Local Hour: Entering Creepy Territory

Summary

Summary of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" Episode: Local Hour – Entering Creepy Territory

Release Date: May 28, 2025

In the "Entering Creepy Territory" episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz," hosts Dan Le Batard and Stugotz delve deep into the dynamics of the ongoing Knicks-Pacers playoff series, offering a blend of sports analysis, personal anecdotes, and lighthearted banter. The episode, recorded live from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, provides listeners with insightful commentary on team performances, player evaluations, and broader cultural references.

1. Stugotz's Candid Address to Youth Groups [01:08 – 04:06]

The episode kicks off with Dan recounting an event where Stugotz delivered an unfiltered speech to a group of young teens from the Boys and Girls Club. The conversation highlights Stugotz's authentic and sometimes abrasive style, which resonates with the youth despite—or perhaps because of—his frequent use of profanity.

• Dan Le Batard [02:05]: "I did. Yeah."
• Stugotz [02:30]: "They do love It Kids love that."

This segment underscores the hosts' commitment to realness, even in settings where such authenticity might be unexpected.

2. Analyzing the Knicks-Pacers Playoff Series [05:36 – 17:57]

A significant portion of the episode centers on the Knicks-Pacers series. Dan and Stugotz, along with co-hosts Billy and Chris Cody, dissect the strategic elements influencing the games. The discussion emphasizes Tyrese Halliburton's pivotal role and his matchup against Jalen Brunson.

• Dan Le Batard [06:19]: "How are the casinos sort of built... the math favors the probability of the casinos endlessly printing money."
• Stugotz [09:56]: "I'm proud of this team. I like this team. We're in the Eastern Conference finals."

The hosts debate whether Halliburton's defensive liabilities are being effectively exploited by the Pacers and ponder the mathematical probabilities that dictate the series' outcome. They also touch upon the cultural significance of the teams within their respective regions, highlighting the Pacers' impact on Indiana's sports landscape compared to the Knicks' prominence in New York.

3. The Role of Tyrese Halliburton vs. Jalen Brunson [26:17 – 31:26]

The conversation shifts to evaluating Halliburton's clutch performances against Brunson. Dan posits that Halliburton has shown remarkable efficiency in high-pressure situations, questioning the accuracy of traditional polls that may not fully recognize his impact.

• Dan Le Batard [30:03]: "He's the first player in NBA history to have 30 plus points, 15 plus assists, 10 plus rebounds, 5 plus threes and 0 turnovers in any game, regular."
• Billy [30:58]: "The poll."

The hosts acknowledge the small sample size of Halliburton's game-winning shots but agree on his rising prominence in the league, contrasting him with Brunson's established reputation.

4. Critique of Pablo Torre's Show and "Entering Creepy Territory" [33:00 – 37:55]

A heated discussion unfolds around Pablo Torre's podcast, with the hosts expressing discomfort over Torre's content and questioning the boundaries of professionalism in sports media.

• Billy [36:03]: "We're entering creepy territory."
• Dan Le Batard [36:03]: "We're mocking the aging Descent of Legends disrespectfully."

The segment delves into the appropriateness of Torre's topics, such as his unconventional discussions about personal lives and professional associations, suggesting they cross into unsettling areas that may not resonate well with all audiences.

5. Age and Athleticism in Sports Figures [38:00 – 43:35]

The hosts engage in a humorous yet critical examination of aging athletes and sports personalities, including tennis stars like Andy Murray and Rafael Nadal. This light-hearted debate questions how appearance and performance intersect in the eyes of fans and critics.

• Billy [40:15]: "He's the runner... He looks good. He looks great."
• Stugatz [43:14]: "Move on. Tennis needs to move on."

This playful banter underscores the challenges athletes face as they age, balancing public perception with their enduring talents.

6. Concluding Remarks and Future Predictions [43:35 – 44:41]

As the episode nears its end, Dan announces the introduction of a new internal award, humorously dubbed "the big one," to recognize outstanding contributions within their show. The hosts wrap up with light-hearted comments about upcoming content and ongoing show dynamics.

• Dan Le Batard [43:35]: "I'm going to award the big one."
• Mike Ryan [44:16]: "We can also do. Cut to me, guys. A canoe."

Notable Quotes with Timestamps

• Stugotz on Authenticity [02:05]: "I did. Yeah."
• Dan on Halliburton's Efficiency [30:03]: "He's the first player in NBA history to have 30 plus points, 15 plus assists, 10 plus rebounds, 5 plus threes and 0 turnovers in any game, regular."
• Billy on Entering Creepy Territory [36:03]: "We're entering creepy territory."
• Dan on Awarding "The Big One" [43:35]: "I'm going to award the big one."

Conclusion

This episode of "The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz" offers a comprehensive look into the strategic intricacies of the Knicks-Pacers series, the evolving roles of key players, and the broader cultural implications within sports media. Through candid discussions and engaging dialogues, Dan and Stugotz provide listeners with both thoughtful analysis and entertaining exchanges, making it a must-listen for sports enthusiasts keen on understanding the nuances of contemporary basketball rivalries and media landscapes.

Transcript

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[Dan Le Batard]

Shadow show.

[Stugatz]

Shadow Show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shadow Show.

[Stugatz]

Shadow Show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shadow Show.

[Stugatz]

Shadow Show.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shadow Show. Shadow in it. Shadow in it. Billy, Chris, welcome back.

[Billy]

Thank you. Thanks, Daniel.

[Dan Le Batard]

Hey, nice. Nice to see you guys. I will tell you what you missed, which is at the very end of Tuesday, as folks were leaving Wild Willie, Wednesday began. And this is how Stugats did it. You guys weren't here for this. I wonder. Tony, I think you were here. Stugatz was speaking to a very crowded room.

[Chris Cody]

Oh, I was here for that.

[Dan Le Batard]

From the boys and girls club of. What are we gonna say? Between 15 and 20? Teenagers, young teens.

[Stugatz]

Great kids.

[Chris Cody]

Love those kids and their parents some.

[Dan Le Batard]

Billy and Chris, you will not be surprised by this, but I do think there's the risk that you will be appalled. So what was the age range for the kids who were there? With a smattering of adults.

[Chris Cody]

High schools. So probably like 9 to 12th grade.

[Dan Le Batard]

But also young high school. Correct. In the middle of the room while talking to the kids. Stugarts always authentic. Never authentic. Just hit them in the face with an F bomb.

[Mike Ryan]

Nice.

[Stugatz]

I did. Yeah.

[Billy]

In what context?

[Stugatz]

You know, I just said if anyone told me I'd be doing this 20 years ago, I would have laughed him out of the room.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

Unnecessary there it was.

[Stugatz]

I was unnecessary there. I had no idea they were coming. I have to be honest with you. I had no idea I was. I was going to have to speak to them. And so I just let it fly to guys.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm going to tell you right now, what you did was you bought credibility with them. You're an adult who used an F bomb in like an official setting. Kids love that.

[Stugatz]

They do love It Kids love that.

[Mike Ryan]

Whatever this guy says, I'm following them forever.

[Stugatz]

Yes.

[Billy]

Someone ask you to speak to them or you just volunteered to do?

[Stugatz]

I walked out there, and Mike Ryan seemed like he was out of words, and so I had to step in and say something.

[Chris Cody]

Mike kind of lob something over to say like, it's st. Why don't you say something? Then he said that, and then he kind of walked out and smoked a cigarette.

[Billy]

So that's the secret. When Mike's around, just bring children in. He'll stop talking.

[Dan Le Batard]

Mike out of words is something I did not think I would ever hear.

[Chris Cody]

Well, to be honest, Mike went out like. So we were in the shipping container as me, Zaz, Mike and Roy. And then the kids started piling up. And then Mike beelined it out. The moment he opened the door, he was on display. He was making things happen. He was saying things for, like, 15 minutes straight.

[Billy]

Was this like a reward for these children or a punishment? Like, I mean this respectfully.

[Chris Cody]

Like, it was inspiration.

[Billy]

Delinquents. Like, this is like a scared straight situation. I'm just asking. I'm trying to get lovely kids. I'm right. No, I'm sure they were, but I'm saying, are we trying to set them on the straight and narrow here? Or this is like a reward for, like, straight A's.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're saying, are we giving that? Are we trying to give, like, this.

[Billy]

Could be you if you don't sharpen up is what I'm trying to figure.

[Chris Cody]

Well, no, you weren't here, so they didn't see you.

[Billy]

Or if you do sharpen up, this could be you.

[Dan Le Batard]

You know what I'm asking. I think that Chris and Billy took that to a place that I was not expecting. I will ask you again your thoughts on Stugach, generally doing that to a group full of. Of young men. I thought it was inappropriate, but I didn't. I didn't even hear it. I was told about it afterward. There was just. There was murmuring through the crowd of. Of shocked adolescents that.

[Billy]

Who.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who's this little guy who. Just.

[Stugatz]

Don't be naive, man. I mean, kids are cursing.

[Billy]

Those kids.

[Stugatz]

Five.

[Billy]

Yeah, those kids have heard that word before. He didn't introduce. Did you do that as a coach?

[Dan Le Batard]

My father. I will all the time. I will tell you guys. My father, his oldest friends will remind him that he told a group of us who were seven or eight or nine years old. He reprimanded us for cursing one time, and he said, there is not anything to be gained by cursing. He yelled at us. Not a damn thing.

[Billy]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugatz podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't know if this has ever happened to you guys, because I don't think Stugatz and I live the same life. I think he does a very good job and has had to do a very good job over 20 years of sort of like shaking off that day's show and just going home and living his life so that it doesn't feel. But yesterday, I made a mistake that I took with me all the way home because I saw across the room the just glee from the piranha because all of them left leapt to attention when I described some of my friends as math friends. And so I just left the vulnerable opening to the group. The group saw it and said, oh, he's got math friends, does he? Let's. Let's eviscerate him.

[Stugatz]

Yes. Greg Cody's head was down. He looked up. We locked eyes. I looked at him, he looked at me. And we knew it was time to go in on Dan.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm not gonna lie. I saw the clip. I wasn't in yesterday. I see the clip, and as Dan says it in my mind, I'm like, man, I hope they pounce on him for this. And then 10 seconds later, they did. I was very proud. Proud of the boys.

[Dan Le Batard]

It was 10 seconds late, but I saw it on their face before then. I was trying to, like, do the what cats do with kitty litter. Before that, like, just, oh, no, don't look at this. I don't want. But. But everyone leapt to attention. And so the thing that I wanted. Ask Amin off of last night's game because Stugats has argued that the Knicks are better than the Pacers. And over a seven game series. You guys make fun of me all the time about what I've been saying about hedge funds.

[Stugatz]

Your math friends agree, right?

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, well, I want to ask Amin this question based on sort of how gambling works, okay? And I want to ask all of you this question. So how are the casinos sort of built? What is the math being used? That builds the casinos so that the casinos. So that unless you're Trump, it's very hard to go bankrupt because all the math favors the probability of the casinos endlessly printing money. You guys understand how those are built, right? The games have whatever it is, a 54, 55% built in Advantage, right?

[Stugatz]

Yep.

[Dan Le Batard]

The question I want to ask Amin is if Cat and Brunson on the court at the same time is a Defensive liability. If Brunson is the worst player in the playoffs on defense, and what I end up doing is play the math probabilities of how it is. All of these games have been sharpened so you will attack the maximum inefficiency in a way that skews the probabilities in your favor. The Pacers being able to attack Brunson on defense over a seven game series where Carlisle can figure out how to again and again get offense, that makes Halliburton, I mean, in a playoff game, control the entire game with zero turnovers. Zero turnovers. Because the Knicks defense is not going to bother you. The Pacers are going to play how they want. They're going to score up 130. It's not even going to feel like a playoff game. And they're going to feel like they finished the Knicks right there. Is that one math probability, what's being exploited in this series that changes the series? Or is it just a bounce in game one that's kind of lucky?

[Mike Ryan]

I don't know if that's math. It's basketball right where you are saying, hey, their defense drops precipitously after every additional rotation they have to make. So the first guy guarding the ball, Mikhail Bridges or O.J. anunoby or Deuce McBride, he's really good, right? But then we bring some screen action or whatever it is, and now they've got to make a decision. Either Cat is going to sag and the guy's gonna have to fight over, or Cat's gonna have to come up and double or they're gonna switch either way at that point, that triggers rotation. And so if we keep moving the ball quick. Quick, right. Not holding it, but quick. There's another rotation that has to happen. The Knicks aren't good at that. They're good at that first one, but then the second one and then the third one, it all falls apart.

[Dan Le Batard]

When I'm talking about the Pacers are really good at the front end of. We're going to be great at all of this. We're number one in pace. This is how we beat you, right? And we're going. You've got great perimeter defense, one or two passes in, but now we're going to get maximum efficient shots. I feel like it's just sort of a shredder on attack Brunson. And the analysis I did not have from anyone before this series is Brunson's the liability in this series. He's the liability because a player that size can't win, at least in part because, and certainly now more than ever, he can't guard. The bigger guys aren't scared of him. And so he becomes just an unbelievable weakness. Even if he. Even if he somehow gets to 30, you know, some kind of efficiently.

[Stugatz]

With all that said, they're a lucky shot away from having this series tied at two games apiece, headed back to the Mecca. I mean, it's a weird way to watch sports. Who wants to watch sports and think about probabilities?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, how did you feel last night?

[Stugatz]

I mean, I felt. I felt bad. The knicks lost. It's 3:1, but we're headed back to Madison Square Garden. The Knicks had to win after going down two. Oh, they had to win a road game to get it back to the Mecca. And, you know, going into last night, I said to myself, you have to win game four or you have to win game six. Because the best case scenario for the Knicks at this point is to get a game seven on their home court. Can they still do that? Yes.

[Dan Le Batard]

So I will ask you and the group, because Stugats will not give you the tears until he has to. Now he's just. He's not going to get. And I don't.

[Stugatz]

I'm proud of this team. I like this team. We're in the Eastern Conference finals. We got a shot at making the NBA Finals. It's not a great shot, but we still have a shot. I'll take it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I still believe. Billy, do you think I have this wrong? I still believe that Stu Gotz giving us perspective in his 50s is very adult, but I'm not buying it. I don't believe it. I believe in it. He's in hiding. He's allowed New Yorker, and he does not want anyone to see his pain until he absolutely has to give it to them.

[Billy]

I don't know that he has pain available to give with this team. I'm not sure how invested he actually is in the Knicks. So it's being masked as perspective when it's really. I can't find the pain.

[Stugatz]

I'm not gonna fly a Tom Thibodeau today. I'm not gonna do it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm waiting.

[Stugatz]

The series is over. I mean, people are already firing that guy. Get out of here.

[Amin Elhassan]

We have two Mecca references by him already today. So he's still feeling it.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's still. He's still in it. No, I want to address this, though, because, Billy, just accusation that I made last week that Stugatz denied, which is. I don't believe he actually cares enough here to hurt. I don't like you in order. In order to understand what New York is presently feeling. And I do want to flip the other side of this for a second because, my God, it must feel better right now to be Indiana basketball than almost ever in the history of Indiana basketball. It's not just to God's. Okay, hold on a second.

[Stugatz]

Are you counting the Hoosiers or.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm counting everything in the history. I'm counting. I'm saying that this Pacers team, for this reason, okay, for this particular reason, in 2025, to have triple H or 50 cent or whatever celebrity counter there is to Spike Lee, so you can no longer be aw shuck, small town Indiana against all the big things. New York is to be a series underdog. You guys can laugh at all this.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm laughing because those are all Nick fans that were imported in. That doesn't count. Oh, wow, they had Philippines, Chalamet and Ben still. Yeah, they did. They came to watch the knights.

[Billy]

Why would 50 Cent be a Pacer?

[Mike Ryan]

He's not. He's a Nick.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just saying. The celebrities came to you. The party came to you. Indiana does not often get to feel like it's one of the big cities in sports or anywhere. Whatever you think are the best Pacer teams, they're bringing back royalty. When they bring back Jermaine o' Neal. When they bring back Jermaine o' Neal.

[Stugatz]

That'S some lame royalty.

[Dan Le Batard]

They brought back Lance Stevenson and George Hill. Woof.

[Amin Elhassan]

George Hill.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's what they're count. That's what they're countering the Knicks with. And what I'm saying is the reason it feels good is because, oh, we took out all these big bad people. We're tiny little Indiana and we get to win. And now Stugatz is going to do the thing he'll pivot as soon as they lose to. Nobody wants to watch Indiana okc.

[Stugatz]

I mean, no one does. Who wants to watch that? It's boring.

[Billy]

Mike EPPS hates Pat McAfee, right?

[Mike Ryan]

He has stole his perch.

[Billy]

Like Mike Epps figured it out. He's like, I'm just going to be the Pacers guy and I'll have courtside tickets forever and ever as the Pacers guy. And if they ever get to this point, I was there the entire time. I'll still be there. So he's been rooting for the Pacers and he's committed to this life in Indiana just to get the perks of being a Pacers fan. Because Mike Epps and you know, the 2020s is not Mike Epps of the aughts, you know what I mean?

[Dan Le Batard]

So you stumbled on to another Wild Billy Wednesday. Hold on to your hats, partners.

[Stugatz]

It's about to get wild.

[Amin Elhassan]

He's a patty come lately, just asking.

[Billy]

And just Mike Epps has been there, right? And now all of a sudden Pat comes by.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does Mike Epps put it on the poll juju at Lebaton show. Does Mike Epps hate Pat McAfee because Pat McAfee has taken over. Pat McAfee is wearing a shirt. Overrate, overrate. That in honor of Halliburton is becoming a star. You guys say. You guys laughed at me. Best Pacers team ever. I know that can be an overreaction. I'm just saying the way this team feels to that community right now feels as good as basketball can feel to that community.

[Mike Ryan]

Dan, I interviewed the radio play by play voice or the Pacers, and I asked him the exact question, how does this compare? And he says it depends on what happens from here. Obviously those.

[Billy]

Look at me.

[Dan Le Batard]

What a flex.

[Billy]

That was a big one.

[Mike Ryan]

You know what I hear? I heard look at me. Bona fides. Because what you're saying is not echoed by the people from Indiana. Those Reggie Miller teams were still. That's the gold standard. Because those were the first ones. The Indiana Pacers had made the playoffs, I want to say, twice in their NBA history until Reggie Miller and Dale Davis and those guys. And then they started winning and going to conference finals. And that big shot they hit against Jordan in 98 to force the game seven and obviously going to the finals in 2000, that's the gold standard for Indiana basketball. That's the thing that put them on the map as far as, hey, we matter to. This right here is echoing that. It's bringing it back. And of course they're happy. This feels great. And you're right, they knocked off Giants and all that, but no, it's not the happiest they've ever been.

[Stugatz]

So those Reggie Miller teams were the first teams to not win a championship. That's the team that holds Indiana's heart right now. Like, move on, Pacer fans. Move on. Halliburton's better than Reggie Miller. He's better, is he not? Halliburton's the best Pacer in the history of Indiana basketball. How about that?

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, Larry Bird coached them. Does that not. That doesn't count.

[Chris Cody]

Doesn't count.

[Dan Le Batard]

Different category.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

Regardless, I just like to. I think there's a conversation to be had here about me Speaking on behalf of Indiana, when Indiana would not want me speaking on behalf of Indiana. But that part of America treasures basketball in a way that's a bit disproportionate to the way the rest of the country treasures basketball. That part of the country has had very little winning in basketball. And when Amin mentioned the team that he does, Reggie Miller is a hero in that hero in that market because he led a villainous Indiana squad to pretty close to the top of the sport. And. Ooh, sorry. Michael Jordan's really good.

[Stugatz]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And so a whole generation of parents and grandparents see the best Pacer team. It's a little bit hated. It's rugged and rough. It's got personality. That's your grandpa's team. That's your dad's team. And Amin speaks for them as the, what we called you, the elder. He's not. He's not wrong. But this team has not yet lost. This team has been best in the league good the last, you know, 60 games. And this team has done something else. Dugats, that I think is worth celebrating. If you put down your biases of no, I just wanted the Knicks in the finals. That's the interesting final big market.

[Billy]

But can an argument be made? And you guys will say no, but can an argument be made that it you like, you look fondly more over being a really, like a roadblock, a thorn in the side of Michael Jordan. And that's more of like a feather in your cap than beating Jalen Brunson.

[Dan Le Batard]

Fair enough. But this is the time that we're living in. And nostalgia, I guess, is going to win all the arguments on this is why stugats can say Michael Jordan's the best ever. Because there were six Reggie Millers of that era, and Reggie was about the sixth best of them. And that's as high as Indiana climbed when the legacy was being written, when the history was being written. But this dude and his dad are not afraid of what this moment is. And when I say they're dragging into this America, divided as it is, however oppressed the white person feels in Indiana about things. To knock off New York when New York is throwing trash at your fans and to have McAfee rise up as a voice on behalf of your region because nobody wants your region in the finals, that's some bleep you that they get to fight with with America on that feels really the top of sports. It's the best stuff. Oh, you don't like our guy and he beats the respect out of you with zero turnovers. In a game, you need your celebrities come in and Halliburton controls the entire game. Because we've maxed maximize the inefficiency. You cannot guard us. You will not be able to guard us for the next three games. Our pace will beat you. We have the casino's advantage the rest of the way.

[Mike Ryan]

Can I. Can we hit Dan with the strawman argument, please?

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, hold on a second. Let me find it for a second. Because you think what? You think there's a straw man here?

[Billy]

I think anyone but Tyrese Halliburton think it's Tyrese Haliburton against America right now.

[Dan Le Batard]

You don't think Indiana will conjure that storyline for itself.

[Stugatz]

Just basketball, man.

[Mike Ryan]

It's like the thing about what you're saying is, first of all, when you say, oh, do you think Tyrese Halliburton is overrated? That was based on a player poll, not a nation poll. I don't think the nation thinks Cyrus Halberton is overrated. That was a player poll. And as the great Rachel Nichols did the math, it came out to about seven players. Seven players. Because the sample size wasn't all 450. It was like 50 or something like that. And so when they did the math, it was like seven guys voted. Tyrese Haliburton is the most overrated. So to say, oh, it's the most straw man of straw man arguments. Nobody hates Tyrese Haliburton. Maybe Knick fans do because they're on the losing end. But that's not a sentiment that's shared by the basketball public. The only thing that's real is what Sugats is saying is that there is a genuine fear that we're going to have a Pacers thunder NBA finals. And that sounds boring. It's not going to be boring if you actually watch the games. But it sounds boring because Indiana is a boring place. And Oklahoma, God knows it's a boring place.

[Dan Le Batard]

Straw man.

[Mike Ryan]

Miss that sound.

[Chris Cody]

I was very adamant yesterday about T.J. mcConnell, about the Pacers, about how they play college style. They pick you up 94ft, they slap the floor on defense. But after much thought, I'm actually back.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm back.

[Chris Cody]

If Indiana and OKC make it to the finals, you've got a great offense versus a great defense. I think I'm back.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want to understand if you guys think what Amin is saying is true. Because I would say I'm not conjuring narrative or storyline when I say Halliburton, even if it's by virtue of just his dad. That's the most villainous thing you've got remaining. Like, if Indiana wants to wrap itself in the cape of. Nobody wants us, nobody wants to see us, nobody likes our team. And we've got a guy that in the final seconds will do the choke sign because he's not afraid of any of it. Like, they will. Like, maybe that gets swept by okc, maybe it loses in five games. But right now, I believe in it as much as I believe in any Indiana team that I've ever watched play basketball. If I live in Indiana and care about the pace.

[Stugatz]

And you've watched them all. I mean, you're a Pacer fan.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll tell you right now, the biggest villains in the playoffs right now are the Oklahoma City Thunder. Everyone hates that team. And it staggers me. They hate them because Shai Gil just Alexander gets to the free throw line. They hate them because they foul up three. They hate them because. You know why they hate them? Stugats. They hate them because all the year long, well, they're not going to win because of this, that and the other. And now they're steamrolling and it's like, holy crap, they're actually going to win this. None of those concerns you had mattered. It doesn't matter. They're just that good.

[Stugatz]

I was thinking about Halliburton and sga. They are superstars. But here's the problem. They're superstars who don't dunk. That's why this series is going to be. They don't dunk. They have no dunk game. They have no drive game. They don't, you know, they don't give you the splashy plays. Halliburton has a push shot. It looks like every time he's taken a jumper, it's the first time he's taking a jumper.

[Chris Cody]

I mean, Stu, tell me you. You don't watch without telling me you don't watch. Halliburton shook Giannis. Okay. And then finished it with a slap.

[Dan Le Batard]

Guys, guys.

[Stugatz]

Do it more often.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugarts, just, just. If I may, on what you just saw last night, you guys don't want the math. How about the simplicity of this? Controlling the game on a finger with a number two that could go for a quiet 30 because Siakam has been, historically, we could say he's a very good number two and uniquely equipped to do some of the things in the modern game two way that Brunson cannot. Siakam. I don't know if you'd say he's underrated. Maybe he gets exposed in the next series, but he can go for 30 at any time. And you wouldn't have been laughed out of the room if before this series you'd asked out loud, hey, who's the better players? Siakam and Halliburton. It wouldn't have been much of an argument, but some people who've been watching Indiana basketball would say, look, Siakam's a really good number two and Siakam does the secondary thing last night, but the game was controlled on the finger of somebody. The triple double with no turnovers is asinine. Like you're not playing any defense or the mastery of offense is such that if you're a traditional point guard and you can do that against playoff Knicks basketball, that is something that is very close to a perfect game, even if you only make half of your shots.

[Stugatz]

He's the first player in NBA history to have 30 plus points, 15 plus assists, 10 plus rebounds, 5 plus threes and 0 turnovers in any game, regular.

[Dan Le Batard]

Season or postseason is mathematically described as pretty close to unstoppable. When a playoff team goes 130 and the way they beat you is because this part is boring. Yes, OKC wins because they cause more turnovers than anyone, they turn the ball over less than anyone and they got top five offense, top five defense. That's the obvious way they win. But this, this is a different thing. And among all the things that exist as a spaceship, this with pace might be able to say now I don't think it can because I think Halliburton will look far different against the OKC defense because the OKC defense will strangle Anthony Edwards and your dunkers and Jokic and everybody. It's not going to be fun the end of the NBA. I think if OKC doesn't have an injury, he's just going to be a boa constrictor. Just squeezing the fun out of the sport for the last four games.

[Stugatz]

Now you're coming around.

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[Stugatz]

Don LeBatard I'm just here to say one thing.

[Mike Ryan]

The Knicks are back.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

Tyree celebrating six points.

[Stugatz]

Fraud.

[Mike Ryan]

Everybody was like, yo, he's better than Jalen Brunson.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's better than Janick. Should attracted him.

[Stugatz]

Fraud.

[Billy]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. Can I give you a minor gripe as a Hooper and on behalf of Hoopers, and you guys can agree or disagree with me on this situation. So, Tyrese Halliburton, I think part of the problem here is he needs his own thing, right? Like, doing the choke like Reggie does on a shot that didn't end up winning the game felt forced. It did. It did feel forced.

[Stugatz]

Thank you. Oh, I like that.

[Billy]

I don't know if there's words here. So doing the choke thing, I feel like was slightly, you know, slightly forced yesterday. He hits a three over Brunson, and then he does Brunson celebration right earlier. He does kind of like the big, like, the marbles situation. Like, the big, like, balls. Like, I feel like he needs his own.

[Mike Ryan]

He did a dame time also.

[Billy]

Yeah. Like, here's the thing. Imagine if you're like an up and coming superhero, right? Or like, even you're. I don't know, an established superhero that we don't know much about. Like, I mean, it's. Correct me if I'm wrong because you're qualified for this as both a Hooper and a nerd. So, like the Green Lantern, like, when he does something, imagine him putting up the bat signal. Like, that's not exactly how this goes. Like, you need your own thing. Would Kobe Bryant do this? Not to bring up Kobe, but would Kobe would.

[Mike Ryan]

No, you mean Kobe? I think I saw Michael do this.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, you can bring up Kobe. It's fine.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm just saying that Kobe wolves don't.

[Billy]

Concern themselves with the thoughts of sheep. And here's the problem. He's too. He's too worried about kind of having these moments and doing other people's celebrations in their face. You got to have your own thing.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes. Also, though, as Dan likes to remind us, nostalgia plays. Nostalgia plays. And he's like the ultimate, like, you know, you, like, you see the kids wearing cross colors and get with the flat top. Like, wait a second.

[Billy]

Cross colors?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. You don't see these kids walking around. They're like. They're like 19, but they're dressed like it's 1991. And you're like, what the hell? But it's like, hey, they discovered this old thing, and they want to bring it back. And I kind of feel like Tyrese Halliburton is kind of like that. He's this guy that's watching old 90s basketball and says, you know what? Everyone loves the 90s, right? Everyone talks about basketball today. Not as good as it was in the 90s. So what do you do? You just pretend and cosplay like it's the 90s. So you do the big balls dance, you do the choke sign. And now everyone has this 90s nostalgia attached to it. And to the point where you got Dan Lepatar saying, this is the greatest Indiana Pacers team ever.

[Stugatz]

Why?

[Mike Ryan]

Because the nostalgia's cloaked around it.

[Chris Cody]

Maybe his thing is doing your thing when he beats you. That could be his thing. That's his thing, his game time. He's got the big balls dance. He's got the Galen bugs.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't. I don't see what a mean seeing I am embracing the merging of. This is exactly how villains and superstars are born. And you guys can call him a mimic or a copycat if you wish, but I thought Tatum got some of this when he was celebrating, because he was celebrating like Kevin Garnett celebrated when he won in Boston. And it was like watching someone try to learn how they're supposed to behave as they enter stardom. And in some ways, I don't. I don't want to infantilize young 20s people, but as they find their voice as adults in whatever it is they're going to be as a professional, they have to figure out how to express joy in front of others. And in the case of Halliburton, he's doing some copycatting in the most arrogant and wonderful and confident ways.

[Billy]

Like, okay, how about hit a game winner and then do the choke thing? Don't do it. And also, he extended the game. Lucky shot. Like, look, that. That was. Lucky shot. Maybe his thing is being corny because he's from Indiana, but, like, get your own thing.

[Mike Ryan]

He's from Milwaukee. Actually.

[Amin Elhassan]

Nothing but net.

[Stugatz]

Blaze your own path. That's what Billy is saying.

[Billy]

There you go.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it's fair enough. It's. It's hard to argue when he says bad, but I would just say, I mean, in the last four games, I think I can say something I didn't think I was going to be saying because he says, make a shot.

[Mike Ryan]

I was wrong.

[Dan Le Batard]

Halliburton is, whatever he is. 10 for 12 this season or 12 for 14 on shots to tie or lead with less than two minutes in the game. So he's clutchier than Brunson, who empirically before this was the clutchiest. I don't have that wrong. Right. So when he says make a game winning shot I can counter with, he makes more efficiently than anyone in the sport.

[Billy]

The poll.

[Amin Elhassan]

Who's clutchier, Brunson or Halberden?

[Dan Le Batard]

Correct. Do I have it wrong?

[Mike Ryan]

Look, he's made these shots and it's pretty remarkable. I think Brunson has not been good this series. We could say that. But you know, Brunson would point to 80 some games of him doing it and that's what gave him the award. But yeah, no, it's.

[Billy]

But it's like was like 10 of 12. Like 12 is not a big sample.

[Chris Cody]

Size at all of game winning or game leading shots.

[Billy]

That 12 shots.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm blown away by that stat.

[Dan Le Batard]

That was interesting to see that particular thing sweep across the room where Billy was just that. And I'm looking at Chris and I'm like, well, he's not reacting 90%, but that's how Wild Willie Wednesdays work. And you gotta just understand that Billy.

[Amin Elhassan]

It'S 10 out of 12 clutches in the clutchiest moments of the game.

[Stugatz]

Right. I mean, Billy's saying, put yourself in that position more often.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, yeah.

[Chris Cody]

They're blowing teams out, which is why they weren't in that situation because they were like 40 and 14 the last 50 games.

[Billy]

Game seven of the finals, that. That's clutch. Regular season, I mean, no one's even playing.

[Stugatz]

No one cares.

[Dan Le Batard]

So he's correct. He says Game 7 of the Finals is clutch. I will just remind you that Stugat said that if Draymond Green didn't have Steph Curry, he would be a Shanghai Shark. And Draymond green once had 32 in a game seven of the finals. So it doesn't really buy you what you're saying. It buys you there because do it in a game seven and also win the game. You have to do that as well.

[Stugatz]

Right? One clutch moment for Draymond. I mean, he was there because of Steph. He wouldn't have that clutch moment if not for Steph Curry.

[Amin Elhassan]

Blind squirrel finds a nut.

[Dan Le Batard]

And so well said. Okay, we are, I would say, wildly disrespectful. But the wild disrespect around here of someone who is great at what he does, like Draymond Green, I think pales compared to Billy's wild disrespect of the award winning Pablo Torre finds out what. And yes, Billy right now he award nominated.

[Billy]

To be fair.

[Mike Ryan]

Thank you. Well, he's won Awards, Clarification.

[Billy]

You submit yourself for 3,000 a year, you're bound to win.

[Stugatz]

Or two win the big one.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is. What is the big one?

[Stugatz]

Whatever the big one is.

[Dan Le Batard]

What is the big one should be.

[Stugatz]

Called the big one.

[Dan Le Batard]

I know. Thank you. But I'm asking you to tell me, what is the big award? Peabody. I think he'd argue on behalf of the Peabody that that would be the big one, I think if he's nominated.

[Billy]

But once they start seeing the smut that he's trafficking in right now with Bill Belichick, I guarantee you there's no way to lose yourself a Peabody more than to be suing North Carolina over trying to find Bill Belichick emails.

[Mike Ryan]

Billy, are you saying that they're not gonna give the Pulitzer to the National Enquirer?

[Billy]

You said that, not me.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, no, what you did say, though, is you officially said Pablo Torre has gone well past creepy.

[Billy]

No, I said we're entering creepy. No, publicly, I was prepared to say we're entering creepy. Tory.

[Dan Le Batard]

Creepy.

[Billy]

No, publicly, no.

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[Billy]

Privately, though, for the record, publicly. Publicly, I was prepared to say we're entering creepy territory.

[Chris Cody]

Privately.

[Billy]

Privately, that's not what I said at all. I said we're well past it. I mean, it's weird. It seems like we're trying to search for a sex tape at this point or something. He gets going and he's renting out Airbnbs and he's cosplaying his Belichick laying in his bed. Like, what is the end game here, Spence?

[Dan Le Batard]

I. I will just tell you that I was. It was. I don't know if I don't want a spoiler alert on a Wednesday, but the last of us, if you are not caught up.

[Chris Cody]

I'm not.

[Mike Ryan]

Okay, Just spoiler alert, Wednesday. Sorry.

[Chris Cody]

I got a baby. So it's extended to next week.

[Dan Le Batard]

There is a scene.

[Amin Elhassan]

I don't know how that works.

[Dan Le Batard]

There is a scene where a very important character dies in a way that's a bit surprising. And physically, what happened, Tony? I have.

[Chris Cody]

There's only, like, three important characters in.

[Dan Le Batard]

The situation, so a third of me. Guessing it's a spoiler alert.

[Chris Cody]

Now I'm gonna be looking at all the main characters. Like, you're gonna make the acts.

[Dan Le Batard]

I mean, so all it is, imagine someone standing in front of you and you shoot them in the.

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Oh, man.

[Amin Elhassan]

Only so many people would shoot someone.

[Mike Ryan]

Now Tony's like, oh, there's a gun in the scene.

[Chris Cody]

I've got a lot of guns in all the scenes.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, look, look, forgive me. I still don't know how spoiler Alert Wednesday works. I just would like for any of you to imagine what it would look like if somebody was shot at in the shins by something very powerful and then just fell on their face dead. That is how I came in today, when I had plans for today. And Billy undercut me at the shins with saying Belichick is well past or that Pablo is well past creepy, and then I've got to rein him in.

[Billy]

I didn't say that publicly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Everybody involved that everyone involved is, this is well past creepy.

[Stugatz]

Pablo.

[Dan Le Batard]

Worst of all, I feel like it's what you were giving me.

[Billy]

It sounds like you're projecting now. It sounds like maybe you agree with me. So now we're kind of like just assigning those thoughts to me.

[Dan Le Batard]

I think what I love about what the award winning Pablo Torre is that it's got unbelievable range. It has really unlike any other podcast in the space. It's got wild, wild range.

[Mike Ryan]

Have you ever heard Pablo's like, mission statement for the show? It's to do smart things dumbly and to do dumb things smart.

[Stugatz]

That's.

[Mike Ryan]

That's. That's basically what it was.

[Billy]

I'm with you.

[Chris Cody]

Is that what this. Is that what this show is?

[Dan Le Batard]

That's exactly what this show is.

[Mike Ryan]

I think we do dumb things pretty dumbly.

[Chris Cody]

We do them smartly sometimes.

[Dan Le Batard]

Look, I don't want to do this. He's the award nominated, Peabody nominated Pablo Torrey, and he's also creepy. But what I was saying to you is that Billy. That was Billy's second, like worst take or worse, the second cruelest take or.

[Billy]

The second private conversation.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay, but the private conversation.

[Billy]

You're in charge of this company. I have to, you know, we have these conversations to me, say, hey, Pablo, maybe we stop, you know, trying to dabble in the sex life of a 71 year old and a 24 year old a little bit here, you know?

[Stugatz]

Right.

[Billy]

So making us look bro here, I don't know, Peabody here. Maybe let's stop, you know, with the whole Belichick thing.

[Stugatz]

When he talks like that, it's private.

[Billy]

Yeah, that's private. I thought you knew. I thought you have to come up with a new private.

[Amin Elhassan]

I thought you were doing Belichick there.

[Mike Ryan]

No, he's a private guy, so that makes sense that he posts the p.

[Dan Le Batard]

The Peabody is high flow Luton. I think that is the big one. The. I don't know. What, what would. What do you guys imagine is the big Award that everybody would want to win in.

[Billy]

I like the sports podcast awards. Yeah, those are big ones.

[Mike Ryan]

Actually. I like what Billy said earlier is that we should start an award, call it the big one, and then that'll be the yes.

[Billy]

How can you argue that that's the big one? If that's what it's.

[Dan Le Batard]

This is what I'm going to argue. This is what I'm going to argue. Okay, I'm telling all of you guys that within an hour I'm going to award the big one.

[Stugatz]

Oh, really?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Chris Cody]

Wow, you have that power.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm going to. Yes. I'm going to. Personally, I want to. I want to. Congrats to Pablo in the Ed Sampson. I'm not even. I'm not even sure that they're going to win Hockey Show.

[Mike Ryan]

This is his first nomination. This is the Hockey Show's first nomination.

[Dan Le Batard]

I will tell you that I would be willing to give the big one right now. If none of you are watching this, you're missing what Yeti and Chris, I said this year yesterday are doing for an old man to produce him in a way that creates a funny chemistry with not very much in the way of post production costs on the editing. So the show looks exactly as you would imagine it if a 70 year old grandpa was doing it from a closet with Chris Cody, who I'm guessing is wearing sunglasses because he's baked. I'm not sure, but I'm pretty sure.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm just going for a thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Amin Elhassan]

Like on that show, I wear sunglasses. That's like a new character I'm wearing.

[Dan Le Batard]

Stubborn. And so in the most the character.

[Billy]

Is just you wear sunglasses.

[Stugatz]

Cannabis, Chris.

[Amin Elhassan]

I did a couple weeks with no hat and sunglasses. No hat, sunglasses on my dad's show. Hat, no sunglasses here. Two different people.

[Dan Le Batard]

Okay. You without a hat is one thing. This takes me back to the Billy take I was telling you about that I think is worse than the take that Pablo is creepy.

[Billy]

Is this private or public?

[Stugatz]

Because which voice did you use?

[Dan Le Batard]

He's basically being disrespectful to 20 years of tennis by yelling that Nadal needs to wear a hat. Otherwise he's like, that Nadal needs to wear a hat to cover up that he's aged in a way that Billy's not comfortable.

[Stugatz]

I don't think it's a hat. I think it's a headband. I mean, correct me if I'm wrong, Billy, but I think it's a headband. He did tell us this in private, Dan.

[Billy]

Well, anyway, and that's not how the conversation started. It ended up there. But what I was saying was the four of them seem to get together, like, every other week. But we're making these reunions, like, this big thing. Oh, guess who's here Often. It's like your friends that probably flew on the same plane as you because you guys are constantly together doing things. And I was like, like, enough's enough. Why are the four of them continuing to reune?

[Mike Ryan]

I thought. I thought he retired, like, two years ago. I'm.

[Billy]

I don't know who's active. I don't know who's not. I'm assuming Andy Murray's not. But Andy Murray is not slow behind on who's not aging the best in that situation based on aging alone. Wait, rank them for me based on aging alone.

[Dan Le Batard]

Come on. Let's not do it.

[Mike Ryan]

No, let's do it.

[Billy]

You started this.

[Stugatz]

We're here.

[Billy]

You started this, friend.

[Dan Le Batard]

I started.

[Billy]

Yeah, you started it.

[Dan Le Batard]

I started it.

[Stugatz]

Private conversation.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, I started it.

[Billy]

All right, Number. Do it. We want to go in reverse order, or are we ending on number one?

[Mike Ryan]

We're ending on number one.

[Stugatz]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

Build that anticipation.

[Billy]

Who's aging the worst of this foursome is what you're asking me? I would. I hate doing this.

[Mike Ryan]

Any oil?

[Billy]

I hate. No, there's only four.

[Amin Elhassan]

So if you come in fourth, you're aging the best, right?

[Mike Ryan]

Yes.

[Billy]

No, you're aging the worst.

[Amin Elhassan]

Oh, See, I would think one would.

[Mike Ryan]

Be aging the one is. The guy who.

[Billy]

One is the ugliest, as you're asking me, is one.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, I mean, you said it.

[Amin Elhassan]

Whoever's aging the best is four.

[Dan Le Batard]

Why are we doing.

[Billy]

All right, number four?

[Dan Le Batard]

What are we doing?

[Billy]

You asked Raphael and the dog.

[Stugatz]

Wow. Rafa.

[Billy]

The best based on looks. Yeah, he looks good. He looks great.

[Mike Ryan]

It's just a hair.

[Billy]

If I were to see the four of them, I would say that man is the best of this bunch, especially.

[Mike Ryan]

If you don't have bird's eye view.

[Billy]

That's the. Because Andy Murray's starting to kind of, you know, And I don't want to infringe on Mike's territory here, but his hair is going.

[Dan Le Batard]

We're gonna do. We're gonna do a sports gossip show that objectifies another show. The decaying appearances.

[Chris Cody]

Is that objectification? If it's the opposite of good?

[Dan Le Batard]

We are not in any position.

[Billy]

I'm not objectifying them. I'm not saying I want to F them. I'm just saying, you know, this is, you know, who is not aging.

[Mike Ryan]

He's being Objective, not objectifying.

[Billy]

Thank you. He gets it. Can you be objective without objectifying?

[Stugatz]

Yes.

[Mike Ryan]

That's what you're doing right now.

[Billy]

Huh?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think that this show is qualified.

[Billy]

Number four, the Joker.

[Stugatz]

Oh, yeah. Wow.

[Amin Elhassan]

Number four was Nadal.

[Billy]

Oh, sorry. Number three, the Joker. I thought there was five of them.

[Dan Le Batard]

I forgot.

[Mike Ryan]

He doesn't look like he's like. What part of him looks like he's.

[Billy]

That's what I'm saying. That's why he looks good.

[Amin Elhassan]

Didn't this whole thing start with you saying the doll aging the worst? I don't think you're playing well.

[Billy]

No. Then you told me the number four had to be the one that was the best. Looking at this point in time. Yeah.

[Amin Elhassan]

I thought this whole thing started with Nadal's aging poorly.

[Billy]

Yeah, correct.

[Amin Elhassan]

But you just put him fourth, which means she's.

[Billy]

No, I put the Joker.

[Amin Elhassan]

Wow.

[Billy]

This is.

[Amin Elhassan]

I'm going to leave.

[Billy]

Federers 4. The Joker is 3.

[Dan Le Batard]

If you're going to leave like that, leave. If you're going to leave like that. You don't get to leave and then stay around. Out. You need to know that's not how you do that. He did the thing.

[Mike Ryan]

Dan.

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[Chris Cody]

Looking at his clock.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's over.

[Billy]

Taylor down there or what?

[Dan Le Batard]

It's his only move. It's. It's pathetic. Oh, no.

[Chris Cody]

He's got the walking down the stairs.

[Dan Le Batard]

One, too, which is great.

[Billy]

He's coming back to sunglasses.

[Mike Ryan]

Take the stairs, Chris.

[Dan Le Batard]

Again.

[Mike Ryan]

Elevators out of.

[Stugatz]

I love it.

[Dan Le Batard]

That show is very well produced. I can't believe I'm saying it.

[Amin Elhassan]

No, we can also do.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do.

[Amin Elhassan]

We can also do. Cut to me, guys. A canoe.

[Stugatz]

Oh, I like that it doesn't sink. Like I could still see you.

[Dan Le Batard]

All right.

[Billy]

Whose ukulele is that? Because it's Jeremy's. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Leave. Take the ukulele with you.

[Stugatz]

Number two.

[Dan Le Batard]

Billy, please.

[Billy]

Andy Murray.

[Stugatz]

Number two.

[Dan Le Batard]

Please stop doing this, please.

[Billy]

I won't tell you one. We won't finish the list.

[Stugatz]

It's fine.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, now I need number one. Well, I told you three of them.

[Stugatz]

Four.

[Billy]

You know, number one wanted.

[Stugatz]

You got fed at four, joker at three. Married to.

[Dan Le Batard]

The problem I have with everything that we're doing right now is I really have a problem with this. These. These four men have been a symbol for youth. I actually. I told you the story more just better. This is the problem. You guys are mocking the aging Descent of Legends disrespectfully.

[Billy]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

And you're doing so based on their appearance because they're aging better than any of us.

[Billy]

They're still good athletically. All I have is to judge their appearance.

[Stugatz]

We're mocking tennis like tennis. Just like Pacer fans. Needs to move on. Tennis needs to move on. Needs to move away from these four and on to the next four.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm awarding the big one. Gather round, people. I'm going to award the big one.

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