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Lucy
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Chris Cody
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Dan LeBatard
As we wait for Billy and Stugac to trickle in in a frenetic rush from God Bless football. Chris Cody, where would you start the show today after 4 days off? My wife is not pleased with the last four days she's been singing and it didn't start until yesterday. Four days of football. That's the holidays. She's just been singing it around the house because of so much football. Where do you start? Because it seems like that Chicago Bears coaching decision was about seven months ago. Like everything that happened at the end of the Bears Lions game.
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Mike Ryan
I would say it's either flag fighting or pain. South Florida pain. I would say those are the two places to either start in.
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Dan LeBatard
Mike Ryan, where would you start today?
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Chris Cody
Probably the association.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah, you don't want to do pain too much today. I'm curious whether Mike is mad at me. I'll get to that in a second. Lucy, where would you start the show today?
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Lucy
Prayers for Rose after being pepper sprayed at Michigan, Ohio State. Everyone please bow your head and pray for Rose.
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Dan LeBatard
Not surprising that we would go self involved there. A lot of people got pepper sprayed, but only one of them was ours. So we got to talk about the one that was ours that was pepper sprayed. Lucy, how did you manage and this is good work by you. You're learning quickly. How did you manage to get the producer pepper spray sprayed instead of yourself?
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Lucy
I'm not filming. Rose is filming. She was doing her job.
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Dan LeBatard
She's a film. You were on the field too?
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Lucy
Yeah, I was like 10 yards back. I was not. Rose is a very, very talented videographer.
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Mike Ryan
Oh, she was getting like B roll.
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Lucy
So Rose was In trying to get the shot. So she was getting the shot. Harry and I were probably like 10 yards back just because we were like, there's no need for us to be in there. Obviously we did not know that a fight was going to break out and there would be pepper spray use. We would never have let Rose in that situation. But it was a little bit funny. Just a little bit.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah, it was a little bit funny. Once we learned everybody was okay but Rose. Are you in agreement with me? You have worked with her more than I have. So would you agree with me, though, that Rose has a bit of a war photographer's temperament where she will adventurously go boldly into places the rest of us might not?
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Lucy
No, absolutely. We had an incident last year at Oklahoma State where that's a very tight sideline and Rose was in front of the student section and they bang paddles on the side of the stadium there, like the little thing. And Rose there was. I genuinely had to pull her and be like, you need to watch it. You are going to get concussed. You're going to get hit in the head with a paddle. And it's like that constantly. She is a. She will do anything to get the shot for off roading. So we're very proud of her for getting pepper sprayed. She is a survivor.
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Dan LeBatard
All right. We are proud of Rose for being pepper sprayed. Our first pepper sprayed situation, but not our first pepper situation. We have had a couple those at Meadowlark Media. You, Lucy, are as interested as Chris is in the flag planting because I understand we don't want that stuff to escalate. But I really thought both coaches were super precious about it afterward. Like, I mean, I understand that.
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Lucy
What game are you talking about? It happened a lot.
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Dan LeBatard
I'm. Well, all of them. But this game, the Michigan, Ohio State game, is the one that I'm talking about where both coaches are reprimanding the behavior fervently when the behavior has been pretty common for a while and is sort of the natural escalation of people celebrating in the end zone. These aren't actual wars going on here. The thing that happened beforehand has more similarities to war than planting a flag in the front of the field. But I understand that Celtics fans are still mad at Kyrie Irving. Think about the sentence I'm saying here. Still mad at Kyrie Irving for stepping on the leprechaun.
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Lucy
I don't know. Rose got pepper sprayed. So we were a little bit busy after the game. We did not get to go to the Ryan Day press Conference. The clip I saw didn't seem like he was really reprimanding much. It was just like my guys were not going to let that flag. But.
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Dan LeBatard
No, but that's what I'm saying. But that's meathead behavior from him. Like, that's meathead behavior. Like, why wouldn't you let the flag just get planted there? My guys wouldn't allow it. Your guys allowed them to be in a situation where they could plant the flag because they won the game. What do you mean they wouldn't allow it? They allowed it like, they allowed it.
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Chris Cody
It's my favorite.
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Lucy
Got his ass.
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Stugatz
Yeah.
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Chris Cody
That's my favorite take of all this.
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Dan LeBatard
You don't want them planting the flag.
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Billy
Why don't you win the game?
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Dan LeBatard
Well, but I mean, they did allow. Stop them from scoring. My guys wouldn't allow that. You allowed it like, you did allow it.
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Lucy
They should have won that game. They were a three touchdown favorite. So I kind of get it with that game. Like, they're a much better team.
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Billy
We have so much to get to. This is the Dan Levator show with the Stuttgarts podcast.
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Chris Cody
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Dan LeBatard
Four days of football. Yeah, that's the holidays. Not how my wife was singing it. Not really quite that joyously. I want to go over with you as we wait for Billy, Gill and Stugatz to come in from God Bless Football, A handful of things that I learned yesterday watching football. And I want you guys to tell me which of these you knew and which you find most interesting. I did not know until yesterday that Eddie Pinero is the most accurate kicker in league history. I don't think a single one of those was important. Even the ones that won games. Not unless he played on the Jake Delome teams or the Cam Newton MVP team. And I don't know about it. So the most accurate kicker in NFL history has kicked a bunch of accurate kicks no one remembers. Speaking of kickers, I did not before yesterday know that Sly, the Patriots kicker who ended that game with a 68 yard attempt that was a yard short, has five misses this year inside of 30 yards. 5. Did you know that?
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Mike Ryan
I didn't know that. What the hell's going on with Justin Tucker?
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Dan LeBatard
That's. That's the only reason. That's the only reason Pinero is now the most accurate kicker is because Justin Tucker has missed enough this year to make his percentage fall lower to closer to 89%.
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Mike Ryan
You know what I think it is? He did a commercial for Craven where he's like the star. It's got Harbaugh in it. It's got Lamar Jackson and they're all in awe of Justin Tucker. It got to his head. It's just like you can't be doing commercials as a kicker.
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Dan LeBatard
The Will Levis commercial for mayonnaise looks less great. When you're down 28 nothing and you've got guys on your team doing sack dances. Down 28 nothing. Which I'm not the joy police, but we can agree. Down 28 nothing. You got to mute the sack dance. No, just you got to. I mean, sacks are hard to get, but you're down 28 nothing. Do I have this wrong?
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Mike Ryan
I'm with you. I think inside 14 points you can do sack dances. Once you.
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Unknown
It's.
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Mike Ryan
Once it's passed. And you know what? Two possessions. Once it's past 16 points, no more sack dances. That's my rule. Inside two possessions, we can still sack dance.
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Dan LeBatard
That's a good rule there. But I do feel like the joy police on this stuff. You guys say how many teams have done the flag pan, a flag planting fight thing. How many times has this now happened? As we chronicle the danger dangers of, you know, kids over celebrating on the opposing field, it seems to me a natural escalation that if you're going to make all of the war analogies and going to do all the stuff about we protect our house and stuff, that when somebody symbolically tries to flag plant on your field that there's going to end up being some fighting involved. Like that's. That seems like a natural escalation of everything we're doing out there.
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Lucy
There were 22 teams involved in fights. I believe there were three flag plants, one pitchfork plant, and then Iowa, Nebraska, they didn't shake hands. So that's like Midwest even worse than a flag plant.
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Dan LeBatard
It's very disrespectful just then that passes in the Midwest for the highest form of insult, refusing to shake hands after.
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Lucy
Yeah, they basically were like, screw you. It's Nebraska fans were not happy about that.
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Dan LeBatard
Mike Ryan, your thoughts here on the flag planting incident that grabbed everybody this weekend?
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Chris Cody
I'm going to get called such a boomer. I've been pretty consistent about this and it may come as a surprise to some folks because I'm a big University of Miami guy and they kind of invented being unsportsman like, but I've been very consistent when it comes to the college game. I don't like the taunting direct to opponents. I don't like hand gestures that are upside down, that are once a player scores a touchdown, puts horns down in someone else's face, and that goes with impute impunity. I certainly don't like the flag planting and I think something needs to be done with it. I know this is a losing position. I understand how old I sound, but rationally, if I can explain to you this is the only sport in the world where that stuff is allowed. We have long since been at the tipping point for court storming and field storming. It's been a discussion and we all know that it's kind of like hanging on by a thread because all it takes is one really nasty incident between fans and players and that's probably gone forever because it's building and building. If someone tries to do what we've saw several times over the weekend, which is take an item that is closely associated with another team and after a result, plant it on the field and physically taunt not just the opposing team, claim land and taunt everybody else there in Europe, that starts a riot. So I'm just saying it's the only place where we allow this in sports. And I'd say that even though I'm in the vast minority here, the world of sports is in the vast majority, that that stuff shouldn't really exist.
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Dan LeBatard
Here's one of the things that I think about this, and I have a lot of thought about it, because it seems to me a natural escalation of. And I know it's been happening for a long time, but these coaches having less control over these players than they would like to have over these players. I saw a Shador Sanders commercial this week, and I don't know how many college football players are doing ads, but it's still startling to me to see a college football player doing a television commercial. And he's doing it for a team that spent the weekend dragging Oklahoma State and making fun of them every time they scored a touchdown because they enjoy their celebrations in Colorado. Oklahoma State, by the way, as bad a big program school I've seen playing football outside of perhaps Purdue and Florida State this season, Oklahoma State, winless in the conference, did not have a chance to complete a pass in that game. I'm sure they completed some, but it seemed like their receivers were always covered in that game. And it seems like if you keep giving these players more and more power in these situations, you're going to get more and more unruly behavior, not less. When the schools are fined, whatever it was, $100,000 or the conference is fined $100,000, that's not going to affect the behavior of the players at all.
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Lucy
Okay, a few things first, I'm not worried about Oklahoma State. Mike Gundy is going to get a cabinet position. He will be fine. He's going to move on. Just. Okay. I think that something we like. I talk about college sports all the time. I think something we tend to forget is we're holding 18 and 19 year olds to this insane moral standard. Their frontal lobes are not develop. Their brains are not fully developed. These are intense rivalries. I don't love the conversation of making it seem like players weren't fighting before. Players have been fighting in college football for a very long time. You don't want to see a situation like Michigan, Ohio State where you're having to use Mace, which was very unnecessary, by the way.
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Dan LeBatard
You're not having to use it.
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Lucy
No, it was an incredibly unnecessary move by. I think it was the Columbus Police Department. I am not sure I like the rivalries in college football. I kind of like the hatred. I think it's what makes it special. I don't know if there's hatred like that in another sport with maybe the exception of European soccer. So, like, we don't want to see fighting. No one wants to see insane fighting. But. But Hornstown jesters are hilarious. You know, like planting the flag. That's been happening for years. Ohio State didn't seem to have a problem with planning the flag when they did it at Oklahoma. Like, it's just something that happens in the sport. It's part of the rivalry. It's part of why college football is such an American institution. There isn't really much like it. And they're 19 years old. They just don't know better.
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Chris Cody
Don't you think this is a pretty recent thing though? Basically, Baker started a trend and you have all these impressionable 19 year olds, as you put it, kind of being rewarded for chasing this social clout. It's in all the highlight packages. We all love it. If ESPN and the broadcast partners use these things as B roll to promote upcoming games. I think that the flag planting and the taunting at the middle of the field. I saw South Carolina fans taking off their belt and whipping the Tiger paw. I also think that Cocky the Gamecock crapped all over the paw in midfield. These are all.
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Unknown
What a great sentence.
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Lucy
His name is Sir Big Spur, by the way. Please don't get it wrong.
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Chris Cody
Look, there's been stuff where you have opposing fans break into a stadium before and carve their initials into that stuff. I guess it has a lure, but I could just do without it. And I think that it's getting a little bit more out of control. And the NCAA has kind of emboldened it. And now we're at a point where you're having pretty ugly scenes. Like what happened in Michigan and Ohio State was ugly. Other people got caught up in it. And I think it's all a byproduct of doing nothing. So I think that they should do something to try to mitigate that.
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Lucy
So. Not Mace.
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Mike Ryan
I don't want to make light of this, but I'm. I think Arizona and Arizona State handled this right. The mascots settle it if there's. If there's an issue after a game. If someone does something. Disrespect. Disrespectful.
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Unknown
Right.
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Mike Ryan
The mascots made at the meet at the 50 yard line and settle it.
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Lucy
Make the coaches fight. Ryan Day step up.
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Unknown
Right.
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Mike Ryan
Because the idea of a mascot's head getting completely flipped around is always funny.
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Unknown
Sure. How about the losers just go to the locker room, take their medicine and that's about it. The winners get to stay out on the field. I don't care what field they're on. And they get to celebrate.
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Dan LeBatard
Why?
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Billy
Because they beat you? Yes.
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Dan LeBatard
That is what a lot of people are saying today. And that incident was indeed ugly. But I would say to you that there's a lot of general lawlessness going on around college football that can also be described that way as ugly. And when you get into one of these situations where there's a cooling off period because of the emotions of what those people are doing, it hurts. They care a great deal. Not allowed immediately into the locker room because they're afraid of what the players might say in those situations because they're all elevated. So when you do something that is that blatantly disrespectful on a field, I do understand the response of like, all we can do here to resolve this at this point is fight because it's insulting and because everyone is elevated and frustrated. Man Stugatz, Ohio State seniors. Imagine you're an Ohio State senior and you haven't beaten Michigan once. That's the end of your career right there. You have yet to beat Michigan and that's how your career ends, where you're a senior who hasn't won against them one time and they're planting a flag in your field at the end when you're A three touchdown, under over a. You know, a favorite. Right.
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Unknown
And I'm saying, don't let that happen.
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Billy
Beat Michigan.
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Unknown
Beat us.
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Billy
I agree. Losing to Michigan four times is a lot worse than them planting a flag.
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Unknown
It's a terrible Michigan team coming into Ohio State. Beat them, and they don't plant the flag.
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Chris Cody
Yeah, it's a. It's. That's. The vast majority of folks are lining up there. I'd say overwhelming. 95% are like, you don't like it. Don't let them score. You don't like it, don't let them win. I understand that. Sometimes, you know, there's two teams playing, there's always going to be a loser. And I think it's perfectly reasonable for these teams to be sore losers about it. It's also distinctly American to be like, you losers.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
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Chris Cody
Why would you take exception to someone taunting you after you lose? It's a human emotion. I think that they should do something about it.
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Billy
Are you not American? I'm confused. It's distinctly American. Europe sucks. I don't know if you're aware of this. Like, we keep saying, like, well, in Europe, this would. Europe is terrible. Which is why all of us left Europe. That's why everybody's here in America. Because everyone decided, you know what? Europe is terrible. Like, the English decided, The Spaniards decided, The Italians decided. Every single person came together at one point in time and said, you know what? We may not disagree on a lot of things, but we can all agree Europe sucks. Let's just jump on this boat and see where it takes us, because we can't be here anymore because Europe, again, terrible. No air conditioning. Everything is old. Horrible. All they do is try to steal American culture and then tell you all of their old crap is so great. Europe, terrible. And it takes forever to get there. Forever to get there. If I'm boarding a plane for eight hours, Europe better not be where I'm landing.
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Mike Ryan
You should have used the other voice. They're gonna know that was you.
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Billy
What. What other voice? You know, the voice who's gonna know it's me, Europe. Okay? An entire continent is gonna get mad at me. Okay, Europe. You have a problem with me, that's fine. Next time I'm there, you can take it up with me, which is hopefully never. Unless the Dolphins play in Spain next year. Because, I mean, go to Spain to watch the Dolphins play. That'll be fun.
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Dan LeBatard
What happened with you in Europe? Like, what happened?
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Billy
I'm just so over Europe. I'm just over it in general. Are you guys, not over Europe. No, I'm not the only one. Guys, we all decided to leave Europe.
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Dan LeBatard
I like visiting Europe.
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Billy
I don't have exactly visit for a short time.
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Unknown
But no one's flocking there to let you come back.
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Billy
Exactly right.
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Dan LeBatard
I don't have these poisonous feelings about Europe that you do.
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Billy
Yeah, Ellen moved to Europe and guess what happened? Her house is underwater.
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Dan LeBatard
That's right.
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Billy
Great move, Ellen.
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Dan LeBatard
As soon as she moved to Europe. Yes, her mansion.
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Billy
So great. Europe over there. Whoops, my house is gone.
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Dan LeBatard
We've got plenty of thoughts and prayers.
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Billy
By the way to everyone affected by all the floods. Yeah, in Spain there's floods too. Serious situation. We shouldn't be making light of it. David.
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Dan LeBatard
Mike. We weren't.
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Billy
Thank you. On the record.
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Billy
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Billy
Don LeBatard. We didn't get to your guys against the spread.
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Unknown
You're right.
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Billy
You're right.
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Unknown
You're right, dude.
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Dan LeBatard
I don't have it against the spread because I wasn't prepared for this segment.
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Billy
You need an Ian in your life.
- [21:47]
Dan LeBatard
You have actively played defense against me today in a way that has rarely been this undercutting.
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Billy
Stuttgarts defense wins championships, baby. That's show business. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats.
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Dan LeBatard
Cocky the game Cock did what, sir?
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Lucy
Big Spur.
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Dan LeBatard
Yeah.
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Chris Cody
I'm sorry.
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Lucy
Please be respectful.
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Chris Cody
Confused him with God.
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Lucy
They were gonna name him Cock Commander. Wish they had.
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Unknown
Oh, wow.
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Lucy
Would have been way better. No, they were gonna name him Cock Commander. And they were like, can't name it Cock Commander. We were like, why not?
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Dan LeBatard
If Miami had won, their mascot, the Ibis could have claimed to be the Cock Commander. Because a Syracuse reporter is claiming publicly that Ibis, the mascot, was hitting on her game on Saturday, the game that ended Miami season in a totally calamitous fashion.
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Lucy
It seemed to be a jokey tweet. It seemed to be just funny. And that. That happens every game you go to. I don't mean to brag. I get hit by on my mascots all the time. Big Al loves me.
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Dan LeBatard
Really?
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Lucy
Very pretty.
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Chris Cody
Something.
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Lucy
No, the elephant from Alabama.
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Chris Cody
Something liberating about wearing a mask that allows you to riz people up.
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Dan LeBatard
Yes, men. Men do that all the time. Stugott claimed to be John Weiner, the Marlin's backup catcher in 1998. John Weiner, when he was working in the ticket office wearing a different kind of mask. Can you guys tell me from among the things that I mentioned, and I wanted to mention a couple of others that I learned over the weekend that I did not know CJ Stroud. One of the reasons he may have regressed is 25 of the sacks have been allowed by guards or centers. Like 20. Pressure up the middle is going to short circuit just about anybody. I wanted to ask Trevor Lawrence yesterday. For what? For what? You're taking that hit. For what? Like you're going out there.
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Chris Cody
He was doing everything in his power to not absorb a hit. Yes, he was. I mean, he was doing what he was taught to Avoid getting hit in that spot.
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Unknown
We're making a big deal of that. It was a bad hit. It was a violent hit. There is no room for that in the sport.
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Dan LeBatard
But no, no, no, no, no.
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Unknown
Dan, the guy. Occasionally that's going to happen where a guy who was trained to tackle and trained to be aggressive, occasionally that is going to happen. And people were outraged by. They wanted him kicked out of the sport for the remainder of the year. Are you. Someone brought up Dick Night Train Lane yesterday. What are we doing? It happened. It was bad head.
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Chris Cody
Let's move on, man. I'm a baby. I'm just so on the losing side of all these things. I thought it was pretty egregious.
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Unknown
I'm not saying it wasn't.
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Chris Cody
It was really bad. Like Trevor Lawrence made like that may impact Trevor Lawrence for the rest of his life.
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Unknown
I totally understand there's no room for it in the sport. But the conversation yesterday and into last night, for crying out loud, was this guy should be suspended for the rest of the year. It's a violent sport. He made a bad decision. It was a gruesome hit. It was ugly. I'm certain he's going to learn his lesson and hopefully he won't do it again. He was kicked out, but can we move on?
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Mike Ryan
I'm with Stuart. People were acting like there was like he set out before the game. I'm going to. It was just. He went a little far.
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Billy
It's.
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Mike Ryan
It's a fast moving game. I'm with Stu. God. It's like, it's a bad play. He should be suspended. He should probably be fine. But to say, like, I, I'm not going to read malicious intent from that. That's just the game's moving fast.
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Unknown
Yes.
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Billy
No, that was a very dirty play that happened. Like, and he went into the. We didn't see it the same as to it, but he went into the fencing pose. If you saw his hands, they both clenched up and they were fists. Like it was an ugly concussion that he got. And he, by the way, seemingly kind of forced his way into that game because there was kind of like, he's questionable. He's questionable. He's like, no, I'm 100% playing. Because if you remember, he was coming off of an injury to get into that game to then just get rocked. Rocked on a dirty play.
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Dan LeBatard
Stugatz. The reason the reaction is what it is is because we are all recoil from seeing one of the players who has a human face. We recognize that's hidden, not hidden behind a Mask be in a position where you can see physically. Oh, that's a brain injury I can diagnose right here on my couch. Like, that's the reason that we recoil that way. I'd be curious to ask you guys this question on two fronts that we're talking about. One, Lucy, what's in your phone that's so interesting? One.
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Unknown
Is that a question?
- [26:30]
Dan LeBatard
Is the flag planting?
- [26:32]
Chris Cody
Sounded like a teacher. Would you like to share with the class?
- [26:35]
Dan LeBatard
I'm just curious.
- [26:36]
Lucy
You know what?
- [26:36]
Dan LeBatard
I'm curious. I wanted to ask her this question. I didn't know whether she was listening to what I was saying or not, so I'm curious.
- [26:43]
Lucy
You're talking about Trevor Lawrence in the Dirty Hit. I pay attention. Guess what, Dan? I'm young. I can multitask. I can be on my phone and listen and be a shining star.
- [26:52]
Dan LeBatard
Okay, very good. I'm gonna challenge that theorem over the course of the next couple of times you're in here. We'll see. The two things I wanted to ask you guys are 1. Do you believe if we're getting 100% honesty from the locker rooms. If I go both into the Texans locker room and into the Michigan locker room and ask, do you regret that? Do you regret what happened there? Yes or no? That is causing people so much anger. Do you regret the action that knocked their quarterback out of the game with a dirty hit?
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Chris Cody
Michigan. I'm a little confused. You said Michigan.
- [27:38]
Billy
I would not regret it if I was Michigan. I would regret it more if I was Ohio State maybe.
- [27:42]
Unknown
I think the Texans regret what happened to Trevor Lawrence. I don't think Michigan regrets what it did at all.
- [27:48]
Lucy
No, Michigan, the running back they interviewed after the game, he was like, you gotta learn how to lose. Which by the way, such a bar. Oh, my God. Damn, he got their ass so bad.
- [27:57]
Billy
You think they know by now too, right?
- [27:59]
Dan LeBatard
Yeah, you would think they know if I went into the Texans locker room. I'm less sure than you guys are that the headhunting that can sometimes result in eliminating the opposing quarterback starter so that now Mack Jones is in the game and you have a better chance to win. I'm not sure how many teams before a game, if I go in and I say, look, look, here's the deal. There's going to be a dirty hit that you didn't intend to be dirty, but it happened. The game moves fast and you got a player eliminated. And the result of that is he gets knocked out of the game, but so does the opposing starting quarterback get knocked out. Of the game. And given that every week is how do we win in the margins? How do we win in the margins? I'm not sure you're getting a consensus on, yeah, I really regret everything that happened there.
- [28:45]
Chris Cody
Well, talk that out a little bit more in your locker room and add cutting off the head of a snake and you're suspended for a year. And you look like you're in witness protection the next time you reemerge in the NFL. Like, what you're saying is exactly what led to bounty gate.
- [28:58]
Billy
I don't 100% understand the question. So, like, is the question, are you happy that you knocked out their quarterback? Or is the question, like, if you were to ask them, like, on truth serum, do they admit that that was a dirty play? Because, like, I think that they can know that that's a dirty play and be like, yeah, that's fine, whatever. We knocked out their quarterback. We don't care. Which is like a lot of what's going on. But I think that they would also, if they were to watch the replay, admit, like, yeah, that was a dirty play.
- [29:21]
Unknown
Well, CJ Stroud, after the game said it was a dirty play from that.
- [29:25]
Billy
But he also is the one that will be on the receiving end of a play like that. So, like, he sees it differently than defenders would see it.
- [29:32]
Dan LeBatard
I'm. What I'm generally saying is the violence that's all out there on Sunday and Saturdays, it's all transactional. There are all, There are consequences for the violence and there are rewards. There are payments all over the place for the violence. And one of the rewards is Mac Jones is coming into the game. And that's good for anybody who's playing against Mac Jones. Even though the way that game ended up going, Mac Jones seemed to be getting more results from points than Trevor Lawrence.
- [30:01]
Unknown
Oh, Mac Jones, they left the back door open for him and he went right through it. That one hurt.
- [30:06]
Billy
I mean, yeah, but also, like, okay, it's a violent sport, but it's a 2 in 10 Jaguars that pose no threat to you, right? And like, you have a comfortable ish lead in your division, so you're probably going to make the playoffs. I would say that the consequence is retribution at some point, which then is like, okay, now what if we go and we take a shot at CJ Stroud as a result? And then that's where you regret it. Now, it didn't happen. But like, those are the things that could happen as a result of these clearly dirty plays, especially against a team that has nothing to Lose like the Jaguar because there's no, like, real rivalry and heated history there between Trevor Lawrence and the Texans or, you know, the Jaguars and the Texans. The Jaguars are out of it. So it's a dumb play because you could then get someone on your team hurt as a result of this play.
- [30:54]
Dan LeBatard
I am not surprised that you are wearing flannel today that you dug out of your closet, as we all are. Yeah, because it's in the 50s here. We're reaching into parts in the closet that we don't normally go into. I am surprised you're wearing a Dolphin cap.
- [31:10]
Billy
Why is that?
- [31:10]
Unknown
What do you mean?
- [31:11]
Dan LeBatard
I mean, these colors don't bleed. They did exactly some of them.
- [31:17]
Unknown
Mm.
- [31:18]
Billy
Some of them what? Some of them did exactly what you would think. I have the stats to prove it, Jack.
- [31:25]
Dan LeBatard
So what are you gonna prove to me?
- [31:27]
Billy
I will tell you this, and I quote at FB underscore analytical FB analytics on the X. Since 1999, five quarterbacks have produced a single game stat line of 350 plus passing yards, 80% completion percentage, 2 plus passing touchdowns, 0 interceptions, and lost Big Ben 34 of 40, 600, 400 passing. You don't need to know all the stats. Big Ben, Drew Brees, Matt Ryan, Sean Watson and Tua on Thanksgiving night. Dan, I know what you're going to say here. Tua's 08 in the cold. He can't win a game in the cold. Now here's the unfortunate reality of the situation. Tua did not lose that game for the Dolphins. The Dolphins could not make a stop on defense in that Thanksgiving game. They couldn't tackle anyone. They seemed. Didn't seem to be interested in tackling anyone.
- [32:21]
Unknown
Fumble, pun.
- [32:21]
Billy
The offensive line was terrible. Armstead had a horrendous game. It's a miracle that tua even completed 80% of his passion passes because he was getting hit left and right. There was no one defending. And again, as two guys pointed out, you had that botched fumble on the punt, and then you still had him going out there and almost botching other fumbles. The Dolphins did kind of what you thought they were going to do. However, this is going to stick to Tua as it should. And it's unfortunate because he had a great game for TUA standards, especially in the elements. It just didn't work out for him and the Dolphins as it doesn't work out for him and the Dolphins in the cold. But it is not his fault. And I know that that's what's going to happen. And here's the thing about Tua that is unfortunate, and it's really unfortunate for.
- [33:03]
Stugatz
The Dolphins, and it's probably what's going to get Chris Greer fired if we're going to be predicting situations here, because some people were saying that Mike McDaniel should be fired as well. And I don't know if I'm ready to go down that path. I think maybe you give. If you're asking me and you're not necessarily asking me, I think maybe you give Mike McDaniel another year, because he's basically a.500 coach at the moment. You give McDaniel another year, but you bring in someone else to make the personnel decisions, and then you see exactly what's going on.
- [33:28]
Billy
What's happened is that we've seen. People were saying, can Tua do it? Is Tua good enough? And that was the question for two, three years now. Is Tua your franchise quarterback? And what we've seen this year, in.
- [33:39]
Stugatz
Part because of Chris Greer and the way he's managed this roster, is that.
- [33:44]
Billy
Tua is the only thing that is working on this team right now. With Tua not there, this team is a disaster. And he does not have as much help as we think he has because.
- [33:51]
Stugatz
Tyreek Hill definitely has something going on, and we can't figure it out. Congratulations.
- [33:56]
Billy
Congratulations, by the way. Tyreek Hill.
- [33:58]
Stugatz
But he has something going on beyond just that roof. It doesn't make sense. So he can't be people going over the top anymore. And maybe that need procedure was actually more serious than they let us know. And we were never going to find out had he not been detained, not arrested.
- [34:13]
Dan LeBatard
I love that you're always.
- [34:15]
Unknown
He didn't say that.
- [34:16]
Dan LeBatard
No, I know. I'm sorry. I'm sorry.
- [34:17]
Billy
I was just saying Tua had a pretty good game, but he's going to get like the. You know, they're going to blame Tua for the situation.
- [34:22]
Dan LeBatard
Tyreek Hill was hurt more by that detaining and not an arrest than we know he was correct. All of it was revealed. It took.
- [34:32]
Billy
I don't know, because the, like, the only good game he had was five minutes after that happened. Right? Like 130 yards or whatever in a touchdown. And then after that, the wheels fell off.
- [34:41]
Mike Ryan
I think it's more defenses just taking away that, like, they're just like, you're going to have to dink and dunk us. You're going to have to run the ball. And they are. I would say it's not just Tua, the offense with Tua is fine. We're running the ball. Our offensive line has been good this year. It's just in defense, like in the cold, we can't tackle well.
- [34:58]
Billy
They can't. They can't stop people. Right. Defense has been a problem for like a couple weeks now. Going back to the Arizona game where they scored 27 points. That should win you a game. But Arizona then beats them. Johnny Smith, love him, paws up. So happy for him having a career year. He's going to get paid. He was not brought in to be the first option and the past couple weeks. He's been the first option.
- [35:17]
Dan LeBatard
The past couple of weeks. The last month, they throw, they target him more than anybody.
- [35:21]
Chris Cody
But it's. It's showing that Mike McDaniel, who has innovated on offense and fix some of the issues by doing different things. They're doing creative orbit motions. It's kind of like all the rage in the NFL right now. The offense is going through Junu Smith because that's what defenses are giving them with the two high safeties. And you have two guys that are supposed to be those type of coverage beaters. But for whatever reason, Waddle and Hill haven't been what they've been in previous years.
- [35:47]
Unknown
Mike McDaniel is 1 in 15 against teams with winning records. Like, that's bad, man.
- [35:53]
Dan LeBatard
That's pretty. Yes, it is. Yes, it is. That is bad. And they are bad in the cold. And this is the time of year that they've been bad for 20 years.
- [36:00]
Unknown
But I'm going to say this because I know Dan doesn't like to do the schedule thing. I always do the schedule thing. The Dolphins are going to finish this season with five consecutive wins. How about that?
- [36:12]
Billy
That's crazy.
- [36:12]
Unknown
Well, I think they are. I do.
- [36:14]
Mike Ryan
They'll make the playoffs if they do that.
- [36:16]
Unknown
I know.
- [36:17]
Chris Cody
Are there any winning teams on their schedule?
- [36:19]
Unknown
There's one winning team on the schedule.
- [36:21]
Mike Ryan
They play the Texans and the Niners. Those are the two tougher games.
- [36:25]
Unknown
Well, no, the Niners don't have a winning record right now.
- [36:27]
Mike Ryan
In theory, they have two more tougher games and then they have two against the jets and one against the Browns.
- [36:31]
Unknown
Yep.
- [36:31]
Billy
I mean, five straight they're in a bad spot. The Dolphins are not just schedule wise because, like, you, like, there's legitimate questions about the blueprint of this team and what you do moving forward. Right. Chris Greer has gotten a lot of it. And you do wonder, is it time? Because you have these pieces, but you're like, if you're going to be honest, you're just not good enough. Like this Dolphins team is simply not good enough as they are right now and you're wasting the pieces that you had. You made the decision not to trade Kaleus Campbell. You made the decision not to trade Tyreek Hill. Whether that was ever a reality or not. There were rumblings. Do you trade Tyreek Hill and figure something out now if the talks are you got to get rid of Greer and hey, Mike McDaniel is not getting the job done done. If Mike McDaniel is out of the picture, which I don't believe he should be, I don't think Mike McDaniel should be fired. Although we haven't really seen the level of success that we were anticipating to see from Mike McDaniel's offense yet. But I don't think that it's time to give up on Mike McDaniel in part because if you get rid of Mike McDaniel, then what happens with Tua who plays perfectly with Mike McDaniel, although it presently not good enough to get you where you are expecting to go.
- [37:42]
Dan LeBatard
Let me ask the group whether in the history of watch parties done by entities, oh, it's going to be a big one as large as ours. There has ever been a game that had a worse combined record than the 4 and 7 the Dolphins are throwing against. What is it, the 3 and 9 jets? Is that are the jets at 3 and 9 as they lose another one stugotts in a and I don't understand why the jets are ever favored in any of these games. All they do is get favored somehow with betting money and then lose all of the games. I'm assuming that that yesterday is as good as Aaron Rodgers has looked all season, physically moving around, connecting with devonte Adams. Like I have not seen him look that fresh this entire season and they lose anyway.
- [38:38]
Chris Cody
I don't think we've ever had a watch along event where the stakes are so high.
- [38:42]
Billy
Yeah, big stakes.
- [38:43]
Chris Cody
Like this is the Dolphins season right here.
- [38:47]
Mike Ryan
It's this Sunday. It's Sunday service. It's presented by Smirnoff. Join God Bless Football at Vivo at Dolphin Mall. Jets Dolphins rivalry game kickoff is at 1pm Eastern. Watch along live. They'll be on YouTube. We'll all be out there. Come on out.
- [39:00]
Billy
Yeah, by the way, we're going to be going from 12 to 5 so you can get there a little bit early. I would recommend getting there early because again, holiday shopping is going to be going on this weekend and Dolphin Mall is a very busy place as it's it is. If you can't go check it out. And Dan, you ask basically saying, why, why are we doing a Dolphins vs jets game? Who wants to see the Dolphins?
- [39:15]
Dan LeBatard
I didn't ask that.
- [39:16]
Billy
It is implied. It was implied. And I'll remind you, sir, we've done Bears vs. Panthers and Cardinals vs. Jets. So this is not game of the year. We do bad games, watch parties. Dan.
- [39:25]
Unknown
Yep.
- [39:26]
Mike Ryan
You know what I was thinking yesterday watching the Eagles game in the 4:00 they show Vic Fangio and it got me thinking, what did, what did he see last year? Because we all kind of criticized him like, oh, he doesn't, he's an old guy. He doesn't get this, the young guy. But he goes to Philly and they have like the best defense in the league. I just, it's rare that a defensive coordinator is just like, I'm good, I'm going to leave. And we all, like, I feel like we overlooked that. And now you see this team and I just wonder, what did he see? What was. I would, I would love an honest interview of Vic Fangio just appraising Mike McDaniel, the way he runs it, because it's odd. When do you see defense coordinators just leave a team? And he did that last year. And so I just, as the Dolphins struggle and as I see him still up in that booth crushing it, I just, I, it got me thinking, what did he see last year?
- [40:10]
Chris Cody
As I understood, as I understood it, it wasn't more complicated than he just wanted to be in Philly.
- [40:15]
Unknown
Yeah.
- [40:15]
Chris Cody
And he's older and he's at the end of his career and he just wants to do things he wants to do.
- [40:19]
Mike Ryan
But if he saw a team that was like, we are really. He, he didn't think this team was close.
- [40:23]
Chris Cody
I mean, Philly was probably by. Considered by most to be closer.
- [40:28]
Mike Ryan
True. And he, and there's, and he has like the pedigree that he can make a move like that. It's just, I'm starting to look at that differently, him leaving the Dolphins.
- [40:36]
Unknown
To what Dan was saying before about the jets, they're the first team in the super bowl era to be favored in nine of their first 12 games and be three and nine.
- [40:47]
Dan LeBatard
If, if I were a conspiracy minded theorist who was thinking that jets management was mad at Aaron Rodgers for everything that's happened, I would do what they did yesterday and have him as the lead blocker on reverses more often.
- [41:03]
Unknown
Yes.
- [41:04]
Dan LeBatard
Because he did that yesterday. And I'm like, what are we doing there? Allowing a 40 year old to sprint into a secondary with the assignment of blocking and anyone can hit him.
- [41:14]
Unknown
It was the first time in his career he's had a 14 plus point lead at home and lost. He was 75. And oh, at Lambeau, it's so Jets. But it was a good loss. I'm glad they lost. We needed that loss.
- [41:27]
Chris Cody
Congrats go out to the AFC east division champion Buffalo Bills. I think we can say with certainty that after the Devonte Adams trade, the gulf between the jets and the Bills actually increase.
- [41:40]
Dan LeBatard
Let's get the video for people of snowballs being thrown during field goal attempts. And Chris Cody, do me the favor as well. I'd like to empty the file you mentioned. People who have left here and gone on to better things, like Vic Fangio. I'd like to clear out our computer file on all of the songs and all of the jokes we told at Dan Campbell. Man Campbell's expense. Can you find all of those please? Because man Campbell, when he came to South Florida and was coaching our team, that is something that we spent a lot of time mocking. And now man Campbell is pretty close to the top of the sport. I guess Philadelphia would make some arguments. Kansas City's got to be the worst 11 and one team there's ever been.
- [42:27]
Unknown
Wow, I cannot believe you said that.
- [42:30]
Dan LeBatard
I mean, it's not saying much. Usually the 111 teams are good and win by a lot. They don't struggle against Carolina. They don't need a botched snap by the Raiders who are falling apart to win at home. Put it on the poll at LeBatard show, please. Juju is the Are the Kansas City Chiefs the worst 11 and one team there's ever been?
- [42:52]
Unknown
I agree with you, but I don't think you want me agreeing with you as it relates to the Chiefs.
- [42:55]
Dan LeBatard
You said it.
- [42:55]
Unknown
I'm just supporting you. Oh God.
- [42:58]
Dan LeBatard
See, I'm sorry. You're not allowed to talk to Chiefs under any circumstances. Let's try that again, Chris Cody and this time get the timing right.
- [43:13]
Mike Ryan
St got minor penalty.
- [43:14]
Dan LeBatard
Two minutes for Chiefs talking. You've earned that penalty, Stugot. You've been doubting the Chiefs and they can't. You can't. You can't doubt the Chiefs for two consecutive super bowl runs. Be that wrong and suffer no consequences for your chief opinions.
- [43:35]
Chris Cody
So they have a 54 point winning differential which is like mid table in the NFL. But it's a. It's quite the take when you consider this as a team that's won back to back Super Bowls and three in total recently that they're the worst 11 and one team of all time.
- [43:51]
Dan LeBatard
You don't get to 11 and one with that point differential. Some of those close games end up getting lost. They've got. They've won a couple of games with a blocked field goal and a botched snap from the other team. You're not even, you're, you're, you're. The other team is failing more than you're succeeding.
- [44:07]
Chris Cody
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