, they were on track at the end of the Belichick.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, make it Alabama, then don't make it the Patriots. If you don't want to make it.

[Mike Ryan]

That job, don't take these jobs. Don't follow the legend. Just don't take these jobs. Look what happened to Mush. Champion in Florida makes it to an SEC championship game. Recruits at a top 10 level out of here. In fact, they fired three coaches, each of them with an improving winning percentage. Just because I read that Billy Napier has to win his 28 next games to match Dan Mullen's winning percentage. Just don't follow the legends.

[Stugats]

I mean, if you're Kaylin DeBoer, though, it's hard to say no to eight years, $87 million. Like, I'll take the ego hit because maybe it works, but if it doesn't, you're good.

[Tony]

Got a house in the keys.

[Mike Ryan]

There are also examples in college football where guys keep the machine going because Larry Coker and Ryan Day would laugh right in my face saying, we can. We can follow the legends.

[Tony]

Yeah, Ryan Day's been great.

[Dan Le Batard]

Larry Coker, not great.

[Dabo Swinney]

Perfect.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just a coordinator.

[Jon Weiner]

Sweet man.

[Dan Le Batard]

But one more at the beginning of his career than any coach in college football history. But only a coordinator. Used up all of the Butch Davis talent and couldn't get another job after that. But did almost win two consecutive championships if not for Terry Porter, that cheating bum that needs to be interviewed by the assembled media.

[Jon Weiner]

And when's Pablo going to get on.

[Stugats]

That grilled Larry Coger also tried to rebuild UTSA afterwards.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, built it from the ground up.

[Stugats]

Yeah, I love that.

[Jon Weiner]

Sweet man. Don't. Don't you dare. Don't nobody dare say he went to my church. I love him. He a sweet man.

[Stugats]

He seems like a really nice guy.

[Mike Ryan]

He was. No, he's not Greek Orthodox. I went to University Baptist Church when I was in high school.

[Dan Le Batard]

Was. You didn't kill. That's not a $50 fine.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no. I'm just saying was in the past tense from when I shook his hands.

[Stugats]

No, he recently embraced the devil.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, that's right, Ghost.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's still a nice guy. I think. Larry Coker did not put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Has Larry Coker recently embraced the devil? I don't know. Why Billy Coker?

[Stugats]

Well, because you said he used to be. I was trying to coach him, Mike. Hey, not dead. So when he said he used to be, how did he used to be? Did he die? No, he didn't die. He just, you know, embraced the devil.

[Mike Ryan]

No longer Greek Orthodox coordinator Brian Flores, maybe Coordinator Juice.

[Stugats]

Listen, I'm gonna come right out and say it. I don't know that for a fact. In fact, I may have invented that just for entertainment purposes. I don't know. His stance on the devil. Probably. Probably anti devil.

[Mike Ryan]

Very anti devil from. From my limited engagements with a man.

[Stugats]

Now, if we're pro devil, like whatever, that's you. No judgment here, but I don't think that's.

[Jon Weiner]

I would judge someone who's pro devil.

[Stugats]

Really? Yeah.

[Jon Weiner]

Why put that on me? I'll judge the hell out of you if you're pro devil.

[Stugats]

Why is that?

[Jon Weiner]

Because the devil sucks, man.

[Stugats]

How do you know?

[Jon Weiner]

I. Believe me, I know.

[Stugats]

Have you ever met anyone that you're like, you know what? I heard really bad things about this person. They're not that bad.

[Jon Weiner]

Look, I. I know, I know it's wild Billy Wednesday, you're going to start this shit here. You're going to defend the devil.

[Stugats]

No, I'm not defending the devil. I'm just. I don't know the devil personally. So I don't want to judge or judge others that may have a more intimate relationship with.

[Mike Ryan]

He's already been judged.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't want to judge the devil? I feel like that's an okay one to judge, even if you want to be non judge.

[Stugats]

It's a slippery slope.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think that's slippery slope.

[Stugats]

You ever start with the devil? Condemned guys start with the devil. And then I'm out there and someone telling me, hey, fatso, why are you eating that French toast today?

[Jon Weiner]

And I'm like, whoa, that slope is so dry. It's not slippery.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's on fire too. There's fire all around lava, though.

[Stugats]

Lava, lava. Slippery until it dries.

[Dan Le Batard]

Since 2011, Clemson has had double digit wins every season but one since 2011. So this is why Dabo's mad when people yell at him about losing to a very well coached Georgia Tech team.

[Dabo Swinney]

If they want me gone, if they tired of winning, they can send me on the way because that's all we've done is win. So if they tired of winning, we've had, We've won this league eight out of the last 10 years. Does that not come good? I'm just asking, is that good? I don't know if that's good or not. To win your league eight out of 10 years to go to the playoffs seven out of 10 years. Be in four national championships. Win it twice. Yeah, we look down right now. Take your shots. But I got a long memory in case y' all don't know. We'll be all right. We'll bounce back. This is a program built to last. Always has been, always will be. And I would just say if you give up on us after, if you don't believe on us because we've lost two games down to the last straight and we're one, you didn't believe in us anyway, so it don't matter. You wasn't all in anyway. If you're all in, you burn the ships, man. There ain't no exit strategy like you're freaking all in. And hey, listen, I mean, if Clemson's tired of winning, they send me on my way, but I'm gonna go somewhere else. And coach, I ain't going to the beach. Hell, I'm 55. I got a long way to go. Y' all gonna have to deal with me for a while. Got a long way to go.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just.

[Dabo Swinney]

Just getting going. I'm just now good enough to be a head coach.

[Jon Weiner]

Is there a profession on earth that talks more highly of himself than the college football head coach?

[Stugats]

It's kind of right, though.

[Mike Ryan]

He's absolutely right. He's absolutely right. He did that at Clemson. He beat Nick Saban's Alabama when they were absolutely rolling. He had the season last year that Clemson fans were pining for for three decades. He is absolutely right. I remember what they were saying last year and they ended up winning the ACC and playing admirably well at Texas in the College Football Playoff. He's absolutely right. That guy can stay in charge at Clemson as long as he wants.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's a generation of people who do not know that Clemson used to have a verb, Clemsoning. That was super negative. That the team was going to collapse under every circumstance. That has been eliminated since 2011. They do nothing but double digit wins since 2011. 2011.

[Mike Ryan]

Beat Nick Saban's Alabama twice. Yeah, with DeSean Watson and a true freshman, Trevor Lawrence. And both of which are ass in the pros right now. Ass.

[Jon Weiner]

That is important to point out. He won with two terrible quarterbacks.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, great college NFL quarterback number one, draft terrible. That's why I said right now. But I mean, Trevor Lawrence was a true freshman.

[Dan Le Batard]

Those are not terrible quarterbacks.

[Stugats]

Great college quarterbacks.

[Mike Ryan]

Trevor Lawrence has never look better than he did with Dabo as a freshman. Never looked better.

[Dan Le Batard]

I've been doing this too long. If we're going to take number one draft picks and say that they're terrible college quarterbacks.

[Jon Weiner]

Have you not watched Charlotte Lawrence?

[Mike Ryan]

They're ass right now. Their ass right now. Dabo absolutely should get a lifetime contract from that. Go ahead, let that get away. Alabama will be the first phone call that he gets and with that support system, he'll get that train moving again.

[Stugats]

I think if Trevor Lawrence went back to Clemson today, he would light up college football.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's true. When you say their ass, I believe that the ass gets a bad rap here. I believe that the ass is a very functional thing.

[Jon Weiner]

There's some good ass.

[Dan Le Batard]

There is a lot of.

[Mike Ryan]

They're the badass. Do you want to fight me on Trevor Lawrence and Deshaun Watson being ass? Presently there they are. Ass. Ass.

[Dan Le Batard]

I am fighting you on ass as an insult. The ass is necessary. There are many fine asses. And the way that you guys are describing this right now. And trust, trust me, I had Jacksonville on the money line Sunday. So when he dropped back to pass, what I saw was a body with an ass on top with a face mask. There was an ass on his.

[Tony]

He was wearing number seven, Dan.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what he was wearing. Mike Williams is out of the league now. He's retired. Christian Wilkins ass. I'm just saying those Alabama teams that they beat, they got guys still in the league. We could be talking about a donkey.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know, a mule.

[Jon Weiner]

That type of ass, not all ass is bad. I'm telling you, there's a lot of ass on my algorithm and it ain't that bad.

[Mike Ryan]

He works hard.

[Stugats]

Christian Wilkins is injured and then released from his team because of something weird. Something that we don't exactly know he was expendable.

[Dan Le Batard]

Where is he now? Did he resign?

[Stugats]

Nowhere. I think he's still recovering from whatever his injury was.

[Dan Le Batard]

He kissed someone on the head. That's what allegedly. Okay.

[Mike Ryan]

And other people have gone at. Like you're softening your reporting. That's not actually what happened. There's a whole thing and then the game started. We're like, we don't give a shit anymore.

[Dan Le Batard]

Justin Tucker anywhere. Is someone going to sign Justin Tucker when they get into a panicked situation with me?

[Mike Ryan]

Justin Tucker, I don't know if anybody's kicking situation is going to be that desperate. I'm pretty sure Justin Tucker is done. Done.

[Stugats]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I'd be shocked.

[Stugats]

Yeah. I got ball sacked not too long ago where I'm like, the Browns signed him and then I was. That's why I remember. I Was like, yeah, he's. I was like, no, that was fake.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that the verb you want to use with Justin Tucker that you got ball sacked without any context?

[Stugats]

I think that without any context, no one would know what that meant. Precisely with the context is why it becomes bad.

[Mike Ryan]

You're the problem.

[Stugats]

You made this bad.

[Dan Le Batard]

Um, and UF is this weekend. And while they don't play all the time, I'm old enough to remember when that was the University of Miami's biggest game and biggest rival, that there was no rival bigger than Florida. I think some of that has dissipated. Right, because the games were against Florida State. And Miami doesn't hate Florida State. Bobby Bowden's part of the reason for that. But when you think of rivalries with Miami, Notre Dame goes to a higher level than Florida because all those games in the past were always for the championship. But Florida, Miami is still. I thought that that's why the point spread is where it is, honestly, because people are just giving the money. Is giving respect to the idea that teams that don't like each other and have rivalry games, that those games are often very close or closer than you expect them to be.

[Jon Weiner]

I think sportsbooks are just trying to help boost the economy. That's free money.

[Mike Ryan]

I think it's a perfect line. Florida showed last year that when their backs are up against the wall, they play hard for their head coach. To me, this is my most hated rival. I know it's not the feelings not mutual. Florida, even though they would readily admit that they hate Miami, they'd consider Georgia their biggest rival. I go, I got a Florida, Florida State, Notre Dame, and then like the Virginia Techs of the world. But I think that Florida's defense, the.

[Jon Weiner]

Kids are probably fourth on Georgia's list. Georgia, on Florida's list, they would have Georgia, Tennessee, Florida State, lsu, but only.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because they stopped playing.

[Mike Ryan]

They stopped playing. And this was absolutely Florida's choice to stop playing Miami. Miami would absolutely play Florida every year if they could. And it dates back to the Gator flop. It dates back to recruiting battles. Over the last five years or so, the fiercest battles between these two teams have been on the recruiting trail.

[Jon Weiner]

But why have they been so readily willing over really like the last 10 plus years, 15 even, to start playing again?

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, these were scheduled years ago when Florida had their program running and Miami was desperate to get back to the that level. And it's a, it's a big time moneymaker. I, I think we'll go several years again without seeing these two teams play.

[Jon Weiner]

But is this the last one scheduled?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, last one scheduled.

[Stugats]

I believe this is the big rivalry for the, like you guys are talking about. From the fans perspective. From the players, though, a lot of these kids, like, grew up together. I, I would argue Miami, Florida, like, the players think this is the biggest rival mo.

[Mike Ryan]

Most of the players on this field had a decision to make, do I go to Florida or do I go to Miami? And they pick their side.

[Dan Le Batard]

The way that Florida played, you said they could have won that game and they could have. And it's hard to win a game when your quarterback is throwing five interceptions. I don't know how many there have been in history where your quarterback is.

[Jon Weiner]

Throwing five interceptions, usually get taken out after four.

[Mike Ryan]

Or your. Jared Goff.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have not seen quarterback play that was quite that catastrophic this year. 5. And they were all these throws. All. What you saw on almost all of the throws was, ooh, he's lobbing it in there super soft. And he's just giving a lot of time for that. He doesn't have the AR strength. He thinks Lang White thinks he's got a stronger arm than he does trying to make those throws against the secondary that can move.

[Mike Ryan]

I, I'm a Lagway believer in watching that game live. I haven't done a rewatch, but I do know people that do, like, break down film and they say, like, this guy is broken, but you can tell, like, he entered fall camp. He, we all know about the shoulder injury, but then he got a calf strain. And you can see in his throws, he is not using his lower body to, to throw these balls. And that's why they don't, they don't look the same way. That, and also I think it played a role in his conditioning. DJ Lagway's a big dude. He's like 250 pounds. He's a big guy. And it doesn't look particularly in.

[Dan Le Batard]

You saw the interceptions, though, right? Like the way he's throwing the ball two places where it's a bad throw, bad decision, thrown too softly.

[Jon Weiner]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he's telegraphing in a way that's giving the corners and safety plenty of time to size it up, and they're not there. LSU wasn't making great plays to make those interceptions.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no. In fact, I, I watching that game, I'm like, I think Brian Kelly is maybe not the first question, but is your offense ass also? It's a very reasonable question.

[Dan Le Batard]

I wish someone opened Brian Kelly's next press conference by trying to provoke him. Why is your Offense so ass. Excuse me, Brian.

[Mike Ryan]

We just need one run to not be ass.

[Dan Le Batard]

Did you not see it?

[Mike Ryan]

Did you not see it?

[Jon Weiner]

I already told you, there's a lot of ass out there. That's good. My algorithm.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, you've mentioned this before. I thought it was boobs. I thought your algorithm was boobs.

[Jon Weiner]

There's a lot out there on the algorithm. I don't discriminate.

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