Local Hour: Dan's Civic Duty

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: Dan's Civic Duty
Date: March 23, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami

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Episode Overview

This "Local Hour" episode blends Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew’s signature blend of irreverent sports commentary, Miami-centric takes, and meandering conversational tangents. From civic responsibilities like jury duty and the Miami basketball scene, to pop-culture shoutouts and Heat frustration, the group keeps things flowing with humor, skepticism, and a dose of local pride.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Dan’s Civic Duty and the Value of Jury Duty

Timestamps: 01:11–03:16

• Jeremy shares his hectic morning after running out of jury duty to make the show, prompting a humorous debate about civic responsibility.
  • Zaz admits to tossing his jury summons.
     "What are they gonna do, Dan?" – Amin (02:04)
  • Mike argues consequences are minimal:
     "You can always say you never got it. Comes down to the character of the man." (02:13)
• Poll question posed:
  • Is there any consequence for not showing up for jury duty?
• Amin connects mail scams to civic responsibilities, noting the difficulty discerning scams from real obligations post-home purchase.
• Comic skepticism dominates, no one reporting real consequences.

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2. Miami’s Local "Squatter" Story

Timestamps: 03:27–04:56

• Jeremy updates the team on his "squatter" ordeal.
  • Recaps walking by his property to find seven packages, including renovation tools, sent to the house during the squatter's time there.
  • The group jokes about “full scale renovation” plans by the squatter.
  • Mike admits, despite victims, squatting laws make him want to "test that"–hinting at vigilante justice.
    • Memorable Mike quote:
      "Squatters rights is one of those FAFO things. I’d drag somebody out to the lawn and let’s see who the law sides with." (04:44)

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3. March Madness & University of Miami Basketball Postmortem

Timestamps: 06:48–12:40

• Crew shifts into March Madness and Miami Hurricanes basketball.
• Dan expresses support for Miami’s effort despite falling to Purdue:
  • "The best season in terms of feel good I think that Miami has ever had…it's the biggest turnaround in Division 1 history." – Dan (07:53)
  • Miami’s transformation from rock bottom to relevance is a highlight.
• Mike analyzes the loss to Purdue:
  • "Purdue executed at a much higher level...killed Miami on those high screens…But there’s no taking away the feel good from this season." (08:11)
  • Looks ahead with optimism: five-star recruit, growing transfer portal appeal.
• Jeremy reflects on the youth and learning curve in college basketball, questioning new trends like player interviews at halftime.
  • Mike confirms halftime interviews with players is a new TV-access move in NCAA tournaments (10:03).
• The team debates why Miami lost—randomness vs. execution, shooting variance, the importance of home crowds, and the game's small margins.

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4. Broader College Basketball and Coaching Moves

Timestamps: 12:51–14:50

• Mike: This is only the second time all teams in the Sweet 16 are from “power conferences” (12:51).
• Jeremy: Notable Miami teams have also fallen to Purdue; discussion of Matt Painter's longevity and coaching legacy.
• Ty to Kelvin Sampson's candid comments about Houston's resource disadvantages:
  • "We’re still poor...Teams that have the best recruiting classes usually have the most money." – via Sampson, recounted by Jeremy (14:13)

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5. Miami Heat Frustrations: Season, Team Identity, and Coaching

Timestamps: 23:19–41:48

• Addressing the Heat’s four-game losing streak and their likely play-in status.
• Dan, Zaz, and Amin debate the merits of “pain creating growth” as a Spoelstra coaching mantra, with skepticism for this particular team:
  • Zaz: "No one's going to say, hey remember that seven-game losing streak, that helped us. No, your season’s over." (24:46)
• Detailed stats: Heat’s defense is top 4–5 overall, but drops out of the top 15 vs. playoff teams (25:15).
  • Dan: "Every season-long stat is built on the corpses of all the bad teams you beat up. Right?" (26:14)
• The pain of buzzer-beater losses, especially the recent heartbreaker vs. Houston (29:24):
  • Zaz: "That shit never happens." (29:48)
  • Amusing story from Zaz about recording the game, watching it spoiler-free with his son only for (inevitable) disappointment (31:40).

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6. Team Management, Tanking, and Roster Decision-Making

Timestamps: 41:10–45:58

• Discussing redundancy between Norman Powell and Tyler Herro, coming key offseason choices.
  • Amin: "Is it the role or is it the person? ... You're playing big minutes, so what are we talking about? Just you didn’t hear your name called." (39:19)
• The "tanking" debate:
  • Mike frames an isolated year of restocking assets as different than full-blown long-term tanking (42:20).
  • Amin is skeptical about marginal draft position improvement, trusts Heat’s record of finding talent late (43:01).
  • Jeremy argues franchise DNA and Pat Riley’s will matter more:
    "The person who runs your franchise is 82 years old and over his dead body, like, he’s not going to tank… he wants to see if they could do what they did against Giannis in the first round again." (43:50)
  • General consensus: Organizational culture and Riley’s optimism trump any quick fix or tanking scheme.

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7. Pop Culture & Miscellanea

Timestamps: Sprinkled, notably 21:32, 45:54-end

• "Blue Bloods" reference explained by Amin: Spanish nobility origin—light-skinned aristocrats with “blue veins” (41:48).
• Joking about what shows Stan Van Gundy actually watches—a digression about TV crime dramas, “Blue Bloods,” and Donnie Wahlberg (45:54).
• Praise for Stan Van Gundy’s prescient call on Luke Kennard’s shooting (46:07), before debunking rumors he dissed Bam Adebayo.

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Notable Quotes & Memorable Moments

• "Jury duty? Why are you making that sound?" – Jeremy, incredulous at Zaz (01:27)
• "It comes down to the character of the man." – Mike, on skipping jury duty (02:13)
• "Squatter’s rights is one of those FAFO things. I’d test that." – Mike (04:44)
• "The best season in terms of feel good I think Miami has ever had…it’s the biggest turnaround in Division 1 history." – Dan (07:53)
• "Every season-long stat is built on the corpses of all the bad teams you beat up." – Dan (26:14)
• "No, I want to see what happened and watch it with the same suspense that I would the previous night. Which makes the experience even dumber because I spent my whole morning leading up to the Heat losing at the buzzer." – Zaz, on spoiler-free game watching (34:57)
• "You gotta blow out Pat Riley if you want to lose on purpose or if you’re not gonna try." – Jeremy (43:50)
• "Blue blood. It stems from Spanish nobility. So for folks who didn't have to go out and work, their skin was lighter and you could see their blue veins in turn. Blue blood." – Amin (41:48)

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Timestamps for Important Segments

• 01:11 – Civic duty debate and jury duty experiences
• 03:27 – Local squatter saga & property law tangents
• 06:48 – March Madness: Miami’s season, loss to Purdue, and "looks like" theme song
• 09:04 – Miami Hurricanes’ growth and NCAA tournament changes
• 23:19 – Heat’s struggles, defense stats, and play-in picture
• 29:24 – Emotional impact of buzzer-beater loss to Houston
• 31:40 – Zaz family watch party story
• 41:10 – Tanking, team culture, and trade philosophy
• 45:54 – “Blue Bloods” TV show and Stan Van Gundy anecdotes

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Final Thoughts

This episode is quintessential "Local Hour": zippy local color, sports heartbreak, tongue-in-cheek skepticism about authority (civic and basketball), and pop-culture riffing. The crew juggles serious fandom with a healthy sense of perspective and self-mockery—whether debating the wisdom of tanking, lamenting lottery luck, or teasing each other about Blue Bloods and game spoilers. Fans of Miami sports and empathetic, irreverent sports talk will feel right at home.

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[Zaz]

Jury duty?

[Jeremy]

Why are you making that sound?

[Zaz]

You don't need to do that.

[Jeremy]

What do you mean I don't need

[Zaz]

to be nervous on jury duty? What?

[Jeremy]

Have you been summoned?

[Zaz]

I don't know if I have. I threw in the garbage.

[Jeremy]

What are you doing?

[Zaz]

What am I doing?

[Jeremy]

It's a civic duty, responsibility and honor. Somebody to be a jury of your peers is a symbol of freedom. What are you doing?

[Zaz]

So I have to go sit on a jury instead of doing things that I want to do. So. Sounds like a sucker move.

[Jeremy]

Or that. I thought it was a civic duty. And. And you just don't show up and there's been no consequences.

[Zaz]

I'm right here living my life.

[Amin]

What are they going to do, Dan?

[Mike]

What are they.

[Zaz]

Seriously, what are they going to.

[Jeremy]

You're going to ask this government if you ever.

[Mike]

If you ever got the letter, you could see what they would threaten to do at the very least. But here I am. I don't think it's certified mail, so you can always say never got it. That's right. Your tech. It comes down to the character of the man.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. Put it. Or woman. Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. I'm an ally. That was really helpful there.

[Dan]

And hateful for Mike.

[Jeremy]

No one knew what he was talking about. So I'm glad we stepped up. Put it on the poll at Lebatard show. Are there any consequences to not going to jury duty? Because if there aren't consequences, as nobody

[Zaz]

would go, okay, but am I not living proof?

[Jeremy]

Well, I don't know how many times you've gotten something that you've actually thrown in the mail, thrown in the garbage can. I don't know. Like the notice looks very official and they do threaten you with a fine and.

[Amin]

Yeah, but hold on a second there. So I just purchased a house and they send you so much crap in the mail that it's like if you don't pay this, you're going to be in really big trouble. You know what I do? Rip it up and throw it away. Because half is an absolute scam. The other half may be different, but I don't know.

[Zaz]

Yeah, where does it say that? The stuff that comes in my mailbox

[Mike]

I have to open and good luck calling me for anything. Every 100% of my calls, they got to be scam. I'm never answering the phone ever again.

[Jeremy]

Never put it on the poll Levitard show. Have you gone weeks lately without answering your phone? Because I don't use my phone as a phone anymore. It's a computer. But when you mention mail. You guys will like this update from my leading the local news squatter story. I went by the house yesterday that. That had that squatter in it. Seven packages he had delivered to the front of the house. Is he my wife while he's in jail? One of them.

[Mike]

Did you open them?

[Jeremy]

One of them a saw of some sort.

[Mike]

Oh, Jesus. Luckily you got him.

[Zaz]

Who knows?

[Mike]

He was planning on doing a lot of stuff for the house, apparently. You need to do some work on the house, Dan. Yeah, some renovating.

[Jeremy]

There was. There were some under cabinet lights. Like there was all sorts of stuff. He was. Look, man, I avoided a terrible situation, I'm thinking by very little amount of time because once he changes the doorknobs and he's got the keys to the house, I'm talking to the officer and I no longer have the keys to my own house like that. And he had the doorknobs already, like he was planning a full scale renovation.

[Mike]

Yeah, I don't know how much I'm allowed to talk about this because there are victims here and I want to be careful of that. I'm Very mindful of that. But also squatters rights is one of those FAFO things. Like I know that they're technically protected by law. I'd test that. I drag somebody out to the lawn and let's see who the law decides was right.

[Zaz]

See what's what.

[Mike]

Or I just take off the doors and say I'm sorry, I'm making some renovations.

[Jeremy]

Purdue was a number one seed as

[Dan]

Kirk Cousins look like JCPenney.

[Jeremy]

Looks like his back, Jack.

[Zaz]

It's bracket time so make a chart.

[Amin]

Does Jeff and Gundy look just like

[Jeremy]

the queen of heart? Does Adam Silver look like a torpedo bat?

[Zaz]

Let's get Martin Sadness back on track.

[Mike]

Looks like he's back, Jack.

[Zaz]

When the donuts are in front of you,

[Jeremy]

does any reef say don't mind if I do.

[Mike]

Adam Silver looks like a cute kid thing

[Jeremy]

or frying a bag of onion rings when Timmy laughs until he has

[Zaz]

that's how you know that looks like his back, Jack.

[Jeremy]

Let me hear you say looks love looks love. Looks like his back, Jack. Let's keep on doing it. Every year though Antburx has pissed a bun. Welcome to Tanjir.

[Zaz]

Jeff Fisher looks like shotgunning beers at a NASCAR track.

[Jeremy]

If you say this game's the best,

[Mike]

I'll say Zach looks like his back, Jack.

[Jeremy]

Northwestern is gone from the tournament.

[Zaz]

Jim Harbaugh looks like a casket salesman.

[Jeremy]

Fairly Dickinson 16 seed repped by Mike McDaniel.

[Dan]

Look like a college student on a

[Zaz]

full ride scholarship for esports. What a run.

[Jeremy]

Looks like his back, Jack. They were down four. They were down four points with 52 seconds left. I really fell in love with that basketball team because of how tough that basketball team is for the University of Miami and they end up losing to Purdue. And the reason they lose to Purdue zas is because while they were going 1 for 8 from three at the start of the second half, Purdue shooting 75% from three for the second half. After losing their three point shooter to an injury Purdue, Purdue was ripe to be taken down. They played a very poor game for Purdue. Miami forced them into some of that but they, they lost Cox, a player that they needed and, but they just kept making threes and they, they crushed Miami. The best season in terms of feel good I think that Miami has ever had even though it didn't go deep, as deep as some other seasons have gone because it's the biggest Turnaround in Division 1 history. They last season was the worst season in program history and they turned it around and it's the biggest turnaround ever And I really grew to like that basketball team and they just got beat by randomness at the end.

[Mike]

Oh, I don't think it was randomness. I thought Purdue executed at a much higher level and they were better, which is, you know, they heard the, they were the number two seed for a reason. They had a little mid season hiccup and, and found their form in the, in the tournament. They, they killed Miami on those high screens and I thought Jay Lucas did the, the right thing in having Shelton Henderson try to guard the Big Ten's all time leading assists leader and he just ate them up. They, Miami had no answers for it all game long. It helps that they had a shooting guard that flatly did not miss. But there's no taking away the feel good from this season. That was the single greatest one year turnaround in that sport's history beyond proud and excited for next year. With a five star coming in and proof of concept to show the entirety of the transfer portal, Miami's headed in a great direction.

[Jeremy]

It'll be fun to watch Henderson's growth once he learns to shoot because he is still young and you learn in some of these games that these guys are just learning how to play basketball. The defense of Florida, we can give Iowa the credit for a really wonderful play with eight seconds left, but Florida can't allow that to happen that way. And then the end of the St. John's game, like that's just, it's just people learning how to play basketball that we're treating like professionals. Can you guys tell me, did they start this year with the halftime interviews of players? Because we're treating them, we're treating them like professionals and they're all just learning how to play basketball even though some of them are making $2 million a year. But I have found strange watching players interviewed during the. They started doing some of that in college football last year. When did this start happening? Like when. When were player interviews part of the media package? Did it come with the pay?

[Mike]

I reached out to an SID because I had never seen it before. Now granted, I just jumped back in because the last two seasons of Miami Hurricanes basketball really crushed my passion for the sport. But they've replaced coaching interviews at halftime with player interviews. I'd never seen it before. It's all new access for the NCAA tournament.

[Jeremy]

So, so when Mike says those as look, Purdue is better, they're the two seed and their execution was great. But even with what I told you, Miami one for eight from three and Purdue 75% from three in the second half. They're still down four with 50 seconds left.

[Zaz]

Yeah, and. And the three point shooting. The free throws as well. Too many fouls. Purdue is on the free throw line a lot. I thought late in the first half, I'm watching, you know, Kansas win this game. You know, they were up by like 7 at the time. Just so physical, you know, and. And they just couldn't make shots.

[Mike]

Miami was more athletic than them, but Purdue undersized on the perimeter, still found a way to stay in front of the opposing player. Miami didn't feel comfortable really attacking the basket. It was weird. They're looking for fouls, but they're also looking for contact and terrified to go to the line. Malik renew who? I think we have a photo of him at the concession. So it's funny, in full uniform here at the concourse. By all accounts, was super nice to anybody that approached him. In full uniform, waiting for some pizza in the concourse. You don't really see that often, not

[Zaz]

big time in anyone. Just waiting his turn.

[Mike]

Yeah, he was, he was a little timid, which we saw a little bit of that in the first half against Mizzou as well. I think ultimately just ran into a team that's better. And this is year one with Jay Lucas building. It's a bummer. But Purdue kicked their ass in that second half. And I think at a certain point you got to tip your hat to the opponent.

[Amin]

That first like six minutes of the game against Missouri was brutal. It was a brutal stretch of basketball.

[Mike]

Miss.

[Amin]

Clank off the backboard.

[Mike]

Missouri get it. Turnover. Miami got it.

[Amin]

Clank off the backboard.

[Mike]

Missouri got it.

[Amin]

Put it in the stands. Like we knew what this Miami team was. It was a muck it up kind of team. They're not a fast paced team. They're not a team that can shoot. And you talk about it. Dan, one freight in the second half and they went what, 75%, whatever that was, it was like, that's the game right there. It makes it really easy to play basketball when you can shoot threes and the other team can't.

[Zaz]

I felt a little bad too, on Friday night. Now, granted, you know, the game was in Missouri, so you know you're going to have a Mizzou crowd there. But there was no one there all weekend for the Canes. Like there were no canes fans there.

[Amin]

Zero.

[Mike]

That's why it sucks that they put it in St. Louis and the next round would have been in San Jose. Didn't get, didn't get a break from that, from that perspective. But Again, they ran into a team that kind of kicked their asses in the second half. You wear it and then you get super excited for where this program.

[Zaz]

Purdue's always in the sweet 16. Like, they're really good. Every year they played a really good.

[Amin]

They get beat by a bad team in the sweet 16 that goes on a run or they get beat early. Like, that's their M.O. they always get lose early.

[Mike]

This is the. The second time in history that everybody in the Sweet 16 is represented by a power conference.

[Zaz]

Oh, really?

[Mike]

Yes. And the previous time was last year. Texas and Iowa are your Cinderellas. It's a little bit different.

[Zaz]

No, you can't call Texas Cinderella.

[Jeremy]

You can't do that. One of the other great teams in Miami history, the Tim James team, also lost to Purdue. Gene Katie. I was not aware that Matt Painter, the Purdue coach, has coached the 21 years since Katy. I did. I was not aware that Katie was gone for 21 years and they just simply replaced him. It's a little hard to replace the legend. Correct. But he's just stayed there for 21 years. You guys have seen this Calvin Sampson sound, right? Purdue doesn't have any preordained right to be as good as they are. And Kelvin Sampson was giving some sound for Houston, where he's explaining that they're good despite what is, in today's day and age, the biggest handcuffs you can have in college sports. We have a very poor athletic department. We're poor. You know, we were poor when I got here. We're still poor. We probably have the lowest budget of anybody in Power four, you know, and,

[Dan]

you know, the way our recruiting is

[Jeremy]

going, we have to stop at some point because we don't have enough money to keep bringing in really good players.

[Dan]

And that's not easy for us to do.

[Jeremy]

People ask about recruiting, you know, teams that have the best recruiting classes usually have the most money. That's the way it is today. That simplified. In case you heard the loud thudding sound about 90 seconds ago, that was Amin trying to sneak into the show quietly and dropping his computer on the floor. So Amin's first contribution to our work week is failing to sneak in quiet.

[Amin]

And he's in the worst seat possible.

[Zaz]

His computer's right in front of the mic.

[Jeremy]

You can't get to the mic. Can't even see him. All I see is the camera that's in front of me. So I simply can't see a mean.

[Zaz]

The camera that's in front of that obstructed view.

[Jeremy]

No, it's not just an obstructed view. It makes it look like the camera in front of me has a human body and is wearing a sweatshirt. But the camera is right where Amin's face is and it knocks out the entirety of his face. So I can't tell while I make fun of when he how he walked in, I can't even tell if he's laughing or if he's bothered by this. But he is in, indeed in the worst seat.

[Dan]

I'm the spaceship from 2001 A Space Odyssey. Hello, Dan. You're having a wonderful show today.

[Jeremy]

You just made it better. Thank you for being here. I want to update our tournament some because I got to get rid of a whole bunch of teams. But I don't want to just skip past what this University of Miami season was. Just because they lost at the end, we don't get many opportunities to sell. This would have been in the last five years, their third appearance to the Sweet 16 if the last 50 seconds had been a little bit different. And sandwiched in there is the worst season in program history. And you don't get a lot of opportunities to have someone knocked out a little earlier than you'd like and still do the craps roll thing of good season, good roll, good season. Hell of a run. Because what they did was really impressive to watch. And I really just found myself enjoying the way they played baske because they played so hard. Like they were, they were, they were clearly trying all the time. Let me ask you this question before we get to our tournament, Dan.

[Mike]

I, I, are you like me? I had to learn to like this style because obviously I'd prefer making free throws. Nothing makes a sports fan rip their hair out more than a team that just can't make free throws. It's, it's like the easiest bit of banter that a sports fan can yell from the, the stands.

[Zaz]

Why don't they practice their free throws?

[Mike]

Yeah, make your free throws. I could not shoot. The game has evolved to a point that people shoot from the outside. But this is another reason why I've kind of gravitated to college basketball on that These teams have identities where in the pros everyone kind of plays the same style.

[Zaz]

That's one of the things I'm really enjoying about the tournament too. Like they'll take mid range jumpers. They're using the floor, you know.

[Mike]

Yeah, I don't, I don't have delusions of grandeur. Right. I know what my team is. I had to get used to it. I'm like all right, well, Jay says we're going to throw it at the shot clock and go get it and try to be more athletic and rebound these. That's who we are. Let's get a shiv and get after these guys. And this team made me adapt. I underestimated their talent, and man, thank God for them. Injected this program that felt a little lost after Jim Laranega knew that the time was right to step away. I'm so excited for the future. I hope we can keep our coach. But this team was really, really fun. And honestly, it's so random. This was one of the best regular seasons ever. And Miami's not a joke of a basketball program, Dan. Especially in the 21st century. They have some bona fides. They went to an elite eight. They went to a final four. They've won this conference. They haven't won it in football. They've won it in basketball. Hey, Roy, buddy. Yo. You know that energy shift when the game gets good and everybody all together in unison knows to stand up on their feet? Oh, absolutely, Mike.

[Jeremy]

Yeah?

[Mike]

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[Dan]

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[Dan]

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[Jeremy]

Oh, come on.

[Mike]

Yeah, I would be.

[Amin]

Aggressive description.

[Jeremy]

I mean, what is it? What is that?

[Dan]

I'm just saying that.

[Jeremy]

Just saying what?

[Mike]

That's me. I see that photo of Daniel Day Lewis looking like Lincoln before he's about to start filming. Lincoln, and you know what I do Amin stugats. I jerk off all over myself. That's what I do.

[Jeremy]

Lincoln, who you outed the other day.

[Mike]

Don't make this a rejoin.

[Zaz]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats. You mentioned you're hoping that they can keep their coach. I mean, we'll probably learn something today or tomorrow about Hubert Davis and Unc. I. I think they're gonna get rid of him. You're not worried that Jay Lucas, he's been a head coach not just in Miami and a power force. Well, no, but I mean, he's been a head coach one year in his life. Like UNC can't hire that.

[Dan]

Bon voyage.

[Zaz]

A head coach for one year. Bloodlines became the head coach at unc.

[Dan]

Bloodlines. He's the son of John Lucas, man. He's got. He's been coaching is in his blood. He's been a coach his whole life. They're going to say all those things.

[Jeremy]

Do you think it stops him at all that he went to Duke and wouldn't want to coach at North Carolina? That he was a Duke guy? I understand. It's a great job. I understand that. And one of the reasons, by the way, Mike, that I bring up the randomness of some of what happened because the Hurricanes had three halves where they shot three as well and then didn't. But Miami, when leading at the half was 18 and 2. And Purdue had only won two games all season when they trailed at the half. That was the third one all season that they won after they had trailed. But what do you think Amin or the camera that seems to indicate that Amin is here? You think that Jay Lucas would forsake Duke? I mean, that is the job that you would do it for, but it's also the job that would test that allegiance the most because of how much Duke and North Carolina hate each other. Like if you're gonna betray Duke.

[Zaz]

But he's not a Duke alum.

[Mike]

No, he was just an assistant there. His loyalty is not to that point.

[Dan]

And let's just for the sake of argument, let's just assume he was a Duke alum. There's only a handful of these jobs that are on that level, right? It's North Carolina, it's Kansas, it's ucla, Kentucky, Kentucky. I'd throw Duke in there. So, yes, absolutely. Forgetting about the fact that Miami is a smaller program compared to just regular powerhouse basketball programs. But then when you talk about among the powerhouse basketball programs, this is the elite of the elite of the elite, the Blue Bloods. This is the thing that, you know, money aside, just recruits, all name alone, you can never pass up that job if you're at Miami or any other kind of smaller program like that. Unless you thought that the Duke job could be available. But it doesn't seem that way with the job that Jon Scheyer's been doing.

[Jeremy]

Jeremy, would you do me the favor of looking up the origins of Blue Bloods and why royalty is known as Blue Bloodline? Because we use that phrase all the time. And I'm not actually sure where it comes from or what its origins are. When I mention that the Hurricanes play really hard and are a tough basketball team. Eric Spoelstra says of his present four game losing streak, we're going through a little bit of pain. It's going to make. Is it like I feel the heater kind of topped out on pain and achieving. And when I think of tough and playing hard, this isn't a problem of playing hard. Like this is like how much better is this team actually going to be through anything that he can do or any effort that can be applied. Like when he says, I generally agree with that statement. Going through pain will allow certain people willing to embrace it to grow and certain teams to grow. But what's how's this going to make them any better? Losing on a tip shot there on the day that Kevin Durant passes Michael Jordan on the all time scoring list.

[Zaz]

It's a classic spoism is really what it is. Doesn't mean it's not true. But it's a classic thing that.

[Jeremy]

Well, I think it's not true though. I, I'm saying it's not true. Like I'm saying in this instance they've, they've suffered all the suffering that they're going to suffer.

[Zaz]

You're right because as a result of the current four game losing streak, it's looking pretty likely they're going to finish in the nine, ten in the play in which of course means the best you could do is finish 8th if you wind up winning in the play in. And no one's going to say, hey, remember when we lost all seven of those games? Because they're going to all seven of those games in that stretch after the seven game win streak against good teams, it helped us like we're better off for it. Well, no, you just lost in the play and like your season's over there, like they're not going to be better for it.

[Jeremy]

Well, but one of the stats though that lets you know that their effort is sort of maxed out as is their achievement. Is the quote that he says. Our defense, defense for the season is top four, top five, but against playoff teams it drops out of the top 15 because they're doing the most they can with the people that they have and this is maxed out and it's going to lose to the better teams on the road.

[Amin]

Isn't that how all stats work though? You beat up on the bad teams

[Zaz]

and you know, the good teams are good against the good teams too, but

[Amin]

I would bet even they are better against the bad teams and just do fine against the good teams.

[Zaz]

Right. I'd like the Heat to do fine against the good teams.

[Amin]

They've beat the best team in each conference for what it's worth.

[Zaz]

Okay, but like, like Spo just said there, their defense is completely average. 15th when they're playing the good teams, like yeah, they got some good wins.

[Dan]

That's not bad. Like that's the point. Like if you said but they're elite

[Zaz]

against the bad ones.

[Dan]

Yeah, right.

[Amin]

That's what makes an elite defense.

[Dan]

Every, every season long stat is built on the corpses of all the bad teams you beat up. Right. And so if we were to create the ultimate strength of schedule where the Heat only play the Best teams all the time and never play the bad teams. And he told me that they're 15th as compared to everyone else's defense who get to play the good, the bad teams. Well, then that's pretty good.

[Zaz]

I mean, I, I don't, I'll ask this out loud. I don't know the answer to it. The Heater playing the spurs tonight's on national tv, so I'll use the spurs as an example. Do you think all the spurs numbers are just average against the good teams in the league? No, but it's probably significantly better.

[Dan]

There's a reason why the spurs have like the third best record in the league. I don't think anyone is saying this is one of the best teams in the league. We're just saying that, hey, being 15th against all the elite teams, not bad. When that 15th comes in the context of everyone else's rating includes playing bad teams. And so, you know, the idea here is you guys are like, oh, they're going to end up nine, ten, They're a game and a half behind five.

[Zaz]

I know, but in this stretch here, they have three more games tonight. San Antonio back to back against Cleveland. Like they're going to lose seven in a row.

[Dan]

Minnesota went to Boston yesterday and without Anthony Edwards and they won. I was like, there's no chance, there's no chance they went on and won that game. Like it. There's no foregone conclusions. About two weeks ago we're making jokes about the Atlanta Hawks have been.500 for the last five years and now they're on like a 12 game winning streak. A week ago we were talking about the best records. Post All Star break. The Heat and the Magic were on that list. Yeah, but then a four game losing streak, it changes it. But the standards are so condensed in the background.

[Zaz]

The Heater sitting in ninth in the Eastern Conference. Like you're making some great points about the Heat. They're ninth.

[Dan]

Yep.

[Zaz]

The ninth.

[Amin]

The take of like, take, don't play any of the bad teams, just play the good teams. While that take didn't make any sense,

[Jeremy]

the things that are plaguing this franchise at present are something that Stan Van Gundy always used to point out and people would ignore. He's like, why, why do we ignore the upcoming schedule? Why with these winning streaks, do we ignore who they've played during the winning streak? When they're beating Brooklyn twice and the Wizards and now they, this, this last one, I'm, I'm trying to think, okay, you go to Houston and you lose On a tip in buzzer beater. You are a team that has blown 33 double digit leads since last season, more than any other team in the sport. And yet. Yet that one felt worse to me than anything that I could remember outside of that Utah loss at home this season. Because when you lose at the buzzer and you're reeling and you've got tough games coming up, I'm trying to think this season, regular season, give me one that hurt the way that one did. Where you're playing a team you know is good, you're trying to get right, right. You're trying to get better in the middle of a losing streak and you make the stop against the guy who's now fifth passing Michael Jordan on the all time scoring list. But a tip in beach.

[Zaz]

But also you got to leave out the worst part of it is the possession. Right before it was a miracle that he'd have no timeouts. And they stole the inbounds pass and scored with five seconds left to take the lead. That shit never happens. And, and then you get the final play where, yes, bam, incredible defense on Durant and you still get the tip

[Amin]

it at the bottom in a 30, 20 game never happens.

[Zaz]

They stole the inbounds.

[Jeremy]

Give me one that felt worse than that one this season for you, Jeremy. Give me one. As someone who cares and wants to be right about. Because Mike's, Mike's saying a lot with that smirk. There's a lot being said with that smirk back there on

[Mike]

staying absolutely quiet.

[Jeremy]

I know, but that's, but that spark, that smirk speaks volumes there. Your silence is. You're. You're enjoying that silence in a way you normally don't enjoy silence.

[Mike]

That's right.

[Amin]

They mi. Missed a three that could have won a game in Boston on a Friday night where they lost by two and they had mucked things up with Boston. But this, this one's more deflating because now you just see where the standings are, right? Like if you get that win you went against Houston, you snapped the losing streak. Even if you lose tonight, it's not five in a row. It's okay. A loss against the spurs, you could feel differently and that one game may make the difference. And you could see it play out that way when really the games that make the difference are the losses against the Jazz or the Kings earlier in the year.

[Dan]

Those are the ones that hurt. Like losing at the buzzer to the Rockets. It sucks, but it's like, hey, it was a coin flip. Losing two, was it the Magic a few nights ago? That was. All right, close enough game. Losing to the Lakers, even. Even though that wasn't a coin flip game, but it. You were there, you were competitive up until the end. It's. We lost to the Jazz when they were actively trying to lose. That's the one that keeps SPO up at night.

[Zaz]

Dan, I had the dumbest experience watching this Heat Rockets game. So Saturday night I'm watching Villanova Nebraska. Instead of watching the Heat game, I'm recording the Heat game. Which, by the way, that Villanova, Vanderbilt. Excuse me. That Vanderbilt Nebraska game was as good a college basketball game I have ever seen that game.

[Amin]

Put the cassette in to record it.

[Mike]

What'd you do there?

[Zaz]

That game was incredible. So I'm recording the Heat game and I'm really tired after the college basketball. So, like, I'm just going to watch the Heat in the morning. All right? Not knowing who won, of course. Why would I want it spoiled for me, right? I wake up in the morning, I don't know what happened in the Heat game. You all know at this point that he lost the buzzer. I wake up in the morning, I put on the Heat game, I put the cassette in the vcr, I press the play button, and I'm watching the Heat game, okay? And it gets down to the end. The Heat make that steal. They score. I'm excited. I jumped off the couch. I called to my son, jordan, come down, come check this out. And he comes, and he comes into the room and I show him the replay. I hit the rewind button and I show him the replay of the Heat scoring. I go, look, they stole the inbounds pack. And he goes. Is that the end of the game? No, no, no. The game's gonna end right now. It's five seconds left. The Rockets have the ball. And then the Rockets score. And he just laughs and walks out the room.

[Mike]

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[Zaz]

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[Mike]

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[Amin]

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[Mike]

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[Jeremy]

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[Dan]

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[Dan]

Don LeBatard. Doesn't matter. Anywhere. We could do it in Buffalo or Baltimore. Either. You say you could do it.

[Jeremy]

Where?

[Mike]

Anywhere.

[Dan]

Oh. Whoa. Oh, that's crazy. That's crazy. That's craz.

[Jeremy]

He could do it anyway.

[Mike]

That's crazy.

[Dan]

Murder. Murder. Tell him st.

[Mike]

I had no idea. Mean had that in his locker. That might be his best. That's crazy. I'm not kidding.

[Dan]

That's crazy.

[Jeremy]

Killer.

[Dan]

It's two America's dead.

[Jeremy]

You don't get it.

[Zaz]

This is the D Levitar show with the stugats.

[Dan]

I just realized at the end of the story, you tape games without the knowledge of what happened in the game.

[Zaz]

You tape games and get the knowledge and then watch it?

[Dan]

Yes.

[Zaz]

No.

[Dan]

Like the. The. The result is secondary. I want to see what happened.

[Zaz]

No, I want to see what happened and watch it with the same suspense that I would the previous night. Which makes the experience even dumber because I spent my whole morning leading up to the Heat losing at the buzzer.

[Dan]

You avoid the news and avoid everyone.

[Zaz]

Yeah, well, avoid everyone. I'm at my house. I got people coming in and out.

[Dan]

No, your son. Does your son maybe say, dad, what was a crazy game last night?

[Zaz]

They know. They know not to say anything.

[Amin]

I thought he was going to social media.

[Zaz]

No, I stayed away from it.

[Amin]

I thought he was going to tell you how they lost anyway and then before it actually happened. And that crushes you.

[Mike]

That's what I thought was going to happen.

[Zaz]

Why would I record a game, know what happens, and then watch it? Especially if my team lost at the

[Dan]

buzzer to find out how he got there.

[Zaz]

No, no.

[Jeremy]

I mean, I'm assuming watches games the way a scout would watch some games. Like if Amin's taping something and rewatching it. I'm assuming that that's the way he's doing it. Especially if he insists on being armed with the result before he starts.

[Zaz]

I watch Heat and Panther Games, hours later, all the time never knowing the result.

[Dan]

Like living in a bubble where you're immune from reality.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, I told you. Hank Azaria does that in order to exercise. He avoids all social media for often days trying to make sure that a Knicks game, he can watch it two days later without knowing Sun's game much.

[Zaz]

I mean, days later.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Dan]

Is he watching Knicks wizards from last night like next week, like, come on guys.

[Jeremy]

I have a couple of questions though for you. I mean before I update our tournament real quick. You mentioned that Celtics lost. Jeremy, two of those. Again. I'm going to say it again. Again. The Heat have blown since last season. 33 double digit leads. It's more than any team in the sport. Two of them are against the Celtics who can erase leads quickly because of how they make and take threes. 22 point lead against the Celtics. 19 point lead against the Celtics. What do you make of that, Amin? Like what is that? Is there something telling about that?

[Amin]

Well, Amin, you could argue you gotta be good enough to get those double digit leads.

[Dan]

That's a good point. You were a bad team. You wouldn't be good enough to be up double digits in order to blow the double digit lead. No, I mean, look, this is the part where Mike being smug. I'm like, I don't get what your point is. They should have a better roster. No shit. We all know they should have a better roster. But again, my point has been consistent against Mike for the last couple of years. You act like it's a choice. They're like, no, no, this is good enough. Well, most of the time it's not. It's. You're trying to actively improve your roster with other trade partners who are not willing to go along with what you want to do.

[Mike]

No, I'm not saying ever that they, they chose this. The one thing that they are making an active decision against is, you know, packing it totally. And we got no shot. Let's tank. That's not what this organization does. I have to, as a Heat fan, I have to understand that no, they're not that good because they failed in the pursuits of upgrading the roster.

[Dan]

Yeah, I feel like his smugness is

[Zaz]

at Jeremy because Jeremy thinks they're good enough.

[Mike]

I'm not smug. The season's playing out the way they, that we all thought it would. Well, most of us thought it would after the trade deadline where they kind of stood pat. They're playing team. I don't know, maybe we can get excited depending on the matchup in the first round, but I mean, five games ago, Jeremy was demanding an apology.

[Amin]

And, well, that was also because Bam scored 83 points.

[Mike]

No, but, like, I. But I also knew the schedule, like, that's a real tough schedule against teams that are better than them, and that's played out. And now they have Wemby. I'm not going to demand an apology. This doesn't make me happy. You know, we'll go into the off season, try to upgrade and play for the things that this franchise typically plays for.

[Jeremy]

What do you do? I mean, with the fact that Norman Powell is now coming off the bench. He's got a totally redundant skill set and stats as Tyler Herro, and he's saying, look, I'm a starter in this league. I'll do what they want me to do. But in terms of making them better, he's not making them better. If all you're doing is the redundancy of. Hero will get the numbers or Powell will get the numbers, and they're going to be similar numbers.

[Dan]

Yeah, I mean, that's the. I mean, that's a tough part when you have redundancies. Like, is it the role or is it the person? And the reality is, SPO's always been a tinkerer. He's not a guy who's married to. This is the lineup, and that's it. So this is par for the course that he's. Guys move in and out of the lineup.

[Jeremy]

It's par for the course. But that's an all star. That's on your bench.

[Dan]

Sure. I mean, but it's not on your bench. He's just not starting. Which is like, these are the semantics of basketball. Right. Very rarely does starting ever have anything to do with them more than just the honor that I got to hear my name called every once in a while. You get. There are players that. I remember. We had this with Grant Hill when I was in Phoenix. Grant Hill, his second season with us. We're going to bring him off the bench and let Matt Barnes start. And what Grant Hill discovered is like, I'm 100 years old. I warm up before a game, and then you tell me to sit on the bench, I lock up. And so now when I get back in the game, like, my body's completely cold and I couldn't do it. It had nothing to do with the ego of it. It's just that he physically could not go through the process of warming up, cooling down, and then go out there and be effective. But for the most part, what Norman Powell is talking about is the pride of being, hey, man, I'm a starter in this league. How can I come off the bench? And the reality is, hey, man, we're trying to make things work. We're trying to figure out something that works here. And other than hurting your feelings, like Jeremy said, said, you're playing big minutes. It's not like you're playing 22 minutes a night. You're closing a lot of the times. So it's like, so what are we talking about? Just. You didn't hear your name called.

[Zaz]

But moving forward, like into next year, because Norman Powell is obviously going to be a free agent, you can't pay Tyler Herro and whatever Norman Powell is going to cost moving forward, even if you could, when they're the same guy.

[Dan]

Even. Even if you could. Even if, like. No, no, we have.

[Zaz]

I mean, you could. No, you could, but you don't want to.

[Dan]

Well, yeah, it just. It doesn't make sense.

[Zaz]

Right? That's right.

[Dan]

So you can either do one of two things. You can either engage Norman Powell in a sign and trade deal and see what happens out there, or you say Tallahiro, under contract with now a very decent looking number. When he signed, everyone lost their mind. Now it's like, oh, this is actually a really good deal. You go out there and you see what you can get for him. Absolutely. That's a prudent thing to do. But it's kind of foolish to sit here and say, well, I'm going with this guy or that guy. You got to see what the options are.

[Zaz]

Actually the thing that they should have done, like, they should have had the foresight and it would have been a balls move, but they should have had the foresight to say, you know what, we could sell really high on Norman Powell at this trade deadline. Like, that's. If they, like, it would have been a balls move, but that's really what they should have done.

[Dan]

It's a balls move. But you know what ends up doing it sends a message that, like, we are not all in on competing this year. And so. And like Mike, that goes back to what Mike said, this. Organizationally, the decree is we don't tank, we don't. We don't circle the wagons. We continue to fight. And no matter, wherever it lands, we take our chances as long as we got a shot in the postseason.

[Amin]

People felt the same way about Andrew Wiggins at the deadline, right? Which was you have a guy with a player option at 30 million going into next year. He never plays and he. Well, he hasn't played for the Last four games, he's been their second best player. This season he's had a career year. He's been really, really good. And without him over these games, you've. You've missed him as a wing defender and another offensive threat also. Blue blood. It stems from Spanish nobility. So for the folks who did not have to go out and work, their skin was lighter and you could see their blue veins in turn. Blue blood.

[Mike]

That's interesting. I have a question for Dan, Jeremy and Zaz, in that order, collectively. You can answer it again, I don't want to be a tanking franchise. I don't. I think that there is a difference in one isolated year to know that, all right, we don't have it this year. Let's kind of pack it in, reassess. You can couch it by saying, let's develop some guys. I don't think that's tanking. If they looked at this year, said, we're not really going anywhere that we want to go. Let's try to build up some assets. I think that's a mid season evaluation that you make and for the better of your franchise, you try to develop these other pieces. I don't think that makes you a tanking franchise. I really don't. I don't think that's counterculture.

[Amin]

I just look at the success that they've had with the guys that they've drafted, where they've drafted them. Like I heard Tony say in the background, like, oh, it's a good draft. Every draft is like, oh, you can get this guy here. You can get this guy here. If you're drafting at 11th or 12th because you decided to tank after the deadline, I don't know the difference that that's making for the Heat in particular from say, drafting 15th. You know, that's where they've acquired all of these guys who have overachieved or are really talented young players. Khalil Ware is very, very talented. Casper Yakachonas has looked really good for a 19 year old point guard. So I don't know the difference between those two things. And personally, whether it's from, you know, someone who covers a team, but really even just from the fan perspective, like, I'd rather watch the rest of the season knowing my team can win on any given night. That game against Houston's entertaining.

[Jeremy]

Doesn't matter what the fans want. The people. The person who runs Your franchise is 82 years old and over his dead body, like he's not gonna tank, like he's not gonna spend this portion of his life trying to build something for five years from now. Like, he wants to see if they could do what they did against Giannis in the first round again. And he's gonna be wrong. But you gotta blow out Pat Riley if you want to lose on purpose or if you're not gonna try.

[Mike]

Right? But I guess the disconnect for me is I'm not suggesting something that's an affront to your franchise's DNA. Just rather than do this for three years, I'm saying let's do this for a couple of months and put yourself in position where you can be more aggressive this off season and take into consideration the fact that you are 82, you're on a treadmill right now. Let's hop off. I think that's a quicker way to get to where everybody wants to go.

[Zaz]

I do wonder how much did the experience, because they have tanked before. Okay, they did in 2008. And I wonder how much the experience of. Of it that resulted in Michael Beasley, which flat out did not work. Like, I wonder how much that changed their M.O. that they're never going to do it again.

[Jeremy]

I'd say it's something else. I would say that greatness usually doesn't have very much self awareness about decline. Greatness has overcome so many odds that it always thinks that it can overcome the next ones. Like, I don't generally think that There's a lot of self awareness where Pat Riley is saying, no, I can't do this, I don't have a chance. Because he's always had a chance. When he was a player, when he was in college, in every role he's ever had, he's thought he's had a chance. Why would he be someone who would have self awareness about my team isn't a team that can win when they won as an eight seed against a one, when it was Giannis.

[Dan]

Isn't Blue Bloods the show that Stan Van Gundy watches like every Tuesday night?

[Jeremy]

Oh, that's. That's the CSIs and the Chicago.

[Mike]

I'm with Amin. He's definitely a fan of that, too.

[Zaz]

Donnie Wahlberg, Tom Selleck.

[Mike]

I think I saw JB on it.

[Amin]

Jalen Brown was on an episode.

[Mike]

Oh, yeah, Yeah, I think so.

[Zaz]

By the way, I think we need to give Stan Van Gundy a shout out here, here, because we all rolled our eyes last week when he told us the best shooter in the league is Luke Kennard. And Luke Kennard drilled that three at the buzzer against the Magic on Saturday night.

[Jeremy]

I sent Tony a video of Luke Kennard hitting the side of the backboard earlier in that game with a shot from the corner.

[Amin]

He also said that Bama Tobia was, like, the 13th best center in the.

[Jeremy]

He did not say that. It was attributed to him by somebody here who betrayed you. Him. No, I didn't do that. It was somebody.

[Mike]

Sure.

[Jeremy]

Scalabrini came up to Stan and said, you said that. Because you guys lied to Scalabrini and said that Stan had said that.