Local Hour: Dan "The Asterisk Guy" and Tyreek Hill's Jealousy

Summary

The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz
Episode: Local Hour: Dan "The Asterisk Guy" and Tyreek Hill's Jealousy
Release Date: January 29, 2025

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Introduction

In this episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz, hosted from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and their co-hosts delve into heated discussions surrounding sports achievements, team dynamics, and the interpersonal emotions fueling rivalries within the NFL. The primary focus centers around the concept of "asterisks" in sports records and the underlying jealousy surrounding Tyreek Hill's career moves.

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The Asterisk Debate

The conversation kicks off with a spirited debate about the legitimacy of sports records earned under varying conditions. Billy Gill initiates the discussion by referencing a comment made to him, calling him "the asterisk guy." This leads to a broader conversation about Saquon Barkley's performance and whether his achievements should be considered with an asterisk due to completing his season in 17 games versus the standard 16.

Billy Gill [02:53]: "It's not the same to do it in 17 games as it is to do it in 16 games or do it in 14 games."

Mike Ryan [02:55]: "He's a big asterisk guy."

The hosts explore the subjective nature of asterisks, debating whether they carry a pejorative connotation or simply provide necessary context to evaluate an athlete's performance fairly.

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Chiefs and Player Success

A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to Tyreek Hill's departure from the Kansas City Chiefs to the Miami Dolphins. The hosts analyze the impact of this move, debating whether Hill's success is attributed more to his individual talent or the support of his former teammate, Patrick Mahomes.

Billy Gill [05:30]: "Tyreek Hill's awfully jealous right now, is he not? He has to because they just win every time."

The discussion touches on the idea that while Hill sought greater recognition and financial compensation, his move might have been influenced by a desire to be the prominent star rather than sharing the limelight with Mahomes.

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Fan Base Dynamics and Jealousy

The show delves into the complex emotions fans experience when their favorite teams or players succeed or struggle. The hosts debate the jealousy that arises when a player like Tyreek Hill achieves success independently compared to his time with a successful team like the Chiefs.

Amin Elhassan [08:53]: "If I were a Chiefs fan, I would not be paying attention to any other fan base and what they have."

The conversation further explores how fandom can sometimes lead to bitterness and how the success of one team can inadvertently fuel rivalries and jealousy among fans of other teams.

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The Issue of Idea Theft

An entertaining yet contentious segment revolves around the allegation of idea theft from Bill Barnwell, a respected sports analyst. The hosts joke about how ideas are often "stolen" and adapted within the sports media landscape.

Billy Gill [33:39]: "We stole it from Bill Barnwell, so."

Chris Cote [34:02]: "I have to be honest. I did not steal it from Bill Barnwell. I didn't hear him say it. I didn't. I didn't, you know, read anything that he wrote."

This lighthearted exchange highlights the challenges of originality in a saturated media environment and the camaraderie (and competition) among hosts in developing content.

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Radio Row and Content Production

The episode also touches on the behind-the-scenes aspects of producing engaging content. The hosts discuss the logistics of managing segments, meeting deadlines, and maintaining spontaneity in live discussions.

Amin Elhassan [38:45]: "Listening, he was talking to Ryan Leaf and bringing him over for an interview and promising that going to get him into the Lake Tahoe tournament and then the interview never airs and he doesn't end up in the Lake Tahoe tournament."

This segment underscores the unpredictable nature of live radio and the improvisational skills required by hosts to keep the show dynamic and entertaining.

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Tyreek Hill's Jealousy and Career Choices

A central theme of the episode is the exploration of Tyreek Hill's feelings post his move to the Dolphins. The hosts speculate on whether Hill harbors jealousy towards former teammates like Jason Kelce and Patrick Mahomes, and how his desire for individual recognition may have influenced his career trajectory.

Billy Gill [15:30]: "Stugotz. You are not invested in this if that's what you're doing."

Amin Elhassan [20:44]: "Man, that team. You know how it is, you know how it is, Dan, when you're not on the show, you're like, watch the show. Mess up. I gotta come back and save the show. Cause it falls apart when I'm gone."

The discussion delves into the psychological impact of transitioning from a successful team role to seeking individual accolades, questioning whether Hill finds satisfaction in his new role or struggles with the pressures of being the standout player.

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Concluding Comments

As the episode winds down, the hosts reflect on the nature of success, the balance between individual recognition and team achievement, and the enduring passion that fuels their discussions. They emphasize the importance of understanding the multifaceted motivations behind players' career decisions and the emotional complexities that arise within sports fandom.

Dan LeBatard [18:08]: "I was talking about Jason Kelsey. But Tyreek Hill."

The episode wraps with a humorous exchange about the challenges of managing on-air dynamics and setting up future segments, leaving listeners with a blend of insightful sports analysis and the trademark playful banter that characterizes the show.

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Notable Quotes

• Billy Gill [02:53]: "It's not the same to do it in 17 games as it is to do it in 16 games or do it in 14 games."

• Mike Ryan [02:55]: "He's a big asterisk guy."

• Billy Gill [05:30]: "Tyreek Hill's awfully jealous right now, is he not? He has to because they just win every time."

• Amin Elhassan [08:53]: "If I were a Chiefs fan, I would not be paying attention to any other fan base and what they have."

• Billy Gill [33:39]: "We stole it from Bill Barnwell, so."

• Dan LeBatard [18:08]: "I was talking about Jason Kelsey. But Tyreek Hill."

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This episode offers a comprehensive look into the nuanced interplay of individual ambition, team success, and fan perception within the NFL, all wrapped in the engaging and often humorous style that The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz is known for.

Transcript

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Stugatz]

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[Chris Cote]

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[Billy Gill]

By way of Good morning, Amin opens by insulting me. He flies in on a red eye. We've got a crew here that's hurting a little bit because Stugots is sick. We don't know if he's gonna make it during the show. I'm sick. Bad time to get sick before the Super Bowl. I believe that Stugatz would argue that football did this to him. I think that would be the Official diagnosis from Dr. McDaniel, we have Amin over here, and his face still doesn't look right from that fall after the holiday party. There's something that doesn't look quite right about his face, but the way that he comes in here and insults me by half of. Outside of half of his swollen limp is he comes in here and he says, dan, you're an asterisk guy.

[Amin Elhassan]

Hmm.

[Billy Gill]

You're an asterisk guy.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right. What do you mean by that?

[Mike Ryan]

He's a big asterisk guy.

[Amin Elhassan]

Really?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, huge.

[Stugatz]

That can mean so many things.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

So this topic is actually a couple weeks old from the regular season.

[Amin Elhassan]

Huh?

[Mike Ryan]

You talk about Saquon Barkley, and you were saying if he had played that last game and broke the record should be an asterisk because he did it in 17 games.

[Billy Gill]

I didn't say there should be an asterisk. I just said that it's not the same to do it in 17 games as it is to do it in 16 games or do it in 14 games.

[Amin Elhassan]

Possibly disagree with that, though. He's right.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not disagreeing. I'm saying that's an asterisk guy.

[Amin Elhassan]

Okay.

[Billy Gill]

That's a context. What is. What is. What is an asterisk? Context. Is an asterisk pejorative. I think of an asterisk is neutral, but not.

[Chris Cote]

I mean, but then you're also missing the. The context of. I think he's done in less carries, so it's an extra game, but it's less opportunities to do so.

[Mike Ryan]

Second asterisk.

[Chris Cote]

But I'm just saying it's. It's a nullified asterisk. Because you're saying that, oh, he had more opportunities, but he actually had less. You got more time.

[Mike Ryan]

You got to put that second asterisk on there because the asterisk is at the bottom where you look it up and then footnotes.

[Chris Cote]

This, where you start getting a little two plus signs, like, what the hell is that on the keyboard?

[Mike Ryan]

Exactly.

[Chris Cote]

That's confusing. Keyboards have been simplified but complicated.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

You know what I mean?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

Before, like, they were a lot longer. And then they had that secondary number pad and then all the little, like, teal does and stuff like, on top. It was easy to find things. Now it's like there's however many keys. There are, like, you know, 34 keys or whatever.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right.

[Chris Cote]

You can't find half of the stuff that goes out in pr. You don't know where people get that from, how they get it on there. I don't know. I can't even Before, I used to just be able to. When I. When I took Mario Teaches Typing, and I learned in, you know, Wii, second grade or whatever, how to type my Q, W, e, R, T, Y's, you know what I mean?

[Mike Ryan]

Or Qwerty.

[Chris Cote]

When I was doing that ASD, FG, all of that stuff, right? I knew alt 164 was this. Alt 132 was that. I don't even know where alt is anymore.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm gonna tell you right now, but.

[Chris Cote]

I don't know where it is on the keyboard.

[Mike Ryan]

You're an old man. Because nobody uses keyboards like in the early 21st century. Oh, I'm typing. Use it on your phone. You know how I get to all those weird symbols? You hold the letters down and then a menu pops up. And if I want an O with two dots on it. If I want an Enya over my N, all of that is on my phone keyboard. I'm not out here trying Enya.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's a fine Venmo. Fine.

[Billy Gill]

Enya, Not Enya.

[Mike Ryan]

What'd I say?

[Billy Gill]

$2.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what I was talking about. I was talking about the van. If you hold down the end, the song comes out.

[Billy Gill]

It is National Curmudgeon Day. Billy is an old man. He's been an old man since he came out of the womb. And I. I want to know how the group feels in general about both the asterisk and the footnote, because I'm not. Again, I'm not. Again, the asterisk. I'm for the asterisk. I think the asterisk. If you want to give me more information that gives context to what it is that I've just read, I would like more context.

[Amin Elhassan]

We'll get to that in a second. Billy's objecting in my headsets to you calling him an old man.

[Chris Cote]

I thought he said a mean was an old man. He's been so out of the womb. And then it came at me, Billy.

[Billy Gill]

It'S National Curmudgeon Day. When I think of curmudgeons around here who don't want to see anybody. You just argued on behalf of life is better lived under house arrest.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, he's right.

[Chris Cote]

Well, I mean, when you see the people I see, you wouldn't disagree with.

[Billy Gill]

That makes it.

[Chris Cote]

That makes it people I like to see, just not the ones I'm seeing.

[Billy Gill]

This is. This is your life, though, is something that you continue to make smaller and smaller and you basically don't want. You live your life within a very small radius on purpose because you don't want to interact with others. I believe that that is the. That is the behavior of the curmudgeon.

[Chris Cote]

Okay, disagree. That's how I live my life. I have good circles.

[Amin Elhassan]

Do you?

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. Tight circles.

[Billy Gill]

Jessica, do you have any opinions about the footnote? How do you guys. Well, I'm not gonna turn to Stugatz and ask him how he feels about the footnote, but the asterisk to me is welcome. I don't have any issues with the asterisk.

[Dan LeBatard]

I prefer when the footnote is on the page that I'm reading and not when I'm reading a dense book. And the footnote is all the way at the end because I'm not gonna flip that many pages to the end. Also, I thought Enya was a Irish singer, not a band. Is that another fine for mean?

[Mike Ryan]

Is it not a band?

[Dan LeBatard]

Does she have a band also called Enya?

[Mike Ryan]

It's like Sade, I thought like where Sade is the name of the lead singer but it's also the name of the band.

[Dan LeBatard]

So it could be both.

[Mike Ryan]

I think it's both.

[Billy Gill]

I want to get some sound here. Nick Wright's gonna join us later and he's really trying to actively push Paul Rudd and Eric Stonestreet out of the way for number one Chiefs fan in America. He's doing the Chiefs no favor favors because like Amin saying, why is Nick Wright being on with us? Malley has been hearing Nick Wright on television. Malley in the other room and he's been screaming and yelling that he wants to punch him in the face because Nick Wright is affecting his mental health cuz he's listening to too much Nick Wright. But Eric Stonestreet is mad at Adam Schefter and basically this is what's happening between Chiefs fans and the rest of the country right now. America wins because there's going to be a game. Don't get mired down in Adam Schefter's tweet. The league is favoring the Chiefs. I mean, he calls out Patrick Mahomes in his tweet. Like Patrick Mahomes is the only one on the beneficiary end of a roughing the passer call. He's got the biggest reach in all the NFL and here he's out implying and furthering this conspiracy that the league is rigging the game against us. Here's the deal. I love football. I love it all. I hate that stuff. And here's what I also am. I'm pro freedom of speech. I'm pro freedom of thought. You can think if you're watching this, the league rigs it against the Chiefs. I support your thought process in that, but I think the one place that they wouldn't want that implied is Adam Schefter tweeting to all of his followers.

[Amin Elhassan]

Saying, yep, the NFL.

[Billy Gill]

It sure seems like. Sure seems like they're rigging the game for the Chiefs. It's like whatever. It is amazing how much Eric Stonestreet looks like Andy Reid behind him. It would appear to you that that photograph was a self portrait in his. When you look at how much he looks like Andy Reid there. The thing that's happening with the Chiefs dugouts, it's unbelievably stupid and yet the math supports it. When you just look at penalties. If that's all you're looking at, right? If I were a Chiefs fan, I would be so mad right now that people are trying to dilute and diminish my excellence by making it always about something other than their excellence.

[Amin Elhassan]

If I were a Chiefs fan, I would not be paying attention to any other fan base and what they have.

[Billy Gill]

To say about my football to all the fan bases. It's not a fan base.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, I understand that, but my team is going for a third consecutive Super Bowl. I don't care what it is you have to say.

[Billy Gill]

Stugats. You are not invested in this if that's what you're doing. Because fandom loves to complain about all of the other people who aren't giving us enough credit. You are detached from this in a way that's unemotional.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, Dan, I love to complain about, you know, when the Patriots were going through it, Brady was getting all the calls. But you're asking me, if I were a Chiefs fan, would I care about all the outside noise? And the answer is no.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I don't think that you represent Chiefs fans in any way right now.

[Amin Elhassan]

There's. I mean, Chief Kingdom. I went to the game. Home opener.

[Billy Gill]

Fandom is more fun when you're mad at somebody and then get to shut them up or not shut them up. Here, they're whimpering complaints like it makes it more fun if everyone is trying to take something away from you. When I fully. I believe we're all sitting here saying, my God, Mahomes is awesome. The whole erasing of Brady's memory is something that's happened pretty fast in that.

[Mike Ryan]

Sport, hasn't it, Dan? I think I can translate what's happening here. See, stug is a Jets fan, right? And part and parcel of jets fandom is always Hating your team internally. There's an internal kind of masochistic self dislike that you have as a Jets fan, right? So Stu Gats is just merely transposing, well, if the jets had the success that the Chiefs had, oh, I wouldn't care. But the reality is Sugatz would care, but in a different way. He wouldn't be like, everyone's hating on us like Chiefs fans and people from the Midwest do, right? Would be like, these guys, how are they going to mess it up? How are they not going to win three in a row? That's what he'd been the jets could win seven in a row and Stugats would still on number eight be worried about how they're going to mess it all up because of the Jets.

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[Jeremy Tache]

We need to establish him in some reasonable doubt. Yes, exactly.

[Billy Gill]

You do Stugats.

[Jeremy Tache]

I always like leaving hand on chicken because he's so vulnerable. I just unfairly fade down the chickens to just leave him by himself.

[Chris Cote]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.

[Billy Gill]

You guys do understand, Just make it about yourselves. It's not that hard. Your favorite team, it wins and everyone's talking about the refs and the games are fixed.

[Amin Elhassan]

Like, you'll eat some of them winning.

[Billy Gill]

You'Ll eat some of that up. You'll eat some of it up. Because beating that out of other fan bases, beating the respect out of everybody that refuses to give it to you stubbornly because they're sitting there calling it refs. And then you win the next year. And then you win the next year. And it makes me ask the question to all of you. I know he got his money, but Tyreek Hill's awfully jealous right now, is he not? He has to because they just win every time. He said when he was there, we can win seven or eight. They can without you. Like, you got, you got your money. They are without your money. But you feel what it's like not to make the playoffs for 24, not to win a playoff game for 24 years. You enter that building, you get your money, you get your stardom. But at the end of the season, you want to leave because you're so frustrated because you're saying, all I know how to do is win. They kept doing it there. Like I was trying to think of who's more jealous of whom. Where. When you watch everything that's happening throughout the sport, is Jason Kelce jealous of Travis Because Travis gets to keep playing is like, who is jealous where? On what it is that you're watching throughout sports, who's the most jealous person right now?

[Amin Elhassan]

I mean, you don't think it's hard for Jason to watch his brother continue to win Super Bowls? Really?

[Mike Ryan]

He has a late night talk show. Who imagined any of this for Jason Kelsey? You think, oh, he's like, oh, I wish I was still getting my head bashed in. Hell no.

[Chris Cote]

Why are we like 10 days away from the Super Bowl? Wondering who's jealous, jealous of each other.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll tell you who's jealous. I'm jealous of Jason Kelsey. This guy gets a late night talk show. Come on, man.

[Chris Cote]

And we're starting to find out he's not. Wasn't even that good at his job.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah, I don't think we're starting to find that out. I think Saquon Barkley makes a pretty substantive difference.

[Chris Cote]

Like if I take off Jason, I don't know.

[Billy Gill]

I would argue, I, perhaps I'd be wrong, but I would argue that whatever diminishment there is between Kelsey and his replacement is not as great as whatever the addition is between Bartlett Barkley and what it is that the Eagles had it running back last year.

[Chris Cote]

That's not how. If you're the greatest of all time and there's no diminishment, are you the greatest?

[Billy Gill]

That's why I'm asterisk guy.

[Mike Ryan]

There he is.

[Chris Cote]

Just hope he locked in some of these media deals long term. You know what I mean?

[Billy Gill]

Tyreek Hill, though, gets his money Stugarts.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yep.

[Billy Gill]

And doesn't get the winning now. But when he explains his frustration after the season where he pops off and he's like, I'm out of here. And he's saying, I've always Won. I only know how to win. We've talked before, man. That game really hurts under all circumstances. But it hurts more when you lose.

[Amin Elhassan]

He's won once, by the way.

[Billy Gill]

Well, but he not only won once. Dugouts. I remember the quotes. We can win 6, 7, 8.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yep.

[Billy Gill]

And they might. And you'll be one of them. It'll be hard to explain in retrospect. Like, it's. It's like saying Wes Welker played with Peyton Manning and Tom Brady and never won a Super Bowl. Right? You're like, how did that happen?

[Mike Ryan]

It's like saying the Eagles kept going to Super Bowls and Jason Kelsey was doing late night tv.

[Billy Gill]

Well, if you think that that's the same satisfaction, I understand. I mean, but it isn't, right? Success off the field in retirement. All of these guys will tell you that nothing feels like winning a championship with those people. Like, you will never replicate it anywhere in retirement.

[Amin Elhassan]

This has to be killing Jason Kelce. Not only seeing his brother continue to play at a high level, going for another super bowl, but his former team. He's a year removed from that team. To see that team have this kind of success without him has to be killing Jason Kelsey. He'll never admit it, but it.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm with you right there. See, he's like, oh, I'm Travis. I'm so jealous of. No, it's not. Travis is always gonna be on the team that wins all the time.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right?

[Mike Ryan]

It's the idea that man, that team. You know how it is. You know how it is, Dan, when you're not on the show, you're like, watch the show. Mess up. I gotta come back and save the show. Cause it falls apart when I'm gone. But then you watch and it's like, oh, the show was amazing without me. That doesn't feel good. You want to feel.

[Dan LeBatard]

So you think Dan's projecting right now?

[Mike Ryan]

Absolutely. Absolutely.

[Billy Gill]

He's worried when he's not here. I would love. I would love for you guys to do a year of shows where I didn't have to come.

[Amin Elhassan]

Then you could do a six weeks. I mean, you took a sabbatical.

[Mike Ryan]

Then you could do a late night talk show.

[Dan LeBatard]

We had fun this summer. I mean, you were there, weren't you?

[Mike Ryan]

I was there, yes. Replacement Dan, remember?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

Step Dan, substitute Dan.

[Stugatz]

Hey, Step Dan.

[Mike Ryan]

A lot of great bits, but Dan was watching like, oh, my God, they're going to another Super Bowl. I've got to get back there.

[Billy Gill]

You want to do it now? I'm happy to go for breakfast. You want to do substitute?

[Amin Elhassan]

I'll go with you.

[Billy Gill]

You want to do substitute, Dan? Now I'm playing with a guy who's hurt. I'm hurt. And you've got a busted up face still from falling after the Christmas party.

[Mike Ryan]

We could do a solo shot right now. I don't know what he's talking about. The only thing I have is my 2.

[Billy Gill]

Has anyone else thought this?

[Dan LeBatard]

Has anyone else thought some people make choices in their lives and their careers that they actually feel satisfied and confident by and those aren't interesting to talk about on a show. I agree with that. But I. He's probably doing fine. He's got a. He's got a great happy family from what we can tell. And I wasn't seems like a happy guy.

[Amin Elhassan]

He was talking about a means face.

[Billy Gill]

Well, I was also talking about Tyree Kill. It became about Jason Kelsey.

[Dan LeBatard]

I was talking about Jason Kelsey.

[Billy Gill]

But. But Tyree Kill. Look, man, he went for money. Like this is right now in the middle of what it is that you see on Jimmy Butler. And what is joy and what is happiness and how it is that business is always getting in the way of art. Like, I ask you guys this question to think about it seriously. I know Tyreek Hill makes a lot of money. Of course he does. He's also going to need it because he's reckless and he's got a lot of responsibilities and children. And so he came here and he got his money. But what do you think he feels watching on television? Do you think he can watch the games without feeling to know, oh, that team doesn't even have a great receiver. That team has a great tight end. And what we did, making it look easy, I asked you guys, as he chose something, thinking it would be better. And then initially it was he got stardom that he didn't get in Kansas City. But you don't think Tyreek Hill looks at not only Jason Kelce and Travis Kelce and is like, look at all of what they get because they get to be playing games now that matter.

[Dan LeBatard]

To be honest, Dan, I can't really get inside Tyreek Hill's head.

[Mike Ryan]

I can tell you right now, none of that. First of all, he left. He got the stardom, he got the fame, he got the money. And at the beginning, he got the winning. There was a feeling of. And this is what every athlete wants, number one. Every pro athlete, number one, they want to get paid. Number two, they want to win. Number three. And all of these are separated by a hair margin.

[Billy Gill]

I think number three is higher than number two.

[Mike Ryan]

They're winning because of me.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's Chris. I think that's number one.

[Billy Gill]

I think that's number.

[Mike Ryan]

No, no, no, no.

[Billy Gill]

Don't get. It's pretty close.

[Mike Ryan]

Number one is the money. Number one is always the money.

[Amin Elhassan]

All right.

[Mike Ryan]

They want to win because of me.

[Billy Gill]

I would say it's almost always the money, but I want to win because of me is a very strong urge in sports.

[Mike Ryan]

Absolutely. And so Tyreek Hill started to get all those feelings even if they didn't win and the Chiefs went to the Super Bowl. I think in his mind, after year one, it's like, this was a good move.

[Amin Elhassan]

The Dolphins are good because of me.

[Mike Ryan]

Because of me, everyone's recognizing my impact.

[Amin Elhassan]

And people are talking about me. Sorry. I mean, they're talking about me in a way they never talked about me when I was with Kansas City and one of the best players in the. In the NFL and never would.

[Mike Ryan]

It's the same way Kyrie Irving. It's the same reason Kyrie Irving left Cleveland because he understood no matter how many we win here, I'm always going to be LeBron's little brother. People going to ask me if I look at LeBron like a father figure and all those. Those weird questions.

[Dan LeBatard]

He was thought of so highly when he left the Chiefs that you guys are like, oh, the Dolphins are going to win a million Super Bowls. Now. I feel like your guys ability to remember things that happened like two years ago, it's crazy. It's like it happened like 45 years ago. You have no memory of 2022 at all.

[Mike Ryan]

Welcome to the show.

[Chris Cote]

It's somewhere in the middle though, right? Because like, Tyree Kill wasn't voted the number one player by the NFL players in the NFL when he was in Kansas City. And like, when he was in Kansas City, everyone knew he was good, but they didn't say Patrick Mahomes was made by Tyree Kill the way they were saying the Dolphins tua only is good because of Tyree Kill.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right.

[Chris Cote]

So, like, he was well regarded in Kansas City. However, like when he came here because of his quarterbacking situation, he did get another level of respect and credit for the way the team was playing. And like, to some extent you saw this year, he was not the same and the team wasn't as good. Now two obviously missed four games also. But like, like, you saw what the team wasn't with Tyreek Hill when he wasn't there.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, but wasn't Dan also one of the people that was like, good Luck. Patrick Mahomes without Tyreek Hill. Or am I just inventing that take from two years ago?

[Chris Cote]

Yeah, but we, like. Yeah, but we realized real quickly, like, Patrick Mahomes was good without Tyree Kill.

[Stugatz]

Tyreek Hill was ranked the number 15 player in the NFL his final season with the Chiefs. So I know from 15 to 1.

[Chris Cote]

Is a giant day, but it is.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm serious. He had his best two years. His first two years with the Dolphins are his best two years by a lot.

[Chris Cote]

And look, look up also on that.

[Billy Gill]

The only target.

[Chris Cote]

Where's Patrick Mahomes on that list? Yeah, because I'm sure he. He's probably ahead of Tyree Kill, so he would get the credit for why it is that the team was good.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, see, look it up. Look it up. Jeremy, do you research.

[Chris Cote]

I'm not saying look it up. I'm just saying look it up. He goes from being one of the guys to the guy and the reason why they're so good in many people's eyes.

[Mike Ryan]

I think it's pretty clear that what he sought when he left Kansas City, he got.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yep.

[Mike Ryan]

It's just the last year plus has kind of not gone according to plan. And so I don't. I know he probably says, oh, man, this sucks. Get me out of here. But I don't think if you told him, hey, if you could do it all over, he'd say, just stay in Kansas City and be one of the guys. I don't think he thinks that.

[Billy Gill]

I think that he was the third most famous person in Kansas City and third most responsible for the success. He was, however, maybe fourth with the. However, the most responsible for the fact that that used to be a big play offense. And what Mahomes has become since then is someone who can't do that down the field. And in the category of do you appreciate things more when you get further from them? I'm sure Kyrie Irving now thinks differently about some of the LeBron James things. And what I'm asking you guys to explore is how is Tyrique now realizing for perhaps the first time, oh, not bulletproof. Can't just get 1,000 yards by being out there. Oh, I don't just win. And now I'm 30 and the job is to be faster than everyone else for the rest of my career. And I'm 30. And I'm just asking you guys if you think at any point he makes the register of, yeah, I cashed in, however. But I've got some solace. I've got. I need some Solace, because I need comfort from the fact that I made a bad decision. I made a decision that supported something then, but I didn't realize how hard winning actually is.

[Chris Cote]

I don't think he made a bad decision. If you were to ask him, because he got a contract that he wouldn't get, and he already won a Super. It's not like he won.

[Amin Elhassan]

He had the Super Bowl. That's the.

[Chris Cote]

He had the Super Bowl. He got the contract that he sought out. And I don't. I don't think he does solace. And also, he told us that he's coming back next year faster than this year. So he's coming back at 30 faster than ever. I mean, what would he regret?

[Dan LeBatard]

Like, the way the sport works is that if you're good, you. You usually don't stay with the same place unless you're the only good player. Like, that's how it's set up. So, like, he. I don't. I doubt he regrets his decision.

[Chris Cote]

Like, I don't think Christian Wilkins regrets going to Las Vegas and getting the money that he wasn't going to get here.

[Billy Gill]

I don't think Kyrie Irving necessarily regrets his decision, but when he looks back on it, he has a different appreciation in its absence than he had before. This is something Tyreek Hill would have never learned there. He could have been there, won, and felt underpaid the entire time because he would have never gotten to test his ego on what it is that it was here where he was the number one guy. He was the guy responsible for turning two into a cornerback and a quarterback and McDaniel into a. A genius. Everybody was celebrating that this was his team. He wasn't number three here. He wasn't the third most famous guy. He was the guy and the reason for winning.

[Mike Ryan]

Are you making our point now?

[Billy Gill]

Right.

[Amin Elhassan]

These decisions are hard to make in the moment, but I think just about everyone, with the exception of Michael Jordan, looks back at their career and says, hey, I could have done something differently.

[Billy Gill]

So to that point, it succeeded. But he wanted out at the end of the season because the one time the turmoil arrived, it felt like garbage to him, and it was something foreign to him. Can we play the sound of Troy Aikman talking about Michael Irvin in the NFC Championship game? Irvin told us his story one time of being in the super bowl in some form of this kind of story where he's running after someone else who's on his team, who has the football screaming at him, that that was his super bowl touchdown. Let's hear what Aikman had to say.

[Troy Aikman]

That was in the NFC championship game, our first one in the 92 season. And we had called this play. It was 896 F flat. And the 6 was a curl route and the 8 was the skinny post. And. And Michael had been running the skinny post the entire game and I'd never thrown it. And he had been running the curl or Alvin Harper had been running the curl. And based on coverage, every time we called that play in the game, it pretty much went to Alvin Harper. And so they're late in the game. We call 896. Michael would do this from time to time. He would try to line up where he thought the ball was going to go. And so he told Alvin, hey, you run the post, I'm going to run the curl. Because that's where he thought it would be thrown again. What's interesting about that is that I think because Michael went to run the curl, it created the coverage that we ultimately got. I don't know that we would have gotten the same look if Michael was the one running that route. But, you know, Alvin catches the ball and Michael believes that he would have been the guy getting it had he not told Alvin, change position. Yes, he was running down the field screaming that, you know, he was happy as he could be. It was not a selfish act on his part, but he was screaming that that was his ball and it should have been him making that play.

[Billy Gill]

Michael Irvin says he was just screaming and it wasn't happy.

[Mike Ryan]

It was.

[Billy Gill]

It was. That's my touchdown.

[Amin Elhassan]

Michael Irvin has the rare ability to be happy while screaming. He does. I've seen it.

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[Billy Gill]

Don LeBatard.

[Jeremy Tache]

I actually thought you looked kind of good.

[Billy Gill]

Stugats.

[Amin Elhassan]

Thank you. I had a beard's grown out a little bit. I got a little life in my face. I feel like little tan. Colorado, San Francisco. I had a great time.

[Chris Cote]

You got life on your face.

[Billy Gill]

You've got death on your face.

[Jeremy Tache]

I think you've got 40 to life on your face.

[Chris Cote]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugach.

[Billy Gill]

I think that it is hard to place the ego of sports and the general selfishness of people inside of the team concept. Once you've. Once you've turned it into business.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I mean, it's like relationships, right. It's like marriage. Right. Every human has two innate urges in them.

[Amin Elhassan]

Right.

[Mike Ryan]

That are contradictory. Number one. Number one, I'm independent. I do everything myself. I'm the boss. I do this, whatever. And number two is I want to be a part of something bigger than me. And sports is like the ultimate training ground for that, where it's like, unless you're tennis or track or something like that, you want the credit. You want people to look at you as the reason for success, but also you want to be part of something. You want to have teammates. You want to have people that lift you up, and you want to lift other people up and have that kind of camaraderie going. And so. So, Dan, what you're asking is at the root of all of this. Like, what does Tyreek Hill, by way of example, what does he want? And I think what he wants is kind of what he sought. He sought a. To get compensated. What is commensurate with.

[Billy Gill]

I would say wants it all. I would say. When you ask, what does he want? I would say the money and the winning. All of it.

[Mike Ryan]

All of it, but the winning because of me.

[Amin Elhassan]

Because of me. Well, no, your point's a good one.

[Mike Ryan]

And so my fault. But. And so he never was going to get. It's like James Harden in Oklahoma City. How many would have won? They would have won a hundred. He never would have been mvp. He never would have had deals, endorsement deals. He never would have been looked at. The way we look at him now, it's like.

[Amin Elhassan]

It's like Kobe and Shaq. I mean, Kobe has said that the two titles he won without Shaq were way more important to him. Why? Because he was the reason they won those titles. When he did it with Shaq, everyone would say, yeah, it was Shaq, it was Kobe, it was Shaq, it was Kobe. He wasn't getting 100% of the credit when he did it without Shaq, he was getting all of it.

[Mike Ryan]

Absolutely. And here's the deal. When it comes to any of these guys, because it's the same reason. Why didn't Kentavius Caldwell come back to the Nuggets? Why didn't Bruce Brown come back to the Nuggets? I won one. Like, if you'd never won one. I get it. I gotta stay here. This is close. Once you win, it's like, man, let me take care of me. Let me get paid the way I should be getting paid. Let me get the credit that I should get yet.

[Chris Cote]

Why are we talking about Tyreek Hill?

[Mike Ryan]

It's Dan's fault. I'm just. Yes. Handing.

[Chris Cote]

Yes. Dan.

[Amin Elhassan]

He should go to Buffalo.

[Chris Cote]

Oh, man.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah. I mean, Spagnola. That's how you do it. Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, good idea, Chris.

[Mike Ryan]

All together, right?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yes. Spags to re. Kill.

[Chris Cote]

The band is back together.

[Billy Gill]

Well, since you mentioned Spags. And now we've got Spags against Fangs in the Super Bowl. Can you guys please. For me, Because Warren Sharp is out here, and Warren Sharp, my God. Does this guy dive deep, deep into the numbers? And he got to this take later than God bless football, later than Stugatz and Billy Gill, And I don't know if Billy wants to accuse him of stealing this.

[Chris Cote]

Well, we stole it from Bill Barnwell, so.

[Billy Gill]

Okay, but you stole it first. And you stole it better because you were there before Warren Sharp, and you said that fixing the Buffalo bills in two easy steps would be fire Sean McDermott, hire your boy Spags. And I want to know how God bless football feels about this. This. This stealing. Although Billy really undermined me, as he's capable of doing before I even got started by saying that you guys stole it first.

[Amin Elhassan]

I have to be honest. I did not steal it from Bill Barnwell. I didn't hear him say it. I didn't. I didn't, you know, read anything that he wrote. Billy, you may have stolen it, but I came in with a fresh thought that morning. I mean, I literally pitched it to.

[Chris Cote]

You on air, and you said, that's a good idea. And then you came to this show and I guess forgot that I did it to you five minutes ago.

[Dan LeBatard]

You stole it from Bill?

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. No, but I credited him on the front end.

[Amin Elhassan]

All right, that's nice of you. Don't do that next time.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

By the time it gets to Stugatz, it becomes his idea. No, but this is how it's been happening for years. The whole thing's been happening exactly as you just described it. You on your platform said the thing correctly and sourced it, and the. And Stu got to became his idea, and he gets mad at Warren Sharp when he says Warren Sharp stole my idea. That's how it's been happening for 20 years.

[Chris Cote]

Well, Chris also in here, accused someone of stealing the idea from him when he, in fact, stole it from Jess without realizing he stole it from Jess just that day.

[Dan LeBatard]

I didn't hear Bill say it, but Bill's, like, not usually doing, like, super complex bits, but he was, I assume, joking about it. I want to make it clear that we are all being 100% serious about it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Thank you.

[Dan LeBatard]

Was he joking about it?

[Chris Cote]

I'm not gonna listen back.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, no. If he's joking about. I'm with you. If he's joking about it, then he just gave up any ownership to it.

[Stugatz]

Bill Barnwell does not joke about football.

[Chris Cote]

He was half joking.

[Billy Gill]

He does.

[Amin Elhassan]

He does not joke about football. No, but it means. Right. It doesn't count if he was even half joking. It doesn't matter.

[Dan LeBatard]

We're all serious.

[Billy Gill]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

If it's dead serious, then it's yours.

[Chris Cote]

How do you guys feel about stolen goods?

[Mike Ryan]

What's it? Are you dead serious about them?

[Chris Cote]

Well, here's my question.

[Mike Ryan]

Then they're yours.

[Chris Cote]

I had a conversation out there before and I was like, look, I'm not one to steal, but also, I don't ask where certain things come from. You know what I mean? Like, if. If someone steals something and then they gift it to me, I didn't steal it. So I don't know if you guys feel the same way. I feel like it's still probably a crime. And to be clear, I don't have stolen goods. It was just a conversation that you know. Yeah, exactly. That I know. Because I don't ask.

[Mike Ryan]

Depends on the level, right?

[Chris Cote]

Like, let's say this jacket, for example.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Billy Gill]

So jacket.

[Chris Cote]

Literally this jacket.

[Mike Ryan]

So what?

[Chris Cote]

Maybe it was in a box at Radio Row last year. It wasn't intended for me, but I asked someone, hey, how does one get one of those jackets? And then they snuck it over to me and put it in my backpack.

[Billy Gill]

I'm glad that you brought up Radio Row. Billy, put these things on the poll, please. Juju, does Tyreek Hill do Solace?

[Dan LeBatard]

I have an update on Bill, by the way. He tweeted this. According to Taylor. I don't actually think that Bill should hire Spags as their head coach, but I do think it's a perfect debate show opinion. So he's basically giving us permission to steal it.

[Mike Ryan]

Free play.

[Billy Gill]

Does Bill Barnwell joke about football? Is the other poll question at Lebatard show? Because I had the same reaction that Chris did when they were like, maybe Bill Barnwell was joking. It was like, what do you mean?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, I said I doubt he was joking.

[Billy Gill]

Yes. Thank you.

[Stugatz]

Not about something so serious that Bill.

[Amin Elhassan]

Barnwell, does he joke about anything?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yes. Bill's great.

[Billy Gill]

Stand down asterisk guy is here.

[Chris Cote]

I heard he goes to ren fairs.

[Stugatz]

I could see that.

[Billy Gill]

That.

[Dan LeBatard]

I couldn't see that, actually.

[Amin Elhassan]

He told you to stand down.

[Dan LeBatard]

He does travel a lot, though.

[Stugatz]

Media members.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's always in Australia.

[Stugatz]

Media members who look like they go to the ren fair. I'm here for this game.

[Chris Cote]

If you're always going to Australia, someone should ask questions.

[Dan LeBatard]

Also, this is a bad week to joke about football. Like, I don't know if you guys have seen some of the analysis discourse out there, but there's threats going on. It's a. It's a dark, dirty place right now on the Internet.

[Mike Ryan]

Threats, you see.

[Billy Gill]

Really? Oh, yeah, it is today.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ryan Leaf Took things to a weird place the other day. It was, it was really weird.

[Billy Gill]

Wow. All right, put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Has Ryan Leaf taken the Internet to a darker place at Lebatard show a.

[Amin Elhassan]

Staple on Radio Row. Billy. Ryan Lee.

[Billy Gill]

Well, I'm glad, I'm glad you guys mentioned Radio Row because I Stugatz. Look, Stugats may be sick today. St may be hurting at the end of a football season where he is alleged and I don't even disagree with him that football has been harder on him this year than it's been on any of the players. He is broken from flying all over the country chasing around football and spags. He's friends with spags. He is, he is building a God bless football empire with Billy and he's tired and the season's about to end and we got a lot of people worried because Radio Row is in a bit of an adventure for us the last few years and it's been hard but Jenny was looking around and a little bit scared about what next week week foretells. And with his waddle, his waddle swagger. Stu Gotz is like, this is the most reliable stug there is. Radio, Radio Rose stug. There is no one more prepared for this. This is a holiday for st this week. Billy, you're ready to.

[Chris Cote]

That's definitely his opinion of how Radio Rose is that he's the most reliable. No one more reliable.

[Amin Elhassan]

Well, no, I love it. The point I was making the Jenny is that's the place. I'll show up three hours early. I'll be there. It's a content factory for me, Billy. You know that.

[Stugatz]

But you won't be on your set. You'll be walking around.

[Chris Cote]

That's kind of, that's kind of the thing. We, we're up against a deadline. We need to record a segment. We only have 20 minutes. I got to go for a heater. Listen, we don't need to rush this. Let's just wait for people to appear. It's like we only have 19 minutes left on this set. Like ah, right. Don't worry about it.

[Stugatz]

Next thing you know he's cutting it up with balding or no.

[Chris Cote]

Next thing you know he's talking to Ryan Leaf and bringing him over for an interview and promising that going to get him into the Lake Tahoe tournament and then the interview never airs and he doesn't end up in the Lake Tahoe tournament.

[Amin Elhassan]

Still have to get on that for two years.

[Chris Cote]

Next year we come back and Ryan Leaf is on Set again. Because he's promising him the exact same things.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yep. Every year. Yeah. Rinse, repeat.

[Chris Cote]

I know. We're going to see Ryan Leaf this year.

[Amin Elhassan]

Listen, you walk down. You take a stroll down the aisle, Radio Row. And if you walk into Jim Roman, have a five minute conversation, that means I'm five minutes late. I'm sorry. There's nothing I could do. That's what the super bowl is all about.

[Billy Gill]

Look.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's what Radio Row is all about. I'll have a 20 minute conversation about nothing with Mad Dog. I mean, it's amazing.

[Chris Cote]

Yeah. But off air, when we're up against the deadline. And I will say this. No one at. And Stuart, take this as a compliment because it's intended this way.

[Amin Elhassan]

Thank you.

[Chris Cote]

No one is better at Radio Row of figuring out how to leave, go outside, smoke and make it back through security with five minutes than Stu got. How he gets. Gets in and out of security so quickly.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

To go smoke and do whatever it is that he's up to outside.

[Amin Elhassan]

That's laying the groundwork. That's front end work. Okay. I befriend all these security guys, therefore I bring them coffee every morning. They let me in and out whenever I want.

[Chris Cote]

None of that.

[Amin Elhassan]

Smoking doors. I mean, you know, we've been there.

[Chris Cote]

That's probably true.

[Amin Elhassan]

Bringing coffee once. Have you brought coffee?

[Billy Gill]

Billy, what is true? Like. Okay, none of it. Okay.

[Chris Cote]

Not a word.

[Amin Elhassan]

The smoking inside.

[Billy Gill]

Billy. I want to explore this. Okay. Because you don't want to explore this.

[Chris Cote]

No. I feel like Tyreek Hill now.

[Amin Elhassan]

I can't wait. It's going to be so fun. Let's explore.

[Billy Gill]

I'm framing stugats as reliable stugats during the super bowl because he's legitimately excited as he is every year about Radio Row. I am under no illusion that that's because he is working the entire time. It is because he's working it the entire time. He's doing Stugatz finger guns all over the place. And this is where Stugats gets to be the most famous version of himself in the middle of sports importance.

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah. Yep. I love it.

[Mike Ryan]

This is how he knows all the local affiliate call letters. I'm always amazed when Sugats like WKRP in Cincinnati. How'd you know?

[Amin Elhassan]

Yeah.

[Chris Cote]

But it largely amounts to nothing. I guess it's kind of like that time would be better spent doing anything.

[Billy Gill]

But we are paying guns for schmoozing.

[Chris Cote]

I know, but he's not bringing in anyone. Everyone else is booking these people. He's just walking around glad handing promising people hits. He's going to do that. He doesn't promise people other types of hits. He's going to do that.

[Amin Elhassan]

He is doing yes.

[Stugatz]

It's just him just talking to agent. It's just like that's his. I'm not doing actual content here. I'm making relationships.

[Mike Ryan]

Why do y'all think they say yes? Like what show is it?

[Amin Elhassan]

Don't say yes to him.

[Mike Ryan]

No, they say yes to the booker. The booker says to God. Like oh yeah, the guy that brought the coffee and was hanging out with me.

[Billy Gill]

I want, I want to get WGR.

[Amin Elhassan]

And Buffalo could have a big week next week.

[Billy Gill]

I mean I want want to get to the bottom of this, but I want you to understand we are very much headed into Stugotz's Adult Prom.

[Stugatz]

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