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Dan Le Batard
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Mike Ryan
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Stugotz
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Mike Ryan
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Mike Ryan
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Mike Ryan
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Jessica
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Mike Ryan
Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadow Show. Shadowing it. Shadowing it. Jessica, how many University of Miami games have you gone to with Mike Ryan?
Dan Le Batard
I think two. Maybe he didn't go to the last two. I don't know why his basketball teams are so good this season. He just abandoned them.
Mike Ryan
And what has it been like when you've been with him at those games? There's a reason I'm asking these questions.
Dan Le Batard
He wears a full adidas Miami Hurricanes tracksuit. He sort of like, walks in with a swagger. He shakes everyone's hands in the club section. He's got great parking. Great parking, great seats. I sat on the courtside for the women's basketball game. Touch him Wood, like, three seats down from Brianna Stewart.
Chris Cody
Now I'm curious. Is his hair slicked back or pushed back?
Mike Ryan
Never back.
Stugotz
I got the Entradas. Not showing the world that.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, I mean, you should know better than that.
Chris Cody
I thought you'd be slick, man.
Stugotz
Real good question.
Mike Ryan
The Adidas jumpsuit thing, is it Tony Sparano? Ish. Is it Bob Huggins? Ish. What is he going for, like, in terms of just throwing on gear that represents I'm Miami through and through. And also, I'm a dad.
Dan Le Batard
Tony Soprano, like I would say.
Mike Ryan
Yeah, okay. That's an easy mistake for me to make.
Stugotz
He's the old Dolphins coach.
Dan Le Batard
Jess, I didn't know if you meant to say Sparano.
Jessica
It works for both.
Mike Ryan
Oddly, it works for both.
Stugotz
But he's no longer with us.
Mike Ryan
I did mean to say Tony Soprano.
Dan Le Batard
Okay, well, it's that one. Because he's a little Italian.
Mike Ryan
The reason I bring it all up is because I don't know if you guys know if Mike has told you, and Mike's, you know, been publicly critical of their athletic director. So when you're in this company, it can be a little awkward. But while all of this going on, you know where Mike is in a group of people that have heard him say some things that can be critical of the University of Miami. He was stunned and surprised to get a hello from Zagaki.
Dan Le Batard
I got a text message about it.
Stugotz
Well, because Jess has been with me while I have to awkwardly shuffle past Josie. I see.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, Mike's tickets. So you have to get from, like, the club section to where his tickets are behind the visitor bench. You have to go in between the row of the, like, stat keepers and the, you know, the TV and the radio people. And you gotta kinda like, oh, excuse me. Squeezing right past you there because it's a very narrow. So you kind of bump everyone a little bit. And so Zagaki sits right there every damn time. And, you know, Mike's walking through in his tracksuit, and, like, Mike's a big guy. Like, Zagaki sees him coming, and it's very awkward for Mike.
Mike Ryan
But there's never interaction, though. There's never. Mike knows Mike has felt the ice off of him. He's pulled up next to Zagaki in a tailgate. He's Felt the ice off of Zagaki, who will not talk to. But you got a hello this time.
Stugotz
I got a hey, mic. Or at least I'm 90% sure I heard a hey, Mike. I was so shell shocked by it because I was in a room in which there was some tensions in the room. So he wasn't my focus for the first time. The awkward interaction that I was focusing on wasn't with Josie. And he undercut it. He was right next to me and he said, hey, Mike. I said hey back, and that was that.
Dan Le Batard
You said hello.
Stugotz
I said, hello. No, I don't. I. That was the extent of it. But advantage Josie, because he totally disarmed me.
Chris Cody
And now you guys are gonna go get chicken spaghetti at Chickilinis together.
Mike Ryan
That's not how you say that.
Stugotz
I don't get the reference. But yeah, I think Josie. So I happen to know Josie. Not a fan of mine.
Mike Ryan
How do you happen to know it?
Stugotz
Well, when I happen to know something, Dan, as we have established, it's certifiable because he's. It's my understanding that he's told people. This is not. This is why my interactions with him are uncomfortable. And I understand it too.
Roy
Roy.
Mike Ryan
Why do you have a giant smile on your face?
Stugotz
There had to have been another mic around. This is the Don Levatar show with the Stugats podcast.
Mike Ryan
Amin stopped us all dead in our tracks with a reference from I Think youk Should Leave. And the thing that I think of about when I think of the show, I think you should leave is my. My brother's widow. One time I was telling her about that show and that she should see it at a crowded place and that her and my brother would like it. But when she heard me say, I think you should leave, she thought I was telling her in a loud place that I thought she should leave. And so I have an awkward moment with that show. In terms of sketch comedy, that's the best we've had recently in terms of a breakout sketch comedy thing. Correct. Because they've gotten other opportunities because of how popular I think you should leave was. And I don't think it was a cult hit. There's so many things that you can choose from these days. The idea that that stood out and that a sketch show. What was the Showtime sketch show? Zoe? There was a Showtime sketch show. Showtime didn't do this well with Desus and Marrow that disappeared.
Chris Cody
Well, that wasn't a sketch show. That was more of a late night talk show.
Mike Ryan
Well, they started it as a. They Did. They were doing sketch stuff, which surprised me because it's hard to do sketch stuff and the expectation of funny changes the dynamic on that sort of thing. I didn't think they should be doing sketch stuff.
Chris Cody
There's a different sketch show that was very, very funny, very well done, but did not break through. It was Michael Che. He had a sketch show on Max. It was streaming only, never aired on hbo, it was streaming only. It was really well done, really funny. And especially because it was outside of the environment of snl. It was one of the things that made me say, holy crap. This as a construct is letting him down because he's incredibly funny and these sketches are really very well written. Most of them were hits and the show never really did well or made any noise. I don't know if that's a marketing thing or what that was about. But yes, you're right. Tim Robinson, I think he's about to have a moment. Jeremy, he's in a movie, right, that's coming out soon.
Mike Ryan
Friends with Paul Rudd.
Jessica
Right?
Chris Cody
Paul Rudd. It's kind of like I love you, man. For the trailer, it feels like I love you, man. But with Tim Robinson.
Mike Ryan
Well, Tim Robinson doing the maximum awkward thing, there's nobody really occupying that particular lane. And when you say having a moment, no, I mean he is now a star. Correct?
Chris Cody
Because funny, I don't think. I think we haven't quite hit that crest yet. I think we know cuz we're nerds. But like, he's gonna have that moment where like, everybody's gonna know who Tim Robinson is in a way that right now people don't.
Dan Le Batard
I think it is a little bit of a cult favorite and we're just all part of the cult. I'm. I'm deeply, deeply sorry for not getting the reference in the Shadow show that I feel really terrible about it. I think Detroiters, his other show with Sam Richardson, one of the most underrated comedies of the last, I don't know, decade. It's so funny. I laugh at the episode where it's Mr. Duvet's birthday and the clown is there, is the greatest television I've ever seen in my life.
Mike Ryan
Who else is occupying right now this lane of just making things maximum awkward? Because that takes a different kind of bravery. And as comedians complain all the time these days about comedy being harder to do because of how sensitive we are. Is there anyone else occupying, bravely occupying the lane of I'm just gonna go and make. I'm gonna make you laugh by just making things so awkward? Uncomfortably awkward and silly that I'm going to consistently get you with the awkwardness we're talking about.
Stugotz
Zway.
Mike Ryan
Yes. Oh, yeah, I called it. That's a fine. I called her Zoe. Yeah, Z way is what that show had some funny stuff in it. That show. That show got canceled too soon, like a lot of them are these days.
Dan Le Batard
Yeah, she had really funny interviews that would go viral on that.
Mike Ryan
Also awkward, though. She would do that on purpose. She was going purposely awkward.
Jessica
There's a lot more of that on, like Tik Tok, honestly, with a lot of people who are purposefully making you feel uncomfortable, whether it's going and approaching people as a purposefully bad singer and asking them to sit through songs that you're singing or pretending to act as a certain type of protagonist in a movie but in real life and just making people feel uncomfortable with what they're watching. But because it's all edited together and it's not live or in an interview setting, it allows for TikTok creators to do that a little more.
Chris Cody
Eric Andre is another person. It's a great example, a great job.
Dan Le Batard
New season of Righteous Gemstones coming out in two weeks.
Chris Cody
Can't wait.
Mike Ryan
I still have. I have on my phone and I will just check in every once in a while with him in Righteous Gemstones doing an imaginary lasso during a congregation preaching he was doing and pulling someone out of their physical seat because of how well he does awkward almost everywhere that he appears. Speaking of awkward, the big story from the scouting combine, which had a whole bunch of NFL News yesterday. We did not get to all of it, but there was a ton of NFL news big wheel at Starbucks in Indianapolis. Conflicting reports about Brady and Stafford meeting led to Jordan Schultz, an information insider.
Guillermo
From Fox friend of the show, verbally.
Mike Ryan
Accosting Ian Rapoport at a Starbucks in Indianapolis.
Chris Cody
Do you know what the funniest thing about that story is right there? End the sentence there.
Mike Ryan
I do.
Chris Cody
Does anyone else know?
Mike Ryan
Well, yes, I do know. And I think people in our group know because it did make me laugh out loud when I got to the sixth paragraph of this story. I was not sure that this detail was true and I was surprised by it.
Chris Cody
Oh, it is absolutely true. Before I reveal it to the audience. Do you guys know what's funny about that sentence? Everyone's nodding their head. Chris, do you?
Guillermo
That they were in line and that they didn't order on the app and pick it up.
Chris Cody
He does the show very well.
Mike Ryan
Yeah.
Chris Cody
Jordan Schultz is the son of Howard Schultz, the founder of Starbucks.
Mike Ryan
Do you think that he's got to pay for Starbucks?
Chris Cody
Absolutely not. My dad. You don't think he's got a lifetime Starbucks car?
Guillermo
I didn't know that that was his son. I just thought Schultz was a common last name. He does work hard, Jordan, so it's not surprising that he's found great success in this life.
Chris Cody
No. That's incredible, isn't it, that he would.
Mike Ryan
Be in a Starbucks and that they would get into a fight. There are a number of things about this that are funny. I also want to just. I want to review with you guys and get a formal definition for how it is that you define a costing, because I will tell you that. So Palantonio in New Orleans came up to me also in a Starbucks, and it felt like an accosting to me, just because it was early and I didn't particularly want to talk to anybody. But I don't know what accosting. Like, what that means exactly. Like, if I'm accusing you of accosting, what happened? They're just shouting at each other in a Starbucks. What is a costing?
Guillermo
I would think it's I got Bob Costas. Like, I got. Whatever that is.
Stugotz
I got it in a past tense.
Guillermo
I got cost.
Dan Le Batard
I was going to say it's what you do to us in the morning show every. Every single morning in our meeting.
Stugotz
A costume can feel good. It can feel like camaraderie, but to others, it could feel like a costing, which actually does fit.
Chris Cody
Bob Costas, what was the context of what Sal Palantonio did to you?
Mike Ryan
Well, no, no, again, Sal Palantonio just came up and said, hello. I have not talked to him in a long time.
Stugotz
Dan was like, ah, but he does not like you.
Mike Ryan
I didn't think he did. And I've said some things on the air that are funny about him. We've made some fun of him. We've also pointed out the teeth, which is something that we do to some of the people at espn, Mike, most specifically. But that stuff all gets attached to me when your teeth seem to be veneers or not real. But he came up to me, and I didn't have any. I haven't had much of a relationship with him and haven't talked to him in a long time. And he just started talking to me about how long he had been at ESPN. One of the longest tenured employees, 33 years, still doing it. And it felt like an accosting, but he was just being nice.
Chris Cody
The most amazing thing about that story, it wasn't Outside the Eagles Stadium. I thought Sal was fixed there.
Stugotz
Oh, dude. Like he in front of that team facility that looks like it's in the mushroom kingdom.
Dan Le Batard
Does he sign off his IRL conversations with Es?
Mike Ryan
Jeremy Shaft? Does he. He has been great for a long time for espn. I don't. How many. How many people does ESPN have that have been there longer than Sao Paul Antonio? Like it cannot at this point. It cannot be Hannah Storm.
Dan Le Batard
I feel like has been there for a long time.
Guillermo
Linda Cohen, Linda Cohn.
Stugotz
Linda Cohn's still doing it.
Chris Cody
Hannah Storm was at NBC and like got to espn. I think not long either before or after I got to espn. Sal Pal.
Dan Le Batard
Really? Maybe I just blended her pre ESPN days and other ESPN days because you.
Chris Cody
Knew who she was. It was quite a. It's one of the rare huge free agency gets for ESPN in terms of news anchors. Usually they're homegrown. Right. Or they get them from local TV and they grow into this role. Hannah Storm was like a massive deal way before espn and then she ended up at espn, which was Chris Berman's.
Dan Le Batard
Gotta be up there.
Mike Ryan
Well, but I feel like he's more ambassador or he's got tenure. Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
He still does the. What the Internet tells you every Monday.
Guillermo
Google says it is Linda Cohn, that she's been there since 92.
Stugotz
Longest full time over 5,000.
Mike Ryan
But that's because they're not counting Berman. Correct. Because Berman is now part time or ambassador.
Stugotz
No, it was definitely a man.
Chris Cody
Oh yeah.
Mike Ryan
The GV is another one that Hannah Storm has. She had a total of 33 years. She wouldn't have had a total of 33 years at the network.
Stugotz
No, not at ESPN.
Mike Ryan
Is the network. Is. Is the network anchor or the star anchor? Is that dead? I'm not even talking about sports. I'm just talking about.
Stugotz
So people cared about the lesser Holt news.
Mike Ryan
Lester Holt is what classifies as like used to be Brian Jennings and Brian Jennings and Dan Rather and Tom Brokaw and. And Peter Jennings.
Stugotz
Not Brian Jennings. Sorry.
Mike Ryan
Thank you. Brian Williams.
Jessica
That's a fine.
Mike Ryan
Another fine. Damn it.
Stugotz
Yeah. What are you doing? Is this like SNL isn't good anymore when it comes to.
Mike Ryan
No, I'm asking the question. Look, look, obviously the nightly news isn't what it used to be. That goes without saying. Obviously there's no one credible source that you go to that is the established standard for American news now that we've politicized it all. But even beyond that, when he said star free agent anchor, I thought to myself, is that Even a thing anymore in sports. Like, can that even exist? Like, obviously Scott Van Pelt is that thing. But a star free agent anchor.
Dan Le Batard
Matt Lauer's a free agent.
Mike Ryan
The wrong Matt Lauer.
Chris Cody
Wrong.
Mike Ryan
The terribly wronged victim Matt Lauer. According to Bain, Charlie Rose too.
Stugotz
It's weird, I think that cable news evening host. Because they're not really anchors. Those are more opinion shows, they are more famous, more talked about than the network anchor. Which used to be the destination.
Chris Cody
Used to be the destination. Now. Kind of what Dan would call a traffic cop. Right. And inherently replaceable.
Stugotz
Like Hannity is more famous than Lesser Holt.
Chris Cody
Yes, yes, absolutely. For all the wrong reasons. But Lesser Holt is up there.
Jessica
I would say David Muir, too.
Chris Cody
David Muir is another one. Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
Zaddy.
Guillermo
What's Anderson Cooper?
Chris Cody
Anderson Cooper.
Mike Ryan
We've cheapened it, though. And in sports, in sports right now there isn't somebody that would play the role of traditional anchor that would move to places like Tirico's the last. But, but, but I'm saying he wouldn't or hasn't done it. Van Pelt would be somebody. But that's not a thing that's going to happen anymore. Is the idea of that dead? The, the, the star. I need to get that television person who's associated with just news giving, not opinion, not, not this, this is the political perspective of this person or attitude or charisma or personality. This is a news giver and I trust this person as a credible source. That's dead. Right.
Stugotz
Joy Reid. Just kidding.
Jessica
I mean, Rachel Maddow, right. She's a, she's an incredible.
Dan Le Batard
She's terrible.
Mike Ryan
Oh, yeah, true.
Stugotz
Thanks, man.
Chris Cody
I think, I think it's a weirder conversation that Dan is trying to play because I think for news there are names and there are places, but for sports, I'm with you. I don't know if there are any names out there who aren't already established at espn.
Stugotz
He is SVP though.
Chris Cody
But he's at espn. Like, who would espn if ESPN wanted to do a Hannah Storm like deal, we're going to go out and get a big name because SVP was on the Golf Network before.
Mike Ryan
It's got to be like a bark. It's going to be a Barclay. But as an information person, what I'm saying is the objective one, someone who does Scott Van Pelt, whatever his politics are, I don't believe anybody would know them. Like, he is there to give the information to host a show and he's got a personality, but it's. You will not see on SportsCenter, an assortment of strong personalities that are going to. Or strong opinions that are going to be polarizing. Like, that's not something that, you know. That's not something that. That's the domain. The people getting paid there are the Barclays, the Stephen A. Smiths, the people who have very strong polarizing opinion.
Chris Cody
Right. I'm gonna ask you to stop saying we don't know what his politics are, because again, we're talking about sports anchors, and there are plenty of people who are opinionated who would not fit the mold that you're talking about, that we don't know their politics either. I know what you're trying to say. I'm just saying for the purpose of this conversation, it makes it a lot clearer if we're saying, hey, who's the person who's not an opinion person out there? So not a Barkley, not a Stephen A. Smith, whatever. Who is a news person, objective, who can come over to ESPN as a big hire. That. I don't know who that person is.
Mike Ryan
Johnson, Noah, Eagle.
Chris Cody
But okay, so Noah.
Guillermo
Yeah, Ernie's actually a good one.
Chris Cody
I was kind of being funny, but Noah, Noah is a play by play guy. So. And that's. And Tirico even, who obviously started at ESPN as well. He's a play by play guy.
Guillermo
Ernie's a great.
Chris Cody
Ernie would be the name because Ernie hosts a studio show and he plays it down the middle. And it's, you know, strictly the facts. Ernie would be the guy. And technically he'll be at ESPN next year.
Guillermo
Ernie might be.
Jessica
I don't.
Guillermo
I mean, I love Scott Van Pelt. Ernie might be number one on this list. Oh, I mean, and just in terms of, like, people would be like, oh, that's a great hire.
Chris Cody
I mean, how many Emmys do you want to throw on the table? Right? Like, yeah, yeah. You think so?
Mike Ryan
But you guys have seen the change in how it is. We consume all of this stuff so that we go to people we like. For example, maybe you check in with the View and Whoopi Goldberg is somebody that you like to check in with because it's not news, it's a personality. And Diana Taurasi is appearing on her show after retiring. And then this is how it ends up going with Whoopi and delighting fans.
Jeremy
Of the Phoenix Mercury, Diana Taurissi is announced.
David
Taurasi.
Mike Ryan
Taurasi.
David
Taurasi.
Mike Ryan
Thanks, Taurasi.
Jeremy
Why don't you do it?
David
No, I don't want to do it. Well, she announced yesterday.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
David
Do you want to make it a no, go ahead. That she is retiring or hanging up her jersey and retiring and we get to see her now. So please give a warm welcome to Diana De Rocky.
Mike Ryan
Paula.
Jeremy
Oh, yes. Good to see you.
Mike Ryan
Good to see you.
Chris Cody
Whoopi.
Dan Le Batard
I mean, Whoopi.
Mike Ryan
That's the same.
Chris Cody
Mwah.
Guillermo
Got her.
Mike Ryan
That was well done. Can we just check back in with Whoopi though, so that you could look at her face and she is seething the entire time. She's mortified. She cringes. She look. Just watch her face at how mortified she is the entire time.
Jeremy
The Phoenix Mercury Diana Tyrese is announced.
David
Taurasi.
Mike Ryan
Taurasi.
Guillermo
Taurasi.
Mike Ryan
Thanks. Oh, that.
Guillermo
Thanks.
Jeremy
Why don't you do it?
David
No, I don't want to do it. Well, she announced yesterday.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
David
Do you want to make it a.
Chris Cody
So go ahead.
David
She is retiring or hanging up her jersey and retiring and we get to see her now. So please give a warm welcome to Diana de.
Jeremy
Oh, yes. Good to see you.
Whoopi Goldberg
Good to see you, Whippy.
Mike Ryan
I mean, Whoopy. I'm telling you, people don't know how cruel she is. Dark, dark inside.
Dan Le Batard
If that happened on this show, Chris would be doing this the whole time.
Whoopi Goldberg
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Jessica
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Stugotz
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Mike Ryan
Don LeBatard While there's nothing official and conversations are still ongoing.
Roy
Was that a fake chef dirt?
Guillermo
Because it was pretty good. I feel like there's legs.
Stugotz
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
I tried at the beginning, and then I lost confidence in it. It was good. It was good.
Guillermo
You got this.
Mike Ryan
Nothing official.
Chris Cody
Yeah.
Mike Ryan
So conversations are still ongoing. Stugats. It is TR towards Nick Sirianni remaining the head coach of the Eagles. This is the Dan Levatar show with the stugats.
Chris Cody
Taurasi. Man, like that, what we were talking about yesterday. That's exactly. That's a perfect capsule. A kind asshole. Is that what you called her yesterday?
Dan Le Batard
I mean, that's what she calls herself.
Stugotz
A castle.
Dan Le Batard
Confirmed by her friends. Casserole.
Chris Cody
Casserole.
Guillermo
I just love the. You hear Whoopi. Like, the little panic when she doesn't know the name pronunciation. I've been there before. I did it yesterday with oogling and ogling.
Chris Cody
Well, the difference is.
Guillermo
Stop. You just a little hiccup because you're like, is it Tarasi? Teresa?
Chris Cody
The difference is you weren't reading off a prompter.
Guillermo
That's right.
Chris Cody
And she is. And if you're reading off. If you're writing the scripts on a prompter, they always tell you, who gives a shit how the name is actually spelled? Type it the way it's supposed to be pronounced. So you go T O, A, R in caps, dash A, S, S, Y phonetically. Yes. You type it like that. And that way, even if she mispronounce it as Taurassi, that's still closer than.
Jessica
Give me an ah, then an S, e. There you go.
Chris Cody
Yeah. Tor Ozzie.
Mike Ryan
Yeah.
Dan Le Batard
But, yeah, I think to me's point, it is perfect because it's like, you know, she's not trying to intentionally humiliate Whoopi Goldberg. She's just trying to poke fun at it, and she's not taking herself so seriously. She's like, how dare you not know how to say my last name?
Chris Cody
Yes, exactly.
Mike Ryan
I don't know if the rest of you remember Gene Hackman being on this show Transition, but Gene Hackman has passed away at the age of 95. In the last couple of times I had seen him, he was being photographed by paparazzi, and he was aging, you know, in a way that physically made him hard to recognize. He didn't. He no longer looked like the person anymore that he used to be because he was 95 years old. Some of the details. He died and his wife were found and dog dead. Right. And they're not suspecting foul play, but that seems like a together pact, right?
Stugotz
No, no, it could be carbon monoxide poisoning. That if they don't suspect foul play, that's usually where the mind goes.
Mike Ryan
But foul play is others. I had assumed and I don't know what happened here. Obviously the dog too.
Stugotz
The dog put his hand in the pile, like, yeah, all right, let's do this.
Mike Ryan
Well, I think they probably make the decision for the dog if, like, I just assume when they were found dead together, I thought that was a choice made by them. I mean, that's where my mind meant initially. But that might be irresponsible of me.
Stugotz
Regardless, because I don't think you know enough about carbon monoxide poisoning.
Mike Ryan
Well, if it is carbon monoxide poisoning, then of course that would explain it. But if it's not carbon monoxide darkness.
Stugotz
You got living inside you, pal.
Dan Le Batard
He thought Nosferatu was a love story, so I think we know it was lust one.
Mike Ryan
Can you play for me the sound of Gene Hackman? 7:00 in the morning is too early.
Stugotz
To watch Bram Soaker's Dracula. That's a love story. And Nosferatu, that duck wins.
Mike Ryan
Can you play anything that we have from Gene Hackman's appearance on our show? There's lots and lots of actors that I really admire.
Stugotz
Pacino, De Niro, Tom Hanks.
Mike Ryan
Oh, I don't know, just a whole gaggle of guys. That's it. Very funny.
Guillermo
I also have a two minute clip of you saying you could whoop his ass in the show fighting you on it. I don't know if we want to play that to celebrate him, man.
Chris Cody
You said that about Gene Hackman.
Mike Ryan
I don't have the context for this, but we've got to empty the file.
Stugotz
I think he was in his 70s at this point. Point.
Chris Cody
88.
Guillermo
He was at this point.
Chris Cody
Yes.
Mike Ryan
We felt old around here when the IC Dead People kid was a guest on our show and we learned he's 30 from, from the Sixth Sense movies. Like what I. I've told you before, Gene Hackman and Clint Eastwood being 88 is totally disorienting to me. They're such a different kind of 88 too. Right? Like, you guys don't think that I would lose a fight against Gene Hackman, but you do think I'd lose one to Clint Eastwood.
Roy
Oh, he would rush you. I think you lose to Hackman too. I gotta be honest with you.
Mike Ryan
Man.
Stugotz
Despite the assumption by you.
Mike Ryan
Come on, man, come on. Even if you think my fighting skills are those of Paul Giamatti, I still.
Chris Cody
Gotta put it on the poll.
Mike Ryan
Who's winning a Fight Gene Hackman or Paul Giamatti? 50, 88 year old Gene Hackman or 51 year old Paul Giamatti?
Roy
I think. Yeah.
Mike Ryan
That doesn't mean I can't fight. Now, my, my fighting game has been. I haven't used it in about 19 years.
Stugotz
I mean, have you ever seen Every which Way but Loose, man? He would kick your tail.
Mike Ryan
I mean, if he brought the orangutan. If he brought the. Was that a chimp? I don't know whether it's an orangutan or a chimp.
Stugotz
You just throw a handful of gluten in your eye and you'd be like.
Mike Ryan
That'S cheating. He can't throw things at me.
Stugotz
Oh, Gene Hackman doesn't play fair.
Roy
No, he does not.
Mike Ryan
Come on, guys, guys, what do you mean I can't win a fight?
Guillermo
You do not want to cross Gene Hackman.
Roy
Look at his face, man. It's such an angry face. Seriously, he would take you out to the woodshed.
Mike Ryan
What, what is that phrase?
Roy
I don't know, it's.
Stugotz
It's certainly not a 2018 phrase.
Mike Ryan
Is it a 1918 phrase? Because I think it might be a 1918 phrase.
Roy
I'm on it.
Guillermo
Was wood not like plentiful before that. You had to store it in case someone else came and took all the wood.
Mike Ryan
I don't know.
Stugotz
The shed was made of wood. Yeah.
Guillermo
No, I think that the shed held the wood.
Mike Ryan
Well, that's a good question. Now we're playing the game. Now we're cooking with gas because you.
Guillermo
Just say a shed. A woodshed stores wood.
Mike Ryan
Why are we spanking people out at the woodshed? Why are we, are we hitting them with the wood?
Stugotz
So as not to disrupt what's going on inside. I mean, manners.
Roy
You got to go away from the action where everyone is. When you want to take someone out to the woodshed, when you want to discipline someone, you can't do it in public. You got to go somewhere private. To do it in the woodshed is private.
Mike Ryan
I'm with the confusion, though. I'm with. I don't know if it's a shed made of wood or a shed holding wood. Put it on the pole. Guillermo. Taking someone out to the woodshed, is it a shed made of wood or is it a shed where the wood is kept?
Stugotz
Both.
Chris Cody
Several notes. Number one, we didn't need the last 30 seconds. We were doing a Gene Hackman clip the rest. Wood, shed.
Guillermo
That's good show banter.
Stugotz
Classic show. Classic show, man.
Chris Cody
Number two, Gene Hackman was in The Marines. I don't know if any of you guys knew that then or now. He's.
Mike Ryan
But he was 88.
Stugotz
Number three ain't in the Navy.
Chris Cody
And to Mike's point about died, Mike's point about throwing gluten in your eyes, that's cheating, right? This is a Gene Hackman quote about acting and being successful at acting. He said it was more psychological warfare because I wasn't gonna let those efforts get me down. I insisted with myself, I would continue to do whatever it took to get a job. It was like me against them. And in some ways, unfortunately, I still feel that way. It's a narcotic in the way that you are trained to do this work, and nobody will let you do it. So you're a little bit nuts. You lie to people, you cheat, you do whatever it takes to get an audition to get a job. Ladies and gentlemen, that is the words of someone who absolutely. Throw gluten in your eyes and then.
Stugotz
Kick your ass doesn't play fair.
Mike Ryan
I remember from that interview him saying that he didn't watch any of his movies ever because he was so self conscious about how he looked and was so self conscious about his acting that he would not want to watch all the things that he had done wrong.
Stugotz
Well, he missed some bangers. I mean, Crimson Tide is one of the greatest movies ever made.
Chris Cody
I would have thought you went with the replacements. I looked at you, Mike. I said, mike's lips.
Stugotz
I'm a replacements guy. I love the cast, but I'm not a replacements guy. I think it's overrated.
Dan Le Batard
I agree.
Chris Cody
Roy Superman.
Stugotz
Yes. He was a good Lex Luthor. Yeah, he wasn't bald.
Dan Le Batard
Can we talk about Roy in that clip saying he would kick your tail?
Stugotz
We were at ESPN at the time.
Dan Le Batard
But why'd you go with tail and not butt?
Stugotz
Tail's funnier. Tail's funnier.
Dan Le Batard
Kick your tail.
Mike Ryan
The private show that I got during that woodshed clip was rat a tat tat. In one ear, I heard Chris Cody say, listen to Stugatz in his prime. And in the other ear, because he said he was so quick. And in the other ear, Mike Ryan said of Stugats. How does your laugh lose a step? Put it on the poll at LeBatard show. Can a laugh lose a step? Yes or no. Mike Ryan mentioned Crimson Tide. What else do you have there from the Gene Hackman? I mean, you could run.
Stugotz
You could go back.
Mike Ryan
Yes. I mean, he had. That's a Hall of fame acting career. He was. He was in the Dirty Dozen wasn't he wasn't Gene Hack. Gene Hackman was in some of those action movies.
Stugotz
French Connection.
Mike Ryan
French Connection. He was in Bonnie and Clyde.
Stugotz
Bird Cage.
Guillermo
Birdcage is my favorite.
Stugotz
Birdcage is an all timer. I think if you pull the audience.
Dan Le Batard
The Academy Award for Frightened. French Connection. Right?
Chris Cody
I mean, yes.
Dan Le Batard
I think he has two Academy Award.
Chris Cody
Best actor wins that one and Unforgiven was the other one.
Stugotz
Unforgiven was great.
Guillermo
Heartbreakers.
Stugotz
Yeah. Me, he, he later in his career, he leaned into comedy in ways that were like he was in the Royal tennis on triple Ds. He, he was great. I, when I became a Gene Hackman fan was when I was young and he was old and I, I, I hadn't known him for all the great roles that he built his career on. I knew him as a character actor later in life and he was knocking it out of the park. He willingly retired, seemingly as his career was still like he was probably at the end of his career making more money than he had ever had in his entire career.
Mike Ryan
Per role. He was in the firm with Tom Cruise. And I'm not sure who the bigger star was at the time.
Stugotz
It was Tom Cruise.
Mike Ryan
Well, you love Tom Cruise. I think people forget that Tom Cruise. Do I have my history on this, Ryan?
Stugotz
Tom Cruise is the biggest movie star ever.
Mike Ryan
Okay, you've said this before, but also the smallest. Do I have my. No, no, he's not. There are many, many smaller. They're also.
Stugotz
Who's taller, him or Stallone? Oh, Dustin Hoffman.
Mike Ryan
I was stunned in Nosferatu. How small Dafoe is.
Stugotz
Defoe is very tiny, but also seems to be burning.
Dan Le Batard
Dafoe and Hackman.
Chris Cody
Absolutely. And someone said Dustin Hoffman. Dustin Hoffman and Gene Hackman started acting together in a small like playhouse in Pasadena and they were both voted least likely to succeed. Everybody in their class hated them and thought they weren't any good. And so Hackman moves to New York in order to become an actor. And when he's in New York, him, Hoffman and who's the third guy? They were all roommates. Is it Robert Duvall? Yes.
Mike Ryan
That's a loaded room right there.
Chris Cody
That's insane, right? Him, Robert Duvall and Dustin Hoffman as roommates. Struggling actors trying to make it, being told by everybody, you suck, go get a day job.
Mike Ryan
I have here a text from David Sampson on this. So you're saying Duvall, your timing wasn't great on that. I could have used that about 10 seconds ago. I saw you say bleep. I saw you Mouth bleep and then run to the computer.
Guillermo
I get that on my buckboard.
Mike Ryan
He said Robert Duvall. Like he said it three times. I'm staring straight at you.
Guillermo
I don't just have every sound at my disposal.
Mike Ryan
This is what you do.
Guillermo
Type some in.
Mike Ryan
You literally are the one who has every sound at his disposal. The text from David Sampson that informed me. Pardon me. Speaking of small people, David Sampson sent me a text that informed me that Gene Hackman had died because he is the person, not surprisingly, like many of you are, who likes to be the one informing others.
Guillermo
Taylor more than most.
Mike Ryan
But yes, that they had died. But the way that he did it was. Was in the most Samson way possible. Gene Hackman may have just gotten the final photo for Sunday's In Memoriam because the Oscars are Sunday.
Guillermo
Definitely did.
Stugotz
He's gonna make the cut.
Mike Ryan
Huh?
Dan Le Batard
What a weird thing to think of.
Stugotz
I thought about it too.
Guillermo
Did his family's thinking about it.
Stugotz
Definitely.
Guillermo
If the timings. This is good timing.
Dan Le Batard
Not that he would be in the. In memorial. It said he would be like at the, like what position he would.
Stugotz
Well, I would assume he's at the end because the whole thing is already pre. Pre.
Guillermo
If he dies a week later, he's just middle of the pack in the memoriam.
Stugotz
Next year he might get forgotten.
Chris Cody
They got enough time. Hey guys, I'm gonna say this right now. It's Wednesday, Thursday. They've got enough time to come up with the little mini montage package for him. That's not just an immemorium. This dude is one of the great actors of all time. Two time Oscar winner, like Jessica pointed out.
Stugotz
Better have him like singing we are Family to himself awkwardly as he tries to make it through a drag clip.
Mike Ryan
Can you guys get for me the sound? When you mentioned whether Gene Hackman was one of the greats yesterday on the show, we were talking about Timothee Chalamet and his speech. And I want to play this again because one of the things that we didn't get into enough. Jessica had said, I think that there was a negative reaction to this. That. And I found that part interesting because I'm used to. In sports, we want you to fake the humility, right? We want you to give us. Give us humility even if it's false, instead of arrogance, even if it's the truth. And I'm used to it in sports. We want our athletes to be humble instead of too cocky. Although we'll allow cocky if they win. But I was surprised to hear that this was meant negatively when all he's telling you is, I don't take this for granted. I'm going to work really hard because listen to how much I care about being good at this.
Jeremy
I know the classiest thing would be to downplay the effort that went into this role and how much this means to me. But the truth is, this was five and a half years of my life. I poured everything I had into playing this incomparable artist, Mr. Bob Dylan, a true American hero. And it was the honor of a lifetime playing him. It's an honor I share with Monica L. Edward, the entire cast, who in a genre doing a biopic that could be perhaps tired. Everyone gave it their all, so I'm deeply grateful to them. And lastly, I can't downplay the significance of this award because it means the most to me. And I know we're in a subjective business, but the truth is I'm really in pursuit of greatness. I know people don't usually talk like that, but I want to be one of the greats. I'm inspired by the greats. I'm inspired by the greats here tonight. I'm as inspired by Daniel Day Lewis, Marlon Brando and Viola Davis as I am by Michael Jordan and Michael Phelps. And I want to be up there. So I'm deeply grateful to that. This doesn't signify that, but it's a little more fuel, it's a little more ammo to keep going. Thank you so much.
Mike Ryan
Do any of you have a theory for me on you want your artists to care? Obviously. What is the objection, given that all of us would like to be confident? Right. What is the objection that we have as people to somebody knowing they're good? What's the problem with it?
Chris Cody
I think what it does is it reminds everyone who's not great how not great they are. I think there is a general crabs in the bucket feeling that humans have.
Mike Ryan
But what he says, though, this is a person who has all of the acting options in the world when he simply Sundays, I poured five and a half years of my life into this, like, I'm good. Like, whatever you say about what that experience was, seems like you cared about it a hell of a lot more than I've cared about most things. When. And you've poured. You've got all the choices in the world and you decide to tackle the degree of difficulty on that, right? Bob Dylan. Let me do this because this could be cheese. Like this. If I do this poorly or if I do this. A note off this is a monster failure because the degree of difficulty on playing Bob Dylan when you're a young person and Bob Dylan is sort of mortified by the entirety of what this entire Hollywood existence is.
Dan Le Batard
I think it's a common trope that people want to root for the unassuming hero.
Stugotz
Right.
Dan Le Batard
Like, it's in a lot of movies and stories. Yeah. I mean, Dune, that's the Politi's character in Doom. He's like, oh, the unassuming hero, Harry Potter, whatever, Frodo Baggins. Like, people find relatability and, like, not wanting to show other. A person that you root for, not wanting to, like, show other people that they're trying really hard and they're working really hard for something because then it can come off as cocky. And I think that he's. He's telling you right now, like, he's. He's okay with you knowing that he's working really, really hard at this and that he's actually doing it because he wants to be great. He's not someone who's like, ah, shucks. Like, I don't know how this all happened. You know, whoopsies. I guess I'm really good at this.
Chris Cody
Yeah. I think the part that I will imagine, the part that people find objection, objectionable isn't him saying, I put five and a half years into this. I think that's the part where everyone like, wow, that's cool. It's the part where he says, I know it's a subjective business and I want to win everything. I'm inspired, as inspired by these great actors as I am by these great performers in objective fields where the measure of greatness is, how many times did you win? Right. That's the part that is a departure from where we see usual actors going. But to answer your question, why are people turned off by that? Like I said, it's a massive reminder of, like, oh, this guy has a gift, and he's going after it. And me, I gotta go to my regular job and deal with my jerk boss who jumps on my neck every morning in a shadow show and doesn't get the references that I make make.
Mike Ryan
I wonder if people think that the people who have gotten to the top of things did so easily. And I say this because when I'm reading Will Smith's book, I'm still surprised at how much he cared about working to the detriment of everything else, because that tends to be where climbing people end up arriving. But on this particular person that we're talking about, we all know he's good. Why he. Why is he not allowed to know it like we all know it? It's why he's one of the few people. Do you realize how splintered this all is now? There are very few movie stars you're going to a movie to see now because of the choice that person has made. He's one of them.
Stugotz
Am I weird for thinking that he is showing humility in that clip? Because he's very deeply honored by who he beat there and then he's allowed to say what his goals and aspirations are and how this is a mile marker on that way. True greatness doesn't shy away from opportunities to be great. If Timothe wants to prove how great he is, there's only one role that he should take to prove it. It's in development right now. He needs to be young Vincent Hanna. And he too.
Dan Le Batard
I said I was with you until the last part.
Stugotz
He needs to be young. He needs to be young Vincent Hanna because everyone knows how heavy Al Pacino played that role. You can't shy away from this now.
Chris Cody
You want to see Timothy Chalamet, as you called him.
Mike Ryan
You can't do that. You can't pronounce his name.
Stugotz
That's how he pronounces it.
Dan Le Batard
Timothy.
Mike Ryan
You shouldn't do it. He can do it. You should.
Stugotz
I call him by his name.
Chris Cody
She's got a great ass.
Stugotz
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Episode: Local Hour: Good To See You, Whipie
Release Date: February 27, 2025
The episode kicks off with Dan Le Batard and his co-hosts discussing Mike Ryan's experiences attending University of Miami games. Mike shares anecdotes about his interactions with Zagaki, highlighting the awkwardness stemming from his past criticisms of the university's athletic administration.
Mike Ryan [04:05]: "It can be a little awkward. But while all of this going on, Mike is in a group of people that have heard him say some things that can be critical of the University of Miami."
Stugotz adds humor by describing Mike's distinctive entrance:
Stugotz [02:28]: "He wears a full adidas Miami Hurricanes tracksuit. He sort of like, walks in with a swagger."
The hosts delve into the current state of sketch comedy, praising breakout shows and lamenting the shortcomings of others. They highlight "I Think You Should Leave" as a standout sketch show that has garnered significant popularity and influenced comedians like Tim Robinson.
Mike Ryan [06:10]: "That's the best we've had recently in terms of a breakout sketch comedy thing."
Chris Cody discusses the challenges faced by sketch shows outside mainstream platforms, mentioning Michael Che's efforts and the struggles of shows like "Michael Che" on Max.
Chris Cody [07:33]: "Michael Che had a sketch show on Max. It was streaming only, never aired on HBO. It was really well done, really funny."
The conversation transitions to Tim Robinson, praising his ability to infuse awkwardness into his comedy effectively.
Chris Cody [08:35]: "He's incredibly funny and these sketches are really very well written. Most of them were hits."
Dan reflects on the cult following of Tim Robinson's work, emphasizing its underrated status.
Dan Le Batard [08:48]: "Detroiters, his other show with Sam Richardson, one of the most underrated comedies of the last decade."
The discussion shifts to recent NFL news from the scouting combine, with a humorous take on a story involving Jordan Schultz.
Mike Ryan [10:31]: "Jordan Schultz is the son of Howard Schultz, the founder of Starbucks."
Chris Cody finds the situation amusing, particularly the setting of the incident.
Chris Cody [11:51]: "Before I reveal it to the audience. Do you guys know what's funny about that sentence?"
A lighthearted debate ensues over the meaning of "accosting," sparked by Mike's encounter with Sal Palantonio at Starbucks.
Mike Ryan [12:20]: "I don't know what accosting means exactly. If I'm accusing you of accosting, what happened?"
Stugotz humorously suggests it's related to camaraderie gone wrong.
Stugotz [13:16]: "A costume can feel good. It can feel like camaraderie, but to others, it could feel like a costing, which actually does fit."
A significant portion of the episode is dedicated to remembering the legendary actor Gene Hackman, who recently passed away at 95. The hosts reminisce about Hackman's illustrious career, sharing personal anecdotes and memorable moments from their interactions with him.
Mike Ryan [28:15]: "Gene Hackman was one of the great actors of all time. Two-time Oscar winner."
Stugotz reflects on Hackman's versatility and comedic timing.
Stugotz [34:22]: "Bird Cage is an all-timer. I think if you pull the audience,"
Chris Cody emphasizes Hackman's enduring legacy and the likely inclusion of his tribute in upcoming memorials.
Chris Cody [39:09]: "Hey guys, I'm gonna say this right now. It's Wednesday, Thursday. They've got enough time to come up with the little mini montage package for him."
The hosts engage in a humorous yet respectful discussion about Hackman's roles and contributions to film.
Towards the end of the episode, the conversation turns to Timothee Chalamet's acceptance speech, where he expressed his dedication and ambition in pursuing greatness. The hosts debate the reception of such expressions of humility and ambition in the acting industry.
Mike Ryan [40:25]: "He's telling you right now, like, he's okay with you knowing that he's working really, really hard at this and that he's actually doing it because he wants to be great."
Dan Le Batard points out the common trope of the "unassuming hero" in storytelling, relating it to Chalamet's speech.
Dan Le Batard [42:50]: "It's in a lot of movies and stories. People find relatability and, like, not wanting to show other people that they're trying really hard."
Chris Cody suggests that Chalamet's candidness about his efforts and inspirations might be off-putting to some viewers.
Chris Cody [43:25]: "It's a massive reminder of, like, oh, this guy has a gift, and he's going after it."
Stugotz defends Chalamet's stance, arguing that true greatness does not shy away from showcasing one’s efforts and aspirations.
Stugotz [44:52]: "True greatness doesn't shy away from opportunities to be great."
In this engaging episode, Dan Le Batard and Stugotz explore a variety of topics ranging from sports interactions and the state of modern sketch comedy to heartfelt tributes to legendary actors and the nuances of humility in the acting profession. Their blend of humor, personal anecdotes, and insightful discussions provides listeners with both entertainment and thoughtful commentary.