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Date details@lowe's.com SameDayDelivery this is the Dan
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Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Well, it's a good thing that we were warned. Good thing we were warned at the beginning of the week where Jeremy walked in here and he told us, don't let the Miami Heat win both games this week. If they won both games this week, that would be a five game winning streak. A All right. If they won both games this week, they'd have been sitting six games over.500. Season best is seven games over.500. Don't let us win both games this week. And it's a good thing you warned us, Jeremy, because they did not.
Jeremy Zaslow
You're welcome. I was prescient.
Dan Le Batard
The league took notice and sent out its best in the form of Milwaukee and Philadelphia to make sure the mission was carried out.
Jeremy Zaslow
But so who is the one that he did tash counsel and got in the way of the Heat winning two in a row. It's somebody in this room, I assume. Is it Zaslow? Is, is he the responsible party?
Mike Ryan
No. I mean, I, I, I was on board. You know, I told you the other day, I, I get sucked in momentarily with this Heat team where, where, you know, they look good to me. I like watching Jaime Hawke has, and I like watching Keller Ware and, and Casper is Jakartunus and, and Pella Larson. I, I, I can get into this team. And then they get smoked in the fourth quarter against a bad Milwaukee team. And then last night, they stunk. Last night they stunk.
Dave Damashek
Last night they stunk in the first half. The second half was a close game. It was nip and tuck. It was back and forth. And then at the. I thought Spode just felt stuck with a lineup that wasn't great for a little too long in the fourth.
Jeremy Zaslow
Yep.
Dave Damashek
And that's when Philly made its move. And then at the end, when you needed to make every shot and have them not make shots, that didn't happen. Right. And the biggest shot, of course, well, the big play was the maxi layup where Adam Bona's just, just playing as
Jeremy Zaslow
Larry Allen, offensive lineman, just shoving everybody out of the way.
Mike Ryan
No call.
Dave Damashek
No call on that. But then the big shot was Embiid. Hit the shot, and you got to give him credit. Look, respect. The guy hit a big three.
Mike Ryan
I don't respect.
Dave Damashek
You don't respect it.
Jeremy Zaslow
He's been playing great the last, like,
Dan Le Batard
10, 15, 20 games.
Jeremy Zaslow
He's playing really, really well.
Dave Damashek
They're good. That's all you got to say. Oh, and then he lost. Like, Philly's a good team.
Jeremy Zaslow
Really good. When they have them beat.
Mike Ryan
What does that mean? Good team? Like, they're going to get to the playoffs. You think they're going to win a series?
Jeremy Zaslow
Well, they're 21 and 12 when they have Embiid.
Mike Ryan
Okay, answer my question, though. You think you win a series in the playoffs?
Dan Le Batard
Maybe.
Dave Damashek
Because the odds are they're going to be injured. That's, that's why we're saying no.
Jeremy Zaslow
But if Tony, get off that ledge.
Dan Le Batard
Dude, I said maybe.
Dave Damashek
If you told me they were healthy, I'd say yes. I think they could win a series. They could win two series. They could win the East.
Jeremy Zaslow
Who's the best bet, besides the Celtics to get to the finals from the East? Because we, as we've discussed all week long, now there is a reason. You know, you can put the mic where you can Just not have to make your face off. No, I liked. I just like to move it around. It gives me gravitas to move it wherever I'm going.
Mike Ryan
It's a power move.
Jeremy Zaslow
Yeah, that's as low's got the power move. You know, he has a weird movie. He rests his arm, his coffee. He read.
Mike Ryan
Has anybody else taking my coffee?
Jeremy Zaslow
Because I want to. I want to. I want to. Oh, put your model your behavior. It's at my elbow. It's not dirty. Zaslo uses his own coffee thing I do as a. As a. To prop up his elbow. That's a power. Look how casual I am, everybody. We've discussed that the Celtics with trying to reintegrate Jayson Tatum. I think it's a little overstated how hard it's going to be for that team. That is pretty ripe. But if it's not the Celtics, I mean, who is it?
Dave Damashek
I mean people are not going to like this answer. It's the Knicks. The Knicks are the most complete team.
Mike Ryan
The Knicks are reason like not to during the regular season. But they did that last year too.
Dave Damashek
They did that last year. They got their heads beat in by the Celtics every time they saw him. And then when they saw him in the playoffs, a lot of people are going to revision his history. Say Tatum got hurt. Tatum got hurt. After it was over, it was like
Mike Ryan
this is the end of about to go down 3 1.
Dave Damashek
Put him in the dirt. Yeah, it was like put him in the dirt. Time. And so I think the Knicks have it all. They their thing is just hey, can we consistently defend when we have both Towns and Brunson on the floor at the same time? Can Towns really step up? Those are the question marks. But it's like scoring. They've got scoring. Clutch scoring, they've got it. Rebounding, they've got it. Defense on the wings, they've got it. They've got everything. There's nothing that they lack. Right. In a way that I could say Detroit doesn't have shooting. In a way that I could say why me against Cleveland now with hardening, Cleveland's interesting.
Jeremy Zaslow
It's just not going to be Detroit. We can eliminate them because as we've also discussed, the NBA is progressive. It's post seasons are in the sense that you do not come out of nowhere, make the postseason and make a deep. Make a deep.
Mike Ryan
Well, they got their small.
Jeremy Zaslow
They get the case last year. Now they win around or maybe even conference finals.
Dan Le Batard
They don't.
Jeremy Zaslow
They're not going to the final. So we can eliminate Them as well.
Mike Ryan
The, the thing that, the thing that concerns me about Detroit, because I think Detroit's great, but the thing that concerns me about Detroit is a little bit what we saw earlier in the week when they played. I think it was San Antonio. Right. And they lost the game, but not just lost the game where Cunningham was 5 of 26. And what's it going to look like when we get to the playoffs and the other team you're playing in a seven game series is going to hone in on you on a nightly basis. That being Cade Cunningham, are you going to be able to find a way to still have great offensive nights?
Dan Le Batard
I mean it's going to be tough, right? Because if you get the double, you
Jeremy Zaslow
denying him on the ball, returning that back way, you have Jalen Duran, who's a monster down low.
Dan Le Batard
Like I looked him up. He's incredible. He's good. Yeah, he's a very good player. Yeah, he's good. You told me to look him up and I did and he's good. Jalen Duran could be the key to unlocking if he can reach that potential
Jeremy Zaslow
in the playoffs and he could play
Dan Le Batard
the way that he's playing double double
Jeremy Zaslow
machine, maybe sprinkle in a 20 and 15 game here and there.
Dan Le Batard
Like that's a team that can throw
Jeremy Zaslow
it back to the old school 2004
Dan Le Batard
pistons and like really be a problem for teams that want to run and
Mike Ryan
gun because outside of K to me and like there's not a ton of offense on that team.
Dave Damashek
It's. It's not even. It's just. There's no creation. Right. It's no creation. It's no guy that if Cade is getting doubled and he throws it out now this guy is attacking 4 on 3 and can make stuff happen. There's no guy that when Cade sits. I can run the offense. I can do. I mean like yeah, Danis Jenkins and Carol, it's like these are not.
Jeremy Zaslow
Caris Lavert can get a bucket.
Dave Damashek
Yeah, but it's. But it's not enough to carry a team offense. Is that what we're talking about? We're talking about if I take Cade off the table, which is what a playoff team will.
Mike Ryan
That's what I'm talking about.
Dave Damashek
A good playoff team is going to take him off the table and at that point it's on someone else to make it hurt so bad that the defense goes back to. All right, let's say. Okay, get a couple. You'd rather that than hemorrhaging over here. Four on three or Whatever it is. They don't really have that guy. And if they have that guy, I don't have him as being experienced enough to. Because a lot of his decision making isn't it.
Dan Le Batard
Duncan Robinson has plenty of experience and you want to trust him in the playoffs. You certainly want to.
Jeremy Zaslow
You want to big shot Duncan.
Mike Ryan
I'm not letting you skate though. Jeremy. Yeah, he's so I'm not letting you get out of this. That's right. I haven't forgotten no one in here.
Jeremy Zaslow
I didn't skate. Those Panthers, huh?
Mike Ryan
Don't worry, we're going to get down.
Dan Le Batard
Big Dub.
Mike Ryan
Don't ask that ass.
Jeremy Zaslow
Roy, what'd you think about.
Mike Ryan
Don't deflect. No, no, Roy. Don't take the bait. You're going to fall for the rope. A dope. You're too smart for that. We're not getting to that yet.
Dan Le Batard
All right, I'll wait on it.
Mike Ryan
Jeremy started the week. Don't let the Miami Heat win these games this week. And after we're feeling good about this team. Post all star break a three game win streak. They lay a turd burger the other night and they lay another turd burger tonight.
Jeremy Zaslow
Wouldn't call last night.
Mike Ryan
It is a turd burger.
Dan Le Batard
It is lost.
Mike Ryan
They took the lead with 2 minutes and 45 seconds left in the game. They didn't score again.
Dave Damashek
They were down 18.
Mike Ryan
All right.
Jeremy Zaslow
They came back from down 18 in the second half and then we're up by one with two minutes left. That's right there. And their guys made shots at home.
Mike Ryan
Win the game. Talking to me like this Philadelphia team's any good. Here's Bam out of bio. Listen to Bam. Take it from Bam.
Jeremy Zaslow
He's frustrated.
Mike Ryan
Here's Bam after the game last night as the Miami Heat lose both the games that Jeremy warned everyone not to let the Heat win.
Jeremy Zaslow
I said don't let them win because I would become annoying like I said. And bam. But they lost.
Dan Le Batard
We accomplished nothing.
Jeremy Zaslow
I don't know what you're talking about.
Mike Ryan
Is very frustrated.
Dave Damashek
We didn't play hard enough.
Jeremy Zaslow
Effort was the issue in the first half.
Dave Damashek
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
So what changed in the second half?
Mike Ryan
So we played harder.
Dave Damashek
I mean obviously you see the energy shift when we're playing harder. We're diving on the floor and making multiple efforts.
Dan Le Batard
This was a big game.
Dave Damashek
A lot of stakes to it in the standings.
Mike Ryan
How do you kind of explain that effort was an issue just in the first. Early on first half the game was some importance. Didn't play hard enough, bro.
Dave Damashek
I mean, I Don't know how to explain effort. I don't want to be in anymore. We're better than being in the plan every for the last four years.
Mike Ryan
See, that's the part I'll disagree with. If you're in that spot four straight years, I don't know that you're actually better than it.
Dan Le Batard
That's who you are. And it seems like not one year, it's four years. Just from his tone, it seems like that's starting to wash over him. Thank God I got the raise as a part of this package as well, because I paid for this Miami Heat.
Mike Ryan
Oh, when did. So when did you.
Dan Le Batard
I did that I wanted to believe. I saw, you know, the Norm Powell thing.
Mike Ryan
Was it when Jeremy said at the beginning of the week not to let the Heat win both games?
Dan Le Batard
No, no, I did. I did it like a couple months into the season. I'm like, at a certain point, the Miami football season will end and I'll need another distraction to get me to the next Miami Hurricanes football season. Or at the very least, did it serve its purpose? No. I've seen three games, all of which Jeremy's been on the broadcast and I haven't seen a single dub yet.
Mike Ryan
I feel like it's been a really long time. I don't have it in front of me. I feel like it's been a really long time since the Heat have beaten a team that's like, good.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah.
Jeremy Zaslow
Again, how's Jeremy doing?
Dan Le Batard
Hate being right about this. Hey, going back to the NBA.
Jeremy Zaslow
I'm really good.
Dave Damashek
I'm super into the NBA. We're on the NBA.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, yeah, yeah. But the rest of the NBA and teams that actually matter, you mentioned.
Jeremy Zaslow
Let's do that.
Dan Le Batard
The acquisition of James Harden. You know, can I walk back my initial James Harden legacy takes? Because I actually think he's going to make a huge impact for this team. And it's because Garland wasn't giving them anything. So they just.
Mike Ryan
Essentially they added James Harden for nothing.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah. And they did so with the intention of, like, man, we need somebody to help us get over the Knicks. Now, I only got a one game sample and James Harden did hurt his thumb. He intends to play through that.
Dave Damashek
He's quiet. He's questionable for tonight.
Dan Le Batard
So James Harden seems to have been a really big time acquisition for the Cleveland Cavs. And I kind of believe.
Mike Ryan
Well, didn't he just like break his
Dan Le Batard
hands and I know what I'm saying. Coupling Cleveland and James Harden, two irresistible forces are colliding that can't do anything in the playoffs, famously, they can't get over the.
Jeremy Zaslow
You're on a hot streak, Mike. Bet on the Leafs to win the cup while you're at it. Why is James Harden suddenly, at whatever age, he is going to turn his entire career around and disprove all of it?
Dan Le Batard
It's crazy enough that I think he's got better guys around him.
Jeremy Zaslow
Also, you say he's been on a lot of real good teams.
Dan Le Batard
Well, can I out there because of him, I'm going to outsource my argument to Amin Elhas and why this is crazy enough that it just might work, my friend.
Dave Damashek
Yeah. No, it's like, yeah, he's been on a lot of really good teams because of him. They were good teams because of him, not because he joined a team already in progress. That was good.
Jeremy Zaslow
The Sixers were good because of James Harden.
Dave Damashek
The Sixers were good because when they were healthy, they were good. What happened was nobody was healthy. Nobody was healthy.
Mike Ryan
Right.
Dave Damashek
And so James Harden, his last playoff run with the Sixers, he was incredible until the last game. You know what? People didn't ask about Joel Embiid not being so great in that series. They don't talk about that because he's a lightning rod. Harden is, if you look at those, the best teams he was on with his Houston Rockets team was 100% because of him. And so he's come into the situation and he said, at his age, I would accept that if there were signs of deterioration. He's playing great. He's been playing great when he was with the Clippers, he's playing great as a cav. But now he's being asked to do less than he probably was with the Clippers or even the Sixers before that. It's amazing.
Jeremy Zaslow
Maybe that is the trick. You're right. He doesn't have to carry the load really quick.
Dan Le Batard
The last good team the Miami heat beat was January 17th. Wow.
Jeremy Zaslow
Where they beat the Thunder. 122. 120.
Dave Damashek
That was a great game.
Mike Ryan
Yeah. Like this, this past three game win streak for the Heat, it's been a
Dan Le Batard
month and a half.
Mike Ryan
The Hawks and the Grizzlies, they've got
Jeremy Zaslow
seven of their next eight at home. And it's so funny because they've like lost some of these games that are so frustrating. Right. You're terrible in Milwaukee, against Milwaukee, and yet you, at different times of the year, you beat the Thunder, you beat the Pistons, and you wonder what the team looks like at their upside. And then they have games like this where you get frustrated because you go and have such an opportunity this week to go get two on the road, put yourself in a good position. You don't. It's the reason why Bam is so frustrated. It's the reason why Eric Spoelstra is saying to, like, embrace the privilege of the pressure. But what it is, is now you got seven of eight at home and a bunch of them are against bad teams. So if you don't take advantage now they got tomorrow, they've got on Sunday, they've got the Rockets, and then. But then after that, it's like Brooklyn twice. I think they have. They'll go to Charlotte, which is going to be actually a tougher game. But then there's Washington in there. They're going to face teams that matter here in the standings because they'll play Orlando in a week, too. So there's all these teams that they're sitting right around. They'll get the struggling Lakers at some point. Hey, at least right now, if you're a Heat fan, you're not a Lakers fan because you don't have Luka Doncic, LeBron James, Austin Reeves, and you're flailing.
Mike Ryan
They lost to the buzzer last night.
Jeremy Zaslow
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Dan Le Batard
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Dan Le Batard
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Mike Ryan
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Dan Le Batard
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Mike Ryan
Can I tell you about the Lakers real quick?
Dave Damashek
Tell me about the Lakers.
Mike Ryan
I like, I know we talked about it yesterday where they're they're not going to win a series. They're not going to win a first round series. I'm amending what I just said there. They won't win a playoff game.
Dave Damashek
Oh, they're going to get swept.
Mike Ryan
Yep. They won't win a playoff.
Dave Damashek
I think it depends on who they play. I Don't know if you could just outright say that, I guess.
Mike Ryan
Okay, well, well, right now they're sixth in the West. Play the three, which means they would play, you know, Houston, maybe it's Denver.
Dave Damashek
They can win games against Houston.
Mike Ryan
I, I think they're going to win zero playoff games this year.
Dave Damashek
If it's Denver, they're getting swept. I withdraw that. If it's Houston, I think they can win a couple games. If it's San Antonio, by the way, for that matter, I think they can win a couple.
Dan Le Batard
I think Luka can have a 50
Jeremy Zaslow
burger in there and lead him to a victory.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, like, I mean, 41 last night, they still didn't win.
Jeremy Zaslow
All right, the buzzer though, dude.
Dave Damashek
Did you see Clint Capella with the clap back? This is. I was so proud of him. Right. Because I'm like, how do, how do you respond to something like this? You know, like, you know, do you do the usual day, like, let's compare resumes.
Mike Ryan
Oh, it's meant as an insult to.
Dan Le Batard
Sure.
Dave Damashek
For sure. But I'm like, how does Capella. I'm like, how's Capella gonna respond? So if you don't know, I would
Mike Ryan
think Capella would be.
Dave Damashek
Let's set it up. Hold on. Let's set it up. The report from Dave McMenamon the other night is that Deandre Ayton was yelling, they're trying to turn me into Clint Capella. Right. And yes, as Zazz says it was. That's absolutely meant as a derogatory statement. Like I'm this and you're trying to make me into this. It's way.
Mike Ryan
There's no evidence of him being this.
Dave Damashek
Yeah. Or even being higher than Capella in terms of career achievement.
Mike Ryan
Right. If you ask the Lakers right now, would you roll the dice on what you think deandre Ayton could be, or would you take Prime Capella?
Dave Damashek
Prime Clint Capella. It's not just the Lakers. It's 30 NBA teams would say that and probably a bunch of G league teams and probably a bunch of international teams as well. Now this arrives on Clint Capella's doorstep. Of course, you can't avoid it. Something like that is said. The media, social media is going to come to you. And so I was wondering, how do you respond? Do you do the resume thing? Do you talk about, hey, man, you're the. And he hit him with the most. It's like simultaneously high road and got him right between the eyes. He says you got two of the best floor generals in the league. Lock in and it's like. It's perfect. It's like, yo, this is the place of privilege you live in. You should be more focused on that than what little old me is doing or what a little me has done. Awesome. I loved it. It's awesome.
Mike Ryan
I don't think they'll win a single. I don't think they're gonna win a single playoff game.
Jeremy Zaslow
The best part about Ayton is in that report wasn't the Clint cappella thing.
Mike Ryan
There's so much in that story.
Jeremy Zaslow
It was Da's crunk juice.
Dave Damashek
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
You know that crunk juice.
Dave Damashek
I have a whole about that crunk juice that apparently.
Jeremy Zaslow
I know you are. According to McMenamin, the Lakers training staff wraps Ayton's water bottle and has it say, da's crunk juice. Drink this to unleash the beast to keep him motivated. So I've got JT's crunk juice right here.
Dave Damashek
It's like a nice latte. It's like a little bit of. What's it called? Space Jam stuff. Cocaine, by the way.
Jeremy Zaslow
I didn't know what you were doing.
Mike Ryan
By the way. That crunk juice led to two points and four rebounds.
Dan Le Batard
Dominating.
Jeremy Zaslow
I like that. Zaslow showed up. He's like, why fix what ain't broke? I'm wearing the hat backwards to close out the week. And then he also makes a statement, calling back to where we've been the last couple of days. You want to talk about best American band? Metallica. A lot of people hit me up about. About that. That that was a major omission collectively, to not throw out Metallica. They don't make my list, but I guess they're worthy of consideration, right?
Dan Le Batard
Like the gold standard, which we should have spent more time on. The Eagles. I think with some time to reflect on it, we probably should have.
Mike Ryan
I do want to get to that
Dan Le Batard
a little bit more. Just like Metallica, they were just casually mentioned. Metallica can lay claim to best American band. You mentioned the Grateful Dead. Yeah, I did. No. Number one. Flatly, no.
Jeremy Zaslow
The band, basically the band that dominated summer touring for half a century. Reject them.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, reject them. You know, Draws a bunch. Fish. Yeah, Fish also draws a bunch. No one's confusing them for the best ever. Yeah. Shakedown Street. Great song.
Jeremy Zaslow
Shakedown Street.
Dan Le Batard
Awesome. Little Diddy. The rest of them, just one big song.
Jeremy Zaslow
Disco Years.
Dan Le Batard
They're not even. They're not even silver or gold medalists in the Bay Area.
Mike Ryan
You know about that. Sugar Magnolia.
Dan Le Batard
It's like Green Day and Metallica can
Jeremy Zaslow
take the I was surprised that Green Day didn't come up. Green Day? What you're. What you're throwing out here? Mike Ryan, better band. Year of the Lord, 2026.
Dan Le Batard
Yes.
Jeremy Zaslow
Green Day over the Grateful Dead. Way better. I like Green Day a lot. They are not comparable to the Grateful Dead in terms of influence.
Dave Damashek
Influence.
Jeremy Zaslow
In terms of influence. What are you talking, dominating decade?
Mike Ryan
Influence?
Dan Le Batard
Trey Anastasia, what are you talking about?
Dave Damashek
Wait a second. Influence. You know how many sound alikes came off of Green Day?
Jeremy Zaslow
Literally every banger sound alike. Green Day, pop punk.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, what are we talking about?
Dave Damashek
Influences? It's not about establishing. It's. Do I like when people start doing this? They're like, well, what got you into it? Like, oh, Green Day. That's the idea. It's not like you have.
Jeremy Zaslow
Like.
Dave Damashek
It's the same thing. Michael Jackson. You say you think Michael Jackson was a. What about James Brown? Like those guys were.
Jeremy Zaslow
I think your chronology is all out of whack. The Green Day does not emerge.
Dave Damashek
It's not about chronology.
Jeremy Zaslow
In a vacuum with.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, the.
Jeremy Zaslow
The Seattle thing is already happening. Is Green.
Mike Ryan
David, you know about that dookie?
Jeremy Zaslow
I know about dookie.
Dan Le Batard
When does.
Jeremy Zaslow
When does dookie happen? Green Day and Nirvana both had their first hits happen at the same early night one. Same time as the Red Hot Chili Peppers, for that matter. Okay, so that same year, Red Hot
Dan Le Batard
Chili Peppers also deserve on the list.
Dave Damashek
Absolutely.
Jeremy Zaslow
So what you're describing is a wave of sound winning, of adjacent sounds kind of all emerging at once. In other words, Green Day was not a trailblazer.
Dave Damashek
We all stand on the shoulders of giants. You don't have to trailblaze.
Jeremy Zaslow
Listen to Kareem over there.
Dave Damashek
If I influence millions of people to follow me, even if I ripped off my act from one guy that nobody
Jeremy Zaslow
heard of, I'm not down on being derivative. I'm not saying that. I'm just saying if you're holding up Green Day as a massive influence, it is for this generation. I think you're taking it too far.
Dan Le Batard
I don't wanna park my car in the garage project you in? Done.
Dave Damashek
He's outside.
Dan Le Batard
Well, I also.
Jeremy Zaslow
What we. What we failed to mention is. And I don't know how you separate the two, so I'm just entering them as one band. Allman Brothers, Lynyrd Skynyrd.
Mike Ryan
That.
Jeremy Zaslow
That is in the conversation for.
Mike Ryan
In the conversation, or if you went, one, two great American bands, you're going,
Jeremy Zaslow
I think you gotta enter them. No, as one. They count on one line together.
Mike Ryan
But you're talking about them at the very top.
Jeremy Zaslow
It still is REM number one.
Mike Ryan
It's never been.
Jeremy Zaslow
You can argue that all you want.
Dan Le Batard
It's all right. Says you're right yesterday. Influence.
Jeremy Zaslow
Are they. It's available. Listen.
Dave Damashek
Yes.
Jeremy Zaslow
You guys say it into a microphone, then people listen on the other end and they go, boy, Amin is right. They really didn't influence anybody. And then you go online and you can look up a wealth of quotes from Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder that I started to tell you yesterday. They cite REM as their influence.
Dave Damashek
Your point yesterday was that they are influenced college radio. That was your. That was your point? Yes.
Jeremy Zaslow
No, no, no, no. I also mentioned by name Kurt Cobain and Eddie Vedder, and I should throw in Tom York of radio.
Dave Damashek
Where's Kurt Cobain now?
Jeremy Zaslow
Oh, man.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, plenty of people cite Bob Dylan and Bruce Springsteen as influences.
Jeremy Zaslow
Three of the biggest bands go. That were in the last. In the last 40 years cite REM as their influence.
Dave Damashek
And that's not.
Jeremy Zaslow
What are you talking about?
Dan Le Batard
Everybody cites Bob Dylan and Bob D. Dylan sucks.
Jeremy Zaslow
I don't.
Mike Ryan
I don't know what that has to
Dan Le Batard
do with anything, because. Because it is. The crux of your argument is that they inspired so many people. They were this influential band. Bob Dylan influenced many, and he sucks.
Dave Damashek
So.
Jeremy Zaslow
And so. Is that what you're putting that REM on? I like.
Dan Le Batard
I like REM more than I like Bob Dylan, because Bob Dylan sucks.
Jeremy Zaslow
Totally. I mean, I'm not gonna fight you on Bob. I'm not a. I'm not wild for Bob Dylan. But what I have said. Wait, I don't think you were here, Mike. We did talk about the Eagles. And. And by the way, it's properly Eagles, not the Eagles.
Dave Damashek
Yes.
Mike Ryan
Really.
Jeremy Zaslow
Also, they are, to me, the classic. They are the personification of a system band. Just as you have a system qb. Alex Smith doesn't work in every NFL environment, but if you get him in the right spot, boy, does he sing. Same thing goes with the Eagle.
Dave Damashek
Eagles see System of a Down.
Jeremy Zaslow
Golden Hour in Southern California. Driving around. That's your soundtrack.
Dan Le Batard
System of A Down had an opportunity, but they went away. Just like Rage had an opportunity. Where's Rage when you need a most?
Dave Damashek
Just like Nirvana had an opportunity, then they went away. What happened there?
Dan Le Batard
Well, come on.
Jeremy Zaslow
You're asking the right question.
Dan Le Batard
We classified the files.
Jeremy Zaslow
What about Imagine Dragons? Oh, my God. What?
Mike Ryan
What?
Dave Damashek
Oh, that's.
Jeremy Zaslow
That was. I wanted that. That was a joke.
Dan Le Batard
Nickelback's Canadian.
Jeremy Zaslow
It's a shame because they'd Be there too.
Dan Le Batard
Here. Like the real mind bender. What do we do with Fleetwood Mac?
Jeremy Zaslow
They're not. They're not eligible.
Dan Le Batard
Why not? Stevie and Lindsey.
Dave Damashek
I mean, that's the two names.
Dan Le Batard
Basically everybody's American except for the dude that the band's named after.
Mike Ryan
Where did they write their first album?
Dave Damashek
Is that how you do it?
Jeremy Zaslow
It's gotta be Cali.
Dave Damashek
I think it counts when you recorded your first album. Yeah, that sounds like such a weird prereq.
Dan Le Batard
Like, I do think you can be an American band with members that aren't exclusively American as long as you're based in the US the band is named
Jeremy Zaslow
after Mick Fleetwood, who is not American. They're not an American band.
Dave Damashek
Then why would they call Fleetwood Mick?
Dan Le Batard
Jeremy would hate that band.
Mike Ryan
Look, for me, obviously I have Pearl Jam. Very, very close to the very top. Metallica also has to be mentioned. We're talking about a band here who is still at the peak of their powers over 40 years after they started.
Dave Damashek
What does the peak of their powers mean?
Mike Ryan
They still tour the world and sell out cd.
Jeremy Zaslow
Who did REM Influence is the craziest question to ask, rhetorically or otherwise. When I can tell you who they are and then Mike Ryan's response is like, nah.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, who are they?
Jeremy Zaslow
I know who are Pearl Jam and Radiohead. Who are they?
Dan Le Batard
Here's who.
Jeremy Zaslow
Remember the biggest fans we've seen. What are you talking about? R.E.M.
Dan Le Batard
influence, Matchbox. They influence Train.
Jeremy Zaslow
Now we're talking.
Dan Le Batard
They influence Gin Blossoms. They influence every soft rock one. Republic loves rea.
Jeremy Zaslow
Pearl Jam yielded Creed. Are we supposed to hold that against them?
Dan Le Batard
Are you saying that as an insult, brother? Because you're off base.
Jeremy Zaslow
All right?
Dan Le Batard
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Jeremy Zaslow
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Dan Le Batard
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Jeremy Zaslow
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Dan Le Batard
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Mike Ryan
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Jeremy Zaslow
Your little one grew three inches overnight.
Mike Ryan
Adorable.
Dan Le Batard
Also expensive.
Jeremy Zaslow
Sell their pint sized pieces on Depop
Dan Le Batard
and list them in minutes with no selling fees because somewhere a dad refuses to pay full price for the Clothes
Dave Damashek
his kids will outgrow tomorrow.
Jeremy Zaslow
And he's ready to buy your son's entire wardrobe right now.
Dave Damashek
Consider your future growth Bird budget secured.
Jeremy Zaslow
Start selling on depop, where taste recognizes taste.
Dan Le Batard
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Dave Damashek
Don LeBatard.
Mike Ryan
I've never stepped foot on that campus. If you told me right now, your life depends on it. Go to Santa Fe University and just. Just take a picture.
Dan Le Batard
Stugats.
Mike Ryan
I would die. I don't know where it is. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stug.
Jeremy Zaslow
I'm talking to the wrong crowd, I think.
Dave Damashek
Yeah, you're talking. You should be talking to a crowd that hasn't heard of Mariah Carey. Apparently. I still haven't gone over that.
Dan Le Batard
One of the worst takes is Ethan's Foo Fighters.
Mike Ryan
Oh, my God.
Dan Le Batard
Dave Grohl's third best band cannot be the biggest American band.
Dave Damashek
Ethan tried to tell me last night that Foo Fighters was way bigger than both Green Day and. And Red Hot Chili Peppers.
Jeremy Zaslow
He's an insane person.
Dave Damashek
I said, what are you talking in terms of what he's like in terms of sales? I said, what's their biggest song? And he's like, uh, my Lord, or whatever. It's like, all right, let's look up the charts. They were like fourth on the Billboard hot rock chart or Modern Rock chart. I said, okay, let me pull up Green Day. I don't even know if there's biggest song Boulevard Broken Dreams. I said, you see these list of ones here? Every single chart imaginable. How do you even arrive at a point where you think Foo Fighters is a bigger act? And I'm not saying, like, you might like them better. It's all good. Preference is preference difference.
Jeremy Zaslow
But that's right. We're not talking. I'm not trying the. The goal here isn't to my favorite show your hipster bona fides. Right? It's about to deep dive.
Dave Damashek
What's the biggest influence?
Dan Le Batard
That's what you're doing, though.
Jeremy Zaslow
REM is not my favorite band.
Dan Le Batard
They're your absolute favorite. Where would the freight be without R.E.M.
Jeremy Zaslow
oh, my God. I mean, come on. It's the greatest album of all time. Is okay. Computer. I love Radiohead. Led Zeppelin is probably number one of all time, but REM's in my top four or five bands.
Dave Damashek
Just imagine Dave Damaschek, sophomore in college in Indiana with his like, big ass walk the disc man. That you can't. It's a Walkman. Yeah, it's with the Orange shock absorber. The orange foam on the. On the earbuds, the headphones. And then he. It's the yellow Walkman, the sport Walkman, remember?
Mike Ryan
Oh, yeah. It get a little bit wet.
Dave Damashek
You put your cassette in, your aria cassette in Shiny Happy People and just kind of walking down.
Jeremy Zaslow
Shame on you. Shame on you. So the worst song by a band that has a catalog that. That runs for days. I have to hold that against. They could not hold. I can find some bad beatles songs.
Dan Le Batard
Bc boys way better than R.E.M. bc boys way better.
Dave Damashek
Listen evolved their sound.
Jeremy Zaslow
I went to see both of them more than once. I've seen all these bands we're talking about live. By the way, how old am I?
Mike Ryan
You saw Led Zeppelin.
Jeremy Zaslow
I saw SM bashing Pumpkins. Open for Nirvana. I saw Rage against the Machine many times. I've seen Tribe many times. Johnny Cash, Tribe Called Quest. The best live band I've ever seen. Fishbone. You ever catch Fishbone in their pride?
Dan Le Batard
Jesus Christ.
Jeremy Zaslow
You've clearly never seen it. I had never heard of you.
Dan Le Batard
Never heard of Fishbone. I don't know what that is.
Jeremy Zaslow
I had to look up REM I'll
Dave Damashek
be honest with you now I'm beginning to realize Dave was probably the senior in my dorm when I was a freshman at Georgia Tech. Cause I know exactly. I'm not you.
Jeremy Zaslow
How much weight did you buy from David Ramblin? Wreck from Georgia Tech?
Dave Damashek
Try to win me over.
Jeremy Zaslow
I thought. I thought I could get you back in the garage. Going back to Green Day. They have the most impactful rock album of this century.
Dave Damashek
Yes.
Jeremy Zaslow
Like, if you have the most impactful rock album of the century in which you exist, you've got to be in the top five. At the very least. Say things out loud doesn't make them true. 100% of any band. Like American Idiot. American Idiot. Based on what? Based on what? Based off of
Dan Le Batard
political influence, all the awards, recognition. It spawned a musical. I mean, I'm not. I'm not the biggest Green Day guy. I like the band. But even I can acknowledge that Jeremy's making really good points.
Jeremy Zaslow
I'm also surprised the Beach Boys haven't come up.
Dan Le Batard
Beach Boys are a great one. And that is a quintessential American sound. Yeah.
Dave Damashek
I want Dave to go down the path that he stopped right there, where he was about to say something about the Monkees as a band.
Mike Ryan
Hey, hey, we're the Monkeys, baby. How come if we're talking all time great American bands, which is a conversation that goes back to yesterday, Ramones by The way you got. You got to mention Aerosmith at some point.
Dan Le Batard
I know you.
Mike Ryan
Yes, you do.
Dan Le Batard
Aerosmith was mentioned at some point. Yesterday I mentioned Aerosmith have had like one of the more fascinating career trajectories ever because they were essentially a one hit wonder. And they went away for about a decade run. DMC brought him back a little bit of a lull. And then when they were all old guys, they just dominated radio and Get A Grip.
Mike Ryan
Then came out early 90s, just single
Dan Le Batard
after single after single.
Dave Damashek
Armageddon soundtrack for me on the.
Mike Ryan
On the bar mitzvah circuit. Early 90s crying from get A Grip. Oh, Crying was played at every bar mitzvit.
Dan Le Batard
I even like Pink. But the song Admit It. Pink. No, a different Pink. The song.
Mike Ryan
Oh, different Aerosmith had a massive comeback.
Dave Damashek
This. This is a very. To America's conversation.
Mike Ryan
It was.
Jeremy Zaslow
But for the record, Aerosmith, all of that New life, Second life that they got. Janie Got a Gun and all that
Mike Ryan
incredible song Danny's Got a Gun.
Jeremy Zaslow
No, I'm sorry, I don't want to. I don't want to veer in the.
Dan Le Batard
You're about to get sound Hampton, sir.
Jeremy Zaslow
All that music sucked. All that. All that coming from REM guy. Are you.
Dan Le Batard
You don't. What. I thought you liked soft radio hits. Do you not. I thought you liked adult contemporary radio hits.
Jeremy Zaslow
I What. What I am now learning is over these last eight minutes, these tortured, these torturous eight minutes is that Mike Ryan has never actually heard much rem.
Dan Le Batard
You've heard Monster. What's the frequency, Kenneth? I like that Orange Crush. Yeah. Shiny Happy People's Weird. Everybody Hurts. I know all about. Remember Batman soundtrack. Go listen to.
Jeremy Zaslow
Go listen to Life's rich. What's Batman have to do with any the of it?
Dan Le Batard
Like, look, Batman's kissed by a rose.
Jeremy Zaslow
What are you confusing AR with Seal?
Dan Le Batard
I mean, you talk about two Americas. This conversation, Aerosmith. You got to realize that one America helped out the other America. Yes, that's right. Yes. Aerosmith owes everything to the other America.
Jeremy Zaslow
Can we narrow this down to four bands? I want to put this on Twitter. But also, Roy, can we come up
Mike Ryan
with four of like, so people can
Jeremy Zaslow
vote on what is the best American band. It's an interesting point, Roy, because that. Because they. Because one hand washed the other in a way, because it really did help hip hop pop in general that, you know, it surfaced one of the more prominent bands. So what? One of the more. All right. Beach Boys, Metallica. Are we putting REM because he says
Dan Le Batard
actually we should add them to the list so Dave can see what he did. Add them to the list. So Dave.
Jeremy Zaslow
So what would that put them? Those are three. As is always true. Recency is going to win in a conversation. You guys don't even know what. Remember how are you making a vote? Is that four? Fine. Just for voting.
Dan Le Batard
Beach Boys, Metallica, Green Day, R.E.M.
Mike Ryan
i mean, it's not fine to me, but it's okay for the great.
Jeremy Zaslow
How are you nodding? I mean, to not include the Grateful Dead is loco.
Dan Le Batard
We're not including Tom Petty. I mean, is this list okay?
Jeremy Zaslow
That's a solo.
Dave Damashek
I mean, it's a very, very white list. But I guess we're going to have
Jeremy Zaslow
to go north when it's fire.
Dan Le Batard
Extremely white. Lesnar.
Jeremy Zaslow
We can do the stations like one America and then do a full time.
Dan Le Batard
We're forgetting about Eagles. We're forgetting about Eagles. All right. Green days off.
Jeremy Zaslow
Eagles, Green day gone. So un American.
Dave Damashek
Talk about recency, bias. Temptations, look them up.
Jeremy Zaslow
Don't tell me about the temptations, man.
Mike Ryan
All right, well, while you figure out how, we want to pose the question on Twitter and while Jeremy continues to skate on warning everybody at the beginning of the week took that ass. Not allow the Miami.
Jeremy Zaslow
Just one more thing on REM. One more thing on REM if the best song that you ever made in Losing My Religion was covered better on Glee than your original version, that means you're probably mistaking saying something out loud to an equaling the truth. He does that a lot, by the way. Nothing to do with reality. That's their best song. According to whom? Somebody who hasn't heard any of their other songs.
Mike Ryan
This guy never tells the truth. How about your favorite little hockey team last night? Taking that pass in sunrise last night, right from the get go just three minutes into the game. Your boy, your favorite Panther. Our favorite Panther. Everybody's favorite Panther. Panther legend Brad Marchand gets the scoring started last night. The Panthers go up three nothing. A couple of empty net goals later, a pair of goals from Marchant after hitting the post on a wide open empty net. Very embarrassing. A 51 victory for your Panthers. That's what I'm talking about.
Dan Le Batard
How about your boy Evan Rodriguez, man? 9 9. Shot seven in the first Boca Grande.
Mike Ryan
What a game he had last night. His first shorty of his career. So the Panthers know they play again tonight though. Sabers. I'm Shorty before, he never had a shorty. Wow, shorties are awesome. I know.
Dave Damashek
Shorty's everywhere, man. Come on, shorty, Get Some shorties, Dave.
Mike Ryan
You know about them Shorties?
Jeremy Zaslow
Heard of it? Lions.
Mike Ryan
I'm trying to go tonight to the Panther.
Jeremy Zaslow
I'll be there.
Mike Ryan
You are? I'm trying to. Now what? I'm trying to. I don't know if you know this. When I'm trying to go to a game, that means I'm looking for the hookup. All right? Like, if I was going to buy tickets or say I'm going to buy tickets, but I'm trying to go to the game tonight. Whenever I'm trying to go to something, it could be a game, it could be a concert. If I'm trying to go, that means I'm looking for the hookup.
Dan Le Batard
I thought Ethan had tickets. Why? You're going to the wrong game tonight. There is one game to go to. The team with the nation's longest win streak is playing the team with the second longest win streak in the nation.
Mike Ryan
Go on.
Dan Le Batard
The team that is scoring more runs than anybody in the nation is hosting its arch rival in baseball. Don't get it twisted. You may be able to argue FSU and other sports, but when it comes to baseball, it is Florida. Undeniably Florida. Miami at the Light. What are you doing? You shouldn't be anywhere else.
Mike Ryan
I admitted this to you guys last week. Somehow it did not make it to air. And I will just, you know, it'll be a very shameful revelation right now. And I told you guys last week, I have never been to the lights.
Dan Le Batard
Gotta get one of those milkshakes, man.
Mike Ryan
I've never been to the lights.
Dan Le Batard
To the what?
Mike Ryan
You never been to the light? Marklite Stadium is where the Hurricanes play
Jeremy Zaslow
Alex Rodriguez Field at Marklight. Great milkshakes, by the way, which is why courts don't match.
Mike Ryan
Marklight Stadium is where the Miami Hurricanes baseball play. It's a very famous stadium as far as, you know, South Florida goes. They very famously have, you know, great milkshakes. Yeah, the milkshakes there are the way to go. And it's essentially a landmark down here. I've never been famously, I'm fascinated. Locally, it's famous.
Jeremy Zaslow
I'm surprised, but I guess that's probably part of the region's laws for a sports fan. But I'm surprised Zas doesn't catch more flack. I root for two college football and college basketball teams, Indiana and Pitt. Grew up in one, matriculated at the other. Fascinated by zaz arch rivals. You go to Florida, but you went to San Fer the youth.
Mike Ryan
I did not go to Santa Fe.
Jeremy Zaslow
I'm surprised you guys don't get on.
Mike Ryan
I was smart. I went to universe of smart guys. Not like dumb.
Jeremy Zaslow
We forgot about the Jonas Brothers.
Date: February 27, 2026
Location: Elser Hotel, Downtown Miami
In this “Local Hour,” Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the crew dissect another turbulent week for the Miami Heat, debate the best American bands, and tackle headlines around the NBA and NHL—all with their signature, irreverent banter. The conversation weaves between heated (and hilarious) Miami sports takes, broader NBA analysis, and a spirited argument about musical influence, before closing with classic Le Batard Show local color and group chemistry.
“Here’s Bam after the game last night… Very frustrated… We didn’t play hard enough.” – Mike Ryan channeling Heat center Bam Adebayo (09:18, 09:44)
“Can I walk back my initial James Harden legacy takes? Because I actually think he’s going to make a huge impact for this team… They added James Harden for nothing.” – Dan Le Batard (11:31)
“He hit him with the most… simultaneously high road and got him right between the eyes.” – Dave Damashek, on Capela’s response (20:06)
“Bob Dylan influenced many, and he sucks.” – Dan Le Batard (26:44)
“Dave Grohl’s third best band cannot be the biggest American band.” – Dan Le Batard (31:40)
Beach Boys
Metallica
Green Day (briefly featured, replaced later by Eagles)
R.E.M.
Omitted: Grateful Dead, Tom Petty (not a band), Temptations—leading to jokes about how “white” the list is (38:14).
Miami Heat’s inconsistency:
Embiid’s clutch shot, no respect:
Heat fan frustration:
On American bands:
Music debate turns wild:
Panther’s moment:
The episode maintains a lively, rapid-fire, and playful tone, blending sports analysis with humor and occasional music nerd debates. Light-hearted jabs, local Miami color, and running in-jokes are ever-present, true to The Dan Le Batard Show’s distinct conversational style.
“Don’t Let The Heat Win Two” showcases the Le Batard crew at their best: dissecting the joys and sorrows of being a Miami sports fan, debating music with hilarious dedication, and providing a pulsing, playful audio snapshot of South Florida’s sports and cultural heartbeat. Whether you care about the Heat, the best American band, or just like to be in on the joke, this episode is quintessential Local Hour.