Local Hour: Dan Does Journalism Again

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Local Hour: Dan Does Journalism Again
Release Date: March 5, 2025

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1. Introduction to the Episode

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz dive deep into a blend of sports commentary, pop culture analysis, and personal anecdotes. The hosts, along with their co-hosts Chris Cody, Amin Elhassan, Jeremy Tache, Billy Gil, and Mike Ryan, navigate through discussions ranging from Miami Heat dynamics to dissecting the intricacies of the TV show White Lotus.

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2. Dwayne Wade’s Comments on LeBron James’s Departure

A significant portion of the episode centers around recent statements made by Dwayne Wade regarding LeBron James's decision to leave the Miami Heat. Amin Elhassan brings up a controversial story where Wade allegedly cited micromanagement related to LeBron’s dietary preferences as a factor in his departure.

• Amin Elhassan [05:11]:
  “This sound went viral last week on Dwyane Wade telling the story of when it was that LeBron James decided to leave Miami.”

• Dwyane Wade [06:15]:
  “You don't need to micromanage us.”

Amin challenges the authenticity of Wade’s account by presenting conflicting information from multiple sources within the Miami Heat organization, which vehemently denies the allegations.

• Amin Elhassan [07:07]:
  “It was ice cream. It was not cookies. Pat wasn't the coach. He didn't travel, doesn't know what the food is on the flight.”

The discussion highlights the tension between journalist reporting and internal team narratives, raising questions about the credibility of Wade’s statements.

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3. Miami Heat’s Organizational Culture and Leadership

The hosts delve into the broader implications of Wade's comments on the Miami Heat's culture and leadership under Pat Riley.

• Chris Cody [07:45]:
  “I think choose your truth is exactly why we're in a lot of the problems we're in.”

• Amin Elhassan [09:43]:
  “The Miami Heat believe that in this one instance, Dwyane Wade appears to be lying.”

Stugotz further probes into the unity portrayed by the Miami Heat, questioning the dissonance between their advertised organizational culture and Wade’s claims.

• Stugotz [11:11]:
  “You don't know what they pride themselves on? What they tell me. Culture. How would you define culture?”

The conversation underscores the complexities of maintaining a cohesive team culture in professional sports organizations and the challenges of addressing internal conflicts publicly.

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4. Analysis of the TV Show White Lotus

Transitioning from sports, the hosts analyze the popular TV show White Lotus, focusing on character development and plot progression.

• Chris Cody [02:34]:
  “We'll get to that later. But that is a fact. Their career parallels are crazy.”

• Dan Le Batard [06:33]:
  “They hate each other.”

Chris Cody criticizes the show's pacing and character arcs, arguing that the series suffers from filler episodes that dilute the overall narrative strength.

• Chris Cody [04:00]:
  “It's built off the corpses of a ton of bad teams.”

Meanwhile, the hosts speculate on future plot twists and character fates, blending their insights with humorous banter.

• Dan Le Batard [22:12]:
  “They think that they love each other. But they're realizing, ooh, do we have anything in common?”

The analysis reflects the hosts' keen interest in storytelling and character dynamics, providing listeners with thoughtful critiques and engaging speculation.

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5. Friendships and Personal Relationships

The episode also explores the theme of evolving friendships, especially among old friends reconnecting after long periods apart. The hosts share personal anecdotes and theoretical scenarios about rekindling friendships during trips, highlighting the natural drift that occurs as people grow and change.

• Amin Elhassan [32:31]:
  “I would never go on a trip with anyone I considered a good friend who I have outgrown.”

• Stugotz [33:33]:
  “Imagine a friend group... we're growing apart.”

Jeremy Tache offers a contrasting perspective, recounting a positive reunion experience that reaffirms long-standing friendships.

• Jeremy Tache [35:38]:
  “I just met up with a friend... we hit it right off.”

The discussion underscores the nuanced nature of friendships, acknowledging that while some relationships may fade, others can withstand the test of time and distance.

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6. Final Thoughts and Conclusions

As the episode progresses, the hosts continue to intertwine their discussions on sports, pop culture, and personal insights, maintaining a balance between serious analysis and lighthearted humor. The conversation concludes with reflections on the necessity of adapting narratives in both sports organizations and personal relationships to accommodate evolving circumstances.

• Dan Le Batard [43:20]:
  “Our renewed vows are renewed vows. One of the stops on the freight train.”

• Stugotz [43:35]:
  “This one's way, way, way more radioactive.”

The episode effectively encapsulates the show's signature style, blending in-depth discussions with candid, relatable dialogue, making it a compelling listen for both regular fans and newcomers.

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Notable Quotes:

• Amin Elhassan [05:11]:
  “This was the first moment where I had an inkling that LeBron may not be back.”

• Dan Le Batard [06:15]:
  “You don't need to micromanage us.”

• Chris Cody [07:45]:
  “I think choose your truth is exactly why we're in a lot of the problems we're in.”

• Amin Elhassan [32:31]:
  “I would never go on a trip with anyone I considered a good friend who I have outgrown.”

• Jeremy Tache [35:38]:
  “I just met up with a friend... we hit it right off.”

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Conclusion

This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a multifaceted exploration of current sports narratives, pop culture phenomena, and the evolving landscape of personal relationships. Through insightful discussions and engaging banter, the hosts provide listeners with a comprehensive and entertaining analysis of topics that resonate both within and beyond the sports community.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

Cuervo.

[Amin Elhassan]

Anytime someone says Cuervo, I show up.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I do know that to be true. But even during ad reads like Cuervo, I think he could lay out, especially for one of our great partners.

[Amin Elhassan]

Sweet, delicious Cuervo.

[Mike Ryan]

Since then, Cuervo has stayed true to its roots. The same family, the same land, the same passion.

[Amin Elhassan]

Cuervo.

[Mike Ryan]

So enjoy the tequila that started it all.

[Amin Elhassan]

Cuervo.

[Mike Ryan]

Cuervo, the tequila that invented tequila. Proximo. Cuervo.com, please drink responsibly.

[Amin Elhassan]

Cuervo. Shadow Show.

[Chris Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Shadow Show.

[Chris Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Shadow Show.

[Chris Cody]

Shadow Show.

[Amin Elhassan]

Shadow Show. Shadowing it.

[Chris Cody]

Shadowing it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Chris, I'm a little scared here today because it's a wild Billy Wednesday, and I have been reporting heat news all morning, and I haven't had time to know what was happening in the meeting. So can you get me caught? That's a bad set of ingredients, me not having no idea what's going on and Billy's in charge today.

[Chris Cody]

Well, you've been reporting. Nothing has come out, so you haven't been reporting. You've been asking, you've been poking around.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, I've been doing the reporting so that I can report in a few minutes something that is heat news. But what are you looking at me like that for, Jeremy?

[Billy Gil]

What Heat? Well, I can't wait until after shadows do the reporting.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, but as in reported.

[Amin Elhassan]

But. But what? What has. What do I need to know about today's show? What do we have today?

[Chris Cody]

What?

[Jeremy Tache]

Oh, my God, I have so much. It's the wildest of Billy Wednesdays, he has a cheese conundrum. Jess thinks Jimmy Butler's good. Amin wants to talk about Kyrie. There's just so much to talk about. I'm out on red foods. I mean, there's just everything. There's a ton to get to, like red.

[Chris Cody]

Like coloring in foods or red velvet. Like an apple.

[Jeremy Tache]

A red apple.

[Chris Cody]

Can you eat an apple?

[Jeremy Tache]

I'm not going to get to it all now. I'm just teasing the topic.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, we're going to tease it for later, but Amin and I were also working on a list of characters we most want to see. Die in White Lotus and least want to see.

[Chris Cody]

Die in White Lotus has so many filler episodes. Way too many filler episodes. We can get to filler episodes later because. How about we just do a four episode season where something happens every episode? Not one where I'm just watching.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't appreciate the craft.

[Billy Gil]

You don't think that.

[Chris Cody]

No, I don't.

[Stugotz]

I'm not.

[Chris Cody]

I. Look, I didn't come to a museum. I came to Max. I'm not here to watch art. I'm here to watch a show. Entertain me. Mike White. Okay, I watched you on Amazing Race. Let's pick up the pace a little bit.

[Jeremy Tache]

So we have that character development.

[Stugotz]

Two words.

[Billy Gil]

A 23. College baseball.

[Jeremy Tache]

Billy says Jeff Conine is Dwyane Wade.

[Billy Gil]

I mean, that's true, that's true.

[Chris Cody]

We'll get to that later. But that is a fact. Their career parallels are crazy.

[Stugotz]

Walk around shirtless a lot.

[Jeremy Tache]

I watched the first four episodes of Paradise.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, you in, dude?

[Jeremy Tache]

I'm so in.

[Stugotz]

Can't wait to talk about this. Oh, my God. Been waiting weeks for you people to learn what TV is.

[Jeremy Tache]

Amin has thoughts on Mina Kimes and Adrien Brody. Oh, I know that was. He was texting me about that. It's nonsense what you said. I can't wait to get to that.

[Billy Gil]

I can't believe you agreed with Trump on Pete Rose.

[Chris Cody]

That too.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, that was.

[Billy Gil]

That's one we can get into later if you'd like, Dan, because that was crazy.

[Stugotz]

Dan's.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jeremy's right.

[Stugotz]

Feverishly writing all of these down. He's like, this is good.

[Jeremy Tache]

Around the horn. Sad day.

[Chris Cody]

I knew that one, though.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm reporting Amin. I'm not writing any of this shit down. We're not doing any of this.

[Stugotz]

Oh, oh, excuse me.

[Chris Cody]

Says you're not a journalist once. And all of a sudden here we.

[Amin Elhassan]

Are reporting news one day later.

[Stugotz]

Right?

[Billy Gil]

I thought journalism died yesterday.

[Jeremy Tache]

And finally Ben Affleck and Jennifer Garner might get back together.

[Amin Elhassan]

What?

[Jeremy Tache]

Let's start the.

[Chris Cody]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast.

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, in my career covering the Miami Heat, I have never had so many people in an organization reach out to me from different pockets of the organization in order to have something clarified. Can you please play the sound of Dwayne Wade? And I don't know why Dwayne is doing this. And I don't know what the reaction to it has been anywhere, but this sound went viral last week on Dwyane Wade telling the story of when it was that LeBron James decided to leave Miami.

[Dwyane Wade]

This was the first moment where I had an inkling that LeBron may not be back. One thing you don't do is with LeBron cookies. No, no, no, no, no. This is serious. Like, he loves chocolate chip cookies. Like, chocolate chip cookies and ice cream. He loves. Right. And so when he gets on the plane, Brian walks on the plane with a bag of food. One bag is all cookies, and the other bags are what his chef has prepared for him to eat. Cause he eats a certain way. He don't eat what's on the plane. But, you know, he have his cookies. So we get on the plane, and we play cards. At the front of the plane, we play cards. And then at some point, Bronco be like, hey, bring me those cookies. And this one day, he was like, hey, where my cookies at? And they had to come up there and whisper his ear and tell them they want no more cookies on the plane. Yeah, that set back away from the game. He pushed that table that cars back. He sat there quiet, doing his head like this. I was looking. I'm like. It was too much micromanaging at that point. Like, you're talking about a team who's four finals in a row.

[Chris Cody]

Right.

[Dwyane Wade]

You don't need to micromanage us.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't know what the truth is there. That may indeed be Dwyane Wade's truth. The Miami Heat could not more vigorously deny all of this. Dwayne Wade, that story is not true.

[Stugotz]

Wait, he just said, I don't know. I don't know what the truth is.

[Amin Elhassan]

I am getting from too many different sources, too much differing information from what it is that Dwyane Wade is alleging. There.

[Chris Cody]

There's more reporting than this, right? This is the reporting cookie gate.

[Dan Le Batard]

Jeremy thought you were going to report that Pat Riley had cancer or something like he was. He was freaking out back here.

[Billy Gil]

I was panicked.

[Chris Cody]

Jump to conclusions here.

[Stugotz]

We didn't say the C word. We just said is Pat Riley okay.

[Chris Cody]

Well, the C word's cookies. Dan reported that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, that's. That's one fact that's wrong. It was not cookies.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, so it did happen, but it wasn't cookies.

[Amin Elhassan]

It was ice cream.

[Chris Cody]

Ooh.

[Billy Gil]

He did say he loves his cookies and ice cream.

[Amin Elhassan]

It was ice cream. It was not cookies. Pat wasn't the coach. He didn't travel, doesn't know what the food is on the flight. It was the nutritionist, not Pat. And this one. This one.

[Stugotz]

It's not great leadership.

[Amin Elhassan]

Everyone knows this. This is what I was told. Everyone knows that Pat would have eaten those cookies himself because of how much he loves chocolate chip cookies. So the story just has no truth to it. So I ask you guys, what's happening there? Is Wade just making stuff up for the store, didn't like the micromanaging and is making up a story, or I.

[Billy Gil]

Think he confused the cookies and the ice cream. Right. This is a clear case of just forgetting which dessert that LeBron loved that was actually confiscated. The story remains the same. The Heat, micromanaging, LeBron James. But at the end of the day, there's a difference between cookies and ice cream.

[Amin Elhassan]

Can we eradicate at the end of the day around here?

[Billy Gil]

Look, at the end of the day, sometimes you need filler words.

[Jeremy Tache]

This nutritionist needs to stand down.

[Amin Elhassan]

You don't.

[Jeremy Tache]

You don't though that nutritionist.

[Billy Gil]

We'll jump on you every time you have filler words.

[Chris Cody]

Dan, that is ridiculous. You need to. White Lotus, I mean, has shown us you just need filler sometimes. Get to eight episodes. Let's throw in a three or four. Nothing happens. Weird incest situation going on with White Lotus this season. I don't know what the hell going on. I don't know who's gonna kill who.

[Dan Le Batard]

There's a lot of filler in that show. And I'm not talking about the episodes being long sometimes.

[Stugotz]

Yikes. Judgy sergeant semantics at work here, right? It wasn't cookies. That's a lie, Dwayne. What?

[Amin Elhassan]

You're lying.

[Stugotz]

It wasn't cookies. Had never happened with cookies. Happened with ice cream. Like, come on, man.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, the story didn't happen.

[Stugotz]

Oh, then why do we. Why did we just spend it according.

[Amin Elhassan]

To the Miami Heat? I don't know what's true there. You tell me what's true. I'm not a journalist anymore.

[Stugotz]

You just told me that it wasn't Pat Riley. It was the nutritionist, and it wasn't cookies. It was. It was ice cream.

[Amin Elhassan]

And now you're saying I'm telling you that it couldn't have been cookies. It could. The story, as it's told, could not have been cookies. It could not been a cookie story. According to my sources. I've got more sources on this story than I've ever had on a story. It's confusing to me the number of people who are reaching out and telling me that Dwyane Wade story that didn't happen. That's not true.

[Billy Gil]

So the extra detail isn't just, hey, the story didn't happen.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's.

[Billy Gil]

And if the story happened, it couldn't have been cookies. It would have had to be ice cream.

[Amin Elhassan]

And Pat Riley would have stolen him because everyone knows what a sweet tooth he had.

[Stugotz]

Okay, let me turn it to big city lawyer here. Give me the suspenders on. Now, you see, Dan Levittard, you just told us that Pat Riley loves his cookies. But you also told us a moment ago that Pat Riley wasn't traveling with the team. So how could he have eaten the mystery cookies on the plane, Mr. Levitar?

[Amin Elhassan]

He would have if he had been on the plane. He wasn't on the plane.

[Chris Cody]

Well, I don't know that a defense to murder is. I would have killed this person if I had the chance to.

[Jeremy Tache]

I am so out on this nutritionist. It's their fault that LeBron left.

[Chris Cody]

So, Dan, put your name on it. Dwyane Wade's a liar. Say it. Report that.

[Amin Elhassan]

No. You could put.

[Chris Cody]

No, I'm not doing any reporting. I tend to believe Dwyane Wade on this situation. I think that something happened here. And you're just coming out here saying a lot of people have reached out to me and said, there's nothing to see here.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't.

[Stugotz]

Move along.

[Chris Cody]

Dwayne Wade's full of it.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't know what's true. I don't know what's not true.

[Chris Cody]

It sounds like you picked a side on this.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm reporting the other side. The one side has been told. The other side, from every crevice of the organization, is denying that that story is true. You choose your truth. I'm giving you both truths. The Miami Heat believe that in this one instance, Dwyane Wade appears to be lying.

[Chris Cody]

I think choose your truth is exactly why we're in a lot of the problems we're in.

[Stugotz]

Redirect, your honor. Dan Levitar, what is the slogan of the Miami Heat?

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't know what the slogan.

[Stugotz]

You don't know what they pride themselves on? What they tell me. Culture. How would you define culture? Would you find a lot of dissonance in culture, or would you find a lot of unanimity?

[Amin Elhassan]

Unanimity, yes.

[Stugotz]

Okay, so you are telling me that you have multiple sources from an organization that prides itself as speaking as one?

[Amin Elhassan]

That's correct.

[Stugotz]

Hmm. Curious.

[Chris Cody]

Curious.

[Amin Elhassan]

You are an excellent attorney, sir. I've fallen under your questioning the suspenders.

[Chris Cody]

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[Amin Elhassan]

There'S nothing official and conversations are still ongoing.

[Chris Cody]

Was that a fake chef dirt? Because it was pretty good.

[Stugotz]

It was excellent.

[Chris Cody]

I feel like there's legs.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah, I tried at the beginning and then I lost confidence in it.

[Jeremy Tache]

It was good.

[Chris Cody]

It was good. You got this.

[Amin Elhassan]

Nothing official.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

So good. Conversations are still ongoing. Stugats it is trending towards Nick Sirianni remaining the head coach of the Eagles.

[Chris Cody]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm cur curious the rest of you, how it is that this is going to end in Miami. Like what are your thoughts as Jimmy Butler is 9 and 1 at Golden State? They win in New York last night. Golden State looks great and doesn't need very much from Jimmy Butler to look great. And so in a 10 game sample, Jessica's fallen in love with Jimmy Butler because Jimmy Butler can now wreak vengeance on all of Miami and can be the winner of culture as the the cult vigorously defends Pat Riley's right to eat whatever sugars he pleases.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I really don't have a lot of like skin in the game and in the NBA, but just kicking us when we're down. The warriors winning a championship with Jimmy would be really, really, really funny just to watch Jeremy.

[Billy Gil]

I think it'd be kind of cool.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, stop it.

[Billy Gil]

No, I mean it would be cool. Oh, watching Jimmy get to play 30 games and then go on another 30 game run like this is the perfect thing to get the maximum Jimmy Butler.

[Amin Elhassan]

I was having a disagreement with Amin most of last season because it seemed obvious to me that the young people were going to take over the league. But the idea that the Lakers and Golden State could get back into the game with Steph and LeBron get back into the game because their teams appear to be generally good and old. Right. Because I don't know what you guys when you're watching these games, I mean, Luka and LeBron last night, they win by 20 against New Orleans. They make it look easy. Luke has not been efficient and I haven't seen these particular numbers before. LeBron plays 34 minutes and is plus 7. Luka plays 33 minutes and is plus 37. I didn't watch the game, but I assume that when Luka was out there by himself without LeBron, yes, the Lakers looked like the Finals Mavs.

[Stugotz]

They look, they looked a lot better. Yes.

[Amin Elhassan]

Without LeBron out there.

[Stugotz]

Correct. Yes.

[Amin Elhassan]

Because Lucas played nothing but inefficient games so far and they played low scoring offensive games. But right now I'm guessing just from looking at box scores because I'm not watching those games. I'm guessing they're still playing through LeBron and Lukas trying to figure that out. Correct.

[Jeremy Tache]

Box score wise.

[Billy Gil]

I'll tell you, Dan, to support your theory on Luka's dominance, Lakers have a pretty storied history. A lot of players done a lot of things. He's the first Lakers player ever to, in one game score 30 plus points, dish out 15 plus assists, grab five five plus rebounds, make five plus threes and be plus 30 or better in the same game ever in the history of the Lakers.

[Amin Elhassan]

I was confused by the box score. I'm going to say it again. LeBron 34 minutes plus seven. Luca, 33 minutes plus 37. Did it mean that when LeBron wasn't on the floor, Luka put up 30 straight points?

[Stugotz]

Well, no, he didn't put up 30 straight points, but the team performed at a more appreciating rate than when LeBron was out there with him.

[Amin Elhassan]

Because Luka is a good deal better than LeBron.

[Stugotz]

No, I wouldn't go all the way.

[Amin Elhassan]

At this stage in his career, Luke is a good deal better as an offensive player than LeBron. I mean, that is no indictment of LeBron.

[Stugotz]

I think it, I mean it's. When you talk about plus minuses, right, that's not necessarily a met. Especially raw plus minus. That's not a good metric for who's the better player. There's a ton of factors in there. Who's on the floor with you, who's on the floor against you and how you were used in those moments. But yes, we can say that the team performed better in those non LeBron minutes, which is a big thing because if you think about where the Lakers have struggled in the past, you know, handful of years same place where the warriors had struggled which is when LeBron or Steph are not on the floor, things go wrong. And now both of those teams have acquired someone who has essentially not only negated that negative but turned it into a positive that's even greater than when those guys are on the floor.

[Amin Elhassan]

You guys do realize right that the only way for drummed up storyline drama that the NBA needs to carry some momentum into crowning a champion that feels a little more fulfilling than Boston or Denver Winning is LeBron and Steph getting back in the game actually making a run and making a seven game series out of no, we we'd still like to have the league. I just don't think of either of those two teams as being anywhere near as good as what Oklahoma City is.

[Stugotz]

Oklahoma City is the best team. They have no weaknesses. There are no way if this happens then they could really. We're doing that with a lot of teams out there. Well if they can get this out of so and so with Oklahoma City it's like nope, we're ready. We've got it all. Everything you could ask for. Bigs, guards, wings, three point shooting, free getting to the free throw line, defense, versatility. They have it all. Even experience which was a thing last year where we said I don't think they're quite ready yet. Now they've got that as well. Cleveland similarly, I think pretty much has everything answered there. Everyone else we're doing some sort of mental gymnastic right now as it stands there's a high likelihood if the Lakers stay at two that they're going to play the warriors in the first round which would be two versus seven assuming the warriors get out of the play in the only way that could get mixed around is if either the Lakers fall to three or if the warriors end up being the eight seed instead of the seventh seed in which case they'd have to play the Thunder in the first round.

[Amin Elhassan]

But I want to get into the Jimmy Butler of it with you guys because Golden State went for from being something that was middling was around 500 below middling. Steph obviously needed help to obviously an injection of something that has made them 9 and 1 and I, I Carl Anthony Towns didn't play last night so and New York was at 100 something like that. That's not that offensive team. Mitchell Robinson is back like the Knicks are formidable and they will be a different team in the playoffs when they are. When they are healthy. But. But you're seeing what from Golden State, you're seeing something that when we talk about teams being ready, young teams being ready, historically, something like Golden State is exactly the kind of thing that knocks off a young team expected to win a championship that hasn't played in any game Sevens that any of us have thought about. The team that gets knocked off there is run by people like Jimmy Butler, Draymond Green, Steph Curry, who have played in 400 of these.

[Stugotz]

You play against the old caged lion, the old cornered tiger, right? And it's got one tooth and it's all scraggly, but then you get in its reach and it gets you by the neck. And that's what absolutely the warriors, and to an extent the Lakers are as well, is that, you know, in the regular season, Dan, a lot of people make a lot big deal about your regular season. What was your net rating, what was your offensive rating? But the reality is that's built off of the corpses of a ton of bad teams. Like, everyone's got it. Every good stat you see from any team, a lot of it is built on, yeah, we beat up on the bad teams. When you get to the playoffs, there are two things that happen. Number one, there are no more bad teams for the most part. Number two is during the regular season, we're going from game to game and changing game plans. Basically, like, once we're done with the Knicks game, boom, we're done. We're thinking about the Bucs tomorrow and there is a kind of a transience of our attention span, but we'll get to the playoffs. Everybody in our organization, players, coaches, scouts, we're all just worried about you. You're our opponent. And so what ends up happening is things that happen in the regular season don't really matter as much. All that matters is can you counter and can you continue to adjust? A great example of this was however long ago it was Oklahoma City versus Portland. Oklahoma City had beaten the Blazers three times out of four times in the regular season. And so conventional wisdom would say OKC higher seed OKC had beaten Portland three out of four times. They're going to win. But Portland matched up great. And that was the Damian Leder Wade bye bye series because the matchups and because the lack of adjustments Oklahoma City made. So similarly, when you talk about what's going to befell, maybe the Cavs or maybe the Thunder, it would probably be a team like this. It's the meme of the old man and say, call an ambulance. Call an ambulance. Call an. But not for me. That's exactly what the warriors are.

[Chris Cody]

What's Walton Goggins deal this episode? Like, we don't really know what's going on. He needs to get to Bangkok. For some reason, he's interested in, like, the owner of the hotel, but it seems like he's more interested in the owner of the hotel's husband.

[Dan Le Batard]

Husband. I think they're trying to make you think that the husband perhaps is involved in Greg's Gary now father's death.

[Chris Cody]

There's a lot going on. Oh, is that what it is?

[Dan Le Batard]

So how interested are you in the fan theories?

[Chris Cody]

Because I haven't looked into any of them yet, which is maybe why so confused, but those will probably confuse me even more.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Then we're just releasing snakes.

[Stugotz]

What's up with the snakes?

[Chris Cody]

I can't figure out if his girlfriend's teeth are real or fake.

[Dan Le Batard]

They are real and they're spectacular. Yes.

[Chris Cody]

A bit distracting at times.

[Dan Le Batard]

She's amazing.

[Chris Cody]

She's been great. But I love the first episode when.

[Dan Le Batard]

The one woman was like, I love your teeth.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

I couldn't believe it. I couldn't believe it. Anyway, so, Goggins, you think that the husband.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, there's a lot of theories. Perhaps the husband is a nemesis of some sort and he's seeking revenge. Perhaps her husband is his father that he thought was dead.

[Stugotz]

That's what I think it is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Perhaps none of the above, because sometimes the show gives you 10 red herrings and then none of them really end up mattering. And then something completely different happens. By the end of the show, there's.

[Chris Cody]

A whole will they, won't they? With the massage therapist too that's going on there. Will they.

[Dan Le Batard]

Lots of tension.

[Chris Cody]

Can I put it on Juju? Can you put on the poll? Will they.

[Stugotz]

That little friend group, by the way, lots of knives, lots of good writing groups.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, they hate each other.

[Stugotz]

They hate each other.

[Dan Le Batard]

They really do. But they think that they love each other.

[Chris Cody]

They don't.

[Dan Le Batard]

But they're realizing, ooh, do we have anything in common?

[Chris Cody]

Honestly? Probably the most relatable relationship on this show, I think. Right? Yeah, I've seen Sad, sad admission. I think we can almost relate to that group. Right, Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, you have friends that you don't see that much. You all have your own lives. You all live in different places. You've all kind of gone your own way. And then you're like, we need to.

[Stugotz]

Do a girls trip.

[Dan Le Batard]

And then you all do a girls trip one year. And then you're like, oh, my God. I actually don't really?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. I hate all these people.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, they're grown apart.

[Stugotz]

I relate more to Walton Goggins. I want to release Snake.

[Chris Cody]

Really? I'm trying to figure out like. Cuz, I mean, we know because of the way that the first episode starts, right, that someone comes in and there's just like a mass shooting is what it seems like is going on.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Some sort of during.

[Amin Elhassan]

During meditation and yoga there. Someone is shooting a gun and then I think a bot. Doesn't a body float through? And that's where the episode starts.

[Jeremy Tache]

Spoiler alert.

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, no, if you're familiar, it's the first scene. If you're familiar with the show at all, the opening scene of the first episode of each season, a dead body floats somewhere or there's like a reveal that someone has died. In the first season it was, oh, there's a body going on the plane. And then the whole season you're like, who. Who's the dead body leaving the island? So you're wondering the whole time who it is. And then they just throw all these characters at you for like eight episodes. And then the last episode, there's finally something happens to Billy's point. There's a lot. It's a slow burn.

[Chris Cody]

That robbery is going to be connected to something down the road. 100%.

[Stugotz]

I think it was. It was a hoax, folks.

[Chris Cody]

Really?

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Billy Gil]

Inside job.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, no, it's. It's something that.

[Chris Cody]

It's the security guards.

[Dan Le Batard]

Perhaps one of the employees who was distracted. That's right, Security guard was in on it. Or perhaps the woman who was in the changing room who is a. In a relationship, Gary. Maybe she's in on it.

[Chris Cody]

Perhaps. Perhaps they're in a real relationship. She's French. Well, Goggins from Canada.

[Dan Le Batard]

Goggins was like, she's obviously an escort. And. And his girlfriend was like, no, they're in love.

[Chris Cody]

She's the best character. Right? Goggins girlfriend.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, she's number one on my list of people I least want to see die.

[Amin Elhassan]

Ooh.

[Chris Cody]

What if the dad, the like, dad that now we see in the preview for the next episode. Spoiler alert. Is going to be like, addicted to pills. His wife's pills, which he keeps saying no to. But then he's going behind her back and taking anything.

[Stugotz]

You know what I call him? Kenny Wins business partner. I remember Kenny Winn's name. I have no idea what his.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, that Kenny Wins situation.

[Dan Le Batard]

I call him Malfoy. Because he's Malfoy. He's Malfoy.

[Chris Cody]

I don't Want to give. You know, Kenny wins business part. But, like, the solution is don't go home. You're fine, dude. You're good.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're in Thailand.

[Chris Cody]

You got away with it. Just stay there. Stay on vacation forever.

[Dan Le Batard]

I have another fan. Be like Gary Greg, I have another theory for you that I saw if you. There's no spoilers in this because we don't know what's going to happen yet. We're only in episode three, but however.

[Chris Cody]

And nothing happened.

[Dan Le Batard]

Nothing is. Nothing ever.

[Chris Cody]

Nothing ever happened. Guy goes out, he makes secret phone calls. That's the whole show so far.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's. He's embroiled in some siblings maybe have.

[Chris Cody]

A thing going on there. You see Schwarzenegger's like, top of his wiener.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, he's. He's number one on the characters I most want to.

[Chris Cody]

Dude, he's a weirdo.

[Dan Le Batard]

And he's also. He's also 2 through 5.

[Chris Cody]

Here's the thing about him. I'm sorry, but here's the thing about him. I saw a video how. How proud he was like, to get the role. And he was like telling his mom and his sister, like, I got the role. And they're like all crying and so happy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Found out what the role was and he was like, oh, no.

[Chris Cody]

And then like, you see the top of his weiner in the first episode and like, if I'm in a show and you're seeing the top of my winner first episode, the last thing I'm doing is telling my mom and my sister, come, come and tune in.

[Dan Le Batard]

Also, Mike White must be a basketball fan or just interested in sports in some way because he made them all Duke people and it's very unflattering.

[Chris Cody]

No, than Carolina.

[Dan Le Batard]

Except for Parker Posey, who's a Carolina fan. Anyway, anyways, I digress. The theory was in the first episode she mentions that they normally vacation the Caribbean, but this year they went to Thailand. And so perhaps she's aware that her husband's into financial crimes and she's already stowed their money away in the Cayman Islands on previous vacations and now they're going to be staying abroad because they can't get extradited from Thailand. Question mark.

[Chris Cody]

The daughter that's there to kind of do like the book report or whatever. She seems like the only pure character on the show. Right?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah. Her and Amy.

[Billy Gil]

That's the concern.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right?

[Chris Cody]

There's skeletons there.

[Billy Gil]

There has to be a twist.

[Stugotz]

Security guard who got hit on the head. He's the purest guy. No.

[Billy Gil]

Yeah, he's a Sweetheart, I feel so bad.

[Chris Cody]

Maybe he's gogging.

[Dan Le Batard]

Or Belinda. I like Belinda.

[Stugotz]

Belinda's always pure.

[Chris Cody]

Which one's Belinda?

[Dan Le Batard]

Belinda is the one who's Tanya's masseuse in the first season.

[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

This is the Don Lebatard with the Stugach.

[Stugotz]

I just want to point out that before Dan claims he's doing reporting journalism, taking notes, he was just furiously scribbling on his paper the whole time.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, well, there's cookies to report on.

[Amin Elhassan]

So I was getting more heat information there. I also just wanted to get Rocky Road my names right on what it is that we're referring to. Escort sex worker. And Amin's choice was a woman of the night, which I have not heard since my father was trying to explain it to me as a child. I was, I don't know, 41 years old, and my father be on a.

[Jeremy Tache]

Fly on a wall for that conversation.

[Amin Elhassan]

My father said, a lady of the night, and I didn't know what it meant. I didn't understand. I was too young to understand. Does anyone still refer to it the way that Amin just did?

[Dan Le Batard]

They're just whores.

[Stugotz]

No, they're not.

[Amin Elhassan]

A woman of the night.

[Dan Le Batard]

I agree with you, Amin. They use the word escort in the show, which is why I said escort. But I think sex workers, what people.

[Stugotz]

Say, most people say was out of line.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hookers definitely don't say woman of the night.

[Stugotz]

Hookers is what.

[Chris Cody]

Really? That's bad.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, but I had not heard it. But I had not heard it since my father said it. And Amin's aging caught me a bit off guard.

[Stugotz]

Let's be clear. I don't call the women of the night. I think it's a funny way to euphemism the term.

[Chris Cody]

So, like, they're not trollops, because trollops just do the work for free.

[Stugotz]

Correct?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes, that's exactly the other thing I wanted to ask you about. The derailment is I was. And I gotta think the audience is gonna side with me here. Your cynicisms about three old friends getting together and hating each other and that being relatable cannot be the experience of old friends everywhere.

[Chris Cody]

Your naivete is so cute.

[Amin Elhassan]

It can't be the. The. The experience of old friends everywhere. Am I wrong about just women?

[Billy Gil]

I just watched people in my family also. What?

[Amin Elhassan]

Just women?

[Chris Cody]

No, no. I think.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think it's. Have you never, like, lost a friendship over your life because you've grown apart?

[Chris Cody]

Of course. No, no.

[Amin Elhassan]

But I wouldn't go on a trip with those people. Like, I wouldn't discover that on a trip.

[Jeremy Tache]

Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think these people are very wealthy and they're in denial that they aren't. Or at least don't have anything in common anymore. And they're also, again, very wealthy. So they can afford this, you know, all inclusive trip to Thailand.

[Amin Elhassan]

I would never go on a trip with anyone I considered a good friend who I have outgrown.

[Stugotz]

But then you're, you're saying that as someone who knows you've outgrown certain people. Imagine a friend group. You guys live in different places, so you don't see each other all the time, but you're in a group text, so you're always talking and all the time you're like, hey, we were best of friends once upon a time. But because we're apart, we don't have those social, in person experiences. We are growing apart. So one of the friends is going to church. It might be maga, right? One of the friends is a Hollywood actress and she's having a great time and the other one is going through a divorce, right? And so we all were in contact all the time. Of course we're friends, but because we haven't spent that time together, restaurants and bars and all those things, we're growing apart. So we, like, you know, we should rekindle it. Let's. We haven't hung out in so long together. Guess what? We're going to Thailand. And then you go and as you're talking, you begin to notice things, right? You notice things. And slash, you've had opinions that you've kept to yourself because it was in the group chat, you didn't want to put in the group chat. Like, yo, your husband left you because of this and yo, since you went to Hollywood, you think you're different and yo, you're MAGA now.

[Amin Elhassan]

Old age, I thought, was at least in part something with friendship that you discard them along the way until you've only got the ones you want to travel with later in life. Like that's, that's what old friends are, I thought.

[Billy Gil]

But those are friends. Since seemingly, it looks like, like middle school, high school age, they've grown up together. They've gone on to live their own individual, wealthy lives. And maybe the last time they got together five, six years ago, things were a little different in what their lives were and in what the lives of everyone was. And now five or six years later, some things have changed and opinions have changed and now you don't have those friends.

[Mike Ryan]

Jeremy.

[Stugotz]

The other thing, Dan, is I don't think they're old like we did this old. They're not old people.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're younger than you, they're younger than me.

[Stugotz]

These are Women, I don't know how old you are, but, yeah, probably in their late 30s. So old enough to. That there's been time apart from one another, but not quite old. Like to the point where you're saying, well, look, I've excommunicated all the people I don't want in my life.

[Amin Elhassan]

Late 30s struck me as old friends. Like, if you've had friends into your late 30s, you've had friends for a long time. I don't know.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, it depends when you met them. Like if they're from childhood into the 30s, they've been friends, you know, essentially their entire lives.

[Amin Elhassan]

If you're. Look, Billy, I can't even imagine who you'd travel with, but I wouldn't, I.

[Chris Cody]

Wouldn'T travel to Thailand with my family. Like, I'm not getting on a flight that long. Get out of here. Crazy.

[Amin Elhassan]

Like, so you are of this age. And if I said, Billy went to Thailand with some old friends, I go.

[Chris Cody]

To Thailand, I committed crimes.

[Stugotz]

That means Kenny Win is in business with Billy.

[Chris Cody]

If I, If I'm in Thailand, find my Kenny Win.

[Amin Elhassan]

All right, so you're.

[Chris Cody]

And you'll never see me again.

[Amin Elhassan]

You're simply not gonna entertain. I'll be Bobby the hypothetical.

[Chris Cody]

I'm gonna pull out the Greg Gary situation. Yes. And Dan, I'm here for you.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes. I don't, I don't want you here.

[Chris Cody]

No one wants to be my friend.

[Amin Elhassan]

Chris Cody, if you were to go on a trip to Thailand.

[Jeremy Tache]

Yes.

[Amin Elhassan]

With some friends right now, those people, what are the chances that you would look across at any of them and be so distant from knowing that person that you would learn on that trip that you had outgrown that person?

[Jeremy Tache]

It's funny, cuz. I just met up with a friend in ge, in Epcot that I hadn't seen in a long time. And we, we hit it right off. It was like we never missed a day, honestly. One of my oldest friends, he now lives in the Orlando area. And it was great. We had like six hours together. Our family, our daughters were running together. It was like the highlight of the show.

[Amin Elhassan]

But six hours is different than what these women are doing.

[Jeremy Tache]

That's true.

[Chris Cody]

He was just in Germany.

[Jeremy Tache]

It was in Germany, Italy. We saw the world, actually.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't understand what part of this you can't relate. Relate to.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, it's not, it's not even. It's not even that I can't relate to it. I just disagree with your universal consensus of we all agree, right, that if old friends do this. This is totally relatable. And I'm just like, is it?

[Chris Cody]

I mean, it was partially for joke, but, like, that's real life. Like, people's friends, like, move away. Not everybody lives in the same city forever. And you don't. Like, as life goes on and their, you know, careers advance and the families grow and whatever, you don't stay in touch with them as often as you did. And sometimes you just say, you know what, it's been 10 years. Like, let's hang out to rekindle the old times. And then you find out, like, wow, everybody's life has changed a lot. And I don't know if these are the same people that I'm not in.

[Dan Le Batard]

College anymore, where it's easy. You just live down the street from a bunch of people that are your age. And it's just. You don't. Like, you commiserate over chemistry class. Like, life's happened.

[Jeremy Tache]

Do we avoid politics? Yes, but we make it through.

[Stugotz]

That's the other thing. There's a lot of times where you're like, I don't even wanna risk knowing what the politics are.

[Chris Cody]

Let's talk about nothing.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, let's.

[Chris Cody]

And just make jokes from 15 years ago. So we leave this all having a good time. I want to know as little about you as possible right now.

[Stugotz]

You know who else has grown apart? Dan in journalism. You walked in here eager to break Heat news, and all it was was the mildest of corrections over a podcast episode that, quite frankly, as someone who works in basketball, that one escaped me because I don't think it really made waves like that. No, nobody cares about the story.

[Chris Cody]

Tread lightly on this one. I'm telling you, because this is Dan's mo. He's gonna drop a bomb with, like, a minute left in the segment. Like, he started out with the cookies so that you do this, and then you say something silly or stupid, and then boom, egg on your face. Because he drops the real news right as the hour is about to end. And then you're like, oh, my God, I can't believe you let me put my foot in my mouth and say that. And then he's, like, reporting jazz hands, and then it's like some big thing. Just be careful. We've been down this road before journalism died.

[Amin Elhassan]

It would be amazing if I then did Jeremy's dark report at the end. Like, hey, how great is that?

[Billy Gil]

Let's make it abundantly clear. Not my dark report, just my fear.

[Chris Cody]

There's time. Time. Four minutes still.

[Amin Elhassan]

But I. I actually came in here Wanting to talk about. I actually wanted to come talk about the mortality of Jimmie Johnson and Pat Riley.

[Stugotz]

They're both.

[Chris Cody]

You understand our thinking then, right? Because, like, we were prompted with that and we're like, we're gonna do this. And then you're like, hold on. I've been doing a lot of reporting this morning and I wanna do a big mortality episode. Like, okay, well, someone's dying.

[Stugotz]

I whispered it to Billy's ear. You're right. You're right.

[Chris Cody]

That was an off air hypothesis of mine that I've been working on for a little bit.

[Amin Elhassan]

But I. It would be in poor form if the punchline at the end of this was the. The reported news that somebody we care about is sick. I am not going to do that.

[Stugotz]

That.

[Amin Elhassan]

What is it? What is happening?

[Chris Cody]

You tap.

[Dan Le Batard]

But you would do that.

[Chris Cody]

It's even worse.

[Amin Elhassan]

I would not do that. That is untrue, Dan.

[Chris Cody]

This happened once before.

[Stugotz]

Martin shot at Harvard.

[Chris Cody]

No. The day that his brother passed, he was in here joking with us the entire morning, like, if nothing was wrong, and then just did it on air. And we're like, what? Yeah, we were. We were like joking around in the kitchen and we felt terrible, obviously. So that's why we're all treading lightly, because we're like, we don't know how this segment's gonna end.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, but you're gonna be disappointed. E. Well, I'm never going to be.

[Chris Cody]

Disappointed if someone's staying alive.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, but you're going to be disappointed because it's not going to be this heat news that you crave of somebody important dying.

[Chris Cody]

I don't want that news is what I'm telling you. But it's not what I want. But I know you're. I know your tricks. No, I know your tricks, old dog.

[Amin Elhassan]

There. You don't. You evidently don't know my tricks.

[Chris Cody]

Now you're holding off until tomorrow. I know these tricks. You're hoping that these people stay alive long enough to not be found out. Out.

[Amin Elhassan]

Please stop this music. I'm not going to report that anyone is dying or that anyone is sick. And now I'm not going to report anything. At the end of this segment, I'm going to try and regather myself because this is all taking a dark turn. That White Lotus Sunday nights on. Max, we are talking. Can you guys do a show with me instead of against me?

[Stugotz]

Like you don't want this show.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, I know. I want that. I want the joke that Billy made in your ear. If it's gonna distract Me. If you're gonna. If you're gonna do that. Okay. If you're gonna break character. Look, the last time you guys did this is the single best joke in the history of this show. If you had made it. No, no. The last time this happened was while Jessica was fishing. And it. It. It's the. I wish that. That joke that you told to me that made him break character then had been said on the air.

[Stugotz]

This one's way, way, way more radioactive.

[Amin Elhassan]

This one's worse than that one.

[Chris Cody]

This one was told to me by someone else, and I was like, I'm not doing that. So I gave it to me to see if he would do it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay. But it can't distract me when I'm in the middle of talking about my mentors in this business in coaching and mortality. Like, it can't be that. It can't be so loose on Wild Bill. The joke you make in a means ear distracts me while I'm talking about the possible death of people.

[Stugotz]

Well, Dan, I think we took a negative turn here. Maybe it could be something positive that you want to break for us.

[Chris Cody]

The ice cream had sprinkles.

[Stugotz]

Oh, my God.

[Jeremy Tache]

Is it a wedding?

[Stugotz]

That's so beautiful. They're gonna renew their vows. Chris and Pat, right? That's her name.

[Amin Elhassan]

Chris.

[Chris Cody]

Ron and Rhonda.

[Stugotz]

Ron and Rhonda, too. Yes. Dan and Valerie.

[Chris Cody]

Chris and Christine.

[Jeremy Tache]

Spo and bam.

[Amin Elhassan]

I saw that. Jessica accused me of being the most likely in our group to do a vow renewal. That's probably true.

[Chris Cody]

Jessica is. She has to do the vows first.

[Dan Le Batard]

Dan was the most likely.

[Chris Cody]

Oh.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it wasn't an accusation. If it's just a. A suggestion, like. Yeah, I think.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, I think you got. I think I sound like a bad. I'm. I'm guessing a group of people who would say that their spouse isn't their best friend, because that's always a lie, that your spouse is your best friend. I would assume that that group of people would think renewed vowel vows is corny.

[Stugotz]

Vowels, too.

[Amin Elhassan]

That it's a corny thing. I would think. I would think.

[Chris Cody]

No, I think it's corny.

[Jeremy Tache]

I mean, I might feel differently later. You know, down the road.

[Chris Cody]

I think vows seems like one of the stops on the train track to divorce, right?

[Stugotz]

Oh, yeah. Like, this is the last stop.

[Jeremy Tache]

I would think it's the opposite of that.

[Stugotz]

Gotta save it.

[Dan Le Batard]

The only person I ever knew to renew their vows was my grandparents at their, like, 50th wedding anniversary. And at that point, it was way too late to get divorced.

[Billy Gil]

I think celebrating your love is beautiful, Dan, but you don't really want me on your side.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, no, you're a romantic. I. I am. I am a romantic as well. But what is that on the poll? Renewed vows on the train track.

[Chris Cody]

It's one of the stops on the.

[Amin Elhassan]

Train track to divorce. Our renewed vows are renewed vows. One of the stops on the freight train.

[Jeremy Tache]

Terrible train track.

[Billy Gil]

The question was, Dan, if you had to choose, which one's got to go, Pat Riley or Jimmy Johnson?

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