Local Hour: I Know Exactly What Charlotte Pickles Looks Like

Summary

Title: Local Hour: I Know Exactly What Charlotte Pickles Looks Like
Host/Authors: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Chris Cody, Jeremy, Izzy
Release Date: April 18, 2025

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Introduction and Easter Reflections (00:01 - 07:00)

The episode kicks off with the hosts discussing the upcoming Good Friday and Easter weekend. Stugotz questions the traditionally somber mood of Good Friday, reminiscing about childhood expectations to remain inactive. This sparks a lighthearted debate about the cultural versus religious significance of Easter.

Notable Quote:

• Stugotz (02:11): "That's what I want to do on Good Friday, is go around and tell people, hey, you don't have to be sad. Sunday gonna be awesome every Friday."

Dan Le Batard shares his observations on how major holidays like Christmas and Easter have become more commercialized, often sidelining their religious roots. He humorously critiques the lack of acknowledgment for Jesus during Easter celebrations, contrasting it with the festive but superficial aspects of Christmas.

Rugrats Passover and VeggieTales Discussion (04:08 - 07:00)

The conversation shifts to nostalgic animated shows with religious themes, specifically the "Rugrats Passover" episode and "VeggieTales." Jeremy reminisces about how watching Rugrats introduced him to Passover, highlighting the cultural impact of these shows.

Notable Quote:

• Jeremy (04:10): "Rugrats Passover for the first time. I think it came out the year I was born."

The hosts humorously discuss the portrayal of religious figures in these shows, blending childhood memories with adult perspectives. Izzy shares his early crush on Charlotte Pickles, tying it back to his familiarity with the show.

NBA Playoffs Analysis: Rockets vs. Warriors (09:00 - 23:54)

A significant portion of the episode delves into the NBA playoffs, focusing on a hypothetical series between the Houston Rockets and the Golden State Warriors. The hosts analyze team dynamics, player performances, and coaching strategies.

Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz (09:07): "I think the Rockets are gonna beat the Warriors."
• Dan Le Batard (13:18): "Look, the thing to me, there's a couple things. Number one is that right. You asked about Jalen Green. I'll tell you why Jalen Green doesn't appear in those moments. It's because his coach doesn't trust him, man."

The discussion highlights the Warriors' seasoned experience versus the Rockets' young talent. Stugotz argues that the Rockets can suffocate the Warriors' offense over a series, questioning the reliability of key players like Draymond Green's chances for Defensive Player of the Year.

Additional Insights:

• The hosts debate the effectiveness of Jalen Green and the Rockets' lack of reliable closers in high-pressure moments.
• They explore the psychological aspects of playing against experienced teams like the Warriors, emphasizing the importance of playoff experience.

Comedy and Improv Segment (29:15 - 33:20)

Injecting some humor, the hosts engage in an improvisational exercise, acting out a scenario where they are plumbers at a zoo dealing with "elephant shit" and other comedic challenges. This segment showcases their chemistry and comedic timing, providing a break from intense sports analysis.

Notable Quote:

• Dan Le Batard (30:48): "Plummer at the zoo. All right. Wow, you guys, pipes are really backed up. There's, like, elephant shit all over the place."

Later Discussions and Closing Remarks (33:20 - 43:25)

Returning to NBA topics, the hosts continue debating drafting strategies, focusing on the potential impact of players like Cooper Flag. They discuss the ethical implications of tanking for higher draft picks versus gaining playoff experience.

Notable Quotes:

• Stugotz (35:48): "That is why Dan doesn't let Jeremy talk basketball."
• Dan Le Batard (38:45): "Look, they didn't know it was religious programming."

The conversation blends strategic sports analysis with lighthearted banter, reflecting on team performances and future prospects. The episode concludes with playful remarks and final thoughts on ongoing sports events.

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Transcript

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[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats podcast. Happy good Friday, everybody. Yeah, it's Easter, right?

[Chris Cody]

Well, it's Good Friday. Easter's on Sunday.

[Stugotz]

I have a question about Good Friday.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sure.

[Stugotz]

Why are we so somber? Like I remember, you know, as a kid, you're supposed to not do anything. Look, I get why.

[Chris Cody]

Well, remember, we don't know what happens.

[Stugotz]

No, but we do know what happened.

[Jeremy]

But I know.

[Stugotz]

We absolutely do know.

[Chris Cody]

We don't know.

[Stugotz]

He comes back three couple days later. It happens every time.

[Dan LeBatard]

Spoiler alert. Spoiler alert.

[Jeremy]

Jeez.

[Stugotz]

That's what I want to do on Good Friday, is go around and tell people, hey, you don't have to be sad. Sunday gonna be awesome every Friday, Rabbit. It's gonna be amazing.

[Izzy]

Every Friday is Good Friday to me.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's got to be if you're Jesus, right? There's like, there's two big days, right? Christmas and Easter, right? And they're like, oh, that's everyone's gonna be. That's nice. That's awesome. So how are they celebrating me? Well, on Christmas, we all just kind of like worship this big fat red guy, give each other presents. Big ass tree. So Jesus is like, okay, a little weird, but like, hey, I'm all for the spirit of giving. All right. What about Easter? Like Easter, Everyone wants to be super psyched. Well, brunch. We get a big rabbit and we hide eggs and then we go to brunch and you're just like. So, like, I don't come up in any of this. Nothing. Not a shout out.

[Stugotz]

I mean, sometimes people go to church on that day, but it's really about the chocolates in the grass.

[Dan LeBatard]

And the brunch, and the brunch, and the brunch.

[Izzy]

We need chicken and waffles this Monday. Bad Monday, because all Mondays stink. All Fridays are good. That's what I'm doing. The worst game I'm playing Sunday.

[Stugotz]

Scary Church of Chris Cody.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. Oh, man. The Gospel of Chris Cody.

[Izzy]

I don't want to play that game.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'll tell you what. The pancake breakfast, always on point at the Church of Chris Cody.

[Stugotz]

It's going to be especially on point this Easter.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why is that?

[Stugotz]

I was talking about hiding eggs in the grass. It's 420. Different kind of grass. Different kind of grass.

[Dan LeBatard]

Wow. Different kind of chocolate type.

[Stugotz]

Like, this brunch is going to hit.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

At church might be a little bit fun too.

[Dan LeBatard]

That. Yeah, I'm with this. Hold on now. And the Church of Chris Cody just shows up baked to give the sermon.

[Mike Ryan]

Amen.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sermon's four hours long, by the way, because he just keeps rambling. We were talking about this before the show because Jeremy was talking about Passover and how he learned about Passover was from Rugrats.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, the Rugrats Passover episode.

[Stugotz]

Really?

[Jeremy]

For every young Jewish kid, this was a. A cultural moment being shown Rugrats Passover for the first time. I think it came out the year I was born. But the Pickles family, which is unsurprising based off the name Jewish, and Tommy Pickles and company, his grandfather, the way that that story goes, would, I think they all get trapped in an attic, which is, you know, ironic. And they end up hearing the story of Passover for the first time from their grandfather, who has a thick Russian accent. And animated. However you think an animated Jewish grandfather looks, that's what he looks like.

[Izzy]

Speaking of 420, Stu pickles. That dude did drugs.

[Jeremy]

The dad.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh.

[Jeremy]

To cope for The Depression.

[Izzy]

He was like a scientist, right? He was always, like, working on something in the garage. No, he was just smoking weed.

[Stugotz]

Purple hair.

[Izzy]

Yeah, he had purple hair. He was always frantic.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, I was a Chucky guy. I love Chucky.

[Dan LeBatard]

Always scared. Chucky was the ginger.

[Izzy]

Yeah, he's the star. Star of the show.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, he really is.

[Izzy]

I don't like how, you know the hard er there.

[Dan LeBatard]

But, man, some Jamaican ginger. The Passover Rugrats episode got me thinking about another animated show that, you know, these shows are all. You know, me and Izzy, we're already, like, too old for those shows, so we kind of just see them, but not really.

[Stugotz]

No. I watched the Rugrats.

[Dan LeBatard]

Did you?

[Stugotz]

As a fully formed adult. For real?

[Jeremy]

It's a great show.

[Dan LeBatard]

It is.

[Jeremy]

Taught you a lot.

[Dan LeBatard]

Look.

[Jeremy]

I mean, look at what you're seeing on the screen, right? I still get an actual Torah. And in that episode, you know, the Maccabees, it was a maca baby's got to do what a maca baby's got to do.

[Izzy]

One of my first crushes was Angelica Pickles. Mom. Charlotte Pickles.

[Jeremy]

I feel like that says a lot about your psyche.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hold on.

[Jeremy]

I kind of like it.

[Dan LeBatard]

Can you guys pull up Angelica?

[Izzy]

No, no, no. I know Charlotte Pickles.

[Jeremy]

I know exactly what Charlotte Pickles looks like.

[Izzy]

Okay, this is going to man, fist me while.

[Dan LeBatard]

While they pull this up. So I was telling Jeremy, you know, as a father, I try to get my kids into these when they were younger, into these different shows and stuff. And so I remember when my oldest was, like, 2 years old, I was like, I hear about veggietales. Veggietales. VeggieTales. I'm like, okay. Veggietales? Yeah. Like, oh, I guess. Veggie tail.

[Izzy]

Come on. This is not her. Come on. We could do better than this. Get the full picture here. Come on, guys. We're talking about a body.

[Chris Cody]

What do you mean, full picture?

[Jeremy]

I know exactly what you mean by full picture.

[Dan LeBatard]

Still. Keep digging. So I started watching VeggieTales with my kid. My kid, my oldest. Because I was like, oh, this is cool. My kid will learn about vegetables and, like, will, like, vegetables and stuff. And then, like, 20 minutes in, I'm like, huh? And then I realized, oh, Veggie Tales was like, a Christian show. Like, a very Christian.

[Chris Cody]

You guys didn't know that?

[Jeremy]

I had no idea.

[Dan LeBatard]

I thought it was just veg. Like, broccoli talking and stuff.

[Chris Cody]

No, no, no.

[Dan LeBatard]

And so I was like, oh, this is like, this Is programming. Oh, wow.

[Izzy]

Now we're talking.

[Stugotz]

How old were you, Chris?

[Izzy]

I was, like, seven.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay, so let's say I was 27 years old.

[Izzy]

I was like, me, like, Dan.

[Stugotz]

35 years.

[Jeremy]

God. Good Lord.

[Stugotz]

More Rugrats, please.

[Dan LeBatard]

Mom. That was the mom.

[Izzy]

Look at her. Very fit on a treadmill.

[Dan LeBatard]

That was the mom.

[Izzy]

She's maxi.

[Dan LeBatard]

Maxi. Nice call back there. But, yeah. I had no idea, Tony, that it was religious programming.

[Chris Cody]

That's something that we grew up with religiously, was Veggie Tales. It was like, a part of our.

[Jeremy]

Literally religiously, like, they were talking about.

[Dan LeBatard]

Like, about Good Friday. Yeah, yeah. It was some episode about, like. It was like, Jesus going to the market and, like, let there be fish and all that. But it was like the Veggie Tales were telling the story, and it just threw me off. But now, years and years later, when I watch Righteous Gemstones and they're trying to make teen, just, like, that's what it makes me think of. It's like, oh, this is how all those shows get made. It's a bunch of people like, yo, we're gonna make this show. It's gonna be about Jesus, but we're gonna have, like, carrots and vegetables. Do it. And Brussels sprouts. Tell the story.

[Stugotz]

We're gonna hide it.

[Jeremy]

You guys got a whole show. We got our two episodes, Passover and Hanukkah, and that's how it worked for us. And only on Rugrats. But it was well worth it because we got to see a little more Charlotte Pickles again.

[Stugotz]

You know, I still call my phone a hello Phone every once in a while, because that's what the kids called it. Because, you know, you pick up the phone, you say, hello. So it's a hello phone.

[Mike Ryan]

Oh.

[Dan LeBatard]

Don LeBatard.

[Jeremy]

Sugar daddies.

[Izzy]

These things. I'm telling you, I love Sugar daddies. Stuck in your teeth like you can't chew them. They're, like, impossible to chew. They are impossible.

[Stugotz]

That is every day, stupid.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is the Dan Levatar show with the St. Izzy. You call your phone a hello phone, but you're calling Golden State a goodbye phone.

[Stugotz]

Ooh, transition.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

Wow.

[Stugotz]

Hung up. Look, I think a lot, man.

[Dan LeBatard]

I am.

[Stugotz]

I feel like an astronaut today. It feels like because I'm wearing this, like, white, and my face is super shiny, so it looks like I'm already wearing the helmet. But anyway, yeah, I think the Rockets are gonna beat the Warriors. I know it's a 2 7. I know it's a 27 thing. Perfect. It's a 27 situation. So they should be the favorite, but they're not. Like, they're a minus. What is it? I think it was minus 130 or something to win that series. Wow. I don't know if I can do this and talk, but. Oh, wow. This is. I don't think my head can fit in here. We're gonna have to do this later. But I see sort of this, like.

[Dan LeBatard]

Tragic hold on your arm. Like. Like you just. You're headed to the shuttle.

[Chris Cody]

I was gonna say you gotta hold it like you just got back.

[Mike Ryan]

Like, Gary King.

[Izzy]

You're a hero, man. We appreciate everything you did.

[Jeremy]

Running back with a football around the high school.

[Chris Cody]

They didn't wear helmets.

[Dan LeBatard]

They.

[Chris Cody]

The. The ladies that went up?

[Dan LeBatard]

No, they just hung out.

[Chris Cody]

What. What happened there? Well, weren't we told, like, you gotta wear helmets just in case.

[Dan LeBatard]

Just in case.

[Chris Cody]

Whatever.

[Dan LeBatard]

Ah, you'll be fine. That's a habit.

[Stugotz]

Gotta kiss the ground.

[Izzy]

Oh, oh, There we go. Nice. Did he really do it or.

[Dan LeBatard]

He did, you know, not.

[Izzy]

Lips to the ground.

[Stugotz]

Come on.

[Dan LeBatard]

I just handed.

[Izzy]

Fear of the mind.

[Dan LeBatard]

So.

[Stugotz]

So I think the warriors are gonna lose this series now. Think about what that does. Right? So I feel like. I don't know, maybe because Draymond Green has just told us all of these things, like, I. I'm going to win Defensive Player of the Year. Yeah, we're going to win an NBA championship. You know who also used to have those very bold claims and they were ended up empty the entire time is Jimmy Butler. And so this is. And he's already got the. Once upon a time, there was a seven seed or whatever tale he's starting to tell on his Instagram. And I just think the Rockets are better. I think they're. They're going to suffocate the warriors offense over seven games, however many it takes. I don't think Draymond Green is going to win Defensive Player of the Year. I've seen a couple of ballots put out. I know. What's his name? Tim something. Excuse me. He voted for Zubots, which I'm sure you'd be happy about. Defensive player, Defensive Player of the Year. So I just think it'll be spread out and I don't think he'll. He'll end up winning it. And then it's just going to be like, oh, they're not that team that's going to surprise people and win a fifth championship. They're that team with Jimmy Butler that still needs more help.

[Dan LeBatard]

You realize Adam Silver is, like, right now his tie is all the way loosened. He's stressing, he's chain smoking and drinking coffee. Cause he's praying. He's praying that we get Warriors Lakers in that second round. Like that's, that's the, that's the, that's the money right there.

[Chris Cody]

Well, aren't we all?

[Stugotz]

Of course not me. I'm a huge Rockets fan, Rockets, Wolves and stuff. Like I'm preparing myself for it's Rockets against the world. Like it's going to be eight on five every single time. There's going to be a bunch of questions. There's going to be the two minute report that say the warriors got like five calls in their favor. So it's going to need a lot more effort than just, you know, a winning effort from the Rockets. They have to do a little extra because everybody wants what Tony just said.

[Chris Cody]

Are you not worried about Rockets offensively though? Like who's going to be the guy down the stretch? So you're going to give the ball to and be like, all right buddy, go get us a bucket when we.

[Stugotz]

Really need one in a close game? Sure. I do think that that was, I've been saying it all year. I mean can can attest to that. Like they don't have a closer. Ideally it would be Jalen Green in terms of somebody that would be able to get his own shot. But he just. I don't know what happens to him in those moments. I think they need to put the ball into men Thompson's hands some more and let him create and draw some fouls. They don't do that enough late in games largely because they have Fred Van Vliet and he's got no jump in offense. He has zero jumper. And then, you know, Sengun, it's a little tougher to go into the post when you have the defense really locked in. So that is the biggest problem. But the way they might suffocate the Warriors, I don't think it's going to come down to those.

[Izzy]

Wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait, wait.

[Jeremy]

In the middle of that, Tony back here as you're talking about giving the ball to Amen Thompson, his immediate reaction off Mike to all of us is, man, he's got no jumper. And Chris not knowing at all what you're talking about three seconds later just goes, yeah, he's got no jumper. Turns off the mic and says, oh man, I just stole that right from Tony.

[Stugotz]

Nailed it though. He nailed it. I was like, I would say to you, Tony, slash. Chris is. He's never going to Settle for that. Like he's going to force the issue.

[Dan LeBatard]

My problem. My problem is we agree he's not good at the free throw line either, and that.

[Chris Cody]

That's part of the no jumper part, right?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. It's like I'd be all right with him not being able to shoot.

[Stugotz]

He's not a great free throw shooter, percentage wise. In the moment.

[Dan LeBatard]

He makes, he makes. There's a little shack in everybody. Look, the thing to me, there's a couple things. Number one is that right. You asked about Jalen Green. I'll tell you why Jalen Green doesn't appear in those moments. It's because his coach doesn't trust him, man. Like, that's clear.

[Stugotz]

He actually sat him late in the game, late in the season when the game still mattered.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yep. IME Udoka does not have. Does not exude confidence in Jalen Green. So it's going to be probably Van Vliet because he's the vet and he's. He's more likely to make the right decision, although he's kind of limited also in what he can do on the floor. To me, that's the issue with this team. It's a young team, dude. Other than Van Vliet and Dylan Brooks. And that's your. That's your vet.

[Stugotz]

It's going to be so much fun, though, right?

[Izzy]

But.

[Dan LeBatard]

But it's like. It's Van Vliet. It's Dillon Brooks and Steven Adams. Right. Steven Adams, not an offensive guy. Right. Dillon Brooks, wholly unreliable. And Van Vliet, reliable, but a little limited in terms of what he can do. Right. So these are the guys and then everyone else, first time at the rodeo. And time and time again, what we see is that when it's your first time at the rodeo, particularly if you're going against that old vet. The vets that been there and been there a million times over know exactly how this movie goes.

[Stugotz]

Like Moses Moody.

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean, he wasn't Tampa, but Moses Moody. Exactly. Moses Moody's played on a championship team.

[Izzy]

He's been there.

[Chris Cody]

He's been in the rodeo.

[Dan LeBatard]

He's seen the fire. Right. He's been there. Right. Donna Kamingo, who's out of the rotation right now, but I think he's going to play against the Rockets because of the physicality part. He's been there, like. And then obviously Steph and Draymond and Jimmy Butler and Kevon Looney and like those guys. That goes without saying. So what ends up happening is they take advantage of young teams, is what happens is like, they take advantage of. We know the value of a possession and you really don't. The other, like, there's a part of this also, Izzy, that they have no idea what's coming in terms of the intensity. Because the way I always describe it for NBA, you know, players, you get, when you get in, you're like, you, you get to summer league. I'm a rookie, like, oh, yeah, I think I could do. I play pretty well. And then you realize, oh, wait, 90% of these guys are not going to be in the NBA. So then you get to preseason and you're like, oh, wow, it's really hard. Everyone up their level of play. But then you realize, oh, nobody cares. They're just trying to get in shape. Then you get to the regular season, like, oh, crap, they're really, really playing hard. Like, no, they're just trying to regulate for the, for the regular season. And then you get to the playoffs and you think you played 82 games. Like, okay, I think I figured it out. I know this NBA thing, okay? So sometimes LeBron does this and some, oh, Steph Curry Q. I got it right. And then you get to the playoffs and you realize, oh, shit, they were holding out on us. They had a whole other level and there's nothing that you can. It's like, you know how when people are rehabbing from an injury and they say, well, there's no replacing game speed, right? We can go through drills, but there's nothing that replaces game speed. It's the same thing. I can't explain it. You're just going to have to experience it. And I think the Rockets are going to get blindsided by that.

[Stugotz]

Experience it for two games and then you figured out, oh, I'm just as good as this team. We are just as good, if not better than this team. After two games you realize, oh, Jabari Smith can just turn around and shoot over Draymond Green because he's taller than him and has a. I'm sorry. And has a Rasheed Wallace type of jumper. Okay, you know, it's going to be, oh, wow. If we really lock up Steph, their number two option is Jimmy Butler. Okay, we can put Tari Eason on him. We're good. Like, they're going to realize that they don't have that many fires to put out with Golden State. And so as long as they are doing their thing, which is getting the ball to Sengun, finding some sort of half court offense that you can rely on, and then scoring on these turnovers and everything else, I I think they're just a better team there.

[Dan LeBatard]

There's another impact of all this that, that I. I realized. I think it was two years ago when the warriors played against the Kings in the first round, which is. It's all well and good. I'm just as good. We're better than them. We could play. But then there comes a moment where you're watching Steph Curry go off, and then you begin to realize that these guys that are playing for the Rockets in this case, they grew up watching this. So it's not just like, oh, yeah, I was like 20 or whatever. It's like, no. I remember as a 12 year old watching him demolish the Rockets, and it's like, crap, that's happening to me now.

[Stugotz]

Because there's times where you recognize, though, oh, okay, now, yeah, I was watching that. But I belong here. I remember talking to a Sar Thompson. He had just come back from. He was still at ote. Had just come back from a pickup game with OG Anunoby, Anthony Edwards.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Both taking part in that game. It was a third person. I can't remember who.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sure.

[Stugotz]

And he played that entire thing and he said, look, I understand that, you know, those guys are there, they're working on something, right? So they're not saying, oh, I'm going to beat up a Sar Thompson over here, but I just spent, you know, whatever it is, an hour, an hour and a half playing against them. I know I belong. There's a moment where you're just like, I know I belong here. And it makes you even play better. It makes you play to your full potential. And I can see that, especially with this team that has had those moments throughout the year.

[Dan LeBatard]

There's a difference between that. There's a difference between that and when you're watching the movie, right? Anthony Edwards is great. He doesn't have the movie. Like Steph Curry has the movie. The movie, Part one. I put Dele in the hospital. Like, that's a movie, dude. That's not like a regular. Oh, yeah, I could play with him. I was like, oh, shit.

[Stugotz]

He put Deli in the hospital when Dele was beating him. It was like, I'm still gonna put you in the hospital so that we can win this series on the back end. It was ridiculous.

[Dan LeBatard]

The biggest lie ever told was that Deli locked up. Steph had one good game and then like, what's the hospital? And then. And then after that, like, Steph was like, I'm gonna put you in the dirt, man. You keep trying to keep up with me, I will have you in an IV, in a drip.

[Stugotz]

There's literally a four hour movie on YouTube right now. It's just going through the warriors championship years.

[Chris Cody]

Four hours, Izzy, to your point where you're like, oh, I can play with these guys, right? Like, when you do the, the pickup games and you see Anthony Edwards up close and you're like, wait a second. Like, I kind of compare. There's that moment of realization of I can play with these guys. And then there's the moment of realization, like Amin said, like, oh, I can't play with that guy. That guy's so much better.

[Stugotz]

Is that guy Steph? Yes. And again, what happened the last time they played?

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah, but that, that's like, dude, they.

[Chris Cody]

Were off of back to back. They have played the Nuggets, the Lakers.

[Stugotz]

They have played a bunch of really good games. They can hold him to three points every time. But if you're looking at, wow, I can do that, then if you can keep them to, you know, a 20 point game on 19 shots, you've done your job and you're probably going to win that game.

[Dan LeBatard]

Dude, you know what's crazy? That's what the Grizzlies did on Tuesday. And then at the end of the game, and then it happened. And then he was just, the movie's gonna start now. And I was like, and it happens. And everyone. The craziest thing is when everyone in the building, everybody knows, like, oh, here we go. Well, that's the part that's different, right? From Anthony Edwards, no disrespect. When it's like, oh, crap, I've seen Indiana Jones a million times. Oh, he's beaten up. We got him. He's dying. Oh, no. He's gonna turn around and pull out a gun and a whip. And now all of a sudden he's a hero again. That's what happens when you playing against Steph Curry.

[Stugotz]

Do you think that the, like Stephen Adams being on that Rockets team, Dylan Brooks being on that Rockets team, two guys that have had it out with Draymond Green or Draymond Green kicked one in the nuts a couple of times and then headed out with. With Dillon Brooks, like, isn't that experience carry over? Doesn't that help them teach these other guys, hey, we don't need to be afraid of these guys.

[Dan LeBatard]

It helps, it helps, but it's limited, right? Right. Especially Dylan Brooks because he's such a loudmouth. I guess I could call him, right? Like Dylan Brooks. I could see him walking in there. Hey, man, we're going to lock up Steph Curry, da, da, da. But then you're going to see what Steph Curry is going to do when Dylan Brooks is on him. And that. That's like. I thought you told us that we had this, right?

[Stugotz]

Like Brooks. Dylan Brooks has two of the worst videos online ever. It's the one where he's got Draymond Green is up like this with the ball here and Dylan's trying to be the tough guy, like face to face, but his face is all up and Draymond armpits and it's just like. And then the other one recently where he's defending LeBron and he's just.

[Jeremy]

Make that a gift right now.

[Dan LeBatard]

Absolutely.

[Stugotz]

And for the tough guy that wants to be like the big defender, like, those are two videos you probably don't want out of.

[Dan LeBatard]

The one I think about is one where Curry spun him around and ran up the court like, that's the movie, man. Like, because when that happens, all that braggadocio and like, I'm brave and all that stuff, it all goes out the window.

[Jeremy]

I would think though, that this group in particular, Stephen Adams, Dylan Brooks and Fred Van Fleet, who was on a championship team that beat the warriors in the finals, I know that's the year where everybody gets hurt, right? But he's gone head to head with these guys before in the biggest moments. You would think that that group might be the right group to actually just boost up the most talented players who are going to be the difference makers? Who are Smith and Thompson and Green? Those are the guys who are going to have to Shengoon, obviously the guys who are going to have to play well for the Rockets to be to pull this off. And I think there is a difference than when we're talking about latent games with a lead and you're the Grizzlies versus you're the Rockets. Those are not the same teams. The Rockets are way, way better than that Grizzlies team. And it's not to say that they're going to win this series, because I do think that if you have a five point game with five minutes to go and you not only have Steph Curry, but you have Jimmy Butler, who we've seen in those moments do some amazing things, you're probably not going to win a lot of those games at the same time. If you can be so great, which the Rockets have been all year, that you can win some games handily, which is still possible. The warriors are not this infallible object. You can beat them. Not just beat them in the final moments late. That might be how a six game series happens because the warriors win a couple of close games late.

[Dan LeBatard]

That's my thing is, like, if the Rockets are going to win, they have to beat their ass.

[Jeremy]

They got to dominate.

[Dan LeBatard]

It has to be. We're so much more talented than you that this is. I'm offended that we're even having.

[Stugotz]

And when that happens, because, I mean, not that I need any flowers or anything, but, like, what happens to the league? Do we look at it like, oh, because there's just the discussion, hey, maybe they get Kevin Durant, the Rockets, and they really finish that off. And the Rockets are just. I saw a report that said, no, they're probably not interested in Katie. I think they're good. And so if that happens, like, are we announcing the end of Steph? Like, Steph needs to be on a super team to get that fifth ring and match Kobe look it.

[Dan LeBatard]

I don't think so. I think this Jimmy Butler half season or whatever, third of a season that they've had has given them, like, confidence. Like, okay, we've got the makings of something. Clearly it's not complete, but I think there's little optimism that they can keep doing it.

[Izzy]

When I see Izzy holding that helmet, I think of, we're in 3025. Izzy's the first person to surf on Mars, and he's joining us today to tell us about it. We finally were on Mars. We have. You know, there's a quicksilver still a thing. Yeah. Like, it's making a comeback. It's like, how was it up there? It was warm. But you were able to do it.

[Stugotz]

What do. What do surfers say? Do they shred? No. Is that. Is that.

[Izzy]

The waves were gnarly.

[Jeremy]

Oddly enough, Sean John doesn't exist anymore there, though.

[Chris Cody]

With good reason.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah. No. What? I feel bad for anyone who had to work on that. Like, that had nothing to do with anything. It's like, oh, man, I just came up with some cool designs, guys. Like, hey, baggies, back in. Remember these? And then it's like, yeah, timing couldn't.

[Jeremy]

Have been better for resurgence.

[Dan LeBatard]

And then, you know them Sean John velours. Oh, boy. Man, we would have been killing it right now with the pull, the velour. I had a crushed velvet. It was navy blue, but you know how, like, velvet kind of like shimmers in the light?

[Izzy]

Izzy, can you hear me? Izzy? Earth to Izzy.

[Dan LeBatard]

He can't hear you. I don't think. Izzy. Izzy, can you hear us?

[Stugotz]

Vaguely. I can hear you a little bit.

[Chris Cody]

How was it sound?

[Izzy]

How was it surfing on Mars?

[Stugotz]

Water was a little dry. It was not the best, to be honest. Little hot.

[Dan LeBatard]

I thought Mars was a colder than I was hot.

[Stugotz]

I think it's. It's the insulation on all this quicksilver attire. Keeps you really warm.

[Izzy]

That kind of thing.

[Dan LeBatard]

That kind of thing. Is he. What was this?

[Stugotz]

Oh, this might help.

[Dan LeBatard]

There it is. You do look like an astronaut, man. Like I don't know who's surfing.

[Jeremy]

Something about your build.

[Stugotz]

I think I heard that joke.

[Dan LeBatard]

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[Chris Cody]

Don LeBatard to US residents oh wow, you think I haven't been practicing stugats?

[Dan LeBatard]

I didn't realize we had a substitute Complicated legacy brought to you by headquarter.

[Chris Cody]

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[Dan LeBatard]

To this is the Dan Levatar show with the Stugats. We had Andrew Santino on yesterday and we're still bubbling about it out here in the little meeting Room. Because he is one of the great, obviously, very funny comedian. Incredible podcast. But he is one of the great. Yes. And people I've ever seen to. Him and Ian Carmel, to me, are like the two highest.

[Jeremy]

Right at the top.

[Dan LeBatard]

Most evolved. And me in that anything you throw at them, they can just keep going with it. They keep going with it and.

[Izzy]

Nah.

[Dan LeBatard]

I feel like when we're at our best.

[Chris Cody]

But.

[Dan LeBatard]

No, no. But when we're at.

[Stugotz]

Well, whatever.

[Dan LeBatard]

When we're our best. Oh, okay. Then when we're at our best, it's because we are doing the. Yes. And thing. So I thought we could do a little. Yes. And exercises, a little improv. Just all of us here. Right. So I want to start with. Let's start with a location. Give me a location. Any location. The zoo. Okay. At the zoo. All right. At the zoo. And give me a profession.

[Mike Ryan]

Plumber.

[Dan LeBatard]

Plumber. Okay.

[Izzy]

Fitting.

[Dan LeBatard]

Okay. And you. All right over there? All right, here we go.

[Stugotz]

I want to ask Roy how in the world he thought of Plummer. We were talking about it earlier. We had Jake Plummer on the show.

[Jeremy]

Yeah, Jake Plummer's gonna be.

[Dan LeBatard]

There you go. Okay. Plummer at the zoo. All right. Wow, you guys, pipes are really backed up. There's, like, elephant shit all over the place. You guys gotta stop using these flushable wipes. They don't really work.

[Izzy]

I can't believe they have a bathroom for elephants.

[Dan LeBatard]

They do.

[Izzy]

It's just unbelievable.

[Dan LeBatard]

And it's unhygienic, right? Like, they never clean up after themselves. It's just shit everywhere.

[Izzy]

The biggest stall you've ever seen. Like, they're all handicapped stalls.

[Dan LeBatard]

Do they go. They read the paper, too in there because there's newspapers everywhere.

[Izzy]

They have the biggest sinks you've ever seen. And they have this thing. And they have, like, the waving thing where you, like, put. And you should see them with their.

[Stugotz]

What are they? Hooves?

[Izzy]

What are we. What's the elephant foot called?

[Dan LeBatard]

Feet.

[Stugotz]

A foot.

[Izzy]

Yeah, the elephant foot. Trying to wave to get the thing going.

[Stugotz]

It's a sight to behold.

[Dan LeBatard]

I'll tell you the hardest part about doing my job here is having the monkeys throw their shit at me while I'm trying to clean up this thing, while I'm trying to fix these pipes. I mean, geez. Anybody else play?

[Chris Cody]

I got none.

[Stugotz]

I'm not.

[Chris Cody]

I just wanted Chris to do the entire thing and just really be hooked up on the elephant bathrooms.

[Stugotz]

So I'm not gonna lie. I had the astronaut helmet on so I couldn't hear what was going on. Over there. I really didn't know what was happening. I kind of heard what you were saying, and I realized that, oh, we're doing a thing here as a plumber.

[Dan LeBatard]

And this is how we fail.

[Jeremy]

I was working behind the scenes, workshopping with Lewis, trying to figure out how I could do, like, a racist Jose Gaki about Rhinos as compared to the elephant. We. We were getting there.

[Izzy]

I just needed you guys to keep.

[Jeremy]

The ball in the air for another minute or so.

[Chris Cody]

White Rhino.

[Jeremy]

God damn.

[Dan LeBatard]

And we just lost.

[Jeremy]

He had the joke.

[Dan LeBatard]

This is why we're not Andrew Santino.

[Stugotz]

All right, That's a good exercise.

[Jeremy]

I can't believe we spent this much time talking about the Rockets and the warriors when they're playing games tonight with some teams that have some opportunities to have some special postseason performances.

[Dan LeBatard]

Hawks, maybe you have.

[Jeremy]

Well, of course, the late game is the Mavericks against the Grizzlies, which is actually, you know, pretty interesting.

[Stugotz]

I back up.

[Jeremy]

It's.

[Stugotz]

If you saw these two games on a Tuesday in, like, January. Are you.

[Jeremy]

What?

[Stugotz]

I pass? Are you just like.

[Jeremy]

Well, no, I'm turning on my local network post.

[Stugotz]

Luca trade.

[Chris Cody]

Let's go say January. No.

[Jeremy]

Yeah.

[Izzy]

March.

[Jeremy]

You might not want to watch any of these teams, but Heat, Hawks early game.

[Dan LeBatard]

Oh, yeah, that's right.

[Jeremy]

Look, are we allowed to care? Are we allowed to. To. To want to watch that game? Are we allowed to be entertained? Are we allowed to care that you're the team you root for, makes the playoffs? Or is that something that's, like, not cool?

[Izzy]

Tonight's the tournament for who doesn't want Cooper flag.

[Stugotz]

You know who.

[Jeremy]

I just can't believe we're still here.

[Stugotz]

Jeremy is. And this is going to sound like a compliment to you right now, but.

[Jeremy]

But it's going to be an insult.

[Dan LeBatard]

But I show you it's not.

[Stugotz]

Jeremy is Tyler Hero right now.

[Izzy]

All right?

[Jeremy]

Because compliment.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Hear me out here. Everything Tyler Hero is doing is great. Like, I love Tyler Hero. He is like, the amaz American success story, right? Just nobody believed in him, came out here, worked his way up, is an all star, doing all the right things. This team without Jimmy Butler, with all the drama that is, you know, he created, is still fighting and very well might make the playoffs, which is, you know, quite the honor for them. But Tyler is still doing the things. Like, it's really high stakes, right? Like, he was playing or the post game interview yesterday after they beat. Who was it? Chicago. He's like, oh, yeah, we got to get ready for the second play in. And that's what it's all about. And I'm like, that's not really where you're supposed to put. That's where it's all about.

[Jeremy]

Been what it's all about for the last three years.

[Stugotz]

But it's not. It's not all about that. Right. And then my favorite thing is he was cooking in that second half. He makes a move, I want to say against. It was against Kevin Herder goes baseline.

[Chris Cody]

I know exactly what you're talking about.

[Stugotz]

And he's like, yeah, you can't guard me. And I'm like, kevin Herder's probably over there being like, yes. And no kidding, man.

[Izzy]

I can't guard anybody.

[Stugotz]

Not quite the flex you think it is, buddy. And I'm just like, yeah, again, I love.

[Jeremy]

So that's how you feel about me.

[Stugotz]

He's doing every. Yeah. Because, like, you are. You are cheering and you have your heart in it. Like, they're getting ready to go to the finals.

[Jeremy]

I like sports.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. And really, it's just. Hey, I might be an ac. It's like, you're just. You're Right now yelling at Kevin hurt. You're yelling at Duncan Robinson. You can't guard Jeremy.

[Izzy]

If they lose tonight and then end up winning the lottery.

[Jeremy]

Will you take the L. I don't.

[Chris Cody]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

Yes. I think that.

[Mike Ryan]

Yes.

[Jeremy]

There is no theory. There is no theory in which. I think that no matter what theory.

[Stugotz]

For you, that will give you a better 2% chance of Cooper Flag ethical tanking. This is a Duke organization. They're going to find a way to get them some Cooper Flag. Nick Harrison, like, come on. That's why they drafted Justice Winslow. One of their biggest mistakes ever was just because he went to Duke.

[Izzy]

I want to play a game. I want Jeremy to tell me the percentage chance that the Heat have of winning the title. Right. As of right now where we sit.

[Jeremy]

Right now, it's going to be a less percentage chance than they have of getting a top four pick. I don't know that it's less of a chance.

[Izzy]

I would argue it's the. About the same amount chance as getting Cooper Flag.

[Dan LeBatard]

Yeah.

[Jeremy]

And remember when we had this conversation?

[Stugotz]

Less.

[Izzy]

Right. You're less.

[Jeremy]

Remember when we had this exact same conversation two years ago? So my. My greater conversation than. Than winning the championship because this is actually like a, a, a. You're saying if they go ethics conversation that I'm intrigued by, which is like.

[Izzy]

If they go to rounds, is there.

[Jeremy]

Or is there value in playing one round? Is there value in Tyler Herro? As a lead guy having a good six game series against Cleveland and that meaning something to him is Khaleel Ware getting the exper, maybe Pelo Larson, the rookies getting experience in playoff games against playoff perform. That's valuable for you in the long run.

[Stugotz]

Pick in the draft, right.

[Jeremy]

Then a 15th pick. I'm not talking about the random chance that they might maybe because of ping pong ball jump into the top four. And if they do, I will be as happy as anyone and talking about how great the future can be because of it. But I'm wondering what the value is of playoff experience and a pick next year instead of an extra pick this year.

[Stugotz]

I want to go to Tony here. I just want to point out that you can tell how suppressed Jeremy has been and hasn't been able to talk basketball because when he finally gets to talk it his eyes get really.

[Jeremy]

Just let me ask questions.

[Chris Cody]

Let the record show that a couple of years ago when I said the Heat should have tanked for Wembanyama in my personal record book, the Heat already have Wemby at that point. So we have Wemby on this team in my personal record book. Now we're trying to get Cooper Flagg to pair with Wemby in my personal record book on my team.

[Dan LeBatard]

You know, the crazy thing is in the real record book, the spurs might actually get him. That'd be terrible. If they get.

[Izzy]

I would hate that.

[Dan LeBatard]

Let's do this. I want to play this game. Game. Top five places. We don't want to see Cooper flag land.

[Chris Cody]

San Antonio, number one.

[Dan LeBatard]

You got. You got a better. You can. You can knock that off.

[Stugotz]

Well, I was going to say. Never mind. Because they're not in the lottery anymore. I was going to say if Dallas were to fall in the lottery. That's a lot.

[Dan LeBatard]

They might be. If they lose tonight, they're back in the lottery.

[Stugotz]

Oh, that's right. So Dallas, that would be complete conspiracy theory. Hey, you gave Luca. You gave the la. Luca. We're going to give you Cooper flag.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right, I'm going to try.

[Chris Cody]

Imagine Nico Harrison at that ping pong.

[Stugotz]

Traded Luca for an American white chess.

[Dan LeBatard]

And then try to play it off like, yeah, I meant to do that. That's the part. That's the part. That's why I hate you guys. That's why I hate the lottery. Because it allows teams to f up royally and then turn around and be like, yeah, I meant to do that. I'm like, no, you didn't.

[Stugotz]

Can I say something? I don't Think that if you are picked. Thanks, Chris. I should have waited for permission. If you are picked in the top 14, you shouldn't be called the lottery pick.

[Dan LeBatard]

Why not?

[Stugotz]

You should only be a lottery pick in the top four because you won the lottery. Right? Those are the only times they pick.

[Dan LeBatard]

Well, they were. All 14 were in the lottery.

[Stugotz]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

Four won it, basically.

[Stugotz]

Right. And so you're a winner, you win the lottery. And if you're a loser, you lose the lottery. So are they lottery losers? And they'd get to draft those people?

[Dan LeBatard]

I mean. Well, yes, they're lottery losers, but the players are still lottery picks. No, only the top four.

[Stugotz]

You're playing for a win. You win the lottery. Those are the four picks.

[Izzy]

No, the lottery decides every pick of that. That.

[Stugotz]

No, it literally doesn't. Just the top four and then the rest of them just fall in order.

[Jeremy]

That's actually true.

[Izzy]

Okay, so how about. Tony said that too. I followed him.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, well, my bad. I'm just trying to feed Chris all the stuff. It just. The whole thing would be conspiratorial. Anywhere you put him, right? Like Cooper flag. If he goes to San Antonio, he goes to Dallas. Like, if he goes to Philly, if.

[Jeremy]

You know, obviously Miami deserves it.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you.

[Stugotz]

That, Jeremy.

[Jeremy]

They deserve it.

[Chris Cody]

That's because it was the.

[Dan LeBatard]

Look.

[Chris Cody]

Now you finally started to figure it out.

[Jeremy]

Here's what I'll say. They're gonna play their damn hardest tonight, right? This team has played hard all season long, despite what would have been the easiest season ever to just say, all right, time to tank and get the.

[Chris Cody]

Highest pick, which they probably should have, by the way.

[Izzy]

But they went on like, do it. They had like a 10 game losing.

[Jeremy]

Watched any of those games, you saw they blew those games. Not because they weren't trying to win, Jeremy, because they were playing awful basketball.

[Izzy]

Third quarter.

[Jeremy]

And what I'm saying is they actually tried for 82 games. When we talk about the concept of ethical tanking, even, which is competing and.

[Stugotz]

Losing, sound like it was a good thing.

[Jeremy]

Oh, no, it wasn't a good thing, guy. They were playing terrible. That's my point. But they've played hard all the way through. And in turn, they should get the look of the ping pong ball. Such like, that's why I want to go to the playoffs. I don't care.

[Izzy]

Like, I'm watching a couple Marlins games and they're like, this team fights. They might not be talented, but like, it's just what you say about they're.

[Chris Cody]

Going to lose 97 games.

[Jeremy]

About that team.

[Izzy]

They try hard, they might not win, but they put their their damnedest.

[Stugotz]

According to Eric Reed's just like I just.

[Chris Cody]

Is that Bob Dylan?

[Izzy]

If they. They tried hard. My point is they're bad.

[Chris Cody]

According. According to draftkings, the Heat have a plus 150,000 odds to make the to win the NBA championship, which is 0.07.

[Jeremy]

No one answered my question about what the value is for players to play in the post.

[Chris Cody]

6.6% Chance to get a top three pick pick 9.4 of the top by that.

[Izzy]

So they have like a five times more likely chance to get Cooper flag than win it all.

[Stugotz]

This is why Dan doesn't let Jeremy talk basketball.

[Dan LeBatard]

There you go.

[Jeremy]

This is this conversation.

[Stugotz]

See, he's doing it again.

[Dan LeBatard]

I got. I got top five places. We don't want to see Cooper flag land.

[Stugotz]

Okay.

[Dan LeBatard]

All right. Number five, Philadelphia.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan LeBatard]

You don't get to royally screw up your year and then. And then get Cooper flag at the end of it. No. Number four, Dallas. Same same math there. Number three, San Antonio.

[Stugotz]

Too many number one picks.

[Dan LeBatard]

Too many number one picks. How many? How many number one picks in this?

[Stugotz]

David Robinson, Tim Duncan, Victor Wembanyama.

[Dan LeBatard]

Stop giving them number one. Pick them. Cleveland, Orlando, you've had enough. You should never get number one pick overall again. Number two, Charlotte. I don't want him to disappear. Just fade off into Bolivia.

[Chris Cody]

I feel like the next one feels like very much a disappearing act.

[Dan LeBatard]

And then the number one place I don't want to see him end up Houston by way of Phoenix's pick. Because then Izzy really wouldn't shut the hell up about the Rockets. I have to do a show with this guy every day. And every day it's somehow we're gonna work in how the Rockets and Amen Thompson.

[Stugotz]

That is not true.

[Dan LeBatard]

Sometimes we talk about Detroit every day but Friday.

[Jeremy]

Who would ever wrap everything in the NBA around their one team?

[Izzy]

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