Local Hour: LEBRON TO MIAMI?

Summary

Podcast Summary: The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz Episode: Local Hour: LEBRON TO MIAMI?
Release Date: July 15, 2025
Hosts: Dan Le Batard, Stugotz, Chris Cody, Greg Cody, Mike Ryan

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1. LeBron James Possibly Moving to Miami

[02:00 – 05:00]

The episode kicks off with a heated discussion surrounding recent newspaper articles speculating whether LeBron James might be making a move to the Miami Heat. Chris Cody expresses his surprise and skepticism over the possibility, stating, “I woke up this morning to not one, but two newspaper articles asking whether LeBron to Miami could be a thing” (08:54). The hosts debate the feasibility of such a trade, considering Miami's current team dynamics and financial constraints. Stugotz adds, “There's only two teams that can make money for money swap work,” indicating that only a select few teams could realistically accommodate such a high-profile trade (03:22).

2. Khalil Ware’s Professionalism Under Scrutiny

[05:00 – 12:24]

Transitioning from LeBron’s potential move, the conversation shifts to Khalil Ware, a player whose professionalism has recently been called into question by SPO (presumably the coach or a team official). Chris Cody highlights this development, noting, “SPO mentions for the first time with a private organization… Khalil Ware needs to work on his professionalism” (09:02). The hosts dissect SPO’s rare public criticism, pondering whether this indicates underlying frustrations within the organization about Ware’s performance and attitude. Stugotz counters, suggesting that “This organization doesn't do this,” implying that the public criticism is uncharacteristic and possibly a sign of internal issues (12:24).

3. Local Flavor: Roosters in Downtown Miami

[06:00 – 09:00]

Dan Le Batard brings a local South Florida topic into the conversation: the prevalence of roosters in Downtown Miami. He muses, “Is it something ... can't be something that's somewhere else? Do I have this wrong?” (05:01). The hosts discuss the cultural significance of the roosters, with Stugotz explaining that the large-scale art installations are meant to reflect the community’s real-life presence of roosters, especially around Hispanic neighborhoods. Greg Cody adds humor by noting, “Roosters have taken over Key West” (07:28), debating whether this phenomenon is unique to Miami or seen elsewhere.

4. Voting Mechanics and the All-Star Game

[15:30 – 28:30]

A significant portion of the episode delves into the mechanics and controversies surrounding the All-Star Game voting process. The hosts reminisce about past attempts to influence voting, specifically referencing Louis Brinson. Dan recounts their efforts to get Brinson into the All-Star Game by encouraging listener participation, only to discover that the commissioner's office discards votes deemed unsuitable (34:18). This leads to a broader discussion about the integrity of sports voting systems and the influence of media and fan bases on such processes.

Chris Cody shares a related anecdote: “I really enjoyed the other day watching a video because... they were all great. And right in the middle of it, Bartolo Colon hitting a home run... that was one of the top 10 moments” (28:06), highlighting the sometimes arbitrary nature of award selections. The hosts express frustration over the perceived manipulation and lack of transparency in voting outcomes.

5. Louis Brinson Voting Controversy

[28:30 – 39:30]

Building on the previous segment, the hosts provide a detailed account of the Louis Brinson voting controversy. Dan explains how their attempt to escalate Brinson into the All-Star roster inadvertently led to scrutiny from the commissioner's office, ultimately halting their efforts (34:18). Chris reflects on the ethical implications, questioning the fairness of the voting process and the consequences of media-driven campaigns. Greg emphasizes the importance of maintaining the integrity of such events, stating, “Baseball has to protect the mighty integrity of its game” (36:19).

The discussion underscores the challenges media personalities face when trying to influence official sports decisions and the potential backlash from sports authorities when such efforts are perceived as manipulative or unfair.

6. Teddy Bridgewater’s Coaching and Suspension

[39:30 – 46:21]

Shifting focus to local sports heroes, the conversation turns to Teddy Bridgewater, a celebrated South Florida sports figure. The hosts laud Bridgewater's contributions both on the NFL field and as a volunteer high school football coach. However, they also address his recent suspension due to allegations of providing improper benefits to his team.

Dan elaborates on the specifics: Bridgewater covered various expenses related to the team, including "$14,000 for training camp" and "$9,500 for team pride sets" (43:09). The hosts debate the fairness of the suspension, with Greg advocating for Bridgewater, suggesting that his philanthropic efforts should be celebrated rather than penalized. Chris raises concerns about the potential negative impact on other schools that lack such high-profile coaches, highlighting the disparity in resources and support.

Stugotz points out that state regulations now allow high school athletes to receive NIL (Name, Image, Likeness) money, presenting a more equitable framework for compensation. The hosts collectively argue that Bridgewater’s actions should be viewed as generous and community-driven, rather than improper, advocating for his legacy and contributions to South Florida sports.

7. Conclusion

[46:30 – End]

In the final segment, the hosts engage in a light-hearted but intense exchange of mock insults, demonstrating their camaraderie and the often playful dynamic of the show. They briefly touch upon upcoming events like the ESPYs and express nostalgic sentiments about past interactions and votes. The episode wraps up with reflections on the discussed topics, emphasizing the blend of local sports culture, media influence, and personal anecdotes that characterize the show.

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Notable Quotes

• “Are you kidding me?” – Chris Cody discussing LeBron's potential move (02:00)
• “We did not want to include you in a package for Kevin Durant.” – Stugotz on trade negotiations (22:43)
• “It's the classic blended iced coffee you know and love now topped with a creamy layer of handcrafted brown sugar cold foam.” – Chris Cody promoting Starbucks' Strato Frappuccino (01:13)
• “I have a lot to say about that.” – Chris Cody segueing from LeBron to ESPYs (09:50)
• “He needs to change everything about his game and his approach to it.” – Critique of Khalil Ware (05:00)
• “Always the first question. Teddy, Teddy Bridgewater.” – Transition to Bridgewater’s discussion (43:46)

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Key Takeaways

• LeBron James' Potential Move: Speculation about LeBron joining the Miami Heat is highly debated, with doubts about its feasibility.

• Khalil Ware's Professionalism: Public criticism of Ware by SPO indicates possible internal team frustrations and concerns over his behavior and performance.

• Local Culture: Roosters in Downtown Miami symbolize the area's Hispanic heritage and add unique local flavor.

• Voting Integrity: Attempts to influence All-Star Game voting reveal challenges in maintaining the integrity of sports awards.

• Teddy Bridgewater's Legacy: Despite his suspension, Bridgewater's contributions as a volunteer coach are celebrated, highlighting the impact of local heroes on community sports.

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This episode of The Dan Le Batard Show with Stugotz offers a comprehensive look into current sports rumors, player conduct issues, local cultural elements, and the complexities of sports media influence. Through engaging discussions and candid exchanges, the hosts provide listeners with in-depth analysis and diverse perspectives on pressing sports topics.

Transcript

[Dan Le Batard]

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[Stugotz]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Dan Le Batard]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cody]

Hello.

[Chris Cody]

United for a Greg Cody Tuesday, old fashioned style. And Jeremy is also here.

[Greg Cody]

Huh? Wow.

[Chris Cody]

Hey, but the nostalgia, this. You don't understand what happened to me this morning. That piece of confetti has been flowing all morning for me because I wake up on what is traditionally one of the worst sports weeks there's ever been to not one, but two newspaper articles, old fashioned saying lebron to Miami, question mark. And I'm like, are you kidding me?

[Greg Cody]

We are back.

[Chris Cody]

Are you. Wait a minute. Are you joking? And it's basically just a scenario where it's like, well, where else is he gonna go? Not one, but two newspaper articles.

[Greg Cody]

That's ridiculous. It is. I mean, just the other day, ESPN has a big analytical piece listing four teams where he might go and Miami's not even one of them. What are we doing?

[Stugotz]

There's only two teams that can make money for money swap work. Jeremy and I were workshopping this in the bullpen after Norm Powell's acqu. Your boy is back. Because vibes have kind of.

[Chris Cody]

You're back. No, no, no. It took Norm Powell.

[Stugotz]

All it took was a little small. I. I saw Dan criticizing it. Norm Powell's a tipping point. Yeah, Doing. Doing something positive was a tipping point.

[Mike Ryan]

Welcome back.

[Stugotz]

I'm still upset about this Kevin Durant pursuit, especially since we didn't want to trade Khalil Ware. And then SPO spoke about him and he's like, basically, he needs to change everything about his game and his approach to it.

[Mike Ryan]

Don't worry. He did 21 and 15 last night.

[Stugotz]

Being. I don't. I don't really get it, but, you know, Miami Heat have two bad contracts so that they can trade and just straight up do the money thing with la. Not a lot of teams can do that. And then LA doesn't have to worry about a pesky little buyout.

[Mike Ryan]

Specifically the money being expiring after next year because reportedly that is what the Lakers want is no money beyond the year.

[Chris Cody]

But come on, man.

[Dan Le Batard]

Them and the Clippers.

[Chris Cody]

The way that you're assembling that now has. You guys have in the most magical of absurd turd sports radio situations where it's always. It's always, I'm going to trade my bag of nothing for the most important thing. That's regional sports radio. You're not telling me. Rosier and Wiggins straight up for LeBron. That's what that gets it done. Dana.

[Stugotz]

We'll staple a second to it. Give a little second. How funny, how perfect would it be at the end of this Terry Rozier story arc? It ends with a reacquisition of the game's greatest player.

[Chris Cody]

I will not do that show today.

[Stugotz]

We'll throw in Wayne Simeon.

[Greg Cody]

Wayne Simeon.

[Chris Cody]

You got to be. You guys remember when we did shows about how it is that you trade Omar Yurtseven for Kevin Durant?

[Stugotz]

That's right. Take one. Cook say so we're not putting him in the piece. That's.

[Chris Cody]

So now you guys have created the scenario and Iron Barry have lent credence to it by writing an article. Hey, he fan base, Can I interest you in. Well, we'll add Norm Powell and Wiggins and Rosie are straight up from LeBron.

[Stugotz]

That's a good trade. I like it.

[Chris Cody]

This is the Dan Levator show with the Stugats.

[Dan Le Batard]

Podcast.

[Chris Cody]

I will get to LeBron to the Miami Heat in a second, but I want to ask all of you a question. I drove in this morning and I was marveling, as I often do in South Florida about what a weird place we are. And a lot of people who listen to this show so say that I too often describe something as uniquely Miami when it's something that's all over the Americas, all over the world. But I wanna ask you guys genuinely if you believe that in downtown, in any other major metropolis in our United States, you could drive in through downtown and get this particular video and sound and get it from 50 roosters downtown or 500 roosters downtown, because we have more roosters down than pigeons. Tell me this is something that you guys can imagine in any other major American city downtown. Is it something. It can't be something that's somewhere else? Do I have this wrong?

[Stugotz]

I would love. I mean, we have a pretty big fan base that's spread out. I would like to know if anyone in the, in the YouTube chat right now has roosters walking around their downtown. The biggest comp that I've ever seen compared to Miami is Key West. You'll see plenty of roosters walking down Key West.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, but they just came from over here. They were all here first.

[Stugotz]

Yeah, they went down the seven mile range.

[Chris Cody]

They're like, we don't want to be in that part of America. We want to be in this part of America. And this is as far south as it gets. But I don't understand. And, and this is Billy. I don't know if you know Hispanic galliotual history, but this has been something that is so for a long time. And you will see giant roosters all over Galleau Cho and South Florida for a reason. I'm assuming it's that reason. I'm assuming there. There is a. I guess we could ask Ron McGill later. I don't know why they're here, but this isn't anywhere else. Right.

[Dan Le Batard]

Real roosters are the sculptures.

[Chris Cody]

The sculptures that are in celebration of the real roosters.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's like an art installation. It's art. Like, why did someone tape banana to a wall? Art.

[Greg Cody]

Yep.

[Dan Le Batard]

You should get art. Okay.

[Chris Cody]

But bananas are everywhere. The rooster being specific.

[Dan Le Batard]

Roosters everywhere Downtown Des Moines is probably.

[Chris Cody]

So you don't know the history. Okay, thanks for the contribution.

[Stugotz]

Well, I imagine the. The large scale art installations are to reflect what is happening in the community, which is actual hacktual roosters walking around everywhere. If you go to Marlins park, there's a Bunch of roosters around Marlins Park.

[Greg Cody]

But amplifying what Mike said, roosters have taken over Key West. You go to Key west now? I love Key West. We go there as tourists a few times a year. You see roosters now in sloppy joes, ordering drinks. I mean, they have taken over the city, and it's like they're the symbol of Key west in a way that I don't think roosters are in Miami except for a few Hispanic neighborhoods.

[Chris Cody]

Please turn that off. I think that's gonna start annoying people. If it hasn't already, put it out in the poll. Have roosters taken over Key West? These were over there by the Metro Rail. Greg, can you take that mask off, please? Why are you wearing that mask? It's muffling the sound that we're getting on.

[Greg Cody]

You may have heard, Dan, there's a global pandemic going on. I wanted to protect myself and others around me, so that's why I was wearing the mask.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. But there is. We taped the show in 2021.

[Mike Ryan]

Fake news.

[Dan Le Batard]

We mask shaming Greg now?

[Chris Cody]

No, I just would like him.

[Stugotz]

I'd like to hear him wearing a mask, though.

[Greg Cody]

I would like to take off the mask.

[Chris Cody]

That was yesterday.

[Greg Cody]

It's very hot.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. It is hot in here. We're having some problems with the equipment.

[Greg Cody]

Shall I take off the mask?

[Chris Cody]

You just announced that you were going to take it off. You can do all of it quietly and by yourself. I just need your audio to be slightly better. Billy, it would be helpful to me if you would find out for me why it is there are art installations of rooster.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's a celebration of the neighborhood's Cuban culture and way to attract tourists. It's part of the Rooster walk project.

[Chris Cody]

Thank you. He was ahead of you. Thank you. I woke up this morning to not one, but two newspaper articles asking whether LeBron to Miami could be a thing yesterday on the show. I just want to explore this with you guys for. For old times sake. Just because I can't believe it's here. And it just makes me smile. It make. Is this the year anniversary of the assassination attempt on Trump? Yeah. Okay.

[Stugotz]

Not today. It was, I think over the weekend on Sunday.

[Chris Cody]

It makes. I can't believe a year's gone by, but it makes me smile to think of this particular week in the middle of summers. To God, when our show was almost literally built upon LeBron to Miami. Everything our show became is almost literally built on. LeBron came to Miami to wake up this morning on a week when so much of sports is on vacation.

[Greg Cody]

Yep.

[Chris Cody]

It's just the All Star Game and people yelling about whether that guy should be in or whether a kid should be stealing home runs during the Home Run Derby. I have a lot to say about that. We'll get to it in a second. But the manner that I get from heaven is not merely that SPO just volunteers. A day ago, I skipped right past this story yesterday. SPO mentions for the first time with a private organization in which I hadn't seen any of the insiders report on the following. SPO says for the first time, Khalil Ware needs to work on his professionalism. And as soon as I heard the word professionalism, I immediately went to, whoa, Hasan Whiteside. And that SPO did that to me. That wasn't there before. SPO did it to me and then did it to him because none of us were there. None of the insiders were were reporting anything about SPO volunteering. We got a guy who needs to be more professional. And the last time I heard that kind of stuff, it's when Hasan Whiteside's leaving his car open and there's a giant machine gun in the back. And Hasan Whiteside is being just maximum Hassan Whiteside, just young kid in the league before he's ready to be an adult.

[Stugotz]

That's really not something that you want to hear. Weeks after the fan base is frustrated that they didn't acquire Kevin Durant, one of the rumored places that they wouldn't go the bridge too far was adding Khaleo Ware to the piece, to the mix. And two weeks later, to have your head coach who very rarely says things like that, saying he needs to improve his approach to the game, he needs to improve aspects of his game, makes you wonder aloud. Well, you know, who doesn't? Kevin Durant. What are we doing here?

[Chris Cody]

This is a volunteering of information that this organization doesn't usually do. It is purposeful. That man particularly is, I think, the most savvy, careful person around the media I've ever seen in this market. Doesn't even do. Has to be available to the media twice a day, is bored by it, entertains it, but doesn't do any of the extra stuff. And that was all purposeful and something that they don't do very often. And when I'm telling you, Stugart, when that lands on me, as you just volunteered information that turned a dude into Hasan Whiteside on me just because you're the one saying it and it's that word and it's this organization, I hadn't Seen that reported anywhere by all of these insiders in the information business. And I was taken aback by the fact that he did it. And I didn't even mention it yesterday. And then today, when I was going to mention it, LeBron stopped spot.

[Stugotz]

I mean, it was a totally calculated move by spo. He does not do these things. And it made me feel like, well, is this organization feeling the heat a little bit? Because they got criticized for not really considering putting where in that package. Fan base got frustrated, and now SPO is speaking in ways that we haven't seen him do it publicly. By the way, the concerns about Ware's approach to the game should have started and ended with this tattoo that he has on his bicep. It's quite frankly, the worst tattoo in all of sports. And as a guy with a Lee Corso tattoo, I feel like I'm an authority on bad tattoos. That right there, terrible tattoo.

[Chris Cody]

The loser is the word that is etched on his bicep. And then the S in loser is covered by a V to make him a lover. But you can see the S and it's back there, but now it's the red V. So he's a lover, not a loser, huh?

[Mike Ryan]

The thing with this sort of public calling out with SPO is the reason you don't hear it from information insiders is maybe because it really just frustrated SPO to see the lack of aggressiveness from where in the summer league in particular. He started the summer league being essentially absent from the offense, not really doing a lot on defense. And since being called out, it's 219 and then 2115 in back to back games. And when talking about it, he just said, it's something I gotta bring everybody every day. And like I said, I will. It's more of a presence that's being felt out there. I just got to bring it. That's it. Plain and simple. I think that was a challenge not only to where, but potentially to bam at a bio as a leader as well, to say, hey, man, you got to take this young buck and do the same things with him that you, Donis Haslam, did with you.

[Greg Cody]

This when SPO is waving the heat culture flag it in this case, it tells me that behind the scenes, there has been a frustration with where building to the point where it finally erupts in a public comment. I don't think this is anything that's particularly recent. It's got to be something that's been frustrating the heat for many months about this kid. I would think why do you go.

[Chris Cody]

With a loser tattoo in the first place? I mean, it's an odd thing to tattoo on yourself. I am a loser. You're right. But I don't think the V was put there because he realized his mistake after the fact and got a second tattoo. I think that was an original idea that he had all together.

[Stugotz]

Well, actually, it's not an original idea. This template is quite popular. You'll see it a lot. That exact same style over the Internet. He was clearly influenced by it. But it's a. It's a bad tattoo because, yes, before you put the V on, you're tattooing loser on your bicep, and then you finish the job. But you briefly got loser. I mean, you still got loser on your arm.

[Chris Cody]

I thought maybe he got pranked.

[Stugotz]

It could also be like, he's a loser five times over.

[Greg Cody]

He, like, woke up and like, what?

[Dan Le Batard]

Who did this? Oh, man.

[Chris Cody]

Roman numeral five. You think he went Roman numeral five? Not just merely a loser, but five time multiplier with the V. Okay, it is a bad decision. I still maintain, though, the worst tattoo in the history of the league. I think it was Yao Ming who revealed this. That Kenyon Martin, Was it Kenya? Martin Kmart had a tattoo that he thought said warrior in a Chinese symbol. And Yao Ming said it said noodles. Oh. But only Yao knew that. I mean, well, not only Yao, a lot of people.

[Greg Cody]

You understand what I'm saying? Noodles are great. I was gonna say, if it's gonna.

[Chris Cody]

Be a word that's not a bad mistake.

[Greg Cody]

Word.

[Chris Cody]

Could be worse. Yeah, I suppose it could. Yes. When it comes to you guys.

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[Chris Cody]

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[Mike Ryan]

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[Stugotz]

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[Stugotz]

I'm not going to apologize. I'm.

[Greg Cody]

I wouldn't expect you to apologize. Then you're a giant infant, okay? You have no control over your emotions. You have no control over your emotions when you're calling someone, you know an idiot. I don't deserve it, okay? I don't deserve it.

[Stugotz]

All right?

[Greg Cody]

And you're a fool for saying it.

[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cody]

You're a fool. I was kind of following you.

[Stugotz]

Locking in right now you're locking in on us.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

All right, let's drop the gloves, pal.

[Chris Cody]

Let's drop.

[Stugotz]

You should be thanking me for what? Every day.

[Greg Cody]

For what?

[Stugotz]

For what I've done around this character. And the second gets real for you. You want to come at me and call me a fool, huh? No, no, no.

[Chris Cody]

Seriously, Jeremy.

[Stugotz]

Seriously, pal. I've added 10 years to your career.

[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cody]

The ST.

[Chris Cody]

Getting away from ware though, because while I find this small part of it interesting, right, Because I don't think it's just public motivation, I would say that SPO knows the power of his words when I say he's a very media savvy person and he knows whether it's fair or not. Cuz I don't think it's fair that when he places that there for wear. And I as a journalist am making the mental leap with a single word from there to Hasan Whiteside. And I'm not the only one who is doing that because of how unus it is for this organization to do things like. Like that where. Where he's saying already, we know you have talent, but you're not fitting here with what it is that we do because you're not professional every day. There's not a lot of insults actually that you can give one of the guys growing up in that furnace across the street surrounded by roosters that. That is bigger than that one. You're not professional. But don't you think SPO makes the insult because he knows the player can handle the insult? Well, you'd like to think that, right? Like he made the mistake with Whiteside and he's not going to make the same mistake.

[Stugotz]

He'd like to see if he's.

[Chris Cody]

My only point is. My only point on it is because he Made the mistake with Whiteside. This can't be Whiteside, guys. Whiteside is one of the all time knuckleheads in the history of the league. I'm being unfair by making the leap to Whiteside. But SPO did that to me. I didn't. This organization did that to me because of how rarely they say we've got an unprofessional in the building. We've got somebody here who represents all the things that you done. As Haslam isn't.

[Greg Cody]

But how many times did SPO have this conversation with Ware privately before it came to this? That. That's what I'm getting at. This is something that implies it has really been building and building and building to finally get to this point.

[Chris Cody]

I guess my point is the stain on this one is hard to get out. It's there now that even. Even if he goes off for the next six months, it's still. The coach volunteered something on an employee. An employee, a very careful coach planted something. I know you could all look at this and say it doesn't mean anything. You can. It's a silly little thing in the middle of summer. This organization doesn't do this. And this is a piece that they are counting on, not unlike what BAM grew into, to be something that proves that they're right about we shouldn't trade this for Kevin Durant. And so they're alerting him now by publicly shaming him in a way that's unusual for the organization and unusual for that man, that particular man. Because Riley does some of this. That guy's gotta live with it, though. That guy's got it in his locker room. Riley does it from on high. Riley wanders around the building and shouts it from on high. But that guy has to live with his people. And he just told everyone else in the locker room that they're young guys, not professional. And then he told us too, which they usually don't let that out of the locker room.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Suppose a Pat Riley disciple. And Pat would correct me if I'm wrong. He would occasionally challenge people publicly in the media. It wouldn't necessarily land great all the time. SPO very rarely does something like this. And it could just be an isolated incident. It could have happened if the Flames weren't as high around this organization as quite frankly as they've ever really been. But I'm not ignoring the timing this again. I do think there's part of it. Hey, we had an opportunity to get one of the game's greatest players, a player that we have flirted with multiple times over and never brought here. And you were a tipping point. We did not want to cross that bridge. We did not want to include you in a package for Kevin Durant. You need to reward the faith that we have in you with a professionalism and an approach that makes us have faith that you can meet your ceiling.

[Chris Cody]

I think this just reveals that SPO voted to keep Ware and now he's feeling the pressure of, we had a five headed thing here. I voted to keep Ware along with probably Nick Erison. So now I'm feeling the pressure of, hey, I turned down Durant for you.

[Dan Le Batard]

Get your shit together, guys. The Home Run Derby was yesterday. The all star games today. ESPYs are tomorrow. Who gives a shit about the Miami Heat, right?

[Greg Cody]

Whoa.

[Chris Cody]

Well, LeBron to the Heat.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's not happening.

[Chris Cody]

We're talking about Khalil Ware, though. He responded last night 21 and 15.

[Stugotz]

Many are saying to Billy's point, this LeBron to the Heat thing is like really manufactured by people that are just looking at numbers and trying to make it work. But I mean, LeBron's at the Cavs facility. You know, there's very clearly, I think, and yesterday he was congratulating Brandon Weems. He is openly flirting with Cleveland. It seems like that that's the move and we're just trying to get in the conversation. Almost to a sad point.

[Greg Cody]

It's pandering by the media and I hate to say that. Look, a couple of months ago at the onset of summer, I wrote a column with the names Durant and Giannis in the headline. So I'm not, I'm not above pandering. But at this point, when you say LeBron to the Heat question mark, it seems so preposterous that I don't even know if it should be lent credence.

[Chris Cody]

Okay. It is delightful though, as we wonder still about his options or lack of options. But to Billy's point though, the All Star Game and Shane Gillis, he made me laugh because he's gonna do the ESPYs here and he's pretty self aware and he says that he hasn't done very much prep, but he just laughed to himself, realizing how funny it is. Him in a tuxedo just walking across a big stage. He's like, that's going to be so awkward. As someone who's not terribly comfortable in his own body, he's going to be walking in front of athletes, standing in front of of them, and he doesn't know how to make the walk on the stage. Without appearing to walk like a dork. Cuz he walks like he walks. How, how long a walk is that gonna be? Where he's gotta do his move of moving his hands to the side before he lands in a nervous place. Performing before athletes he respects.

[Stugotz]

I caught up on the dialogue around it. I was surprised at your take that he was. That he might be afraid to go at athletes because he reveres them so much. Billy was smart to point out the Saban, the Indiana, the Alabama Jones line made that so wonderfully awkward. It's. I. I revisit that clip. I don't think Shane's gonna be scared one bit.

[Dan Le Batard]

Who's asking him to wear a tuxedo at the ESPYs? It's the ESPYs.

[Chris Cody]

I don't go for a tux for that. I don't know why it is he was worried about just the walk on the stage. He didn't seem terribly worried about the monologue. Because he's funny. Well, he's good at that. He's got writers. Well, it's hard. It's a hard thing to be good at. 10 minutes funny, lonely on a stage. Most people aren't brave enough to do that. Right.

[Stugotz]

It's stand up. Comedians are pretty good at it.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Dan Le Batard]

It's kind of what they do.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah. And. And so he's got to get out there and perform. There is pressure on it, Right? We haven't seen Chris Rock since that Netflix special. Like there, there's pressure on doing that. It's not the easiest thing in the world.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think it's because of pressure. I think Chris Rock just got paid and now he doesn't need to go around doing all this stuff.

[Chris Cody]

And you're interested in the ESPYs, you're going to be okay. So you brought it up to just get us off LeBron. Get us off where?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, Big dumper.

[Dan Le Batard]

I will admit I haven't voted on the SPS yet. Have polls closed yet? Because I can vote live now on air if you guys would like. We can make it a poll thing or you guys can do it together. You guys want to vote for the ESPYs together? I remember like as a youth going to like McDonald's or Burger King or whatever, voting for the Nickelodeon Kids Choice Awards, going to the All Star or voting for the All Star Game at stadiums, voting for the sps. It used to be so much fun. Now elections are all about politics.

[Greg Cody]

People love voting, don't they?

[Stugotz]

There was something cool about going to a ballpark and getting the paper ballot.

[Chris Cody]

That's your take. People love voting. No, I wouldn't say that. I wouldn't say that. People love voting.

[Mike Ryan]

We can't anymore.

[Stugotz]

They oddly did in 2020. Look into that.

[Chris Cody]

I don't know why you would look into a camera in 2025 and say people love voting. There's no statistical proof of what you're saying.

[Dan Le Batard]

Love island got a ton of a meaningless vote.

[Chris Cody]

How about this? People love just like, oh, two options. What do I like, chocolate or vanilla?

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, that's what the SPS live on. They have 19 categories and they allow you to vote, and all of a sudden you're voting for, you know, a guy riding a bicycle. Four options. You've never heard of any of them. You're picking the name you hate the least. And people love voting. I stand.

[Chris Cody]

Put it on the poll. Juju, do people like voting on. Polls at Lebatard show you can still.

[Dan Le Batard]

Vote on the ESPYs today. I'm on the website right now. I'm doing it. 18 categories. If you want to do this real quick. Best male athletes, Saquon, Josh Allen, SGA or Otaniquan.

[Greg Cody]

I went Saquon. Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

It's not voting. Hasn't closed. They're still down.

[Dan Le Batard]

That looks crazy.

[Chris Cody]

It's like suey voting.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yes.

[Chris Cody]

You know, all right, well, I, I was delighted if you guys could. I don't know if they take any write ins or if you could foul up that vote at all by just voting for things that shouldn't be winning.

[Greg Cody]

Right.

[Chris Cody]

I really enjoyed the other day watching a video because while I don't love, I don't love voting the way that you do. I will watch lists on video if you give me the moments of the last decade. And I was watching a video the other day of the top 10 moments in sports of the last decade. They were all great. They were all moving. And right in the middle of it, Bartolo Colon hitting a home run. Wow. And it was one of the top 10 moments. And I'm like, that's a well made list. Yes. That belongs deserving. Yes. And so I'm number 10. Like in the middle. Yes, right in the middle. It was like number six. And I'm like, that's where it should be. Yes. Maybe slightly higher. It was the first home run. It was a big fat guy running around the bases. That would make fun of for a few years for being a big fat guy.

[Dan Le Batard]

Psa. If you hit skip on the SB voting because you want to go back, you're thinking about it. You can't go back. I now am no longer eligible to vote for Best mail at Flaw.

[Chris Cody]

Wow.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Controversy.

[Chris Cody]

Billy, I was remiss yesterday that you were not here because I have fallen into an algorithm and I don't know if this has happened to you, where Jose Canseco material just continues to end up in my feed and I can't stop watching it. Even though makes some of it makes me sad and some of it's great and funny. And we were talking yesterday just about the fact that how rare it is for a Cuban meathead to rise to the top of sports. How difficult it is to explain what Jose Canseco is to a generation of children who would have no idea what it is to have a Cuban superhero cartoon meathead. Not grown up. Never grown up. Still not grown up.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is that my elementary school's fair one year? Yeah. You pay for an autograph of Jose Canseco.

[Stugotz]

Was it Ozzy?

[Dan Le Batard]

We didn't. We didn't pay for it. It was pricey. It was like $40.

[Stugotz]

No, but do you know if it was actually Jose or. He sent me.

[Chris Cody]

You never know, Mike.

[Dan Le Batard]

I don't think I was there the day that it happened. It was too much of a thing. And it was right by the old Jose Canseco street before they took that down and they renamed it Ram Road.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, in disgrace. He had a street.

[Dan Le Batard]

Some of these catego think are created just to give specific people awards, like best record breaking performance. Kevin Durant, U.S. olympic basketball all time scorer. Please, why would I vote for that over Ovechkin, NHL all time goals leader. Caitlin Clark, WNBA single game assists leader, single season assist leader.

[Chris Cody]

That would be wild. If a single game assist beat. Let's do that. What I'm saying is let's see if our people can go and contaminate the vote. No, but that would be great if. Indeed, in a small category where there's not a lot of voting, if our listeners can affect the vote, we can have a Louis Brinson moment.

[Dan Le Batard]

Is this like the VMAs where they just award whoever shows up?

[Stugotz]

We don't know enough about it, so probably.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah, we think so.

[Stugotz]

It certainly improves your chances, but yeah, that would be great. Let's vote for Kevin Durant over a guy breaking a Gretzky record. I voted for Breakable then.

[Chris Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Stugotz]

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[Chris Cody]

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[Stugotz]

Speed slow.

[Chris Cody]

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[Greg Cody]

You're nobody.

[Chris Cody]

You are an infant.

[Greg Cody]

You have no skin.

[Chris Cody]

I literally put together Mike freaking stage for your toenail. I am your career right now, pal. Look at me. I am your career. No st. You.

[Stugotz]

You have messed with McDavid and now.

[Chris Cody]

You'Re messing with me and I'm more dangerous, pal. This is the Dan lebatar show with the Stugach. Forgive me. I want to get to something, but it's now the second time in a couple of weeks we've mentioned the Louis Brinson stuff, and I don't know if the audience knows all the details there. And I know I don't know all the details there because I think you guys got in trouble with people at ESPN because we. I think we actually affected the voting one year and we were going to get Louis Brinson in the All Star Game until somebody in the commissioner's office came sniffing around like, we can't have that happen. And then in the shadows, I'm. Wait, hold on a second. Second time to throw away all journalistic credibility and get reckless.

[Greg Cody]

Here is something we like to call reckless speculation.

[Chris Cody]

You're good. What happened there? What happened? What's the Lewis Brinson situation? What's the truth?

[Dan Le Batard]

He's a podcast now.

[Chris Cody]

He does.

[Greg Cody]

Really?

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Huh.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Interesting.

[Stugotz]

Sweet loot.

[Greg Cody]

Nice.

[Dan Le Batard]

What's the truth about the Lewis Brinson thing? I don't know know what happened there. We started voting for him. We were asking because you could vote for the All Star Game. So we wanted to vote for Louis Brinson, who the Marlins got in the trade for Kristen Yellich, who went on to win the MVP that season.

[Chris Cody]

And he was not having an All Star. He was under two. He was hitting under.200 at a time when no one was doing that. That was back before baseball changed and it was everybody.

[Dan Le Batard]

Well, some say that, you know, he was. He was a pioneer in that sense where he didn't worry about the batting.

[Chris Cody]

Average ahead of his time.

[Dan Le Batard]

Granted, he didn't have the homer worry.

[Stugotz]

About the power either.

[Chris Cody]

The joke was we were going to get Louis Brinson in the All Star Game because he had the lowest batting average in the league and clearly didn't belong in the All Star Game.

[Dan Le Batard]

No, but it was just kind of like, I mean, yeah, that's kind of what it was, but also like the NHL, like the season before had done a similar thing. So we thought, why can't we do this with a Marlin at the All Star Game and see if we can get him in and get the most votes? And then it became somewhat of a movement and people around the country were taking Louis Prince and All Star Game signs to the games and sending us pictures. And he, he never showed up anywhere in the voting and we would do it. And I honestly, one of my largest professional regrets is that whole thing. But we were, we were doing, we were doing that and then we kept wondering every time, like the ballots would come out, like, why are we not seeing him anywhere? We know people are actually doing this and how many people are actually voting for the MLB All Star Game in the year of our Lord 2018? So we thought that we'd, I mean, just show up in the top. It was suspicious how he didn't show up anywhere. And then we started reading, like the fine print on the rules and regulations and it said that the commissioner's office can throw at any votes that they deem whatever. It's basically like we can consider any votes we want and throw out any votes we don't want. And then we read that on air and then we got. Okay, we're done playing with this now on ESPN Radio. Thank you. It was a fun while it lasted. But no more mentions of this.

[Chris Cody]

That.

[Dan Le Batard]

Because I don't know if you remember, Dan, we had a couple months prior to that, an interview with Rob Manfred, the commissioner of baseball, that did not go well. So after that, they then did not want us to follow that up with accusing the commissioner's office of potentially throwing out votes in the All Star Game ballots.

[Greg Cody]

Baseball has to protect the mighty integrity of its game. That's why they just let in a guy who's played five games into the All Star Game game. Five career games.

[Chris Cody]

The worst interview a professional sports commissioner has ever done. I'd like to get to Billy's top five professionals.

[Dan Le Batard]

He wasn't entirely to blame for that.

[Stugotz]

Same Vince McMahon almost killed Bob Casas one time.

[Chris Cody]

Top five professional regrets. I didn't realize that that was one of them. I would love to dig around until you and I would do dueling.

[Dan Le Batard]

Top five, not top five. It's one of my largest professional regrets just because. Because I didn't consider the fact that there was a human being on the other side of this stunt.

[Stugotz]

Right. We never really got full buy in from Louis Brinson.

[Chris Cody]

Well, this is where Billy felt the worst. Right. Because Brinson was hitting.168. And then at the time, this is the part, as I recall, that got Billy to say, you know what? This isn't very nice, what I've done here. It's when he was quoted as saying, I appreciate the support, guys, but y' all go vote for JT Real Muto or Starlin Castro.

[Greg Cody]

Someone who deserves it.

[Chris Cody]

Luckily, we could vote for both of them.

[Dan Le Batard]

Yeah, you could vote for all of them. There are different positions.

[Chris Cody]

Yes. But he then said, I appreciate the love. I haven't done my job. And it was that last sentence that Billy was like, okay.

[Dan Le Batard]

I was checking in from afar. I would ask reporters that were in the locker room, like, how's this going over?

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, he didn't think it was funny. No.

[Dan Le Batard]

They were like, I don't think he's aware enough to realize. It's like, okay, that's not nice to say, but now I don't feel as bad.

[Chris Cody]

Yes, well, but that attitude. Yes. When I was in major league clubhouses a long time ago, and I would stare at Rene Lachman after writing a column questioning all of his decisions in the fifth inning latch. And he would storm across the clubhouse and. And be yelling at me because he's like, you don't take any of this seriously enough. And I'm looking at him and I'm like, you're in your underwear. Like, there's a certain respect that baseball has for baseball that we don't have for baseball.

[Stugotz]

I mean, it all worked out in the. And Louis Brinson, now successful podcaster with a very real podcast.

[Dan Le Batard]

Listen up.

[Chris Cody]

Time to think fast. Is this a real or fake podcast? All right, who are we playing the game with? Is this with Cody? Who are the participants?

[Stugotz]

Ah, you guys figure it out there. You just weigh in. First one. Papa Squat with Jonathan Lacroix.

[Chris Cody]

Papa Squad.

[Greg Cody]

I would say, no, it's too brilliant, too good a name.

[Stugotz]

Papa Squat with former outspoken catcher Jonathan Lacroix.

[Chris Cody]

Such a good idea. Who were you doing? That was just a helpful tip for the audience.

[Stugotz]

Sometimes I read the. The podcast bios.

[Chris Cody]

Can I hear it again?

[Stugotz]

Just Papa Squat.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Jonathan Lacroix.

[Greg Cody]

Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Real. No, it's fake. Oh, my God.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Right. With Winky Wright.

[Greg Cody]

Yes. Who's Winky? Right.

[Stugotz]

Boxer from the early 2000s. Pretty good.

[Greg Cody]

I say yes. What's the name?

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Right. With Winky.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right?

[Chris Cody]

You can ask him to repeat it every time I say. I say it's real. What are you doing? Stugats. What are you. What are you doing? I just need to hear it again. We're typing while he was talking.

[Stugotz]

Yeah. Look it up.

[Chris Cody]

Winky rights.

[Stugotz]

I mean, there. Yeah. Computer Wright. But it's his last name.

[Chris Cody]

No, that's not.

[Dan Le Batard]

That's Nick Wright's 50 podcasts.

[Stugotz]

That is a fake podcast.

[Greg Cody]

Too bad. Too bad. Winky. Yeah.

[Stugotz]

Slab Lab with Dallas Braden. Slab Lab with Dallas Braden.

[Chris Cody]

I'm playing percentages. One of these has to be real. I'm gonna say it's real. Oh, wait, really? You think a group of people got together in a marketing mood, and they're like, what do we call the mound? What do we call it? We want to teach people about the mountain. The slab. What rhymes with slab? Slab Lab.

[Stugotz]

It's real.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah.

[Greg Cody]

Wow.

[Stugotz]

Slab Lab with Dallas Braden.

[Greg Cody]

Yep. Wow.

[Chris Cody]

Know your podcasts.

[Stugotz]

Rough Housing with Kelvin Gastelum. Wow.

[Chris Cody]

Rough housing.

[Greg Cody]

Can I hear it again?

[Stugotz]

Ruffhausen with Kelvin Gastelum.

[Chris Cody]

Mr. Gantz, this isn't a spelling bee. Can I hear it again?

[Dan Le Batard]

No.

[Greg Cody]

I say no. Fake pod.

[Chris Cody]

Ooh, Real pod.

[Greg Cody]

No.

[Stugotz]

Fake pod.

[Greg Cody]

Oh.

[Stugotz]

C ball. Get ball with David Pollock.

[Chris Cody]

That's rising.

[Greg Cody]

Yes.

[Chris Cody]

C ball. Get ball is rising.

[Stugotz]

That is a real pod. Dan's all over these charts trying to win at this game. Game. I don't know if he's. It's because he owns media business.

[Chris Cody]

What's next? Let me see if I got a papa squad.

[Stugotz]

The more, you know, with Al Grow.

[Chris Cody]

It should be that. Should I listen to it? No, I know you would not. Al Grow one of the great boring interviews of all time. You would listen to it.

[Greg Cody]

He grows on you.

[Stugotz]

Damn. That should have been the fake name.

[Chris Cody]

It's grows on you with Al Gro. It's absolutely something I'd be more interested in.

[Stugotz]

Can you imagine him installing a podcast mic locally here?

[Chris Cody]

The controversial story that I wanted to get to that really celebrates one of the great South Florida sports careers of all time, Teddy Bridgewater. What he has accomplished from Miami's streets in 15 years and.

[Greg Cody]

And.

[Chris Cody]

And Miramar's streets. What he has accomplished in the. In the pros was impressive enough. Just getting to the pros and being one of the few People allowed to play quarterback. But then coming here locally, becoming a state champion football coach. And now after he's left, being suspended, being suspended for an investigation of, you know, he evidently was using some of his wealth and helping out the kids.

[Greg Cody]

Imagine that.

[Chris Cody]

And they won the state championship last year. Yeah, but it's like this is rare instance. I mean, you get so few of these where an athlete is getting suspended and everyone is siding with the athlete. Where Teddy Bridgewater is like, I'll take my suspension. You guys don't realize I don't work there anymore. You can't suspend me. And also, I did a nice thing for people because I'm rich.

[Dan Le Batard]

So he was a volunteer coach. So he didn't get a salary. And the suspension, I believe is for improper benefits, which sounds, you know, not great until you see what the improper benefit were. And according to Jordan Schultz, Bridgewater personally covered $14,000 for training camp, $9,500 for team pride sets, $2,000 a week for pregame meals, $1,300 a week for recovery, $700 a week for Ubers and more. And that's what he is being suspended for.

[Chris Cody]

Yeah, he ran a football factory and won the state championship because he came out of, out of the huddle as a professional quarterback with millions and decided to run a little local team to the state championship. And he didn't take a salary. I mean, little local team, the rag, they're better than the Jets. I mean, but like him, he was like talked about as the head coach of the team. Like you, I would hear Big Dog, that's, oh, no, you can't hear the girl treating you a technicality where it's just like he is the head coach, but technically I'm a volunteer. You got to work on that, Rusty. Big Dog, how the lake streeting you. Yes.

[Stugotz]

Always the first question.

[Chris Cody]

Teddy, Teddy Bridgewater. I know that stug was in Tahoe telling Tachuk that he's on the Mount Rushmore. And I don't think anybody's going to put Bridgewater on the Mount Rushmore. But in South Florida, athletes who have had a long and distinguished career that has given South Florida pride. I ask you this question locally, doesn't South Florida take more pride in Teddy Bridgewater than in Lamar Jackson?

[Greg Cody]

He's more Miami. He's seen as more local. Right. Lamar Jackson was Palm Beach.

[Dan Le Batard]

Right.

[Greg Cody]

Like Boca or. Yeah.

[Chris Cody]

Or anybody. Doesn't Teddy Bridgewater represent South Florida? When I think of greatest athletes in the history of South Florida. Okay, just cons goes in there somewhere. I don't know who the top four would be for you guys, but I'm talking about people who grew up here and then wrote, like Venus and Serena.

[Stugotz]

Williams at Class Act. There's a pretty wide gulf between the top tier and Teddy Bridgewater. He's not even Udonis Haslam level, because Udonis, when he was a pro, he did it here, too, in the same community. But that being said, what Teddy did with Northwestern last year while he was the face of that program leaving, remember, he had opportunities. He did try to ring chase a little bit there with the Detroit Lions, but he had suitors still in the NFL and he wanted to give back to his high school program. And I think over time, if he remains down here coaching in the local ranks, his legacy will only grow.

[Chris Cody]

How's this story going to get corrupted in coming days, though? Is someone going to say no, he was buying players. Like, how is this?

[Stugotz]

It's probably. I mean, it can be. That's why he's being suspended. This is a perk. Keep in mind, as of last year, in this state, high school athletes can receive nil money. The state legalized that. So there are more proper ways to make sure some of your athletes at your high school programs get financially compensated.

[Greg Cody]

Northwestern should build a statue of this guy, not suspend him.

[Chris Cody]

Yep.

[Greg Cody]

Promote him. Yes.

[Chris Cody]

Dawn Staley shouldn't get a statue, but.

[Greg Cody]

Teddy Bridgewater, It's a local statue. There are local statues and national statues.

[Chris Cody]

It's a different statue now. We want statues for the local ones.

[Greg Cody]

Teddy deserves a statue right in front of of the school.

[Chris Cody]

Okay, while this is obviously awesome that he's doing it for these kids, it. It is not fair to other schools. Right. That school can have somebody with a lot of money. What do they have a coach that's willing to coach for free and use his money to make the team better. I wish every school had a Teddy Bridgewater. I'm not anti what he's doing, but I do get the aspect of this is not. Like, we don't have this. Like, if I'm another school that doesn't have a former NFL quarterback as my.

[Stugotz]

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