Local Hour: Hi, Lucas

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz

Episode: Local Hour: Hi, Lucas
Date: January 29, 2026

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Overview

Broadcasting from the Elser Hotel in Downtown Miami, Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, and the cast deliver their signature mix of sports banter, pop culture takes, and local flavor. This episode highlights everything from tepid Super Bowl excitement, debates on what makes a great coach, South Florida weather "hardships," University of Miami basketball optimism, and plenty of irreverent digressions.

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Key Discussion Points & Insights

1. Super Bowl Anticipation: Tepid Takes and Halftime Hype

Timestamps: 00:00 – 04:21

• The crew struggles to get excited about the upcoming Super Bowl, rating the matchup as a “six out of ten.”
• Debate: Would a wild NBA trade deadline top the Super Bowl in excitement?
• The only universally anticipated part: Bad Bunny's halftime show.

Notable Quote:

"This is absolutely a football game around Bad Bunny’s show. We are all gathering around in 10 days to see Bad Bunny. What’s going to happen? …Wait a minute, I don’t understand what he’s saying. What’s that language? Get him out of my country."
— Mike Ryan, [01:14]

• Tony is outed as a Patriots fan, which surprises the group considering his Miami roots.
• The improbability of both Super Bowl teams (80:1 and 60:1 preseason odds) is highlighted, but the enthusiasm is still lacking.

2. Miami’s “Cold” Weather and South Florida Softness

Timestamps: 04:21 – 06:32

• Miami natives lament “cold” mornings—temperatures dip into the high 40s, generating playful ridicule, especially compared to brutal conditions elsewhere in the U.S.
• This leads to a recurring sports trope: Are cold-weather teams “tougher”?

Notable Quote:

"My car said 49 when I got in it. You don’t know these car things..."
— Zaslow, [05:32]

3. Miami Hurricanes Basketball: Year One Under Jai (Hi) Lucas

Timestamps: 06:32 – 09:55

• Miami is projected to be an ACC tournament team under new coach Jai Lucas, who inherited a total rebuild (no returning players from last year).
• Concern that Lucas might bolt for a higher-profile job if Miami continues to outperform expectations.

Notable Quote:

"Jay Lucas has done here is repair what’s happened at Miami and gotten them back to a place where they can be a tournament team and will be a tournament team. But it probably also means that they’re going to lose him."
— Dan Le Batard, [07:32]

4. “Is This Journalism?” Shams Charania in the NBA Celebrity All-Star Game

Timestamps: 11:14 – 14:04

• The crew riffs on NBA insider Shams Charania competing in the celebrity All-Star game—arguing whether this "news" counts as journalism.
• Discussion about low/high-tier celebrities playing in the event, with playful trash talk about beating Shams one-on-one.

Notable Quote:

"Shams playing in the All Star celebrity game, not journalism."
— Dan Le Batard, [13:56]

5. The Nature of Celebrity Today

Timestamps: 13:45 – 23:34

• Generational divide: Debating the legitimacy of modern digital celebrities like Kai Cenat and Drewski.
• Some hosts struggle to recognize the cultural impact of online influencers, prompting jokes about being out of touch.

Notable Quote:

"In what world are you calling Drewski and Kai Cenat…small celebrities?"
— Mike Ryan, [22:48]

6. Miami Dolphins Long Snapper Speaks Out—Locker Room Leadership

Timestamps: 24:01 – 26:48, 33:05 – 39:02

• Former Dolphins long snapper Blake Ferguson criticizes head coach Mike McDaniel as being “too much of a players coach,” arguing for the need for stronger boundaries.
• Dan and Mike debate whether NFL professionals really need disciplinarian coaching in the modern era or just mutual respect.

Notable Quote:

“It insults adult human beings who are responsible professionals to say they can’t be trusted to keep each other in line and accountable…They don’t need somebody who’s a scolding teacher to rain down fire on the back of their heads.”
— Dan Le Batard, [34:26]

7. What Makes a Great Coach: Players’ Coach vs. Disciplinarian

Timestamps: 33:05 – 44:49

• Deliberation on NFL coaching styles—are “players’ coaches” like McVay and Carroll effective compared to disciplinarians like Belichick or Coughlin?
• Discussion of how leadership affects locker room culture, with references to recent coaches at the University of Miami and differences in talent acquisition approach.

Notable Quotes:

“Ultimately, leadership is getting the most out of your guys. If you have the right locker room, maybe you don’t have to press on the gas as much.”
— Chris Cody, [36:52]
"The audience loves the teacher, loves the guy who’s gonna point at them and breathe fire at the back of their neck. And I just don’t think that—that’s not what McVay’s doing."
— Dan Le Batard, [37:16]

8. Scattered Highlights & Ongoing Locker Room Bits

Timestamps: Throughout

• The group runs inside jokes about “Battle Corps champion” status, fake “journalism,” and playful infighting.
• Multiple penalty box jokes, hockey references, and tongue-in-cheek policing of each other’s contributions.

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Notable Quotes & Moments (by Timestamp)

| Timestamp | Speaker | Quote/Moment | |-----------|---------------|--------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------------| | 01:14 | Mike Ryan | “…all gathering around…to see Bad Bunny show. What’s going to happen?…Wait a minute, I don’t understand what he’s saying. What’s that language? Get him out of my country.” | | 07:32 | Dan Le Batard | “Jay Lucas has…repaired what’s happened at Miami and gotten them back…to a place where they can be a tournament team…but it probably also means that they’re going to lose him.” | | 13:56 | Dan Le Batard | "Shams playing in the All Star celebrity game, not journalism." | | 22:48 | Mike Ryan | “In what world are you calling Drewski and Kai Cenat…small celebrities?” | | 34:26 | Dan Le Batard | "It insults adult human beings…to say they can’t be trusted to keep each other in line and accountable…" | | 36:52 | Chris Cody | "Ultimately, leadership is getting the most out of your guys. If you have the right locker room, maybe you don’t have to press on the gas as much." |

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Important Segment Timestamps

• 00:00–04:21 – Super Bowl enthusiasm debate; Bad Bunny halftime hype
• 06:32–09:55 – Miami basketball breakdown and “Jai/Hi Lucas” wordplay
• 13:45–14:04 – Shams and the NBA celebrity game, is it journalism?
• 22:48–23:41 – Digital celebrities and generational fame debate
• 24:01–26:48 – Blake Ferguson on locker room culture
• 33:05–39:02 – Deep dive into “players’ coach” vs. disciplinarian
• Intersperse – Running penalty jokes, inside bits, sports tangents

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Overall Tone

Lighthearted, irreverent, and very much in the show’s signature style. Discussions balance around-the-horn argument with comedic improvisation, local color, and inside jokes. The episode flows like a lively roundtable with friends, with moments of genuine sports analysis amid comedic jabs, generational teasing, and Miami-centric banter.

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Summary for New Listeners

For those who missed the episode, expect a blend of skepticism about major sports spectacles, debates on what makes a winning football culture, inside-out analysis of South Florida sports, and a recurring, tongue-in-cheek examination of how fame, authority, and influence operate in today’s locker rooms and online spaces. If you like your sports talk with plenty of laughs, personality clashes, and a strong sense of place, this is classic Local Hour.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

So Dan, you know, we're all sitting around even like right before you get here, and we're tossing around ideas and you know, what do we want to do for the show today? And Jeremy trying to convince people that a Giannis trade bigger than the Super Bowl.

[Jeremy]

It's not exactly what happened.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's the gist of it.

[Jeremy]

It's the gist. What I did say, and I do believe, is that if you get a three hour window next Thursday where Giannis Ja and another superstar are traded, that will be more entertaining than the Super Bowl.

[Tony]

Are these people.

[Jeremy]

What?

[Tony]

What's wrong with these people? What's wrong with these people? And I hear a lot of super bowl slander in the office people next to me. I don't like it.

[Jeremy]

Okay, the only.

[Tony]

The only is important.

[Mike Ryan]

Name.

[Tony]

National holiday. Mike Ryan.

[Mike Ryan]

Name name.

[Tony]

Mike Ryan.

[Chris Cody]

Not into it this year.

[Tony]

I'm with Mike because one team isn't in there.

[Zaslow]

Tony make it out of 10. 0 to 10 Rate every Super bowl matchup. Where's this one ever?

[Jeremy]

Yeah, yeah, go through it.

[Mike Ryan]

Don't do that to him.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just saying this is like a six.

[Tony]

But how is it a six?

[Chris Cody]

It is a six, guys.

[Tony]

You guys are out of your mind.

[Chris Cody]

Quickly. I can do it inside of five seconds.

[Tony]

I'm gonna.

[Chris Cody]

It's a Super Bow. Okay, so they both wear navy. It's gonna be an assault on the eyes. And I'm not compelled by the matchup or stories.

[Tony]

Okay, so Sam Darnold.

[Jeremy]

The only thing saving this, Tony, and this is where you'll agree with me, the only thing making this competitive. Bad Bunny's halftime show.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh, this is absolutely a football game around Bad Bunny's show. Like we are all gathering around in. In 10 days to see Bad Bunny show. What's going to happen? This is going to be fascinating. A number of different ways to watch the Bad Bunny show. But how many people are gonna be introduced to the idea of, oh, why I can't stop moving. I don't understand how it is that this makes me move. Wait a minute, I'm moving. I am now dancing. And then juxtaposing that with. Wait a minute, I don't understand what he's saying. What's that language? Get him out of my country.

[Dan Le Batard]

And why is he wearing a dress?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, man, that's gonna be awesome. It's just gonna be the scene in Beetlejuice.

[Mike Ryan]

So Tony, I wanna get into though what it is that you're saying. Cuz I learned I did not know this before today. Louis. Bet this is something I learned today about Tony. Lewis says. Yeah, Tony's a Patriots fan. Tony. I didn't know that.

[Chris Cody]

Wait, what?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Thank you. Okay. So I'm not the only one.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's so Miami.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, this. So Tony is a Patriots fan, and I'd like him to explain himself, but we really have gotten hardened when Mike Ryan doesn't like the super bowl. And it is the most improbable super bowl there's ever been between a team that was 80 to 1 odds before the season and a team that was 60 to 1 odds before the season, and that never happened.

[Tony]

The narrative of Sam Darnold getting to the super bowl after having 17 teams in his wake, huh?

[Guest]

No.

[Chris Cody]

There's occasional good stories. Yeah, you can.

[Tony]

You told me there was no storylines you left.

[Chris Cody]

No, I'm saying. No, I said I'm not compelled by the.

[Tony]

The.

[Chris Cody]

You're not compelled by.

[Tony]

By Sam Darnold to me.

[Chris Cody]

The Super Bowl.

[Tony]

Mike Grable getting the Super Bowl. He said he would cut off his dick.

[Guest]

All right. Okay.

[Tony]

Dude.

[Dan Le Batard]

Like, you know about cutting off that dick.

[Jeremy]

If he was going to do that, I'd watch.

[Chris Cody]

Whoa.

[Mike Ryan]

That would make it more entertaining.

[Zaslow]

It's too graphic to actually show it. Yeah, I would watch, but, like, seeing his reaction. Y. Yeah, yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm like.

[Jeremy]

To waste up.

[Dan Le Batard]

I want to see him react. Disgusting.

[Jeremy]

No, that's more entertaining. That Mike Rabel cutting off his dick. Then the honest trade, then the Super Bowl.

[Guest]

Oh, my God.

[Dan Le Batard]

Should take that back. You should consider taking that back.

[Guest]

This is the Dan Levator show with the ST Podcast.

[Mike Ryan]

They already played the super bowl as part of the problem. Seattle and the Rams played the super bowl already, and so I understand how it is around here. There might be a lack of enthusiasm for Patriots, Seahawks, because beyond that, we'd all prefer to see. Except for Zaslow, Rams, Bills, something that's gonna have offense in it that we know is gonna have offense in it. And these two offenses have been good. But it'd be real easy to forget that the Patriots are good at offense given the last two defenses that they've played against.

[Chris Cody]

I've been slightly misrepresented just because of the nature of sports debate. Look, I like sports. I'm not here to tell you the Super Bowl. Get up for it. I'm going to be watching it. I'm excited to watch.

[Dan Le Batard]

You're going to watch Super Bowl?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, I'm going to watch. I hope I'm into the Super Bowl. It's just a sliding scale, you know?

[Tony]

Like, I'm not.

[Chris Cody]

I'M not that jazzed up for it. It's. It's all right. I'll get there. I guess you have.

[Mike Ryan]

You have many, many days. We're not going to the super bowl this year. We will rummage at the big guest bin on Radio Row next week from afar. But I want to get to a sentence I didn't think I'd be uttering today. I want to listen to what it is the Dolphins long snapper had. Because the Dolphin talk that we had yesterday with Nick Wright caught me off guard. It legitimately caught me off guard when he said simply that cold weather teams are tougher and Miami teams aren't tough because you don't have to deal with cold weather. And I'm like, man, that seems kind of ridiculous what he's saying there. But then Zaz comes in today. Seriously, no sense of irony. He's not joking in any way. And he just looks at me and he says, it's too cold out there.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's too cold, Dan. Like, I didn't even want to get out of my bed. Bed. All right, it's as low.

[Mike Ryan]

It's 4 degrees in New York. Can you guys give me where it is cold?

[Dan Le Batard]

Give me where competition.

[Mike Ryan]

Give me where it's coldest in the United States right now. Because I've got my friends from New York calling me, saying, like, I can't go. I cannot go outside. It's way too cold. And Zaslow's complaining. It was cold this morning for us, but it is still the 50s, right? It was. It didn't get under 50.

[Zaslow]

My car said 49 when I got in it. You don't know these car things. You don't really.

[Dan Le Batard]

My wife told me to be in the 30s here this week.

[Chris Cody]

Will be in the Sun. It was 32 in Orlando, and it was like 39 degrees in Juneau, Alaska.

[Jeremy]

It is negative 28 degrees in Forest Center, Minnesota.

[Mike Ryan]

This is, I believe, the warmest place in the United States right now. I don't know what Arizona and California are doing, but it's gotta be warmer right here. I saw some people, college football people, making fun of the fact that Norvell's hot seat is warming all of Florida, keeping off what is an arctic cold front. What's second place right now in terms of warmer than us?

[Jeremy]

Well, it's us because 78 degrees in Malibu.

[Tony]

Really nice.

[Chris Cody]

That seems like an awesome 6am too, micro climate.

[Mike Ryan]

The fires. The fires.

[Tony]

Yeah, that's the thing. They still haven't rebuilt those, by the way.

[Chris Cody]

It'll be like 70 in the middle of the of the winter and then like 52 one summer night. California's crazy like that.

[Mike Ryan]

The thing that I wanted to get to about the long snapper though, we'll have to wait because the University of Miami basketball team is a tournament team. They've lost only four times this year. Two of the losses are totally understandable. Right? You lose to byu. I don't know if you guys saw the Arizona Bucham be called the Arizona Arizonans unbeaten. They're great. They went to BYU the other day and they lost by three points. So Miami losing to byu, there's no shame in that. Miami losing to Florida, there's no shame in that. The loss at home to Florida State was kind of inexplicable because Florida State's not any good. Surprising. And then another conference loss to Clemson. But that's a good basketball team. That is a tournament basketball team and Laraniga wasn't. And Miami weren't able to capitalize the way you would like to off of a final four appearance where you build off it. But what Jay Lucas has done here is repair what's happened at Miami and gotten them back to a place where they can be a tournament team and will be a tournament team. But it probably also means that they're going to lose him.

[Chris Cody]

I'm worried about that especially with Kentucky's head coach being under a microscope and the results not being there.

[Dan Le Batard]

I get it that it's Kentucky. You think they're gonna get rid of Mark Pope in his second year.

[Chris Cody]

I mean look what Jay Lucas has done in one year. There isn't a single holdover from the previous season. This is an entire rebuild for Jay Lucas and he has Dan talking tournament. I want to believe right now they are projected in that 10 seed range.

[Dan Le Batard]

They're 6 and 2 in the ACC.

[Chris Cody]

The FSU, the FSU loss was so bad. It is such a bad loss that it made me kind of reconsider this team. And if you've seen their game since then, not that they've been figured out. I mean there's not like we are what we are. We're tough defensively. We're going to struggle from with outside shooting. We're just going to try to out tough you and I don't, I don't know how sustainable that is. But in terms of year one, I think Jay Lucas has proven that if there is a big time marquee job available he should be a top any search which worries me because I think that dude is a dog about talent acquisition. He's basically Mario on the trail and he's a really smart defensive coach. I really hope that we can keep him.

[Zaslow]

I think what he's proven is that J spelled with an I at the end instead of a Y is much cooler. This Jay Lucas with a Y doesn't really do anything for me. You look at this guy's name, Jai, I'm like, this guy. This guy's going to the tournament.

[Chris Cody]

Chris Cody is a two time Battle Corps champion. We, we are confused by the spelling J LA because that's usually hi, Lucas. Lucas.

[Guest]

Hi, Lucas.

[Mike Ryan]

I think we should start calling him hi, Lucas. I think in honor of GM of the Year. Mike Ryan's the GM of the Year.

[Chris Cody]

Coco Co. You are looking at the GM of the year, but that's because you're looking at both of us at the exact same time.

[Zaslow]

Don't overlook me here.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes, the Cyclones. I was looking at you because he's been saying you're looking at the GM of the year. He was never pointing at you collectively.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Mike Ryan]

When you, when you have said you're looking at the GM of the Year out of your mouth.

[Chris Cody]

Chris Cody was spraying champagne over there. I would have said that the same way. I'm heavily inspired by that.

[Zaslow]

So you're doing the thing. You're not gonna do it.

[Chris Cody]

1990S WCW.

[Zaslow]

You're not gonna do it.

[Chris Cody]

You're not gonna divide us. There is no schism in this locker room.

[Mike Ryan]

That's fine. I won't talk to them about this. When Mike Ryan was saying, as he has been saying for several weeks now, you're looking at the GM of the year, Was Chris Cody ever in the room? Was he ever pointing to him? Was he ever asking us to look at Chris Cody when he was saying, and has been saying the phrase, you're looking at the GM of the year.

[Dan Le Batard]

I'm just remembering a post tournament video interview and it was just Mike Ryan on the microphone holding a trophy.

[Chris Cody]

I was too busy. There was plenty of Chris Cody cracks.

[Mike Ryan]

What are you guys trying to do?

[Chris Cody]

They're not doing it. We have a championship culture. It's not gonna work. It's not gonna work.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm just interested in accuracy and I'm asking Zaz who's the biggest journalist among us these days?

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't ever question my integrity.

[Mike Ryan]

Look, in fact, this is a good time.

[Zaslow]

Like Riley and Ellisberg.

[Mike Ryan]

This is a good time to do an is this journalism segment with our foremost journalist.

[Chris Cody]

Which one are you, Chris?

[Mike Ryan]

Jonathan Zaslow. Jonathan Zaslow is a Judge. He is somebody who's an expert in the race wars Race war expert. He is a journalist. He's got many. He's a radio host, obviously, South Florida legend. Whoa.

[Dan Le Batard]

Don't ever say that again.

[Tony]

He's also kind of a sucker.

[Mike Ryan]

You know that he is.

[Dan Le Batard]

Everybody knows I'm never going to be a cuckold.

[Tony]

Big head.

[Mike Ryan]

If there's one thing they know about Zaz is that that's not for him. Can we get to this Is this journalism segment? Does it have any imaging? Is it just a question we're asking? And then Zaslow rules. What is the nature of this segment.

[Chris Cody]

And is this journalism?

[Dan Le Batard]

All right, Dan, let me present to you here the latest edition of is this journalism? You may have saw awful announcing. They linked to the story Awful announce dot com. I like them. Read them all the time. And the headline here, Shams Charania, ESPN NBA Insider. Shamsrania to play in NBA all star celebrity game in a couple of weeks is the all star weekend. They have all kinds of activities. One of them is the celebrity all star game. You all have like musicians, you know, media personality, talker, celebrity. Yeah, like. Like kind of low end celebrity.

[Tony]

I don't know about low end. Yeah, there's some good celebrities played one time.

[Chris Cody]

Where were you when Win Butler set the world on fire?

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't even know who that is, but Sean Sharon.

[Zaslow]

Brad Williams has played.

[Mike Ryan]

There are.

[Dan Le Batard]

Has he really?

[Mike Ryan]

You got to post him up. The thing that is happening with this celebrity game, though, when you guys say that there's no way that I love Brad Williams.

[Tony]

I love him.

[Mike Ryan]

There's no way he played. Do not make me break Eric.

[Guest]

Hell in the paint.

[Mike Ryan]

You guys got it. You got to switch straight face there. You cannot.

[Chris Cody]

You can set a screen, man.

[Mike Ryan]

What? The accusation being made by all of you that the celebrities are low end. It's hard to. Did the jump ball.

[Tony]

We're playing a second. Oh, bad shot too.

[Chris Cody]

No, let's just make sure that tip is sent to video. That was great. Yeah, that was really great.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. Was that AI? It is correct.

[Guest]

Not on the opposite.

[Mike Ryan]

No, it is correct. Look, this is what I would say both of what Zaz is saying as it regards the cold. Okay? It is correct to say that it is colder than it's acceptable to us. But it's also wrong to say that at present. Right. So you're right. But it's wrong. You're right to say that there are some low celebrity quality of Q rating in that game. Some. But you're wrong because it's hard to find enough celebrities to fill out two total basketball teams to make that game as high end as you'd like it to be. But if you guys would look this up for me, I'd appreciate it. Jeremy, just the last five celebrity games, give me what is the highest rated celebrity based on fame and the lowest rated so that I can get an accurate appraisal here. But please make a ruling first on whether or not this is journalism.

[Dan Le Batard]

Shams Charania is going to play in the NBA All Star Celebrity game. Is this.

[Chris Cody]

German?

[Dan Le Batard]

No, it is not journalism. Shams playing in the All Star celebrity game, not journalism.

[Tony]

By the way, what are his credentials to play in that game? Just because he covers the sport.

[Chris Cody]

Just because he's.

[Tony]

Oh, sure, he's probably the biggest celebrity if you want to talk about, like, followings and people that know him. But where's his hoop credentials? Where are they?

[Dan Le Batard]

What are you getting at?

[Tony]

He covers the sport. Okay, let me see his jumper.

[Dan Le Batard]

What are you.

[Tony]

I want to see his triple threat.

[Mike Ryan]

I'll tell you what he's getting at. Let's go and put a camera directly on. Go ahead, Tony. Go ahead and tell Shams what you actually want to tell him.

[Tony]

Here, Shams, big fan of yours. Okay. I like what you do. I like what you're. I like. I like what you've become. Me and you on a court right now.

[Chris Cody]

No, I beat.

[Tony]

I beat that ass one on one.

[Mike Ryan]

No, easily, easily.

[Tony]

I don't know how tall you are. It doesn't matter how tall you are. If you get one of these in the post, you're flying back.

[Mike Ryan]

Feel like Brad Williams in the pose.

[Tony]

Me and you. Where's, Where's. Where is it at this year? San Francisco?

[Chris Cody]

No, no, that's where the super bowl is, okay?

[Tony]

Wherever it is, it doesn't matter. La. Okay, Inglewood.

[Chris Cody]

That's right up to no good, Right?

[Tony]

Thank you. At the wall. Meet me at the Intuit Dome. I think it's called into a Dome. Me and you, one on one.

[Chris Cody]

You'll get into it.

[Tony]

I'll wait for you here.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait a minute. So you go to the Intuit Dome, you'll wait for him?

[Tony]

I'll wait for him here. He's going to be there. I'm going to wait for him here.

[Mike Ryan]

Until far away from him as you can be practically while remaining in the geographical United States.

[Tony]

Exactly. But then I'll go over there.

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Chris Cody]

Stugats.

[Mike Ryan]

A thousand people come out and we see the shipping container and they're on a stage and they're like rock stars. You and me both had tears in our eyes. We're like mom and dad of sentiment and it's hard to get you to sentiment, man. That was a very emotional moment for.

[Chris Cody]

Us to see those guys.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm telling you guys, you were on stage. Dan and I were both crying.

[Chris Cody]

Are you guys aware of this?

[Mike Ryan]

Crying like crocodile tears? We believe crocodile tears are fake. I thought they meant big.

[Guest]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stool Gods.

[Mike Ryan]

So Mike, do you think he should have another crack at calling out shams better than that?

[Chris Cody]

No, I didn't enjoy that one bit. And we talked about the university in Miami and we closed that loop and started talking about journalism. We didn't talk about the headliner when it comes to the University Miami basketball team. I'm talking of course about Salientum, the Turkish delight.

[Mike Ryan]

Every time I've seen him, I notice his bald spot. I'm like, how old is that person? How old is that person? Playing for the University of Miami, Salio.

[Chris Cody]

Tuntaj is definitely 38 years old. There's no question about it in my mind. But he is regularly getting playing time. 6 foot 10. Big Jay Lucas has these Europeans playing some defense. Sorry, high Lucas, but every time Sally Altuntaj steps onto that hardwood, I also get hardwood.

[Tony]

I'll beat him one on one too.

[Mike Ryan]

No, you will not. He is fun to watch. He is fun to look at. Mike, is anyone questioning? Because when you say 10 seed for the University of Miami 17 and 4 ACC team, I think Renault, when Henderson and Donaldson, like, that's enough to me that Feels like enough to be something that's in the tournament.

[Chris Cody]

Henderson's a good player, huh? Yeah, he's a really good player.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's in 10 games in the ACC. You're in the tournament.

[Chris Cody]

I don't know. The ACC is not looked at the way it once was. I'm not quite there yet. I'm not quite there yet. They look so bad against fsu. That is such a bad loss.

[Mike Ryan]

I know it's college basketball, but they're 17 and 4. Their other three losses are. Those are credible losses. Like that's not just be Cal.

[Chris Cody]

Be Cal on Saturday. I'll be.

[Mike Ryan]

They beat Stanford. Stanford's not making the tournament. Beat Stanford at home. And I understand point guard, though that FSU game, it's inexplicable that they lost. It honestly is beyond. College kids are going to be inconsistent because they're college kids. I'm not even talking about athletes, I'm just talking about college kids. But that seems like it's obviously a tournament team to me. I don't know why it is. You would be hesitant about that. What are they saying, Jeremy, in the people who do these rankings and seedings in season? Because we're going to have to start getting ready for this stuff and I do plan on and want to have a combined Selection Sunday Oscar show that we combined with Adnan Vir and David Sampson and just make a mess of that that Sunday night. What are they saying? What are the experts saying?

[Jeremy]

Well, Joe Lenardi is the expert and he has the University of Miami as a 10 seed right now as one of the last four teams to miss the play in games. So you know how there's those.

[Dan Le Batard]

Wait, they do last four in and also last.

[Mike Ryan]

He's breaking the play in. He's breaking it down.

[Jeremy]

He's giving you as many specific.

[Dan Le Batard]

Just give me the team.

[Jeremy]

Also, Kaisen not played in the celebrity game, Dan, so you might want to eat your words.

[Mike Ryan]

No, it's a. What are my words? I've said they have legitimate celebrities. The Chris Brickley.

[Zaslow]

I think Zaz is basketball trainer.

[Tony]

Chris Brickley's famous.

[Chris Cody]

Come on.

[Jeremy]

That's the least famous of the group.

[Dan Le Batard]

Kaiat's a low end celebrity.

[Mike Ryan]

What about Drewski? He also plays.

[Dan Le Batard]

He's also low end.

[Guest]

You're low end.

[Mike Ryan]

You are low end.

[Chris Cody]

You should not be saying that.

[Mike Ryan]

You know what? I hate to hit you with this.

[Tony]

No, you don't hate that.

[Chris Cody]

Minor penalty, two minutes, accidental racism.

[Mike Ryan]

I do hate to hit him with that one, but that's what just happened there Two Americas.

[Chris Cody]

You don't know about that.

[Mike Ryan]

You're deflecting two Americas. What do you mean? I took my penalties, I served my time.

[Tony]

You like Drewy Dan?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, I do like Drew.

[Jeremy]

You would call him Tyson at.

[Zaslow]

Major penalty.

[Mike Ryan]

Five minutes to grooming comedy.

[Chris Cody]

Five on three. Those are the toughest to stop.

[Mike Ryan]

That what Zaz just did there to Kai, like I can't believe he just did that. Where he's that far out of touch. I understand generationally, I understand even culturally you. You can't look at what's happening among young people influencers and ignore the followings like how, how. In what world are you calling Drew Ski and Kai Sinette? What do you. In what world are you calling them small celebrities?

[Tony]

By the way, Dan, kai Sinat's Mafia Thon 3 was an all time record breaking 30 day twitch sub subathon where he became the first Streamer to surpass 1 million active subscribers and had 742,000 active subscriptions by September 23rd. It started two days earlier.

[Mike Ryan]

I am in my 50s, trying to keep up with the young people. I hope people do not hear my inner monologue.

[Chris Cody]

Get really worked up about Drew Ski.

[Mike Ryan]

I just got enraged on behalf of Drew Ski.

[Chris Cody]

How dare you.

[Zaslow]

You played it well, Dan. No one knew.

[Mike Ryan]

No one noticed that I'm 57. You're cool. No push through. No, no, I am.

[Chris Cody]

No one's seizing on this.

[Mike Ryan]

You're cool together. Wait, I character you two. Speaking as my inner monologue. Whispering as my inner monologue.

[Chris Cody]

Say something about I show speed.

[Mike Ryan]

The long snapper for the Miami Dolphins. His name is Blake Ferguson, former long snapper. Thank you.

[Chris Cody]

I go sweet spot back on track. Everybody's none the wiser.

[Mike Ryan]

You think long snapper is my sweet spot? Former dolphin.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, dolphin. Oh, share that. Share that Larry Izzo story.

[Mike Ryan]

So Blake Ferguson is was the long snapper for the Miami Dolphins and he is on a podcast and the dive bar pod.

[Chris Cody]

Jed Weaver was my neighbor once say that.

[Mike Ryan]

And here it is. What Blake Ferguson had to say again as the former long snapper for the Miami Dolphins. But do you think it was. It's fair to say that McDaniel was too much of a player's coach and.

[Zaslow]

Too lenient at first.

[Mike Ryan]

And then when hit the fan, it.

[Dan Le Batard]

Was like, oh, let me try to.

[Mike Ryan]

Wh it back in. It's too late.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, it's too late. The le the leash had gotten too long. His intentions were right, but the execution got the best of him and the team. When you allow players to have a Voice in the locker room and control A lot of how every single day runs. You leave yourself vulnerable to that being that getting out of control quickly. I think the best coaches are able to. To manage player relationships and manage keeping their players happy while still having a healthy level of respect for the fact that at the end of the day, it's his call. And I think that sometimes that line got blurred.

[Mike Ryan]

I do not mean this as insult. I actually mean it as compliment. It's gonna sound like an insult, and it's weird. No, because this. This one. You guys will understand what I'm saying as soon as I get through it. Blake Ferguson, and I do not mean to rip him on. This is somebody. The entirety of his career because he did his job so well. I never noticed or thought about as a Miami Dolphin. And it's only because he did his job successfully that I can say that. And so this is a person giving voice to something who's in the locker room. And you can dismiss him as a long snapper if you want to, but he was exceedingly competent in his job because none of us ever notice in his entire time long snapping that he messed anything up.

[Zaslow]

The Fergusons are the first family of long snapping.

[Mike Ryan]

By the way, does a brother.

[Dan Le Batard]

Does a long snapper ever actually get.

[Zaslow]

Coached by the special teams guy?

[Dan Le Batard]

Does he. He doesn't have to block anybody.

[Zaslow]

Hey, lower.

[Jeremy]

Hey.

[Zaslow]

No, little higher.

[Jeremy]

Hey, good job.

[Mike Ryan]

He does have to block. He does have to do other.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, actually, you're not allowed to touch him. He doesn't have to block.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but he's got to go down. He's got to go down. He's either got to go down the field or be. Yeah, he's got. He's got to play football after snapping the ball.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Chris Cody]

Okay.

[Zaslow]

How many career tackles has he got?

[Chris Cody]

I thought I was pretty good there.

[Mike Ryan]

The long snow. Wait a minute. That voice changed. What's happening?

[Chris Cody]

I gotta find your inner monologue.

[Mike Ryan]

Well, it's gotta be a little insecure.

[Zaslow]

It almost turned into man 101.

[Mike Ryan]

It's too masculine.

[Chris Cody]

We're doing okay.

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah. It's gotta feel a little. A little feeble is what it has to feel like. Keep working on it. We'll get it before the end.

[Tony]

Ferguson had one assisted tackle last year.

[Zaslow]

So a lot of needed more coaching.

[Tony]

One assisted.

[Mike Ryan]

That job is a really excellent one to do for a living. If you don't mess up. Like I.

[Zaslow]

If I had a son, I'd be like, I'm going to make you a long snapper.

[Mike Ryan]

We can do this. Do you realize where. Where it comes to human error, honest to God. Like this. It's something that's perpetually unnoticed in the NFL and next to. Nobody talks about it. But it's the weirdest. Do you know how exceedingly odd it is that none of these game ending field goals ever have a bad snap that doesn't get handled by the holder?

[Zaslow]

Like it's gonna happen in the super.

[Mike Ryan]

Bowl now, but it's just an insanity that it's never a bad snap.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do they use different balls, kicking balls?

[Mike Ryan]

Yeah, they use kicking balls, but it's not the ball that the reason you would think. Right. There have been times. What was the name of the last time it happened was the New York Giants. And I remember the name because it's so. Or I remember. I'm close to remembering the name. It's junket or something like that. It was so many years ago. A Giants long snapper ended up costing a playoff game, I think against the Niners because he. Because nobody knew his name before that. And then we're all stunned because none of us on an extra point or field goal are ever expecting a bad snap. But your entire worldview is upside down as the long snapper. Like it's not an easy job. Like it must be easy to perfect because they've all perfected it. It never gets messed up. Or the holder is often so that he corrects the bad snap. But just off the top of your head, give me all the famous miss snaps. You remember Romo.

[Chris Cody]

Dan Nailed it. Trey Junkin.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, it's a good point you're making because you see at least once a game, probably the center does a bad snap to the quarterback. Probably one time a game where I.

[Zaslow]

Have to like reach up for it.

[Chris Cody]

It's a hard thing to be consistent about.

[Dan Le Batard]

And it never happens with the long.

[Zaslow]

Well, that snapper's doing, you know, what, 45 a game and this.

[Mike Ryan]

No, but that's not why that's happening. The reason that some of the shotgun SL snaps happen is because the center's also worried about Holy, this pressure. He's got to pull. Well, no, he's got not. Not just pull. He's got. He's got to make sure there's no pool.

[Zaslow]

Centers sometimes pull.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, centers are like the Brewer Dolphin center.

[Dan Le Batard]

That guy pulls, he pulls.

[Chris Cody]

Centers are also identifying protection. Protection.

[Dan Le Batard]

You got to point the mic. That's the mic. I don't know what that means.

[Zaslow]

I never know. That means it's the guy that's most.

[Chris Cody]

Likely to like Will. Sam.

[Mike Ryan]

What does that mean, though?

[Zaslow]

Like, I know they.

[Tony]

He's the middle linebacker.

[Mike Ryan]

Higher defense, strong side.

[Tony]

Wait.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's all. If it's always the middle linebacker, why does the center have to point it out?

[Mike Ryan]

Because.

[Tony]

Because they're always disguised.

[Mike Ryan]

He's not always right way.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Zaslow]

Being dismissive and you don't know. Exactly.

[Dan Le Batard]

So the middle linebacker moves off to the side. He's going to point. He's over there. Mike there.

[Tony]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Tony]

It's for the pointy.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, Jazz. I'm sorry to do this.

[Chris Cody]

No, him and Chris.

[Tony]

Chris has been bad today.

[Guest]

Chris has been.

[Mike Ryan]

Wow.

[Chris Cody]

Penalty.

[Mike Ryan]

Two minutes for a contribution. Whatever.

[Zaslow]

That's right.

[Mike Ryan]

Wait, I was off. I was giving that penalty to Zaz, and now Chris is always leaving. Why? Why? Wait a minute. Why is Chris being.

[Tony]

Cuz. He was doing the same thing Zaz was. Didn't understand that you p. Point the mic out, but sometimes to the far right.

[Mike Ryan]

Sometimes he's like, watch the mic. Watch the mic. Like, he's going to.

[Tony]

Different alignment.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, so hold on. I'm sorry. Minor penalty.

[Zaslow]

Two minutes.

[Guest]

Peste.

[Chris Cody]

Tremendous.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm going to look it up. And for those of you who do not know. Woof. Smelly. Tremendous. Shit eater is what it is that Chris Cody just got penalized with. Thank you, Roy, for sitting in the seat.

[Chris Cody]

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[Mike Ryan]

Don Leslow how you love that cat phrase Bad news for opposing teams in the triple air stall. Smiles till LeBron's eye. Clutch again. Clutch again. This is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. What about the meat of what it is that Blake Ferguson said? What got what are your thoughts? Like this is the reputation and I don't know guys. Like, I really don't. Do you think that Sean McVeigh is a players coach? Do you think Pete Carroll is a players coach? Like, do you like how are you guys doing this? A lot goes into the leadership of people. Many of these people are learning on the job how to lead. Mike McDaniel has never been a head coach. You get the reps that Andy Reid gets and you go from being what Andy Reid was, bad clock management to being what Andy Reid is. We were talking about Tom Brady here. Over the last couple of weeks, Tom Brady has gotten better. Why? Because with reps you get better.

[Jeremy]

Better.

[Mike Ryan]

You have to have the opportunity to get better at these things. But I would want to work for somebody who's a player's coach and it insults to me adult human beings who are responsible professionals to say they can't be trusted to keep each other in line and Accountable because they're professional, good at football, and they don't need somebody who's a scolding teacher to rain down fire on the back of their heads and yell at them like Tom Coughlin did when the kicker misses a field goal. And that's not actually teaching or leading. It's just Tom Coughlin being mad and venting.

[Chris Cody]

Dan, it's also Tom Coughlin, two time super bowl champion.

[Mike Ryan]

Correct.

[Chris Cody]

I do think that there is something to be said for culture and sometimes disciplinarians do break through and sometimes locker rooms are too loose.

[Mike Ryan]

So do you think Sirianni is a disciplinarian? That you guys think that? Do you guys think that Andy Reid's a disciplinarian?

[Chris Cody]

I mean, look, if Nick Sirianni was a true disciplinarian, would AJ Brown be doing this weekly?

[Tony]

Would it be reading a book on the sidelines?

[Mike Ryan]

I just don't know. Look, Blake Ferguson has more information than we do, and it is really easy to say from the outside players, coach didn't have any control of his men, but to me it is deeply insulting. Right. Given what all of these men have done to get to where it is that they've gotten. And I don't mean this as a slight against the long snapper either, but it's easier to be a long snapper than it is to do some of the other things required to be great at football. It insults them to me to say they need a babysitter, that they can't learn how it is to control themselves. There's the reason for a manager, to me, the manager of people in sports, the reason is because all the guys want to play and everybody wants to be out there and somebody has to make those decisions that are hard decisions to make, that, look, you merit this or you don't, and this is how I'm assessing you. That's the job. Now, there are other parts of the job and people management is one of them. And one of the things you have to do is when the guy who's not playing or not getting the ball enough, you got to get A.J. brown. Right, but who were the coaches in the NFL? I know Belichick's the model, but we've seen there Tom Brady kind of had that one figured out by the end and didn't actually need a whole lot from Belichick in terms of breathing on his neck.

[Chris Cody]

Right. But we can't just discount the winningest champion head coach of all time and the Patriot way. You could hold up Pete Carroll, who's won A championship in college and in the pros, who's highly regarded as a player's coach. And you could hold up Bill Belichick on the opposite side of the spectrum. Ultimately, leadership is getting the most out of your guys in your locker room. If you have the right locker room. Maybe you don't have to press on the gas as much.

[Mike Ryan]

I'm not discounting it.

[Chris Cody]

I think there's a single way to do it.

[Mike Ryan]

But Mike, I'm not discounting Bill Belichick's way of doing it, but the hiring trend right now in sports respects very often that these guys are adults and need an ally. They, like you've heard me say before that in some instances, the CEO or the coach or the leader also has to act as administrative assistant. Especially in the minor, in the modern age where you've got players, you've got a generational gulf. But I get it. In college they are often kids, so you might need a guy who's a little bit firmer with stuff because there's still kids and they're still trying to get away with things. And college kids are rule breakers, but the adults are professionals who have climbed over a whole bunch of other professionals who are fighting for money to get where they are. And they care deeply about being good at their jobs, right? So what they need is someone to help them as much as teach them. But the audience loves the teacher, loves the guy who's gonna point at them and breathe fire at the back of their neck. And I just don't think that that, like, that's not what McVeigh is doing. That's not what. Not like it's what Signetti is doing. But it's. But it's not what. It's not what McDonald is doing.

[Tony]

Dan, to your point, though, like you said, respect. And I think respect is a two way street between players and coaches, right? You can't have the substitute teacher that lets you do whatever you want. And then when it's time to buck up, and he's like, hey, you got to respect me. And they're like, ah, buddy, like, we know what your deal is, right? You have all these new coaches that can kind of do both things, right? They can be the teacher, they can be the guy that puts you under his wing and says, hey, look, this is how we do it the right way. And also be a player's coach. You talk about Ben Johnson, Campbell over in Detroit. There's guys of that mold that can kind of be in both worlds, yet command respect from men in that locker Room being like, nah, I'm the big dog here. And you're going to see.

[Mike Ryan]

But generally. And this one happens all the time, right? Dan Campbell's a great example, Tony, because this one happens all the time. That guy better have played football. Like, if you're going to be Dan Campbell and walk.

[Chris Cody]

You mean like at a high level?

[Mike Ryan]

No, just. Yes. Play football. Not at YALE the way McDonald did that. You look at him and you know.

[Chris Cody]

He played at a high level.

[Mike Ryan]

You know that he played foot. No, no. That's that guy. I'm saying no. But Belichick wasn't. I'm also a player's coach. No, Belichick was just. I'm talking. I'm talking about what he's talking about where Dan Campbell can live between both worlds. I'll breathe fire in your face. And also, I did it. I also was tougher than everybody else when I was playing, and everyone knows that about me. Like, Mike McDonald doesn't have that. But none of the whiz kid nerds don't. Do not. They're all that. None of them do. Like, we were making fun of the Dolphins, they're all small. The Dolphin leadership is now all physically smaller than Steven Ross. That everybody who leads the Dolphins is now 5, 9.

[Chris Cody]

I think if you're going to be a players coach, you need to earn people's respect. You can, like, build relationships, but you also have to show that you have your stuff together.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, that's what it is. Like, any time I've ever asked former players or even current players about that kind of stuff, it's always all they care about is, can you help me be prepared on Sunday.

[Chris Cody]

Exactly.

[Dan Le Batard]

Do you know what you're talking about? All I care about.

[Chris Cody]

Dick Vermeil was out there crying. Was widely considered like such a player's coach, but he's also a Super bowl champion and made it to another super bowl with the Philadelphia Eagles. He commanded respect, and they never had to wonder, is this guy just a joke?

[Guest]

I don't know.

[Chris Cody]

He's got his stuff buttoned up.

[Jeremy]

Yeah. I don't know where we put Josh McDaniels, like, on this tree in terms of coaching. Obviously he was someone that was under belly check and saw everything there. But as an offensive coordinator, like, the way that he handled Drake May. There's a clip from NFL Films that was circulating around, and Drake May, in the middle of the fourth quarter, vulnerably goes, it's hard. Good God. Like, he's just really, like, frustrated offensively saying that to Josh McDaniels. And he says, look at me. It's going to be hard, but look, this will be the most rewarding six and a half minutes of our lives if we can get it done. And he just looks him in the eye, man to man on a knee. Knee like that's just having a moment with a vulnerable player. And Drake may then later in that game has the confidence to call his own number and make the play that gets them to the Super Bowl.

[Mike Ryan]

The vulnerability is interesting. I don't know if you guys saw what Tom Brady was saying about his improvement. He said that Kevin Burkhart working with him has been. Feels like the greatest and most helpful teammate that he's ever had. And it got me to think, oh, of course Tom felt Frey. When's the last time Tom felt frail and needed just somebody to hold his hand because he was lacking confidence in a public setting where everybody was ripping him for not being any good? And he's got somebody next to him just tapping him on the knee and helping him and being kind. But the thing you guys have heard me say a lot, right? Because everybody loves the Bill Parcells type and you've heard me say that everyone listening to this wants the player to have a boss they themselves would not want to have, right? The guy who's just lording over you. We. We don't run this place this way. And it's probably an indictment of how this place is run that I'm not sitting there breathing fire on everybody's neck, chasing them around on. Hey, make sure you get your deadlines in. Make sure, like, there's not. There are barely any rules around here. But it's also why people enjoy working here. But it probably doesn't lead to maximum efficiency on however it is you arrive at success. I don't know.

[Chris Cody]

I. In recent years, just being close to the University of Miami, I saw how Manny Diaz did things and I saw a very stark departure.

[Mike Ryan]

Kids are different, though. Mike, I do think, like you said this help me because you. You are.

[Chris Cody]

Ricky Carroll was a successful college coach.

[Mike Ryan]

You are embedded in the University of Miami stuff. And so you said something earlier in the show, and you say it a lot, that, that Jay Lucas is obsessed with talent acquisition. And while I know there are some coaches who are lazy and some coaches who are not obsessed with talent acquisition, the grand majority of them are achievers who are obsessive compulsive about knowing that the way I'm going to do my job correctly is to get. You've gotten close to Jay Lucas and Mario Cristobal and seen. My God, the work ethic on these people is insane. I will tell you that the best coaches, all of them across sports, are that.

[Chris Cody]

All of them, right? Look, this is a very isolated sample size. Manny Diaz's approach, Mario Crisabal's approach when it came to talent acquisition. And Manny got some guys. But when Manny was told no, he'd be like, all right, best of luck to you. And Mario doesn't take no for an A, and that's why he's much better at his job.

[Mike Ryan]

But Manny Diaz is the one who won the acc, and he just got.

[Dan Le Batard]

Cucked Manny Diaz and he just got.

[Chris Cody]

Cucked because he just lost his leading receiver and, like, games.

[Dan Le Batard]

Lost five games. Why are we comparing. Don't ever ask me about mcult. Why are we comparing Manny Diaz to Mario Criswold? Manny Diaz lost five games this year.

[Mike Ryan]

What did you shout? Don't. You. You. You copped to your cuckold. You said, don't talk about my cuckold.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, I said don't ever call me a cuckold.

[Mike Ryan]

Is that what you said?

[Dan Le Batard]

Why would I ever say don't talk about my.

[Mike Ryan]

Please cut that up. I want. I want proof in the next segment. Cut it up and we will get proof. Because I may have heard him wrong, but I really did think that he. I think he copped to the thing.

[Dan Le Batard]

That we know about never cops, that everyone knows that.

[Mike Ryan]

That. Well, it sounded like you've copped to that, and it also have sounded in recent weeks like you're having trouble with and you've had a bit of an impairment in a way that's been revealed to all.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't like the words you're using. Use different ones.

[Mike Ryan]

All right, can you guys put up on the screen, Brad Williams, please, Taking the tip at. At the NBA all star tip off a Yo.

[Chris Cody]

I shouldn't have put it that way.